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ToddG
02-23-2011, 02:44 AM
RULES

* Shooter must use a single pistol (distinct brand, model, caliber, serial number) for the entire 2,000 rounds. Pistol should be properly cleaned and lubricated before the test begins. Any brand pistol, stock or modified (please list all modifications), any caliber.

* Shooter can take as long as necessary (days, weeks, months) to fire 2,000 rounds through the pistol.

* The pistol cannot be cleaned, lubricated, or maintained in any way during the entire 2,000 round test period.

* Shooter can use any type of ammunition: factory, remanufactured, or hand loaded. Shooter can use as many different brands, styles, bullet weights, etc. as necessary as long as all ammunition meets the SAAMI specifications for the caliber of the gun.

* Shooter must report ALL stoppages, malfunctions, and/or parts breakages that occur during the 2,000 round test regardless of cause. This includes any such problems that are deemed "shooter-induced" or "ammunition-induced."

* If a stoppage, malfunction, or breakage may be ammunition-induced, the shooter can follow this procedure (but must still report the actual results with the original test pistol): if the round still has a bullet, powder, and undetonated primer the shooter can attempt to fire the round in a freshly lubricated and cleaned pistol of different brand than the test gun. If the round fails to fire in this second pistol which is clean, lubricated, and not of the same brand, then although the original stoppage or malfunction must be reported it will not count against achieving the "2,000 Round Challenge" success criteria.

DEFINITIONS

Stoppage: Any failure of the pistol to go through its entire cycle of operation. This could include a failure to feed, fire, extract, or eject. A problem qualifies as a Stoppage if and only if the shooter is capable of fixing the problem without the use of any tools, without disassembling the gun in any way (magazine can be removed), and the pistol is in firing condition in less than 30 seconds. For example, a stovepipe or failure of the slide to go fully into battery would be Stoppages. Added 21-Jan-08: Failure to lock back after the last round in a magazine is fired, even if the shooter believes it was caused by an improper grip, is considered a stoppage.

Malfunction: Any failure of the pistol to go through its entire cycle of operation and which requires the use of tools, disassembly of any part of the pistol, and/or takes more than 30 seconds to resolve, but does not require any parts replacement. For example, a dislodged spring or a front sight that falls off the gun would be Malfunctions.

Breakage: Any failure of the pistol to go through its entire cycle of operation and which requires parts replacement (springs, pins, locking block, anything) to resolve. For example, a broken spring or chipped extractor would be Breakages.

A pistol must fire 2,000 consecutive rounds without any cleaning or maintenance or additional lubrication without any stoppages, malfunctions or breakages to qualify as having met the "2,000 Round Challenge."

TCinVA
02-25-2011, 12:26 PM
Here's the sort of format that should be used when reporting results in the 2,000 round challenge:

Pistol: Smith & Wesson M&P 9
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 115 grain Blazer Brass, 115 grain Winchester White Box, American Eagle (115 grain)
Dates of testing: 7/20-7/22
Total rounds fired: 2,470
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
The M&P used was my primary carry piece at the time. It had several thousand relatively trouble free rounds down the pipe before the three day USTC class where I shot the challenge.



Pistol: H&K P30 LEM
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: 115 grain Blazer Brass, 115 grain Federal Champion, 115 grain Winchester White Box, 124 grain +P Speer Gold Dot
Dates of testing: Sept. 1, 2010 to October 28th, 2010
Total rounds fired: 2,393
Stoppages: zero
Malfunctions: zero
Breakages: zero

Comments:
The pistol was purchased brand new in August. The accumulated round count results from taking the pistol through four classes, day 1 of Todd Green's Aim Fast, Hit Fast, the Appendix Carry Workshop, a 4 hour session on the range with Tom Givens, and the 3 day Vickers Advanced Combat Handgun class, in addition to two range trips outside the listed classes.

gtmtnbiker98
02-25-2011, 12:39 PM
Pistol: HK P30L
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: PMC Bronze, limited reloads
Dates of Testing: 2010 January 31 to 2010 March 28
Total Rounds Fired: 2,463

Stoppages: zero
Malfunctions: zero
Breakages: zero

Comments:
Notes: pistol was purchased June 30th, 2009 and prior to the test, had 13,612 rounds through it with zero stoppages, malfunctions, or breakages. The pistol is actually up to 2,720; however, during an AFHF class, the gun failed to lock back on an empty mag twice and this was due to my thumb riding the slide stop during a drill. This occurred at 2,463 rounds. Since this is a 2,000 round test, I thought that it would be more accurate to note the actual rounds exceeding 2,000 rounds without any stoppages, malfunctions, or breakages.

JV_
02-25-2011, 12:50 PM
Pistol: Smith & Wesson M&P 9
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 115g CCI Blazer
Dates of testing: 10/10/10 - 1/23/2011
Total rounds fired: 2140
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

ToddG
02-25-2011, 12:55 PM
Pistol: SIG P226R "Navy"

Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: American Eagle 124gr TMJ Lead-Free; American Eagle 147gr TMJ Lead-Free; Independence Ammo 124gr FMJ
Dates of testing: 3-Jan-07 to 26-Jan-07
Total rounds fired: 2,183

Stoppages: zero
Malfunctions: zero
Breakages: zero

Notes:
Pistol had 22,140 rounds through it before the test began. This pistol had previously suffered one squib round and numerous problems related to Remington UMC "Leadless" ammunition failing to fire and severely fouling the gun. Pistol was detailed stripped, had all springs replaced, and properly lubricated before the test.

After the 2,183 rounds reported above, the gun fired another 1,182 rounds (total: 3,365) before I decided to lubricate it because the slide felt a little sluggish when I loaded a magazine and chambered the first round.


Pistol: SIG P229R SRT

Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: American Eagle 124gr TMJ Lead-Free; Speer 124gr +p Gold Dot; American Eagle 115gr FMJ
Dates of testing: 29-Mar-07 to 06-Apr-07
Total rounds fired: 2,409

Stoppages: zero
Malfunctions: zero
Breakages: zero

Notes:
Pistol was NIB when test began.



Pistol: Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm (full size, no mag safety or lockout)

Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: American Eagle 124gr TMJ Lead-Free; American Eagle 124gr FMJ; Speed Gold Dot 124gr +p; Speer Gold Dot 115 +p+
Dates of testing: 21-Sep-07 & 22-Sep-07
Total rounds fired: 2,000

Stoppages: zero
Malfunctions: zero
Breakages: zero

Notes: pistol had fired 550 rounds prior to test; one feed malfunction was recorded during this initial period. Pistol was field stripped and cleaned per owner's manual instructions and lubricated with Mili-Tec prior to 2,000 round test. No stoppages of any kind were experienced during the 2,000 rounds. Testing conducted during four shooting sessions over two days.



Pistol: Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm (full size, mag safety, no lockout)

Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: CCI Blazer (aluminum) 115gr; Federal 124gr +p HST
Dates of testing: 25-April-08 through 2-May-08
Total rounds fired: 2,299

Stoppages: zero
Malfunctions: zero
Breakages: zero

Notes: pistol had 519 rounds through it at time test began. There had been no(*) stoppages of any kind prior to the test beginning. Pistol was only lightly oiled per M&P manual before testing.

(*) Upon receiving the pistol, I immediately brought it to an armorer for a trigger change. Armorer forgot to re-install the ejector when putting the gun back together. In the first 50 rounds loaded in the gun, 20 resulted in failures to eject. I am not counting that first 50 rounds in the gun's "life cycle" for this reason. To the M&P's credit, it ejected 2/3 of the time without an ejector installed!


Pistol: Heckler & Koch P30 V4

Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: American Eagle 115gr; Atlanta Arms & Ammo 115gr TCJ; CCI Blazer 115gr; Federal 124gr +p HST (1)
Dates of testing: 2-Jul-09 through 8-Jul-09
Total rounds fired: 2,001

Stoppages: zero
Malfunctions: zero
Breakages: zero

Notes: This pistol had just shy of 10,000 rounds through it before the test began. Intermittent extraction problems had cropped up repeatedly and precluded the ability to run the gun for 2,000 rounds without maintenance. A trip back to HK-USA appears to have solved the trouble. Upon receiving the gun back from their gunsmith, the pistol was moderately cleaned, lubricated with Militec, and then proceeded to fire 2,001 rounds without any trouble over the course of three range sessions: 1,000 rounds, 300 rounds, and finally 701 rounds.

vmi-mo
02-25-2011, 03:54 PM
•Pistol: Glock 19 Ext slide release, Dawson FO ADJ sights, 3.5 ghost connector, covered in grip tape
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: CCI Blazer (aluminum) 115gr;Winchester 147gr Rangers, Federal 124gr Nato shit, Wolf 115gr, Brown Bear 115gr
Dates of testing: Jan, 01 2011- Feb 20, 2011
Total rounds fired: 2,180

Stoppages: zero
Malfunctions: zero
Breakages: zero

•Pistol: Glock 17 Ext slide release, Warren FO sights, 3.5 ghost connector, covered in grip tape
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: CCI Blazer (aluminum) 115gr;Winchester 147gr Rangers, Federal 124gr Nato shit, Wolf 115gr, Brown Bear 115gr
Dates of testing: Jan, 01 2011- Feb ,05 2011
Total rounds fired: 2,300

Stoppages: zero
Malfunctions: zero
Breakages: zero

PJ

MichaelD
02-25-2011, 08:50 PM
Pistol: Smith & Wesson M&P9c
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition Breakdown:
1,268 Winchester White Box 115gr FMJ
350 Remington UMC 115gr FMJ
200 Blazer Aluminum 115gr FMJ
150 Federal Champion 115gr FMJ
55 Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P
1 CCI 9mm Shotshell
Dates of testing: April 24, 2009 to November 21, 2009
Total rounds fired: 2,024

Stoppages: zero
Malfunctions: zero
Breakages: zero

Notes: The pistol had fired 391 rounds prior to test; no malfunctions or stoppages occurred during that period. The pistol was field stripped and cleaned per owner's manual instructions and lubricated with Militec-1 on the barrel and Valvoline High Mileage 20w-50 on all other contact points prior to the beginning of the test. No stoppages of any kind were experienced during the 2,024 rounds; even the shotshell cycled the action correctly and ejected without a problem.


Pistol: Smith & Wesson M&P9c
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition Breakdown:
818 Winchester White Box 115gr FMJ
499 Remington UMC 115gr FMJ
351 Blazer Brass 115gr FMJ
250 Federal Champion 115gr FMJ
190 reloads (115gr FMJ on 6.1gr Power Pistol with Federal match primer - my first ever batch)
32 Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P
3 Herter Steelcase 115gr FMJ
Dates of testing: January 9, 2010 to May 1, 2010
Total rounds fired: 2,143

Stoppages: zero
Malfunctions: zero
Breakages: zero

Notes: This was the pistol's second time through the 2000-round challenge. The pistol had fired 2969 rounds prior to test; no malfunctions or stoppages occurred during that period, although 2 strikers had broken during dryfire practice (one preceding the original test and one after). The pistol was field stripped and cleaned per owner's manual instructions and lubricated with Militec-1 on the barrel and Valvoline High Mileage 20w-50 on all other contact points prior to the beginning of the test. Nothing but complete, utterly boring reliability through the test.

vaspence
02-25-2011, 09:16 PM
Pistol: Glock Gen 4 19
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Winchester White Box 115, Federal 115, Wolf 115, Tula 115, Fed Tac 124, 115FMJ 4.5 gr. Titegroup handload
Dates of testing: 8/2/2010-12/11/2010
Total rounds fired: 2,233
Stoppages: 2
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0
Notes: The pistol was bought brand new on August 2, 2010. I installed a set of Warren sights and other than a quick look inside nothing was done to the firearm (no cleaning, lube, etc.).

The gun experienced a FTE at round #589 with a handload but we could not replicate the stoppage. T.I.P. John Wayne777 contributed to the FTE's by hexing the gun at the beginning of a PistolTraining.com practice. This led to a FTE with no mag in the gun, we could replicate this and did an additional 3 times.

In addition to regular range practice the gun was used in 7 IDPA matches and one 900+ round practice session. The last 12 rounds were two back to back F.A.S.T. runs of 6.83 clean and 6.98 (one body miss, dammit).

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o30/spenceinva/Gen4G192000RoundTortureTest.jpg

hossb7
02-25-2011, 10:58 PM
Pistol: Sig P226R

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/hossb7/guns/IMG00284-20101031-1612.jpg

Caliber: 9x19mm

Ammunition: 115gr Remington UMC, 115gr Winchester White Box, 124gr +P Speer Gold Dots, 115gr PMC, 124gr Speer Lawman

Dates of testing: 3-13-2010 to 10-28-10 (and continuing)

Total rounds fired: 2,027

Stoppages: zero
Malfunctions: zero
Breakages: zero

Notes: The first 1,200 rounds were shot at Todd Green's Aim Fast, Hit Fast class in Sacramento back in March; the last ~300 were shot during the last two days of a 4-day Front Sight class. Everything in between was normal range use and/or monthly IDPA matches.

Linked photos of inside gun:

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/hossb7/guns/IMG00285-20101031-1613.jpg

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/hossb7/guns/IMG00286-20101031-1613.jpg


Only downside: The academy I'm in makes me clean it!

lindertw
02-26-2011, 09:08 AM
Pistol: HK P30 V2 LEM
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: mix of Winchester WB, Blazer Brass, Federal, Remington, Speer gold dot
Dates of testing: 08MAY10 - 14AUG10
Total rounds fired: 2,080

Stoppages: one (failure to lock back slide during a SHO drill)
Malfunctions: zero
Breakages: zero

Notes: Pistol was NIB at beginning of test (unpacked and wiped it down, gave the barrel one pass with a boresnake and put one drop of Slip2000 lube on the barrel hood prior to test). Finished off the challenge today [14AUG10] with 700 rounds at an outdoor practice session. Pistol was cleaned after today's practice session [14AUG].

*****

Rifle: Noveske N4 basic carbine
Caliber: 5.56
Ammunition: Federal XM193 55gr, Prvi Partizan 55gr, Federal bulk pack (WalMart) 55gr, Federal XM223SP1 62gr, Black Hills blue box 55gr
Magazines: mix of PMAG/Colt/Bravo Company 30-rounders

Dates of testing: 27MAR10 - 16APR10
Range visits: 7
Total rounds fired: 2,340

Stoppages: zero
Malfunctions: zero
Breakages: zero

Notes: The carbine was not cleaned prior to the test (boresnake and several drops of oil were applied several hundred rounds prior to the test starting - those rounds were not counted). Carbine has factory BCG and Bill Springfield 4.5# trigger job. Additionally, a Magpul BAD was in place during the entire test.

Kyle Reese
02-26-2011, 06:08 PM
Pistol: Smith & Wesson M&P 9 C
Caliber: 9mmx19
Ammunition: 115g CCI Blazer, WCC M882 124g NATO, Federal Champion 115g, Federal 95 g JSP
Dates of testing: 05/15/2010 - 01/04/2011
Total rounds fired: 2150
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

MBrook
02-26-2011, 09:23 PM
Pistol: HK P30 V4
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: American Eagle 124gr FMJ / WWB 115gr FMJ / Independence 124gr FMJ / Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P
Dates of testing: 5/10/10 - 6/23/10
Rounds fired during test: 4,164

Frank B
02-27-2011, 09:38 AM
Pistol: Glock 23 Gen 3
Caliber: .40 S&W
Ammunition: 180 grain Blazer Brass
Dates of testing: October 2010 / February 2011
Total rounds fired: 2190
Stoppages: 1
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
I had to report One Failure to Fire. The reason was a dead primer. We tried to fire the round in a H&K USP and in a Tanfoglio. The round never went off.
The Glock fired around 11000 round before and was cleaned and lubricated rarely

texasaggie2005
02-27-2011, 12:00 PM
Pistol: Springfield XD 4" Service
Caliber: .45ACP
Ammunition: WWB 230gr FMJ, American Eagle 230gr FMJ, Remington Goldern Sabre's JHP 185gr +P, Federal HST JHP 230gr +P
Dates of testing: Oct '08 - Current
Total rounds fired: ~2,750
Stoppages: 3
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Notes: Pistol was NIB when I came about it. First 2 stoppages were failure to go into battery within the first 100 rounds, 3rd was a stovepipe around 1,300.

Laughingdog
02-28-2011, 05:24 PM
Pistol: Springfield Operator 1911
Caliber: .45ACP
Ammunition: Reloads: 200g Berry's Plated SWC with 5.4g of Bullseye powder
Dates of testing: 2/26/11-2/27/11
Total rounds fired: ~1100
Stoppages: 5
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

After hitting the 500 round mark, it would fail to lock back on an empty mag about every hundred rounds. Rounds were all fired at a tactical pistol class this weekend. Interestingly enough, you know the guy that taught the class, Todd, or at least he remembers you: Jason Falla.

Prior to this (well, including the first 500 rounds on the 26th), I had about 2100 rounds with 0 stoppages, 0 malfunctions, and 0 breakages with my normal cleaning schedule, which consists of a bore snake every 100-200 rounds (i.e., every range session or two) and cleaning every 300-400.

Dann-in-Ohio
03-05-2011, 01:43 PM
Pistol: Ruger SR9
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition:
2000 - 115 grain Winchester White Box
40 - 147 gr. Federal Hydra-Shok
40 - 124 gr. Supreme Elite™ Bonded PDX1 +P
Dates of testing: February to March, 2011
Total rounds fired: 2,080
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
I always told my Ohio CHL students that I never fully trusted a gun until you could run 500 rounds through it continuously in an afternoon without cleaning or a single problem. I have two Ruger SR9's. This one was taken out of the box, brand-new, it was not cleaned - ever. I checked the gun over, checked the bore and then proceeded to shoot 500+ rounds per weekend for four weekends - even in the snow and rain here in Ohio. It operated flawlessly, although it was getting pretty dirty around the muzzle. I shot the Hydra-Shoks and PDX1 rounds as those are what I have used for everyday carry. I only shot 40 of each of those to check for reliability as they are very expensive compared to the 100-round Winchester White Box 115 grain rounds I pick up at Walmart.

JV_
03-09-2011, 09:39 PM
Pistol: HK P30 LEM
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 124 Fed AE, 115 PMC, 158 Priv
Dates of testing: 2/11-3/9
Total rounds fired: 2,370
Stoppages: 1 - FTFeed
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Stoppage: 1 Round of Federal AE 124 had a part of the case mouth folded in while the bullet was seated. It would not fit in the chamber.

JDM
03-10-2011, 12:06 AM
Can we wipe the crap off the end of the slide and muzzle (exterior) before we jam It down our pants?

If not count me and my failure prone 9mm Glocks and M&Ps out :-P

JV_
03-10-2011, 06:46 AM
Can we wipe the crap off the end of the slide and muzzle (exterior) before we jam It down our pants?

Closed bottom holster!

MDS
03-16-2011, 03:42 PM
Pistol: USP45CT
Caliber: 45ACP
Ammunition: 230gr FMJ: 1000 Fiocchi, 900+ Armscor, 200 WWB
Dates of testing: 11/29/10 - 12/21/10
Total rounds fired: 2100+

2 Failures to Return to Battery (about 1/4" out of battery, a tap on the rear of the slide fixed it. Possibly due to poor judgment during detailed stripping of the recoil-spring/guide-rod assembly, see below)

3 Failures to Feed (always immediately after extracting a dummy round during a ball-and-dummy drill)

Many (~30) Failures to Lock Back on an empty magazine (likely caused by a poor grip)

This gun had about 3000 rounds through it before I started, including 2000 rounds of Wolf. The last 900 rounds before I started went without cleaning or lube, either, in an aborted first attempt at the 2K challenge. There was one FTRB and many failures to lock back (see below) before this challenge started. I also detail-stripped the recoil-spring/guide rod assembly once, and very poorly: the guide rod is now scored, and there's a little added friction on the recoil spring. I suspect the two FTRB’s (one with Wolf and one with WWB) are partially attributable to that.

1000 rounds Fiocchi 230gr FMJ and 450 rounds Armscor 230gr FMJ on 11/29/2010, during a training day with Frank Garcia. About 20 FTLB on the last round of a magazine, and 1 FTRB.

150 rounds WWB 230gr FMJ on 12/7/2010, during Tuesday Night Drills with TSSB. 2 FTLB - otherwise 0/0/0.

50 rounds WWB 230gr FMJ and 250 rounds Armscor 230gr FMJ on 12/14/2010, during a practice session at an indoor range. Many (~5) FTLB. Also, 1 FTRB on round #14.

200+ rounds Armscor 230gr FMJ on 12/21/2010, during a practice session at an indoor range. 1 FTLB. 3 FTF, always on the round after a dummy during ball-and-dummy practice.

The gun has had many failures to lock back on the last round. Just before the test, I put new Wolff springs in 2 of my magazines. The FTLBs stopped happening with those mags - but then started again. So, I figure it’s probably my grip - which certainly needs some work. I spent about 130 rounds on the 12/14 practice session focusing on that, and only one FTLB since then. My support thumb now rests on the trigger guard, just below the frame. Fixed.

Also, the trigger often fails to reset, if it’s in double-action mode (i.e., during dry-fire) and if I release the trigger very slowly. (See a video.) This never happened during live-fire, and it happens even when the gun is sparkling. In any case, I have a new TRS ready to be installed. To be honest, though, I’ll be cleaning my guns a lot less than I used to, based on the results of this challenge.

Chipster
03-19-2011, 04:29 PM
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t79/Chipster_1974/IMG_0908.jpg


Pistol: H&K P30 V2
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 124 grain Federal AE, 115 grain Winchester White Box, Speer 124 grain+P Gold Dot
Dates of testing: 03/19/11
Total rounds fired: 115
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
Bought new. Broke it out of the case and wiped down the exterior. Shot 100 rounds mixed ammunition plus a magazine full of duty ammunition. Bought a couple of extra magazines from Midway USA. Comp-Tac double magazine carrier, Milt Sparks SS#2 with Blade Tech loops. Waiting on Heinie QWIK sights and additional holsters from Alabama Holster Co.

Dann-in-Ohio
03-20-2011, 09:24 PM
I continued with this gun over the weekend, continuing same conditions since I first posted.

I just thought forum members would like to know.

Dann in Ohio



Pistol: Ruger SR9
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition:
2000 - 115 grain Winchester White Box
40 - 147 gr. Federal Hydra-Shok
40 - 124 gr. Supreme Elite™ Bonded PDX1 +P
Dates of testing: February to March, 2011
Total rounds fired: 2,080
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
I always told my Ohio CHL students that I never fully trusted a gun until you could run 500 rounds through it continuously in an afternoon without cleaning or a single problem. I have two Ruger SR9's. This one was taken out of the box, brand-new, it was not cleaned - ever. I checked the gun over, checked the bore and then proceeded to shoot 500+ rounds per weekend for four weekends - even in the snow and rain here in Ohio. It operated flawlessly, although it was getting pretty dirty around the muzzle. I shot the Hydra-Shoks and PDX1 rounds as those are what I have used for everyday carry. I only shot 40 of each of those to check for reliability as they are very expensive compared to the 100-round Winchester White Box 115 grain rounds I pick up at Walmart.

JHC
03-23-2011, 09:02 AM
Pistol: Smith & Wesson M&P Pro 9
Ammunition: 2171 total rounds of: WWB 115, American Eagle 115, RWS 124, Blazer 115, Black Hills BlueBox 115 and a few misc Winchester PDX1 and Ranger 147 gr
Dates of testing: March 10th through April 25th, 2010


Stoppages: 3
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Notes:
Stoppage details - one fail to lock back on empty on 4/11 and TWO incidents in final session on 4/25 where the gun cycled and loaded a live round, but FAILED to cock that striker. Simple rack chambered a fresh round and off it went. This occurred with one round each of WWB 115 and one Blazer 115.

These last two stoppages sort of give me pause. I've never experience this before across tens of thousands of rounds through my other striker fired pistols. This happend on or about hitting and exceeding 2K mark. Will have to read up on M&P issues to see if this has been written up. Maybe just getting crudded up? [edit: Didn't take long to find plenty of similiar reports on the "tech difficulties" board on the mp-pistol.com forum. Hmmm. . . interesting. We now know much more about the Pro sears and some others which can exhibit sear bounce in recall and fail to reset.]

I've been a heavy Glock 9mm user for quite a few years and I am shooting every kind of drill at speed with greater precision with this Pro 9 (edit from original – until I put 6K rds through Gen 4’s in 2010). During my first outing with it, I short stroked the reset a couple of times but I've not done this again over the last 1800 rounds.

After much trial and error, I "think" I shoot ever so slightly better with the large grip. I perceive that the recoil is managed slightly better with the large grip also.

This gun would not group better than about 5” at 25 yds with any of a half dozen loads attempted. I’m confident in saying that as I’ve managed 1.5 – 2” from RTF2 G17 and Gen 4 G17.

