Just got this in my email from Sig. Looks really interesting. Specs on weight and width are are the ballpark of G43 and Shield. I'm interested to see how this performs.
https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p365-...o-compact.html
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Just got this in my email from Sig. Looks really interesting. Specs on weight and width are are the ballpark of G43 and Shield. I'm interested to see how this performs.
https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p365-...o-compact.html
Not sure if this is a duplicate post, but I just saw this on another forum so I thought I'd share.
http://soldiersystems.net/2018/01/08...ig-sauer-p365/
I like that it's a smaller EDC w/ higher capacity, but I'm no expert so I'm hoping some folks here have experience with it and can compare it against a Glock 43 or S&W Shield.
https://www.northeastshooters.com/xe...58-jpg.217623/
We all just can't wait for that pistol to drop.
I do not like what he said here:
Unfortunately, with at least one round in every magazine on that first day, the pistol failed to completely go into battery. Initially, SIG employees told me I was limp wristing the pistol. As I was wearing gloves and it was very cold, I figured we’d see if that was actually the problem once we were inside on the second day. However, it turned out that all of the press, and a couple of SIG personnel shooting the pistol that day, experienced the same issue.
Do not like this part.
Unfortunately, with at least one round in every magazine on that first day, the pistol failed to completely go into battery. Initially, SIG employees told me I was limp wristing the pistol. As I was wearing gloves and it was very cold, I figured we’d see if that was actually the problem once we were inside on the second day. However, it turned out that all of the press, and a couple of SIG personnel shooting the pistol that day, experienced the same issue.
Looks pretty decent, however the article states that it had trouble going back into battery. I for one will no longer be a beta tester for any new sigs. Hopefully this one will be reliable. Sig at least know the first question anyone will ask will be the drop test.
https://i.imgur.com/aK7kif1.jpg
https://youtu.be/0fvwq6-nWiE
Still happy to have a 3953, I guess.
If it runs reliably, this ought to be a real winner for them. If one can get G26 capacity in G43 size package, with an easy to shoot trigger, it should sell really well. This is a popular market right now.
Does this look like it has the functional equivalent of a Gadget?
If not, can we expect a Sig P365 Gadget Soon™?
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From later in the article on Soldier Systems;
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The failure to go into battery issues went away. In fact, I had zero malfunctions and I fired three times as many rounds in the second day as the first. Based on this, I’d say that the lubricant used the first day was not appropriate for the environment. It’s an important issue which few consider until they are in that situation.
@CoolBreeze literally posted his thread (Sig P365 - Single Stack 9mm w/10+1 and 12+1) one minute before you posted this one...
11 rounds, seriously. Sometimes.
I don't know, I learned to shoot on a P228 many moons ago and used to really like the company and their products. But I am not a fan of the Cohen years and the direction he took the company and it's products. All the rainbow diamond plate and made in India and China stuff really soured me. All their repeated customer shafts to their customer over new products makes me very wary.
Not sure I'll ever buy another Sig. I would to see them back to their old glory and sincerely hope they get there but I am just not sure. With any new pistol like this, I am not willing to be a Sig beta tester when there are so many other good options on the market.
I don't know anything about Lucas gun oil, but coming from heavy earthmoving and over the road trucks, if you gave me anything Lucas made I might use it to start a fire. Their products are literally that bad. This is from seeing oil analysis where their stuff was used. The engineers at the lab said they would prefer to see equipment just ran low on lube/fluid rather than use the Lucas additives.
That's good to know. I've been happy with Slip so I always just set aside those Lucas packets. Guess I shouldn't be surprised Cohen's Sig being involved with a sub par company.
As far as the gun, it's very interesting and innovative. If a different company was to follow suit with something similar it would indeed get my attention, especially if they could do it hammer fired or gadget-friendly
Interesting. I'm not going to swap out my Shield, but they'll probably sell a bunch.
Looks promising. Maybe they cracked some magic magazine engineering code to get that capacity into a single-ish stack gun. Once version 1.2478-B is out I'll start paying it more serious mind.
It's a SIGmuh...
Actually, it sounded fairly positive to me. My wife has three G43's, and all of them have needed work in one way or another. Her original gave us btf after around 700 rounds and since there is no Apex extractor for it, I just bought OEM parts and replaced everything. It works fine now, but I bought at least two extra of every extractor system part for the next time it gives btf. We also installed a grip plug and night sights on all three, and two needed a $0.25 trigger job, while one has a Ghost connector, since even the new (-) connector didn't give a reasonable trigger pull.
We have tried the Vickers TD magazine extensions, and while we have yet to have any issues with them over hundreds of rounds, they do not give me a warm and fuzzy feeling. The last round is very hard to load, and the springs make strange noises when loading the last two rounds, but, again, in hundreds of rounds they have never been an issue. However, when she carries the G43, it is always loaded with the six round OEM magazine in an ankle holster, with two spare six rounders on the opposite ankle. She carries this way because she had cancer surgery that basically gutted her and left her with a "flap". Carrying anything larger than a G42 on a belt means cinching up the belt so tight as to be extremely uncomfortable for her. While I shoot the G43 fine, I simply cannot get the magazines to fall free, for no matter how I try, some part of my hand gets in the way. That and the mediocre triggers have not endeared it to me, and the G26 I tried didn't do anything for me that the G19 didn't also do, but better. Now the 19's have been replaced by something I shoot far better.
