2,000 Round Challenge

[LSW]

A few pictures:
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In cleaner times with it's brother:

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[1986s4]

2000 Round Challenge

Pistol: Colt Government Model, bought new fall of 2012
Caliber: .38 Super Auto
Ammunition used: Fiocchi, Armscor, Geco, Sig Sauer, Remington, Handloads.
Dates of testing: 8/19/16 to 12/12/16
Total Rounds Fired: 2005
Stoppages: 6, failure to go into battery
Malfunctions: Zero
Breakages: Zero

Comments:
All stoppages traced back to a combination of Checkmate 10 round magazines and Armscor ammunition. The Checkmate 10 rounders will not seat when fully loaded with the slide in battery anyway so they really are 9 round magazines in practical use. When used with the Colt, MecGar, Wilson and Tripp magazines the Armscor ammunition is fully functional but the least accurate in my pistol.

The pistol was lubed with Enos Slide Glide #3 [thickest stuff] and Mobil 1 to start. The modifications I've made to this pistol:
Sights: Dawson red FO front, 10-8 NM rear [the one that fits in the stock dovetail]. Dawson “IDPA' length extended mag release, Wilson Combat 15# flat-wire recoil spring, short guide rod. Modest beveling of sharp Colt edges, bob hammer spur, adjust let out of grip safety and polishing of feed ramp. Cerocote satin black finish.

Nowhere on the pistol does the word “Operator” or “Tactical” appear, it's just a regular old Colt 1911 that just keeps going. I have decided not to thoroughly clean the pistol after this test, just field strip, inspect, reapply lube and keep going. I would trust it for carry.

The environmental conditions encountered during the test ranged from very warm, dry and dusty to cold, wet. I did not try to shield the pistol from the talcum like dust on the range. In fact, I deliberately shot the pistol prone very close to the dust to see what would happen from the kicked up dust. Nothing, the dust stuck to the oily, greasy bits but no issues. The test concluded in very cold weather with a wind chill below 32 deg. No issues with the Enos SG #3 which is rather thick.

[DanPop]

What type of lube did you use during the test?

Weapon Shield, they make synthetic oil, grease and cleaner and this stuff is so underrated.

[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: Glock 42

Caliber: .380 Auto

Ammunition: 95 grain Geco, 94 grain Silver Bear, 95 grain Winchester White Box, 94 grain PPU, Hornady Critical Defense FTX, Hornady Custom XTP, Federal Hydrashock, Buffalo Bore standard pressure 90 grain hardcast, Winchester Silvertips, Winchester SXZ, Corbon JHP (two different types.)

Dates of testing: 12/26/16-1/19/16
Total rounds fired: 2,000

Stoppages: 2 bad rounds of ammo, one squib that failed to cycle slide and one mis pressed primer that ignited but was sideways in primer pocket and did not ignite powder. Estimated 150, all failure to lock back on empty mag while firing two handed. All 100% grip related.

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Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
I use a G42 as a BUG and lightweight gun to carry during work outs. I wanted to use the 2000 round challenge to get more familiar with it. This G42 was bought specifically as a trainer. I installed Defoor sights, greased the rails and started shooting it out of the box. I am impressed with this small pistol. At the end of test, the slide isn't the least bit sticky and it could go much further.

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Two handed grip with a dominant right hand can cause pressure on the slide lock and prevent the slide locking back on empty. This never happened with one handed shooting and happened less throughout the challenge as I learned to adjust my grip.

The gun is generally delightful to shoot.

[LangdonTactical]

2000 round test.

Pistol:Beretta PX4 Full Size
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition Used: Winchester 115 FMJ, Super Vel 147 Hush Puppy, CCI 124 FMJ, Winchester 115 Win Clean.
Dates of Testing: January 25th to February 5th, 2017
Total Rounds Fired: 2040
Stoppages: 0
Malfuntions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments: This is my jump into giving a full-size PX4 a run. This gun has the stealth levers installed, the frame has been stippled, trigger job done with WC #12 hammer spring, and Ameriglo Sights installed. The full test was done with Streamlight TLR-1 mounted to the gun. Gun was lubed with Lucus gun oil after the trigger job was done and that was all.

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[todd]

H&K VP9
9x19mm
Ammunition: Name it, this pistol has been used in a great many classes and have just about every type through it, and steel casing
Started 9-12-15 to 2-13-17
Total rounds fired- 2,200

Stoppage: zero
Malfunctions: zero even with new shooter's not having great grip
Breakages: Zero

Note: This pistol was NIB, cleaned and lubricated, then took to shoot, just so happen taught a class that weekend, and was loaned. I decided to shoot it and use it without any cleaning or added lubrication. It has run flawlessly. I always known H&K was superb, but this really impressed me.

[Hemiram]

Well, after lurking here for some time, I decided to go nuts and blow most of my 9mm ammo I've saved up, and put one of my guns through this.

Tanfoglio "Mossad" T/A 90. Surplus import from Irsael, of course. Unknown number of rounds through it before I got it. I replaced the recoil spring as it had seen better days, cleaned the spider eggs out of the magazine that came with it, lubed it with BreakFree CLP, as I have used in all my guns for the almost 40 years I've been shooting. Shot about 200 rounds through it with no problems, cleaned and started the test 12/15, ended 2/13/17. 1000 rounds were fired over the last week or so.
Ammunition: All kinds, including Georgia Arms reman, WWB, Perfecta, S&B, Blazer Brass, and even some old Nyclad stuff that's 30 years old. All 115gr.
Total rounds fired: 2100

Stoppages: Six, all with the Ga Arms ammo. Several (3) were very weak and the slide didn't appear to retract all the way causing problems. One was just a dead round. Primer was punched hard, but didn't fire, no powder inside the case. I still have 500 rounds of it, but I won't buy any more of it.
Malfunctions: Zero.
Breakage: None.

Near the end, I really thought it would just stop due to all the crud all over everything. The slide was running pretty slow at the end, there were several delays going into battery the last 100 rounds or so. The trigger was very hard to pull towards the end too. I paid something like $350 for this gun, and it's been a total winner from day one. I like it so much, I bought another fullsized one, and a compact one too.


I don't have any pics of the cruddy gun, but here are the pics from the auction that I bought it on from 2011.


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[Wonder9]

Long time lurker

Pistol: FrankenBeretta 92FS
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Blazer AL/Brass, PMC Bronze, Fed Champion AL/Brass, Tula, WWB, Win 9mm NATO, and Speer Lawman for FMJ. Fed Hydrashok, Win Silvertip, Speer Gold Dot, and Hornaday Critical Defense for JHP
Dates of testing: 5/16 - 2/17
Total rounds fired: 2,075
Stoppages: 2 (Tula dud rounds)
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments: Bought as a well used ex-LE Beretta 92G a few years ago. Swapped G slide for FS slide, spring rehab, added D spring, E2 hammer, and Wolff TCU. Probably put 3K through it before I started tracking rounds. Beretta was cleaned with CLP, and lubed with EWG before starting the challenge. Only issue was a couple of duds of Tula 9mm in the 1700 round range. Wouldn't work in another 92FS as well.

[LockedBreech]

That's an impressive variety of ammo. The 92FS is always impressive with ammo adaptability.

As an aside, they seem to have extended that flexibility to their PX4 line, in my 9 years of owning it I must have fed my PX4 every type of .40 S&W ammo in existence with nary a problem.

[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: Glock 19 Gen 4.

Caliber: 9mm

Ammunition: Many types. Primarily PPU 115 grain.

Dates of testing: 12/5/16-2/24/16
Total rounds fired: 2,055
Stoppages: 1 fail to load final round from magazine from slidelock. Problem traced to very old 1990s era "LE only" mag with weak spring and old follower design.

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This gun will stovepipe or eject rounds through the magwell every third round or so if fired with no magazine in gun. I am not counting those as stoppages as the gun is designed to be fired with the magazine in place.

Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:

This is a mismatched lower and upper that was having failures to eject and brass to face issues. The 336 ejector was swapped for the 3074 ejector just prior to the start of the test. I am confident in the pistol at this point and would carry it without hesitation.

[MVS]

Pistol:Gen 4 Glock 17 MOS
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Perfecta 115 FMJ, Magtech 115 FMJ, Tula steelcase 115 FMJ
Dates of testing: 12/24/2016-2/25/2017
Total rounds fired: 2,023
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
This gun was bought new as the competition companion to my EDC G19 w/RMR. It has a Glockmeister stock 3.5lb drop in replacement trigger pack. It started out with a Vortex Viper MRDS but I become increasingly unhappy with that and it now wears a Leupold Delta Point Pro. Most of the rounds put through the gun were in practice along with a couple of USPSA matches. Very happy that there has been no BTF issues.

[Sherman A. House DDS]

Pistol: S&W M&P Pro FS
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Magtech 115 FMJ, Tula steelcase 115 FMJ, Blazer Brass 115 FMJ, Blazer Aluminum 115 FMJ
Dates of testing: DEC 2015-FEB 2017
Total rounds fired: 2018
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments: I'm an M&P fan. This gun has been flawless, operationally. The accuracy has been acceptable (3" at 25 yards). However, the front sight has to be slightly bumped to make the POA/POI coincide. It's not even noticeable, probably, to the casual observer. I am thinking about trying out an Apex barrel, and recentering the front sight in the dovetail, to see what it'll do. I have a brace of these now, and I love them. I have a 2.0, that I'm having new sights put on, and then that'll start the 2000 test.

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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170302/653a832149f5692a9cfad09f402396e6.jpg The JMCK AIWB with neo wedge. Runs great and it's concealable. The Bawidamann Uber horizontal mag pouch. After wearing these (under t shirts) I can't carry mags any other way. It hides right next to my clinch pick.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170302/09717810ae1a1bfa0cad7166dd08a297.jpg Claude Werner's Performance Standard. The hands are little because this was shot by my Son, who helps with my log book work, and gets some shooting in as well.



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[LJD]

I'm going about this in a slightly different way -

Pistol: Walther PPQ 4in
Caliber: 9x19
Ammunition: 115 grain American Steel, PMC bronze; 124 grain Freedom fmj
Dates of Testing: 2/21/17 - 3/5/17
Total Rounds Fired: 495
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Gun already had 6000+ rounds through it. Failure free for first 4500-5000. Had some failures to fire in last 1000, and Walther repaired it quick and easy under warranty with a new trigger. Started the 2000 round challenge upon its return without cleaning (about 300 rounds worth including some pre-repair failures and Walther's testing). The first 100 back were by a new shooter with a poor grip. The remaining 395 have been in practice and a match. No failures so far.

[LSW]

S&W M&P 2.0 9mm 4.25" "full size"

Ammunition: 501 Federal P9HST3, 991 Blazer Brass 124gr FMJ, 350 American Eagle 124gr FMJ, 33 Atlanta Arms 147 gr JHP, 125 Fderal P9HST2

Dates: Feb 23 - Mar 9 2017

Total Rounds Fired: 2000

Modifcations: Trijicon HD XR sights

Stoppages: 1
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Dissappointing. Had 1 double feed at round #1985 with the standard pressure 147 gr HST, argh! Had to leave the pistol sitting for a few weeks at 1875 rounds and finished today, guess it couldn't quite handle it.

Will try it again.

[LockedBreech]

S&W M&P 2.0 9mm 4.25" "full size"

Ammunition: 501 Federal P9HST3, 991 Blazer Brass 124gr FMJ, 350 American Eagle 124gr FMJ, 33 Atlanta Arms 147 gr JHP, 125 Fderal P9HST2

Dates: Feb 23 - Mar 9 2017

Total Rounds Fired: 2000

Modifcations: Trijicon HD XR sights

Stoppages: 1
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Dissappointing. Had 1 double feed at round #1985 with the standard pressure 147 gr HST, argh! Had to leave the pistol sitting for a few weeks at 1875 rounds and finished today, guess it couldn't quite handle it.

Will try it again.

I think 1 stoppage in the 2K test is pretty darn acceptable. How was accuracy?

[LSW]

I think 1 stoppage in the 2K test is pretty darn acceptable. How was accuracy?

As good as my HK P30L, 4" groups at 25

[LockedBreech]

That'll do just fine for government work. Nice test, thanks for posting!


As good as my HK P30L, 4" groups at 25

[Clobbersaurus]

Beretta PX4 Storm, 9mm.

Ammunition: Combination of remanufactured, IMI, and American Eagle, most 124g.
Dates: Nov 10/16 - March 23/17
Total rounds fired: 2320
Stoppages:4
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Note: I lubed the new stealth levers when I installed them at round count 1992. I didn't lube anything else on the gun.

I had 4 stoppages with the PX4, the first two caused by a stuck magazine follower. That issue stopped when I degreased the mags. The other two were user induced, with a failure to feed brought on by a failed slide lock reload where I didn't get the mag fully inserted into the gun before I depressed the lever. The slide stripped off a round, but the extractor didn't pick it up and it got stuck to the left of the feed ramp. The other was a failure of the slide to lock on an empty mag, caused by improper grip when I was shooting SHO.

I also dry practiced with this gun extensively since I started the test last November. I would guess I've got thousands of draws and reloads and several thousand double action trigger presses on this gun.

Obligatory filthy pics:

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Note the lube still visible on the locking block, barrel and slide. The Lucas Red n' Tacky grease is a great product.
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[M2CattleCo]

Glock 43. Purchased about a month ago, brand new with Ameriglo sights, serrated u-notch rear with orange outline tritium front.

I like the sights. Nice uncluttered sight picture, no sharp corners, bright/bold front. The front is .140" wide. I'd prefer .125", but for this little gun, it's probably better for the intended purpose. The pistol took a fall from on top of my kitchen refrigerator. It was loaded and holstered in a JM AIWB. It apparently landed on the rear sight as it was dinged and was pushed about 1/3 out of the dovetail. I re-centered it and it is not functionally impaired in any way.

I have only shot this pistol out to 25 yards and was able to keep 7 rounds in about 8-9" pretty consistently, which is about as well as I shoot anything. I was naturally a little slower with this one vs a full size, but I am thoroughly impressed with how well this little thing can shoot.

I didn't start out to do a 2K round test, but I was over half way there when I thought about cleaning it and decided to just keep going. This pistol shipped dry and I applied 5 drops of Slip 2000 EWL in the 5 Glock spots and never cleaned or re-lubed it. The little bit of lube I had on it is probably long since gone and the pistol is actually cleaner than I thought it would be. I usually run a pistol pretty wet and they tend to look really filthy after a few thousand rounds.

2,127 rounds total, 1 FTEj with Win Ranger 127+p+. All magazines used were OEM 6 round mags with flat, OEM and/or Pearce +0 pinky extensions.

150 rounds 147 HST
100 147+p HST
100 124 Gold Dot
100 124+p Gold Dot
50 127+p+ Winchster Ranger
20 124+p PDX-1
100 Remington 115 JHP
100 Winchester WWB 147 JHP
Approximately 500 of 124 FMJ, Speer Lawman and Blazer Brass
557 American Eagle 147 fmj
100 Tula steel case 115 fmj
100 Federal Aluminum 115 fmj
150 Winchester Forged steel case 115 fmj

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[Doc_Glock]

Glock 43. Purchased about a month ago, brand new with Ameriglo sights, serrated u-notch rear with orange outline tritium front.

I like the sights. Nice uncluttered sight picture, no sharp corners, bright/bold front. The front is .140" wide. I'd prefer .125", but for this little gun, it's probably better for the intended purpose. The pistol took a fall from on top of my kitchen refrigerator. It was loaded and holstered in a JM AIWB. It apparently landed on the rear sight as it was dinged and was pushed about 1/3 out of the dovetail. I re-centered it and it is not functionally impaired in any way.

I have only shot this pistol out to 25 yards and was able to keep 7 rounds in about 8-9" pretty consistently, which is about as well as I shoot anything. I was naturally a little slower with this one vs a full size, but I am thoroughly impressed with how well this little thing can shoot.

I didn't start out to do a 2K round test, but I was over half way there when I thought about cleaning it and decided to just keep going. This pistol shipped dry and I applied 5 drops of Slip 2000 EWL in the 5 Glock spots and never cleaned or re-lubed it. The little bit of lube I had on it is probably long since gone and the pistol is actually cleaner than I thought it would be. I usually run a pistol pretty wet and they tend to look really filthy after a few thousand rounds.

2,127 rounds total, 1 FTEj with Win Ranger 127+p+. All magazines used were OEM 6 round mags with flat, OEM and/or Pearce +0 pinky extensions.

150 rounds 147 HST
100 147+p HST
100 124 Gold Dot
100 124+p Gold Dot
50 127+p+ Winchster Ranger
20 124+p PDX-1
100 Remington 115 JHP
100 Winchester WWB 147 JHP
Approximately 500 of 124 FMJ, Speer Lawman and Blazer Brass
557 American Eagle 147 fmj
100 Tula steel case 115 fmj
100 Federal Aluminum 115 fmj
150 Winchester Forged steel case 115 fmj

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I think Glock makes the wee guns better than the big ones now a days.

[M2CattleCo]

I have three of these 43s, I carry one, one for my wife, and a spare. They all run like they're supposed to. I couldn't ask for a better performing pistol in this size.

[Leroy Suggs]

The pygmy Glock is a gem. Love mine.

[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: Glock 19 Gen 4.

Caliber: 9mm

Ammunition: Many types. Primarily PPU 115 grain.

Dates of testing: 7/1/16-3/24/17
Total rounds fired: 2,010
Stoppages: one stovepipe around round 440

Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments: It worked great.

[Thepig]

Pistol: Springfield XD-9

Caliber: 9mm

Ammunition: MagTech 115 Grain FMJ

Dates of testing: 2/3//2017 - 4/23/2017
Total rounds fired: 2,400 exactly
Stoppages: Accidentally released the Mag twice when first purchased, has not happened since.

Malfunctions: 0 - no jam
Breakages: 0

Comments: Not a good gun for accuracy, but has been 100% reliable for me and I still love it since it's my first :)

[Luke]

Pistol: Springfield XD-9

Caliber: 9mm

Ammunition: MagTech 115 Grain FMJ

Dates of testing: 2/3//2017 - 4/23/2017
Total rounds fired: 2,400 exactly
Stoppages: Accidentally released the Mag twice when first purchased, has not happened since.