Pistol: Glock 4th Generation G17 (non-recessed spring box orig unmarked RSA)
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: WWB 115, American Eagle 115, Blazer 115, Black Hills (blue) 115, RWS 124, Independence 115, Rem-UMC 115
Dates of testing: 3/14/2010 – 5/2/2010
Total rounds fired: 2001 rds (3/22/11 update 7K rds, no stoppages)

Stoppages: 0 (2 deliberate 3 finger grip limp wrist induced)
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Notes: Gun was new-unfired at the start of the test. No lube added beyond what came from the factory. There was no prep of locking the slide back for a week before shooting etc etc. Deliberately induced 2 “limp wrist” failures to cycle with 3 finger grip and extreme low grip which I don’t really count on the gun as this additional test has not been included in many or any of the guns on this thread. Approximately 50 rounds were fired strong hand only or weak hand only. (since original test, have seen 1.5” 25 yard group of 5 – rested – with 147 grain Ranger.)


Pistol: Glock 4th Generation G19 (recoil spring 03)
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: WWB 115, Federal 115, Blazer 115, Win 124 gr NATO, Hornady 115 jhp+P,
Dates of testing: 7/18/2010 – 10/1/2010
Total rounds fired: 2000 rds (3/22/11 update 3K rds no stoppages)

Stoppages: 0 (1 induced limp wrist with 3 finger grip)
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Notes: Gun was new-unfired at the start of the test. No lube added beyond what came from the factory. There was no prep of locking the slide back for a week before shooting etc etc. 50 rds of Blazer fired with X300 mounted.
Deliberately induced 1 “limp wrist” failures to cycle with 3 finger grip and extreme low grip with Blazer 115gr. Same 3 finger grip test with 124 gr NATO load cycled fine.

JFK
03-24-2011, 12:15 PM
Pistol: Les Baer Custom Carry 1911
Ammo: 950 Feral Ammunition 230gr FMJ, 1300 Moly coat LSWC 200gr reloads, 43 Hornady TAP Holowpoint.
Total: 2293
Testing dates: Nov 12, 2010 - Dec 2, 2010

Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakage: 0

This gun had about 7000 rounds prior to testing. Average cleaning and maintanance is 1500 - 2000 rounds other than lube. All springs were replaced prior to testing. Pistol was detail stripped and cleaned.

VolGrad
03-24-2011, 12:40 PM
Pistol: H&K P30 V2 LEM
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 115gr home rolled FMJ, 124gr Dynamit Nobel (Geco) FMJ
Dates of testing: 03/20/11
Total rounds fired: 400 (estimated, I don't log round counts)
Stoppages: 3, broken down as follows; 2 stovepipes, 1 failure to lock slide back
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments: This pistol was purchased NIB on 03/16/11 with 3 mags and factory
installed Meprolight NS. I field stripped it, removed the absurd amount of factory
grease from the internals, re-lubed it with a generous dose of wet oil, then re-assembled.

It should also be noted during my first range trip I was experimenting with the different
sized grip panels and backstraps so the stovepiles could have been user/grip induced. Given
the fact I was shooting DIY ammo there is also the outside chance some was underpowered vs
the tight spring on the NIB gun. I was warned beforehand to use hotter ammo during the
break-in period but was too cheap to burn up my factory loaded ammo unless it appeared it
was absolutely necessary. I plan to change over to the 124gr factory ammo for the next
range session and see if the stoppages continue.

I ended up going with the Medium side panels and the Small backstrap.

I will update this post as I get more rounds down range.

MDS
03-25-2011, 08:22 AM
Average cleaning and maintanance is 1500 - 2000 rounds other than lube.

So this gun was cleaned and lubed during the 2000-round challenge?

JFK
03-25-2011, 08:33 AM
So this gun was cleaned and lubed during the 2000-round challenge?

No during the challenge no lube or cleaning. I was saying its normal maintenance is 1500 - 2000 rounds for cleaning. Recoil spring every 3k, other springs every 6k. Sorry for the confusion.

JDM
03-25-2011, 08:39 AM
2000 rounds guys. Not 115 or 400 or 1993. 2000 round challenge.

MDS
03-25-2011, 09:32 AM
No during the challenge no lube or cleaning. I was saying its normal maintenance is 1500 - 2000 rounds for cleaning. Recoil spring every 3k, other springs every 6k. Sorry for the confusion.

Nice! :)

Kyle Reese
03-25-2011, 09:49 AM
Folks- please remember that this is the 2000 round challenge. I understand everyone's enthusiasm, but let's please try to keep this on point. Thanks for your understanding and cooperation.

jetfire
03-28-2011, 01:47 PM
Pistol: SIG 1911 Tactical Operations

Caliber: .45 ACP
Ammunition: BVAC 230 grain FMJ, Remington 185 grain FMJ, PMC Bronze 230 gr FMJ
Dates of testing: 15-Mar-11 to 27-Mar-11
Total rounds fired: 2,027

Stoppages: 1*
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Notes: The sole stoppage occurred when the slide locked open on a magazine that still had a round left in the mag. The magazine used was an aftermarket Chip McCormick 10 round mag. No stoppages of any type were encountered with factory Sig magazines, Wilson Combat magazines, or Chip McCormick 8 round Shooting Star magazines. Prior to the challenge, the 10-round McCormick mags had occasionally experienced this issue, but I was using them for the Speed Kills/Get SOM class so I could have more ammo on the line at a time.

ToddG
04-04-2011, 11:41 AM
Pistol: Glock 17 (gen 4)
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: CCI 115gr Blazer FMJ, American Eagle 124gr FMJ, Federal 124gr +p HST
Dates of testing: 30-Mar-11 through 3-Apr-11
Total rounds fired: 2,008
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
It took four tries to get the pistol in a condition that it could be fired 2,000 times without a parts change. The original extractor that came with the gun caused a stoppage approximately 1% of the time. Two other extractor assembly combinations also resulted in stoppages. Finally, a new-production extractor was placed in the pistol and the gun has run without incident since.

MattNRA
04-06-2011, 01:25 PM
Pistol: Kimber Pro Aegis
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 115 grain PMC, 115 grain Winchester White Box, 115 grain American Eagle, 124 grain Winchester Ranger, 124 grain American Eagle
Dates of testing: 12/1/10-3/28/11
Total rounds fired: 2,700
Modifications: Ed Brown Extended mag release (reduced interior, fitted for over-travel and fully polished), Wolff #4 reduced power mag release spring, Wolff Variable power 14lbs Recoil spring, Wolff XP Firing pin spring, Ed Brown bobtail and custom heal reduction, Cylinder and Slide 4lbs trigger kit.
Stoppages: 2
Malfunctions: 2
Breakages: 0

Comments:
To credit an article previously written by ToddG, the 1911 can be finicky and requires more careful maintenance however if you are familiar with them they can be rock solid pistols. During this test I had to change the recoil spring once per manufacturer specs. The two stoppages were FTF that were associated with the two malfunctions, all caused by Wilson Combat magazines. the follower was the culprit, allowing the rounds to tilt and stopping the controlled feed from taking place. A call to Wilson corrected the issue and they sent new followers. The Kimber and Colt 9mm magazines ran flawlessly.

The gun after 2700 rounds...
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Slavex
04-17-2011, 12:04 AM
Pistol: CZ Shadow
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 147gr TMJ Plated CamPro bullets, mixed brass, Federal SPP 3.3-3.6grs Tightgroup loaded on a Dillon 1050
Dates of testing: April 7th 2011- April 15 2011
Total rounds fired: 2,700
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
Gun is brand new, prior to test I swapped out standard parts for; Factory Competition Hammer, stainless guide rod, reduced power hammer spring, reduced power recoil spring. Also installed flush safeties from my old Shadow. Polished all contact areas to smooth trigger pull. Lubed it up and ran the test. I have now replaced the extractor spring, as I had intended to do that before the test but forgot. The gun has now been cleaned and is, I feel, ready to be my new competition gun.

NGCSUGrad09
04-25-2011, 09:58 AM
Pistol: Glock 17 (#32 made in the US)
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Reloads with Black Bullet International 130gr bullets, Solo 1000 and CCI SP Primers. Meet USPSA and IDPA power factors
Dates of testing: 2/23/2011 through 3/30/2011
Total rounds fired: 2051
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments: This gun is one of the first made in the US. I purchased it off of a Glock employee and decided to run it for a year or so and see if it works and to get good data in comparison to the 34s and 19s I've used for several years. So far it hasn't had one hiccup since firing brand new (2,510 as of 4/23/11). After purchase, I put Warren Tactical sights, a minus connector and some grip tape on the gun. It's also got a mid-length mag release that was acquired in an unconventional manner. To date, the gun has not been cleaned, wiped down or lubed since initial inspection and replacement of parts. While I normally wipe down and add a little lube at 500rds and detail strip at 2,000, I'm running it until the point of being sluggish/stoppage/malfunction. The gun has seen many practice sessions, bowling pin matches a TLG AFHF class and a master run through the IDPA classifier. So far I'm digging on the gun and will see how it holds up!

jetfire
04-27-2011, 10:43 AM
Pistol: Sig Sauer P250 (http://www.gunup.com/pistol/sig-sauer/p250/classic) fullsize
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 147 grain Federal HST, 147 grain Ranger, 115 gr BVAC JHP, 115 gr S&B FMJ, 115 gr PMC Bronze FMJ, 115 gr BVAC FMJ.
Dates of testing: 03/29/2011 – 04/26/2011
Total rounds fired: 2032
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
Prior to starting the challenge, I had one shooter-induced stoppage where the slide failed to lock to the rear because of a faulty grip. That was in the first 130 rounds, which are not included in the 2,000 round challenge. Over the next 2032 rounds the pistol has experienced zero stoppages of any type. During the challenge, the P250 also fired a 2.4 inch unsupported group at 25 yards using BVAC 115 grain FMJ ammo.

Ray Keith
05-04-2011, 12:32 PM
Pistol: Glock Model 17 (Gen 3)
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 124 grain Montana Gold FMJ over 4.1 grains Titegroup, 115 grain Winchester White Box, Federal 124 gr Hydrashok +P, Federal HST 124 gr +P
Dates of testing: 2/26/2011-4/10/2011
Total rounds fired: 2,283
Stoppages: 3 (1 bulged case, 1 high primer, 1 dead primer)
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
My everyday concealed carry. Stock. Shooting consisted of Tom Givens' Adv. Instructor Workshop, W. Texas Regional IDPA, Saturday club match IDPA, Steel plates, Givens' 2-day Combative Pistol class (filthy blowing red dirt for 2 days). Purchased in July '08 the pistol now has a shade over 12k rounds, no breakages of any kind, ammo or operator related problems only.

Prdator
05-04-2011, 08:49 PM
Pistol: Glock Model 17 (Gen 3)
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 124 grain Montana Gold FMJ over 4.1 grains Titegroup, 115 grain Winchester White Box, Federal 124 gr Hydrashok +P, Federal HST 124 gr +P
Dates of testing: 2/26/2011-4/10/2011
Total rounds fired: 2,283
Stoppages: 3 (1 bulged case, 1 high primer, 1 dead primer)
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
My everyday concealed carry. Stock. Shooting consisted of Tom Givens' Adv. Instructor Workshop, W. Texas Regional IDPA, Saturday club match IDPA, Steel plates, Givens' 2-day Combative Pistol class (filthy blowing red dirt for 2 days). Purchased in July '08 the pistol now has a shade over 12k rounds, no breakages of any kind, ammo or operator related problems only.



Would the stoppages even count seeing how the would not be able to shoot in another gun??
Oh This is what I expect from a G17!!!!! good job man!

John Hearne
05-04-2011, 11:04 PM
Givens' 2-day Combative Pistol class (filthy blowing red dirt for 2 days). Purchased in July '08 the pistol now has a shade over 12k rounds, no breakages of any kind, ammo or operator related problems only.

If your pistol ran after that range day, it will run forever. I never fired my pistol in three days and it was full of nasty red grit. I detail stripped it and was amazed at where the crud had made it to while just sitting in the holster.

Pennzoil
05-07-2011, 03:56 PM
Pistol: Smith & Wesson M&P 9 with thumb safety
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 115 grain Norosibirsk Russian, 115 grain Winchester White Box, 115 grain Federal, 147 grain Winchester PDX1
Dates of testing: 4/26/11-5/07/11
Total rounds fired: 2,006
Modifications: Apex DCAEK Kit installed by Grant at G&R Tactical
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
Purchased new from Grant with him installing the Apex DCAEK kit. Started the challenge from new in box. Only thing close to an issue was pistol felt sluggish two times in last 100 rounds with 115 grain Federal but continued to cycle. Sluggishness really felt like under loaded rounds but unsure no issues with other ammo. The challenge was done during normal practice/drills and this pistol is now going to be my primary gun.

Looks pretty clean still, especially considering a good portion with Norosibirsk ammo.
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MDS
05-20-2011, 01:40 PM
Pistol: Glock G19RTF2
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 50 Winchester NATO 9mm; 250 USP 115gr 9mm; 1000 WWB 115gr 9mm; 788 PMC 115gr 9mm; 50 Blazer Brass 115gr 9mm
Dates of testing: 3/22/2011 - 5/20/2011
Total rounds fired: 2138
Stoppages: 8 failures to lock back on empty magazine
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
The FTLBs all happened in the first half of the test, and they happened less and less as I figured out my grip. Coming from a USP, I was used to resting my strong thumb on the safety... which is right about where the slide release is on a Glock. I've trained myself to rest my strong thumb on top of my weak thumb, and the problem went away, with no recurrence in the last 1200+ rounds of the test.

The gun is completely stock, except that I put Ameriglo sights on it after the first 85 rounds. I bought it new and started shooting it just the way it came out of the box. The grins, I has 'em. :)

MD7305
06-02-2011, 03:16 PM
Pistol: HK P30 v2
Caliber: .40S&W
Ammunition: Speer Lawman (165 & 180gr.), Speed GDHP 165gr., CCI Blazer Aluminum (165 & 180gr.), CCI Blazer Brass 180gr., Federal EFMJ 165gr., Federal Champion FMJ 165gr., Federal HST 165gr., Winchester WWB 165gr., Winchester Ranger Bonded 180gr.
Dates of testing: May 9, 2011 - June 2, 2011
Total rounds fired: 2,120

Stoppages: 1
Malfunctions: 2
Breakages: zero

Notes:
My P30 is stock with factory night sights. 1570rds of the challenge were fired using only two magazines.

I fired a variety of different brands of ammuniton through the challenge but the bulk of the 2120rds. consisted of Blazer Aluminum 180gr. and Speer Lawman 165gr. The lone stoppage was caused by a round of Speer Lawman 165gr. and it was a failure to fire. When I fired I heard a "pop" that sounded like a cap gun, I saw a poof of smoke at my chamber and felt no recoil. I removed the cartridge and found the round intact but the primer was half missing and the bottom of the casing was burnt. My shooting buddy was shooting from the same lot (1k case) of ammo and expereinced a failure to fire (primer dimpled and intact) with his Glock 23. His round fired on a second attempt, my round was not tested again due to the visible issue with the primer. I attribute the stoppage as an ammunition problem.

I had two malfunctions that I attribute to my grip. On two occassions during a 400rd range session (half way through the challenge) I dropped my magazine while firing. Upon evaluation of my grip I believe my support hand activated the magazine release. I have not had an issue since becoming aware that my support hand can activate the release and have adjusted my grip accordingly.

Speer Lawman ammo is dirtier than anything else I fired but the P30 marched on. I'm very pleased.

atmiller
06-04-2011, 10:06 AM
Pistol: Springfield Armory XDm
Caliber: .45ACP
Ammunition: Wolf, Tula Ammo, Winchester White Box, Federal Red Box, Hornady TAP
Dates of testing: November 9, 2010 - April 27, 2011
Total rounds fired: 6340
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Notes:
As expected from an XD, flawless performance. Only cleaned because I was putting a Powder River Precision trigger kit in it. Gun was new out of the box when I started, I only lubed it before taking it to the range for the first time.

themonk
06-21-2011, 09:49 PM
Pistol: FN FNX
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 115 grain PMC, 115 grain Speer Lawman, 115 grain American Eagle
Dates of testing: 5/23-6/21, 2011
Total rounds fired: 2,200
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Notes:
The FNX was purchased new mid February 2011. The gun had one stove pipe during initial break-in (first 200 rounds); there has been no issue since. I don’t have an exact count but I’m thinking very close to 3500 rounds prior to the test. The guns primary use is as a home defense weapon. Gun was lubed with Tetra grease prior to test.

JHC
06-22-2011, 05:05 AM
Pistol: Glock 17 Gen 3 RTF2 (fish gills)
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 115 grain WWB, 124 grain Speer Blazer
Dates of testing: 2/10 through 6/19/2011
Total rounds fired: 2,105
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Notes:
Straight out of the box, without cleaning or lube added to factory lube. 90% of the ammo was the 124 Blazer. RTF2 grip surface is just terrific. Vickers mag release added. Improvement from Gen 3 stock but not as good as Gen 4 IMO. Just a good old steady Glock 9mm.

mik3
07-14-2011, 08:59 AM
Pistol: Smith & Wesson M&P 40 L 5”
Caliber: 40S&W
Ammunition: reloads of 180 LTC SOLO 1000, WWB 165, 165 plated with CLays, 180 plated with Clays
Dates of testing: 5-May-11? to 9-July-11
Total rounds fired: 2,020

Stoppages: zero
Malfunctions: zero
Breakages: zero

Notes:
Pistol had 0 rounds through it before the test began other than test rounds from factory. I brought it home cleaned it changed the rear sight to a Warren Tactical Night sight put in a Apex RAM carved up the sear since the L version comes with the standard sear, polished all trigger componets and striker block, put on the grip tape, lubed it all up and that is it.

After the 2,020 rounds reported above, the gun was still relatively clean and still felt smooth, Solo and Clays powders do burn pretty clean with Clays a bit cleaner than Solo 1000.

Slavex
07-20-2011, 05:53 PM
June 18-July 20 2011
CZ Shadow (2011 Manufacture)
Gun was cleaned, lubed and had Competition hammer, taller FO sight for 147gr bullets, stainless guide rod and lighter recoil spring, lighter hammer spring and flush mounted safeties fitted before test. Rear sight needed to be centered on slide as it was full right in the groove (which concerned me if was supposed to be there).
Gun was and still is extremely tight. Much better fitting of componens than my 2010 Manufacture gun I received in April. In dry fire at the store the reset with the factory hammer was already super short, with the new hammer I don't even use the over travel screw.
A total of 2483 rounds have been fired to date with no malfunctions or problems. New grips were fitted on the 12th if July (fancy gold ones too).
Gun will be cleaned and lubed tonight, another 1500 rounds through it I hope before I head to the Canadian Nationals next week. I may or may not clean it before then........

Corey
07-28-2011, 09:24 AM
Pistol: Smith & Wesson M&P Full Size
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 100 rounds Winchester Ranger-T, 155 rounds mixed S&B and PMC 115 gr. FMJ, 50 rounds Remington Golden Saber, 1165 rounds Wolf, 677 rounds reloads.
Dates of testing: 28 April 2011 to 23 July 2011.
Total rounds fired: 2,147

Stoppages: 1
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Notes: Pistol was purchased new a week before I started this test. I left the gun completely stock, simply wiped it down and lubricated it with TW25B and started the test. My only stoppage was 63 rounds into the test with Wolf ammo. I had one round that had a light charge. When I fired on that round there was noticeably less recoil and noise, and the slide only cycled far enough to reset the sear, not enough to extract the fired case. The bullet did not get stuck in the barrel so I continued that shooting session and had no other issues for the remainder of the test.

jetfire
07-29-2011, 02:26 PM
Pistol: Lone Wolf Timberwolf (http://gunnuts.net/2011/07/13/lone-wolf-timberwolf/)
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: PMC 115gr FMJ, Fiocchi 158gr FMJ, Ranger 147gr JHP, BVAC 115gr FMJ, Federal 147gr FMJ, SBR 158gr FMJ, BVAC 124gr JHP
Dates of testing: 7/12/2011 - 7/28/2011
Total rounds fired: 2,226

Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

The Lone Wolf Timberwolf isn't so much a gun as it's a Glock in Wolf's clothing. It's a frame that's designed to mimic most of the things people have done to their Glocks, like beavertails, grip reductions, and undercutting the trigger guard. The gun I have is a Lone Wolf T-Wolf frame, slide, and barrel filled full of Glock parts and some aftermarket parts like the guide rod/recoil spring set up.

A few things I've noticed with the Timberwolf: fit and lockup on this gun are not as tight as they are on my factory stock Glock 34, consequently the factory 34 is more accurate. The best "accuracy" combo I've gotten was to put my factory Glock slide on the Timberwolf frame with the Lone Wolf barrel; that produced about 2 inch groups at 25 yards with Federal 147 grain FMJ. Interesting note: the factory Glock barrel will not fit in the Lone Wolf slide, but the Lone Wolf barrel will fit the Glock slide. The best group I've been able to pull with the Lone Wolf parts from a rest has been 4 inches at 25 yards with SBR 158gr FMJ.

Cosmo M3
08-07-2011, 06:25 PM
Pistol: HK P30 V3
Caliber: 9 mm
Ammunition: Federal Champion 115g, Winchester White Box 115g, Federal American Eagle 115g, GECO 124gr, Speer Blazer Aluminum 115g, Speer Blazer Brass 115g
Dates of testing: May 1 - June 1, 2011
Total rounds fired: 2,000

Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Notes:
Most recent range time was outdoors in the rain, dirty and mud using nothing but WWB from Walmart. Not much to say since I didn't have any issues.

jetfire
08-08-2011, 02:03 PM
Pistol: Lone Wolf Timberwolf (http://gunnuts.net/2011/07/13/lone-wolf-timberwolf/)
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: PMC 115gr FMJ, Fiocchi 158gr FMJ, Ranger 147gr JHP, BVAC 115gr FMJ, Federal 147gr FMJ, SBR 158gr FMJ, BVAC 124gr JHP
Dates of testing: 7/12/2011 - 7/28/2011
Total rounds fired: 2,226

Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

The Lone Wolf Timberwolf isn't so much a gun as it's a Glock in Wolf's clothing. It's a frame that's designed to mimic most of the things people have done to their Glocks, like beavertails, grip reductions, and undercutting the trigger guard. The gun I have is a Lone Wolf T-Wolf frame, slide, and barrel filled full of Glock parts and some aftermarket parts like the guide rod/recoil spring set up.

A few things I've noticed with the Timberwolf: fit and lockup on this gun are not as tight as they are on my factory stock Glock 34, consequently the factory 34 is more accurate. The best "accuracy" combo I've gotten was to put my factory Glock slide on the Timberwolf frame with the Lone Wolf barrel; that produced about 2 inch groups at 25 yards with Federal 147 grain FMJ. Interesting note: the factory Glock barrel will not fit in the Lone Wolf slide, but the Lone Wolf barrel will fit the Glock slide. The best group I've been able to pull with the Lone Wolf parts from a rest has been 4 inches at 25 yards with SBR 158gr FMJ.

Interesting update to this: after firing 2850 rounds without an issue; the Timberwolf suddenly started to experience some devastating FTEs that would lead to a double-feed type malf. The fired case would stick in the chamber and the gun would try to feed another round. In the last 763 rounds I've had four FTEs of the same type. What's interesting is I switched ammo; I have about 2000 rounds of 9mm that's "factory" on once fired brass. The initial 2800 rounds were all fired using factory ammo on virgin brass from the companies listed above. To see if it was the ammo, I tried the reloads in my factory Glock 34 and sure enough, 200 rounds or so in I had the exact same FTE. But with that in mind, I'll probably stick to factory ammo on virgin brass from now on in the 'Wolf.

SCBradley
08-09-2011, 02:40 AM
Pistol: Glock 19 Gen 3
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 115 gr WWB, 147 gr HP WWB, 115 gr Rem UMC, 147 gr Federal HST
Dates of testing: 04/01/11 - 08/08/11
Total rounds fired: 4352
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
Pistol wasn't cleaned or lubed after purchase. It has the gen 4-style extractor. No problems aside from a sore forehead, from being regularly pelted with brass between the 2nd and 3rd thousand rounds. Fired 1455 rounds with TLR-2, 2502 with x300, and 395 with Viridian C5L.

Long tom coffin
08-16-2011, 02:04 PM
I keep perpetually stalking this forum and Todd's blog, so I figured I might as well have a go with this.

Glock 19 Gen4, purchased ~March 2010. 04 spring from factory, as well as the original connector. Still haven't gotten the Dot yet.


Total accumulated rounds fired 4700 at this point. 2700 rounds previously fired, all problem free. For the purposes of this test:


RF: 2000
Dates: May 2011-August 2011. Was cleaned and lightly lubed about 500 rounds prior to the start of the challenge. Was not cleaned or lubed upon purchase.

Rounds used:
Range Ammo: Mostly Win 9mm 124 gr NATO, mixed with some PMC 115 Gr and S&B 115 gr. I have deliberately avoided lower class Federal and Winchester offerings after being dissatisfied with their QC.
Duty Ammo: 1000 rounds 124 gr +p Speer GD, my carry ammo, and 200 rnds 115 gr Corbon DPX.

