Clinch Picks are here.

[SouthNarc]

Finally. Made in China but hey, we got the price of the product down to less than half of what a custom was costing that was made in the USA. Less than $100 for the knife to the end user. Trainers are available also. The sheaths could be better but they are servicable.

Order here.

http://www.ccdefense.com/index.php?categoryID=6

[Up1911Fan]

Wish the site had pic's.

[SouthNarc]

Somebody already posted some in the thread on TPI.

[YVK]

Good, ordered. I actually welcome a less expensive option. In some places of this world the border patrol likes going through luggage and confiscate anything they possibly can. Would be a shame to lose original CP that way.

[Up1911Fan]

Just ordered mine.

[Chuck Haggard]

I needs one of these....

[Up1911Fan]

I needs one of these....

I had the same feeling. I've been more than happy with my Izula in a DSG sheath, but I couldn't resist ordering the Clinch Pick and Trainer.

[ToddG]

Congrats, Craig! I know this has been a long time in the making and you've put a ton of effort into it.

But.....
http://narwhaler.com/original/bw/v/yoda-without-pics-this-thread-is-useless-BWVHSx.jpg

[RoyGBiv]

Pics of originals here.... http://www.themartialist.com/pecom/shivworks.htm

[Odin Bravo One]

Done and Done.

4 Days AFTER ordering a custom Ti/Carbon Fiber blade from Specialized Circumstances.

But why not? Knives are tools like guns. Right tool/right job.

[abu fitna]

Thanks, sir. I know this was no small effort to make happen. May the venture be profitable for you. I and many other folks are grateful for the emphasis on bringing in good gear - it is a hard market segment to find the right tool in.

[MEH]

What steel is in the production versions?

[LittleLebowski]

Wish I could carry a fixed blade in VA....

[LittleLebowski]

Wish I could carry a fixed blade in VA....

Someone enlightened me. Ordered.

[SouthNarc]

The steel is Sandvik 12C27.

Okay some pics.

So the customer gets a box, the knife, a sheath, and a Tek Lok for $95.00. The Tek Lok is not attached as it won't fit in the cool box when it's on the sheath.

[SouthNarc]

Here's the knife and then in the sheath with Tek Lok attached.

[Matt O]

Someone enlightened me. Ordered.

I'd be interested in hearing more on this as I too was under the impression that fixed blades were a no-go in VA.

[SouthNarc]

Okay here's what I'm not satisfied with. Here's a custom with carbon fiber handles and then the new China Pick, both in sheath. You can see how overmolded the sheath is particularly on the bottom part of the egg. You can still get it in hand but it doesn't sing as well as the custom coming out. It needs an "undercut". One of my students speaks fluent Mandarin so I'm actually gonna' have him get on the phone with Nanjiang and explain EXACTLY what the problem is with pics. The language barrier was been a huge issue and I probably should have been working through a Chinese speaker from the beginning.

[Matt O]

Okay here's what I'm not satisfied with. Here's a custom with carbon fiber handles and then the new China Pick, both in sheath. You can see how overmolded the sheath is particularly on the bottom part of the egg. You can still get it in hand but it doesn't sing as well as the custom coming out. It needs an "undercut". One of my students speaks fluent Mandarin so I'm actually gonna' have him get on the phone with Nanjiang and explain EXACTLY what the problem is with pics. The language barrier was been a huge issue and I probably should have been working through a Chinese speaker from the beginning.

SouthNarc, PM sent.

[SouthNarc]

Custom carbon fiber and production out of sheath. They're not as sharp as I'd like them to be but Ban Tang will regrind it with his edge geommetry for like $30 if you want to go that route. Fit and finish on the production model is superb and the company we're using does alot of work for both Spyderco and Buck. We were fortunate to get the in that we did with such a small (300 knives 300 trainers) run of product.

Overall though, it wasn't a bad first run. $95 for a production CP, $75 for a trainer, or get both for a package deal of $150. That's still less than half of what a custom CP was going for.

[ToddG]

The Tek Lok is not attached as it won't fit in the cool box when it's on the sheath.

Another business opportunity: for $19.95 plus shipping you could offer a service where you install the Tek Lok. :cool:

Not that it comes as a surprise to anyone who knows you, Craig, but I think it shows incredible integrity that you're so open about the little details you're not completely happy with. Most guys in this industry would be making excuses instead of improvements. Having said that, it seems to me more than capable of getting the actual job done, minutia aside, and it's an awesome option for folks who don't want to spend the $$$$$ on a custom or want a less expensive backup to their old-school CP.

[Totem Polar]

Congratulations on successfully bringing your design to market, with trainer, to boot. I will support the effort; ASAP.

[Chuck Haggard]

It's not that I didn't want a real one, I just have a rule about carrying knives that I will cry over if something happens. These look nice, Craig.

[JodyH]

Done and Done.

4 Days AFTER ordering a custom Ti/Carbon Fiber blade from Specialized Circumstances.

But why not? Knives are tools like guns. Right tool/right job.
Yup...
I really like my Special Circumstances Ti/CF Maleficus, but still jumped on a China-Pick + trainer + pop topper.
You just cannot have too many knives.
:cool:

[Byron]

I ordered a CP+Trainer combo as soon as CCDefense got these in stock. According to shipping information, mine should arrive tomorrow (fingers crossed).

While I recognize the issue with the overmolding of the sheath, and agree it should be addressed in future runs, I'm not personally worried about it. I often consider sheaths to be overmolded, and have plenty of experience cutting them down to my preferred size.

I know that the CP has evolved a bit over the last decade, so I'll be interested to compare this one against my original from '03 or '04. I realize I'll be comparing a Chinese production knife to a USA mid-tech/custom, but obviously the price point reflects that.

[TCinVA]

I sent my order in on the 31, (CP + Trainer) as well as my PayPal...but so far I haven't heard anything as far as shipping. I'm hoping mine just shows up in the mail and makes me happy.

Craig is a perfectionist, and I appreciate that. But I think I can remedy the sheath's deficiencies with a dremel. At least until I get my Dark Star for it. :D

I have the Moore BOB and the more time I've spent carrying this type of knife the more I've come to realize what a nice little surprise it is to have on your side. Good lord willing I'll be in Pittsburg in February so Craig can show me how to use the darn thing properly.

[Clyde from Carolina]

Done. Ordered a pick and a trainer. I already have a BoB ordered. Yeah, you can't have too many. :cool:

[Dropkick]

Someone enlightened me. Ordered.

Can you pass along the information and/or original source?

[joshs]

Can you pass along the information and/or original source?

The applicable statute is Va. Code 18.2-308, which provides:

"If any person carries about his person, hidden from common observation, (i) any pistol, revolver, or other weapon designed or intended to propel a missile of any kind by action of an explosion of any combustible material; (ii) any dirk, bowie knife, switchblade knife, ballistic knife, machete, razor, slingshot, spring stick, metal knucks, or blackjack; (iii) any flailing instrument consisting of two or more rigid parts connected in such a manner as to allow them to swing freely, which may be known as a nun chahka, nun chuck, nunchaku, shuriken, or fighting chain; (iv) any disc, of whatever configuration, having at least two points or pointed blades which is designed to be thrown or propelled and which may be known as a throwing star or oriental dart; or (v) any weapon of like kind as those enumerated in this subsection, he is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor."

The problem for most common knives that are not specifically enumerated in (ii), is that the Commonwealth in the past has used the "weapon of like kind" language against people carrying various forms of fixed blade knives. See, Gilliam v. Com., 642 S.E.2d 774, 779 (2007) for such an example.

In 2009, the Va. Supreme Court limited the "like kind" language by holding that just because the defendant carried a knife as a weapon, it did not mean that it was automatically one of "like kind" to those enumerated in 18.2-308. The case is Thompson v. Com., 673 S.E.2d 469, 474 (2009). It isn't clear how a court would rule on any given knife, which is one reason I would like to make the VA permit applicable to all of the enumerated weapons instead of just a firearm. The question is how "alike" is a given knife to one of the enumerated knives in (ii).

This is not legal advice, I am simply pointing out the relevant law. I am not expressing an opinion that a clinch pick is or is not a "weapon of like kind" under 18.2-308.


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[Odin Bravo One]

I sent my order in on the 31, (CP + Trainer) as well as my PayPal...but so far I haven't heard anything as far as shipping. I'm hoping mine just shows up in the mail and makes me happy.


Yea me too. I leave for my hunting trip soon and hoping it arrives before I go.

[Dropkick]

The applicable statute is Va. Code 18.2-308
This is not legal advice, I am simply pointing out the relevant law. I am not expressing an opinion that a clinch pick is or is not a "weapon of like kind" under 18.2-308.

Thanks! I have read the statute a few times before, but wasn't familiar with the cases. I always got hung up on the "hidden from common observation" part. (Un)fortunately it's still as clear as mud.