Malfunctions: 0 - no jam
Breakages: 0

Comments: Not a good gun for accuracy, but has been 100% reliable for me and I still love it since it's my first :)


You fired 2400 rounds without cleaning or lubeing your XD with no malfunctions? That's pretty good!

[Tamara]

Pistol: Wilson Combat Tactical Carry Professional
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 100 Federal 124gr HST, 950 Winchester 124gr NATO Q4318, 950 Speer Lawman 147gr TMJ
Dates of testing: 3/15/17-4/18/17
Total rounds fired: 2,000
Stoppages: 1 FTE*
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

The stoppage was a near-squib round of Winchester Q4318. It went *pop* and the slide didn't even fully cycle, leaving the spent case in the chamber. I shined my flashlight at the muzzle to make sure I could see light on the feed ramp before resuming shooting. I don't count this stoppage against the gun.

[BaiHu]

Wait, this is still a thing? I thought we weren't supposed to clean ANY gun before 2000 rounds in memory of ToddG from March of last year? Crap! Gun cleaning: I'm doing it wrong. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170425/8529f30ace732b19e32e5e9be11094ae.jpg

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[Thepig]

You fired 2400 rounds without cleaning or lubeing your XD with no malfunctions? That's pretty good!


I just now cleaned it a bit after the post was made, it was recommended from the buyer that I give it a torture test. Brand new when I got it though, after reading around about the XD, I can see why the guy wanted me to.

[LittleLebowski]

I just now cleaned it a bit after the post was made, it was recommended from the buyer that I give it a torture test. Brand new when I got it though, after reading around about the XD, I can see why the guy wanted me to.

That's a lot of shooting in roughly three months.

[Thepig]

That's a lot of shooting in roughly three months.

Purchased a membership at the local indoor range, they give unlimited lane time. Shot 150-300 rounds 2 times a week, besides last week.. Whole family got sick which is a major energy drain.

I get addicted to self challenge and even more so when I am competing against other brains. As long as I have lots of room to learn and improve, I don't enjoy doing things casually, I usually push hard until I hit the wall then take it easy.

[Greg]

Wait, this is still a thing? I thought we weren't supposed to clean ANY gun before 2000 rounds in memory of ToddG from March of last year? Crap! Gun cleaning: I'm doing it wrong. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170425/8529f30ace732b19e32e5e9be11094ae.jpg

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That poor Sig has some significant carbon issues....

[Tamara]

Pistol: Glock 43
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 950 Magtech 115gr FMJ, 350 Blazer Brass 115gr FMJ, 200 Rem. 115gr FMJ, 150 assorted JHP from Federal, Speer, Hornady, & Winchester, the balance was assorted FMJ.
Dates of testing: 2/2/17-2/28/17
Total rounds fired: 2,000
Stoppages: 1 user-induced premature lockback of the slide at round #1,936, and one user-induced failure to lock open at round # shit I can't find it in my notes.
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

[MSparks909]

Pistol: Wilson Combat Tactical Carry Professional
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 100 Federal 124gr HST, 950 Winchester 124gr NATO Q4318, 950 Speer Lawman 147gr TMJ
Dates of testing: 3/15/17-4/18/17
Total rounds fired: 2,000
Stoppages: 1 FTE*
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

The stoppage was a near-squib round of Winchester Q4318. It went *pop* and the slide didn't even fully cycle, leaving the spent case in the chamber. I shined my flashlight at the muzzle to make sure I could see light on the feed ramp before resuming shooting. I don't count this stoppage against the gun.

No dirty Wilson porn? The travesty!

[1986s4]

So on 12/122016 I reported on my Colt .38 Super that went 2000 rounds successfully.

"2000 Round Challenge

Pistol: Colt Government Model, bought new fall of 2012
Caliber: .38 Super Auto
Ammunition used: Fiocchi, Armscor, Geco, Sig Sauer, Remington, Handloads.
Dates of testing: 8/19/16 to 12/12/16
Total Rounds Fired: 2005
Stoppages: 6, failure to go into battery
Malfunctions: Zero
Breakages: Zero"

So I did clean it, just couldn't help myself, but that was it. I checked for unusual wear and tear but found nothing to remark. The Wilson shok-buff is still in good shape so it remains as is the Wilson flatwire #15 spring. Just went approximately 1000 rounds of my own handloads, a mix of 124 Extreme RN and Hornady HAP 115's. The 124's are loaded to reasonable PF with VV N320, the HAP's are loaded near max with VVN340. I am noticing zero case bulge [stock Colt unsupported barrel] but I am seeing primer flow with the S&B SPP I am using. Zero malfunctions with one failure to go into battery with the previously identified Checkmate mags. I knew better, but had to try, they are relegated to dry fire and gun handling drills now.
Planning on going to small rifle primers for all my future .38 super loads, I haven't tried them yet but I am confident the full power Colt mainspring will set them off. It's really dirty again but shows no sign of slowing down.
As a versatile heavy duty handgun with reasonable capacity I think this Colt fits the role.

[LockedBreech]

So on 12/122016 I reported on my Colt .38 Super that went 2000 rounds successfully.

"2000 Round Challenge

Pistol: Colt Government Model, bought new fall of 2012
Caliber: .38 Super Auto
Ammunition used: Fiocchi, Armscor, Geco, Sig Sauer, Remington, Handloads.
Dates of testing: 8/19/16 to 12/12/16
Total Rounds Fired: 2005
Stoppages: 6, failure to go into battery
Malfunctions: Zero
Breakages: Zero"

So I did clean it, just couldn't help myself, but that was it. I checked for unusual wear and tear but found nothing to remark. The Wilson shok-buff is still in good shape so it remains as is the Wilson flatwire #15 spring. Just went approximately 1000 rounds of my own handloads, a mix of 124 Extreme RN and Hornady HAP 115's. The 124's are loaded to reasonable PF with VV N320, the HAP's are loaded near max with VVN340. I am noticing zero case bulge [stock Colt unsupported barrel] but I am seeing primer flow with the S&B SPP I am using. Zero malfunctions with one failure to go into battery with the previously identified Checkmate mags. I knew better, but had to try, they are relegated to dry fire and gun handling drills now.
Planning on going to small rifle primers for all my future .38 super loads, I haven't tried them yet but I am confident the full power Colt mainspring will set them off. It's really dirty again but shows no sign of slowing down.
As a versatile heavy duty handgun with reasonable capacity I think this Colt fits the role.

Nice update. Thanks!


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[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: Glock 17 Gen 3
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Primarily PPU 115 grain
Dates of testing: 9/2016-5/2017
Total rounds fired: 2,067
Stoppages: 2
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
This is a Gen 3 Frankenglock with G17 slide assembly that I combined with a Gen 3 G31 lower with chopped grip to allow 15 round G 19 mags to fit.

I had no breakages, but broke the spirit of the 2k challenge by replacing parts to reduce BTF. Ejector was swapped from the .357/.40 ejector to the standard 336 unit, to the 30274 unit. Adding an on LCI bearing dropped BTF from 10% to 1-2%. Adding an Apex extractor dropped it to zero.

I also installed a minus connector, Dawson Charger sights, and SCD during the course of the test.

The two malfunctions were a FTE on round 599 absolutely due to an ancient and poorly spring magazine, and an unknown cause FTE/inline stovepipe around round 2000. This occurred with the Apex extractor and a Magpul GL9 magazine, and Ranger
T +P ammo.

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[echo5charlie]

Pistol: Glock 17 Gen4, UUD prefix
Caliber 9x19
Ammunition: Mix of TulAmmo, Remington, SIG, Hornady, Winchester, Independence Aluminum, old Wolf Military Classic, American Eagle
Dates of Testing: 20170413 - 20170520
Total Fired: 2003
Stoppages: 2 - Magpul GL9 and steel case - mags run fine with brass, not counted against pistol as the issue is easily repeatable

Notes: Pistol bought used in October 2014. Previous to this test I had put 1812 rounds through the gun with minimal maintenance. This is my EDC, steel plate comp, and training gun.

[MSparks909]

Pistol: Beretta PX4 Compact Carry
Caliber: 9mm
Dates of Testing: 4/4/2017 - 5/20/2017
Ammunition: 2,112 total. Breakdown:
Wolf 115 - 450
Freedom Munitions 124 RN New - 450
Federal 115 - 12
Federal Aluminum 115 - 300
Atlanta Arms 115 JHP Match - 20
Winchester White Box 115 - 270
Speer 115 - 50
Speer 124 - 295
Speer 124+P - 15
Speer 147 - 250

Notes: Very impressed with the shootability of this gun. It's a performer. It's everything I love about the Brigadier Tactical shrunk down into a G19 size DA/SA gun. I can shoot this tit for tat compared to my Brig Tac. Really enjoyed putting rounds through this and I plan to shoot either this or my full size PX4 in the June Langdon Tactical Class. Lubed with Lucas "Extreme Duty" gun oil on everything but the barrel cam (that got Lucas ED grease). Cleaned right up with a paper towel and brake cleaner in about 5 minutes. The NP3 on some of the internals sure sped up cleanup. It now resides in my JM AIWB and has assumed the role of primary carry gun.

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[LockedBreech]

Ugh I really need to get my PX4CC.


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[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: HK P2000 LEM V2 converted to V1
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Many types

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Dates of testing: 3/2017-5/2017
Total rounds fired: 2,010
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0
Comments:
This HK P2000 ran perfectly. I would be comfortable carrying it and recommending it to anyone interested in a G19 sized gun. My only changes prior to starting test were to convert it from V2 to V1 with a trigger return spring, and add Dawson Carry sights. Initially I was shooting 3" high with the sights, but it settled in to shooting POA at top of front sight. I am unclear if this was due to different ammo, break in, or me getting familiar with the decidedly unusual LEM trigger. I ran it with the XL back strap for my medium sized hands since the trigger breaks quite far back toward the grip.

[1986s4]

Report on 2nd 2000 round challenge with Colt .38 Super Auto:
Just completed my 2nd challenge with the Colt. Nearly all rounds fired where my own handloads.

Pistol: Colt Government Model, bought new fall of 2012
Caliber: .38 Super Auto
Ammunition used: Handloads.
Dates of testing: 12/12/16 to 5/24/17
Total Rounds Fired: 2000
Stoppages: 3, failure to go into battery
Malfunctions: Zero
Breakages: Zero

Bullet weights ranged from 115 JHP's to 135 coated RN. Lots of plated [Extreme] 124 RN's. The 115's where all loaded near maximum for the powder used, VV N340 and Ramshot Silhouette. The pistol was running just fine so long as the powder used was VV N320-340. When the Silhouette was introduced the slide slowly got sluggish and fine soot started to build up. It mixed with the lube to become gummy, the very last range session was where the last two failure to go into battery occurred. Soot was caked up around the breech face and along the slide rails. There was no comparable soot build up using the VV powder until the introduction of the Silhouette. The Ramshot powder is still a good powder but the VV is just a bit better for cleanliness. My takeaway is powder burn quality is important if one isn't going to clean the weapon frequently.
Lube used: Enos Slide Glide [SLG3, the thick stuff] on frame rails, a little on the locking groves and lugs, Ballistol everywhere else. The gun cleaned up easily using the Ballistol, even the bore.
Magazines: Tripp Research, Wilson, MecGar, Checkmate, Colt. The Wilson ETM's are good magazines but the plastic follower gives me pause, I have one 47D with a Wilson 10 round conversion kit. Surprisingly it works just fine, I just wasn't expecting it to. In the future I will buy more of the Tripp mags for their steel follower and fine function. Tripp told me that I could get 13-14 rounds in one of their 10 round 10mm magazines, something I'll try later.
Springs: mainspring, factory Colt. Recoil spring, Wilson #15 flatwire with shokbuff. The same shokbuff used in the previous test and it's still in there. I think I'll leave it there until I shoot my next match, which may be a while. I do have more, it's just so nicely broken in..

[LockedBreech]

Report on 2nd 2000 round challenge with Colt .38 Super Auto:
Just completed my 2nd challenge with the Colt. Nearly all rounds fired where my own handloads.

Pistol: Colt Government Model, bought new fall of 2012
Caliber: .38 Super Auto
Ammunition used: Handloads.
Dates of testing: 12/12/16 to 5/24/17
Total Rounds Fired: 2000
Stoppages: 3, failure to go into battery
Malfunctions: Zero
Breakages: Zero

Bullet weights ranged from 115 JHP's to 135 coated RN. Lots of plated [Extreme] 124 RN's. The 115's where all loaded near maximum for the powder used, VV N340 and Ramshot Silhouette. The pistol was running just fine so long as the powder used was VV N320-340. When the Silhouette was introduced the slide slowly got sluggish and fine soot started to build up. It mixed with the lube to become gummy, the very last range session was where the last two failure to go into battery occurred. Soot was caked up around the breech face and along the slide rails. There was no comparable soot build up using the VV powder until the introduction of the Silhouette. The Ramshot powder is still a good powder but the VV is just a bit better for cleanliness. My takeaway is powder burn quality is important if one isn't going to clean the weapon frequently.
Lube used: Enos Slide Glide [SLG3, the thick stuff] on frame rails, a little on the locking groves and lugs, Ballistol everywhere else. The gun cleaned up easily using the Ballistol, even the bore.
Magazines: Tripp Research, Wilson, MecGar, Checkmate, Colt. The Wilson ETM's are good magazines but the plastic follower gives me pause, I have one 47D with a Wilson 10 round conversion kit. Surprisingly it works just fine, I just wasn't expecting it to. In the future I will buy more of the Tripp mags for their steel follower and fine function. Tripp told me that I could get 13-14 rounds in one of their 10 round 10mm magazines, something I'll try later.
Springs: mainspring, factory Colt. Recoil spring, Wilson #15 flatwire with shokbuff. The same shokbuff used in the previous test and it's still in there. I think I'll leave it there until I shoot my next match, which may be a while. I do have more, it's just so nicely broken in..

Darn impressive for a 1911 to beat some of the Glocks and M&Ps on here in terms of stoppage count.


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[TheNewbie]

Darn impressive for a 1911 to beat some of the Glocks and M&Ps on here in terms of stoppage count.


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Seems Colt truly is the way to go in 1911s without spending major bucks.

[LockedBreech]

Seems Colt truly is the way to go in 1911s without spending major bucks.

I absolutely love my 2016 manufacture O1091. Total bare bones stainless, basic 3 dots. Runs extremely well so far. Only reason I haven't 2,000-rounded it is because .45 ammo costs make angels cry.


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[TheNewbie]

I absolutely love my 2016 manufacture O1091. Total bare bones stainless, basic 3 dots. Runs extremely well so far. Only reason I haven't 2,000-rounded it is because .45 ammo costs make angels cry.


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It's people like you who tempt me to buy a colt. You should feel guilty.

[LockedBreech]

It's people like you who tempt me to buy a colt. You should feel guilty.

Wanna hate me more? I got it new in box and traded for my used police trade in P229 with Hogue grips I added, so I'm only like $500 into it.

[TheNewbie]

Wanna hate me more? I got it new in box and traded for my used police trade in P229 with Hogue grips I added, so I'm only like $500 into it.

I have a P232 I'm dying to get rid off. Maybe it will lead to a colt. You are sort of forgiven.

[TheNewbie]

Maybe more on topic lol...

Do the .38 super guns run better than the 9mm?

[Robinson]

Maybe more on topic lol...

Do the .38 super guns run better than the 9mm?

Depends. :)

I had a 1991 basic model .38 Super a couple years back. From the factory it had issues going all the way into battery. I had it tuned up by a trusted gunsmith and from that day on it never malfunctioned. It was a very good shooter. The 9mm Colts I currently own have all proven reliable with the exception of one stainless 1991 that went back to the factory for an ejection issue. No issues with that gun since.

[1986s4]

Depends. :)

I had a 1991 basic model .38 Super a couple years back. From the factory it had issues going all the way into battery. I had it tuned up by a trusted gunsmith and from that day on it never malfunctioned. It was a very good shooter. The 9mm Colts I currently own have all proven reliable with the exception of one stainless 1991 that went back to the factory for an ejection issue. No issues with that gun since.


Mirrors my experience. Mine, unmodified, wasn't troublesome when clean but as it got dirty it started having problems. I'm rather intolerant of malfunctions, I won't keep a pistol that isn't reliable. I took it to a rather conservative Smith. He did a little polishing on the ramp and around the throat + breech face. Maybe a couple of minor things, he told me but I forgot.. Anyway, I also experimented with different spring weights and decided for maximum reliability to go factory weight on the springs. Currently using a #15 Wilson flatwire recoil spring which is 1lb heavier than standard. I think it gives the slide some horse power to push through some crud.

I can't say all Colts are as good as mine, I only have one but it does work. The most expensive modifications I've done to it are a dovetail FO front sight [Dawson], 10-8 NM rear and a mild dehorning with refinish.
In my mind, the only downside to .38 Super is that one can't be careless with spent brass like one can be with 9mm. Cheap factory ammo is $15 plus/minus per 50 and reloading about the same as 9mm.

[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: Glock 26 Gen 4
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: lots,
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Dates of testing:3/2017-6/2017
Total rounds fired: 2,027
Stoppages: 4
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:

I installed a minus connector, Dawson Charger sights, and SCD during the course of the test.

The malfunctions were:

1. a light primer strike presumably due to not being completely in battery around round 700. Ammo was MEN 124 grain NATO It fired the second clambering. No explanation for this one.

Light strike on bottom compared to normal hit.

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2-4: The gun ran great until the final 200 rounds where I had three malfunctions.

Twice, it failed to cycle/short stroked and stayed open on a round in the magazine.

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Both occurred with fully loaded Magpul GL9 magazines that are relatively new plus one in the chamber (12+1), and PPU or WWB 115 grain range ammo. I attribute the malfunctions to a dirty, unlubed gun, weak ammo, and a very tight magazine. I recommend down loading these magazines for carry.