Stoppages: Zero
Malfs: zero
Breakages: zero

Comments: No other problems. Love the gun and I will be picking up another as a spare in the future. Accuracy is superb and recoil control is excellent. A few instances of weak ejection here and there with the PMC and S&B range ammos, with 2 casings hitting me on the head of all 4700 fired. The Duty ammo used has performed flawlessly; ejection is strong and to the right at about 3:30. I have made no modifications to the gun other than night sights. I will be adding the dot connector as soon as my supplier has them in stock.

YVK
08-25-2011, 07:15 PM
Glock 19, Gen 3. Smooth G17 trigger, first 1000 - regular connector, second 1000 - OEM "-" connector.

Dates: Jun 25-Aug 25, 2011.

Round count: 2000, PMC and Blazer 115 gr in equal share.

Zero problems of any kind.

Special notes: gun has been lubed once during 2000 challenge test; total round count of 11488 with single breakage of slide stop spring.

ToddG
08-25-2011, 07:19 PM
Special notes: gun has been lubed once during 2000 challenge test;

Then technically, it wasn't the 2,000 Round Challenge.

YVK
08-25-2011, 07:44 PM
Then technically, it wasn't the 2,000 Round Challenge.

Todd, my dyslexia is acting up. The gun was lubed with XM-7 grease before the challenge started but no lube was applied during the 2000 round course.

ToddG
08-25-2011, 08:15 PM
Then technically, it's fine. :cool:

YVK
10-12-2011, 10:10 PM
Do we report repeat performers, or one per same pistol is enough?

ToddG
10-13-2011, 09:15 AM
Do we report repeat performers, or one per same pistol is enough?

I've always just done one per pistol. Otherwise, I'd be reporting every 10-15 days. :cool:

NickA
10-13-2011, 09:36 AM
I'd be reporting every 10-15 days. :cool:
I'm so jealous right now.


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PPGMD
10-17-2011, 03:49 PM
Pistol: Smith & Wesson M&P 9 Full Size # 2
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 124 gr BVAC X-Treme Defense (107 rounds), 115 gr Hornandy Steel Match (50 rounds), 115 gr Sellier & Bellot (50 rounds), 115 gr BVAC Bulk Ammo (1,800 rounds)
Dates of testing: 9/29/2011-10/17/2011
Total rounds fired: 2,007
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
Apex DCAEK, Apex RAM, Trijicon HD Sights, CTC Grips
Had 1,600 rounds fired through it before this, with zero malfunctions.

JV_
11-04-2011, 07:29 PM
Pistol: Glock 17 EXO
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Federal AE 124g
Dates of testing: 10/19-11/4
Total rounds fired: 2,184
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

nwhpfan
11-16-2011, 01:04 AM
Pistol: Smith & Wesson M&P 9
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Speer Gold Dot 300; Federal American Eagle 300; Speer Lawman 450; Samson IMI 850, Blazer 200; + 150 I don't remember..

Dates of testing: End of October 2011-Middle of November 2011.
Total rounds fired: 2250
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Sure got a little dry and dirty but it kept on going....

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Who needs a polished feed ramp anyway!!

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Obligatory gun and knife combo.

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I like the gun; it may replace my P2000 9mm LEM. We'll see.

farscott
01-19-2012, 01:13 PM
Pistol: Glock 17 2nd Generation with Nickel-Boron finished slide and barrel
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Federal American Eagle 124-grain and Winchester USA 115-grain
Dates of testing: 16-DEC to 18-JAN
Total rounds fired: 3,057
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 1 (stock plastic front sight disappeared at round 1,023 or 1,024. Replaced with OEM steel front sight and shot 2,000 rounds from that point.)

Comments: Added Ghost 3.5# drop-in connector before test started.

ToddG
01-19-2012, 10:38 PM
Sight falling off and needing replacement would qualify as a breakage, not a malfunction.

farscott
01-20-2012, 05:46 AM
I agree, but the first post in the thread classified it is a malfunction.

farscott
01-20-2012, 05:48 AM
Or if I had just installed the same front sight, it would be a malfunction?

BaiHu
01-20-2012, 09:25 AM
Pistol: HKP30L
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Sellier & Bellot 115gr
Dates of testing: 12/19-1/15
Total rounds fired: 2,145
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

apollo11
01-27-2012, 11:39 PM
Pistol: HK P30LS V1
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Handloads-124g FMJ, at 1100-1150 f/s
Dates of testing: December 2011-January 2012
Total rounds fired: 2650
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Cleaned after this test, now has over 4000 with no stoppages, malfunctions or breakages.

vaglocker
01-28-2012, 11:06 AM
So what counts as a stoppage versus a malfunction?

Cosmo M3
01-28-2012, 09:32 PM
So what counts as a stoppage versus a malfunction?

Have you tried reading the first post of this thread?

JM Campbell
01-28-2012, 09:37 PM
Have you tried reading the first post of this thread?

A little help.....


DEFINITIONS

Stoppage: Any failure of the pistol to go through its entire cycle of operation. This could include a failure to feed, fire, extract, or eject. A problem qualifies as a Stoppage if and only if the shooter is capable of fixing the problem without the use of any tools, without disassembling the gun in any way (magazine can be removed), and the pistol is in firing condition in less than 30 seconds. For example, a stovepipe or failure of the slide to go fully into battery would be Stoppages. Added 21-Jan-08: Failure to lock back after the last round in a magazine is fired, even if the shooter believes it was caused by an improper grip, is considered a stoppage.

Malfunction: Any failure of the pistol to go through its entire cycle of operation and which requires the use of tools, disassembly of any part of the pistol, and/or takes more than 30 seconds to resolve, but does not require any parts replacement. For example, a dislodged spring or a front sight that falls off the gun would be Malfunctions.

Breakage: Any failure of the pistol to go through its entire cycle of operation and which requires parts replacement (springs, pins, locking block, anything) to resolve. For example, a broken spring or chipped extractor would be Breakages.

A pistol must fire 2,000 consecutive rounds without any cleaning or maintenance or additional lubrication without any stoppages, malfunctions or breakages to qualify as having met the "2,000 Round Challenge."

abu fitna
01-29-2012, 04:34 PM
Folks already knew what to expect from this weapon, but an additional data point to increase representativeness of the sample size here.


Pistol: Glock 19 Gen3 (stock configuration, Trijicon sights)
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: 115gr WWB, 124gr RUAG, 135gr Federal Personal Defense
Dates of testing: 4 December 2011 to 29 January 2012
Total rounds fired: 2230
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Date of manufacture is believed to be early 2009 (for those keeping track of early versus late Gen3 production issues - clearly none with this weapon.)

old_trapper
02-06-2012, 07:17 PM
Pistol: Walther PPS (BA date stamp, new style slide spring retention tab)
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: 115 PMC, Remington 147 Golden Sabre, 147 Speer Gold Dot
Dates of testing: 13 Jan 2012 to 6 Feb 2012
Total rounds fired: 2031
Stoppages: 1
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

stoppage was that the slide did not lock back on the last round of an early magazine (first 100 rounds or so). I was riding the slide release. Grip adjustment and did not happen again. Also perhaps interesting to some; I lubricated this pistol in the places specified by the manual with 10w30 mobil1 when I first purchased it. At the end of the test, it was still wet on the inside. Lots of little brass bits stuck everywhere though.

167
02-11-2012, 12:50 AM
Pistol: Beretta 96D (1997 Manufacture police trade-in)
Caliber: .40 S&W
Ammunition: Georgia Arms 165gr "Canned Heat" (IPSC Major)
Dates of Testing: 12/5/11-2/9/12
Total Rounds Fired: 2,067
Stoppages: 1 (round # 950)
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Malfunction.

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End of test.

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iakdrago
02-14-2012, 11:45 AM
Gun purchased October 2011. Test completed Feb 2012.

The 2000 round challenge started right out of the box.

Ammo used: 2000 rounds of Remington UMC.

0 Stoppages
0 Malfunctions

Parts breakage? The paint flaked of from the front site--fixed with a dab of white out. Not sure if i should count this one as one or not.

Sin-ster
02-15-2012, 06:06 AM
Pistol: Smith & Wesson M&P 9 Pro
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Competition Handloads; 124 grain MG JHP, 4.1 grains VV N320, 1.140" COAL, Federal SPP and brass.
Dates of testing: First-- 11/16/11 - 11/20/11; Second-- 1/6/12 - 1/13/12
Total rounds fired: First-- 2200; Second-- 2100
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
My current game gun. I intentionally ran the first test without knowing it had been issued on this site, just to see what would happen. The second was through laziness of not maintaining my typical "shoot 800-1100 rounds on Friday and clean that afternoon" schedule; it went through two weeks instead of just the one.



Pistol: Gen 3 Glock 17
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Competition Load: 124 grain MG JHP, 4.2 grains VV N320, 1.160" COAL, Federal SPP and brass.
Dates of testing: At least 3 times in the middle months of 2011.
Total rounds fired: 2000-2300 per instance.
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
My game gun prior to switching to the M&P. These were all the result of being lax in my aforementioned schedule. It put over 30k (closer to 40) rounds through the pistol in total, including at least 10k (combined) of Federal Champion 115 and WWB, plus another 2k of Geco 124 grain. I snapped two after market, extra powered trigger springs; the gun had light strike issues for all of 3 days on reduced power striker springs, until I switched to a lightened and extended striker from Z-TEV (Glockworx) and began handloading Federal primers only. It ran through 20k+ after that without a single issue, aside from the single piece of brass that kissed off of a barricade and landed magically in my chamber (verified by two people watching me shoot the stage). (NOTE-- none of those occurred during these tests; I remember expressly lamenting how clean the gun was when the failures occurred.) I'm sure I came close to the 2k mark several other times throughout the year.

Ray Keith
02-17-2012, 12:53 PM
I hope this doesn't violate the thread rule, but I'd like to update as I go, as much for my own record keeping. If it does just delete the post.


Pistol: Glock Model 26 (Gen 4)
Purchase: Feb 14, 2012, Cases test fired at Smyrna in Dec 2011.
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition:
Handload 1: 124 grain M-G CMJ, 4.2 grains Titegroup, 1.135" Target COAL, Tula SPP and mixed range brass.
Handload 2: 115 grain Precision Delta, 4.5-5.0 grains of Win 231, 1.135 Target COAL, Winchester SPP and mixed range brass
Handload: grab bag of various extras and old loads I no longer run.

Dates of testing: First-- 2/16/12 - in progress
Total rounds fired: 170- in progress
Stoppages: 3
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
Day 1 serves as a nice reminder of how little I like small pistols. Pistol is brand new out of the box, inspected, added about 5 drops of oil and began.

Stoppage 1: From the grab bag. Failed to fire-went click. Round in chamber, removed, clearly high primer with a strike though lighter than my other Glocks.
Stoppage 2: From the grab bag. Failed to fire-went click. Round in chamber, removed, clearly high primer with a strike though lighter than my other Glocks.
Stoppage 3: From Handload 1. Appeared as double feed. Stopped, photographed. Round in chamber fired. After mag removal, the empty casing had to be "banged out" holding slide in left hand, banging back of pistol with right hand. Casing came out fairly easily. Appears to be a slightly bulged casing, perhaps a slight crease from the sizing die.

592

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MongooseDog
02-18-2012, 04:35 PM
Pistol: Radom P-64 (1976)
Caliber: 9x18mm
Ammunition: Wolf, Fiochi, Some Russian stuff i can't type
Dates of testing: Oct 2011 - Feb 2012
Total rounds fired: ~2200
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Thought I would try this on an oldy. No idea how many rounds were through it when i got it. Lubed and cleaned when i purchased it. Only thing i changed was custom mag release lever. No issues at all so far.

EricP
02-26-2012, 03:29 PM
Pistol: Glock 19 gen 3
Caliber: 9x19
Ammunition: 1,430 115gr. Blazer Brass, 581 115 gr. PMC Bronze, 15 127gr. Winchester Ranger +P+
Dates of Testing: 12/4-2/25
Total Rounds Fired: 2026
Stoppages: 3 All stoppages were the slide not locking back on a empty magazine while wearing gloves.
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Modifications: G-17 smooth trigger, Glock - connector, Vickers slide stop and magazine catch, and Warren two dot sights.

Comments: The gun started the test with around 9000 rounds through it. Prior to the test beginning, I had a few light primer strikes and decided to re-spring the entire gun. The NY1 trigger spring was also removed at this time.

poptopjr
03-26-2012, 11:50 AM
Pistol: Smith & Wesson M&P 9
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: S&B 115gr, American Eagle 124gr, Hornady Critical Defense 115gr, Speer Gold Dot 124 +P, Speer Gold Dot 147gr, Federal HST 124 +P
Dates of testing: Jan 15-March 26, 2012
Total rounds fired: 2,018
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

This is the first pistol I have ever purchased. I have shot pistols before, but not even close to the volume that I am shooting this pistol. This S&W was purchased NIB in January with a test fire date of December 2011 (can't remember the exact day). Based on my limited experience and obvious lack of ability I will refrain from passing judgement on 25 yard accuracy. I can confirm that it functions every time I pull the trigger, at least so far.

I look forward to many trouble free rounds.

vecdran
04-05-2012, 07:05 PM
Pistol: Glock Gen 4 G34
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: PMC 115gr FMJ, Winchester 147gr FMJ, Reloaded 130PF 147gr FMJ, Federal HST 124gr +P JHP
Dates of testing: 03/21/12 - 04/04/12
Total rounds fired: 2,032
Stoppages: 4
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
Gun was intially run with a full Ghost Rocket trigger kit and Warren Sevigny Competition Sights (FO), and a dab of Froglube paste on the striker. At about 1,700 rounds I swapped the stock striker spring back in to up the pull weight, and make the break crisper.

The first stoppage was a FTE while shooting bench rested, very weak grip, with my low PF 147gr reloads. Case never fully left chamber. Next two stoppages were stovepipes with the same ammuntion, shooting WHO. Last stoppage was a light primer strike with PMC 115gr, which fired upon next chambering.

I'm fairly happy with how the gun performed. Granted, zero stoppages would have been fantastic, but I can link three of the stoppages to very lightly loaded ammuntion and limp wristing. The last stoppage I cannot account for. I have heard some reports of high primers on PMC, so I might have seated it with the first strike.

Have to say, appears I got a really good barrel. Shot a 1" group at 25 yards with the Federal HST.

DonovanM
04-06-2012, 11:17 PM
Have to say, appears I got a really good barrel. Shot a 1" group at 25 yards with the Federal HST.

Woof! That's what I'm talkin' bout.

I've only got around 350 through my G34 G4 but I've had 4 failure to lock backs. Every single one of them my fault for riding the slide release. Once I get my grip ironed out (I don't always ride it) I'll give the 2k challenge a shot.

vecdran
04-07-2012, 01:50 AM
This gun is meshing well with me. When I'm not honking on the trigger like a retard, doubles at 7yds are holding within about a four inch group for me, ~.18-.20 splits. I have been trying to attain that kind of accuracy at full speed with my P30L for a very long time.

JHC
04-07-2012, 07:15 AM
Pistol: Glock Gen 4 G34
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: PMC 115gr FMJ, Winchester 147gr FMJ, Reloaded 130PF 147gr FMJ, Federal HST 124gr +P JHP
Dates of testing: 03/21/12 - 04/04/12
Total rounds fired: 2,032
Stoppages: 4
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
Gun was intially run with a full Ghost Rocket trigger kit and Warren Sevigny Competition Sights (FO), and a dab of Froglube paste on the striker. At about 1,700 rounds I swapped the stock striker spring back in to up the pull weight, and make the break crisper.

The first stoppage was a FTE while shooting bench rested, very weak grip, with my low PF 147gr reloads. Case never fully left chamber. Next two stoppages were stovepipes with the same ammuntion, shooting WHO. Last stoppage was a light primer strike with PMC 115gr, which fired upon next chambering.

I'm fairly happy with how the gun performed. Granted, zero stoppages would have been fantastic, but I can link three of the stoppages to very lightly loaded ammuntion and limp wristing. The last stoppage I cannot account for. I have heard some reports of high primers on PMC, so I might have seated it with the first strike.

Have to say, appears I got a really good barrel. Shot a 1" group at 25 yards with the Federal HST.

DAYIM!!! And here I was day dreaming of someday getting a match grade barrel fitted to a G34 to get to that level!

Moshe Dayan
04-17-2012, 09:51 PM
Pistol: CZ-75B Omega
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: Tula 115 gr., RWS 124 gr., Winchester NATO 124 gr., Federal Champion 115 gr., WWB 115 gr., Winchester Ranger Bonded "ZRA9B" 147 gr., Winchester Ranger Bonded "RA9B" 147 gr., Reloads - 125 gr. LRN on 4 gr. of Bullseye
Total rounds fired: 2,017
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments: Prior to starting this test the pistol had roughly 2000 rounds through it. The only problems experienced in those rounds were a squib and light primer strikes on Tula using a 13lb hammer spring. Re-installing the stock spring alleviated the light primer strikes. I intended to continue the test, but was forced to clean the pistol when while carrying it became submerged in brackish water and remained wet for several hours, resulting in light rust on worn surfaces. The pistol still functions flawlessly in the several hundred rounds fired since. On a somewhat related note the ammunition in the gun at the time, Winchester Ranger Bonded, still worked fine afterward.

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Cosmo M3
04-20-2012, 08:31 PM
Pistol: FN FNS-9
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: Winchester White Box 115gr, Sellier & Bellot 115gr, GECO 124gr, Aguila 124gr, Remington UMC 115gr, Tulammo 115gr, Federal Range Ammo 115gr, Speer Lawman 147gr
Dates of Testing: February 2012 - April 20, 2012
Total Rounds Fired: 2050

Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:

No drama

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JV_
04-23-2012, 04:25 PM
Pistol: Sig 226
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: (2570) Reloads, (100) AE 124g
Dates of testing: 3/2-4/22
Total rounds fired: 2670
Stoppages: 3 Failures to Lock Back (Shooter Induced), 2 Failures to Fully Seat Mag / Holstered Reload (Shooter Induced).
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

GOP
04-23-2012, 04:36 PM
Pistol: Walther PPQ
Caliber: 9x19
Ammunition: 115 grain CCI Blazer.
Dates of Testing: 3/19/12 - 4/18/12
Total Rounds Fired: 4,717.
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Gun functioned perfectly.

Up1911Fan
04-29-2012, 02:29 PM
Pistol: Gen4 Glock 26 ( Gen4 G17 trigger bar, Ghost Tactical 5.0 Connector with fitted TCT, Vickers Slide Release, Glockmeister Frame Plug, Vickers Gen4 Mag Catch (added during challenge), Ameriglo sights ( ProGlo front, Plain Black .165' rear, polished internals
Caliber:9mm
Ammo: Federal Champion 115gr FMJ, WWB 115gr FMJ, Speer Lawman 115gr FMJ, Winchester Ranger T 127gr +p+
Dates:11/1/2011-4/1/2012
Total Rounds: 2,650
Stoppages:3, all three were FTRTB with Federal Champion
Malfunctions:0
Breakages:0

Comments: This is my primary carry gun in the summer. It had a little over 1,500 rounds through it before I started this challenge and my own better record keeping. All 3 failures were in my opinion ammo related as the weaker Federal Champion failed to fully cycle the slide. All 3 were from the same 100 round box.

PPGMD
05-05-2012, 02:44 PM
Pistol: Smith & Wesson M&P 9 Pro
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: BVAC 1,000rd bulk pack 115gr, BVAC Xtreme Defense 124gr JHP (variety of bullets used), Federal Champion 115gr, and Atlanta Arms & Ammo 115gr JHP Match (Hornandy XTP)
Dates of testing: 01/11/2012-04/12/2012
Total rounds fired: 2,523 round
Stoppages: One failure to fire with BVAC Extreme Defense, wasn't able to recover the round (TRB'd during a match) so not sure what caused it.
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Internal Modifications: Apex D/C AEK, Apex Competition Striker Spring, and an Apex RAM.

Comments: Gun had 1,300 rounds fired through it before starting with no issues. It was only cleaned because it was last shot in Florida with it's very fine sand, so I decided to clean the gun, and magazines before today's match.

ChrisG
05-16-2012, 10:39 PM
Pistol: Gen 4 Glock 17 (Blue Label if that matters)
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 124 Gr Blazer TMJ CF, 124 Gr Aguila FMJ
Dates of testing: 5/4-5/14 2012
Total rounds fired: 2,485
Stoppages: 1 (Bad primer on Blazer TMJ)
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
Bought new from Glock LE Dealer on May 2nd. Fired 100 rounds at local range, took it to Rogers, and one more local range trip. Replaced sites and installed Vickers slide release on day of purchase, otherwise stock. Single malfunction was a FTF which occurred during WHO stage of test 6 at Rogers. Recovered round had a good primer strike but had not ignited.

Robinson
05-19-2012, 05:16 PM
Pistol: Springfield Armory Loaded Target
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Federal 115gr fmj, Federal Champion 115gr fmj, PMC 115gr fmj
Dates of testing: 2/18-5/19 2012
Total rounds fired: 2,070
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Modifications:

Removed ILS main spring housing, replaced with S&A combination mag well/MHS
Installed 12lb recoil spring, 24lb main spring
VZ grip panels

Comments:

Before starting, I cleaned the gun and lubed it with SlipStream oil. No additional cleaning or lube was done during the test.

The 9-round Metalform magazines shipped with the gun work fine. I bought a few Wilson Combat 10-round mags and these work for the most part but occasionally the first round fails to feed. I also purchased some Metalform 10-round mags which work very well. I used Metalform magazines throughout the test.

Sherman A. House DDS
05-21-2012, 11:23 AM
Pistol: STI Spartan V
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Federal 115 grain FMJ, WWB 115 grain FMJ, Remington 115 grain +P JHP, WPA 115 grain FMJ (steel cased)
Dates of testing: April 10, 2012 to May 20, 2012
Total rounds fired: 2250
Stoppages: 2
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Modifications:
Removed the full length guide rod, and replaced it will a GI short rod, an a GI plug, before the gun ever fired one round!

Comments:
After swapping out the parts listed above, I lubed it up with CWP and some red grease, then began, "the test."

In the first 500 rounds, I had to failures to go into battery, using the metal form magazine (OEM) and the Remington 115 grain JHP's. I used five, TRIPP Cobra 9mm magazines for the rest of the time, and they worked 100% They are just slightly longer than the OEM (flush) fitting mag, but not so obtrusive that they couldn't be used for CCW. I was really apprehensive about the FO front sight that came on the gun, but after putting mag after mag through the gun on steel targets, I'm almost a believer. This is REALLY a fun gun to shoot! Weighing some 39 ounces, even with hot ammo, it handled it well!

ToddG
05-21-2012, 01:22 PM
Comments:
After swapping out the parts listed above, I lubed it up with CWP and some red grease.

Then the gun didn't go through the 2,000 Round Challenge. I'd say that changing the recoil mechanism part way through the test would also probably be considered a disqualification.

Sherman A. House DDS
05-21-2012, 01:29 PM
Then the gun didn't go through the 2,000 Round Challenge. I'd say that changing the recoil mechanism part way through the test would also probably be considered a disqualification.

I should've worded that better. I never fired a round before switching out the parts. I just don't like the FLGR system, so I ditched it outright, from the outset. Does that still disqualify it?

ToddG
05-21-2012, 01:59 PM
If you didn't change any parts or add any lube during the actual firing of the 2k rounds, then absolutely it's within the test and I apologize for the misunderstanding!

Sherman A. House DDS
05-21-2012, 03:03 PM
If you didn't change any parts or add any lube during the actual firing of the 2k rounds, then absolutely it's within the test and I apologize for the misunderstanding!

Thank you Todd. Sorry...I'll be more concise next time! I have a S&W SHIELD that is just about through the test I'll be posting soon, too.

jetfire
05-30-2012, 12:34 PM
I never thought I'd write this post.

Pistol: EAA Witness Elite Stock II
Caliber: .38 Super
Ammunition: Winchester 130 grain FMJ, PMC 130 grain FMJ, DC Ammo 115 grain match JHP, Atlanta Arms 115 grain match JHP
Dates of testing: 05/14/2012 - 05/29/2012
Total rounds fired: 2500
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
After shooting the gun in a USPSA match on 5/13, I cleaned, lubricated, and re-assembled the Witness, starting the test on 5/14. During that time it had numerous range sessions indoors at West Coast Armory Indoor Range, on the practice range at the Bianchi Cup, and of course firing the Bianchi Cup. I never even meant for it to go through the 2000 round challenge, I was planning on lubricating it during the Cup and I just plain old forgot. I'm pleasantly surprised by how well this gun's performed, and its performance caused to re-evaluate some of my opinions about the Tanfoglio pistols.

jslaker
06-16-2012, 07:40 PM
Pistol: Smith & Wesson M&P Full Size
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 124gr Aguila
Dates of Testing: 4/17/12 - 6/16/12
Total Rounds Fired: 2100
Stoppages: 6
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments: Stoppage count looks unusually high, but isn't without explanation. 5 of the stoppages were 100% user-induced failures to lock back on empty; they were all caused by riding the slide stop when I was fidding with grip positioning and backstrap sizes. While reported as stoppages, I don't hold that against the gun whatsoever.

