What other training?

[Chemsoldier]

If this replicates other posts on here I apologize, I dont peruse the forum much...

What other training would you all recommend other than firearms training? I was a reserve LEO for a couple of years and I remember talking with some of the trainers in the department and they pointed out that as much as they loved firearms training statistically more LEO lives could likely be saved through vehicle operator training and that is high intensity emergency vehicle operators training but basic "dont get in an accident" training.

First Aid wise I am an Eagle Scout and in the military (Combat Life Saver and TCCC trained),but I realized after 10 years of marriage that my wife didnt know the Heimlich maneuver. It rattled me a bit, she likes to shoot and has taken more than one two day pistol class and a bunch of Appleseeds but I completely missed that. Since then I have gotten her into the Red Cross' Adult and Pediatric CPR/AED Course and Basic First Aid. Ultimately I would like to get her into a TCCC type course as well.

The next project will be a course from a company called Master Drive ( http://masterdrive.com/ ) for both the wife and myself that is not a high speed combat driving course but is more like a driver's ed / driver's improvement course but with HEAVY actual driving component. You go out with the instructor on a closed course and they put you in skids and such over and over to really work that and other fundamental dont get in an accident skills.

So what else? Hand to hand? Counter-surveillance? Good Force on Force Courses?

[Chuck Haggard]

Empty hand and/or knife work, something like ECQC and AMIS, etc.

Lots of people can shoot well (or so they think at least), but applying tactics not so much. The best analogy I have seen or heard so far is from Ken Good in his "Got a Second?" lecture that he used to use in his low-light instructor classes when he was running Sure-Fire Institute and Strategos, his fighter pilot analogy; People spend a lot of time on the portion dedicated to launching missiles, but very little on the take-off and dogfighting tactics it takes to be able to line up said missile shot.

http://www.strategosintl.com/pdfs/OODA.pdf

[nycnoob]

I have taken several Driving courses and counter surveillance / executive protection courses from VDI.
The Counter Surveillance courses have a civilian bent to them which they claim is different then most of the other schools.
They are the goto school for many large companies "security driver" program.

I post my reviews of them over here:

http://www.totalprotectioninteractive.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14630

The forum is a free forum but you need to be a member to read/post.
Many people from here (PF) also post over there (TPI).
I keep my posting here to be gun related.

[nycnoob]

Claude Werner teaches Snub and also has a counter surveillance class/lecture (not advertised)

http://www.dryfire-practice.com/


Michael de Bethencourt also has a snub specific class but it is totally different than Claude's
he is trying to branch out into pocket pistols and he used to be famous for his unusual CQB knife course

http://snubtraining.com/

[ToddG]

... famous for his unusual CQB knife course ...

First time I'd ever heard the word "taint" used. True story.

[nycnoob]

If you are interested in Knife courses there are several "theories of use" which are popular
the http://www.totalprotectioninteractive.com/ TPI people are big on a boxing BJJ centric curriculum


I had a bit of a FMA bent before I started firearms training.


I recommended Jim Keating's videos and instruction a

http://www.jamesakeating.com/C1.html

It is a little known fact that his DrawPoint method
(now more famous in some areas of the world then Pikiti Tersia which it was derived from)
was actually inspired by a class he took with John Farnam


I am also a big fan of Kelly Worden. His leg traps and body movement are like nothing I have ever seen before.
I have meet several special forces people though his classes so there are some professionals who think he is "good to go"
for CQB issues (these people are not a fan of BJJ so they would not agree with the TPI crowd).

http://www.kellyworden.com/

Water and Steel is a GREAT bargain, Food and lodging is included in the price, bring a sleeping bag and you are all set!

[nycnoob]

http://massadayoobgroup.com/

Massad Ayoob's
Armed Citizen’s Rules of Engagement

Lethal force and the law class.