The third and final malfunction of the test was a fluke where a bit of tape attached itself to a round mid magazine (OE mag), and prevented the round from chambering completely.

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Beware of random debris I guess!

I like the gun and it really likes HST 147 grain ammo.

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It will take the place of my current G3 carry pistol.

[StraitR]

Enel Nicely detailed post, and great 25yd shooting with the baby glock.

[M2CattleCo]

I wouldn't sweat those stoppages with the Magpul mags.

I have the same type with mine. Pmag 21s in two Gen 3 34s.

[Francis]

Pistol: Glock 19 gen 4
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition:

Aguila 124
American Eagle 147
Blazer Brass 124
Federal HST 147
Geco 124
PRVI 124
Remington UMC 115
Speer Lawman 147

Dates of testing: Jan '17 - Jun '17
Total rounds fired: 2,069
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0
Magazines: Variety of Glock and MagPul 15 and 17 round

Comments:

Purchased this pistol last year. Initial cleaning consisted of a bore snake through the barrel, light wipe down and light oil on the rails, barrel hood and connector.

It's a Talo edition with the Ameriglo Orange Pro-Glo front and U-notch rear. I tried the U-notch but didn't like it so installed a Pro-Op yellow rear in March at round 819.

At round 175 I installed a NY1 / - connector and G17 gen 3 trigger bar. Also installed some new gizmo called a Gadget. I can't say much about it because I haven't noticed it. ;)

The pistol has functioned practically flawlessly. The closest thing to trouble was a BTF on 6/3/17 between rounds 1552 and 1759 and then needing assistance back into battery on a couple of press checks on 6/9/17 between rounds 1759 and 1921 during a class with MDFI. Other than these two items there has not been a hint of trouble. I'll give it a good cleaning and make it my primary pistol.


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[LockedBreech]

Pistol: Glock 19 gen 4
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition:

Aguila 124
American Eagle 147
Blazer Brass 124
Federal HST 147
Geco 124
PRVI 124
Remington UMC 115
Speer Lawman 147

Dates of testing: Jan '17 - Jun '17
Total rounds fired: 2,069
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0
Magazines: Variety of Glock and MagPul 15 and 17 round

Comments:

Purchased this pistol last year. Initial cleaning consisted of a bore snake through the barrel, light wipe down and light oil on the rails, barrel hood and connector.

It's a Talo edition with the Ameriglo Orange Pro-Glo front and U-notch rear. I tried the U-notch but didn't like it so installed a Pro-Op yellow rear in March at round 819.

At round 175 I installed a NY1 / - connector and G17 gen 3 trigger bar. Also installed some new gizmo called a Gadget. I can't say much about it because I haven't noticed it. ;)

The pistol has functioned practically flawlessly. The closest thing to trouble was a BTF on 6/3/17 between rounds 1552 and 1759 and then needing assistance back into battery on a couple of press checks on 6/9/17 between rounds 1759 and 1921 during a class with MDFI. Other than these two items there has not been a hint of trouble. I'll give it a good cleaning and make it my primary pistol.


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[breakingtime91]

Pistol: G19 Gen 4
Cal: 9mm
Ammunition:
1900 Lawmen 147 gr
100 Fiochi 124 gr
Stoppages:0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages:0
Comments:
I shot this with a new gen 4 g19. I cleaned and then applied Lucas gun oil after purchase. I shot all two thousand rounds in the span of four days. At certain points (since I'm down south and shooting tempo) the gun was so hot I had to let it sit because it was hurting my hands to run the slide. Despite the abuse it never missed a beat, never threw brass in my face, and always shot straight when I did my job. I was extremely impressed with the gun and Lucas gun oil. I'll add pictures soon.

[breakingtime91]

Pistol: G19 Gen 4
Cal: 9mm
Ammunition:
1900 Lawmen 147 gr
100 Fiochi 124 gr
Stoppages:0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages:0
Comments:
I shot this with a new gen 4 g19. I cleaned and then applied Lucas gun oil after purchase. I shot all two thousand rounds in the span of four days. At certain points (since I'm down south and shooting tempo) the gun was so hot I had to let it sit because it was hurting my hands to run the slide. Despite the abuse it never missed a beat, never threw brass in my face, and always shot straight when I did my job. I was extremely impressed with the gun and Lucas gun oil. I'll add pictures soon.

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Normally I have ZERO interest in any pistol that is not black and boring. However that actually looks pretty cool and may be the best looking glock I've seen.


Good report and pics.

[SilentSc0rch]

Pistol: Walther PPQ M2
Caliber: 9x19
Ammunition: a mix of Federal aluminum, Winchester White box, and LAX remanufactured ball. All in 115 grain.
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Notes: The pistol has just north of 4K through it. The only thing that's ever stopped it was a bad Tulla round from a batch that stopped my G19 even more.

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[LockedBreech]

I've seen so many good reliable guns choke on Tula that I flat don't use it anymore, even as a cheap plink option. Good show by the PPQ.


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[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: G17 Gen 4 Chopped Grip
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: Many different types, 115, 124, and 147 grain.
Dates of testing: 9/16-7/17
Total rounds fired: 2163
Stoppages: Two. Both PPU 115 ammunition in close relation to each other.
Malfunctions: zero
Breakages: zero

Comments: I purchased this gun new as a bedside gun, installed a TLR-1, Defoor sights and rarely shot it. I decided to run the 2k challenge with it so see how it shot with the flashlight. I also chopped the grip to accept G19 magazines, and installed a minus connector. It ran simply great and very rarely had btf issues, and then only with the last round of a mag. The malfunctions were interesting. They occurred in within a couple magazines of each other and I suspect it was the ammo. In one case, I had a very light recoiling round that ejected, but short stroked and did not pick up the next round so the chamber was empty. Soon thereafter I had a round with a startling large flash and report, but weak recoil. That case was found in the chamber and did not eject. The case looked fine. Both those were in the first 300 rounds and the gun did not miss a beat after that.

I also shot my best ever 25 yard group with this gun toward the end of the test. This will be cleaned, flashlight removed, lubed, tested with more carry ammo and become the new carry gun.

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[Francis]

Good shooting!

[pangloss]

Pistol: Gen4 G19 (in gray!) purchased new on 04/01/2017
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: 124 gr Speer Lawman, 124 gr Aguila, 124 gr Freedom Munitions, 115 gr Blazer Aluminum, 124 gr Winchester Nato, 124 Speer Gold Dot.
Dates of Testing: 04/08/2017 to 07/20/2017
Total Rounds Fired: 2074
Stoppages: 1 (Stovepipe occurred while shooting support hand only drills on Day 2 of Tom Givens' Combative Pistol Class. Round count at stoppage was ~750.)
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Notes and Observations:
- Pistol was not cleaned after purchase but was lubricated with WeaponShield Gun Oil.
- Prior to starting the test, the Gen4 G19 trigger bar was replaced with a new Gen4 G17 trigger bar. Safety plunger was replaced with a new Apex Safety Plunger. Gadget was installed. Factory sights were replaced with Ameriglo GL-956 sights (which unfortunately seem now to have disappeared from Ameriglo's website).
- Initially, ejection was weak and erratic, and I was experiencing one to two brass to the face events (BTF) per every box of ammo. After shooting 150 rounds, I installed a White Sound Defense HRED, which reduced the frequency of BTF. Near the end of the the test, the BTF frequency was less than one per hundred rounds fired, except when shooting Blazer Aluminum. When shooting Freedom Munitions 124 gr, ejection was generally less robust than when shooting Speer, Aguila, or Winchester ammo.

[SilentSc0rch]

I was working on doing the 2,000 through my Gen3 19 when it stovepiped around 750 rounds into the test.

Ammo: LAX factory ammunition

It's hard for me to blame the ammo considering it's worked perfectly for well over 1,000 through my main PPQ, and I made sure to only use known-good factory mags. AND the extractor, extractor spring, and ejector are less than 2,000 rounds old. AND the RSA is less than 7,500 rounds old. Come to think of it, I don't think this gun has ever gone more than 1,200 without a cleaning or a stoppage...

[MSparks909]

You don't have to stop the test just because of a malfunction; it's just a data point to include at the end.

[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: Walther PPQ M1
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: All sorts of 115, 124, and 147 grain ammo. At least ten types.
Dates of testing: 4/2016-7/2017
Total rounds fired: 2,001
Modifications: None
Stoppages: 7
-2 times in the first 120 rounds the slide locked back when not empty. Attributed to grip. Swapped to large grip insert and it never happened again.
-1 time failed to feed due to 124 grain Speer Lawman stuck in the magazine. Around round 800. This partially full magazine had previously been dropped, hitting the bottom, jostling the rounds and I think jamming them in the mag. Never happened again.
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-4 Brass to face around round 1000, never happened again likely ammo.
-8 times in the last 300 rounds, it auto loaded first round from slide lock on mag insertion. I think the slide lock was getting sticky with use as nothing seems to be broken.
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments: This is an outstandingly easy gun to shoot that has been abused in my hands. It really grew on me, and it grew on me even more when I detail stripped the slide at the end of this test and found how intelligently designed it is. It is every bit as easy to strip as a Glock, but seems much better made. They will drop the striker if hit or dropped on the rear of the slide, and the rounds can jam in the magazine if a full one is dropped. At the end of the test after cleaning and lubrication, the trigger measured in at 4lbs pulling from just below the middle. For now this is a keeper, but probably not a carrier due to the striker drop issue. If I ever start to game with a gun it will be a PPQ.


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It might sound dumb but I actually ride the slide release more on a Glock than I do on a PPQ. It's funny considering the huge size difference between those two levers.

[octagon]

2,000 Round Challenge
Pistol: CZ P10C
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: Blazer Brass 115gr and 124gr, Winchester White box 124gr, Federal American Eagle 124gr, Hornady 135gr,+P, Hornady 124gr JHP
Dates of testing: 07/19/17 - 08/01/17
Total rounds fired: 2039
Stoppages: One: Failure to go fully into battery due to deformed case (see picture below)
Malfunctions: zero
Breakages: zero

Comments:

The only stoppage was due to a deformed case. This happened in the first few rounds of the session and resulted in the gun not firing as it was out of battery approx. 1/2-3/4". I slowly cleared the round and upon inspection found the case rim was damaged.

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No other stoppages or malfunctions occurred while shooting. While I don't consider it a malfunction the slide does auto forward upon firm insertion of a loaded magazine. In each case a round was chambered. This occurred approx 70% of the time overall and 98-99% of the time a firm,fast reload was performed. I used the right and left side slide lever to chamber a round upon loading or reloading 90% of the time to help break in the initially stiff lever and it is my most often used method to drop the slide. Today I used the slingshot method for most of the time I wasn't shooting the FAST drill to see if there were any issues. regardless of which method I used I had no issues using the controls nor with chambering of a round.

Ejection has been good to great from the first round to the last. I did get hit with 2 -5 rounds during the 2000 round challenge but each appeared to be due to the spent casing hitting an obstruction after ejection and bouncing back into me.

The trigger started off good but had some gritty-ness in the trigger stroke in the take up to the wall. Once the wall was hit the gritty-ness was gone. The pull feels approx 4.5-5lbs but I don't have a trigger gauge so just comparing it to known Glock trigger pull weight in standard and - connector forms. The trigger has become smoother in feel but still has a spring compressing sound while pulling to the wall. The trigger also has some stacking but very little only noticed by me when I am dry firing looking for trigger issues. The trigger safety lever does stick out from being flush with the trigger face and I did notice a small callous on my trigger finger lower part of the pad. Overall travel distance is a touch more than my flat face trigger gen 4 Glock 19. The take up is longer but the pull after the wall is hit is less and the overtravel is noticeably less. The reset is very similar to my Glock but with less force pressing the trigger back to the reset point and a quieter click when reset is reached. The reset distance is also noticeably less than my Glock.

The controls started off fairly stiff when used in dry fire and only slightly less so when live firing. The controls smoothed out and required less effort to use quickly. I have had no issues using the left or right side magazine release button or slide lock/release lever. Currently the left side controls( normal used by right handed shooters right thumb) are slightly easier to use than the right side. This is very likely due to the higher amount of use. The extractor that is shaped to work as a loaded chamber indicator works well in that capacity as I have never had a false indication of a loaded chamber when it wasn't or vice versa. This is the method I have used for years on Glocks and I very rarely do a press check.

Grip texture and shape feel very grippy and comfortable when shooting or manipulating the gun or controls. I have had some tenderness in my strong side palm between thumb and palm. I have gotten used to it and likely won't change anything related to grip. I feel I use less pressure than I normally use on my Glock 19 using the same ammunition doing the same drills. Reach to the magazine button and slide lever are shorter than my Glock 19. I still have to adjust my grip to press the mag button but less than I do with a gen 4 Glock 19 and none to release the slide with my strong hand thumb. I did get a blister on my support hand thumb on the side where it contacts the frame in a thumbs forward grip in my second shooting session. This may have been caused by or exasperated by an extended shooting session and/or when shooting a Beretta APX by the APX disassembly lever. Today's session I did notice the old blister area( 2 or 3 days of healing) getting tender by the frame texture in front of the disassembly lever. The trigger guard lip and texture on the front is more aggressive than on Glocks. Lastly the shape of the grip to trigger guard or undercut area is shaped and textured to be more comfortable than Glocks for me and I had no tenderness,or normal blistering/rawness of my middle finger second knuckle(Glock knuckle) which is a welcome difference.

Magazines load comfortably and without excess effort even to full capacity(15). No sharp edges. They are shaped to allow for easy insertion. The mags also jump out of the gun when the mag button is pushed much more aggressively than any Glocks I have used even when the gun is not held perpendicular to the ground. The drag between the mag and inside of the grip is less than Glocks. The grip magwell shape makes mag insertions at speed smooth and easier than Glocks and I felt it was smoother to do a reload. The red colored follower is a nice addition for indicating an empty mag when looking into the gun at slide lock. The loaded capcity holes on the rear of the magazine are usable to indicate how many rounds are in the mag by seeing brass or shell casing in the hole that corresponds with the number of rounds in that mag. I never quite got the Glock mag capacity holes down to where I knew for sure or trusted them to be exact.

Sights are three dot, metal post and notch patridge style with clean edges and dots. The light between front sight and rear notch is OK for speed and accuracy. I prefer a high visibility front sight (yellow/green) and plain rear sight with more light around the front sight but there is no rush for me to change them until plenty of options are available. The sights were close to POA/POI out of the box and only shot slightly to the right and a hair high. I shot at 50 yards today on steel (10" X 18") at was hitting approx 80% even standing SHO and WHO unsupported as well as normal 2 hand grip. This may not be impressive to many but I am a weak long distance shooter beyond 15-20 yards with any handgun.

Below are pictures of the field stripped gun after the challenge.

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Very little wear of the finish anywhere on the gun even the magazines only show shininess to the matte finish even after repeated drops onto concrete on the range. No bare metal,rust or scratches anywhere on the gun.

Overview:

Overall I really like the gun and am pleasantly surprised it ran well and works so well for me. I have been an ardent Glock Fanboy for years and pretty much only carried on and off duty a Glock 22 or Glock 23 since 1991. This gun may change my daily carry. In every area I consider, the P10 C works as good or better than my normal Glock 19. I don't use forward slide serrations and I am right handed so the ambi controls mean little for me unless practicing weak hand gun skills. However the grip shape,texture and control layout plus trigger reach just make shooting and manipulating it easier, more comfortable and more consistent. The details are what makes this gun so nice for me.

The gun is not perfect but I do have to agree with the CZ advertisement of "Improving Upon Perfection" It improved upon almost all things compared to a Glock 19 out of the box to out of the box. That said I would like to see a few changes to improve the P10 C even more.

Trigger safety lever fit flush with trigger face. Even smoother trigger pull during the pull to the wall. Smoother feel to mag button and easier release of slide when using slide release lever on both sides. Better sights. These are all small details that are already good enough to not be a problem or distraction just areas that could be better still.

I plan to use the gun in an course this Sat with Greg Ellifritz Close Quarters Shooting which has a focus on retention positions and shooting from unconventional positions as well as rapid access and engagement. If the gun continues to perform well I will clean it thoroughly and try more defensive ammo choices to find one that is accurate and groups well where I want it. Then I will start carrying it and see how it does.

[SilentSc0rch]

Excellent write-up. You definitely beat me to it, as I'm just 804 rounds in as of yesterday. The only minor complaint I have is the same as everyone else's: the mag release works but it's stiff. On the bright side, my P10 has already made it past the point where my 19 chocked (FTE around 750).

[gruntjim]

Glock 17 Gen 4

Pistol: Glock G-17 Gen 4
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: Assorted 124 and 147 grain HST, +P Critical Duty, WWB and Perfecta
Dates of Testing: 4/15/15 to 6/15/17
Total Rounds Fired: 2,050

Stoppages: zero
Malfunctions: zero
Breakages: zero

NOTES: The only mods are i-Dot Pros, and an extended slide stop lever. This pistol has been unearthly for its accuracy.

[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: Beretta PX4 Compact
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: All sorts of 115, 124, and 147 grain ammo. At least ten types. What I can recall: PPU 115 gr normal and NATO, S&B 124 gr normal, and NATO, Winchester 124 gr NATO, MEN 124 gr NATO, Brown Bear 115 gr, Wolf WPA 115 gr, Speer Lawman 124 gr, 147 grain, AE 147 gr fmj, Magtech 115 gr, HST 147 gr standard pressure, Ranger T 124 grain +p
Dates of testing: 7/2017-8/2017
Total rounds fired: 2,021
Modifications: Wilson 12lb main spring.
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Notes and Observations:

This is a nice little gun. It proved very reliable in my hands. I had some issues after 1200 rounds with it auto forwarding on reloads. The problem stopped in the last 200 rounds of the test, no idea why. I find it as difficult to shoot as a Glock 26, which is to say it shoots very well, just not as forgiving as a fuller sized pistol. As it sits with the Wilson 12# spring, the trigger is 8lbs DA, 5lbs SA. The trigger feels outstanding, very clean, not gritty. The PX4C is reliable, cheap, accurate, shoots well, and seems durable. What's not to like? The rear sight was placed by the Devil and proved nearly impossible move.

