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Rich
09-18-2013, 06:49 AM
Can a 38SPL safely shoot the 38S&W ?

And how about the short and long 38 Colt?


Thanks guys

rsa-otc
09-18-2013, 06:58 AM
Can a 38SPL safely shoot the 38S&W ?

And how about the short and long 38 Colt?


Thanks guys

38 S&W is not interchangeable with 38spl. Same can be said about both Colt cartridges.

Tamara
09-18-2013, 12:12 PM
Can a 38SPL safely shoot the 38S&W ?

And how about the short and long 38 Colt?

1) No. .38S&W will not even chamber in a .38 Spl.

2) To the best of my knowledge, .38 Long Colt will work in a .38 Spl, but the reverse is not true.

rsa-otc
09-18-2013, 12:23 PM
It is my understanding that both the Colt loadings have a bullet diameter of .361. Can you run that down a .358 barrel with out issues?

Tamara
09-18-2013, 12:42 PM
It is my understanding that both the Colt loadings have a bullet diameter of .361. Can you run that down a .358 barrel with out issues?

.38 Long Colt uses a 158gr .357" LRN bullet; the .38 Special was developed as a .mil round specifically so that the revolvers that fired it would be backward compatible with the older service cartridge, AFAIK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.38_Long_Colt

rsa-otc
09-18-2013, 01:19 PM
.38 Long Colt uses a 158gr .357" LRN bullet; the .38 Special was developed as a .mil round specifically so that the revolvers that fired it would be backward compatible with the older service cartridge, AFAIK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.38_Long_Colt

Tam interesting that we both went to the same source. LOL In the side bar they say the bullet diameter of the Colt loadings are .361.


I was responding to your post :"2) To the best of my knowledge, .38 Long Colt will work in a .38 Spl, but the reverse is not true."

Further pursuing the interwebs has the 38 Colt bullet diameter all over the place. But in the end they show that a standard pressure (Non +P) 38 special round may be fired in a good condition 38 long colt with so-so accuracy because of the different bore sizes. 38 Special bullet would be undersized in the 38 colt bore.

Tamara
09-18-2013, 02:00 PM
Cartridges Of The World listed a .357 projo, but I couldn't be arsed at the time to go up to the attic and mic one. I will when I get home from lunch. (I think the Short Colt used a heel-based bullet but the Long used a modern inside-lubed one, but I'm going from memory here.)

EDIT: Here might be an explanation for the confusion re. Bullet dia. Vs. bore dia. http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/defensive-ammunition-ballistics/115221-cartridge-discussion-38-long-colt.html

rsa-otc
09-18-2013, 02:02 PM
Cartridges Of The World listed a .357 projo, but I couldn't be arsed at the time to go up to the attic and mic one. I will when I get home from lunch. (I think the Short Colt used a heel-based bullet but the Long used a modern inside-lubed one, but I'm going from memory here.)

Tam leave it to you to have one in the closet. LOL

Probably the best way to get our answer is micing an actual bullet. :cool:

Rich
09-18-2013, 02:21 PM
Thanks gal and guy!

That's to bad !

rsa-otc
09-18-2013, 02:28 PM
EDIT: Here might be an explanation for the confusion re. Bullet dia. Vs. bore dia. http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/defensive-ammunition-ballistics/115221-cartridge-discussion-38-long-colt.html

Excellent find.

BN
09-18-2013, 03:06 PM
IPSC/USPSA/ICORE shooters are using hand loaded 38 Short and Long Colt in 38/357 revolvers because they reload faster.

An example: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=175007

jetfire
09-19-2013, 10:21 PM
IPSC/USPSA/ICORE shooters are using hand loaded 38 Short and Long Colt in 38/357 revolvers because they reload faster.

An example: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=175007

Interestingly, the load data for .38 Short Colt for revo is very similar to 9mm, which makes it perfect for ICORE.

Chuck Haggard
09-19-2013, 11:55 PM
Mag Tech also makes a .38 special short, I am guessing for the cowboy shooting folks.

Tamara
09-20-2013, 11:02 AM
FWIW, found the cartridges, can't find the kittening micrometer.

Chambers easily enough, though...

Rich
09-27-2013, 06:05 AM
Mag Tech also makes a .38 special short, I am guessing for the cowboy shooting folks.

Then that should be okay to use ? in a 38spl

jetfire
09-27-2013, 10:57 AM
Then that should be okay to use ? in a 38spl

Yes, I've used it in a couple of .38 Special revolvers. It's like shooting a .22.

Tamara
09-28-2013, 05:56 PM
n.b.: If you start shooting a bunch of lead .38 Short Colt in your PC627, you're going to want to scrub those chamber rings out real good before you go back to running .38 +P or .357 Magnum loads, or you will start having some extraction problems and (possibly) pressure issues.

jetfire
09-28-2013, 06:02 PM
n.b.: If you start shooting a bunch of lead .38 Short Colt in your PC627, you're going to want to scrub those chamber rings out real good before you go back to running .38 +P or .357 Magnum loads, or you will start having some extraction problems and (possibly) pressure issues.

Pfft, just shoot a cylinder of full-house .357 Magnum FMJ out of it. The internet told me that would get the leading out and be totally fine, and the internet would never lie to me.

Tamara
09-28-2013, 06:15 PM
...the internet would never lie to me.

Heh. :D

If you took the lies out of the internet, you could count the seconds between then and the "BOOM!" to find out how far away the nearest router was. ;)

Chuck Haggard
10-01-2013, 10:23 AM
Pfft, just shoot a cylinder of full-house .357 Magnum FMJ out of it. The internet told me that would get the leading out and be totally fine, and the internet would never lie to me.

You got it all wrong dude, that's how you clean the barrel.....




And to get totes serious now, that's how you bulge the barrel, seen that done on a Glock 17 and a S&W model 66

jetfire
10-01-2013, 10:52 AM
You got it all wrong dude, that's how you clean the barrel.....




And to get totes serious now, that's how you bulge the barrel, seen that done on a Glock 17 and a S&W model 66

Someone shot a .357 Magnum out of a Glock 17? ;-)

Seriously though people, don't mix and match your ammo.

Joe in PNG
10-01-2013, 02:43 PM
Someone shot a .357 Magnum out of a Glock 17? ;-)

Seriously though people, don't mix and match your ammo.

It is rather sad that I have no problem believing that some Bubba has tried just that, even if he needed a hammer to close the slide.

Chuck Haggard
10-01-2013, 02:46 PM
Not exactly. On the serious note, shooting jacketed ammo after a bunch of lead bullet ammo to "clean the lead out" doesn't work the way some people think it works.