[joshs]

Thanks! I have read the statute a few times before, but wasn't familiar with the cases. I always got hung up on the "hidden from common observation" part. (Un)fortunately it's still as clear as mud.

"Hidden from common observation" basically means concealed, though an attempt to disguise the nature of a weapon would also be included within the term. If you want the full text of the cases and can't find it online, I can send the cases as a .pdf.

[Dropkick]

"Hidden from common observation" basically means concealed, though an attempt to disguise the nature of a weapon would also be included within the term. If you want the full text of the cases and can't find it online, I can send the cases as a .pdf.

I didn't mean I got "hung up" as I didn't understand what it mean, but more as: well there goes that idea.

[UNK]

[QUOTE=joshs;159124]The applicable statute is Va. Code 18.2-308, which provides:

"If any person carries about his person, hidden from common observation, (i) any pistol, revolver, or other weapon designed or intended to propel a missile of any kind by action of an explosion of any combustible material; (ii) any dirk, bowie knife, switchblade knife,ballistic knife,

This is so cool.
I had never heard of a ballistic knife. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_knife

[Byron]

I'm quite happy with my new Clinch Picks, and think they compare favorably to my older ones. Given the difference in cost, I'm impressed.

In particular, the fit and finish on the new handles is impeccable: the tang, scales, pins, and lanyard hole all blend perfectly smoothly.

While there are some definite trends over time (such as changes in handle thickness), I've also noticed plenty of individual variation in the Clinch Picks I've seen over the last decade. I only offer that caveat so that the below observations are not taken as gospel when comparing "old" and "new" Clinch Picks.

Click any picture to enlarge.


When I unsheathed my live China Pick for the first time, there was a fair bit of kydex dust to be found.
If you get one, I'd recommend blasting the sheath out with some compressed air (or water).
http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/web/DSC_0231.JPG (http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/DSC_0231.JPG)

Original Rinaldi Picks (top row) with new China Picks
http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/web/DSC_0232.JPG (http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/DSC_0232.JPG)

Another family shot. Note the overmolding of the sheaths as mentioned previously by Craig. They are still very
functional, but after years of owning an original, it's definitely weird to feel that extra material when grabbing
for the handle. I haven't done it yet, but I'll take a few minutes at some point this week to trim them down.
http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/web/DSC_0238.JPG (http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/DSC_0238.JPG)

I quite like the subdued logo on the China Pick
http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/web/DSC_0240.JPG (http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/DSC_0240.JPG)

The evolution of the Clinch Pick handle. My live Rinaldi Pick (left) dates back to the beginning ('03 or '04), and
has the thinnest handle. My old trainer (middle) was purchased later, by which time the CP handle was
starting to grow. I used to think this was the "big" version of the egg, but you can see that they have gotten even
thicker since.
http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/web/DSC_0243.JPG (http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/DSC_0243.JPG)

Another shot showing the different handle sizes. You can also see that my new trainer has a brighter handle than my old one.
http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/web/DSC_0245.JPG (http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/DSC_0245.JPG)

http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/web/DSC_0247.JPG (http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/DSC_0247.JPG)

Since the new trainers come in black kydex, rather than red, I decided to color it with an oil-based paint
pen. The paint adheres quite well due to the naturally rough texture of the kydex exterior. I didn't have
red, but hi-viz orange is just as good.
http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/web/DSC_0249.JPG (http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/DSC_0249.JPG)

If the anally retentive knife collecting Byron of 15 years ago was writing this, he might remark about the slightly
uneven grind lines where the edge begins (left). That Byron was silly. The new Byron is just including this
picture for anyone who might still be bothered by such a thing. If you can identify with the old me, I suggest
you purchase a custom CP for 2-3 times the cost
http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/web/DSC_0252.JPG (http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/DSC_0252.JPG)

Here's a better shot to show the oldest handle thickness versus the newest.
http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/web/DSC_0255.JPG (http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/DSC_0255.JPG)

[Byron]

And here's the difference between my trainers, which is quite less
(again, due to the fact that my Rinaldi trainer isn't as old as my live one)
http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/web/DSC_0256.JPG (http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/DSC_0256.JPG)

The hole pattern is different between my trainers, but that has been true for many of the Rinaldi trainers I handled as well.
I'm not sure I ever saw one "standard" pattern.
http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/web/DSC_0257.JPG (http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/DSC_0257.JPG)

http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/web/DSC_0258.JPG (http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/DSC_0258.JPG)

http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/web/DSC_0262.JPG (http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/DSC_0262.JPG)

The difference is very slight, but I'd say that my China trainer has a blunter tip, which is nice.
Hopefully everyone knows that metal trainers aren't suitable for full-force thrusts anyway.
http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/web/DSC_0259.JPG (http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/DSC_0259.JPG)

While the China pick isn't as sharp as a Ban Tang piece, it's still sharper than my original Rinaldi,
due to a slightly better bevel.
http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/web/DSC_0260.JPG (http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/DSC_0260.JPG)

My new China Pick also has a slightly more tapered spine.
http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/web/DSC_0263.JPG (http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/DSC_0263.JPG)

http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/web/DSC_0264.JPG (http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/DSC_0264.JPG)

http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/web/DSC_0266.JPG (http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/DSC_0266.JPG)

I notice that the new and old carry at slightly different heights/angles. I don't yet have an opinion on
this difference, but I may form one as I play with them more.
http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/web/DSC_0268.JPG (http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/DSC_0268.JPG)

[SeriousStudent]

Byron, thank you very much for the photography and the time. I'm definitely looking forward to receiving my set, and am encouraging a friend to also acquire a pair.

[joshs]

I went to the range today from my first practice session carrying the production Clinch Pick. I've had problems in the past with centerline carried knives interfering with closed front draws (AIWB) and reloads. The production CP sheath pulls the grip tightly against the belt, and I didn't experience any interference with my draws or reloads. I'm not sure if this is a function of the new sheath angle (as seen in Byron's photo above) or if all CP sheaths pull the knife in this well. Other than the undercutting of the sheath, which is easily fixed in about 20 seconds, the knife, trainer, and sheath are very well made, especially considering the price. I really like the extra wide handle scales.

[LittleLebowski]

Are any of you guys getting tracking numbers?

[YVK]

Are any of you guys getting tracking numbers?

So far, no.

[joshs]

I got a tracking number when my order shipped. My order number was 314. I'm guessing Will at CC Defense is significantly busier than normal, and I think he was waiting on an additional batch of CPs and trainers from ShivWorks (The first 100 he received sold out very quickly).

[Chuck Haggard]

So, I'm a dumb ass and didn't order before heading to OK last week, and now they be not in stock.

More coming I hope?

[SouthNarc]

So, I'm a dumb ass and didn't order before heading to OK last week, and now they be not in stock.

More coming I hope?

There's plenty of 'em dude.

[Chuck Haggard]

OK, I just checked the site and said not in stock. I'm cornfused, what did I miss ?

[SouthNarc]

OK, I just checked the site and said not in stock. I'm cornfused, what did I miss ?

200 more should be at CCDefense by Friday.

[Maple Syrup Actual]

At order number 4...something, I'm really looking forward to being one of the first Canadians (if not the first) to get his hands on a china pick.

I like Ban's stuff a lot and have been watching his knives for something like 5 years now but cash is sufficiently tight for me at the moment that I can't quite justify one this year. Thank God for the china pick!

Flawless, sub-moa fit and finish...all day long.

[Chuck Haggard]

Roger !

[LHS]

Nevermind, user error

[Chuck Haggard]

Ummm, dude, look up......



200 more should be at CCDefense by Friday.

[Byron]

Byron, thank you very much for the photography and the time.
My pleasure!

If anyone has additional requests for specific photos, don't hesitate to let me know.

[t1tan]

Anxiously awaiting my combo I ordered on the 31st, #349. Got some Kydex to play around with when they come in. I was reading the post over at TPI about them showing in stock while at work, and going through the order process got a structure fire and didn't get to finish ordering until the morning otherwise I'd probably have one in hand by now.

[LittleLebowski]

So, I'm a dumb ass and didn't order before heading to OK last week, and now they be not in stock.

More coming I hope?

If you do end up needing one for work and can't get one, I'll give you mine for what I paid.

[Chuck Haggard]

If you do end up needing one for work and can't get one, I'll give you mine for what I paid.

Thanks brother but I should be good.


More of an off-duty thing, strangely enough I am banned from carrying fixed blades at work, but they just unillegalized knives in KS, all of them, I can carry a Bowie knife if I want to, badge or no badge, concealed or not.

[ToddG]

I've had problems in the past with centerline carried knives interfering with closed front draws (AIWB) and reloads.

Ditto, especially with some new jeans and trousers I bought. Good to know that the Chinas might be a decent solution. Looks like I'll be ordering a set!