[Francis]

Pistol: Beretta PX4 Compact
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: All sorts of 115, 124, and 147 grain ammo. At least ten types. What I can recall: PPU 115 gr normal and NATO, S&B 124 gr normal, and NATO, Winchester 124 gr NATO, MEN 124 gr NATO, Brown Bear 115 gr, Wolf WPA 115 gr, Speer Lawman 124 gr, 147 grain, AE 147 gr fmj, Magtech 115 gr, HST 147 gr standard pressure, Ranger T 124 grain +p
Dates of testing: 7/2017-8/2017
Total rounds fired: 2,021
Modifications: Wilson 12lb main spring.
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Notes and Observations:

This is a nice little gun. It proved very reliable in my hands. I had some issues after 1200 rounds with it auto forwarding on reloads. The problem stopped in the last 200 rounds of the test, no idea why. I find it as difficult to shoot as a Glock 26, which is to say it shoots very well, just not as forgiving as a fuller sized pistol. As it sits with the Wilson 12# spring, the trigger is 8lbs DA, 5lbs SA. The trigger feels outstanding, very clean, not gritty. The PX4C is reliable, cheap, accurate, shoots well, and seems durable. What's not to like? The rear sight was placed by the Devil and proved nearly impossible move.

I'm amazed at how fast some of you guys can go through 2000 rounds.

[SilentSc0rch]

Well, the P10C almost made it until it failed to hold open around 1,600 rounds. It's hard to say if it was me riding the slide release or if the mag is just dirty and didn't push hard enough up on the slide stop. I'm currently testing the gun with only the original two mags that came with it, so they're seeing more abuse than my PPQ which had 6 mags for the test. I plan on continuing and just resetting the clock on the 2,000 Round Challenge, without any maintenance in between. We'll see how she does.

[MSparks909]

Well, the P10C almost made it until it failed to hold open around 1,600 rounds. It's hard to say if it was me riding the slide release or if the mag is just dirty and didn't push hard enough up on the slide stop. I'm currently testing the gun with only the original two mags that came with it, so they're seeing more abuse than my PPQ which had 6 mags for the test. I plan on continuing and just resetting the clock on the 2,000 Round Challenge, without any maintenance in between. We'll see how she does.

No need to reset the challenge; just annotate the failure when you finish all 2,000 rounds. Not a big deal!

[SilentSc0rch]

No need to reset the challenge; just annotate the failure when you finish all 2,000 rounds. Not a big deal!

Yeah, I know. I just want to really push this gun if I plan to start carrying it, and I figure it can probably manage the 2,000 (and then some) Round Challenge.

[Nephrology]

Pistol: Glock 19 Gen 4; gray frame w/ std. slide finsih.
Caliber: 9x19 as it says
Ammunition: Wolf 115gr, Silver Bear 115gr, Blazer Brass 115gr, PMC Bronze 115gr, Winchester RA9T 147gr, S&B/Ruag 124 9mm FMJ, Federal 147gr HST
Dates of testing: 2/10/2017-8/21/2017
Total rounds fired: 2979 (First ~979 in my hands involved parts tweakage - pistol was shot with current ignition parts from round 954 to 2979.
Modifications: Apex FRE, White Sound HRED, Ameriglo BOLD tritium night sights, Gen 3 smooth face trigger bar, FBI length mag release. Judicious polishing of ignition parts with Q tip and polishing compound.
Stoppages: 3 total; 0 in the 2k interval. All 3 stoppages were FTEs w/ Wolf 115gr
Malfunctions:0
Breakages: 0

Notes and Observations:

I want to love this gun but the BTF is driving me nuts. The trigger is smooth as silk and probably the best glock trigger I own; but the BTF is infuriating. It seems to happen mostly with weaker 115gr brass cased ball like Blazer or PMC. As I said in my range log, I am starting to wonder if it isn't the extremely dusty climate of my range combined with the tight tolerance of the Apex part. I may swap the apex FRE out for an OEM extractor as frankly I didnt give it much of a chance in that configuration.

That said either way this gun went 2k rounds in this configuration with no malfunctions, even if it does like to pitch brass at my skull. No BTF with my 147gr carry loads either. I gave it a solid cleaning and will be comfortable carrying it after I run another box or two of HSTs through it. Fed 50 147gr HSTs and 168 147gr Winchester RA9T Ranger Ts through it w/ no issues. I may tinker with it some but I would trust my life to it in its current condition.

[pangloss]

Pistol: Glock 19 Gen 4; gray frame w/ std. slide finsih.

Notes and Observations:

I want to love this gun but the BTF is driving me nuts. The trigger is smooth as silk and probably the best glock trigger I own; but the BTF is infuriating. It seems to happen mostly with weaker 115gr brass cased ball like Blazer or PMC. As I said in my range log, I am starting to wonder if it isn't the extremely dusty climate of my range combined with the tight tolerance of the Apex part. I may swap the apex FRE out for an OEM extractor as frankly I didnt give it much of a chance in that configuration.

That said either way this gun went 2k rounds in this configuration with no malfunctions, even if it does like to pitch brass at my skull. No BTF with my 147gr carry loads either. I gave it a solid cleaning and will be comfortable carrying it after I run another box or two of HSTs through it. Fed 50 147gr HSTs and 168 147gr Winchester RA9T Ranger Ts through it w/ no issues. I may tinker with it some but I would trust my life to it in its current condition.

Your pistol and 2000 round experience is very very similar to my gray Gen4 G19 that I purchased in early April. I don't think I had any BTF problems 124gr +P Gold Dots, so I'm not concerned about carrying the pistol. I wonder if BTF pistols are more likely to be made around the same time as other BTF pistols or if it's a random distribution with respect to time.

[Nephrology]

Your pistol and 2000 round experience is very very similar to my gray Gen4 G19 that I purchased in early April. I don't think I had any BTF problems 124gr +P Gold Dots, so I'm not concerned about carrying the pistol. I wonder if BTF pistols are more likely to be made around the same time as other BTF pistols or if it's a random distribution with respect to time.

What is the first 4 of your SN? Mine are BAAB (9/15) and a good to go black G4G19 BBBX (~Jan 16).

[pangloss]

What is the first 4 of your SN? Mine are BAAB (9/15) and a good to go black G4G19 BBBX (~Jan 16).

My gray pistol (early 2017) is BEKF and black one (early 2014, blue label) is WTE. BTF was pretty rare with the black one until I got to ~3K rounds, but I think I've been shooting cheaper ammo lately too. I don't think we can conclude much from this. Oh well.

[Nephrology]

My gray pistol (early 2017) is BEKF and black one (early 2014, blue label) is WTE. BTF was pretty rare with the black one until I got to ~3K rounds, but I think I've been shooting cheaper ammo lately too. I don't think we can conclude much from this. Oh well.

I've also had this problem in a 2007 era G3 Glock 19 and a 2008 era G3 Glock 17 so I am not sure what to pin it on either.

[LittleLebowski]

Pistol: Glock 19 Gen 4; gray frame w/ std. slide finsih.
Caliber: 9x19 as it says
Ammunition: Wolf 115gr, Silver Bear 115gr, Blazer Brass 115gr, PMC Bronze 115gr, Winchester RA9T 147gr, S&B/Ruag 124 9mm FMJ, Federal 147gr HST
Dates of testing: 2/10/2017-8/21/2017
Total rounds fired: 2979 (First ~979 in my hands involved parts tweakage - pistol was shot with current ignition parts from round 954 to 2979.
Modifications: Apex FRE, White Sound HRED, Ameriglo BOLD tritium night sights, Gen 3 smooth face trigger bar, FBI length mag release. Judicious polishing of ignition parts with Q tip and polishing compound.
Stoppages: 3 total; 0 in the 2k interval. All 3 stoppages were FTEs w/ Wolf 115gr
Malfunctions:0
Breakages: 0

Notes and Observations:

I want to love this gun but the BTF is driving me nuts. The trigger is smooth as silk and probably the best glock trigger I own; but the BTF is infuriating. It seems to happen mostly with weaker 115gr brass cased ball like Blazer or PMC. As I said in my range log, I am starting to wonder if it isn't the extremely dusty climate of my range combined with the tight tolerance of the Apex part. I may swap the apex FRE out for an OEM extractor as frankly I didnt give it much of a chance in that configuration.

That said either way this gun went 2k rounds in this configuration with no malfunctions, even if it does like to pitch brass at my skull. No BTF with my 147gr carry loads either. I gave it a solid cleaning and will be comfortable carrying it after I run another box or two of HSTs through it. Fed 50 147gr HSTs and 168 147gr Winchester RA9T Ranger Ts through it w/ no issues. I may tinker with it some but I would trust my life to it in its current condition.

OK, if you have the 30274 ejector, then your next culprit is the RSA. Check it and get back to us.

[Nephrology]

OK, if you have the 30274 ejector, then your next culprit is the RSA. Check it and get back to us.

I definitely have the latest generation 0-4-3 RSA. Whether or not my unit is faulty for some other reason I do not know, but it passes all armorer function checks so I would be surprised. Have the 30274 ejector installed - one came with the gun.

[SilentSc0rch]

I'm not sure if this was already mentioned somewhere in the 34 pages of this thread, but do we have all of the current data in spreadsheet form?

[MSparks909]

I'm not sure if this was already mentioned somewhere in the 34 pages of this thread, but do we have all of the current data in spreadsheet form?

No spreadsheet that I know of

[breakingtime91]

I definitely have the latest generation 0-4-3 RSA. Whether or not my unit is faulty for some other reason I do not know, but it passes all armorer function checks so I would be surprised. Have the 30274 ejector installed - one came with the gun.

I wouldnt send it back to Glock then.

[SilentSc0rch]

No spreadsheet that I know of

If I get bored at any point this week, I way create one.

[Nephrology]

I wouldnt send it back to Glock then.

I'm busy as hell this week but I am going to do some testing with it when I am back from my trip to MT.

[octagon]

Pistol: Beretta APX
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 115 grain Blazer Brass, 124 gr, Winchester White Box, American Eagle 115 gr, Blazer Brass 124 gr
Dates of testing: 7/17/17 - 09/01/17
Total rounds fired: 2,017
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments: I just got back from the range and completed the 2000 round challenge with the Beretta APX. I have more details of several range sessions in my training journal and some in the CZ P10C thread as I was shooting both guns for comparison against my regular normal EDC gun Glock 23, Glock 23 with 9mm conversion barrel and a Gen 4 Glock 19 I recently traded for another P10 C.

Overall I am very happy with the APX. It shoots quite nicely with low recoil impulse and very flat. I'm sure part of this is due to large and heavy slide compared to the other guns I compared it to and some due to the grip size and shape. Regardless it is easy and soft shooter that can handle a lot of rounds in a day or session with no soreness. The P10C grip texture cannot say the same. The trigger is a fairly decent change from other triggers with safety lever in trigger face. It is wide and flat faced with the safety lever protruding and not sitting flush even when pressed. The trigger is also one of the heaviest by weight I have. That said it didn't seem to cause any issues with speed or accuracy. It has some slight take up before a wall but much less than Glocks or the 2 P10Cs. Once at the wall the pull is short and the break feels like a roll over a ball bearing not a snap or 2 metal flats slipping off one another. Hard to describe but I like it. Overtravel seems extremely small and reset is super short and crisp and audible enough but less so than either Glocks or P1-Cs.

The controls are nicely placed for reach even with small hands or stubby fingers like mine. The controls work well and have a quality feel to them that is smoother than Glocks and P10 Cs. I shot the FAST drill numerous times and had some of my best ever reloads on the timer with the APX. This may be due to the mag shape and good size and shape magwell or due to the mags poping out of the gun quickly and easily with no change in grip to press the mag button. The slide does auto forward on firm mag seatings which I am not a fan of. It always loads a fresh round but it is not something I want to rely on. The slide release works well from either side and was a lot smoother and easier to use than the P10 Cs when they were new.

Sights are OK and the area I think need some change. I like the amount of light between the front sight and rear sight notch as it is about right for my tastes. However as others have noted in APX reviews the sight alignment is more press the dot instead of straight on hold or it shoots low. The front sight also seems kind of wide for longer range precision. That said I shot it on steel out to 50 yards and it hit as well as the P10 and Glock with - connector and flat faced trigger with various sight options.

Brass ejection was strong and consistent. The grip shape and texture are about perfect for my preference and even using the standard medium backstrap I felt comfortable with getting a good solid grip consistently.

I have a Whitehat IWB hybrid holster for it now but used an old nylon Uncle Mikes or Bianchi holster prior to getting the Whitehat so I hope to do more draw and holster work to see if they tighter fit new holster and slide serration design have any effects together. I also ordered the competition striker spring assembly from Beretta which I will try just to see how it feels but I don't see it as necessary but maybe just a nicer lighter trigger.

I may try and conceal carry the APX once I have more rounds through it and defensive rounds through it. However I see the wider slide and larger/heavier gun overall than the P10C and Glocks mid sized guns to make it less concealable and comfortable but time will tell. Beretta has a winner in the design and execution of the APX if mine is any indication of the line. I hope they have success but it is a market crowded with great guns and more established companies in this area. They will also need a mid size or compact to really compete with more holsters and sights if it is to challenge some others like Glock and Sig.

[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: Beretta Wilson 92G Compact Carry
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: All sorts of 115, 124, and 147 grain ammo. At least twelve types. What I can recall: PPU 115 gr normal and NATO, S&B 124 gr normal, and NATO, Winchester 124 gr NATO, MEN 124 gr NATO, Brown Bear 115 gr, Wolf WPA 115 gr, Speer Lawman 124 gr, 147 grain, AE 147 gr fmj, Magtech 115 gr, HST 147 gr standard pressure, Aguila 115 grain
Dates of testing: 8/2017-9/2017
Total rounds fired: 2,043
Modifications: Wilson Action Tune
Stoppages: 2, One failure to lock back on empty Mec-Gar 18 rd mag (115 Magtech toward end of test), 1 failure to fire which fired on second strike (Brown Bear 115 grain)
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Notes and Observations: I really like this beautiful little gun, and it runs like a sewing machine. I doubt either of the failures above are the fault of the firearm. I am unclear why it didn't lock back on empty other than the ammo is just weak. Only happened once. The second one is definitely ammo related. I have had the same lot of Brown Bear require a second strike in a M9A3 with full power springs. I would carry this gun with confidence. After 2k rounds, there was still lube on the rails, and the interior of the gun was not really that dirty.

It passes the 10-8 extractor test (for 1911s) handily.

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[Bucky]

Pistol: Beretta Wilson 92G Compact Carry
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: All sorts of 115, 124, and 147 grain ammo. At least twelve types. What I can recall: PPU 115 gr normal and NATO, S&B 124 gr normal, and NATO, Winchester 124 gr NATO, MEN 124 gr NATO, Brown Bear 115 gr, Wolf WPA 115 gr, Speer Lawman 124 gr, 147 grain, AE 147 gr fmj, Magtech 115 gr, HST 147 gr standard pressure, Aguila 115 grain
Dates of testing: 8/2017-9/2017
Total rounds fired: 2,043
Modifications: Wilson Action Tune
Stoppages: 2, One failure to lock back on empty Mec-Gar 18 rd mag (115 Magtech toward end of test), 1 failure to fire which fired on second strike (Brown Bear 115 grain)
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Notes and Observations: I really like this beautiful little gun, and it runs like a sewing machine. I doubt either of the failures above are the fault of the firearm. I am unclear why it didn't lock back on empty other than the ammo is just weak. Only happened once. The second one is definitely ammo related. I have had the same lot of Brown Bear require a second strike in a M9A3 with full power springs. I would carry this gun with confidence. After 2k rounds, there was still lube on the rails, and the interior of the gun was not really that dirty.

It passes the 10-8 extractor test (for 1911s) handily.

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Wow, very nice. I was just getting prepared to do the 2000 round challenge with my Wilson 92G Compact. I'm not surprised it did so well. I shot Berettas for years in competition, and I would go a ridiculous number of rounds between cleanings with no issues.

As for the slide lock issue, the MecGar mag springs are a little weaker than factory. Combine that with a light load, and I can see that happening.

Great job. Your ammo variety is probably more diverse than what I would have used. I don't normally use 115 grain.

[Nephrology]

Pistol: Glock 19 Gen 4; gray frame w/ std. slide finsih.
Caliber: 9x19 as it says
Ammunition: Wolf 115gr, Silver Bear 115gr, Blazer Brass 115gr, PMC Bronze 115gr, Winchester RA9T 147gr, S&B/Ruag 124 9mm FMJ, Federal 147gr HST
Dates of testing: 2/10/2017-8/21/2017
Total rounds fired: 2979 (First ~979 in my hands involved parts tweakage - pistol was shot with current ignition parts from round 954 to 2979.
Modifications: Apex FRE, White Sound HRED, Ameriglo BOLD tritium night sights, Gen 3 smooth face trigger bar, FBI length mag release. Judicious polishing of ignition parts with Q tip and polishing compound.
Stoppages: 3 total; 0 in the 2k interval. All 3 stoppages were FTEs w/ Wolf 115gr
Malfunctions:0
Breakages: 0

Notes and Observations:

I want to love this gun but the BTF is driving me nuts. The trigger is smooth as silk and probably the best glock trigger I own; but the BTF is infuriating. It seems to happen mostly with weaker 115gr brass cased ball like Blazer or PMC. As I said in my range log, I am starting to wonder if it isn't the extremely dusty climate of my range combined with the tight tolerance of the Apex part. I may swap the apex FRE out for an OEM extractor as frankly I didnt give it much of a chance in that configuration.

That said either way this gun went 2k rounds in this configuration with no malfunctions, even if it does like to pitch brass at my skull. No BTF with my 147gr carry loads either. I gave it a solid cleaning and will be comfortable carrying it after I run another box or two of HSTs through it. Fed 50 147gr HSTs and 168 147gr Winchester RA9T Ranger Ts through it w/ no issues. I may tinker with it some but I would trust my life to it in its current condition.