The final stoppage was a round that did not ignite. I reset the weapon and attempted to fire it 3-4 more times with no success. The primer had a deep striker hit on it, but I didn't have convenient access to another 9mm gun to try it in, so it counts as a stoppage per the rules of the challenge. This happened at roughly the 1600 round mark; there were no further failures in the remaining 500 rounds that went through the gun.

EDIT:

Some photos of the gun post test: http://imgur.com/23GDQ,0NG0f,CNaUu,pm9wu,NrFPD,uYoJz

I think this one is my favorite:

http://i.imgur.com/uYoJz.jpg

Just because the silver trigger bar is nearly indistinguishable from the polymer frame. :cool:

Jared
07-16-2012, 05:20 PM
Pistol: Beretta 92FS, US Manufactured
Caliber: 9mm
Ammo: Handload, 115gr Oregon Trail Lead Round Nose, WW231 powder
Dates: March 1, 2012 - July 15, 2012
Total Rounds Fired: 2700
Stoppages: 1
Malfunctions: 0
Parts Breakages: 0

Comments:

I did this test on this gun because it's a backup to my primary Beretta, a 92A1. I wanted to use up the rest of the unjacketed bullets I had in inventory. The total loaded up was 2740, but about 20 of them went through my Dad's Browning Hi-Power, so I'm counting the test as 2700. The only stoppage occurred around the 2300 round mark when I was loading the gun prior to holstering and it didn't fully go into battery. A smack on the back of the slide sent it the rest of the way home.

What impressed me the most about this was how filthy the gun got. I did the challenge last year on the A1 with jacketed ammo, and it got nowhere near as dirty as this gun did. There were thick, heavy deposits of the lube that had burned off the bullets throughout the area where the rear of the barrel and breechface met, as well as around the locking block and those associated areas. The gun truly did well in my opinion.

BLR
07-17-2012, 07:12 AM
Pistol: Wilson Combat CQB
Caliber: 45ACP
Ammo: Handload, 200g Precision Bullets LSWC (moly coated), mixed brass, mixed primers, 4.8g Bullseye, 1.240 OAL, 0.469 crimp, loaded on Dillon 1050 Super
Dates: May 21, 2012 - July 16, 2012
Total Rounds Fired: 2850
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 3 (failure to lock back on empty)
Parts Breakages: 0

The failure to lock back was due to weak mag springs, and happened on the first range session, with 3 separate, well used 47Ds. Mag springs replaced, and no further issues were encountered.

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/blriehl/Miami-20120710-00751.jpg

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/blriehl/Miami-20120710-00750.jpg

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/blriehl/Miami-20120710-00754.jpg

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/blriehl/Miami-20120710-00755.jpg

Cheers!

JAD
07-17-2012, 01:05 PM
Pistol: Browning Mark 3 High Power, lanyard loop and flag safety variant, israeli surplus. Magazine safety removed.
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: Aguila 124 FMJ, S&B 115 FMJ, CCI Lawman 115 TMJ, a wide variety of standard pressure, +P, and +P+ JHPs
Dates of Testing: 21 May 2012 through 17 July 2012
Total rounds fired: 2,130
Stoppages, Malfunctions, or Breakages: None.

Comments: The pistol was purchased in April. It had been rode hard and put away wet, and now that it's reliability has been reasonably established it is destined for new sights, a better thumb safety, and a refinish. Between now and whenever that project gets funded, it goes in the safe. It's a keeper. Militec 1 was used with great results. I was pleased with the performance of both S&B and Aguila.

ToddG
07-18-2012, 07:16 PM
Pistol: Springfield Armory Custom Shop Warren Tactical 9mm 1911
Ammo: CCI 124gr TMJ Blazer Cleanfire; Federal P9HST3 (124gr +p HST)
Dates: Saturday July 14 through Wednesday July 18
Total Rounds Fired: 2,018
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Parts Breakages: 0

Comments: At the 1,637 round mark I replaced the stock mag catch with an Ed Brown extended version which I fitted myself. Given that I'd never fitted a mag catch to a 1911 before, this was probably a bad idea in the middle of a 2K Challenge. Nonetheless, everything worked as intended.

For the first time since I began these 2K Challenges, I feel genuinely guilty about putting my pistol through that and will be cleaning it soon.

Corey
07-29-2012, 11:19 AM
Pistol: Smith & Wesson M&P Pro 5 inch
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 50 rounds Winchester Ranger-T, 50 rounds Federal HST, 500 rounds Federal American Eagle, 100 rounds Federal Champion, remainder was my handloads with plated bullets.
Dates of testing:1 May 2012 to 28 July 2012.
Total rounds fired: 3,081 (I was enthusiastic, well actually too lazy to clean the gun.)

Stoppages: 1
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Notes: The gun was completely stock, I cleaned it and lubricated it with TW25B and started the test. My only stoppage was between 400 and 500 rounds with a handload where I had a failure to fire. Primer showed a light strike. I rechambered the cartridge and it fired normally on the next try.

Slavex
07-29-2012, 07:32 PM
Pistol: CZ Shadow 2012 Special, Canadian Version
Ammo: Handloads, 3.6gr Tightgroup, 147gr CamPro Plated Bullet, Federal SPP
Dates: Friday July 13th 2012 to Tuesday July 24th 2012
Total Rounds Fired: 2,142
Stoppages: 3
Malfunctions: 0
Parts Breakages: 0

Comments: I had a 6.0mm tall front sight installed the day I picked the gun up from the dealer. I then hit my range and fired 200 rounds through the gun. Once I got the gun home I swapped out the trigger and lubed that area, I also swapped my 11lb main spring (factory part I picked up in Greece)I didn't clean the gun though, so technically most of the gun has fired 2,342 rounds. During the next 700 rounds I had two jams, One was a 9x21 case that made it through my reloading setup, it obviously shouldn't feed in the gun. The next was a mushed primer that again, the gun shouldn't have fed. On July 17th I had the 3rd jam in the gun, another mushed primer that prevented the gun from feeding the round all the way into battery, when clearing the gun that primer then fell out and got down behind the trigger bar (pics in this thread (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?4769-New-IPSC-Canada-CZ-Shadow)). I don't count these against the gun in any way shape or form, but in keeping with Todd's way of reporting I feel it necessary to mention them. Plus the fallen out primer is just kind of cool.

kmartphoto
08-03-2012, 07:02 PM
question... am I allowed to wipe the outside of the gun off? particularly I have a FO front sight. its getting pretty cruddy.

KeeFus
08-24-2012, 06:34 PM
Pistol: S&W M&P 45 Mid-Size
Ammo: CCI Lawman; CCI Gold-Dot; Atlanta Arms & Ammo reman; and some reloads. All rounds were 230 gr.
Dates: 11/10/2011 through 08/24/2012
Total Rounds Fired: 2,145
Stoppages: 6
Malfunctions: 0
Parts Breakages: 0


This is my duty weapon in its factory configuration. As some of you that frequent this forum know, when I got home from getting issued and qualifying with this weapon I discovered I had a magazine spring that was bent. You can read that here (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?2177-M-amp-P-45-magazines). After a lethargic response from S&W CS I finally received some new magazine springs. All the stoppages were magazine spring related during this test. Needless to say, I've replaced most of my green painted springs.

Other than the spring issue this weapon has run like a top. I'm just glad that I can now clean this filthy thing...it was making the Lt. nervous. :rolleyes:

A few pics:

http://i.imgur.com/wyhkT.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/IsRqa.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/fdOCv.jpg

Nephrology
09-11-2012, 07:47 PM
Nothing in the rules says it has to be centerfire, so here goes...

Pistol: Ruger MkIII 22/45
Ammo: CCI Minimag, CCI Std. Velocity, Winchester White Box, Winchester Value Pack, Probably some others.
Dates: Jan 2012 to Aug 2012
Total Rounds Fired: 2,150
Stoppages: ~10
Malfunctions: 0
Parts Breakages: 0

All stoppages were bad ammo, which shouldn't be a surprise in a .22... Usually went bang on a second hit.

kmartphoto
09-20-2012, 11:09 PM
Pistol: Combat Precision custom 1911 "Jackpot" by Chris James
Ammo: 120-mixed in a ziplock some new, some old, mostly BVAC, some G.I. issue from who knows when some were tracer rounds; 50-WWB hollow point "personal defense"; 50 Seer Gold Dot230grn; 60 Federal Hydroshock 230grn; 1000 Aguila 230grn; 869 Prvi Partizan 230grn
Dates: 8/13-9/20/2012
Total Rounds Fired: 2,149
Stoppages: 1* bad mag
Malfunctions: 0
Parts Breakages: 0


In the spring of 2011 my good friend and contributor here Jason Fobart (http://www.jasonfobart.com/) started telling me about this 1911 smith that he had met and was starting to do photographs for. Turns out Chris James of Combat Precision (https://www.facebook.com/CombatPrecision) is here in Atlanta. Jason showed me a few of his amazing photographs of pistols that Chris had completed recently. As a 1911 nerd I was impressed. Jason & Chris invited me out to a weekend cabin retreat to hang out and shoot guns along with some local SWAT guys and other operator types. The highlight of that for me (besides teaching a Marine just back from Afghanistan how to run an M1 Carbine) was shooting a gun that Chris had just finished and was shipping out to a customer in Las Vegas.

this gun:

http://imageshack.us/a/img208/3152/jpfront.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img802/9913/jpside.jpg



I was convinced then that I needed to get on this guys list to make me a gun. But of course money is always a factor and coming from the world of "go down to the store and buy what you want" the idea of waiting a year or more for something just made me crazy.

Well over the next few months Chris helped me tweak a few guns I had, and the idea grew larger in my mind. I wanted that gun that I had shot in October. I started gathering cash to put my name in the hat for a build… well low and behold the original owner of "Jackpot" decided that he was going to consolidate his collection of 1911s down to rail guns only and put his up for sale. I contacted him and after getting a little more scratch together the gun was in route to my FFL.

After arrival I of course found a few things I wanted to change… its a 1911 you gotta a tweak right? I had Chris swap out the Trigicon Novak front sight for a 10-8 fiber optic and had him rework the trigger so that the break and reset were perfect for me.

Day one after getting it back I put 400 rounds through it without a hitch. On the way home I decided to be the anti 1911 nerd. Most people would buy the most expensive pistol of their lives and put it in a safe and bring it out once in while to show off or fondle… not me lets blast.

I had 5 brand new Wilson ETMs and 3 cases of ammo just in time to go shoot… and not clean. My Schedule with work was a bit wacky so I didn't go through the 2000 rounds as fast as I had hoped. But along the way I carried the gun and shot several IDPA matches. In the hot GA sun, in the pouring rain during 2 IDPA matches, shoot 3-500, then let it bake in a sweaty holster, every time you pull the trigger this gun goes bang.

http://imageshack.us/a/img339/3985/1209020085.jpg
Shooting in the rain

Except for one mag induced malfunction the gun has been a flawless tack driver.

On mag #3 of my new ETMs during dry fire I dropped the mag onto my tile kitchen floor and the follower popped out , I put it back in and didn't think much of it until the following Sunday at a match. I was overshooting as usual, and went for a reload, drop the slide and *whap* double feed. Immediate action, I saw the two rounds jammed in the breach so I stripped, racked and slammed a new mag in to finish the stage. I deadlined the mag to look at later, once I got home I could take the mag and tap it against my palm and the follower would pop out. If I put rounds in it I could shake the mag and rounds fly out… obvious feed lip out of speck issue.

Well after much TL;DR here are dirty pics of the newly renamed "Pigpen". Note the caked on red clay and hand gook… that carries through to the inside, I found mud and bits of burned up pine straw on the outside of the barrel near the lugs.



http://imageshack.us/a/img402/9351/cptjackpot0912054.jpg
on top of some of the brass from the test


http://imageshack.us/a/img89/677/cptjackpot0912021.jpg
pulled the slide off to get a better view of the gunk, drew back a handfull of black


http://imageshack.us/a/img571/4954/cptjackpot0912016.jpg
Mostly just baked on powder crud. Frog Lube works folks!


Chris wants me to keep shooting till something breaks... but the lack of Hoppes smell in my house is sending me into withdrawals.

Next on the list after cleaning is a new rear sight that Chris has designed and a Wilson flat wire recoil spring. Then maybe another few thousand rounds of abuse.

MDS
09-21-2012, 07:22 AM
Except for one mag induced malfunction the gun has been a flawless tack driver.

That's a beaut! I don't think to many other 1911's will run like that with no lube. Can you tell us more about the gun? How tight or rattly is it? What's the finish?

kmartphoto
09-21-2012, 08:43 AM
That's a beaut! I don't think to many other 1911's will run like that with no lube.

I was lubed with Froglube before the test but yeah it was basically dry at the end.


Can you tell us more about the gun?

Caspian frame & Slide, can't remember where the magwell came from but its been cut on anyway, most of the internals are Wilson BP, Kart Barrel.

There is a gallery with build pictures on the Combat Precision Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.264356183597049.71345.199889123377089&type=3

accuracy is between laser beam and phazer :)


How tight or rattly is it?

Every peice is hand fitted and Chris is a stickler for thousands. It is not "tight" as in hard to actuate but there is not a millimeter of slop. The action feels smooth and solid like nothing I have shot other than another of Chris's guns. Note the wear marks on the frame & slide in the picture above the wear is minimal and consistant across all the bearing surfaces not more in some areas and less in others like you see when a gun is breaking in.

The gun didn't need a break in because it was already fitting perfectly.The original buyer probably didn't shoot 100 through it before I bought it from him, I put ~350 through before I had the trigger tweaked and the sight changed. Before this test run it looked like a brand new gun.


What's the finish?

Duracoat over Parkerizing. It has a sort of matte finish halfway between straight park and an M&P.

Jason F
09-21-2012, 09:52 AM
.....can't remember where the magwell came from but its been cut on anyway......

I'm pretty sure it's an S&A magwell buddy.

kmartphoto
09-21-2012, 10:18 AM
I'm pretty sure it's an S&A magwell buddy.

me too... but either way.. it takes mags up its hole and spits em out.

MDS
09-21-2012, 10:57 AM
I was lubed with Froglube before the test but yeah it was basically dry at the end.

Nice, thanks for the details! I just shoot Glox so lube is redundant :cool: but I recently switched to FL from militec and I do notice that it sticks around longer.

The fact that this kind of build is available with "only" a year's wait brings me a lot closer to considering a nice 1911...

Robinson
09-21-2012, 12:17 PM
I have a Combat Commander built by the same guy and I agree his work is very good. He also takes care of his customers.

STS
09-21-2012, 01:54 PM
I knew I'd regret selling that gun! Nice to see you running it hard.

kmartphoto
09-21-2012, 02:24 PM
I knew I'd regret selling that gun! Nice to see you running it hard.

:)

hey brother! yep no way your getting it back now.

kmartphoto
09-21-2012, 03:26 PM
mariodsantana... actually the finish is KG 2400 Flat over Park, not Duracoat.

BLR
09-24-2012, 07:03 PM
Just ticked over 2k tonight. All with 200g Moly LSWC (Precision Bullets) w/ 5g Bullseye.

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/blriehl/Miami-20120924-01243.jpg

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/blriehl/Miami-20120924-01255.jpg

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/blriehl/Miami-20120924-01253.jpg

Colt makes a wicked 1911....

Detailed report to follow shortly!

kmartphoto
09-24-2012, 10:22 PM
Just ticked over 2k tonight. All with 200g Moly LSWC (Precision Bullets) w/ 5g Bullseye.

http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/blriehl/Miami-20120924-01243.jpg


Colt makes a wicked 1911....

Detailed report to follow shortly!

NICE!

man... is it the Bullseye making all that gritty looking crud? Your other test gun looked wet and cruddy like that too. Mine was dry and powdery almost.

ETA: glad you like the "laying on a pile o brass" pic :cool:

kmartphoto
10-01-2012, 10:23 PM
Detailed report to follow shortly!

*taps foot impatiently*

MDS
10-02-2012, 12:11 AM
I was lubed with Froglube before the test but yeah it was basically dry at the end.

Sorry, just one more question: did you use the Froglube paste, or the liquid?

JM Campbell
10-07-2012, 09:21 AM
Pistol: M&P9FS
Ammo: 124 gr. Aguila, 124 gr. DP RN reloads
Round Count: 3050; 1500 fact. Aguila, 1550 reloads.
Stoppages: 2
Malfunctions: 5
Dates: July - Oct 5 2012
Lube: Froglube

Full apex trigger kit, CTC laser grip, Trijicon HD sights, Costa mag release, apex extractor. No other mods.

1k Aguila fired at F2S class Oct 5.

3 of 5 malfuctions where spent casing stuck in chamber on my reloads. Slide was stuck out of battery, hard tap/rack did not fix. Slammed slide back with weak hand then field strip to remove casing. Referred to apex site and realized the extractor was culprit. Apex extractor required a 200-300 rd wear in, also coinsides with stoppages below using out of spec reloads. No further issues.

2 of 5 malfunctions were slide did not return to full forward/chambering next round. Switched to fact. Aguila for remainder of day no issues. Inspected remaining reloads afterwards and found out of spec crimp (press was readjusted no more issues)

2 stoppages were FTF fact. Aguila second strike went bang.

I will test again.


Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I727 using Tapatalk 2

kmartphoto
10-08-2012, 02:40 PM
Sorry, just one more question: did you use the Froglube paste, or the liquid?

Mostly the paste. I use the paste on the rails etc and the liquid on barrel link & barrel. I tend toward the old army doctrine of "if it rubs grease it if it spins oil it". Realistically though I think the paste dissolves to be allot like the liquid, I just find it easier to apply whee I want without getting too much.

quack
10-10-2012, 08:11 PM
Pistol: Custom 2011
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 115 grain Blazer (aluminum), 115 grain Winchester White Box.
Dates of testing: 7/12-7/14
Total rounds fired: 2,050
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0
Lube: Slide-Glide Lite and Kellube M12

Comments:
I am the 4th owner of this and I think that between the previous 3 owners there was less than 2000rds through it. The gun was built in 2007.
My 3rd outing with the gun was for the Costa Ludus HE01 class. I used 1750rds of Blazer and 300rds of WWB. Lube used was Slide-Glide lite and Kellube.
My friend Allen (TSiWRX on the gun forums) was there and was impressed that it ran flawlessly, while other guns (polymers included) had issues. His XDm had issues as well. I used 10 different mags in the class. 8 were 140mm and 2 were 126mm mags. All mags were tuned by myself.

at the end of day 3 and receiving my coin.
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/i-3HdnTgq/0/L/i-3HdnTgq-L.jpg

these were from when I cleaned the gun on 7/15
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/i-tpKW9Fx/0/L/i-tpKW9Fx-L.jpg

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/i-WxkMGxr/0/L/i-WxkMGxr-L.jpg

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/i-Kb2vGg5/0/L/i-Kb2vGg5-L.jpg

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/i-m8mNdXP/0/L/i-m8mNdXP-L.jpg

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/i-j5d6zzt/0/L/i-j5d6zzt-L.jpg

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/i-pkhMzt6/0/L/i-pkhMzt6-L.jpg

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/i-LjFGJPs/0/L/i-LjFGJPs-L.jpg

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/i-Z7vf62k/0/L/i-Z7vf62k-L.jpg

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/i-2rg9bVK/0/L/i-2rg9bVK-L.jpg

bigslim
11-20-2012, 06:07 PM
Pistol: S&W M&P FS
Caliber: 40 S&W
Ammunition: Mixture of Speer GDHP and Lawman, Federal, Winchester White Box, and Precision Ammunition Range Reloads
Dates of testing: 9/25 - 11/19
Total rounds fired: 2,000
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0
Lube: Ballistol to clean it an Slip Stream oil and grease.

http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j391/bigslim3k/IMG_0114.jpg

http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j391/bigslim3k/IMG_0123.jpg

http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j391/bigslim3k/IMG_0122-1.jpg

http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j391/bigslim3k/IMG_0117.jpg

I bought this brand new and other than the hit and miss auto forward with the first 300 rounds or so and the occasional brass in the forehead, this pistol has been trouble free. The auto forward is 100% reliable now and I have an Apex extractor that will take care of the erratic ejection issue.

Mike

WisconsinDan
12-06-2012, 11:41 AM
Show off! :)



Pistol: SIG P226R "Navy"

Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: American Eagle 124gr TMJ Lead-Free; American Eagle 147gr TMJ Lead-Free; Independence Ammo 124gr FMJ
Dates of testing: 3-Jan-07 to 26-Jan-07
Total rounds fired: 2,183

Stoppages: zero
Malfunctions: zero
Breakages: zero

Notes:
Pistol had 22,140 rounds through it before the test began. This pistol had previously suffered one squib round and numerous problems related to Remington UMC "Leadless" ammunition failing to fire and severely fouling the gun. Pistol was detailed stripped, had all springs replaced, and properly lubricated before the test.

After the 2,183 rounds reported above, the gun fired another 1,182 rounds (total: 3,365) before I decided to lubricate it because the slide felt a little sluggish when I loaded a magazine and chambered the first round.


Pistol: SIG P229R SRT

Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: American Eagle 124gr TMJ Lead-Free; Speer 124gr +p Gold Dot; American Eagle 115gr FMJ
Dates of testing: 29-Mar-07 to 06-Apr-07
Total rounds fired: 2,409

Stoppages: zero
Malfunctions: zero
Breakages: zero

Notes:
Pistol was NIB when test began.



Pistol: Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm (full size, no mag safety or lockout)

Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: American Eagle 124gr TMJ Lead-Free; American Eagle 124gr FMJ; Speed Gold Dot 124gr +p; Speer Gold Dot 115 +p+
Dates of testing: 21-Sep-07 & 22-Sep-07
Total rounds fired: 2,000

Stoppages: zero
Malfunctions: zero
Breakages: zero

Notes: pistol had fired 550 rounds prior to test; one feed malfunction was recorded during this initial period. Pistol was field stripped and cleaned per owner's manual instructions and lubricated with Mili-Tec prior to 2,000 round test. No stoppages of any kind were experienced during the 2,000 rounds. Testing conducted during four shooting sessions over two days.



Pistol: Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm (full size, mag safety, no lockout)

Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: CCI Blazer (aluminum) 115gr; Federal 124gr +p HST
Dates of testing: 25-April-08 through 2-May-08
Total rounds fired: 2,299

Stoppages: zero
Malfunctions: zero
Breakages: zero

Notes: pistol had 519 rounds through it at time test began. There had been no(*) stoppages of any kind prior to the test beginning. Pistol was only lightly oiled per M&P manual before testing.

(*) Upon receiving the pistol, I immediately brought it to an armorer for a trigger change. Armorer forgot to re-install the ejector when putting the gun back together. In the first 50 rounds loaded in the gun, 20 resulted in failures to eject. I am not counting that first 50 rounds in the gun's "life cycle" for this reason. To the M&P's credit, it ejected 2/3 of the time without an ejector installed!


Pistol: Heckler & Koch P30 V4

Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: American Eagle 115gr; Atlanta Arms & Ammo 115gr TCJ; CCI Blazer 115gr; Federal 124gr +p HST (1)
Dates of testing: 2-Jul-09 through 8-Jul-09
Total rounds fired: 2,001

Stoppages: zero
Malfunctions: zero
Breakages: zero

Notes: This pistol had just shy of 10,000 rounds through it before the test began. Intermittent extraction problems had cropped up repeatedly and precluded the ability to run the gun for 2,000 rounds without maintenance. A trip back to HK-USA appears to have solved the trouble. Upon receiving the gun back from their gunsmith, the pistol was moderately cleaned, lubricated with Militec, and then proceeded to fire 2,001 rounds without any trouble over the course of three range sessions: 1,000 rounds, 300 rounds, and finally 701 rounds.

PPGMD
03-24-2013, 10:05 PM
Pistol: S&W M&P 9 Pro Series 5"
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 1,100 rounds of Surplus Ammo and Arms Reloads 115gr, 100 rounds of Freedom Munitions Reloads 147gr, 500 rounds Magtech 115gr, 806 rounds Freedom Munitions 115gr reloads.
Dates of testing: 03/17/2013 to 03/23/2013
Total rounds fired: 2,506 rounds
Stoppages: 2 (Failures to fire with Freedom Munitions 115gr reloads)
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0
Lube: Militec Grease
Modifications: Apex D/C AEK, Apex RAM, Apex Competition Striker Spring, Warren Tactical Fiber Optic Sights, polishing striker tab, and grip enhancements.