[ToddG]

They're back in stock at CC Defense (http://www.ccdefense.com/index.php?categoryID=1).

[Up1911Fan]

Ditto, especially with some new jeans and trousers I bought. Good to know that the Chinas might be a decent solution. Looks like I'll be ordering a set!

Me three, that was with the blade carried more horizontal. I think it was more from the non rounded butt of the Izula though. From the look of the egg shaped handle and grips on the China-Pick it look's like that may not be an issue.

[Crusader8207]

They're back in stock at CC Defense (http://www.ccdefense.com/index.php?categoryID=1).

Ordered a second set plus a top popper!!

[LHS]

Ordered a live blade and trainer.

[frankepc]

Can anyone offer any past experience carrying any version of the clinch pick on a duty belt. Pics would be great if you got em.

[JodyH]

Can anyone offer any past experience carrying any version of the clinch pick on a duty belt. Pics would be great if you got em.
I don't think I'd carry one front and center on a duty belt.
They are too easy for a bad guy to access.
During ECQC I used one person's own clinchpick on them during an evolution. I didn't even know they had one until their shirt rode up over it while we were entangled.
It was just as quick and easy for me to access as it was for them, and I got to it first.
Just something to think about.

[Chuck Haggard]

I don't think I'd carry one front and center on a duty belt.
They are too easy for a bad guy to access.
During ECQC I used one person's own clinchpick on them during an evolution. I didn't even know they had one until their shirt rode up over it while we were entangled.
It was just as quick and easy for me to access as it was for them, and I got to it first.
Just something to think about.

This is a very real issue with most of the guys carrying stuff like TDI knives on the gun belt, etc.


How did we end up with a ban on fixed blades at my job? Chief spotted one of the guys carrying his TDI visible on the gun belt, walked up to talk to him about it, during the conversation reached over and pulled the knife out rather easily. A few days later policy got changed.

Point is that weapon retention is important, and it doesn't just mean your gun.


BTW, two guys on my job have had pens yanked from their shit pockets and then got stabbed with them, one through the web of the thumb, one through the cheek. I teach a five minute block on how to avoid this, mainly buy clipping pens into the uniform pocket under the pocket flap and not over the flap in the pen slot.

[frankepc]

Well much like the TDI I was wondering if anyone has had any success carrying something like the clinch pick possibly concealed under the duty belt or possibly behind something like a handcuff case. I defenitlly see what your saying about retention issues that will obviously be a big concern. I've had some success carrying things like small push daggers and neck knives horizantally attached to my vest but typically this requires the shirt to be ripped open and can only be accessed with the right hand due to positioning of the buttons on a uniform shirt.

I was under the assumption that due to the forward carry position and downward angel of the draw with the pick that retention would be much less of an issue. I have no experience handling the clinch pick or with any of the ECQC course material but it seems to me that someone trying to reach for this particular set up would have a hard time doing it without looking ridiculously obvious.

[SouthNarc]

We have ALOT of guys running them behind a vertical double mag pouch or cuff case.

[frankepc]

We have ALOT of guys running them behind a vertical double mag pouch or cuff case.

Thanks for the response I just wanted to make sure that this set up wasn't intended exclusively for more civilian attire. I love the spyderco p'kal but for me it doesn't work with my uniform pockets or duty belt. But it deploys like a fixed blade in all my civilian clothes.

[Odin Bravo One]

As a cautionary note........

The card I used for this transaction has been compromised and is buying stuff all over the world. Prior to this, I had not used the card for any purchase for quite some time, which while no "smoking gun", is still more than a little damning. Enough so that I am posting this so other members can monitor their account(s) for unauthorized activity.

Let me clarify here.........

There is nothing that leads me to believe there is an issue with the vendor........but the issue is in the time frame where my purchase from this vendor is likely where the info got out. Hackers are pretty good about getting to your info, and it is not a reflection of the vendor, or their information security. I just want people to be aware that if they made a purchase, check your account, in the event there is a link.

At the end of the day, it is irrelevant what dude is/was buying with my card. The bank suspended the account when they couldn't reach me by phone, and any purchase that got through will be refunded.

[LittleLebowski]

As a cautionary note........

The card I used for this transaction has been compromised and is buying stuff all over the world. Prior to this, I had not used the card for any purchase for quite some time, which while no "smoking gun", is still more than a little damning. Enough so that I am posting this so other members can monitor their account(s) for unauthorized activity.





And yea, still no tracking number. The complete custom knife I was having built is arriving today. Built from scratch, and by hand. Ordered 4 days prior to the Pkal and trainer.

Thanks for the heads up, checked my card I used, and I'm fine. That doesn't sound like fun to deal with while hunting.

I have received no tracking information either.

[Chuck Haggard]

Sean, you talking SN's knives site being the CC issue, or somewhere else? The Pikal reference cornfused me.

[JM Campbell]

I thought the only payment option was by paypal, which is what I used.

[SouthNarc]

I'll look into this ASAP.







As a cautionary note........

The card I used for this transaction has been compromised and is buying stuff all over the world. Prior to this, I had not used the card for any purchase for quite some time, which while no "smoking gun", is still more than a little damning. Enough so that I am posting this so other members can monitor their account(s) for unauthorized activity.

Let me clarify here.........

There is nothing that leads me to believe there is an issue with the vendor........but the issue is in the time frame where my purchase from this vendor is likely where the info got out. Hackers are pretty good about getting to your info, and it is not a reflection of the vendor, or their information security. I just want people to be aware that if they made a purchase, check your account, in the event there is a link.

At the end of the day, it is irrelevant what dude is/was buying with my card. The bank suspended the account when they couldn't reach me by phone, and any purchase that got through will be refunded.

[Matt O]

I thought the only payment option was by paypal, which is what I used.

Same, that's the only option I saw.

[Maple Syrup Actual]

Same, that's the only option I saw.

Yep, same here.

Flawless, sub-moa fit and finish...all day long.

[LHS]

I thought the only payment option was by paypal, which is what I used.

I wondered about that myself. I put in my order, but it gave no option to pay, I just got an email saying they'd contact me ASAP. That was on Tuesday.

I don't generally do PayPal

[YVK]

I did have a card option and used it. My card so far is fine. No shipment updates.

[governor]

We have ALOT of guys running them behind a vertical double mag pouch or cuff case.

Do you have any pics you could post of this set up?

Thanks,
George

[Clyde from Carolina]

As a cautionary note........

The card I used for this transaction has been compromised and is buying stuff all over the world. Prior to this, I had not used the card for any purchase for quite some time, which while no "smoking gun", is still more than a little damning. Enough so that I am posting this so other members can monitor their account(s) for unauthorized activity.

Let me clarify here.........

There is nothing that leads me to believe there is an issue with the vendor........but the issue is in the time frame where my purchase from this vendor is likely where the info got out. Hackers are pretty good about getting to your info, and it is not a reflection of the vendor, or their information security. I just want people to be aware that if they made a purchase, check your account, in the event there is a link.

At the end of the day, it is irrelevant what dude is/was buying with my card. The bank suspended the account when they couldn't reach me by phone, and any purchase that got through will be refunded.

That's really weird. My old bank card was compromised too, which I found out while trying to buy a gun-related item online. (The bank had called me at home while I was at work and left a message- then I called them on my cell to find out why I couldn't use my card.)

Then a few days later I had to use a different payment for my China Pick order while I was waiting for the new card in the mail.

Similar deal with my old card: fraud people at bank found overseas purchases attempted. I'm sure not related incidents as it happened before my China pick order, but strange coincidence within a short period of time and with all gun-related stuff. Strange.

[LOKNLOD]

I've been getting hit lately too, but neither of the two cards was used for buying my CP. One card was used to buy stuff in Australia and Germany, the other was just in a list of "possibly compromised" numbers from ViSA. My bank and I caught the fraudulent charges at the same time, they called me while I was on hold with them on the other line. Talking to them, it sounds like a lot of folks got hit all at once, so it's possible there was some sort of widespread rash of issues, maybe something got hacked at the VISA level and not based on a single transaction?

[Totem Polar]

I'd be surprised if any if this was specifically related to the CP online checkout; probably just a mass hacking somewhere. That's happened to me several times, the best being when my card was declined at a restaurant that I go to all the time--as in, first name basis with the servers.
They're all acting as if to avoid embarrassing me, so I call the bank and get "oh yes, we shut off your card because someone used it to buy a one-way plane ticket from the Islamic part of the Phillippines to Yemen, paid in Thai bhat, and the transaction stuck out." No joke it did. My name's probably still on a list somewhere from that billing.

At any rate, I'd rather buy online or using paypal than handing my card to a restaurant or hotel worker in a place I don't know. JMHO.

[LittleLebowski]

Got my shipping info last night.