To update: i shot this gun this weekend with 124gr RUAG. Had 1FTF with a magpul Gl19 mag. Disappointing. The gun otherwise ran like a top with OEM mags, so I wonder if it was the dirty Magpul mag.

Minimal BTF. Maybe 1? out of ~100rds.

[LockedBreech]

To update: i shot this gun this weekend with 124gr RUAG. Had 1FTF with a magpul Gl19 mag. Disappointing. The gun otherwise ran like a top with OEM mags, so I wonder if it was the dirty Magpul mag.

Minimal BTF. Maybe 1? out of ~100rds.

As much as I like Magpul's AR-platform stuff, I've heard far more issue reports with their Glock magazines than I have with OEM.

Anecdotal, but my two cents anyway.


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[Nephrology]

As much as I like Magpul's AR-platform stuff, I've heard far more issue reports with their Glock magazines than I have with OEM.

Anecdotal, but my two cents anyway.


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Same. In running through my logbook, I have at least 2 other failures with this gun or my other Gen 4 G19, vs only 1 with an OEM mag.

[bigslim]

Pistol: Beretta PX4CC
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 1950 rounds of Freedom Munition 115gr reman and 57 round of Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P
Dates of testing: 7/18 - 9/8
Total rounds fired: 2007
Stoppages: 1
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
Other than the factory up grades to this pistol I stippled the grip instead of running the provided Talon Grips, installed a spurless hammer (http://www.langdontactical.com/Products.html), and a #12 Wilson Combat hammer spring (http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Wilson-Combat-Hammer-Spring-Chrome-Silicon-12-Beretta-92_96/productinfo/721CS-12/)

The one stoppage was a failure to lock open on the last round. This was caused by me riding the slide stop lever.

Mike

[Clusterfrack]

Pistol: CZ Shadow 2
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 125gr SNS coated round nose, 3.7gr Nobel Sport Prima V, CCI 500 primers, 1.115" COL
Dates of testing: 8/12/17 - 9/6/17
Total rounds fired: 2150
Malfunctions: 4 (light strikes, failure to fire)
Breakages: 0

Modifications:
11# Main Spring:
https://cajungunworks.com/product/hs-12000-black-11-5-hammer-spring/

Floating Trigger Pin
https://cajungunworks.com/product/tr-pin-cgws-exclusive-floating-trigger-pin/

11# Recoil Spring:
https://czcustom.com/cz-75-85-sp01-spring-recoil-full-11-lb-x-1.html

Rami FP Spring:
https://czcustom.com/cz-parts-all/fire-control/cz-2075-rami-factory-firing-pin-spring.html

Extended Firing Pin
https://czcustom.com/cz-parts-all/fire-control/cz-85c-ts-shadow-extended-firing-pin.html

[Clusterfrack]

Followup to my last post:

It appears that at least one of the 4 FTFires was due to a slightly high primer. I've adjusted primer seating in my 1050, and have had no issues for the last 600 rounds.

[5pins]

Pistol: Matrix Precision 80% P229
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Military M882, Speer 124gr+P Gold Dot, Monarch, Federal Aluminum, Winchester USA ball, Blazer Brass, Remington UMC ball, Perfecta ball, CCI Lawman, Tulammo, and some handloads
Dates of testing: 7/3/17 – 9/8/17
Total rounds fired: 2,000
Stoppages: 2
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0


Comments: One fail to feed at 1184 and fail to eject at 1606. Here is a link for more info on the Matrix Precision 80% P229 build and 2000 round challenge.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?26646-Matrix-Precision-80-P229-build

http://i.imgur.com/eX9Ttrfm.jpg?1 (https://imgur.com/eX9Ttrf)

[md8232]

Pistol: CZ P-10 C
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 147 grain FP Barrys Bullets, Mixed Brass, Federal & S&B Primers
Dates of testing: 9-11-17/9-15-17
Total rounds fired: 2,000
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 3
Breakages: 0

Comments:
Brand new gun. 3 Malfs were the trigger not resetting. Happened on rounds 102, 402, & 1,575. I dropped the Mag, worked the slide, and we were GTG.
Probably something I did wrong, just had back surgery and was taking happy pills.
All Ammo was my reloads and they did fine.
No BTF!! I like the Autoforwarding feature.
I plan to strip the gun, clean it, then add an aftermarket trigger. I fired 700 rounds one day and my finger was not happy!
Will be waiting patiently for some Ameriglo sights.
This is a nice companion to my 3 Gen2 G-19's.

[md8232]

Pistol: CZ P-10 C
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 147 grain FP Barrys Bullets, Mixed Brass, Federal & S&B Primers
Dates of testing: 9-11-17/9-15-17
Total rounds fired: 2,000
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 3
Breakages: 0

Comments:
Brand new gun. 3 Malfs were the trigger not resetting. Happened on rounds 102, 402, & 1,575. I dropped the Mag, worked the slide, and we were GTG.
Probably something I did wrong, just had back surgery and was taking happy pills.
All Ammo was my reloads and they did fine.
No BTF!! I like the Autoforwarding feature.
I plan to strip the gun, clean it, then add an aftermarket trigger. I fired 700 rounds one day and my finger was not happy!
Will be waiting patiently for some Ameriglo sights.
This is a nice companion to my 3 Gen2 G-19's.

Too late to edit, but I found a solution to the trigger not resetting. Member earlan357 @ czfirearms.us posted a video with a fix.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQP9CpbQm0c

[Kyle Reese]

Pistol: Glock 17 Gen 5
Caliber: 9x19
Ammunition: CCI Blazer Aluminum cased 115 grain FMJ, RUAG EU Contract 124 grain FMJ, Federal Hydra-Shok 124 grain JHP, Federal HST 124 grain +P JHP, Federal HST 147 grain JHP
Dates of testing: 9/2/2017 - 9/24/2017
Total rounds fired: 2,008
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments: The only mods that I made to this gun prior to the commencement of the Challenge were the excellent Ameriglo Defoor flat black steel sights, lubricating the pistol and adding a Glockmeister grip plug. I’ve found that with my Gen 5 examples, the trigger is “just right” out of the box, giving me a very smooth rolling break.

Today, I turned in a 93/100 (3X) on the Hackathorn Test at 25 yards, without putting a terrible amount of effort into the test. I could attain an even higher score with better quality ammo and taking a bit more time. I’m very pleased with the 17.5 and recommend them to anyone.

[Nephrology]

To update: i shot this gun this weekend with 124gr RUAG. Had 1FTF with a magpul Gl19 mag. Disappointing. The gun otherwise ran like a top with OEM mags, so I wonder if it was the dirty Magpul mag.

Minimal BTF. Maybe 1? out of ~100rds.

Final update. Put another 200 rounds through it (75 147gr HST, 125 115gr RUAG/S&B). Only BTF was with a limp wrist that I called. No BTF with HST. Fed flawlessly. Gonna carry it.

[Francis]

Pistol: Glock 26 gen 4
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition:


Aguila 124
American Eagle 147
Blazer Brass 124
Federal HST 147
Geco 124
Herters 115
PRVI 124
S&B 124
Speer Lawman 147


Dates of testing: Nov '16 - Sep '17
Total rounds fired: 2,020
Stoppages: 9
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0
Magazines: Variety of Glock 10, 12 and 17 round and MagPul 12 and 17 round

Comments:

Purchased this pistol in early Nov last year and put 1074 rounds through it by Jan 7. At the time, in my mind, it was vetted and ready for carry. Initial cleaning consisted of a wipe down, bore snake and light oil on barrel, rails and connector. After the first 124 rounds I installed a NY1 / - connector and experimented with the G17 gen 3 and gen 4 trigger bars. Also installed the Ameriglo Pro-Glo square front sight (which I have grown to like much more than the circle) and Pro-Op yellow rear sight and The Gadget.

In July I decided that since I hadn't cleaned the gun since the initial purchase cleaning I would take it for another 1000 rounds to complete the 2000 round challenge.

The gun has functioned well and been easier to shoot than I had anticipated. And due to it's size and the availability of 10 and 12 rd mags it has become the gun I carry most often, especially in the summer. Typically carried with a Glock 12 rd mag and Glock 17 spare.

Of the nine stoppages, seven were with a MagPul 12 rd mag, four of those were in a 12+1 scenario where the first round fired and then experienced a FTE. The other 3 MagPul stoppages were during a training class so I don't have the details recorded. During that class though I only ran MagPul 12 and always started each drill at 12+1.

The remaining two stoppages consisted of 1 with a G19 gen 2 mag that has been a range mag for several years. It had FTF on the last round. The other non MagPul stoppage occurred during the first 1000 rounds with a Glock mag but I didn't record which one. It was during a Dot Torture drill firing weak hand so it most likely was a 17 rd range mag.

More observations on mags - One Glock 10 round mag that came with the purchase was relegated to the range bag because I sometimes could only get 9 rounds in it. It was hit or miss if it would take 9 or 10.

Re. the MagPul mags, I like their profile better than the Glocks for concealment but they are very hard to load and for me, unreliable. I also have in my notes that on various occasions when using the MagPul mags the last round would sometimes dribble out of the ejection port in a random direction rather than a typical ejection. As much as I want to like them, I'm not comfortable using them for daily carry.

I guess technically, this wasn't a clean 2000 round challenge due to stoppages and back and forth trigger changes I made but the gun has performed well. As long as it has newer and vetted Glock mags I'm comfortable with it as my carry gun.

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[Doc_Glock]

I had a similar experience. All my G26 stoppages occurred with GL9 Magpul mags. They were not frequent, but there none the less.

[Nephrology]

I had a similar experience. All my G26 stoppages occurred with GL9 Magpul mags. They were not frequent, but there none the less.

Same with the gray G19 I mentioned a page or two back.

[Lon]

I have not been impressed with my MP Glock mags. They're range mags only at this point.

[LockedBreech]

Thanks for spending the test money on the Magpul mags so I don't have to, pistol-forum. Between Nephrology's test and Francis's test what little smidgen of interest I had is gone. Love their AR stuff but I guess OEM Glock magazines didn't need improving on.

[vecdran]

Glock 19 FS 9mm Gen 4
Dates of testing: July '17 to August '17
Total rounds fired: 2,023
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

https://i.imgur.com/PEz4Etk.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/5AFN49o.jpg) https://i.imgur.com/9MCig52.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/4Ov2Xp5.jpg) https://i.imgur.com/HM2tIHx.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/DqUjtAm.jpg)

Ammunition & Magazines
Federal 115gr FMJ
Browning 147gr FMJ
Blazer 124gr FMJ
Federal HST 124gr +P JHP
Glock OEM 15rnd
Glock OEM 17rnd
Magpul GL9 15rnd
Vickers Tactical Magazine Base Plates


Modifications & Accesories
Heinie SlantPRO Straight-8 Tritium Sights (.235" Front)
Gadget Slide Cover Plate
USATAC Performance Titanium Safety Plunger
Apex Tactical Flat Trigger & Trigger Bar
Vickers Slide Stop
Glock OEM Extended Magazine Release
Polished Internals
Agency Arms Magwell
Bellande Customs Trigger Guard Undercut and Rounding
Inforce APLc Weaponlight
JM Custom Kydex Appendix Holster & Magazine Pouch

**FULL DISCLOSURE** - Gun was lightly cleaned and lubricated once by gunsmith (Bellande Custom) at 1,473 rounds when internals were worked on and frame was modified.

Comments
When I backed the Gadget Kickstarter several years ago, I promised myself that when a Glock 19 with front slide serrations came out, I would buy one. This July, my poor wallet was surprised by the limited edition run. Sigh.

Despite my first love being the HK P30, the reality is I objectively shoot Glocks better, and as such I committed to moving carry platforms as soon as the configuration I wanted was available. It doesn't help that I'm surrounded by a bunch of lovable doofuses who won't quit ranting and raving about their Roland Specials, so I had to show them the error of their ways and build the ultimate irons only, non-comped carry gun. To date, I'm still faster than them, and chunks of expensive machined metal don't go randomly flying off my gun.

The front slide serrations are badly needed feature on Glocks, especially since the finish became more slippery with Gen 4s. It was bad enough on my G34 that I specifically had it Cerakoted in black just so I would stop sliding my fingers into the breach while manipulating the gun during USPSA matches. I think they match the overall Glock aesthetic well, and it's nice to have unmarred roll marks. I guess. It's a Glock. I'm not terrible hung up on the looks.

Judging by the furor on the internet, I got one of the "good" Gen 4s. The gun functioned flawlessly throughout the test, with nary a hiccup. I had zero brass-to-the-face issues, and ejection and feeding was consistent and reliable. My skills produced a 5-shot grouping of 2.2" at 25yds with Federal HST 124gr +P JHP. Overall, I am very pleased with the performance of the handgun, and I carry it with full confidence.

Issues
Unfortunately, I had two non-pistol related issues during testing, concerning accuracy:

#1: I purchased 200rnds of Browning 147gr JHP to give it a spin, since I had not seen it before. Unfortunately this is some of the most egregiously inaccurate factory ammunition I have ever fired. I had difficulty grouping tighter than 6" at 10 yards, and at 25 yards I might as well have been throwing the cartridges downrange, for all the good they were doing. I was too pissed at the ammo to try it through my other guns, so I cannot comment on its accuracy outside of my Glock 19. Nothing like back to back Bill Drills to dump shitty ammo.

#2: The above ammunition compounded the issue I was having with the Heinie .215" front sight I installed. My groupings were fine, but my accuracy was shit. Once I confirmed the ammo was the primary culprit of my inaccuracy, I found that the sights I purchased shot approximately 3-4" high at 25 yards. I am intimately familiar with the "correct" Heinie sight picture (in between 6'oclock hold and push the dot), as I've shot over 30,000 rounds through my HK P30 & P30L with them, so I suspected the front sight height. After some back and forth with Heinie, on their recommendation I purchased and installed a taller .235" front sight, which seemed to resolve my issues. Heinie claims this is an issue with the Gen 4 recoil impulse due to the captive dual spring assembly.

Heinie was communicative and offered a discount on my purchase, as this was an issue there were aware of. I do wish, however, that they were more up front about it, as I only discovered this was a known problem after some specific research. Anyone want to buy a .215" Heinie Tritium front sight?

Modifications & Accessories
I hate the serrated Glock trigger, so I replaced it with the the Apex Tactical flat trigger setup. All other aftermarket triggers I tried modified the trigger pull too much for my liking, compromised safety features, or had odd feeling trigger shoes. The Apex trigger minorly shortens the take-up, but otherwise leaves the trigger pull untouched. I highly recommend the Apex setup as an outright upgrade over the stock trigger.

I never had any issues with my G34 with Glock knuckle as it's a soft shooter, but the brisker recoil impulse of the G19 mixed with +P ammo quickly started chewing up my finger. After some research, I elected to go with the trigger undercut services provided by Bellande Custom. They do look a bit goofy, but the gun was immediately more comfortable after the modification, and even shot noticeable flatter since I had a higher and more complete grip on the gun.

The Gadget is an absolute must for a striker carry gun. With the P30, I had the hammer to maintain that extra layer of safety. Gaining that capability with a striker gun AIWB is a must. I still get minor heebie-jeebies holstering my Gadget-less G42.

The Agency Arms magwell is the best CCW option out there in my opinion. It barely affects the concealability of the firearm, while giving a significantly improved magazine well.

The Inforce APLc is, bar none, the best CCW WML on the market right now. Unlike shoving a Surefire X300 holster in your pants, this light allows a carry profile that is actually comfortable. If I'm honest I do not notice the difference between my standard and light-bearing holster. The manual of arms is intuitive and simple, and the beam pattern and light output is excellent. While I haven't had it long enough to comment on its reliability, my initial impressions are very positive.

This is my first time carrying JM Custom Kydex gear. The wing claw is bloody magic. My friends still can't believe that I'm concealing a G19 and a magazine AIWB. JMCK ran out of grey kydex, and kindly offered my a free upgrade to a custom color. I really like the dark brown. Looks kind of like leather, which is a classy touch.

Alright, that's my word fort. Enjoy.

[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: Beretta PX4 Full Sized
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: All sorts of 115, 124, and 147 grain ammo. At least ten types. What I can recall: PPU 115 gr normal and NATO, S&B 124 gr normal, and NATO, Winchester 124 gr NATO, MEN 124 gr NATO, Brown Bear 115 gr, Wolf WPA 115 gr, Speer Lawman 124 gr, 147 grain, AE 147 gr fmj, Magtech 115 gr, HST 147 gr standard pressure, Ranger T 124 grain +p
Dates of testing: 8/2017-10/2017
Total rounds fired: 2,045
Modifications: Wilson 12lb main spring.
Stoppages: 7. Six failures to eject photos of some below:
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Malfunctions occurred with a variety of 124 and 115 grain steel and brass cases ammo. Zero malfunctions occurred with defensive or “NATO” rated ammo.

One failure to lock back.

Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Notes and Observations: This is a great shooting gun that struggled with reliability in my hands. This is in contrast to my excellent experience with the PX4 Compact's stellar reliability. It did not like weak ammo, or any lack of lubrication. It would typically go 3-500 rounds reliably but after that required lubing. At the urging of other forum members, the gun was sent back to Beretta near the end of the test. Beretta found nothing wrong with it other than they felt it was dirty and not lubed enough. I think there is perhaps an extractor tension problem with my sample as brass to the face was also a 1-3/100 proposition. It is fun to shoot, the trigger is great and the sights hit top of the front at 25 yards splitting the bull. I liked it but I don't trust it.

[Bucky]

Pistol: Beretta PX4 Full Sized
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: All sorts of 115, 124, and 147 grain ammo. At least ten types. What I can recall: PPU 115 gr normal and NATO, S&B 124 gr normal, and NATO, Winchester 124 gr NATO, MEN 124 gr NATO, Brown Bear 115 gr, Wolf WPA 115 gr, Speer Lawman 124 gr, 147 grain, AE 147 gr fmj, Magtech 115 gr, HST 147 gr standard pressure, Ranger T 124 grain +p
Dates of testing: 8/2017-10/2017
Total rounds fired: 2,045
Modifications: Wilson 12lb main spring.
Stoppages: 7. Six failures to eject photos of some below:


This is disappointing. One thing I suspect, is though the rotating barrel may have great qualities, like recoil reduction, perhaps it has a stronger requirement for proper lubrication.