Comments: I honestly didn't set out to do this, simply laziness prevented me from relubricating my pistol until the night before I shot for score. Pistol had fired 9,572 rounds before this with little issues. And fired another 259 rounds with zero issues the next day after a quick wiping off the old grease and applying new grease. I didn't have a chance to shoot the rounds that caused the issue through a different pistol.

I don't have a S&W spring replacement schedule, so I replaced the stock recoil spring, Apex trigger spring, Apex Sear Spring, and competition striker spring at 7,500 rounds.

cjb1911
03-28-2013, 07:37 AM
Pistol: Custom Colt 1911 XSE Lightweight
Caliber: 45 ACP
Ammo:1200(230 BB w/ 4.7 WST) 1300(200 SWC BB 4.7 WST)
Dates of testing: 02/17/2012 to 03/25/2013
Total rounds fired: 2500 rds
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0
Lube: Slip 2000 + TW-25B
Modifications: Nowlin oversided barrel, EGW steel feed ramp installed, EGW thick oversized bushing and plug, 4# harrison long trigger w/ harrison ignition, front and back straps stippled, 10-8 rear, tritium front sight, EGW FPS, Brown Hardcore Extractor, Brown Beavertail, Wilson 47T and Tripp Research 8rd mags. 16# recoil spring,

Comments: I received this build back from the GS last february and immediately started the 2K challenge. All components were brand new except the frame. Ran two high round count classes with it.

GJM
03-28-2013, 10:45 AM
Pistol: Custom Colt 1911 XSE Lightweight
Caliber: 45 ACP
Ammo:1200(230 BB w/ 4.7 WST) 1300(200 SWC BB 4.7 WST)
Dates of testing: 02/17/2012 to 03/25/2013
Total rounds fired: 2500 rds
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0
Lube: Slip 2000 + TW-25B
Modifications: Nowlin oversided barrel, EGW steel feed ramp installed, EGW thick oversized bushing and plug, 4# harrison long trigger w/ harrison ignition, front and back straps stippled, 10-8 rear, tritium front sight, EGW FPS, Brown Hardcore Extractor, Brown Beavertail, Wilson 47T and Tripp Research 8rd mags. 16# recoil spring,

Comments: I received this build back from the GS last february and immediately started the 2K challenge. All components were brand new except the frame. Ran two high round count classes with it.


Very impressive for a LW! i would love to see how it did with 2,000 rounds of JHP.

cjb1911
03-28-2013, 10:54 AM
Very impressive for a LW! i would love to see how it did with 2,000 rounds of JHP.

It has a steel feed ramp installed so I wouldn't expect jhps to cause any issues.

GJM
03-28-2013, 11:17 AM
I was thinking of reliability not just dinging the ramp.

In my experience, there is a very high probability a steel 1911 will run, but even when done by the best makers, alloy/lw 1911's are a much less certain proposition to run. My sample is about a dozen over the years, including Heinie, Wilson, Nighthawk, JoJo's, Baer and probably others I have forgotten -- some run and others don't, and neither the price or builder seem to be predictive.

JAD
03-28-2013, 11:42 AM
In my experience, there is a very high probability a steel 1911 will run, but even when done by the best makers, alloy/lw 1911's are a much less certain proposition to run. My sample is about a dozen over the years, including Heinie, Wilson, Nighthawk, JoJo's, Baer and probably others I have forgotten -- some run and others don't, and neither the price or builder seem to be predictive.
-- I have a decent sample size. I had a Colt Mark IV .45 finished by Robar and a Colt XSE .38 finished by Wilson, both of which have gone to good round counts. Both have had occasional issues but in general run extremely well. I am currently breaking in a 1968 Colt finished by MARS and a Dan Wesson CCO; both run well (though the DW didn't like the Checkmate magazines it came with) through a few hundred rounds. The only alloy gun I've had that didn't run was a Kimber Ultra Compact or whatever with an external extractor.

cjb1911
03-28-2013, 12:23 PM
I was thinking of reliability not just dinging the ramp.

In my experience, there is a very high probability a steel 1911 will run, but even when done by the best makers, alloy/lw 1911's are a much less certain proposition to run. My sample is about a dozen over the years, including Heinie, Wilson, Nighthawk, JoJo's, Baer and probably others I have forgotten -- some run and others don't, and neither the price or builder seem to be predictive.

Interesting... I have a few thousand 230 JHPs I can test. This is my one and only alloy 1911. All the others are govt steel. So far I have been very satisfied with the xse lw.

ToddG
03-29-2013, 12:21 PM
Gents -- Just a reminder, please keep this thread for reports about guns tested. If you want to discuss a particular gun or test, start a dedicated thread for that. Thanks.

GJM
04-13-2013, 11:51 AM
Sig 226R, made in 2012
Rounds fired 8,590
Stoppages, malfunctions, parts breakage = 0
Ammo used: wide variety of carry JHP and practice ball
Maintenance: I ran a bore snake thru it about 4 times and added some grease 4 times
Stock except for Heinie sights and a JV trimmed slide stop
Dates: January thru yesterday

I really didn't start this as a 2,000 round challenge, but rather an effort to try to learn how to shoot a Sig DA/SA.

GJM
04-21-2013, 02:35 PM
Gen 4, Glock 17, first three letters PPS (I believe made in 2011)
polished minus connector GlockTriggers Guardian trigger, grip plug, Warren Tactical rear sight, Heinie .235 front, Gadget

Dates of test: 600 rounds over the life of the pistol since new, and then 1,400 rounds between 4/16/2013 -- 4/21/2013
Rounds fired: 2,000
Ammo: Mix of practice ball (many kinds and many carry loads)
Stoppages, parts breakages, malfunctions: 0
Cleaning, maintenance: none (as per the TLG way)

themonk
06-26-2013, 04:18 PM
Pistol: Glock 19 Gen 4 with Trijicon RMR installed by ATEi
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 115 Sellier and Bellot, 115 Herter's
Dates of testing: 5/10 - 6/25, 2013
Total rounds fired: 2,100
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Notes:
The G19 was purchased in 2011 and was flawless from the start. The pistol was sent to ATEi in March 2013 for milling and fitting of a Trijicon RMR. I wanted to test to 2k after the RMR install to verify reliability as this is my EDC.

JSGlock34
08-18-2013, 09:57 PM
Pistol: Glock 17 GEN 4 FDE
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 115 grain Blazer FMJ; 147 grain Ranger JHP (RA9B)
Dates of testing: 4/16 - 8/17, 2013
Total rounds fired: 2,000
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

My recently purchased GEN4 Glock 17 FDE passed the 2000 round challenge last night during Travis Haley's Disruptive Environments D3 Handgun/Vehicle/Darkness course (http://www.haleystrategic.com/downloads/D3_handgun_darkness.pdf) (observations by Arclight here (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?9297-Travis-Haley-s-Disruptive-Environments-Handgun-Vehicle-Darkness-Class-Observations&p=154827#post154827)). During the course the pistol was fired with and without a Surefire X300 Ultra, from a variety of unconventional positions, both inside and outside of vehicles. When I returned home, I noticed that the pistol, magazines and holsters were coated in the fine dust that covered the range - but performance was never affected.

Other than the Haley Strategic Partners course, this pistol was used during my monthly practice sessions and during several KSTG matches.

Pistol was lubricated with Militec-1 at the start of testing. Trijicon HD night sights were installed and internal components were polished. A GEN3 Glock OEM trigger bar, Glock OEM (-) connector, Glock OEM Extended Magazine Release and Pearce Grip Plug were also installed.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x131/JSGlock34/Glock17_zpsdd91b2fc.jpg

Corey
08-28-2013, 01:38 PM
Pistol: Smith & Wesson M&P full size
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Winchester Ranger-T 147 grain (50 rounds), Federal HST 147 grain (100 rounds) Federal American Eagle (200 rounds), the remainder was handloads using Berry’s plated 124 grain round nose bullets and HS-6 powder.
Dates of testing: 6/8/2013 – 8/24/2013
Total rounds fired: 2,196

Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
This M&P I purchased used. Date on test case is 5/2012. I installed the Apex DCAEK trigger kit, cleaned and lubricated with Mobil 1 synthetic wheel bearing grease before starting the test. The last day of the test was a steel match where magazines were getting dropped in light, powdery dirt and there was high winds with a lot of blowing dust but the gun just kept running fine.

KevinB
10-09-2013, 12:26 PM
Pistol: Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm CORE w/ Leupold Delta Point MRDS
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: WWB 115gr Ball (except 150rds of Ranger 124gr JHP)
Dates of testing: 8/18/2013 – 10/07/2013
Total rounds fired: 2,875

Stoppages: 3*
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

My wife bought this gun for my for Christmas of 2012, however it did not come into the shop until August - then as we had moved from FL, it had to be sent to to NOVA (VA Arms) and transferred here. All three stoppages have occurred due to USER error in auto-forwarding the gun (failure to auto-forward), shooting with TLG he has corrected my reload into incorporating a slide release in the event of auto-forward failure.

All rounds have been fired with the Leupold DeltaPoint affixed and a SureFire X300 Weapon Light.

This is also my EDC gun now.

Weapon was degreased when NIB and lubed with FIREClean -


Update 11/24/13 at 3,275
Two FTF - same round, I reloaded the round (night qual last week) and wanted to confirm the issue was - appears to be dead primer in WWB, primer was fairly struck)

Update 1/4/13 @ 5025 (ishwithin 10+/-) gun was cleaned in Dec again with FIREClean
no issues

dbateman
11-26-2013, 10:30 AM
Pistol: Colt 1911 mod 0
Caliber: 38Super
Ammunition: Hand loads 125gr cast projectiles made by Vindicator projectiles here in Au, over Ap70 or N105
Loaded on Dillon SDP or 1050.
Dates of testing: 1/6/2013 – 11/24/2013
Total rounds fired: 2,075

Stoppages: 1
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

I got a good deal on this pistol and thought I'd log how a plane Jane 1911 would run out of the box I striped and inspected the pistol.

Then lubed it with grease and 15w40 engine oil, I did not clean the pistol or re'lube it at any point during the year, it's not one of my normal pistols I would shoot so it took me a wile to make the 2000 round mark.

I did have one firing stoppage I am not sure why it stopped running I inspected the round and it looked ok and I reloaded it into a mag and it feed and fired as expected.

Here is a log of the shoots.

Jan 6th 2013. fired first 200 rounds,no issues.

April 28th 2013. 250 rounds fired,no issues.

May 12th 2013. 150 rounds fired,no issues.

May 26th 2013. 100 rounds fired,no issues.

May 28th 2013. 25 rounds fired,no issues.

June 9th 2013. 200 rounds fired,no issues.

June 23rd 2013. 100 rounds fired,no issues.

September 17th 2013. 100 rounds fired,no issues.

September 29th 2013. 100 rounds fired,no issues.

October 13th 2013. 300rds fired with one firing stoppage I am unsure of the nature of the stoppage because it happened in the middle of a timed stage in a match so I just wanted to get my gun running again… TAP RACK BANG :)

October 15th 2013. 250 rounds fired no issues.

October 27th 2013. 200 rounds fired no issues.

November 24th 2013. 100 rounds fired no issues.

Slavex
12-13-2013, 07:40 PM
CZ Shadowmate (Canadian Edition)
New gun October 9th 2013
Dates of testing: October 9th - December 6th 2013
Total rounds fired: 2013 (not planned)

Stoppages: 5
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Prior to gun being shot I swapped in an 11lb recoil spring and an 11lb hammer spring. No other mods done (trigger and front sight will be done today).
total of 5 failures to feed all from the same mag over the course of a couple different sessions. Mag is a practice mag and the lips seem really easy to bend, as such after a couple drops on the floor they open. So I'm not counting it against the gun as this mag does the same thing in my match gun if it's not watched for spreading.
Other than that this gun has run remarkably well. Only real problem is I didn't have a front sight for it and I needed a taller one as I shoot 147gr bullets. That meant a lot of the time during practice my shots were going over my POA as I just kept using the same POA knowing a new sight was on the way. It's funny how much .5mm can make such a difference even at 10yds.
With the exception of 10 rounds of Ranger 147gr SXTs all ammo has been my own handloads. Normally in practice I expect to come across rounds with no primers or squished primers, however since receiving the 100 round case gauge I now check all my practice ammo as well as my match ammo. This has reduced ammo related malfs to zero.
Very happy with the gun, looking forward to tonight's class to see how the new Cajun Gun Works sight works. I usually use CZ Custom ones but figured I'd give this one a try. It's a bit taller though, so not sure if it is going to work properly.

Saym16
12-18-2013, 11:18 PM
is a shooter induced malfunction a stoppage?

say I slam the magazine in so hard on a reload that I end up popping a round half out of the magazine then the bullet starts to feed but the slide does not go fully into battery.

same with limp wristing. ( I now how can you prove it was limp wristing or a failure.)

it appears yes since an improper grip that causes the slide to not lock back is a stoppage

ToddG
12-18-2013, 11:30 PM
is a shooter induced malfunction a stoppage?

A stoppage is a stoppage. If you'd like to explain it in a narrative that's fine, but it still counts as a stoppage. The point of the exercise is to provide data, not interpretation.

Saym16
12-19-2013, 05:54 PM
A stoppage is a stoppage. If you'd like to explain it in a narrative that's fine, but it still counts as a stoppage. The point of the exercise is to provide data, not interpretation.

got it thanks. what I said below happened. at about 5000 rounds. but I have been cleaning regularly.

I slammed the magazine in so hard on a reload that I ended up popping a round half out of the magazine then the bullet started to feed but the slide did not go fully into battery.

Squall
12-28-2013, 04:53 PM
Out of curiosity, would cleaning and lubing the magazines count against the challenge? I'm slowly working towards 2000 rounds, and when I got out shooting today I noticed some Tul rounds sticking against the sides when I was loading mags. Normally I'd take the mags apart and clean them, check springs and so on, but I don't want to do anything that would disqualify the 500 rounds I've already shot. The steel casings on the Tul didn't seem as polished as most of the brass I've shot in the past, don't know if it was just a simple friction issue. Still fed and fired fine, just wondering. Thanks.

ToddG
12-29-2013, 10:06 AM
This has come up before and the official response has been, "Do what you want but report it." Since the test doesn't call for a specific number of magazines or require the same mags be used throughout the entire test, it's unfair to say someone with two magazines is stuck but someone with 100 can just use new mags each day.

If you clean your magazines, just say that you cleaned them at x-rounds in the test, and why.

Or -- and this seems lost on people too often -- you could run the gun as-is and report those results. It's not a sin to have a stoppage during the test.

Squall
12-29-2013, 01:39 PM
Thanks for the answer Todd.

I understand the world wouldn't come to an end if I had a stoppage or two to report, but the gun in question is one I'm trying to prove to myself I can trust. I'm running a Px4 Storm compact in 9mm that I bough last year when I first started shooting hand guns, only to come across this place and find that it's not held in very high esteem. Fault is mine for buying without putting in the proper research; I just plead youthful ignorance and "ohhh, that's neat," to the rotating barrel. But living in New Jersey, it's a little more difficult than running back down to the store and trading it in, so I made the deal with myself that if I can get through the challenge, I'll keep it rather than deal with the hoop jumping that comes with living here. No problems yet, so here's hoping.

Thanks again for the response.

RB

ToddG
12-29-2013, 02:34 PM
Folks... please keep the thread limited to test results and questions about test protocol. If you want to discuss brand-X start a separate thread.

Clobbersaurus
12-29-2013, 05:55 PM
Pistol: Glock 17 Gen 3
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 600rds 124g S&B, 300rnds 115g AE, 10rds 147g Golden Saber, 10rds 1968 manufacture CND MK1, 15rds 147g reloads, 800rds 124g Wolf re-manufactured, 300rds 115g Tula
Dates of testing: 10/19/2013 – 12/29/2013
Total rounds fired: 2,035

Stoppages: 4*
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

*All stoppages were failures of the slide to lock back on an empty mag due to improper grip. Two were from firing SHO, one from shooting from an improvised position and the other while trying to go faster than I'm capable of.

Pistol was cleaned and lubed with G96 Gun Treatment before the test. I did wipe powder residue from the lens of TLR-1 a couple times, but this was the only cleaning I did of the pistol throughout the test.

She was a bit dirty...
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r151/clobbersauras/DSC03139_zps8590759f.jpg (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/clobbersauras/media/DSC03139_zps8590759f.jpg.html)
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r151/clobbersauras/DSC03141_zps9440eb67.jpg (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/clobbersauras/media/DSC03141_zps9440eb67.jpg.html)
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r151/clobbersauras/DSC03143_zps37e5b5b3.jpg (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/clobbersauras/media/DSC03143_zps37e5b5b3.jpg.html)

JAD
01-13-2014, 05:46 PM
Pistol: GLOCK G17 Gen 4
Caliber: 9x19
Ammunition: 5 varieties of range ammo, 7 varieties of JHP, and FMJ reloads (complete table upon request)
Dates of testing: 10/8/13 to 1/13/14
Total rounds fired: 2,542* (2210)
Stoppages: 1
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
The stoppage was round 994, an Aguila 124 FMJ whose case measured 0.010" over spec, which would not go into battery and was difficult to extract (twice). The round fired in my P35. The test was conducted as-received from the factory; I have not personally taken the slide off the gun. The slide was removed for sight installation after round 332, hence the asterisk above. I don't think that counts as maintenance, but you be the judge.

JodyH
01-20-2014, 11:08 AM
Pistol: SigPro 2022
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Assorted FMJ from Winchester, Federal, Remington and PMC. Assorted JHP's from Barnes, Cor-Bon, Winchester and Federal.
Dates of testing: 11/13 – 1/14
Total rounds fired: 2,500 (+- 50) *

Stoppages: Too many to count **
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

* I had a few hundred downrange before starting the official 2000 round test, and I shot another couple hundred this weekend before cleaning.

** My thumb rides the slide stop lever preventing the slide from locking back on empty unless I'm shooting 1-handed. I could change my grip and alleviate this, but I'm not going to. I knew it was going to happen so I didn't even keep track of them. No other stoppages.

Trooper224
01-25-2014, 02:25 PM
http://m6.i.pbase.com/o2/64/521964/1/148831186.Q3rOb6Wn.RangeOfficer002.JPG
Springfield Armory Range Officer
Start Date: 02/08/2013-current
Rounds fired: 4300
Type: 100 Speer 230 grain Gold Dot HP, 100 230 grain Federal HST HP, 500 lead 185 grain SWC over 4.3 grains Bullseye, 3800 230 grain RNL over 5.0 grains Bullseye.
Magazines used: Checkmate, 7 round and 8 round extended base.
Alterations: grips replaced, reduced power sear spring added and ILS eliminated for trigger reduction to 3.75 pounds.
Lube: Plastilube on rails and Hoppes Gun Oil or Ballistol on other surfaces.
Stoppages: none to date. (apologies for my inability to determine when the piece went over 2000 rounds)

GJM
02-16-2014, 02:08 PM
Thought this would be relevant given the CZ dissuasions. I realized I am through 2,000 rounds with each Mink tuned SP01 Shadow, with 2,000+ rounds on gun #2 and 2,500+ rounds on gun #1.

Gun 1 had the right side thumb safety come off early on, related to a fit issue with the small thumb safeties, although it continued to fire. I had one Aguila ball round fail to ignite, although since it wouldn't fire in a Glock, I consider it a defective round. Otherwise no stoppages.

Gun 2, had one failure to feed right about 2,000 rounds. I had cleaned neither Shadow since new, and I was experiencing increasing sluggish chambering of the first round. After that stoppage, I cleaned both Shadows. Looking at the gunk on the feed ramps of both pistols, I am amazed they fed anything.

In the Shadows I primarily shot 124 Aguila ball, with some Federal AE 147, some Speer Lawman 115+P and a smattering of JHP and other assorted ammo.

Not 2,000 rounds, but my carry P01 is through 500 rounds with a mix of ball and JHP without a single anything issue. I am now carrying it.

Time frame for all three pistols was January to now.

ashman22
02-26-2014, 11:52 AM
Hello

I was wondering if anyone has done a similar test with Styer L9 A1. I was planning to get that piston for IDPA and was wondering what folks think about its reliability. Or if Todd can do a torture test of a Styer.

Thanks
Ashish

justintime
02-26-2014, 02:23 PM
Start date-
July 2013
Glock 19 gen 3
Rounds fired 2050
Ammo - American eagle , Remington umc, freedoms munitions , Speer goldots, Hornady critical duty, monarch 115g brass.

Lube - slip 2000

4 stove pipes

justintime
02-26-2014, 02:28 PM
Sig p229 extreme
Ammo: wwb, freedom, monarch brass 124, monarch steel 115, Hornady critical defenese, pierce, Winchester NATO, Winchester pdx 124 +p, Remington umc, Remington leadless 147 grain jacketed, blazer brass.

Nov 11 2013 start date
Lube: tw25

3750 rounds

5 fte while using wwb. Different boxes but bought around the same time

1 parts breakage - extracted claw broke off resulting in three double feeds before I figured out it was missing. Gun became inoperable

LangdonTactical
03-01-2014, 05:11 PM
Pistol: FNH-FNS-9
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 115 gr AE, 124 gr Win PDX1, 124 gr reloads.
Dates of testing: 2/17/14 to 3/1/14
Total rounds fired: 2,194
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments: Gun was lubricated with TW25b around the trigger area and FireClean every where else prior to start of the test. Carried the gun throughout the test after the first range session with carry ammo.

HCL3
03-17-2014, 03:07 AM
Pistol: Sig P226 MK25
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: various FMJ including Remington, Winchester, Georgia Arms, and Atlanta Arms. The only JHP I used was Federal HST 147gr.
Dates of testing: 1/1/2014 - 3/16/2014
Total rounds fired: 2036
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments: Pistol was NIB at the beginning of the test, and was field stripped and lubed. Pistol was not cleaned or lubed again until after 2036 rounds. I have carried this one daily since mid January.

Trooper224
03-18-2014, 04:42 PM
Pistol: FNH FNS9
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 100 Speer 124grn +P Gold Dot, 100 Remington 124grn +P Golden Sabre, 100 147grn Federal HST, 1750 various RNL handloads.
Dates of testing: 02/05/2014-03/18/2014
Total rounds fired: 2050
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Parts breakage: 0

Pistol cleaned when taken from box and lubed with Hoppes lubricating oil. No other maintenance for duration of test. Now primary off duty carry.

Eternal24k
03-19-2014, 01:04 PM
Man, lots of good data but where are all of the dirty gun pics?

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PPGMD
03-21-2014, 06:25 PM
Pistol: S&W M&P 9 Pro Series
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 2,087 Rounds of Freedom Munitions 115gr Reloads, 511 Rounds of Atlanta Arms & Ammo 147gr FMJ reloads
Dates of testing: 03/18/2014 - 03/21/2014
Total rounds fired: 2,598
Stoppages: 1 - Had what sounded like a squib (if I didn't hear it hit the target I would've check the barrel) which resulted a stove pipe with Freedom Munitions - it was my third one with that particular batch of ammo (I shot a total of 4,000 rounds of Freedom this week)
Malfunctions: 0
Parts breakage: 1 - Left lever of the slide stop broke off
Modifications: Apex D/C AEK, Apex Competition Striker Spring, Warren Tactical Fiber Optic Sight set, and misc grip enchantments (the details of which aren't relevant to this test).

Before I tested it this pistol had shot a total of 18,585 rounds, and 3,207 rounds since the last time I really cleaned the gun. During that cleaning I replaced the recoil spring assembly, the Apex Competition Striker Spring, and the Apex D/C Springs. It had a basic relube before I started.

richiecotite
05-27-2014, 03:50 PM
Pistol: M&P 45c
Caliber: 45 ACP
Ammunition: 230 gr Berry’s plated handloads (4.7 gr WST or 4.1 N340), approx.. 50 HST and 80 Gold Dot (both 230 gr)
Dates: 4/6/2014-present
Total rounds fired: 573
Stoppages: 1 (230 gr handload FTF, removed, reloaded in magazine, and attempted to rechamber. Same issue occurred.)
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments: Pistol purchased used June 2013, unknown round count. From purchase to 4/6/14 round count unknown, estimated at 600.

Eternal24k
05-28-2014, 09:02 AM
Pistol: M&P 45c
Caliber: 45 ACP
Ammunition: 230 gr Berry’s plated handloads (4.7 gr WST or 4.1 N340), approx.. 50 HST and 80 Gold Dot (both 230 gr)
Dates: 4/6/2014-present
Total rounds fired: 573
Stoppages: 1 (230 gr handload FTF, removed, reloaded in magazine, and attempted to rechamber. Same issue occurred.)
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments: Pistol purchased used June 2013, unknown round count. From purchase to 4/6/14 round count unknown, estimated at 600.

So are you done?

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richiecotite
05-28-2014, 06:17 PM
No, not yet. I figured I would update my post as I go along, otherwise I would totally forget about it. Is that not allowed?


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MSparks909
06-13-2014, 02:37 PM
No, not yet. I figured I would update my post as I go along, otherwise I would totally forget about it. Is that not allowed?