[JodyH]

Got my shipping info last night.
Ditto.
Order #434 placed on Sept. 3, processed on Sept. 5

[JM Campbell]

#320 shipped, arrives Wed....stoked to say the least.

[Up1911Fan]

Got my shipping notice this morning.

[Odin Bravo One]

it sounds like a lot of folks got hit all at once, so it's possible there was some sort of widespread rash of issues, maybe something got hacked at the VISA level and not based on a single transaction?

This appears to have been the case........I got an email from Visa and PayPal who are looking further into it, and there was hinting of a bigger issue that I am not sure they wanted to be more specific on.

Either way, ShivWorks was hot on the topic on their end, and handled everything quite promptly & professionally.

[JM Campbell]

This appears to have been the case........I got an email from Visa and PayPal who are looking further into it, and there was hinting of a bigger issue that I am not sure they wanted to be more specific on.

Either way, ShivWorks was hot on the topic on their end, and handled everything quite promptly & professionally.

I expect nothing less from a $500 cuff link wearing #2 shooting T-Rex.



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[Matt O]

Ditto.
Order #434 placed on Sept. 3, processed on Sept. 5

Hmm, I'm order #433 but no news yet. Will keep my eager eyes peeled.

[LittleLebowski]

I'm #432.

[EricP]

I also got my tracking number last night. My order number was #442.

[LHS]

Got ahold of Will today, took all of five minutes to clear up the issue and send me an invoice. Very pleasant chap to work with.

[TCinVA]

Got ahold of Will today, took all of five minutes to clear up the issue and send me an invoice. Very pleasant chap to work with.

I suppose I need to do the same...

[JM Campbell]

Holding NickA set hostage for some glock mags.....man I'm a a**

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[LHS]

I suppose I need to do the same...

FYI, I left a message at the number listed on ccdefense.com's website, and the call was returned within the hour.

[NickA]

Holding NickA set hostage for some glock mags.....man I'm a a**

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Now that's just wrong :cool:

[TCinVA]

FYI, I left a message at the number listed on ccdefense.com's website, and the call was returned within the hour.

Will got a hold of me and sorted everything out. I should have my chopstik in a couple of days.

[Clyde from Carolina]

I was order number 443 and mine showed up today. Very nice piece of kit, both the pick and the trainer. Very happy with this little pig sticker.

[Patroldog]

Just curios did you get a shipping notice prior to receiving your order? Ordered mine on 9/10 number 471 haven't heard anything since ordering and was just curious.

[JodyH]

I received mine today as well.
After cleaning up the sheaths with a Dremel sanding drum and polishing wheel and giving the Pick a few strokes on the Spyderco Sharpmaker everything's just about perfect.
The sheaths just need a little removed from the under-grip area so you can get a better grip on it and the tip needed some rounding off for comfort.

[JodyH]

Just curios did you get a shipping notice prior to receiving your order? Ordered mine on 9/10 number 471 haven't heard anything since ordering and was just curious.
Yes... shipping notice via PayPal.

[TCinVA]

Yes... shipping notice via PayPal.

FWIW, I still don't have a shipping notice, although Will said he was going to get the package out the next day after we chatted on the phone. From what I gather, demand has rather outstripped expectations and that's put a hell of a burden on the distribution infrastructure.

[Patroldog]

Thanks for the replies. I'll give it a few more days before I contact them I'm sure they are working hard to get all the orders out.

[YVK]

They're not as sharp as I'd like them to be but Ban Tang will regrind it with his edge geometry for like $30 if you want to go that route.

Does he know he might be contacted for this, or should I reference your name when emailing him?

[SouthNarc]

Does he know he might be contacted for this, or should I reference your name when emailing him?


He's been regrinding CPs for guys for a while so this shouldn't be an issue.

[Clyde from Carolina]

I received mine today as well.
After cleaning up the sheaths with a Dremel sanding drum and polishing wheel and giving the Pick a few strokes on the Spyderco Sharpmaker everything's just about perfect.
The sheaths just need a little removed from the under-grip area so you can get a better grip on it and the tip needed some rounding off for comfort.

If somebody feels ambitious...a tutorial or step-by-step explanation of this process would be appreciated by us shop-challenged individuals. I can track the rounding of the tip, but other stuff not so sure.

[LHS]

If somebody feels ambitious...a tutorial or step-by-step explanation of this process would be appreciated by us shop-challenged individuals. I can track the rounding of the tip, but other stuff not so sure.

Agreed.

[JodyH]

Nothing special, I just added some more undercut to allow for a deeper grip on the handle.
Just use a Dremel sanding drum to sand it down and then a buffing wheel or fine sandpaper to smooth it out.
Make sure you stop short of where the Kydex is "pinched" behind the blade so you still have plenty of retention.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p82/JodyHuggins/20130919_210819_zps6590ba66.jpg

[LittleLebowski]

I should be getting #432 today.

[Byron]

If somebody feels ambitious...a tutorial or step-by-step explanation of this process would be appreciated by us shop-challenged individuals. I can track the rounding of the tip, but other stuff not so sure.
Apologies I don't have time at the moment to put together a better tutorial. If this isn't sufficient, please let me know and I'll whip something better up this weekend.

Jody already hit the core of what needs to be done, so this is just added detail for anyone who might want it.

Old CP on left, new on right:

http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/wheretotrim.jpg

The area that I've highlighted red is the spot that will make the biggest difference, allowing you a better grip before drawing out of the sheath.

The areas that I've highlighted in orange aren't as "critical" to address, but will likely aid in comfort.

How you accomplish this just depends on what tools you have on hand. I used a Dremel.

First I started with a cut-off wheel to cut away the bulk. I kept the RPMs low, and I would periodically switch back and forth between the live sheath and the trainer sheath. This was my effort to avoid heating up the kydex too much (I'm sure I was overly cautious).

As Jody notes, remember not to cut too close to where the sheath is actually molded to the knife. That is especially true for the first step where you're just removing the bulk. Give yourself breathing room.

When that step was finished, I switched to a sanding drum for my Dremel. This is where I very carefully and slowly trimmed the sheath much closer than the last step, and much smoother. I used the same technique of switching back and forth between sheaths (again, I tend to be cautious).

After that, it was pretty much done, but just to be a bit OCD I took some sandpaper and finished some areas by hand.

I'm not a "shop guy" by any stretch of the imagination. The Dremel is about the most "heavy duty" tool I own (hell, I don't even own a vice).

I really took my time and spent around 20 minutes total to complete both sheaths. Someone with better tools and skills could do this in 5 minutes.

Jody's close-up is a great picture of what you're trying to accomplish.

[Clyde from Carolina]

Thanks for the additional info. and photos, guys. (And to you who sent the PM). Just what the doctor ordered.

[ToddG]

If Ban was smart, he'd offer a service of "customizing" the sheath for $10-15 at the same time he sharpens a China Pick.

For those keeping track, I'm #465 from 10-Sep and haven't received anything but an order confirmation yet.

[Hatchetman]

Just got mine. Handle disappears in my beefy hand, but the sheaths are more than serviceable. I'll likely play with awhile before I get out the Dremel tool.

The small Tec-Lok isn't working with my EDC belt, but I'm playing with a pull the dot belt loop that looks like it will work.

[LHS]

Many thanks to you and Jody. That's exactly what I needed. Now to borrow a Dremel and cross my fingers...


Apologies I don't have time at the moment to put together a better tutorial. If this isn't sufficient, please let me know and I'll whip something better up this weekend.

Jody already hit the core of what needs to be done, so this is just added detail for anyone who might want it.

Old CP on left, new on right:

http://byrong.com/ChinaPicks-20130908/wheretotrim.jpg

The area that I've highlighted red is the spot that will make the biggest difference, allowing you a better grip before drawing out of the sheath.

The areas that I've highlighted in orange aren't as "critical" to address, but will likely aid in comfort.

How you accomplish this just depends on what tools you have on hand. I used a Dremel.

First I started with a cut-off wheel to cut away the bulk. I kept the RPMs low, and I would periodically switch back and forth between the live sheath and the trainer sheath. This was my effort to avoid heating up the kydex too much (I'm sure I was overly cautious).

As Jody notes, remember not to cut too close to where the sheath is actually molded to the knife. That is especially true for the first step where you're just removing the bulk. Give yourself breathing room.

When that step was finished, I switched to a sanding drum for my Dremel. This is where I very carefully and slowly trimmed the sheath much closer than the last step, and much smoother. I used the same technique of switching back and forth between sheaths (again, I tend to be cautious).

After that, it was pretty much done, but just to be a bit OCD I took some sandpaper and finished some areas by hand.

I'm not a "shop guy" by any stretch of the imagination. The Dremel is about the most "heavy duty" tool I own (hell, I don't even own a vice).