[LockedBreech]

Pistol: Beretta PX4 Full Sized
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: All sorts of 115, 124, and 147 grain ammo. At least ten types. What I can recall: PPU 115 gr normal and NATO, S&B 124 gr normal, and NATO, Winchester 124 gr NATO, MEN 124 gr NATO, Brown Bear 115 gr, Wolf WPA 115 gr, Speer Lawman 124 gr, 147 grain, AE 147 gr fmj, Magtech 115 gr, HST 147 gr standard pressure, Ranger T 124 grain +p
Dates of testing: 8/2017-10/2017
Total rounds fired: 2,045
Modifications: Wilson 12lb main spring.
Stoppages: 7. Six failures to eject photos of some below:
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Malfunctions occurred with a variety of 124 and 115 grain steel and brass cases ammo. Zero malfunctions occurred with defensive or “NATO” rated ammo.

One failure to lock back.

Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Notes and Observations: This is a great shooting gun that struggled with reliability in my hands. This is in contrast to my excellent experience with the PX4 Compact's stellar reliability. It did not like weak ammo, or any lack of lubrication. It would typically go 3-500 rounds reliably but after that required lubing. At the urging of other forum members, the gun was sent back to Beretta near the end of the test. Beretta found nothing wrong with it other than they felt it was dirty and not lubed enough. I think there is perhaps an extractor tension problem with my sample as brass to the face was also a 1-3/100 proposition. It is fun to shoot, the trigger is great and the sights hit top of the front at 25 yards splitting the bull. I liked it but I don't trust it.

Excellent report. As a resident Beretta fanboy and PX4 cheerleader I have no problem saying I think you gave the gun a very fair shake and I think Beretta let you down here. I don't know what's wrong with your PX4 that they missed. Normally 7 malfs in 2K rounds wouldn't be huge but when they're all the same type even with different ammo and even the manufacturer can't find the problem, I'd be hesitant to trust it too. I hope it at least gives you fun range time now and again.


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[JodyH]

Pistol: H&K P30L LEM (3 magazines)
Caliber: .40
Ammunition: 2500 rounds of Winchester 180gr. "purple box" and 200 rounds of Underwood 140gr. Xtreme Penetrator.

This pistol had approximately 1500 rounds of Federal 165gr. HST through it with no malfunctions prior to "officially" starting a 2000 round challenge.
I shot all 2700 rounds of the challenge over approximately 3 months and have been using the pistol in some pretty rough field conditions including sand/silt and torrential rains.
Zero malfunctions, everything fed, went bang and ejected 100%.
I had too many "stoppages" to count. With my grip and thumb position the P30 slide will rarely lock back on empty, that's just the way it is and my grip works too well for shooting to change it around for slide lock.

[Bucky]

Pistol: H&K P30L LEM (3 magazines)
Caliber: .40
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Zero malfunctions, everything fed, went bang and ejected 100%.
I had too many "stoppages" to count. With my grip and thumb position the P30 slide will rarely lock back on empty, that's just the way it is and my grip works too well for shooting to change it around for slide lock.

Zero malfunction, but zero stoppages? What’s the difference?

As for slide lock, I had the same issue with my P30L. I put in a slide stop for a P30S, and that issue went away. Something to consider.

[JodyH]

Zero malfunction, but zero stoppages? What’s the difference?

As for slide lock, I had the same issue with my P30L. I put in a slide stop for a P30S, and that issue went away. Something to consider.

Post #1 of this thread...


RULES
DEFINITIONS

Stoppage: Any failure of the pistol to go through its entire cycle of operation. This could include a failure to feed, fire, extract, or eject. A problem qualifies as a Stoppage if and only if the shooter is capable of fixing the problem without the use of any tools, without disassembling the gun in any way (magazine can be removed), and the pistol is in firing condition in less than 30 seconds. For example, a stovepipe or failure of the slide to go fully into battery would be Stoppages. Added 21-Jan-08: Failure to lock back after the last round in a magazine is fired, even if the shooter believes it was caused by an improper grip, is considered a stoppage.

Malfunction: Any failure of the pistol to go through its entire cycle of operation and which requires the use of tools, disassembly of any part of the pistol, and/or takes more than 30 seconds to resolve, but does not require any parts replacement. For example, a dislodged spring or a front sight that falls off the gun would be Malfunctions.

Breakage: Any failure of the pistol to go through its entire cycle of operation and which requires parts replacement (springs, pins, locking block, anything) to resolve. For example, a broken spring or chipped extractor would be Breakages.

A pistol must fire 2,000 consecutive rounds without any cleaning or maintenance or additional lubrication without any stoppages, malfunctions or breakages to qualify as having met the "2,000 Round Challenge."

[Bucky]

Post #1 of this thread...

Thanks for the clarification. It's a shame that shooter induced issues (riding a slide stop) are not segregated from a firearm related stoppage (stove pipe, or even the magazine not locking back due to a mechanical issue).

[Clusterfrack]

Pistol: CZ Shadow 2
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 125gr SNS coated round nose, 3.7gr Nobel Sport Prima V, CCI 500 primers, 1.115" COL
Dates of testing: 9/11/17 - 10/21/17
Total rounds fired: ~2000
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

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Here's the entry for the twin sister of this gun.



Pistol: CZ Shadow 2
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 125gr SNS coated round nose, 3.7gr Nobel Sport Prima V, CCI 500 primers, 1.115" COL
Dates of testing: 8/12/17 - 9/6/17
Total rounds fired: 2000
Malfunctions: 4 (light strikes, failure to fire)
Breakages: 0

Modifications:
11# Main Spring:
https://cajungunworks.com/product/hs-12000-black-11-5-hammer-spring/

Floating Trigger Pin
https://cajungunworks.com/product/tr-pin-cgws-exclusive-floating-trigger-pin/

11# Recoil Spring:
https://czcustom.com/cz-75-85-sp01-spring-recoil-full-11-lb-x-1.html

Rami FP Spring:
https://czcustom.com/cz-parts-all/fire-control/cz-2075-rami-factory-firing-pin-spring.html

Extended Firing Pin
https://czcustom.com/cz-parts-all/fire-control/cz-85c-ts-shadow-extended-firing-pin.html

[thward89]

Pistol: M&P 2.0 full-size
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 115gr. Winchester white box, 115gr. American Eagle, 124gr. American Eagle, 115gr. Fiocchi, 124gr. Gold Dots
Dates of testing: 8/9/17-10-21/17
Total rounds fired: 2100
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0
Stoppages: 0

Thoughts: Overall, I was very happy with how the 2.0 performed. Before firing any rounds, I added Warren Sevigny sights and the Apex DCAEK. Throughout testing I had zero problems with the sights or trigger. I had zero issues running any of the above ammunition and had no issue with accuracy at distance. If I did my part, I was able to shoot in the high 80s to low 90s regularly (I am still learning to shoot groups at distance). The grip texture is probably the best factory texture I have felt and believe it contributed to the ease at which the gun shoots. I was also able to shoot a personal best on Mike Pannone’s Marksmanship Evaluation Course (186, Level 2) which is higher than my previous runs with a Glock 19, Glock 17, and HK VP9. I am hoping to pick up the 2.0 compact in the coming months and look forward to running it through the same test.

[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: Beretta Wilson Combat 92G Brigadier Tactical
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Many, 10-12 different types of varying weights
Dates of testing: 8/2017-11/2017
Total rounds fired: 2043
Stoppages: 4. One short Stroke failure to feed with Brown Bear 115 Grain around the 1100 mark, and three failures to lock back on empty. Two of those in the last 100 rounds with Magtec 115 grain ammo.
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Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments: This is a great shooting handgun. I am unconcerned with the few stoppages I had as they were all related to weak ammo. Run decent ammo in it and lubricate it (or not) regularly, and it should serve anyone quite well. At the end of the test, it was still oily in many spots although the rails were a bit dry.

[WobblyPossum]

Pistol: Glock 19 Gen5
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: 115 grain Blazer aluminum, 115 grain Federal American Eagle, 115 grain Tula steel case, 124 grain S&B contract overrun, 124 grain +P Federal HST
Dates of testing: 9/04/17-11/05/17
Total rounds fired: 2,118
Stoppages: 3
Malfunctions: zero
Breakages: zero

Comments:
The three stoppages were a failure to feed, a failure to fire, and a failure to eject. All three occurred during the first 600 rounds when I was using Magpul magazines and Blazer Aluminum ammo. Once I stopped using the Magpul magazines, the problems went away even when using steel and Aluminum cases ammo. I believe the failure to fire was my fault. I did a press check right before firing a drill. My first round in that drill failed to fire but fired successfully after being rechambered. I believe I failed to make sure the slide returned to battery after the press check. I tested this out later with aluminum cases ammo and found that the top round in the magazine added enough friction to the slide that the slide wouldn’t close completely under the force of the recoil spring when doing a press check. It’s possible to drop the striker when not entirely in battery but there might not be enough force hitting the primer.

I’m not counting several failures of the slide to lock back on empty because my grip tends to ride the slide stop on Glocks. It’s not the gun’s fault.


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[Erick Gelhaus]

Pistol: M&P 2.0 4.25" with Thumb Safety, serial # NAZ0XXX and Streamlight TLR1 / contoured remote switch attached;
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Initially, (@275 rds) Speer Gold Dot, Fed HST, Win Ranger, frangible, ball; remainder was American Eagle ball;
Dates of testing: 11/05-11/15/17
Total rounds fired: 2083
Stoppages: None
Malfunctions: None
Breakages: None


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[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: M&P 2.0 4.25" with Thumb Safety, serial # NAZ0XXX and Streamlight TLR1 / contoured remote switch attached;
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Initially, (@275 rds) Speer Gold Dot, Fed HST, Win Ranger, frangible, ball; remainder was American Eagle ball;
Dates of testing: 11/05-11/15/17
Total rounds fired: 2083
Stoppages: None
Malfunctions: None
Breakages: None


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What are those round fan shroud looking things under the pistol and the flashlight looking thing in a steel case upper left corner?

[JTQ]

What are those round fan shroud looking things under the pistol ...
Looks like Surefire battery holders

http://www.surefire.com/batteries/sc1-spares-carrier.html

[LockedBreech]

Pistol: M&P 2.0 4.25" with Thumb Safety, serial # NAZ0XXX and Streamlight TLR1 / contoured remote switch attached;
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Initially, (@275 rds) Speer Gold Dot, Fed HST, Win Ranger, frangible, ball; remainder was American Eagle ball;
Dates of testing: 11/05-11/15/17
Total rounds fired: 2083
Stoppages: None
Malfunctions: None
Breakages: None


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Impressive run, and with my preferred rail light as a bonus. Very nice datapoint.

[Erick Gelhaus]

What are those round fan shroud looking things under the pistol and the flashlight looking thing in a steel case upper left corner?

So, I've been down at Gunsite teaching for the last few weeks (carbine last week, Low Light/Intermediate Pistol this week). The round objects are SureFire CR123 battery holders. The object attached to the upper left of the target frame is a flashlight / flashlight holder designed to force the students to overcome the BadGuys' light through technique and equipment. There will be a seperate post on it in a training thread.

[Maca]

Pistol: HK 45C. 128-045XXX serial number (German-made); BG date code; Light LEM trigger; Heinie sights
Caliber: 45 ACP
Ammunition: mix of Magtech, Blazer Brass and S&B
Dates of testing: 06/17 - 10/17
Total rounds fired: 2100
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

The gun runs 100%. no issues at all. Its my every day carry in a 5-shot SME holster, with either the 8-round or the 10-round elephant foot mag.

[Erick Gelhaus]

What are those round fan shroud looking things under the pistol and the flashlight looking thing in a steel case upper left corner?

A seperate thread on it is here:
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?28603-Low-light-amp-flashlight-work&p=675556#post675556

[BigT]

Pistol GLOCK 17 Gen4 MOS
Calibre 9mm
Ammunition a variety but mainly 124 and 147gr reloads loaded to about a 132-135 pf
Dates 16Nov 2017- 27 November 2017
Rounds fired 2455
Stoppages 2 (both ammo related)
Malfunctions 0
Breakages 0

Comments

I don't blame the gun for either stoppage. The ammo was loaded in bulk fast and the QC involved making sure there was a case, primer , powder, and a bullet. Cases were mixed and no gauging or other checks were done on any of the ammo that wasn't to be shot in matches. Stuff that failed the case gauge was thrown back into the practice pile. The two malfunctions involved a case with the bullet really badly seated that deformed the case mouth to a really problematic level. Wouldn't work in any pistol with a vaguely SAAMi spec chamber.

Other one was a case so deformed in the head region it looked like a pregnant guppy.

Neither gun related and only listed for honesty sake.

I had no intention of doing a 2000 round challenge just realised I had reached 1200 odd rounds since my last lubrication so decided to carry on. Pistol had 4-5000 rounds through it at the start of the test

[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: FrankenGlock G34 See comments.
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: More than ten varieties of 115, 124, 147 grain ammo. Mostly 115 Magtec.
Dates of testing: 8/17-11/17
Total rounds fired: 2,005
Stoppages: 6 See comments
Malfunctions: zero
Breakages: zero

Comments: I built this pistol using a G31 .357 Sig lower with 30274 ejector. This lower has been chopped to accept G19 mags. It had a couple thousand rounds on it as a G17 franken lower. The upper slide is made by Valiant Unlimited. I received it in trade and thought it would be a fun project. I built it with standard Glock parts, KKM barrel, minus connector, and Defoor sights.

Stoppages:
Two short stroke malfunctions using PPU 115 grain ammo when shot by a novice shooter. I think these were limp wristing.
Two failures to feed with Wolf Poly coat 115 grain ammo and Magpul GL9 magazine. This was clearly a mag/ammo issue. The poly coat was hanging up in the mag.
One failure to feed with Brow Bear 115 Grain and Magpul GL9 magazine.
All the above happened in the first 800 rounds. I went 1000 rounds til the next malfunction which was:
One failure to completely go into battery from slide release Magtech 115 grain. Easily remedied with a tap on the back of the slide. I did not note the magazine brand.

Overall I am really pleased with the build. I set several PRs on the Supertest with this set up. It is reliable and controllable. I don't hold steel ammo and non stock magazines against it. I didn't do a ton of 25 yard accuracy shooting with it, but in the little I did, I don't feel the KKM barrel added anything over stock, at least at my skill level.

[TPM]

Pistol: Glock 43 w/ TLR-6 and various TTI mag extensions
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Federal 115GR aluminum case, Winchester “forged” 115GR steel case, Speer Gold Dot 124GR.
Dates of testing: 10/15/2017-12/16/2017
Total rounds fired: 2,350
Stoppages: 11
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments: Ive had this gun for a couple years but have finally had the down-time to get to the range on a consistent schedule , so I figured I’d grab the little guy. Pistol was cleaned/lubed prior to the start of the 2000rd challenge. It currently wears a TLR-6 and 10-8 sights.

All eleven stoppages were within 150rd box of Winchester “USA Forged” 115GR steel case (all failure to extract). A P2000 and a friends P229 also experienced identical stoppages with this ammo.

Somewhat surprising to me, all of my TTI magazine extensions (+1, +2, & +3) worked just fine throughout the testing.

[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: Steyr M9-A1
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: Aguila 115 grain
Magtech 115 grain
Wolf 115 grain
Brown Bear 115 grain
Silver Bear 115 grain
Federal American Eagle 147 grain
115 grain PPU NATO
124 grain PPU NATO
S&B 124 grain SB9A
S&B 124 grain NATO SB9B
Federal HST 147 grain
Winchester Ranger T +P 124 grain
Dates of testing: 8/115-12/17
Total rounds fired: 2,010
Stoppages: 9 See comments
Malfunctions: zero
Breakages: zero

Comments:: this is a really interesting pistol I picked up years ago and never got around to shooting much. A friend absolutely loves the trapezoid sights, loves shooting it, and really wants it so I put a couple thousand rounds through it to test it before passing it on.

Stoppages: all stoppages were identical in nature. The slide failed to fully go into battery and the trigger would pull with a light striker hit followed by a dead trigger.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171223/b61d6988ee3c692e8d1c416fa80d32b9.jpg

Usually it was just barely out of battery. Racking the slide and loading another round cleared every stoppage. Six of the nine occurred with 124 grain PPU and I had this same ammo lock up a previously reliable Walther PPQ. I suspect something is wrong with this lot of ammo but I did have difficulty with some other ammo so maybe it is just a tight chamber or something. Without remedial action , the stoppages did not occur in the last 500 rounds of defensive ammo and S&B ammo. It could be there is simply a break in period with this fairly tightly toleranced pistol.


This gun shoots extremely well and in detail stripping after the test I found it very well built with tight tolerances, beautiful small parts and machining, and a chassis system similar to and pre dating the Sig P320 that seems much higher quality than the Sig version, but not as refined or as easy to remove. I can see why Steyr is suing Sig over this.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171223/adad54e95e2b7b5d8b89e55093aec73b.jpg

Overall it is a pity this gun has not had further development, but Steyr seems uninterested. There is a lot of potential here. The trigger is about the equal of a Walther PPQ and amongst the more excellent striker triggers I have tried.

[Duelist]

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Pistol: Glock 26 Gen3 serial FCSxxxUS
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 115 grain Blazer Aluminum, 115 grain Winchester White Box, 115 grain Federal Aluminum, 115 grain Independence Aluminum, 115 grain Barnaul, 147 grain Speer Lawman, 124 grain Speer Gold Dot, 124 grain Federal HST, 147 grain Winchester White Box JHP, 147 grain Federal HST, 147 grain Remington Golden Saber, 115 grain Federal 9BP
Dates of testing: 7/1/2017-12/27/2017
Total rounds fired: 2,013
Stoppages: 6
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0
Comments:
Purchased gun used, unknown round count. Minor wear was present on barrel hood, none on the rest of the pistol. Cleaned and lubed (lithium grease on slide rails) the day of purchase, did not fire it until installed SCD and added grip plug before test began. Did not replace any internal parts prior to or during test. Switched from factory sights to Trijicon HD Orange at round 396. Used in a Cecil Burch class in November.

