Real World Penetration? Critical Duty how often Real World does it fail to expand
Hello,
Yes, I have read all stickies here and other forums, read notes from Mas over the years etc. but I would like more reports from people on here that are very experienced, saw a lot, did a lot, investigated a lot etc.
Since there a tons of LE and retired LE on here, and I assume some Emergency room medical pros or EMTs...
I have general Real World penetration questions then more specific on critical duty and others jhps
In general, I'd like to know from those on here how often in the Real World on Bipeds divided into 4 categories if known
How often did they fail to penetrate deep enough to get to organs? How often did JHP's fail to expand or only deform a little bit?
1. .38 & Up JHPs or sjhps
2. .38 & Up FMJs or lead round nose/swc/wc
And then the same thing please in .380 and under?
3. Pocket JHPs
4. Pocket FMJs
Was it most typical to find bullets under the back layer of skin or in the back clothing, or dropped on the ground near by or in the ambulance or how often was it even less penetration and somewhere in the body and only the Xray machine knew where?
I have never been overly impressed with Critical Duty (the only calibers I think it is pretty good is in .45 & 10mm). I have lurked on here where it seemed at least a couple LE have mentioned OIS Pass throughs failure to expand which I would assume was mostly 135+p from full 4 1/2" duty guns. Then this guy got ambushed at a girls apartment and claims to have been shot up to 15 times with a .45 mag dump (was it an FN or some were double entrance and exits?). They said it was either Critical Duty or Defense bullets and I believe he said 10 failed to expand and were pass throughs (I watched this a few weeks ago) so I remembered what I read on here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vViw80If73k&t=
Overall am I correct that most have seen better real world good performance from Gold Dot or HST?
I am also curious about old stuff like did Hydrashoks often fail to expand if more than a few layers of clothing? Same 127+p+?
What about Golden Sabers across calibers, was jacket separation a real big deal or did they tend to work good anyways?
Does anyone other then the Sgt Gramins OIS, have much real world knowledge of poor performance from .45 & .40? I assume some .45s only partially expanded but still performed well (what did LAPD/Sheriff's/SIS use in .45 back in the day was it Hydrashoks or Golden Saber or Winchester I always wondered) and I would assume almost all .40s did expand good real world since they have good energy to start with. Similarly, it seemed that almost any 125 grain .357 Mag or Sig performed well.
Does anyone want to speak on how back in the day, unless major barriers first, 115+p+ like 9bple, Corbon, Ranger seemed to work or .357 125 gr sjhp?
How often was their major bone deflection changing paths drastically? And was that usually pocket pistol calibers or 9mm 115 grain either jhp or fmj? Contrarily, did everything 124 grain or heavier tend to have the momentum to stay on path even through bone?
Do bullets you see get 12-14" in Organic Gel usually get that far in the organic bipeds, or is it many times less than that and not straight bullet paths especially when hitting bones early on?
How many on here are comfortable in retired civilian life with .380, .32 acp, or .32 H&R since with either FMJ or good JHP/sjhp ammo choices they will get at least 10" of penetration? How many here are still of the .38 and Up belief?
I guess generically what calibers and/or bullet types did you see Good, Adequate, or Poor performance from regularly?
Thank you