I really took my time and spent around 20 minutes total to complete both sheaths. Someone with better tools and skills could do this in 5 minutes.

Jody's close-up is a great picture of what you're trying to accomplish.

[Dropkick]

I also started out with a cutting wheel, but found it awkward to work at some angles. So, I put on a fine grit sanding wheel, set the dremel down on the table and then carefully grinded the spots Byron mentioned down. It was a lot easier to move the sheath to the wheel than the other way around, kind of like a mini benchtop belt sander.

[Up1911Fan]

#421 arrived this morning.

[Up1911Fan]

Using a Blade-Tech 1.75" belt clip attachment.

1785

[wilco423]

The small Tec-Lok isn't working with my EDC belt, but I'm playing with a pull the dot belt loop that looks like it will work.
I had the same problem and the same solution. I undercut the sheath per the above posts which helped a lot (thanks!), but it sits a bit low with the current set up. I have a couple of Spyderco g-clips on the way to try out also.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/21/amu9avy9.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/21/y7asu8u6.jpg

[gringop]

Order 416 received today at 6:30 pm CDT. Thumb sliced at 6:45 pm. Honed on the Spyderco Triangle and razor strop and push cutting newsprint at 7:00. This is a wicked kittener of a knife.

Thanks Southnarc and ccdefense.

Gringop (Band aids and triple antibiotic)

[lightning fast]

I had the same problem and the same solution. I undercut the sheath per the above posts which helped a lot (thanks!), but it sits a bit low with the current set up. I have a couple of Spyderco g-clips on the way to try out also.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/21/amu9avy9.jpg[/MG]
[IMG]http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/21/y7asu8u6.jpg

Let us know if the G clip works. I'm liking the tek-lok style over a soft loop, but add me to the list of people that can't get it to fit on my EDC belt.

[Up1911Fan]

Let us know if the G clip works. I'm liking the tek-lok style over a soft loop, but add me to the list of people that can't get it to fit on my EDC belt.

Won't fit over my Atlas belt either. The Blade Tech clip seem's to be working well though.

[wilco423]

Won't fit over my Atlas belt either. The Blade Tech clip seem's to be working well though.
Ah crap. I don't suppose you can pass the belt through the g-clip slot instead of clipping it over, or is it still to thick? Should be nice for gym/running shorts, though. I'll have to see if I can get the tek loc style clips.

[t1tan]

Reshaped and trimmed my factory sheaths a bit, night time in my basement = bad lighting.

http://i543.photobucket.com/albums/gg456/t1tan19/Forums/IMG_0488_zps2ca9528e.jpg (http://s543.photobucket.com/user/t1tan19/media/Forums/IMG_0488_zps2ca9528e.jpg.html)

http://i543.photobucket.com/albums/gg456/t1tan19/Forums/IMG_0489_zpsedf900d8.jpg (http://s543.photobucket.com/user/t1tan19/media/Forums/IMG_0489_zpsedf900d8.jpg.html)

And gave making an IWB clip sheath another shot for when I'm wearing gym shorts, i.e. at the gym, or every second I'm not working. Secured the sheath by cutting slits in the soft hot kydex before molding the sheet, same idea as the Blade-Rigs sheaths.

http://i543.photobucket.com/albums/gg456/t1tan19/Forums/IMG_0487_zpsec2fdc36.jpg (http://s543.photobucket.com/user/t1tan19/media/Forums/IMG_0487_zpsec2fdc36.jpg.html)

http://i543.photobucket.com/albums/gg456/t1tan19/Forums/IMG_0485_zps22e1e5fb.jpg (http://s543.photobucket.com/user/t1tan19/media/Forums/IMG_0485_zps22e1e5fb.jpg.html)

http://i543.photobucket.com/albums/gg456/t1tan19/Forums/IMG_0484_zps463d780b.jpg (http://s543.photobucket.com/user/t1tan19/media/Forums/IMG_0484_zps463d780b.jpg.html)

[rathos]

When did you order? My order was placed Sept 13 #487 and I have gotten nothing but a order confirmation. I thought shipping would be much faster with a $15 s&h fee, so its a little hard to be patient. Its kinda like a kid at Christmas that knows what he is getting, but doesn't know when Christmas is...


#421 arrived this morning.

[Up1911Fan]

Ah crap. I don't suppose you can pass the belt through the g-clip slot instead of clipping it over, or is it still to thick? Should be nice for gym/running shorts, though. I'll have to see if I can get the tek loc style clips.

It's not a G-Clip but the Blade Tech version of it. I can thread or clip it. Still need to figure out exactly where I want the blade to ride on it and drill a couple new mounting holes.

[abu fitna]

When did you order? My order was placed Sept 13 #487 and I have gotten nothing but a order confirmation. I thought shipping would be much faster with a $15 s&h fee, so its a little hard to be patient. Its kinda like a kid at Christmas that knows what he is getting, but doesn't know when Christmas is...

order 445 (for both pick and trainer) ordered 5 Sept, shipped 15 Sept, arrived 19 September. Pretty good turn around I must say, and a good product. (I know having been waiting for months to get a chance to order in the first place makes it probably seem longer, but very glad these happened.

[JodyH]

The Tek-Lok was not going to work with my favorite Saddleback belt so I had to improvise, adapt and overcome with a soft loop and a pull the dot snap.
So far it's working great, I just need to hit the range and the mat to see how everything works under pressure.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p82/JodyHuggins/20130927_153715_zpsd9cc3d01.jpg

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p82/JodyHuggins/20130927_153143_zps63c2bcf7.jpg
Yes... I either need to gain 20# or buy a 2" shorter belt.

[SeriousStudent]

Clinch Pick and trainer arrived today, order number was 448.

I'll go with the strap and lift the dot snap, I have spares laying around.

And the blade is sharp. Worked perfectly on a lemon I needed to add to some Dr. Bombay Sapphire tonight. :cool:

[Rich@CCC]

I need to order one of these. I have been trying to get a local knife maker to make a custom P'Kal edge in blade for me but he is busy and I'm impatient! I wanted mine just a bit larger than the Clinch Pick.

BTW, for anyone that wants to customize their Kydex sheath, this Dremel bit (http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessories/Pages/ProductDetail.aspx?pid=115) is the best I have found for making small detail cuts and shaping. Keep the tool speed high and move it slowly. You sometimes get a bit of melt but it scrapes of easily and leaves a fairly burr free edge. It will only need minor polishing for a very smooth edge.

[Totem Polar]

Saddleback leather rocks.

[SouthNarc]

I need to order one of these. I have been trying to get a local knife maker to make a custom P'Kal edge in blade for me but he is busy and I'm impatient! I wanted mine just a bit larger than the Clinch Pick.

BTW, for anyone that wants to customize their Kydex sheath, this Dremel bit (http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessories/Pages/ProductDetail.aspx?pid=115) is the best I have found for making small detail cuts and shaping. Keep the tool speed high and move it slowly. You sometimes get a bit of melt but it scrapes of easily and leaves a fairly burr free edge. It will only need minor polishing for a very smooth edge.

If you want to crank out some bitchin' kydex sheaths that will blow everyone's mind I'll give you one and a trainer.

[ToddG]

If you want to crank out some bitchin' kydex sheaths that will blow everyone's mind I'll give you one and a trainer.

http://weknowgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/yes-that-is-awesome-gif.gif

[DI1]

Rich,
If you want a custom P'kal, check with Tom Halloran. He made me a great custom knife (PPD Model), not listed on his website.
http://halloranknives.com

[Rich@CCC]

If you want to crank out some bitchin' kydex sheaths that will blow everyone's mind I'll give you one and a trainer.

PM Sent.

[Clyde from Carolina]

Jody, that looks interesting. I know I need to do something to make the egg tuck in a little more and print less for me. Maybe something like that is the way to go for me also.

I would also like a pocket sheath for NPE use.

Love to see what Rich and SN can come up with. :-)

[NickA]

Thanks for the info Jody. I'm talking myself into a Saddleback belt for Christmas, that's definitely something to consider.

[nalesq]

Jody, that looks interesting. I know I need to do something to make the egg tuck in a little more and print less for me. Maybe something like that is the way to go for me also.

I had the same thought, and discovered that attaching a bit of foam to the underside of the sheath (between the sheath and one's body) close to the tip helps tuck the egg tuck in, significantly improving concealment for me. E.g.:

1834

1835

[Rich@CCC]

Here's a couple pics of the sheaths I made up for the Clinch Pick and Trainer.
The belt loop can be mounted horizontally, vertically or at a 45 deg. angle on either side between any two eyelets. I haven't actually done the math to figure out the possible configurations but there are more than a few possibilities.