The gun has factory 336 ejector, LCI extractor, springs, etc, and doesn't have a tidy ejection pattern. 11 rounds fired without a magazine resulted in 11 (very hot) fired casings falling through the mag well and brushing past my little finger on their way to the ground. IOW, it completely failed the 1911 extractor test.

I shot most of the rounds in this 2k round test, but several others ran rounds through it as well. From experts to novices, no one had any trouble with it. All 6 stoppages happened when I was shooting it.

Stoppage descriptions:
#1: misfire @ round ~600 - Barnaul steel case. Round did not fire in two other guns. Same case of Barnaul had 3 other misfires in another gun - that all fired through this G26. Dud round.
#2: stovepipe @ round ~1190 - Independence Aluminum. Noticeably weak recoil. Round in magazine entered chamber, expended case sat on top of it captured by the rim straight up in the air between barrel hood and breech face. Cleared weapon and checked for lodged bullet. Barrel was clear. Loaded and fired remaining rounds in magazine. Did not buy any more cases of this. Ammunition issue?
#3: early slide lock @ round ~1225. Purchased a used 33 round Glock factory magazine and wanted to try it in the G26 because it looked ridiculous and made me laugh. 115 grain Independence Aluminum. 4 rounds left in magazine. Never used the magazine again. Ammunition/magazine/thumb?
#4&5: early slide locks @ round 1749 & 1751: same magazine of 147 grain Federal HST. My right thumb takes full responsibility for both of them. It took a whack from the slide lock lever both times. Corrected grip, functioning returned to normal.
#6: slide failure to lock on empty @ round 2,013. 115 grain Blazer Aluminum. My thumb was sitting on top of the slide lock lever.

Other ammunition issues:
Barnaul was cheap, but stinky and dirty. It was not the most accurate out of any of my guns, but the G26 shot it noticeably more accurately than any of them, including a Beretta 92a1 that hates that stuff.
I was given a box of Golden Saber that I added to this test. In that one 25 round box, I had one round with a quiet report and weak recoil, but the gun did cycle fully and the bullet was not lodged in the barrel. Bullet impact was also out of the group.

I did not expect to like this gun. I like Gen 3 S&W single stacks, Kframes, classic SIGs, and Berettas. I have long been a "Glock hater". But my buddy has a G26 that works, and some other smallish guns I tried didn't, so I traded one of the failures for this cheap used G26, and now I am glad I did.

I like this gun. 6 stoppages in 2,013 rounds is technically a fail of Todd's 2k round test. But 3 were my interface with the gun, 2 were ammunition issues, and only 1 cannot be determined without further testing.

Not bad.

[1986s4]

I'm 350 rounds into my 3rd 2000 round challenge with my .38 super Colt. It seems once I realized I didn't need to clean my pistols that often these 2000 round counts just seem... Normal. So I had a pistol/carbine match this weekend and on the last shot of the last string of pistol fire on a stage the gun went poof rather than bang, I felt sharp impacts on my face [eyes protected by Smith Optics ballistic glasses]. There was smoke coming from the action and the slide partially out of battery. The pistol was frozen and had to be pounded open and stripped. Bits of brass fell out as it opened. Once the barrel was removed the blown case head was evident [trying to load picture]. It is a .38 super +P case. The case had to tapped out of the chamber. Not wanting to quit the competition I reassembled the pistol, checked it with different ammo and continued on.
I'll count this as a stoppage due to ammo. The pistol functioned 100% for the rest of the match so the test will continue as well. Some lube was lost during the clearing of the pistol which will not be replaced.

[TOTS]

Pistol: 2015 Colt Wiley Clapp
Caliber: .45 ACP
Ammunition: Vast majority of 230 gr Xtreme PRN over 4.2 gr Titegroup, 230gr Win Ranger T, (marginal number of unknown FMJ)
Dates of testing: Sept. 2015 to Nov 2017
Total rounds fired: 2,045+
Stoppages: 5 (2 counted against gun due to lubrication required)
Malfunctions: zero
Breakages: zero

Comments:
The pistol was purchased brand new in 2015. I had sold a Springfield Range Officer to fund it and had reloaded .45 to fit the RO. The Colt has a tighter chamber than the RO so ammo initially used for the test had too little crimp and caused (3) FT completely go into battery within the first 75 rnds. This was determined by chamber checking the offending rounds which wouldn’t fully seat. After the crimp was adjusted, all further ammo reliably fed and fired until 871. At this point, and almost a year later, all lube had evaporated and the slide action was noticably slowed. 871 caused a stoppage. I wasn’t shooting at the time, so, I cant stipulate what it was, but, after I added some oil, it functioned properly until approx 1500. At this point, the slide action was extremely slow and erratic, and again, competely dry and a round hit the feedramp on a reload from slidelock and wouldnt fully go into battery. As I had re-crimped all my .45 by this point, i lubed the rails and hood, reloaded the offending round and the gun fired until completion of the 2000+ rounds. Modifications included a Wilson Combat medium trigger, thumb safety, and thin LOK grips. Magazines are Colt (2), Kimber Kimpro (1), and Wilson 47 and 47Ds. Problems with this gun seem to happen when it gets dry. Not sure how the test would have gone if all 2000 were fired in a shorter period of time. This test happened over a period of two years as i dont shoot often. One FTRTB was not reported as ammo QC was unquestionably culpable, plating on bullet was shaved off and bunched up by brass, not allowing the round to chamber. No issues with any factory ammo or hollowpoints.
http://i.imgur.com/1o2iQzN.jpg (http://imgur.com/1o2iQzN)

http://i.imgur.com/V8pEODa.jpg (http://imgur.com/V8pEODa)

http://i.imgur.com/PQKyF0i.jpg (http://imgur.com/PQKyF0i)

[03RN]

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2k rounds, 1 malfunction in the last 150. Done in the last month. Bought the gun used. Just added a wilson rear sight and g levers.

Mostly Winchester steel cased. 400 RDS zqi NATO, 50 HST, 50 gold dots.

Last 150 were shot in the dark:cool:

[MSparks909]

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2k rounds, 1 malfunction in the last 150. Done in the last month. Bought the gun used. Just added a wilson rear sight and g levers.

Mostly Winchester steel cased. 400 RDS zqi NATO, 50 HST, 50 gold dots.

Last 150 were shot in the dark:cool:

Winchester Forged? That stuff is notorious for causing malfunctions. If you only had one malfunction with that being the majority of ammo fired count yourself lucky. And that’s a damn good performance by your Beretta.

[03RN]

Winchester Forged? That stuff is notorious for causing malfunctions. If you only had one malfunction with that being the majority of ammo fired count yourself lucky. And that’s a damn good performance by your Beretta.

1 failure to extract after about 1k of it. 500 wolf/tula.

I like the stuff. I grab a few every time I'm in Walmart.

[MSparks909]

1 failure to extract after about 1k of it. 500 wolf/tula.

I like the stuff. I grab a few every time I'm in Walmart.

I don’t mind Wolf/Tula. I mostly shoot Wolf if I’m shooting steel cased though. I’ve had several malfunctions with the Winchester Forged ammo in my personal guns so I stopped buying it. Never had an issue with Wolf, even after not cleaning for several thousand rounds.

[Nephrology]

I don’t mind Wolf/Tula. I mostly shoot Wolf if I’m shooting steel cased though. I’ve had several malfunctions with the Winchester Forged ammo in my personal guns so I stopped buying it. Never had an issue with Wolf, even after not cleaning for several thousand rounds.

I find Tula to be of lower quality than wolf, which is about equal to brown bear. silver bear is a little nicer than either.

[1986s4]

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Blown case head, .38 super auto. The case is marked .38 Super +P. Sure locked up the gun but fully functional after clearing.

[1986s4]

I should add to the above that the magazine follower was broken as a result of the blow out.

[Greg]

Have you heard the term "Super Face" before? 38 Supers blowing out and pelting the face isn't a new thing at all.

Glad you were OK! You can't reuse that brass very often.

[1986s4]

Have you heard the term "Super Face" before? 38 Supers blowing out and pelting the face isn't a new thing at all.

Glad you were OK! You can't reuse that brass very often.

Yes, Super Face! Heard of it, now I have experienced it. I have stopped using that bullet/powder combination, no loss, inaccurate anyway. Surprisingly inconsistent accuracy with that load. I was using it up for short range stages because past 20 yards things opened up considerably. Now it's gone and my new load, although having more recoil, is much, much better accuracy wise and I suspect safer using a much slower burning powder.

[SilentSc0rch]

Finally, I own a Glock that can pass the 2,000 Round Challenge... After attempting it several times with my Gen3 19 and not getting passed 900 rounds, the Gen5 just ran through it with the following results:

Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

The ammo was a variety of Blazer, Federal Aluminum (mostly), and a handful of Critical Duties (which I don't carry anymore) through a variety of mags including OEM, ETS, and P-Mags (the majority of those were P-Mags). Before starting the challenge, I had a few stoppages which were a result of user error. The pistol held open prematurely which was caused by me pressing up on the slide stop with a less-than-ideal grip. Other than that, this thing has been absolutely flawless. As I'm sure others have mentioned, the wear in places where the slide contacts the barrel appears to be greater than that of previous generations due to the hardness of the new finish.

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[OkieHeat]

Finally, I own a Glock that can pass the 2,000 Round Challenge... After attempting it several times with my Gen3 19 and not getting passed 900 rounds, the Gen5 just ran through it with the following results:

Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

The ammo was a variety of Blazer, Federal Aluminum (mostly), and a handful of Critical Duties (which I don't carry anymore) through a variety of mags including OEM, ETS, and P-Mags (the majority of those were P-Mags). Before starting the challenge, I had a few stoppages which were a result of user error. The pistol held open prematurely which was caused by me pressing up on the slide stop with a less-than-ideal grip. Other than that, this thing has been absolutely flawless. As I'm sure others have mentioned, the wear in places where the slide contacts the barrel appears to be greater than that of previous generations due to the hardness of the new finish.

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That's good too hear, I am little over half way too 2000 with my 19.5.

[Tamara]

Pistol: CZ-75B Omega, in decock-only configuration
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: 650 rounds of TulAmmo 115gr FMJ, 400 Win 124gr NATO FMJ, 200 115gr Aguila FMJ, the rest was a mixture of stuff including HST & GDHP
Dates of testing: 11/6/17 to 1/18/18
Total rounds fired: 2,000
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

The gun was taken out of the box, given a few drops of Lucas Extreme Gun Oil down each slide rail and one each on the chamber hood and muzzle end of the barrel. VZ Grips were added partway through the test and are a dramatic improvement over the janky factory plastic ones which are somehow too sharp and too slippery at the same time.

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[Duelist]

Pistol: CZ-75B Omega, in decock-only configuration
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: 650 rounds of TulAmmo 115gr FMJ, 400 Win 124gr NATO FMJ, 200 115gr Aguila FMJ, the rest was a mixture of stuff including HST & GDHP
Dates of testing: 11/6/17 to 1/18/18
Total rounds fired: 2,000
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

The gun was taken out of the box, given a few drops of Lucas Extreme Gun Oil down each slide rail and one each on the chamber hood and muzzle end of the barrel. VZ Grips were added partway through the test and are a dramatic improvement over the janky factory plastic ones which are somehow too sharp and too slippery at the same time.

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And it's purdy!!

[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: Glock 43
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: Aguila 115 grain
Magtech 115 grain
Federal HST 147 grain
Winchester Ranger T 124 +P
PPU 124 grain NATO
PPU 115 grain NATO A-355
PPU 115 grain A-430
Federal American Eagle 147 grain
Federal American Eagle 124 grain
Speer Lawman 147 grain
Speer Lawman 124 grain
Speer Lawman 115 grain
S&B 124 grain SB9A
S&B 124 grain NATO SB9B
S&B 115 grainSB9A
Wolf 115 grain
Brown Bear 115 grain
Silver Bear 115 grain
Dates of testing: 11/15 to 2/18
Total rounds fired: 2,033
Stoppages: 3
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

It took a while for this gun to grow on me and we had a slow start to the test. I have been carrying it primarily as a running gun and it has been frequently covered in sweat.

Stoppages:
One short stroke with Brown Bear early on.
One failure to feed 147 HST around round 700, unsure of cause. Last round in mag and that mag had been in the gun at least six months.
One fail to lock back with Magtech. Either weak round or my thumb.

I dismantled it completely and cleaned it after the test. It was hardly needed. Minimal dirt and really dry, not that it cared about being dry. Re assembled and lubed wit five drops of oil.

I am impressed with the gun. I shot my first clean 5 yd Dot tortures with it. The only thing I dislike is it runs out of ammo fast.

It has a purpose and would be one of three guns I would keep if limited to that number.

[LockedBreech]

Pistol: CZ-75B Omega, in decock-only configuration
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: 650 rounds of TulAmmo 115gr FMJ, 400 Win 124gr NATO FMJ, 200 115gr Aguila FMJ, the rest was a mixture of stuff including HST & GDHP
Dates of testing: 11/6/17 to 1/18/18
Total rounds fired: 2,000
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

The gun was taken out of the box, given a few drops of Lucas Extreme Gun Oil down each slide rail and one each on the chamber hood and muzzle end of the barrel. VZ Grips were added partway through the test and are a dramatic improvement over the janky factory plastic ones which are somehow too sharp and too slippery at the same time.

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[Bucky]

Pistol: Glock 43
.....
It has a purpose and would be one of three guns I would keep if limited to that number.

Good to see the 43 going through the paces. I feel the same way, god forbid it ever came down to “only 3”.

[OkieHeat]

Glock G5 19 with FBI sights, total rounds 2170.
American Eagle 124gr fmj 650 rounds.
Blazer Brass 124gr fmj 600 rounds.
Winchester 115gr fmj white box 300 rounds.
Monarch 115gr fmj steel case 150 rounds.
Winchester 124gr fmj Nato 100 rounds.
Monarch 145gr fmj steel case 100rounds.
Monarch 115gr fmj brass case 100 rounds.
Aguila 115gr fmj brass case 50 rounds.
Remington 115gr brass case UMC junk 50 rounds. 1 stoppage due to failure to extract.
Winchester 124gr Hollow Point 20 rounds.
Browning 147gr fmj brass case 50rounds.

Stoppage 1
Malfunction 0
Stoppage 0
The last 100 rounds were mag dumps trying to induce a stoppage from heat or rapid fire.
But no issues from mag dumps.
Over all seems like a solid gun and enjoy shooting it. I have almost 3000 rounds through the gun with a lot of junky ammo with one stoppage, so i am happy with it.
If i see anything wrong when i do clean it i will report it to you guys.

[OkieHeat]

Glock G5 19 with FBI sights, total rounds 2170.
American Eagle 124gr fmj 650 rounds.
Blazer Brass 124gr fmj 600 rounds.
Winchester 115gr fmj white box 300 rounds.
Monarch 115gr fmj steel case 150 rounds.
Winchester 124gr fmj Nato 100 rounds.
Monarch 145gr fmj steel case 100rounds.
Monarch 115gr fmj brass case 100 rounds.
Aguila 115gr fmj brass case 50 rounds.
Remington 115gr brass case UMC junk 50 rounds. 1 stoppage due to failure to eject.
Winchester 124gr Hollow Point 20 rounds.
Browning 147gr fmj brass case 50rounds.

Stoppage 1
Malfunction 0
Stoppage 0
The last 100 rounds were mag dumps trying to induce a stoppage from heat or rapid fire.
But no issues from mag dumps.
Over all seems like a solid gun and enjoy shooting it. I have almost 3000 rounds through the gun with a lot of junky ammo with one stoppage, so i am happy with it.
If i see anything wrong when i do clean it i will report it to you guys.

[jkb4c]

Pistol: Beretta 92G Brigadier Tactical
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: 124gr Blazer Brass
Dates of testing: 1/23/18 - 2/26/18
Total rounds fired: 2,001
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

This is my practice Brig Tac, now with a grand total of 9,117 rounds through it. This was the first time I let it go 2k without cleaning (got lazy). I generally use Wilson Ultima Lube-II grease on the rails and locking block, minimal breakfree CLP elsewhere.

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[Clusterfrack]

Pistol: CZ P-07
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Federal HST 147, and 125gr SNS coated round nose, 3.7gr Nobel Sport Prima V, CCI 500 primers, 1.110" COL. Also fired random FMJ and JHP I had lying around.
Magazines used: CZ P-07 15 round, CZ P-10c, Mec-Gar CZ75b 17 round.
Dates of testing: 10/30/17 - 2/27/18
Total rounds fired: 2125
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Modifications:
CGW Prograde kit (https://cajungunworks.com/product/p-07-p-09-pro-grade-package/) w/18# mainspring, 0.020" heavy sear spring
SS guiderod w/18# flat wire recoil spring
Dawson FO front sight 0.95"
OEM rear sights, dots blacked out
Tractiongrips griptape

DA: 8.5 (stock weight 13.2 lbs)
SA: 4 lbs (stock weight 3.3 - 5.5lbs)

Notes: This gun and its virtually stock sister are now my primary CCWs. The P-07 carries like a G19, and I find it ergonomically excellent. Accuracy is remarkable.


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[M2CattleCo]

Pistol: Wilson Combat X-Tac 5" 9mm.
Mags: 10 round ETMs and 9 round Metalform with the ramped front.
Ammo: Federal American Eagle 147 and 124, Federal HST 147.
Stoppages: none. Malfunctions: none. Breakages: none. I didn't strictly follow the test as I did lube the rails and lugs several times in the 2K rounds, but it wasn't cleaned beyond wiping oil off the outside. This was this pistol's first ever 2K rounds.

This pistol has fed the 124 and 147 FMJ, and the 147 HST just fine through the 10 round ETMs and the 9 round Metalforms. I'm very impressed with the Metalforms at less than $19/mag. The ETMs are pretty salty at $31 & change on sale.