We've had two M&P Shields, but the first was ruined by a big name custom gunsmith (when we got it the first three shots at 25 yards were touching, when we got it back, it shot patterns!) and the second was not as accurate, and the trigger was pretty awful. They are both gone now.
We both tried a Walther PPS M2 and it ended up being sold. It gave me a blister on my trigger finger, the trigger pull was heavy and the sights were mediocre.
All personal things, since everyone is built different and has different medical histories, or are too young and healthy to realize they too are finite. but in the end she settled on the G43, for better or for worse. We have a ton of extra magazines and parts -- especially for the extractor. Now Sig comes along with a similarly sized pistol that needs nothing done to it (if the trigger is anything close to the P320), has a higher magazine capacity, and is ready to carry after testing it (the same testing we do for any new pistol.). I do not see any of this as a negative. As for the first day reliability, it was very cold and as soon as they changed the lubricant, the problem disappeared. To me that may be a clue. Then again, it may have an issue, but if no one tries these pistols for whatever personal reason, a potential game changer may never take off.
I have been looking for something smaller than my carry pistols, primarily to use as a BUG. This P365, at this point, without seeing or shooting it, certainly MAY fill that bill. Time will tell, but I cannot rule it out simply because it says Sig on the slide. We have three other Sigs that are terrific.
Somewhere in my post history is me saying glock could have had something legendary in the 43 if they would have just slightly increased the grip width and length to hold ten rounds in a flat base mag, I'm talking millimeters in grip circumference and maybe 2 centimeters of length, as it stands nobody in their right mind runs their 43 with the flat 6 round mag, at the very least you have a plus 1 pearce or plus 2 from some company, so the length is already there.
I need to run it like everyone else to see but I think sig may have moved the ball down the field with this thing, time will tell.
After the problems my agency had with our Sigs, I had with my own and the way the P320 situation was handled it won't be on my list to buy or recommend but I am interested in the way they achieved the capacity in that package size. I'm also glad Sig is adjusting the drop testing.
On a safety-critical standard like drop testing, it's a plaintiff attorney's dream for them to really not go back and test older models by the new standard. It's one thing when the older model is out of production, it's something else when they continue selling it unchanged (and reportedly not even tested) after the new standard is implemented. Just sayin'.
Just wait until the Nightmare Voodoo Xtreme version comes out and the first 2 recalls errr....... voluntary upgrades are in the rearview mirror.
Why is it that the industry has settled on such a short stock length?
Do thy not realize that it would be better to have a longer stock and drop the floorplate extension?
I hate "rat pistols".
That said, this should challenge Glock and S&W in the market.
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I haven't had any time hands on with this, so it's hard to draw conclusions. My initial thoughts are: The modular, serialized FCU is a good thing. I may be a rarity, but when I carry a G43, it's often with the flush, 6-round mag. It's an NPE gun for me, and I need it to be concealable. The p365 may be thinner than, say a G19, but it's the length of the grip that makes the biggest difference in concealability for me. That's one of several reasons I don't like the Shield--long grip, short barrel. Unless the gun is grip-small like a 43, I'll carry a G19 or a P07.
I've got to be honest here. No gun should have problems going into battery on the first day. They ship the guns with that stuff and encourage people to use it. I've also never once heard "It's the lube guys!!!!! That's why it isn't going into battery!!" CAmman. Something didn't fit right or there was a spring not keeping up with the cycle of operations somewhere.
I get people want to be excited for the concept. But it's already having issues out of the gate. This could be the kimber solo all over again lol. If they were using Crest tooth paste to lube the gun, then maybe. Also I get from a manufacturer's standpoint the smaller you go the harder it is to get the gun to run right. Everything happens faster and harder in those smaller, not to mention much lighter guns. I wonder if it shoots as well as the guns all of you chomping at the bit to get rid of do. I'd have to see it run, then see it in person, then shoot it before I purchased it. The rocky start doesn't bode well for me already.
I hear you on the P-07 and 19!
If these NPE pistols had a longer stock where my pinkie finger could be secure I'd probably carry it more.
I also hate having to lift my little finger or have it pinched to Hades during a fast reload attempt.
Add to the more difficult drawstroke... "I'm not feeling it, dawg." 🤣[emoji23]
I think Kahr has the size right (for me).
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For me an NPE gun needs to be really thin; the Kahr, shield, etc single stacks are better for that. Both this thing and the little single stacks are too big for my pockets; and I prefer to EDC service pistols. This thing doesn’t have a niche for me.
Ah, I don't carry in my pocket unless it's a J-frame. Even then it's in a soft holster.
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Maybe this will encourage Glock to finally make a G19 size single stack...
I can dream.
single stack 9 market is really tough right now with the Shield and the G43. What can this 365 do that those can't?
slightly off topic...
Sig has nearly reached the point of being bro-country status in pistols...seriously? distressed finishes are coming to pistols?
https://www.sigsauer.com/store/media...8-wtp-left.jpg
I think it's quite possible that they lubed all the pistols up with grease so they'd feel extra-smooth, and then did the launch on a really f'in cold day without anyone having the time to stop and ask how the grease would perform in the cold. Lots of people like grease on their carry gun so it stays where they put it for weeks at a time. Lots of people know not to use grease on a pistol in freezing weather. It's all about using the right product for the application.
Personally, I'm interested. If it's basically the size of a P938, smaller than my 3953, but holds 10 or 12 rounds, that's pretty cool. But I need more information about the nuts and bolts of the mechanism before I form any strong opinions.