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb258/luvmy40/holsters/IMG_7405_zps82bbf7ea.jpg (http://s206.photobucket.com/user/luvmy40/media/holsters/IMG_7405_zps82bbf7ea.jpg.html)

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb258/luvmy40/holsters/IMG_4809_zpsdf709bdc.jpg (http://s206.photobucket.com/user/luvmy40/media/holsters/IMG_4809_zpsdf709bdc.jpg.html)

I'm sending a couple of these out to SouthNarc tomorrow for review and critique.

[willowofwisp]

Rich, what will the lead times on those be? and pricing?

[Rich@CCC]

Let's wait and see if they get Craig's seal of approval. I have already found one issue with the sheath for my trainer that will be easily remedied. If I found an issue, someone with more training and experience with the knife may find others.

I carried the knife all day today at 2:00 with the grip on a 45 deg. angle below the belt and the sheath body inside the belt. The loop was on the second set of eyelets. It pulled in tight to the body, was comfortable, even when seated in the truck for several hours, easily gripped and drawn(not while seated).

[Cecil Burch]

I carried the knife all day today at 2:00 with the grip on a 45 deg. angle below the belt and the sheath body inside the belt. The loop was on the second set of eyelets. It pulled in tight to the body, was comfortable, even when seated in the truck for several hours, easily gripped and drawn(not while seated).


Just for clarification - are you saying you worked the draw standing, but did not test it sitting; or that you can't draw it very easily WHILE seated? If it is the latter, that will be a big no-go from Craig. Part of the CP set up as envisioned by him is not just the blade itself, but how it is carried, so it can be easily accessed from compromised positions. The blade MUST be able to be drawn from seated for it to fill the role it is intended for.

Or is that the issue that you are already working on?

[Rich@CCC]

In the position I was carrying it, the handle/grip was deep in the crease of the thigh/hip when seated. There is no way of getting a grip on it from that position when seated. My sheath or any other for that matter. rotate the angle of the belt loop 90 deg. and the grip is above the belt line and that problem is gone.

There are 36 possible configurations of the belt loop on the sheath. I'm sure that there will be a placement that will work for most people.

The issue I was speaking of was simply an oversight on my part. The holes in the trainer blade create far more retention than is needed. I did relieve the depressions from these holes and it appeared to be enough but I found that there was still enough detent to drastically effect the draw even though it was not visible at all. the solution is to fill the holes on the trainer I will be using to form the sheaths. As I said, an easy fix that almost got overlooked.

[ToddG]

Rich -- I think there is a communication gap here, is all. You said you're carrying it at 2 o'clock. You're right handed, correct? If so, you're carrying it way too far over toward your strong side. See, e.g.:

http://www.themartialist.com/images/shivworks31.jpg

lefty:
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee212/adchesney/VolundbeltwithknifeG26.jpg

[Rich@CCC]

I don't think it's a real communication issue. Cecil raised a valid point and he is correct in that the way I was wearing the Clinch Pick did not allow for access while seated.

I was carrying for a right hand edge in Pikal grip. My choice of placement and orientation was one that worked with my strong side holster placement and allowed both strong side and weak side access. It is obviously not the best choice, just one possibility that I tried first.

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb258/luvmy40/holsters/IMG_2237_zpsc14b158c.jpg (http://s206.photobucket.com/user/luvmy40/media/holsters/IMG_2237_zpsc14b158c.jpg.html)

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb258/luvmy40/holsters/IMG_8441_zpsb218c173.jpg (http://s206.photobucket.com/user/luvmy40/media/holsters/IMG_8441_zpsb218c173.jpg.html)

[Haraise]

Anyone carrying these so they're gripped above the belt instead?

[Rich@CCC]

That's going to be my next test. Same position but angled up at 45 deg.

[Haraise]

Awesome. If they can be grabbed above the belt it might replace my TSD GnS.

[Cecil Burch]

Rich - can you adjust the height of the sheath in relation to the belt attachment? I mean, can you move the sheath vertically up or down?

The reason I ask is that your pics show a common problem (and why I don't carry the CP under the belt loop). There is a finite amount of play you can get away with to have the blade accessible. I would prefer to have some extra concealability by hiding it under the belt, but to clear the handle, you then have to drop it too much as shown in your pics. Dropping it too much interferes while seated, as you found.

For myself, to have a clear grip while seated (or some other compromised position), the blade handle has to move up, as shown in Todd's pics.




I don't think it's a real communication issue. Cecil raised a valid point and he is correct in that the way I was wearing the Clinch Pick did not allow for access while seated.

I was carrying for a right hand edge in Pikal grip. My choice of placement and orientation was one that worked with my strong side holster placement and allowed both strong side and weak side access. It is obviously not the best choice, just one possibility that I tried first.

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb258/luvmy40/holsters/IMG_2237_zpsc14b158c.jpg (http://s206.photobucket.com/user/luvmy40/media/holsters/IMG_2237_zpsc14b158c.jpg.html)

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb258/luvmy40/holsters/IMG_8441_zpsb218c173.jpg (http://s206.photobucket.com/user/luvmy40/media/holsters/IMG_8441_zpsb218c173.jpg.html)

[Odin Bravo One]

I got my CP and trainer today.

I don't have any real issues with the sheath as it came. Yeah, there was some kydex transfer, but not enough to make me concerned about it. I can get the blade deployed without any problems, and I highly doubt the little scrapage that occurs is going to bother the dude that gets the blade buried in his throat.

I'm pretty happy with the package.

Thanks Craig.

It also inspired me to have another one custom built for low profile/low visibility carry.

I have got to stop with the knife purchases! Seriously! Already bought a Special Circumstances custom Xerxes, a Daniel Winkler custom is in production, and now a third custom blade in as many months is gonna get me in the dog house!

[Rich@CCC]

Rich - can you adjust the height of the sheath in relation to the belt attachment? I mean, can you move the sheath vertically up or down?

The reason I ask is that your pics show a common problem (and why I don't carry the CP under the belt loop). There is a finite amount of play you can get away with to have the blade accessible. I would prefer to have some extra concealability by hiding it under the belt, but to clear the handle, you then have to drop it too much as shown in your pics. Dropping it too much interferes while seated, as you found.

For myself, to have a clear grip while seated (or some other compromised position), the blade handle has to move up, as shown in Todd's pics.

If you go with the sheath outside the belt(in my pics the sheath is between the belt and my waist band), you can move the loop to the first set of eyelets and raise the handle significantly. So, Yes there is a good deal of adjust-ability. I could also make a different loop profile to suit specific requirements or make the loop with no mounting holes and you could drill your own where you want them.

I flipped the loop around and went with the grip angled up and the sheath outside the belt today. It works well for the way I want to carry the CP. I initially wanted everything pulled in as tight to the body as possible, thus my first trial run, but it is not as obtrusive as I thought it might be when worn up and out. Of course this is body type dependent. As it is obvious that I have plenty of concealing camouflage, take it for granted that my results may not be same as yours.

I also like to carry a small fixed blade SOB inside the belt. This set up on the CP would be perfect for that as well.

[Clyde from Carolina]

I Iike the idea of a sheath that pulls the egg in tighter to the body. I haven't had a chance to try the straps like Jody's rig but the regular sheath prints a bit more than I like when carried at ten or eleven o'clock.

[JodyH]

I wonder if you could use velcro on the inside of the belt and on the sheath? That would make for a low profile and infinite adjustment.
Hmmm... I may have to experiment.

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[Chuck Haggard]

I wonder if you could use velcro on the inside of the belt and on the sheath? That would make for a low profile and infinite adjustment.
Hmmm... I may have to experiment.

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One of the police duty under belts combined with some industrial stick on Velcro would be a cheap way to find out.

[Totem Polar]

Quick Q: The ccdefense site seems to be down: down while inventory is on the road with CD, or just down down?
TIA.

[SouthNarc]

Mmmmm...shouldn't be that way. I'll find out what's up.

[Totem Polar]

Awesome, thanks. Sorry to miss you while you're on the west coast, maybe next time. Currently working with a club to bring in Rory Miller 30th may, otherwise I'd be hounding you for an add on to Vancouver, 2014.

[TumblinDown]

Any other place to order?? www.ccdefense.com hasn't been available for at least a couple of days. I'd be interested in Shivworks REM DVDs, or other REM resources. TIA!

[Crews]

I'm ready to order one, CC defense website is down.

[Totem Polar]

Back up; order in.
:cool:
FWIW.

[JPate]

Anybody have info on when the website will be functional or the status of cc defense and the clinch picks? Looking to pic some up for Christmas gifts and the website has been down for some time.

[TCinVA]

Anybody have info on when the website will be functional or the status of cc defense and the clinch picks? Looking to pic some up for Christmas gifts and the website has been down for some time.

I ordered mine from the site a while ago and received it...so I would assume that if they still have inventory you can still buy.

[Dropkick]

Anybody have info on when the website will be functional or the status of cc defense and the clinch picks? Looking to pic some up for Christmas gifts and the website has been down for some time.