Post your 2,000 round challenge results after all 2,000 rounds have been fired.

Mikey
06-17-2014, 10:31 AM
I did back to back challenges with same G34

Pistol: Glock 34 Gen4
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 3,410 147gr xtreme plated reloads, 3.4gr Titegroup
Dates of testing: 02/15/2014 - 04/15/2014
Total rounds fired: 3,410
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Parts breakage: 0
Modifications: Jager Guide Rod, 13lb ISMI Spring, Zev Ultimate Standard Trigger Kit w/3lb striker spring, Dawson Sights

Pistol: Glock 34 Gen4
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 3,520 147gr xtreme plated reloads, 3.4gr Titegroup
Dates of testing: 04/18/2014 - 06/20/2014
Total rounds fired: 3,520
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Parts breakage: 0
Modifications: Jager Guide Rod, 13lb ISMI Spring, Zev Ultimate Standard Trigger Kit w/3lb striker spring, Dawson Sights. At the end of this test all springs were replaced.

So far the only stoppages (3) were due to ammo loaded too long (1.16ish) for the magazines. I did not count these against the gun since they were caused by bad pieces of brass and poor QC of my reloading.

farscott
08-04-2014, 05:57 AM
Pistol: Rock River Arms Elite Commando
Caliber: .45 ACP
Ammunition: 2,149 Rounds (307 seven-round magazines) of 230-grain WWB
Dates of testing: 05/12/2014 - 08/02/2014
Total rounds fired: 2,150
Stoppages: 1 - LH upper grip screw just about came off gun during first range session. I stopped shooting to tighten it.
Malfunctions: 0
Parts breakage: 0
Modifications: Wilson G10 "Starburst" grips

Gun was wiped down with "silicone-impregnated" cloth between shooting sessions but never cleaned until test was complete. Gun was absolutely filthy and took me more than two hours to get clean after conclusion of test.

MDS
08-04-2014, 03:22 PM
Gun was wiped down with "silicone-impregnated" cloth between shooting sessions but never cleaned until test was complete.

Just an external wipe, or did you field strip?

farscott
08-04-2014, 03:32 PM
Just an external wipe down to protect the blued finish until the 2,000 round mark was exceeded. That is why I used the cloth as it did not introduce any additional lube into the gun. The gun was not taken down (no field strip or detail strip) until the the test was complete.

DEG
08-04-2014, 06:33 PM
Pistol: HK P30 V1 LEM
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Mixed 115, 124, and 147 grain factory, remanufactured, and hand loaded.
Dates of testing: 4/6/14 to 7/3/14
Total rounds fired: 2,007
Stoppages: 2
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments: I purchased the P30 new from Cross Creek Guns, and shot around 1,000 rounds through it prior to starting the test. I installed Trijicon HD sights with the yellow front and used the large backstrap and large side panels. All rounds were fired at Mill Creek Rifle Club in Kansas. Love that range.

Stoppages explanation - during the first 200 rounds I had a failure to lock back on an empty magazine. I was riding the slide release, and adjusting my grip fixed the problem. Somewhere between 1,200 – 1,300 rounds, I had one FTE using a remanufactured 115 grain round. It popped like an underpowered load.

My best FAST drill was 6.36 clean from concealment. My best dot torture was 48/50 at 7 yards. My 25 yard accuracy improved throughout the test. Initially, it was common for me to get from 0 to 2 hits out of 5 on a 3x5 index card, and I improved that to 3 to 5 hits out of 5 pretty consistently toward the end of the test. A lot of pulling high and to the left at distances beyond 15 yards early on during the test, which I ironed out pretty well with dry practice.

The trigger was a challenge moving from the Glock 19, but enjoyable. Most range days I brought a G19 with me to shoot in between P30 drills. That didn’t help me get used to the LEM any faster, but did give me moral support that I could still hit the backstop on those days where the LEM was kicking my rear.

Mjolnir
08-07-2014, 08:25 PM
Pistol: H&K VP9
Ammo: Sellier & Bellot 115 grain

Stoppages: One; double feed
Malfunctions: None
Breakages: None

Dates of Testing: July 28, 2014 thru August 4, 2014.

The pistol was purchased new and I promptly disassembled to find it loaded with lube so I promptly put 500 rounds through it.

I had previously enrolled in a Dave Harrington Advanced Pistol Course and I had not been shooting for a couple of years so I put another 650 rounds through the pistol prior to showing up for the class.

At an estimated 500 rounds into the class during a "Hit to Miss" Drill I had the double feed.

Day One was 950 rounds for a total of 2,100 rounds.

Day Two was 525 rounds and was trouble-free.

Total rounds: 2,625 rounds as of 8/4/2014.

Cleaned it up (and it did not take much at all) and she rests easy in kydex as I type this.

ReverendMeat
08-10-2014, 12:55 AM
First post here.

Pistol: CZ 75B
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Magtech 115, S&B 115, Raug Precision 115 steel, CCI Blazer 124 gr, Magtech 147 gr subsonic
Dates of testing: 6.1.12 to 8.1.12
Total rounds fired: 2,000
Stoppages: 1 (or 12)
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

I've owned this pistol since 2007 but haven't kept track of round count until 6.2012. Cleaned and lubricated with BreakFree CLP before starting. One stoppage at ~1,050 (failure to eject - "stovepipe") using Magtech 147 gr subsonic. 147 gr ammo has given me trouble in a couple other pistols too, and the 75B has otherwise been flawless with other bullet weights. 11 of 12 "stoppages" were the slide locking to the rear when the magazine wasn't empty. This was attributed to an improper grip; left hand would occasionally engage slide stop during firing. Lowered left thumb, no more issues. Cleaned at 2k rounds, which I regret. It was filthy but it ran fine.


Pistol: Walther PPQ M1 9mm
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Assorted 115 gr: Magtech, Raug, S&B, Wolf, Tula, Lawman, Blazer, local remans, some Blazer 124 gr, American Eagle 147 gr, gold dots, and some random old crap.
Dates of testing: 10.3.12 - present
Total rounds fired: 2,373
Stoppages: 2
Malfunctions: 1
Breakages: 0

Bought NIB, cleaned and lubricated with BreakFree CLP before starting. In the first 1k rounds I had two failures to go into battery, one of which while shooting one handed. Tapping the slide fixed it. No further stoppages, though at one point while carrying it around the shop the rear sight fell out. After reinstalling it I noticed that it fit tighter into the slide than it had before, leading me to believe that it wasn't properly installed out of the factory (just a guess). I can't really explain the earlier stoppages but it hasn't been an issue since. Will keep shooting it to see what happens but given my budget it'll be awhile.

CZ pics: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-fsd9obrCUZ0/UBnuhHSjwOI/AAAAAAAAAIU/mcfqmQmzYcU/w1140-h855-no/IMG_4370.JPG

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I also tried my SIG P239, but I can't say it passed the test. 1 failure to feed with 147 grain AE, 3 failures to eject and slide failing to lock back at ~1000 rounds. Throwing a bit of CLP on the rails has seen a trouble free ~400 rounds but without the extra lube the slide seemed to be moving slower than it ought to.

Eli
08-11-2014, 02:57 PM
Pistol: Glock 17A

Caliber: 9mm

Ammunition: Assorted FMJ including Remington, Winchester, Monarch, and Freedom Munitions. Also ran 100 rounds each of Hornady TAP and Federal HydraShok, both 147gr.

Dates of testing: 8/13 - 8/14

Total rounds fired: 2486

Stoppages: 0

Malfunctions: 0

Breakages: 0

Comments: Bought the gun brand new in July of last year, with the intent of cutting the frame down to 19 length. I took it straight from the store to the range, put 17 rounds each of Hornady TAP (my prefered carry ammo) and Federal HydraShok (I have a can full of this stuff from a gunshow several years back) to check for function. I also put 100 rounds of WWB through it. Ran all 134 rounds fine, but threw about a third of the casings back at my forehead....no bueno.

Took it home, did the grip chop, grinding, and stippling. Replaced the factory dovetail protectors. Did a twenty five cent trigger job, replaced the connector with a Zev Works 2lb race connector, and dropped in a NY1 TRS. This gives me about a 6lb trigger with a smooth pull, zero slack, and an extremely positive reset. Also installed an Apex FRE. Cleaned the polymer dust out of the frame, put everything back together, lubed it up with a few drops of Mobil 1 synthetic, and it's been 100% ever since.
I've taken it through 3 pistol classes, as well as a couple of regional forum shoots where I monitored the other shooters for failures (mainly looking to see if it were prone to limp wristing with smaller shooters and children....), but it ran fine.

It's a late Gen3 Glock, I wouldn't have been surprised if it had been a lemon, but I'm also not particularly surprised that it runs like a champ either. I have a 34 and a 19, and in the past I've had a 26 and another 17, through almost 50,000 rounds through my various Glocks I can count all the failures without having to take off my flip flops and use my toes. ;)

One thing that did surprise me is just how clean it looks after almost 2500 rounds.....hell, there's still a tiny bit of Glock factory bronze gunk in the slide.


http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee95/ceelfi/2kg5.jpg


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Yute
08-17-2014, 07:42 PM
Pistol: Sig P229R (Aka P229R-1 with "Long ejector"/"E2" Slide, Purchased 2014), California model w/ chamber indicator and magazine disconnect. Tested with 10 round P229R-1 and P228/P229 magazines (9 total)
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 115 grain American Eagle, 115 grain Blazer Brass, 115 grain Independence, 115 grain Fiocchi, 115 grain Magtech, 124 grain Winchester 9mm NATO, 147 Grain Speer Lawman
Dates of testing: 5/10/2014-8/16/2014
Total rounds fired: 2,100
Stoppages: 6 (all with American Eagle 115 grain AE9DP)
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:

This is a newly purchased P229R. Pistol was lightly lubed with Slip2000, and the critical rail surfaces lubed with Tw25B. No further lubrication or cleaning was performed during testing. For the first 250 rounds, I used AE9DP and had 2 stoppages at rounds 112 and 238 (both magazine #5). I then fired 100 rounds of Magtech and 100 rounds of Speer Lawman, without issue. I then fired another 200 rounds AE9DP and had stoppages on rounds 476 (Mag #5), 481 (Mag #7), 518 (Mag #5), 546 (Mag #7).

All stoppages were identical - a fired cartridge case stuck in the chamber (failure to extract/eject), with the slide attempting to feed another round, resulting in a double feed malfunction:

http://imgur.com/fOvMMXK

Interestingly, standard double action remediation did not reduce the stoppage (ie lock, eject mag, rack, rack, rack) - the spent case was firmly stuck in the chamber and the extractor could not get a hold of it. Only by locking back the slide and forcefully smacking the pistol on a hard surface did the spent case dislodge.

Inspection of the brass cases did not reveal any gross abnormalities. All of the AE9DP likely came from the same lot of ammunition.

Further details on the stoppages are detailed in this thread: http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?12376-Anyone-having-issues-with-115gr-9mm-American-Eagle&p=224220#post224220

I then fired another 200 of Lawman, 200 of Magtech, 100 of Winchester NATO, another 250 of Magtech, 100 of Blazer Brass, 100 of Independence, 100 of Fiocchi, another 100 of Magtech, another 150 of Independence, and another 150 of Blazer Brass, all without incident (1554 rounds since last stoppage).

For now, I am attributing the stoppages to the lot of AE9DP, given that I could not replicate it with any other ammunition. Whether or not this was an issue with "breaking in" the pistol, or an issue with the pistol itself, is unknown to me at this time.

Cleaning with SLIP2000 degreaser was unremarkable, with no visible breakages noted.

Yute
08-21-2014, 11:39 PM
Addendum to above: one parts breakage - the magazine disconnect. Just noticed that the pistol will fire even with the magazine is removed. It appears that the magazine disconnect spring inside the locking block has broken, which is allowing the disconnect to spin freely.

LittleLebowski
08-22-2014, 06:28 AM
Excellent recent updates, gents!

Yute
08-23-2014, 02:10 PM
Pistol: Sig P229R (Aka P229R-1 with "Long ejector"/"E2" Slide, Purchased 2014), California model w/ chamber indicator and magazine disconnect.


Further Addendum to above - after cleaning, I put another 200 rounds of Blazer Brass 115 grain through the pistol, which resulted in 6 FTEs of the same type of above. Unfortunately my supposition that the initial problem was ammunition related is likely incorrect - all failures appear to have occurred in the same two mags (#5 and #7) - I am looking at magazine issues vs chamber dimensions vs extractor issues at this time.

I apologize for gunking up this thread with so many addendum's, but I could not edit my previous posts.

Kyle Reese
08-29-2014, 02:01 PM
Pistol: FNS-9 (w/o manual safety)
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: Mixed 115 and 124 grain factory FMJ ammunition, as well as being vetted with Speer 124 grain +P GDHP.
Dates of testing: 8/9/14 to 8/29/14
Total rounds fired: 2,036
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 1 unintended magazine release during a fumbled draw.
Breakages: 0

Pistol was lubricated with Fireclean upon delivery and cleaned once when it successfully passed the 2000 round mark today. I've found the FNS to be ergonomic, easy to shoot well and quite accurate. Very glad I added this pistol to my stable.

ssb
09-01-2014, 06:39 PM
Pistol: SIG MK-25
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: 200 Fiocci 115gr FMJ; 200 Federal Champion 115gr FMJ; 200 PMC Bronze 115gr FMJ; 100 Federal P9HST2 147gr JHP; 45 Barnes TAC-XP 115gr JHP; 200 Winchester White Box 115gr FMJ; 500 Winchester White Box 115gr FMJ*; 550 Federal Champion 115gr FMJ*; 125 Winchester White Box 115gr FMJ.
Dates of testing: 8/21/14 to 9/01/14
Total rounds fired: 2,120
Stoppages: 2 (both involved riding the slide release causing failures to lock back. Both occurred on 08/21/14)
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

*300 WWB and 650 Federal Champion were fired over the course of a two-day course with a local instructor.

I received the gun as a gift on 08/21/14. I lubricated the gun with the supplied TW-25B grease and proceeded to run 400 rounds through it that same day. Apart from the course, the rest of the rounds fired were done in 200ish round range sessions at local ranges. Apart from adding grip tape to the front strap, the pistol was not modified during this time. It ran fine with both the supplied Mec Gar 15rd magazines and the three Mec Gar 18 round magazines I purchased.

MSparks909
09-12-2014, 01:06 PM
Pistol: Glock 17 Gen 3
Caliber: 9x19
Ammunition: 1450 Tula 115gr. FMJ; 100 Tula BrassMAX 115gr. FMJ; 100 Winchester White Box 115gr. FMJ; 100 PMC 115gr. FMJ; 50 Speer Gold Dot 124gr. +P; 200 124gr. FMJ reloads (loaded to NATO spec).
Dates of Testing: 8/12/2014 - 9/12/2014
Total Rounds Fired: 2,000
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Notes: I replaced the factory 336 ejector with a used 30274 ejector from one of my spare Gen 4 trigger housings in my parts bin prior to test. Ejection with the 336 caused some BTF. Ejection after installing the 30274 *mostly* fixed the BTF, but ejection is pretty weak, and remained weak throughout the test. Pistol was lubricated with FireCLEAN. Interesting to note, there is still a light sheen of FC present on the barrel, even after a month of shooting and 2,000 rounds. Pretty impressive. There is also a faint sheen of lubrication on the inside of the slide where the barrel hood rides. The rails also have a slight sheen. Very impressed with the performance of FC.

Will edit and include pictures later this afternoon.

JodyH
09-20-2014, 03:32 PM
Pistol: H&K P30L w/Surefire X300U
Caliber: .40
Ammunition: Federal 180gr. HST
Dates of Testing: Sept. 13-20
Total Rounds Fired: 2,150
Stoppages: 0 (my thumb rides the slide stop and I don't care so I don't count the multiple failures to lock back on empty)
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Funkybassplayer
09-29-2014, 09:20 AM
Ooooo this is going to be fun! I'm going to have to find more ammunition now!


-BTO-

JodyH
10-12-2014, 11:08 AM
Pistol: Sig M11-A1
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 2000 S&B 115gr. FMJ, 150 Speer 124gr. GDHP, 150 assorted.
Dates of Testing: Oct. 10-12
Total Rounds Fired: 2,300
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Eternal24k
11-04-2014, 07:36 PM
Pistol: SAO CZ-75 SP-01 Shadow
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: Mostly reloads from my Dillons SD
Dates of testing: 8/10/13 to 8/29/14
Total rounds fired: 2,028
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 1 Failure to feed
Breakages: 0

Like many, I lubed this pistol with fireclean upon receipt. This is my first 2k with fireclean and it is the first that was visible "wet" after the 2k. I was surprised how gummy it was, but i have no doubt this pistol would have kept chugging along. This was also my first CZ, and while the machining was not impressive the performance was. I have never owned a pistol so easy to shoot well, it has the best trigger of any of my pistols (my custom 1911s are weeping right now) and ergonomic aside, a fun pistol to run. This is a pistol that went up against RMR'd glocks and was constantly forcing me to handicap myself to even the odds against other seasoned shooters (only lost to a 9mm SBR).
This was my "gaming" pistol hence why it took so long to rack 2k, I would have kept going except I purchased a long slide CTS LS-B :o


excuse the crappy post 2k photos:
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ReverendMeat
11-07-2014, 03:44 AM
Pistol: SIG P228 (slide marked "Made in Germany")
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: Sellier & Bellot 115, Magtech 155, Magtech 124, Armscor 124, Rogue Defense (reman) 115, some frangible stuff, CCI 115, black hills, Gold dot 124 +P, PDX1 124 +P
Dates of testing: 6/23/2014 to 11/7/2014
Total rounds fired: 2,022
Stoppages: 4 (all failures to go to slide lock, and all happened with less experienced shooters)
Malfunctions: 1 (a grip screw fell out, not while shooting)
Breakages: 0

Bought pistol used, put Hogue Extreme G10 "chain link" grips on, and lubricated with Breakfree CLP. Locktited grip screw after it fell out (sometime after the 1100 round mark). Within the last 300 rounds I gave the pistol to a couple other people, two of whom had never shot a gun before until that day, and had a couple failures to go to slide lock. I ride the slide lock on my P239 consistently yet on the 228 it's never failed to lock when I was shooting it, so I'm guessing the lack of lube combined with some moderate to severe limp-wristing is the culprit here.

Lessons learned: I really like this gun. Next purchase will be a 226.

JodyH
11-25-2014, 04:24 PM
I think I've set a 2000 round challenge record.
Three challenges in three consecutive months (15 days, 6450 rounds is an average of 430 rounds per day).
September was a P30L .40, October was a Sig M11-A1, November is the VP9.
:cool:

Pistol: H&K VP9
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 1800 S&B 115gr. FMJ, 200 Speer 115gr. +P+ GDHP
Dates of Testing: Nov. 21-25
Total Rounds Fired: 2,000
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Solid shooter, didn't even have thumb troubles with the slide stop lever.
I'm waiting on Trijicon HD sights and a holster to see how it carries.

Clobbersaurus
12-14-2014, 03:46 PM
Pistol: Beretta 92 Elite II
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: various: American Eagle 124g, LCW 115g, Barnaul 115g
Dates of testing: 07/05/14 - 12/14/14
Total rounds fired: 2060
Stoppages: 8 - failures of slide to lock due to improper grip.
Malfunctions: 3** - failures to feed when loading first round into the gun. All failures attributed to old factory mags, problems stopped with new Mec Gar mags.
Breakages: 0

** I had NUMEROUS light primer strikes with a 1000 round case of Barnaul 115g ammo. I tested this ammo in two other guns, my Glock 17 and a friends M&P and all experienced problems with this ammo. Based on this, I decided not to count it against the Beretta in this test.
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ReverendMeat
12-31-2014, 08:21 PM
Pistol: Dan Wesson Valor (Black)
Caliber: .45 ACP
Ammunition: S&B, Armscor, Magtech, Tula, PMC, CCI (all 230 gr), some old HydraShoks, box of HPR Blackops
Dates of testing: 10/7/2014 - 12/31/2014
Total rounds fired: 2,038
Stoppages: Yes*
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

*Bought a new magazine (WC 47D) at about 1,200 rounds and soon after encountered a failure to feed from slide lock and numerous failures to lock back on empty both while shooting and hand cycling. Determined to be caused by the magazine. The checkmate mags that came with the gun and a couple tripps presented no issues. At 1,500 rounds I started encountering failures to go into battery, requiring a push on the back of the slide to remedy. Hand cycling the action felt, for lack of a better word, sludgy. A couple drops of Breakfree CLP on the rails and the gun felt like it did fresh out of the box and no further issues popped up.

So I suppose since I needed to lube the gun before 2000 rounds it "failed" the test. Doesn't bother me at all, and to be honest I was surprised it made it as far as it did. The clearances were super tight out of the box, such that I gave up on trying to get the barrel bushing out of the slide, and I would've expected having to lube it much sooner.

farscott
01-19-2015, 10:30 AM
Pistol: Beretta 92G Brigadier Tactical (WC Model)
Caliber: 9x19
Ammunition: Winchester USA 115-grain FMJ and Federal 124-grain Hydra-Shok Personal Defense. This is all standard pressure ammo.
Dates of testing: 1/09/2015 - 1/17/2015
Total rounds fired: 2000
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments: Pistol was NIB at the beginning of the test and was lubed with Break-Free CLP before start of test. Pistol was not cleaned or lubed again until test was complete. Exterior of gun was wiped down with clean, dry rag between shooting sessions to keep crud out of holster and off my clothes. Weather ranged from the low 30s to the mid 50s. Only issue is I have seem to have developed tennis elbow in my right (strong-side) elbow from shooting so much (for me) in such a short period of time. The last five hundred rounds were no fun at all. Not sure if this is related to the gun or to me as I also shot a fair amount of .45 ACP from my carry 1911 and from my wad gun during an indoor league Bullseye match around the same time frame.

Suvorov
01-19-2015, 12:22 PM
Pistol: Beretta 92G Brigadier Tactical (WC Model)
Caliber: 9x19
Ammunition: Winchester USA 115-grain FMJ and Federal 124-grain Hydra-Shok Personal Defense. This is all standard pressure ammo.
Dates of testing: 1/09/2015 - 1/17/2015
Total rounds fired: 2000
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0



I don't know what makes me more envious - that you own such a fine specimen of pistol or that you can shoot 2000 rounds over the course of a week.

Great to see it passed without a hiccup!

pisc1024
02-01-2015, 09:04 PM
Pistol: Springfield Armory Custom Shop Warren Tactical 9mm 1911
Ammo: CCI 124gr TMJ Blazer Cleanfire; Federal P9HST3 (124gr +p HST)
Dates: Saturday July 14 through Wednesday July 18
Total Rounds Fired: 2,018
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Parts Breakages: 0

Comments: At the 1,637 round mark I replaced the stock mag catch with an Ed Brown extended version which I fitted myself. Given that I'd never fitted a mag catch to a 1911 before, this was probably a bad idea in the middle of a 2K Challenge. Nonetheless, everything worked as intended.

For the first time since I began these 2K Challenges, I feel genuinely guilty about putting my pistol through that and will be cleaning it soon.

So replacing the mag catch is NOT considered maintenance?

ToddG
02-01-2015, 09:34 PM
So replacing the mag catch is NOT considered maintenance?

I didn't do it to perform maintenance, but as with all sorts of on-the-line things it was listed with details so people can make their own decisions about what did and didn't count, etc.

shooter220
02-07-2015, 08:12 PM
Pistol: H&K P30S - V3
Ammo: WWB, Blazer Brass, PMC Bronze, Speer Lawman, 50 rounds of Jack Ross, a fistful of Federal HST, and probably a couple others as well
Dates: Feb 2014 - Feb 2015 (yes, it took me a full year, and most of that is in the last 7 weeks)
Total Rounds Fired: 2,100
Stoppages: 1 (Failure to lock slide back on empty - 100% due to my grip and it being a new gun)
Malfunctions: 0
Parts Breakages: 0

Comments: I reported the one stoppage, but that occurred in the first 100 rounds (actually, at about round 30). So the gun HAS done 2000 rounds with no errors, which is a minor miracle in my hands. In terms of pace of getting to 2k, over 1k of those 2k have been in 2015. I did not get to shoot much in 2014.

So this gun was almost doomed in this test. I haven't been shooting handgun much the last few years, in fact, as a result of young kids, I haven't been shooting much of anything the last few years. This test started with a new gun that I brought home, stripped, cleaned, lubed, and then started shooting. I have owned it a year, and am about to clean it for the second time.

I chose this gun because of:
1. I like hammer-fired guns.
2. The ergonomics work well for me.
3. Todd's test data (for a numbers geek, that data kind of rocks)
4. I wanted something new and higher capacity to re-start me - so I shelved my EL worked Sig P225 and started shooting this one.

It has completely exceeded expectations, but after 2.1k rounds with the stock sights, they are GONE as soon as I can make it happen. I think it will get a set of Trijicon HDs. Love the pistol - hate the sights.

