See pages 4 through 11 of the PDF.
https://www.forfeiture.gov/pdf/ATF/O...tification.pdf
Not surprised that LAV had all that stuff but astonished that there's anything illegal about it.
Anyone got the inside scoop?
Okie John
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See pages 4 through 11 of the PDF.
https://www.forfeiture.gov/pdf/ATF/O...tification.pdf
Not surprised that LAV had all that stuff but astonished that there's anything illegal about it.
Anyone got the inside scoop?
Okie John
I just saw this online and was wondering the same.
Damn. That seizure list is well in to seven figures value wise. And it will probably cost him that much to fight it. If I were a betting man, I'd speculate a paperwork issue and the feds went for broke.
From what I can tell, if anything has been filed in the Western District of North Carolina, it is still sealed.
Man, this sucks on many levels…….
I want to know where I can get these $1000.00 machine guns?
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That’s bullshit. He had 3 MG42’s. That’s just being greedy.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC from a previous case, when the government seizes a transferable or pre-sample machine gun (for whatever reason), they don't try to value it as a transferable or pre-sample, they just value it as a post-sample no matter what the legal status is.
Also, some of those machine guns are obviously post-samples, e.g. ones made by BCM, Vltor, Stag, etc.
Jeez... looks like they took everything with a trigger and then some and apparently they are all machine guns, identified or not.
Put me on his jury. Please.
I think we will be seeing more of this. Screenshot this post.
That's one hell of a MG collection. Whatever went down, he'll probably never see those toys ever again.
I guess if if Stag Arms can run afoul of the ATF behind machine guns then anyone can.
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I feel so much safer already.
Looks like he surrendered his SOT. Question is why? Hopefully retirement...
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/904891996
Wow. Following…
I have zero additional info, but if Post Samples are in possession of a dealer that is going out of business or will no longer carry their license, there is a one time exception which allows the guns to be sold to another dealer without a law enforcement letter.
Why surrender the guns to ATF and leave all that money on the table if you can liquidate them ?
I wish LAV the best but in legal terms surrender does not = seizure.
What ever might be going on is likely still under seal of the court.
I heard over the grapevine that it was an "administrative seizure, no criminal charges".
My response when I got the word about the ATF raid. "I hope Larry's dog is okay".
Oh man, not even a year into this administration! Whoopee!
This is very sad and upsetting considering all else that Larry is going through with cancer.
It looks like they confiscated firearms and items that would not fall under a SOT/FFL. Maybe a lot of Larry's personally owned non NFA guns were listed on his SOT.
Here are some of them:
"Heckler and Koch MR 223 Rifle CAL:223
Heckler and Koch MR 308 Machinegun"
By the listing above, the Heckler and Koch MR 223 Rifle is a rifle. And Koch MR 308 is a semiauto rifle, not a machine gun.
"Bravo Company BCM4 Rifle CAL:556"--again by their definition it is a rifle.
And then there is "Tikka Unknown Rifle CAL:ZZ"--a bolt action rifle but they don't list the caliber which would be prominently displayed on the receiver.
I saw a lot of listings like this: "Unknown Unknown Machinegun CAL:ZZ SN:87053018"
If it is "Unknown Unknown" how do they know it is a machine gun?
There are other things that I noticed, but I will stop there.
We are all supposed to thank our overlords that they are keeping us safe and being good stewards of our tax dollars.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...PpypA&usqp=CAU
Nice to see nobody is jumping to conclusions, here.
If it gets you moving, then that's all that counts.
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It is hard to imagine Vickers letting all this go on without comment.
Maybe his lawyer says to clam up.