Posted on TPI:

Hi guys it's Will with CCdefense. I know my website is down but I will still be taking orders by email or by phone- will@ccdefense.com or 754-229-1950. Just to let you know that I have 15 clinch picks and some trainers. We also have top-poppers and DVDs.

So, JPate, whatca getting me for Christmas?

[JPate]

Ha, I knew someone would be hounding me for a Christmas gift, haha. By the way, love drop kick murphy's, good workout music.

Thanks for the replies. Will be ordering today.

[Rich@CCC]

I was waiting for some feedback from SouthNarc on the sheaths that I sent him. I'll assume that no news is good news and let you all know that I'll be putting them up on my website for orders after the new year.

I'm swamped right now trying to get things caught up for a Christmas break or I'd do it now.

BTW, I ended up with the Pick weak side, 45 deg grip up behind the belt. This position is working well for me.

[SouthNarc]

I was waiting for some feedback from SouthNarc on the sheaths that I sent him. I'll assume that no news is good news and let you all know that I'll be putting them up on my website for orders after the new year.

I'm swamped right now trying to get things caught up for a Christmas break or I'd do it now.

BTW, I ended up with the Pick weak side, 45 deg grip up behind the belt. This position is working well for me.

Dude I'm sorry I've just now got caught up. I'll bump you an email today.

[Rich@CCC]

No, problem. I know you're busy and figure that you would have let me know if you saw anything major that needed addressed.

It'll be a few weeks before I can take orders for the sheaths anyway so if you have any suggestions, fire away.

[frankepc]

Sorry if it's already come up but is there an ETA for the next batch of picks?

[SouthNarc]

Looking at mid May.

[Rich]

Finally. Made in China but hey, we got the price of the product down to less than half of what a custom was costing that was made in the USA. Less than $100 for the knife to the end user. Trainers are available also. The sheaths could be better but they are servicable.

Order here.

http://www.ccdefense.com/index.php?categoryID=6

Looks like a nice one. I like it.

Back in the old days the china/japan/Pakistan etc knives were trash!

Today its a different story. Funny how things can change.



I carry a single double stack magazine in a Wilderness Horizontal Mag Holder between 11-12:00 bullets down

So knife would have to go some place else.

[Rich@CCC]

Well, I haven't been able to make the time to add the sheaths to the web site but I'm ready to take orders for the Clinch Pick Sheaths.

PM me if you're interested.

[Rich@CCC]

I finally added the Sheaths to the website.

Accessories

VersaSheath

[Up1911Fan]

I have one of Rich's sheaths for a different knife and its top notch. Sending another blade out to him for another.

[abu fitna]

just went to send a link to recommend the China Pick to someone, and the site is down.

Hope it comes back for future orders. I've got mine (grin), but there are other folks that are looking or an option.

[SouthNarc]

We're working on YET ANOTHER vendor. Sorry for this. May end up with an Amazon store.

[JHC]

We're working on YET ANOTHER vendor. Sorry for this. May end up with an Amazon store.

None of my biz and all but this seems like a CRKT natural. Now I know nothing at all about how they license designs and it may not be worth the squeeze dealing with them. Best of luck, I know it will turn out ok.

[abu fitna]

We're working on YET ANOTHER vendor. Sorry for this. May end up with an Amazon store.

No worries. I know you have worked very hard to get these into the hands of folks that need them.

I have already pulled the one off my belt and handed it to someone that needed it more for a deployment once. Will likely do so again this time around.

But please keep up the fight, it makes a difference.

[SouthNarc]

Thanks buddy!

[Lester Polfus]

For what it is worth, I'd find an Amazon store very convient, 'specially since I need to re-order copies of REM 1&2

[orionz06]

We're working on YET ANOTHER vendor. Sorry for this. May end up with an Amazon store.

They better be Prime eligible!

[Totem Polar]

The terms at Amazon may not be the best, but you'll probably make it up in volume. Regardless, I'll pick another up to hand out from each import cycle as well. Keep on keeping on...

[JDM]

I'll likely buy two or three more when they become available again.

[dnittler]

Craig, I listened to your recent radio interview and was really impressed by the concepts you teach. I'm trying to make things like "taking corners wide" and parking away from the front of a store habits. Thank you for taking the time to do that.

I am very interested in adding a Clinch Pick to my EDC. Have you had any luck in lining up a vendor for the next production run? Do you think it can happen this year?

[SouthNarc]

Craig, I listened to your recent radio interview and was really impressed by the concepts you teach. I'm trying to make things like "taking corners wide" and parking away from the front of a store habits. Thank you for taking the time to do that.

I am very interested in adding a Clinch Pick to my EDC. Have you had any luck in lining up a vendor for the next production run? Do you think it can happen this year?

It will definitely happen this year as our next run of 400 knives is due late April early May, according to the Chinese. We'll have a vendor sorted n the next 6 weeks one way or another.

And thanks for the kind words!

[PT Doc]

We're working on YET ANOTHER vendor. Sorry for this. May end up with an Amazon store.

This is like number four, right? Maybe it's you, snowflake. :D

[Chuck Haggard]

I need one, and I have buds asking me where to buy them at. Just sayin...................

[Byron]

This is like number four, right? Maybe it's you, snowflake. :D

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I would think a store that allows back orders would be an excellent idea for you to gauge actual interest. It's one thing to say I want one and another to put your money down.

[BoppaBear]

Been looking for one.

[Yojimbo]

It will definitely happen this year as our next run of 400 knives is due late April early May, according to the Chinese. We'll have a vendor sorted n the next 6 weeks one way or another.

And thanks for the kind words!

Craig,

Is there a pre-order list I get on to get one of these?

Thanks!

[Haraise]

So the website is down, where would I get the more expensive 'made in America' option for this? Willing to pay for good steel (S30V, S35VN, S60V, etc)

[orionz06]

So the website is down, where would I get the more expensive 'made in America' option for this? Willing to pay for good steel (S30V, S35VN, S60V, etc)

Ban-Tang makes the custom version.
Knife nerd stats: .110 thick S35VN

Sharp enough to cut through the dreams of unborn children.

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[Up1911Fan]

Anyone else order from the TAD run?

[SamuelBLong]

Anyone else order from the TAD run?

Yep. Live blade and trainer expected Tuesday.

[LittleLebowski]

Anyone else seeing rust on the China Pick?

[Mike C]

LL, I don't have a china pick but I rusted the crap out of my PMoore Bob. How do the clinch picks handle corrosive @s$ sweat?

[JodyH]

Anyone else seeing rust on the China Pick?
Nope and I carry mine (and sweat on it) a lot.
My China Pick is from the first run a year or so ago though.

[joshs]

LL, I don't have a china pick but I rusted the crap out of my PMoore Bob. How do the clinch picks handle corrosive @s$ sweat?

The new clinch picks are 12C27, so they are very corrosion resistant. The BoB is O1, so it has to be taken care of like any simple carbon steel knife.

[Mike C]

Thanks joshs, I will continue to look for a clinch pick. I think that is going to be the ticket. It will be slightly more concealable for me because of the shortened grip length and I wouldn't have to stress about being in the heat and exercising with it.

[808sheriff]

Any word when a next run will be avail?

[SouthNarc]

Any word when a next run will be avail?


About 90 days out.

[TR675]

Quick digression - Guys who are using soft loops for IWB clinch pick carry - where are you getting them?

[SeriousStudent]

Quick digression - Guys who are using soft loops for IWB clinch pick carry - where are you getting them?

These from Blade-tech worked fine for me.

http://shop.blade-tech.com/loops-pair-p-135.html

I did have Dark Star Gear build me a red sheath for the trainer.

[TR675]

Perfect, thank you!

[LittleLebowski]

LL, I don't have a china pick but I rusted the crap out of my PMoore Bob. How do the clinch picks handle corrosive @s$ sweat?

Not sure if my sweat qualifies as corrosive but my CP definitely rusts easy. Cleaned off the rust with little effort and have a coat of Fireclean on there now.

[orionz06]

Stainless, not stainnever. I have found that my sweat can sometimes cause some surface corrosion spots too. Not sure if it is the metal or particulates that end up in the metal. This is quite common in car paint, I don't see why I wouldn't have some amount of exposure to iron particles in the air from riding bicycles, mountain bikes, motorcycles, household work, kydex dungeon work, and so on...

[BobLoblaw]

Stainless, not stainnever. I have found that my sweat can sometimes cause some surface corrosion spots too...

Yep, I wear a M&P 45c in a 5 Shot SME when I go hiking. But, comparing the rust on the rear roll pin vs the stainless slide is night and day. Also found that sweat is the arch enemy of ZDP-189.

[dookie1481]

Also found that sweat is the arch enemy of ZDP-189.