LockedBreech
02-09-2015, 09:53 AM
I like tests that include a smattering of ammo types like ^ this one. I realize it's usually the same type of ammo because it's easiest/cheapest that way, and in fact my currently ongoing 92FS test has used solely 124-grain WWB 9mm NATO, but it's nice seeing a gun function with more than one favored load.

ReverendMeat
03-08-2015, 05:55 PM
Pistol: SIG P226 (E26R-9-B)
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: S&B 115gr, CCI Blazer 115gr, Magtech 124gr, Armscor 124gr, local 115gr remans, Gold Dot 124+P
Dates of testing: 11/24/2014 - 3/8/2015
Total rounds fired: 2,040
Stoppages: 0*
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 1

Bought LNIB (factory test fired 8-2013). Pistol had E2 grips, one 15rnd mag, one 18rnd mag, and long external extractor. Only modifications were coloring out the rear sight with a sharpie and replacing the E2s with Hogue G10s after a few weeks. Cleaned and lubed before shooting with either BreakFree CLP or FireClean (I think it was BreakFree but I don't remember).

Around 900 rounds in, the sear spring retaining pin disappeared. The gun still functioned for at least one mag afterwards, if not more (unsure of exactly when it came out) which was surprising. Installed new pin and that sucker isn't going anywhere.

At the end of today's range trip I fired 10 rounds one handed with no mag inserted to see what ejection looked like. Was consistent with normal ejection. Interestingly I tried the same in a clean/lubed P228, with both hands, and it crapped half the brass down the magwell and featured a couple good ol' FTEs as well.

*The slide often doesn't lock back on empty. On SIGs I simply do not consider this a "stoppage" in any way. Since I am often putting downward pressure on the slide release while shooting, the slide not locking back on empty is just proof that the slide release works.

1986s4
04-04-2015, 01:50 PM
is it OK to post a failed attempt?

MDS
04-04-2015, 05:55 PM
is it OK to post a failed attempt?
Please do! Every honest data point adds value.

1986s4
04-06-2015, 07:46 AM
Pistol: 2013 Colt .38 Super Auto
Rounds fired 1100 [test stopped]
Dates of testing 2/1/2015 to 3/28/2015
Ammunition used: Remington 130 grain ball, reloads with Hornady 115 HAP, Bayou Bullet 135 RN, Precision Delta 124 RN, Zero 125 JHP, Xtreme 124 RN. Powder used VV N310, N320 and N340. Primers: Tula, S&B, CCI
Breakages: None

Test stopped because pistol was not returning to battery.
Pistol lubed with Froglube before test. It ran fine until about 750 rounds. Started to experience failure to return to battery. Replaced recoil spring with heavier unit and ammunition bumped up in power factor. This worked for a short time. Lube and slide felt sticky so I decided to disassemble. Lube had become pasty and parts moved with reluctance. I ended the test and cleaned with my old methods and products. Reassembled using my old supply of Enos slide glide and Mobile One. It may be a while before I reattempt this test.
For some reason the Froglube had turned in to a sticky paste that hindered slide movement. I am no longer using this product.

psalms144.1
04-06-2015, 03:22 PM
For some reason the Froglube had turned in to a sticky paste that hindered slide movement. I am no longer using this product.I bought into FL hook line and sinker when it first hit the market. Living in Tampa and traveling MOSTLY to very warm places around the world, I never had any issues. Moved to NY, and during my first November, I found the FL had "gelled" on most of my guns, and all the cleaning equipment I used to apply it was covered in goopy/waxy/sticky mess.

I stripped all my weapons, relubed with Fireclean, put a decent protectant on the exteriors, and I'm cooking along with no problems now, even during the coldest Feb in 70 years...

1986s4
04-07-2015, 08:22 AM
The thing is most of my shooting was done on an indoor range. Last match was outdoor and was the last straw. Light rain but not to cold and I couldn't get through a single stage without the slide sticking short of battery. I also have stripped my AR of the Froglube and I am moving through my other firearms.

Paul D
04-12-2015, 04:53 PM
Pistol: Smith & Wesson M&P Shield (no safety version).
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Reloads (115 gr Berry's RN over 4.5 gr Titegroup)
Dates of testing: 03/22/15 - 04/01/15
Total rounds fired: 576 (test stopped)
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: Recoil spring assembly failed (stopped test).

Comments:
This is my first S&W gun ever. I normally carry a Glock 17 AIWB but wanted something flatter for shorts and t-shirts here in AZ. When I got the gun, I changed out the sights for Trijicon HDs and the Apex duty sear kit. The gun shot well but I noticed the retaining cap of the recoil spring assembly extruding out at 500 rounds and then gone at round 576 (on April Fool's day). I've read of recoil spring assembly problems early on in this model. I called S&W that day and they sent out a new unit (not here after 12 days). This is disheartening but I'll give it another chance and restart the test from zero once the new unit comes in. If it fails again, I'll sell it and get the Glock 43.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i45/pnduong/20150329_084410_zpswjfa40z2.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i45/pnduong/IMG_2727_zpsyk8dv2j0.jpg

MSparks909
04-13-2015, 06:14 PM
Pistol: HK VP9
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 2,000 rounds Freedom Munitions 124RN Reman; 16 rounds Speer Gold Dot 124+P
Dates of testing: 03/01/15 - 04/09/15
Total rounds fired: 2,016
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Bought this gun used with 50 rounds down the pipe from a guy local to me. Decided to pick up this one and make it my dedicated carry VP9. I also have a second VP9 that will be my primary training/competition/beater gun. The 2,000 round challenge was rather un-eventful. Not surprisingly, the pistol got filthy, but it did not malfunction once over the test. I shot it in the rain, in a dust storm and it rode in the bottom of my range bag in between range sessions. Lubed it with Lucas Extreme Duty Gun Oil. Pretty impressed with this stuff. Very slick but has "tacky" modifier in it that keeps the lube where you want it; it doesn't run all over the gun like FireCLEAN. There was still a noticeable sheen on the barrel, slide rails and trigger components at the end of the test (the barrel hood was dry).

Here's some pics:
http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx223/gradboat09/VP9-1.jpg (http://s758.photobucket.com/user/gradboat09/media/VP9-1.jpg.html)

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx223/gradboat09/VP9-2.jpg (http://s758.photobucket.com/user/gradboat09/media/VP9-2.jpg.html)

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx223/gradboat09/VP9-3.jpg (http://s758.photobucket.com/user/gradboat09/media/VP9-3.jpg.html)

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx223/gradboat09/VP9-4.jpg (http://s758.photobucket.com/user/gradboat09/media/VP9-4.jpg.html)

ssb
04-19-2015, 06:49 PM
Glock 19 Gen 4 #1

Purchased 02/27/15. Test dates 03/12/15-03/31/15. 2129 rounds fired. No malfunctions. No stoppages. No parts breakages. Ammo used included 100 rounds Federal P9HST3, 1000 CCI Blazer Aluminum 124gr FMJ, 500 WWB 115gr FMJ, 50 Freedom Munitions 115gr FMJ, 200 Speer Lawman 124gr FMJ, 200 ZQI 124gr FMJ, 54 Prograde 115gr TAC-XP JHP, 15 Barnes TAC-XPD JHP.

Glock 19 Gen 4 #2

Purchased 04/06/15. Test dates 04/07/15-04/19/15. 2072 rounds fired. Ammunition used included 1572 124gr CCI Blazer Aluminum, 100 Federal P9HST3, 400 WWB 115gr FMJ. No stoppages, malfunctions, or breakages as defined by the standards set in the OP. At class today, however, I noted at least three BTFs and several cases that bounced off my right shoulder today using CCI 124gr Blazer Aluminum. Have not observed this with other ammunition types, but I'd like to get a video taken to see what it's doing. Gun does have the correct APEX FRE and SLB installed.

Both guns got APEX FREs w/ non-LCI SLBs, Trijicon HDs, a Slug Plug, and a quick polish on the internals. Both were lubed with Fireclean.

One will remain my carry gun and see limited use. The other will be my dedicated dry fire + training gun.

Casey
04-24-2015, 12:10 AM
This seems like as good a place as any for my first post.

Pistol: HK VP9
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 992rds Blazer Brass 115gr, 695rds Freedom Munitions 115gr (new), 300rds Freedom Munitions 147gr (new), 51rds Winchester Ranger 147gr (Q4364), 20rds Corbon 100gr Pow'RBall
Dates of testing: 3/27 - 4/23/2015
Total rounds fired: 2,058
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments: Pistol was purchased new (LE package) from G&R Tactical in January 2015. Original Meprolight sights were replaced with Trijicon HDs. 1,335 rounds were fired prior to the start of the test with no stoppages, malfunctions, or breakages. Pistol was cleaned and lubricated with FireClean. At the conclusion of the test, most lube on the barrel hood had dried up, but the barrel and slide rails remained visibly wet. Ejection seemed to weaken a bit during the last few hundred rounds of the test; not sure if this was due to accumulated fouling or because Freedom Munitions' 147gr stuff is on the soft side.

http://imageshack.com/a/img661/9764/295ymm.jpg

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ReverendMeat
06-03-2015, 09:54 PM
Failed Attempt:

Pistol: SIG M11-A1 (2015 mfg)
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: S&B 115, Magtech 124/115, CCI brass 115, WWB 115, Winchester 124gr NATO, 147gr Hydrashok
Dates of testing: 3/25/15-4/30/15
Total rounds fired: 1,408
Stoppages: 9
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Pistol bought from SIG directly, cleaned/lubed with either Fireclean or Breakfree (don't remember), installed Hogue G10 grips and standard reach trigger. First ~500 rounds were problem free, then I started experiencing failures to extract resulting in a doublefeed and failures to feed, across multiple ammo types and all magazines. Pistol was returned to SIG, came back a week later with an invoice stating they polished the feed ramp, replaced a magazine, replaced extractor spring, and test fired 50 rounds of Hydrashoks without issue. Shot <400 after that experiencing 4 more FTE/FTF. Pistol sent back to SIG again with a detailed note (as with the first time). Pistol was returned in a week with the invoice stating inspected and test fired, nothing replaced. I sold the pistol the next day with full disclosure.

Update from earlier test (4,000 round challenge):
Pistol: Walther PPQ
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: S&B 115, Magtech 115/124, CCI 115, Armscor 124, PMC 115, Win 124gr NATO, AE 115, random old stuff
Dates of testing: 10/3/2012 -- onward
Total rounds fired: 2,000 since last test (4,036 total)
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Posted results from first 2k challenge when I joined this site 8/2014. Pistol was not cleaned, lubed, or maintained in any sort afterwards (I threw on a set of traction grips though). I had put this gun away for the past year or so, as I was focusing on SIGs. Unfortunately, that didn't work out and in hindsight I should've stuck with the Walther instead. I can shoot it objectively better than anything else I own but I worry about lack of parts availability. I've got a CCC "uno" holster on order for it anyway though.

Some crappy cell phone pictures:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-bezdJxF8EkE4VnYEzu3noyyR5u9JDqN0AnanbhQ6UVZUy06VgO-9zQu3kLLs8S4WpJLFF6cRMg769tzruu92v1g_jWp8M8n5yyG=w 1896-h859-rw

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VegasHK
06-05-2015, 04:07 PM
Pistol: M&P CORE 5" w/ Leupold Delta Point RDS
Caliber: 9mm
Dates of test: 05/05/2015- 06/05/2015
Ammo: Speer Lawman 124 FMJ 1300 rounds Speer Gold Dot 124+P 700
Malfunctions: 0
Stoppages: 0
Breakages: 0

Let me introduce myself. I am an adjunct F/A Instructor with a very large metropolitan dept. We have approx 3500 gun carriers. I have been an adjunct for 10 years. I recently tested and am going to go to the range full time. Our range is the largest in the county, and FBI/ DEA/yada yada all use our facilities. So, needless to say, it is a busy place, but great to work at if you love to shoot.

On to the pistol. I have to say, I am completely blown away by this S&W CORE. I am a HK guy, and have carried them for years. First the HK45, then the VP9. I bought this CORE on a fluke because my buddy was selling it right, and I wanted to play with the red dot sights. We have just approved them for duty use, and I wanted to really run one hard and get an idea of its potential. I would have done this test with my VP9, but I can't carry a duty gun for 2000 rounds w/o cleaning and lubing it. Just me, but no way.
I got the CORE and knew right away what I wanted to do.

The gun had around 2-3k through it when I got it. I cleaned it and lubed it with Slip 2k oil and some grease. In the last month I have used it strictly as a range gun. I've carried it teaching classes, and shooting drills, as well as shooting steel. I can say without a doubt, 100%, this is a great gun. It changed every preconceived notion and negative thing I have ever felt about S&W pistols. It is super fast, handles great, ergonomics rock. I have nothing bad to say about the gun.
I did run the Leupold Delta the entire test. I like it very much, and can fully recommend them as duty worthy. It took me about 4-5 hundred rounds to start to "drive out to the dot" instead of hunting for it. My best Bill Drill ever is with this gun and The DeltaPoint. I shot 2.09 clean. Draw to first shot at 1.23. The gun and sight can be very fast.

Worth mentioning is the fact that the last time I shot steel, as well as today, the shooting cadence has the gun super hot. I was shooting fast and hard. I had the slide hot enough that press checks were a no no. You'd burn your fingers. The frame got warm enough that I was not running quite so thumbs forward, as resting them on the frame was uncomfortable. I only through this in to note: the gun just kept running along. 411 rounds in about 45 minutes. Not a hiccup.

There you have my intro, and the results of my 2K test. Thank you for taking the time. I hope it was helpful to someone.

ReverendMeat
06-25-2015, 02:27 AM
Pistol: Beretta 92G
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Magtech, Blazer brass, Aguila, PMC, local remans, Fiocchi (all 115gr), Magtech 124, Win 124 NATO
Dates of testing: 4/15 - 6/24
Total rounds fired: 2,020
Stoppages: 16?
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Bought new, lubed with Breakfree CLP. Installed Beretta factory oversize mag release, steel trigger+D spring and VZ golfball grips.

Pistol went ~1,400 rounds without issue, until I had 2 failures to fire from the same box of Magtech. Next range trip out of 260 rounds I had multiple failures to lock back on empty (I think 5?), as well as a failure to eject (stovepipe) with the local remanufactured stuff, which definitely felt softer shooting than anything else. I tried Fiocchi and had 9 stovepipes out of 10 rounds. Always been told Fiocchi is loaded a bit hot but this stuff was pretty weak. Next trip I let my girlfriend shoot 15 rounds, she experienced two stovepipes. Today it limped its way to 2,020 rounds and had two more failures to fire with Magtech. I immediately threw some CLP on the frame rails and shot the remaining 40 rounds of Fiocchi without issue.

So the FTEs were caused by too much filth + no lube + weak ammo/limp wristing. Not terribly worried about that but what concerns me are the failures to fire (all of which had shallow dimples on the primer indicating light strike, and all fired on the second try). I don't think I've ever had an FTF with Magtech ammo, and I've never heard of people having reliability issues with the factory D-spring. If anybody has any input there I'd be happy to hear it.

DLM
07-11-2015, 08:05 PM
Pistol: Walther PPQ
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Freedom Arms 115, Magtech 115, PMC 115, Remington UMC 115
Dates of testing: 4/2/15 - 7/11/15
Total rounds fired: 1,400
Stoppages: 1
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Began the test with the gun right out of the box. I had a failure to feed at @1,270 rounds, earlier today. I couldn't identify the cause of the FTF. I intend to clean and lube the gun and start the test again.

part-time shooter
08-06-2015, 03:24 PM
Pistol: Sig P320c
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Remington UMC 115, Blazer Brass 115, Winchester Ranger 124 9mm Nato
Dates of testing: 8/6/15 -
Total rounds fired: 200
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Gun built on 23 April 2015. Purchased new, cleaned, and lubed with the grease Sig is including with each new purchase, Mil-Comm TW25B. Pistol shoots POA=POI from 5-25 yards with all loads tested. Pistol is extremely accurate. Coming from an M&P the trigger is amazing for a striker fired pistol.

pangloss
09-06-2015, 11:27 PM
Pistol: Glock 19, Gen 4, manufactured in early 2014
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 124 gr Aguila, 124 gr Geco (Hungarian), 124 gr Winchester NATO, 124 gr Prvi Partizan, 124 gr Armscor, 124 gr Freedom Munitions HP, 124 gr Speer Gold Dot, 115 gr American Eagle, 115 gr Blazer Brass, 115 gr Blazer Aluminum, 115 gr Wolf
Dates of testing: 4/22/2014 - 8/30/2015 (29 separate range trips)
Total rounds fired: 2142
Stoppages: 19
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0
Modifications to the pistol: I replaced factory sights with 10-8 performance sights after shooting ~700 rounds.

The gun was new when I purchased it in April, 2014. I did not clean or lubricate the gun before beginning the 2K round challenge or at any time during the challenge. The first stoppage occurred on round 1182 when a friend was firing 115 gr American Eagle through the pistol. The pistol ejected the spent brass but did not return to battery. Soon after that I began shooting 124 gr Hungarian Geco, and experienced numerous problems, most of which were consistent with under powered ammo. Most stoppages were failures to return to battery. Others included a couple of stove pipes, failures to extract, one failure to lock back after the last round in a mag, and one instance where the force of the recoil was insufficient cause contact between the spent brass and the ejector. In the last case, the empty brass slid right back into the chamber and resulted in a dry fire with the next trigger pull. I experienced one light strike with Wolf 115 gr ammo. The round fired with a second strike. Distribution of stoppages as a function of ammo is as follows: Geco, 13 stoppages; Wolf 5, stoppages; American Eagle, 1 stoppage. Four of the stoppages with Wolf ammo occurred during the last 10 rounds fired during the test. Prior to that the gun had fired over 100 rounds of Wolf with only the light strike stoppage. Of note, the problems I experienced shooting the 124 gr Geco ammo were significantly exacerbated by use of a Magpul GL9 magazine, which I have detailed in a previous thread (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?16387-Gen4-G19-observation-during-2000-round-challenge). Approximately 600 of the 2142 rounds fired through the pistol were 124 gr Geco or 115 gr Wolf. Approximately 750 rounds were Aguila 124 gr.

1986s4
09-18-2015, 07:57 AM
Pistol: Beretta 92G
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Magtech, Blazer brass, Aguila, PMC, local remans, Fiocchi (all 115gr), Magtech 124, Win 124 NATO
Dates of testing: 4/15 - 6/24
Total rounds fired: 2,020
Stoppages: 16?
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Bought new, lubed with Breakfree CLP. Installed Beretta factory oversize mag release, steel trigger+D spring and VZ golfball grips.

Pistol went ~1,400 rounds without issue, until I had 2 failures to fire from the same box of Magtech. Next range trip out of 260 rounds I had multiple failures to lock back on empty (I think 5?), as well as a failure to eject (stovepipe) with the local remanufactured stuff, which definitely felt softer shooting than anything else. I tried Fiocchi and had 9 stovepipes out of 10 rounds. Always been told Fiocchi is loaded a bit hot but this stuff was pretty weak. Next trip I let my girlfriend shoot 15 rounds, she experienced two stovepipes. Today it limped its way to 2,020 rounds and had two more failures to fire with Magtech. I immediately threw some CLP on the frame rails and shot the remaining 40 rounds of Fiocchi without issue.

So the FTEs were caused by too much filth + no lube + weak ammo/limp wristing. Not terribly worried about that but what concerns me are the failures to fire (all of which had shallow dimples on the primer indicating light strike, and all fired on the second try). I don't think I've ever had an FTF with Magtech ammo, and I've never heard of people having reliability issues with the factory D-spring. If anybody has any input there I'd be happy to hear it.

I am surprised by your Fiocchi experience. Maybe that stuff has hard primers? All my Berettas have had D springs with no issues and most of the ammo I use are my own reloads. I usually buy whatever primers are on sale, 10,000 Tula, 5000 S&B. Tula primers have a reputation for hardness.
Beretta 92's like to be run wet in my experience.

ReverendMeat
09-19-2015, 06:23 PM
I'm about 98% certain that the failures to fire were due to attempting to fire the pistol with the slide not fully in battery (in turn caused by the sticky gumminess. As an aside I know in my post I said I lubed it with BreakFree but I think it might have been Fireclean instead. Too late to edit the post though, of course).

Edwin
09-28-2015, 11:30 AM
Pistol: Beretta/Wilson 92G Brigadier Tactical
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Xtreme 9mm 147 gr .356, 3.7 grn HP-38, S&B or Magtech primers, 1.150" OAL
Dates of testing: 9/25/15-9/28/15
Total rounds fired: 2000+
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0
Modifications to the pistol: All mods were done before the test started.

*Removed magazine guide as that is not SSP/Production legal.
*Changed front tritium sight for a green fiber optic one.
*Shok-Buff Recoil Buffer installed.
*Wolf +10% power magazine springs.
*Action Tune.
*Wilson Combat Trigger Bar with 12 or 13 lb main spring (I forgot).

I've been using this gun since I got it a few months back in competition and took it to a Insights Intensive Handgun Skills class where we blasted through more than 2k rounds in 30 hours. Nothing happened. It just ran. I cleaned and lubed it up before the class and it's still going. Since the gun has about 5k rounds through it now, I'll be replacing all the springs in it before I fly out to CA for a major match this weekend.

Clusterfrack
10-11-2015, 10:49 AM
(discussion thread here (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?17518-Sig-P320-Grayguns-2000-round-report))

https://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4014&d=1444437095

Pistol: Sig P320 Full Size
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 125 gr SNS coated, 4.0 gr VV N320, CCI-500 primers, range brass
Dates of testing: 9/10/15 - 10/10/15
Total rounds fired: 2,080
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0
Modifications to the pistol (all done before testing):

Competition Action Job by Bruce Gray: 3.25 lb trigger pull
Dawson P series FO front sight: 0.220” tall, 0.115” wide
Grayguns/SPD Tool rear sight: 0.275" tall, 0.125” wide, 0.115” notch depth
Grayguns Fat Guide Rod, 14# ISMI 1911 recoil spring
Small gripframe
Springer Precision grip tape (tall)
Springer Precision magazine basepads, 0.25"



Lube: Froglube paste
Belt rig:

Double Alpha competition belt
Comp-Tac International holster
Springer Precision offset hanger
Ghost 360 Mag pouches (bullets forward)



Comments:
This is my new competition setup for USPSA Production, and occasionally IDPA SSP, and Multigun.

Corey
10-30-2015, 03:08 PM
Pistol: Smith & Wesson M&P Pro 5”
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 124 gr plated round nose handloads
Dates of testing: 7/15/2015 – 10/28/2015 (17 range visits)
Total rounds fired: 2106
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Took the gun out of the box, lubed it with TW25B and started shooting :cool:

IUHKLMKa
11-20-2015, 03:51 AM
•Pistol: Glock 17 Ext slide release, Warren FO sights, 3.5 ghost connector, covered in grip tape
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: CCI Blazer (aluminum) 115gr;Winchester 147gr Rangers, Federal 124gr Nato shit, Wolf 115gr, Brown Bear 115gr
Dates of testing: Jan, 01 2011- Feb ,05 2011
Total rounds fired: 2,300

Glock1992
11-23-2015, 01:38 PM
Interested in knowing you got the coin? Obviously for getting the F.A.S.T. under 7, but how would one go about getting one?

60167
12-16-2015, 12:09 PM
Pistol: Glock 43
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Freedom Munitions 115 grain
Dates of testing: 11-04-2015 12-13-2015
Total rounds fired: 2000+
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0
Modifications to the pistol: All mods were done before the test started.

Before the test started I added a set of Meprolight night sights and a ghost connector. I also polished the internals. I cleaned and lubricated the gun generously with Wilson Combat lube.

I expected to induce malfunctions though inadvertently holding down the slide lock like I do on my shield, but that never happened. I only used the two magazines that came with the gun, and I probably used the one with the pinkie extension 70 percent of the time.

I wasn’t sure how accurate this gun could be at first, but I was quickly surprised by how well it shot past 20 yards.

I never had a single malfunction. I never had to mess with it.

jkb4c
12-19-2015, 09:19 PM
Pistol: Colt XSE 1911
Caliber: 45 ACP
Ammunition: 230 gr Blazer Brass FMJ
Dates of testing: 12/4 - 12/19
Total rounds fired: 2,000
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
Lube used was Wilson Ultima Lube (grease) on rails and barrel hood, Breakfree CLP elsewhere. I used 3 Tripp Cobramag 8 rounders for the duration of the test.
The only real issue encountered was due to the sharp edges on the Colt... after 2k down the pipe in a couple of weeks, the web of my strong hand has a hell of a blister.