Yeah, I have wrecked a Spyderco Endura that I carried while running.

[big-poppa3]

Does anyone know if there are any differences between the TAD designs Clinch Pick and the CCDefense one?
Thanks!

[big-poppa3]

They are exactly the same. Just different production runs from the same manufacturer.

Awesome Thanks!!!

[JodyH]

Yeah, I have wrecked a Spyderco Endura that I carried while running.
Spyderco Pacific Salt with H1 steel is my preferred nasty, sweaty conditions knife.
I've treated mine like hell, including exposure to chlorine gas, water softener salt and battery acid with zero corrosion.

[Chuck Haggard]

Spyderco Pacific Salt with H1 steel is my preferred nasty, sweaty conditions knife.
I've treated mine like hell, including exposure to chlorine gas, water softener salt and battery acid with zero corrosion.

Concur, my experience has been the same.

[t1tan]

Concur, my experience has been the same.

Same, I've had mine in all sorts of water conditions and carried it for years at my previous fire department, no corrosion issues.

[Mike C]

Just picked mine up out of the mail box yesterday. I love it, definitely like the handle/grip shape better than my BoB. Also much shorter so it conceals better with my small frame. You really have to handle one to appreciate it. The Maleficus and the Xerxes also look pretty sweet. I will definitely keep a coat of oil on the blade now that I know I am toxic. Hey does anyone know if Ban Tang takes custom orders for the CP all the time or are they limited runs? If so whats the going rate for one with the S35VN steel as mentioned previously?

[SouthNarc]

Just picked mine up out of the mail box yesterday. I love it, definitely like the handle/grip shape better than my BoB. Also much shorter so it conceals better with my small frame. You really have to handle one to appreciate it. The Maleficus and the Xerxes also look pretty sweet. I will definitely keep a coat of oil on the blade now that I know I am toxic. Hey does anyone know if Ban Tang takes custom orders for the CP all the time or are they limited runs? If so whats the going rate for one with the S35VN steel as mentioned previously?


Not sure on how Ban is doing CP orders right now but if you want something that won't rust order a Ti CP from him.

[Mike C]

SN, you're the man thank you and will do. I look forward to getting some instruction from you in OCT.

[BoppaBear]

Anyone know when TAD will have more in stock? Missed again.

[SouthNarc]

Alright TAD has trainers and live blades NOW and is holding off for 24 hrs before releasing publicly. This is to give TPI and P-F members a head start ahead of the TAD junkies. I'd strongly suggest ordering NOW if you want either a live blade or trainer.

[JDM]

Another live blade ordered.

Thanks for the heads up, Craig.

[RoyGBiv]

Correct link? http://store.tripleaughtdesign.com/ShivWorks-Clinch-Pick

[PPGMD]

I've been carrying my Chinapick in a Darkstar Gear sheath for a couple of months now. For me it is the perfect carry knife for defensive purposes.

[EVP]

Man missed it again! They are not showing any left.

[Will_H]

I haven't seen more up on the site yet.

[Will_H]

Ordered and on the way! God bless button mashing F5!

[AaronB]

I just happened to browsing TAD's site today and the blade and trainer were in stock, needless to say they are one the way to me.

[BoppaBear]

Just picked up a blade and trainer!

[TheLightRoom]

I was about to order 2x Clinch Pick blade/trainer sets and an extra Clinch Pick from TAD, but they ran out whilst I was browsing the site!

Any idea in when a restock might take place?

My 'vintage' ShivWorks/SouthNarc collection is in need of the missing link... Thanks in advance.

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[Irelander]

Now thats a nice collection. What is the Kershaw blade?

[NickA]

http://www2.knifecenter.com/item/SPFB34GP/spyderco-fb34gp-reverse-fixed-satin-cts-bd1-blade-g10-handle-boltaron-sheath

More goodness from Southnarc, available soon. Basically a fixed blade Pikal.

[TheLightRoom]

http://www.donrearic.com/southerncomfort.html

Exactly! 2x Kershaw Talon 1421T SouthNarc "Southern Comfort" mods - both factory modded with factory supplied handle scales, one with factory supplied and drilled Ti scales, the other with factory supplied G10 scales. Both configured for tip up carry...
Also a first release ShivWorks x Rinaldi Disciple, and 2x first release ShivWorks x Spyderco 'Pikals' (before they labelled them the "P'kal").

Whilst it was 7-8 years ago, still remember how accommodating Kershaw was. Fantastic customer service! Also very happy to send them on Down Under!

[rca90gsx]

The CP, and the Spyderco P'kal are definitely the top two on my list for early this year. Had a CP in my cart last shipment as well, and it sold out while I was registering for the order :(

[351322]

What's the price on the clinch pick and trainer? I have seen a few pop up for sale on some forums but not sure what's a reasonable price to pay.

[orionz06]

What's the price on the clinch pick and trainer? I have seen a few pop up for sale on some forums but not sure what's a reasonable price to pay.

$95/75 with $20 off on the pair when bought together. (http://store.tripleaughtdesign.com/ShivWorks-Clinch-Pick)

[mdw1016]

Hey, guys. I'm having trouble getting in contact with CC Defense. I e-mailed ccdefense@gmail.com and called 786-426-2925 twice, leaving a voice message once. Does anyone have a better way to get in touch with him?

[SouthNarc]

Hey, guys. I'm having trouble getting in contact with CC Defense. I e-mailed ccdefense@gmail.com and called 786-426-2925 twice, leaving a voice message once. Does anyone have a better way to get in touch with him?

Let me find out what's up and I'll get him in touch with you.

[mdw1016]

Following up to share my positive interaction with Will from CC Defense. 32 minutes after my post I got a call from Will and he answered all my questions. Thanks, SouthNarc and Will!

[MD7305]

Any ETA for the next batch? I should kick myself in the ass for not getting a set last time around.

[SouthNarc]

Any ETA for the next batch? I should kick myself in the ass for not getting a set last time around.

China says end of April and they were within a week last run.

[MD7305]

China says end of April and they were within a week last run.

Thank you, sir.

[SouthNarc]

Thank you, sir.

No worries buddy!:)

[351322]

China says end of April and they were within a week last run.

Is the next batch still on schedule?

[SouthNarc]

Yup! They shipped from China 10 days ago. I'm hoping we have them in hand this week and then another week for us to inspect and ship to TAD.

[Irelander]

I couldn't wait for the next production shipment so I grabbed a Bravo unit from CC Defense. I am very pleased with it. Will was quick to answer my questions too. Good stuff.

[351322]

Yup! They shipped from China 10 days ago. I'm hoping we have them in hand this week and then another week for us to inspect and ship to TAD.

Good to hear.


I couldn't wait for the next production shipment so I grabbed a Bravo unit from CC Defense. I am very pleased with it. Will was quick to answer my questions too. Good stuff.

Forgot about the Bravo units, had to do a google search awhile back about the Bravo units to find out what they were as someone had referenced them a few pages ago. If anyone else doesn't know, CCDefense offers blem clinch picks.

[ssb]

Yup! They shipped from China 10 days ago. I'm hoping we have them in hand this week and then another week for us to inspect and ship to TAD.

Is that timeline still correct (will these be in stock next week)?

[SouthNarc]

We have them and are inspecting now. We should shipping them to TAD by the end of this week.

[Hot Sauce]

I've been checking and re-checking the TAD site over the past couple of weeks and didn't see them have these in stock at any point. What happened? Did they ever actually go on sale?

[SouthNarc]

We're late on getting them to TAD. Totally our fault. Should be two weeks tops.

[Hot Sauce]

Got it, standing by. Anxiously :)

[ssb]

Any update on these?

[23JAZ]

Any update on these?

I've been checking TAD everyday. Nothing yet, unless I missed them and don't know it. But I'm also on the mailing list and never received an email update.

[SouthNarc]

They haven't been posted with TAD yet. Having some issues so bear with us. Thanks guys!

[MGWS]

They haven't been posted with TAD yet. Having some issues so bear with us. Thanks guys!

Did I miss this batch?

[SouthNarc]

Nope. TAD has them now and they should be on the website shortly. The entire crew was at the Blade show last week so give them a bit to get caught up.

[ssb]

Nope. TAD has them now and they should be on the website shortly. The entire crew was at the Blade show last week so give them a bit to get caught up.

I'll definitely be picking up a trainer. Walked into a lightly used package for a CP with the original sheath + hardware and a DSG belt sheath. The thing carries great, both on a Pocket Shield and on the belt.

Do the trainers fit into the same sheaths, or do I need to pick up a second belt sheath for the trainer?

[Cecil Burch]

Do the trainers fit into the same sheaths, or do I need to pick up a second belt sheath for the trainer?


The trainers tend to be thicker and need it's own sheath. Plus it is a good idea to have a separate sheath in a different color anyway to help differentiate between it and the real thing.