Filthy gun shot:
http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae219/buckjamesk/462c4a31-f2f3-4e0f-8ab3-06a21c299915_zps3mmznprw.jpg (http://s973.photobucket.com/user/buckjamesk/media/462c4a31-f2f3-4e0f-8ab3-06a21c299915_zps3mmznprw.jpg.html)

Trooper224
01-10-2016, 04:35 PM
Pistol: Walther PPQ M2 5"
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 100 rounds 124grn +P Speer Gold Dot HP. 100 rounds 124grn Gold Dot Standard Pressure, 1800 rounds hand loads consisting of 125grn RNL cast bullet and 4.2 grains of Titegroup Powder, both CCI and Winchester primers used.
Dates of testing: Nov. 3- 2015-Dec. 29 2015
Rounds: 2,000
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Lubed before test with Hoppe's lube oil. No specific reason for lube choice, it was to hand. No further lubrication during test. Sights replaced with a set from Dawson Precision prior to test. No further modifications before or during test.

http://m4.i.pbase.com/g9/64/521964/2/162306624.HbUm4NDj.jpg

Dave J
02-21-2016, 04:47 PM
Pistol: Kahr Arms CW9
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 1471 rds Freedom Munitions 115gr; 222 rds Freedom Munitions 124gr; 215 rds Aguila 124gr; lesser amounts of PMC, Geco, Speer, CCI, and Tula
Dates of testing: 11 Nov 2012 – 10 Nov 2015
Total rounds fired: 2,084

Stoppages: 4 failures to lock back on empty magazine (all while shooting SHO, where my thumb tends to ride the slide stop).
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Modifications to the pistol: Novak rear sight, minor deburring

Comments:
This CW9 was purchased as a training gun to complement a P9 I use for NPE or suit carry. Basically, it rides in my range bag, and gets shot a limited amount most every range trip. I did not purposefully set out to do a 2,000 round challenge, but inadvertently accomplished it over three years by not maintaining the gun.

After completion of the "official" 2000 round period, the gun fired an additional 209 rounds without cleaning or lubrication before experiencing a FTC stoppage.

When brand new, the gun would not reliably cycle with 115-gr Federal Champion ammo, short stroking 6 times in the first 50 rounds. After the first 50 rounds, the gun ran the same ammo with no problems.
6074

LockedBreech
03-07-2016, 07:48 PM
Won't lie, for the price point, I'm frankly stunned the Kahr CW9 did that well.

Tamara
03-17-2016, 10:19 AM
Pistol: Sig Sauer P250C
Caliber: .380 ACP
Ammunition: FMJ: TulAmmo, Fiocchi, Magtech, Sig Sauer, Federal, Sellier & Bellot. Also Hornady Critical Defense and Barnes TAC-XPD
Dates of testing: 11/24/15-3/16/16
Total rounds fired: 2,002
Stoppages: 2 (The gun failed to go completely into battery on round #447, slide closed all the way when mag floorplate was tapped. Primer did not light off on the first trigger pull on round #1,578. Fired normally when trigger pulled a second time.)
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
The recoil spring on this gun is crazy light. Seven pounds?

6566

Trigger
03-17-2016, 02:52 PM
Tam,

You used such a wide-angle lens on that photo that it appears the slide quite is banana-shaped!

Tamara
03-17-2016, 03:44 PM
Tam,

You used such a wide-angle lens on that photo that it appears the slide quite is banana-shaped!

Macro on the point & shoot Nikon P7000 has a hard time focusing at anything but the wide angle setting. :(

Clobbersaurus
04-25-2016, 09:49 PM
I forgot to post this from the Beretta 92D thread...

Pistol: Beretta 92D Centurion
Caliber: 9MM
Ammunition: FMJ: 124g American Eagle
Dates of testing: November 2015 - March 2016
Total rounds fired: 2,014
Stoppages: 11 stoppages (2 failures to feed due to a dirty mag and 9 failures of the slide to lock back due to improper grip).
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0


http://i.imgur.com/4lC5wabl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JlSZzF7l.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tFFqbEFl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2FKnbSAl.jpg

Nephrology
05-22-2016, 04:15 PM
Pistol: Gen 4 Glock 19
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: FMJ: Wolf 115gr, Magtech 115gr, Brown Bear 115gr, Federal HST 147gr
Dates of testing: 3/21/16-5/22/16
Total rounds fired: 2560
Stoppages: 5 (1 FTE with Magtech when the EDP assembly was improperly installed; 1 FTE with Wolf when the mag was partially unseated; 3x FTFires with Brown Bear that I attribute to hard russian primers)
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
Gun was bought NIB and shot until round 550; Gen 3 trigger bar + FBI mag catch + new sights then installed. Small amount of lube was applied to the new trigger bar at the same time. The next 2010 rounds were fired without any additional cleaning or lube. Gun was then cleaned thoroughly and will be used as my new EDC pistol. Click for pics of (yet another) dirty glock.

http://imgur.com/a/bP5vm

The 2 failures to extract happened early in testing and do not really worry me - especially the one that occurred with the partially unseated mag. The first FTE I got with the magtech was a little odd, especially because in cleaning it now I found the EDP to be yet again partially disassembled (spring not fully attached to the bar). Swapping it for a spare for the time being, but the gun ran a good 2010 rounds since I re-seated it so not a huge concern either. Only other comment I have is that this gun is extremely accurate - even in my not so great hands I had no problem getting 4" groups at 25 yd. Very happy with it.

JCS
05-22-2016, 06:35 PM
Wow this is an awesome thread. I would love to try this someday.


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Tamara
05-30-2016, 10:12 PM
Pistol: Gen 3 Glock 37
Caliber: .45GAP
Ammunition: S&B, Magtech, American Eagle, Remington, Speer Lawman 230gr FMJ. 185gr JHP in Hydra-Shok, MagTech Guardian Gold, and Speer GDHP flavors. 230gr Federal HST.
Dates of testing: 11/20/15-4/18/16
Total rounds fired: 2010
Stoppages: 2 (1 FTF with 230gr American Eagle FMJ on round #1,589 (http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2016/03/malfunction.html). One failure-to-fire with Remington 230gr FMJ on round #1,712 (http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2016/04/glockglockglock.html); the round fired on the second time around.)
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Tamara
05-31-2016, 06:33 PM
Pistol: Sig Sauer P320 full-size
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: Wolf Polyformance, CCI Blazer, Federal RTP, American Eagle, MagTech, Blazer Brass, Fiocchi, Brown Bear, Speer Lawman FMJ. Remington HTP, Hornady Critical Defense Lite, Federal 9BPLE, Federal 147gr HST +P JHP.
Dates of testing: 3/20/15-8/4/15
Total rounds fired: 2000
Stoppages: 4 (1 FTF with Federal 9BPLE on round #978 (http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2015/06/malfunction.html). Three failures-to-fire, all on Wolf Ployformance, on rounds #903 (http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2015/06/still-gettin-siggy-wit-it.html), #1,323 (http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2015/07/and-1400.html), and #1,495 (http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2015/07/three-quarters-there.html). In all cases the round fired on the second time around.)
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

ReverendMeat
06-08-2016, 09:25 PM
Pistol: SIG SP2022
Caliber: 9mm Para
Ammunition: Herter's (repackaged S&B), Magtech, Blazer brass, Independence, UMC, WWB, Federal Champion, Fiocchi, Aguila 115 and 124, American Eagle 115 and 124, HST 124 standard pressure. Everything 115 gr unless otherwise noted.
Dates of testing: 12/29/2015 - 6/8/2016
Total rounds fired: 2,003
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Bought new. I don't remember if I initially lubed it or not but if I did it was with Breakfree CLP and there isn't a molecule of it left on the gun. Frequent failures to lock back on empty which I do not count as a stoppage as it is simply proof that the slide stop also functions as a slide release. Gun is unmodified save for Warren Tactical F/O sights and is carried in an JMCK "George" AIWB.

Good gun. Gave no sign of slowing down, whereas my metal framed TDA pistols start cycling sluggishly at ~1500 rounds.

That fiocchi 115 had a helluva muzzle blast btw.

ssb
06-09-2016, 05:01 PM
Wrong thread.

Greg
07-02-2016, 07:50 PM
Pistol: CZ P-07 (gen 2)
Caliber: 9mm Para
Ammunition: 115gr Remington, 115gr Herters, 124 & 147gr Federal HST, 124 & 147gr handloads
Dates of testing: 6/13/16 - 7/2/16
Total rounds fired: 2056
Stoppages: 1 ~ due to a sideways primer on one of my handloads (about round #750)
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Zxk3kgPt6dA/V3hdBHYYGmI/AAAAAAAADG8/Qa0lNzv-VAM1VBh7q6ATVngq-yds9dEKwCCo/s1000/sideways_primer.JPG

Pistol was purchased new, factory oil was cleaned off and pistol was lubed with Mobil 1 5w-30. Set screws on both front and rear sights received Blue Loctite. Factory hammer spring and firing pin spring were replaced with CGW HS-18 & 97041 springs. (these guns are sprung for garbage CommBlock ammo).

Approx 1500 dry fires using a snap cap prior to actual shooting.

All shooting done in the hot, sunny Utah desert. 90 - 100 degrees.
Pistol ran great and the Mobil 1 held up quite well. Rails and barrel hood were still wet, barrel was dry but the finish shows very little wear.

ssb
07-11-2016, 11:48 PM
"New" Gen 4 G17.

Pistol was purchased as a used firearm from the dealer who represented it to be "as new in box." Fired casings stated June 2013 as the production date. Pistol appeared to have little/no use and still had factory grease applied.

After cleaning and lubricating, performed an initial function check that day consisting of 100 rounds of 115gr WWB, 100 rounds of Winchester 124gr "NATO," and 50 rounds of Speer Gold Dot 124gr+P. During that initial function test, one hard BTF occurred with WWB and several near-misses occurred. Weak ejection was observed with WWB. Ejection was consistent with the NATO and Gold Dots. Made sight calculations at this time.

Before the test:
- Installed a spare APEX FRE and non-LCI SLB from my parts kit due to the observed BTF described above.
- Installed 10-8 Performance fiber optics with a .235"/.115" front, .140" rear, red fiber optic and verified POA/POI with them. Note: this resulted in a tip-of-the-front-sight POI past 20yds, and a behind-the-rod POI through 15yds, with both my Gold Dots and most of the cheap FMJ used. I'm pleased with that. 10-8 recommends a .215 height for the G17.
- Installed a Grip Force Adapter.
- Thoroughly cleaned the gun, lubricated the connector with TW-25B, and lubricated the gun per the manual's directions with Fireclean.

Test notes:
- Apart from a 200 round vetting of my carry mags with Gold Dots, Magpul 17-round PMAGs were used exclusively for this test. Part of the goal of this test was to validate the magazines over semi-long term use. The magazines were dropped on gravel and concrete at times, sometimes loaded and sometimes not. I did not conduct thorough recording of the number of drops/etc. because I didn't think that was something I could realistically keep to. I chose instead to simply use the magazines as I ordinarily would. The four magazines used were previously new-in-wrap magazines of the current generation.
- After initial vetting, I began carrying the gun. I live in the South. It's like six million degrees outside with 300% humidity right now. Due to sweat concerns, I periodically wiped down the exterior of the gun only with a silicone cloth and a little bit of CLP. I took care not to introduce the CLP into the internals of the gun by spraying it onto the cloth prior to wiping the pistol down. The pistol was never field stripped during this time.

Ammunition used:

- 270 rounds of Speer Gold Dot 124gr+P
- 500 rounds of Winchester 124gr "NATO"
- 657 rounds of Winchester "Forged" steel case 115gr FMJ
- 50 rounds of American Eagle 147gr FMJ
- 200 rounds of Winchester WWB 115gr FMJ
- 150 rounds of Independence aluminum case 115gr FMJ
- 204 124gr Berry's Plated FMJ over 4.1gr of Bullseye (reloads)

Total rounds fired: 2031
Test dates: 06/19/2016-07/10/2016
Malfunctions: 0 * **
Stoppages: 0
Breakages: 0

* On 07/04/2016, my journal notes the following: "2x BTF, weak ejection observed when (another shooter) was shooting, ammo WWB 115gr." I was personally struck in the head twice by WWB after the APEX FRE and non-LCI SLB were installed. I did notice weak ejection when a buddy was shooting, but that ejection was consistent. The pistol did not fail to go through its complete cycle of operation at any point.
** On 07/02/2016, during a local class, about 20 double-feeds and FTF/FTEs were intentionally set up using snap caps. These were not counted against the gun because they were intentionally induced with dummy ammunition.

Observations:
- There were no malfunctions or stoppages despite the use of the four Magpul mags for approximately 1800 rounds. The magazines fed 70 rounds of Gold Dots without issue. They felt sluggish when loading steel and aluminum cased ammunition as they got dirty but no failures were experienced as a result. I would like to see how the magazines fare when loaded over the long term, but on the surface I see no reason why they would not be reliable enough for carry or defensive use. They fed as much cheap shit as I could feed them without issue.
- I'm not sure what to make of the BTF with the WWB after the APEX extractor was installed. Because those rounds were fired outdoors and with no barriers on either side of me, I'm sure that the BTF was indeed BTF and not simply fired casings bouncing off a lane divider. I did not observe it with any other ammunition type. I believe the pistol is reliable enough for carry, however, based on the consistency of extraction with the Gold Dots and the NATO ammunition.
- The trigger was absolute suck out of the box, and probably the worst I've ever felt on a normal-size Glock. I don't have a trigger pull gauge, but I'd estimate over 7lbs initially and the break felt like snapping a pencil in half. Regular dry fire, the TW-25B, and 2000 rounds have started to clean the pull up, to where the break feels a little more rolling. It has a dot connector in it. I'll chalk that up to parts variation, but I'm considering a little judicious polishing.
- The pistol is fairly accurate. It turned in three separate <2" groups when benched at 25yds with the Gold Dots, which is right on the ragged edge of my limits. On 6/19/2016, I was able to turn in aggregate scores of 97-3x, 95-4x, and 96-1x in 10-shot strings on a B8 at 25yds with a 30 second par time using Gold Dots. While it's not amazing as compared to many here, that's some of the most accurate pistol shooting I've ever done off hand. I believe it to be a product of finding a sight combo that really works for me, the fit of the pistol in my hands, and the sight radius. I've previously been a G19 guy but I'm enamored with how the G17 performs in my hands.
- I observed no significant difference in split times between the G17 and a G19. I did, however, feel more confident taking shots to a 3x5 card at speed.

BigT
10-14-2016, 10:36 AM
Pistol: STI Short Block (basically an EDGE)
Caliber: .40loaded long
Ammunition:All Reloads 200 and 180gr Frontier Plated CMJ loaded to 180 PF. Match ammo is case gauged, most practice ammo isn't. Some of the ammo in this test (100 or so rounds) was from my failed the case gauge pile.
Dates of testing: Oct 1-Oct 14 2016
Total rounds fired: 2000
Stoppages: 2 One instance of a round but a mangled case mouth from my case gauge failure pile. This was between round 1300-1500 I wouldn't trust any gun that actually chambered that round. Not holding it against the gun myself. One magazine follower stuck in place and had to be knocked loose. Not the guns fault just a sign that I need to only use Grams followers. This was between round 1800-1900
2 * though
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
I had no intention of doing a 2000 round challenge with this gun. Noticed it was 1200 rounds since it was cleaned and knew I had to do some practice for an upcoming level three so decided to push it. I lubed with Slip EWG and the gun is still slick and well lubed. Last 500 rounds wer shot in a very brief session this afternoon where the gun got hot enough that the gad pedal was unpleasant to touch.

The two * are

The slide does not lock back on empty on this gun due to the design of the thumbrest

I do brush mags when they hit the ground at matches , did not in practice

These rounds where fired in Two level 2 matches

A local match that entails 8x40 round stages

And three practice sessions.

This gun could not get through 200 rounds without a malfuntion until the fitment of an Aftec Extractor. AFtec has made the gun run like an stabbed rat.​

BigT
10-16-2016, 01:19 PM
Meant to clean the above STI but didn't get around to it.

Shot it a club match today. Another 185 rounds with no issue.

Shock Buff is on 2185 rounds as well. Will have a look at the state of it when I get around to cleaning it's. Which has to be this week sometime.

SLG
10-16-2016, 02:02 PM
I just shot a couple rds of Trap, 2 rds of Skeet, and a half rd of sporting clays. I think my Benelli Supersport is at about 2000 rds now without cleaning or lubing.

Don't know if that counts in anyway, but I couldn't resist. :-)

victran
11-03-2016, 04:13 PM
Pistol: Beretta 92G Elite II
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 115 grain: Blazer Brass, Blazer Aluminum, Freedom Munition Reloads, Freedom Munition American Steel
Dates of testing: 9/2016 - 11/2016
Total rounds fired: 2,016
Stoppages: 6
Malfunctions: 3
Breakages: 0

Comments: bought the gun off Armslist in late August. Owner did not shoot it at all and was in a safe for over ten years untouched. I received the gun in late August and had Dawson .115 front fiber installed. Internals are polished Wilson Combat trigger bar, 13# hammer spring, 11.5# recoil spring, and polished hammer and trigger. NO LUBRICATION applied upon receiving gun. Beretta magazines that came with the gun were developing rust through classes and I still shot with them. I will say that all 3 double feeds were with those magazines. 1 light primer strike, 5 failure to go into battery (tap slide forward).

Nephrology
11-04-2016, 06:48 PM
Pistol: Gen 4 Glock 17 - Date of Manufacture is 07/2014
Caliber: 9x19mm
[b]Ammunition: Mixture of Wolf, Brown bear, Silver bear, Remington 147gr Golden Sabers, 124gr +P Speer Gold Dots. Too lazy to dig out exact round counts per ammo.
Dates of testing: 4/22/16 - 11/4/16
Total rounds fired: 2608 through my hands; 300 fired per previous owner. total round count: 2908. Interval of 2k Challenge: 720 - 2908 rounds.
Stoppages: Multiple failures to fire with hard-primered Russian 9mm (Brown Bear, Wolf). No other failures during the 2k challenge interval, but 1 FTFeed with a 10rd neutered magazine prior to starting the 2k round challenge. Otherwise flawless
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments: Works like a Glock. I abused this gun pretty heavily, including tossing it in piles of the really fine moon dust-y sand that lives at my range. No problems. The russian ammo FTFires were unsurprising to me.

Worth noting I installed a White Sound HRED at approximately round ~450, more or less immediately after getting the gun. Have had no BTF issues that I can think of over the course of the last 2600 rounds. If I had any problems, they predate the HRED and any since have been so sporadic as to be forgettable.

Nephrology
11-05-2016, 01:20 PM
Pistol: Gen 4 Glock 17 - Date of Manufacture is 07/2014
Caliber: 9x19mm
[b]Ammunition: Mixture of Wolf, Brown bear, Silver bear, Remington 147gr Golden Sabers, 124gr +P Speer Gold Dots. Too lazy to dig out exact round counts per ammo.
Dates of testing: 4/22/16 - 11/4/16
Total rounds fired: 2608 through my hands; 300 fired per previous owner. total round count: 2908. Interval of 2k Challenge: 720 - 2908 rounds.
Stoppages: Multiple failures to fire with hard-primered Russian 9mm (Brown Bear, Wolf). No other failures during the 2k challenge interval, but 1 FTFeed with a 10rd neutered magazine prior to starting the 2k round challenge. Otherwise flawless
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments: Works like a Glock. I abused this gun pretty heavily, including tossing it in piles of the really fine moon dust-y sand that lives at my range. No problems. The russian ammo FTFires were unsurprising to me.

Worth noting I installed a White Sound HRED at approximately round ~450, more or less immediately after getting the gun. Have had no BTF issues that I can think of over the course of the last 2600 rounds. If I had any problems, they predate the HRED and any since have been so sporadic as to be forgettable.

Photos.... in case you hadn't seen a dirty Glock before.

It's worth noting that while technically the challenge started at round 720 because I ended up adding some lube to the connector, the gun has not seen real, substantial cleaning since I bought it with 300 rounds down the pipe. It's gone most of the last 2600 rounds with basically 0 cleaning of any kind. Just finished giving it a good solid scrubbing.... it really needed it. Will put another 100 rounds of carry ammo through it to check POA/POI once I get some tritium sights for it and then will keep it loaded for winter carry.

Dirty Glock pics:

http://i.imgur.com/EXePgYx.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/LDf1QMi.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/YMG0gB1.png

http://i.imgur.com/B6XRpju.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/pazkxVZ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/trSasT3.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/kV8d5oh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/DaqM3a9.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/4HcoYda.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Fu9DYDH.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/LIz6G9R.jpg

Detmongo
11-11-2016, 05:56 PM
Pistol:Glock 17 gen4
Caliber:9mm
Ammunition: various standard 124 gr. Gold Dot, +p 124 gr. Gold Dot, Win. 127 gr.+p+, Win.147 gr Bonded, Win.147 gr.Ranger, Gold Dot G2 147gr.,Win. 124 gr. Nato ball, Speer 124 gr ball, various 115gr ball and 115gr. HP
Date of testing:10/24/16-11/11/16
Total rounds fired: 2000rds
Stoppages:0
Malfunctions:0
Breackages:0
Comments: took the gun out of the box added a few drops of Hoppes elite oil. Shot the gun with the 3 supplied 15 rds mags that came with the gun plus 6 additional full capacity G.17 mags.. I wouild to tell you about any issues but the gun ran without issues for the full 2000rds.., no brass to face. Also ran the gun with a Surefire x300 for the last 1000 rds. again no issues.:cool:

JTQ
11-12-2016, 08:57 AM
Pistol: Beretta 92G Elite II
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 115 grain: Blazer Brass, Blazer Aluminum, Freedom Munition Reloads, Freedom Munition American Steel
Dates of testing: 9/2016 - 11/2016
Total rounds fired: 2,016
Stoppages: 6
Malfunctions: 3
Breakages: 0

... Owner did not shoot it at all and was in a safe for over ten years untouched... NO LUBRICATION applied upon receiving gun.
Are you saying this gun had not been lubricated in 10 years (as far as you know)?

victran
11-13-2016, 09:14 PM
Are you saying this gun had not been lubricated in 10 years (as far as you know)?

yup, the seller had it sitting in his safe in the old Beretta box for over 10 years since his purchase of it and i bought it. installed a Dawson front sight, lighter recoil spring, lighter hammer spring, dropped in a polished Wilson trigger bar and began shooting it. the gun had its hiccups with Blazer Aluminum in the mix of my training ammo with the old Beretta mags that came with the gun. those mags even had some surface rust developed on them by the end of my classes in novemeber.

Hambo
11-28-2016, 02:07 PM
Pistol: Beretta 92F (1989 mfg)
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: My handloads-147gr SNS FP, 3.2gr Bullseye, range brass, Remington/MagTech/CCI primers
Dates of testing: 9/16-11/16
Rounds fired: 1975
Stoppages: 2 FTF during rounds last 180 rounds. (See below)
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

I bought this pistol cheap as a range gun last year. Before shooting it I replaced the locking block, firing pin, FP spring, and recoil spring.

This didn't start out as a test, I just realized that today I just short of 2K rounds through it since I last cleaned it. Before cleaning this pistol in August 2016 sometime, I was just adding oil to keep it running. I cleaned it pretty thoroughly (for me) and lubed it with either Lucas red grease or Wilson grease. Today it had two FTFs in 180 rounds, probably because it's getting filthy and dry. I'll probably just add some grease and see how much longer it goes before I absolutely have to clean it.

DanPop
12-10-2016, 06:08 PM
I hit 2,300 rounds without cleaning my Taurus PT111 G2 today, took 5 trips to the range. Round one to round 2,300 not one misfire, fte, or ftp. This is one badass gun and I only paid 240 for it in Feb. I use mainly Remington umc 115 gr. and some Blazer Brass 124 gr. I am going back to the range tomorrow and put 200 more rounds then clean it. I know there a lot of Taurus haters out there but this is one solid pistol.

Luke
12-11-2016, 12:22 AM
I hit 2,300 rounds without cleaning my Taurus PT111 G2 today, took 5 trips to the range. Round one to round 2,300 not one misfire, fte, or ftp. This is one badass gun and I only paid 240 for it in Feb. I use mainly Remington umc 115 gr. and some Blazer Brass 124 gr. I am going back to the range tomorrow and put 200 more rounds then clean it. I know there a lot of Taurus haters out there but this is one solid pistol.


What type of lube did you use during the test?

LSW
12-12-2016, 08:33 PM
M&P 40c
Caliber .40 S&W
Start Date 11/1/16
Finish Date 12/12/16

Rounds Fired: 2000
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages 0

Type of ammo used: Speer 155gr "TMJ"
Federal 180gr FMJ
Last 500 rounds were Federal HST 180gr (my carry ammo)

Pleased with it. Second try, first attempt I tried to use Winchester White Box ammo and it failed to extract a few times in the 1k-1.2k range. I've read similar problems with WWB from other people, supposedly the dimensions of the brass are a little off.

Anyway, 100% this time and flawless for the last 500 rounds with my carry ammo through the dirty gun, so I'm happy. No lube added per the rules, used breakfree CLP on the rails/barrel and a dab of xf7 grease on the top of the trigger bar hook at the beginning. I'm pretty confident in this pistol so I continued to use it as my CCW during the test.