The pistol is typical Wilson. Barrel is fit very well, no spring, no riding the link, lower lug hits high on the frame, upper lugs engage beautifully. Trigger is very nice at about 4lbs. It is running a 19lb main, 12.5lb recoil spring.

A very enjoyable and easy pistol to shoot well. A 1911, especially in 9mm is a very forgiving and rewarding pistol to shoot after over a year of only Glocks.

[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: Sig P226 Legion

Caliber: 9x19mm

Ammunition:
S&B 124 grain SB9B
PPU 115 grain NATO A-355
Winchester 124 grain NATO
Armscor 124 grain
Speer Lawman 124 grain
PPU 124 grain NATO
Federal American Eagle 147 grain, Magtech 115 grain
Speer Lawman 147 grain
Speer Lawman 115 grain
Wolf 115 grain poly coat
Brown Bear 115 grain
Silver Bear 115 grain
S&B 124 grain NATO

Dates of testing: 11/17 - 3/18

Total rounds fired: 2,051

Stoppages: 7
1 auto forward did not load round.
3 fail to ignite primer fired second strike PPU 115 NATO, Brown Bear 115 grain, Silver Bear 115 grain.
3x rounds stuck in mag failure to feed Wolf 115 grain poly stuck in mag FTFX2 (mid mag), Silver Bear x1 (on auto forward reload)

Malfunctions: 0

Breakages: 0

This is my first experience with a Sig P226. I found it to be an accurate, reliable gun. The stoppages were with steel cases Russian Ammo binding in magazines, and a couple light strikes. If I were to carry it I would avoid steel case and increase the hammer spring weight slightly.

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Dirty, and toward the end of the test it ran 275 rounds of brass NATO labeled FMJ like a champ.

Trigger was 8.5/3 lbs at the start and 8/3 at the end.

After 2k challenges, I like to fully disassemble and reassemble pistols just to evaluate how much of a hassle it is. If a PPQ is a 1 a Glock a 2, and an HK a 10, the Sig falls onto Beretta territory at about a 7-8. Meaning I could get it apart, but had to finally resort to youtube it to get the last few bits together.

Overall a good gun, but I think I prefer Berettas for metal TDA pistols.

[NPV]

My experiences with the P226 and steel case ammo were similar; a fair amount of light strikes. Sent it back to Sig and they replaced the mainspring saying "It was out of spec" and it has not hiccuped since.

[psalms144.1]

Pistol: Gen5 G19
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: M882 "NATO" FMJ, A260 JHP (147gr)
Magazines used: OEM Gen5
Dates of testing: 11/11/17 - 3/28/18
Total rounds fired: 2200+
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Modifications:
Exchanged Ameriglo "Bold" Sights for Proglo front and Operator rear

In the first 200 rounds or so, I had a handful of BTF ejection - occurring when using Gen4 G17 magazines. After that, nothing but disturbingly boring reliability. I swapped the sights because the front sight on the set from the factory set too hight on the blade - so, if I lined up the "dots" my sight alignment across the top of the sights was very far off - giving VERY low results shooting at 25 yards +. Could have just gotten a shorter front sight blade, I guess, but that would have required math and guessing - whereas I know my "go to" sight set up works for me.

No pics, because I suck, and you hate me - and I'm too f'ing lazy to take pictures of my dirty Glock now...

[LockedBreech]

The Gen5 Glocks are slaughtering 2K challenges lately. I love it.


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[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: HK P30l V3
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Ammo Types:
PPU 124 grain NATO
Magtech 115 grain
Winchester Ranger 124 Grain +P
Federal 147 grain AE
Wolf 115 grain poly coat
Wolf 115 grain lacquer coat
Brown Bear 115 grain
Silver Bear 115 grain
Remington Golden Saber 147 grain
Cor-Bon JHP 90 or 125 grain? Old.
Speer Lawman 115 grain
S&B 124 grain SB9B
Dates of testing: 1/18-4/18
Total rounds fired: 2081
Stoppages: Running stoppage count:
5 failure to chamber PPU 124 NATO
8 failure to lock on empty all grip related.
Auto forwards constantly.
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:

This is simply an amazing gun. The sort of gun that starts a love affair with HK.

I found it extremely accurate, and extremely easy to shoot at speed.

It runs nearly everything without drama except the 124 grain PPU NATO Ammo which sheds pieces of brass which impede the cartridge and cause a failure to battery. This same ammo has caused me grief in a PX4 and PPQ.

Two changes are needed IMO:
1. Put in the light firing pin block spring this put the trigger at 7.5/3.0 lbs.
2. Put on a taller front sight. HK will swap you a 6.7 for the stock 6.3 and it could use an even taller front if you shoot 147 grain at 25 yards.

A third change is suggested: every P30 series gun I have tried auto forwards way to easily on mag insertion. I don’t know if it is the massive bilateral levers or what, but they should use a stronger spring in the slide lock. This may also prevent the frequent failures to lock in empty I saw although they are undoubtedly grip related.

I have no reservations recommending this gun to anyone.

[Curare]

Pistol: Glock 17 gen 5
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 115gr, 125gr, 147gr Zero JHP over 4.2 to 3.5gr of Titegroup.
Dates of testing: 4/22-5/01/18
Total rounds fired: 2,000
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
None.

[pangloss]

Pistol: Blue label Glock 19 Gen5, purchased new on 11/15/2017 via GSSF purchase certificate
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: 115 gr Aguila, 124 gr Aguila, 124 gr American Eagle, 124 gr +P Speer Gold Dots.
Dates of Testing: 11/18/2017 to 05/03/2018
Total Rounds Fired: 2000 across 17 separate range trips.
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Notes and Observations:
- Pistol was not cleaned after purchase but was lubricated with WeaponShield Gun Oil.
- Prior to starting the test, I replaced the Glock factory sights with Ameriglo sights purchased from the blue label dealer (three dot, square notch, orange front).
- Around 03/01/2018 I installed a Gadget. At that point, I'd shot 1,015 rounds through the pistol.
- The second weekend in March, I shot ~400 rounds in Dave Spaulding's Handgun Combatives Class.
- Zero brass to the face. The pistol seemed to slow down a little over the last 100 rounds. Ejection was not as good as earlier, but I say again: zero BTF.
- This pistol is the third Glock 19 that I've put through the 2000 round challenge and the first one to make it through without any problems. I really like this pistol.

[arcfide]

Pistol: Beretta APX Full Size
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 115gr Fiocchi 9mm
Dates of testing: May 9th, 2018
Total rounds fired: 2,000 SHO
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0
Photos After the Challenge: https://1drv.ms/f/s!AvaVLzoc2_8Mi6QfH1FdEX4HpgG1yA
Video Documentation: https://youtu.be/C7a5cRuELKU
Accuracy Group Pre-test: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AvaVLzoc2_8Mi6QiG7EFS5tE9jPfyw
Accuracy Group Post-test: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AvaVLzoc2_8Mi6QhCH-8SNtPmzQAEQ
Ammo for Group Test: Handloaded 115gr Hornady HAP, Mixed Brass, CCI primers, 6.3gr Power Pistol
Temperature: 70 - 85 degrees F
Timing: Shot from approx. 1/2 PM until 7 PM
Total Time "firing": Approx. 30 - 40 minutes, about 1.1 rounds / second

Introduction:

I can't bring myself to leave a dirty gun lying around, so I committed to doing a 2000 round challenge with the Beretta APX in a single day. Needless to say, this was a lot of work.

The reason for doing this test in the first place was to address the limited number of instances of 2000-round challenges available on the Beretta APX, and also to provide some data points for exploring issues that have been variously reported with the design. I previously tested the APX slide serrations under wet and oily conditions. I wanted to also have some documentation for discussing the following concerns that have been mentioned here or there:

1. Generous chamber area and feed ramp leading to too little support for the cases.

2. Reported Kabooms with PPU Nato and Fiocchi Ammunition.

3. Chassis opening up inside of the frame.

4. Slow or sluggish slide action, possibly leading to failures to return to battery. Any other reduced slide movements due to grime, dirt, insufficient recoil spring force, or deformation.

5. Signs of pitting on the breech face

6. Signs of OOB detonation risks, bulged casings (Glock Smiley), unusual primer strikes, &c.

7. Light strikes, reduced striker force, &c.

8. Viability of Beretta's Lubrication recommendations for extended firing sequences.

9. Dirtiness of the gun/ammo combination, barrel wear, condition of the barrel, and any reductions in accuracy, &c.

10. Finger wear/ergonomics relating to any blisters, bruising, or fatigue caused by the design.

11. Ability to deal with normal amounts of heat; explicitely, I was not interested in a torture test of extreme levels of heat, but I did want to get the gun reasonably hot (indeed, this was unavoidable in order to make the goal of shooting 2,000 rounds in a single range session).

The gun itself has been shot a reasonable amount, and has been dry fired extensively, often without snap caps. I wanted to see how well the gun held up to that sort of use, as I have had other guns that routinely require regular return spring replacements and the like because of heavy dry firing schedules. In particular, the gun has been "fired" (dry or wet) with enough frequency to be able to highlight any potential issues with light primer strikes if they are likely to be widespread with respect to ammo type, rather than particular to a specific primer, for instance.

It was purchased early when the gun was first released. It has all stock, original parts, with the exception of a grey frame/grip installed on it.

Preparation:

This is the same gun that was previously used in my "wet and oily" slide serrations test. After that, the gun was cleaned in a solution of detergent and then re-cleaned again using the Roger's Advanced Gun Cleaning Solution/Squeeg-E kits.

The gun was freshly lubricated in strict accordance with Beretta's manual, which specifies the barrel to be lightly oiled, the slide rails to have a light oiling, the rail guides in the slide, and the recoil spring to receive a light oiling. The manual explicitly discourages oiling any of the rest of the action of the gun, and I followed this instruction. Roger's Premium Lubricant was used to lubricate the gun. This is a lightweight gun oil that comes with the Advanced Gun Cleaning Solution.

All magazines were cleaned using the Advanced Gun Cleaning Solution at the same time that the gun was cleaned. No oil was applied to the magazines, but the "Rinse Agent" was used in accordance with the Roger's kit instructions.

A total of 3 magazines were used throughout the test.

Process:

A 10-round test group was shot at 25 yards from a sandbag style rest at an 8" black on white bullseye target using my handloaded ammunition. I used what I call a "10 and 2" sight picture, which means that I align the front and rear posts of the sight, and then use that line to horizontally bisect the bullseye such that the lines intersect on the circumference of the bullseye at the 10 o'clock and 2 o'clock positions.

After this group, 50-round cycles were shot until all 2,000 rounds were fired. This means that 3 magazines were loaded with 50 rounds (1 box of ammo) and then fired. The magazines were then reloaded and the cycle repeated. If the gun was judged to be "too hot" at any given point, it would be placed in the shade and allowed to cool until it was just comfortable to touch, but still significantly warm. As shooting went on, the gun was allowed to remain hotter than was comfortable to touch throughout much of the last 500 rounds.

One round was lost during the normal process and then recovered at the end and fired, to conclude the test.

At the end of the challenge, another 10 round group was shot using the same ammunition and set up as the initial group. However, this was taken at a point where the sun was around 30 - 45 degrees in the sky facing towards the shooter, changing the sight contrast slightly, and was not ideal light for shooting accurate groups. However, the conditions were judged "good enough".

All rounds were documented with video and were shot strong-hand only with the exception of a small number shot by a friend during the test.

Comments:

There were two incidences of the slide auto-forwarding during magazine insertion, and a round was picked up each time.

Towards the last few boxes, the magazine with the black follower was noted to be a slightly bit more resistant and sluggish than the other two magazines. While this did not appear to affect the function at all, it did mean that it was a little more difficult to load the last round on that magazine than with the other two. This is likely due to the other magazines being more "worn in".

I was very surprised by a few things. Firstly, the Fiocchi ammunition was remarkably clean (outside of the barrel), and the internal components of the gun did not appear to get particularly dirty (judge for yourself). Secondly, I was surprised that the gun handled and shot basically the same from the first shot to the last, without any indication of reduced slide velocity or the like. Thirdly, the barrel was shockingly fouled by the end, with very significant copper fouling in evidence.

The copper fouling was to such a point that one could see was seemed like gold dust misting out of the gun on each shot, glistening in the sunlight. This began to happen within the first 1000 rounds. While this does not appear to have affected the accuracy or function of the gun in any way, it was a rather interesting effect to see.

This the first time I have pushed the lubricant used to such a heavy degree. While I was not attempting to burn off the oil, it is a lightweight oil, and such oils have a reputation for disappearing. However, this oil appears to not only have stuck around, but done an excellent job, with the gun feeling exceptionally smooth throughout the whole challenge. There was plenty of visible evidence of the lubricant still being on the barrel, rails, and recoil spring by the end of the shooting.

When I say that the ammunition shot very clean, I mean, really clean. I am astounded at the brass that I collected. I included a number of photos of the brass, but it looks positively pristine. There is little to no evidence of carbon or other debris on the cases after they have been fired, and they look cleaner and shinier than most of my tumbled and washed brass that I use for reloading. One would easily mistake this brass for being once-fired, cleaned and polished brass, not brass that was picked up from the range as is.

Addressing the specific issues I wanted to examine:

1. I examined and collected nearly all of the brass that was shot, and none of it shows any signs of bulging or even stressed brass. All the brass seems to be in excellent condition, and so if there is an issues with the chambers of these guns, I'm not seeing any of it. Maybe I need to shoot faster?

2. I chose Fiocchi brand ammmunition because it was explicitely mentioned in the Kabooms. The exact kind wasn't mentioned, but I went with what I usually would have used. The ammo is rated to be a little hotter than some 115gr loads, but not the hottest I've seen. It has a reasonable recoil impulse, and doesn't feel like a light loading. I assume the brass used is at least similar or shares similar specifications, since it is from the same company. That's the best I can do. I was unable to duplicate a Kaboom in the test. :-)

3. I let the gun shoot while it was hot and steamy, and I examined the frame and chassis afterwards while cleaning for any signs of separation, warping, or the like. I was unable to discover any signs that the heat even began to have any sort of meaningful effect, and the chassis and frame continued to be mated tightly and showed no signs of warping or issues with the chassis not being held fast. Additionally, there were no signs of the slide velocity slowing down at any point, which would have been expected under cases of the chassis expanding/separating.

4. Because of the surprisingly clean ammo, I don't know how much of a test this is for the slide sluggishness. I do know that with this ammo, the slide felt as slick and ready to move after the 2,000th round as it did from the first. There were no issues with slide movement or recoil spring force.

5. I was unable to confirm any signs of pitting on the breech face. The breech face seems to be slick and as well formed as ever.

6. With regards to pressure signs, OOB detonations, &c. I was unable to determine any significant evidence of OOB possibilities with my own gun. The primers were noted by myself and others to have a more "liquid" look to them than I might normally expect, but I have seen this elsewhere. The one possible case I have seen is that the primer strikes do not all appear to be as fully centered as in some of my other guns. I have included pictures of some of the primer strikes so that others can judge the degree to which that off-centeredness is of any concern.

7. My APX trigger comes in closer to 4 - 5 lbs. than the rated 6 lbs.. This gave me some concern that the striker might have been compressed and worn out, or that there might be some concern over light strikes. The striker itself is slightly compressed in the gun from it's original state, but I saw no evidence of light strikes, and the gun performed without incident. The trigger remained tactile and distinct during the whole session.

8. Beretta's lubrication policies seem to be working just fine. :-) It seems reasonable that if there is a problem with oil burning off or sluggishness of the slide, one may consider changing lubes, rather than dousing the gun.

9. The ammo was very clean, but the barrel got very copper fouled, shockingly so, to me, who is relatively OCD about cleaning guns. None of my pistol barrels have ever been that dirty before. Despite this, I do not believe there was an appreciable difference in accuracy. Given the less ideal shooting conditions for the second accuracy group, as well as the fact that I had just shot 2,000 rounds, I think the second group shot for accuracy indicates that the gun was continuing to shoot about as well as it did when the test started. As noted above, the gun was spewing a golden mist on each shot. However, the trigger continued to feel good, and the rest of the gun felt slick and easy to work with. So, the gun wasn't that dirty.

10. The gun was very comfortable to shoot, and there was no significant fatigue introduced because of the gun. I can't say this for other designs. However, I did notice that my finger got pinched a little bit over time and by the end, about a 1mm x 3mm blister had formed on the inside pad portion of my trigger finger between my index finger and the middle finger. A more judicious placement of my trigger finger under firing eliminated the pinch, but it is possible to do it. The pinch was not the result of the trigger safety blade, and the blade proved to be comfortable to use even after extended use and with it's slide protrusion.

11. When the gun gets hot, the takedown lever also gets very hot. This means that a thumbs forward index on the gun can result in your thumbs getting pretty toasty, and potentially burned if you fire too fast for too long. The front of the slide also became very hot, and was not usable for gripping. However, the rear of the slide never exceeded a temperature beyond mildly above ambient tempuratures. Additionally, the slide release/stop continued to be very usable even when the gun was very hot. The frame and the rest of the gun showed no ill-effects from the heat. The carbon on the front of the polymer frame was hard to remove, and required a good deal of work. The trigger never became hot.

After shooting it, I had to clean it. I used the Roger's kit again for this. The action of the gun and all of the rest of the parts showed normal carbon build-up and were easy to clean, though the polymer frame required a bit more scrubbing to get the carbon off of various parts.

The barrel was another story. The Roger's Bore cleaning compound is an aggressive cleaner and I have never needed to do more than a single cycle of cleaning with the nylon bore brush (6 - 8 times brushed through the bore), a small wait time, and then a rinse and pull through of the Squeeg-E. On this barrel, I was seeing progress after three such cycles, but it was becoming abundantly clear the amount of gunk that was needing to be removed. I began introducing a bronze brush into the mixture to speed the process a bit, but this still required at least four or five more cycles that included more bronze brush work to get the barrel back to a mirror shine finish.


Conclusion:

I really like my Beretta APX, and I am now significantly more confident in it and my own "processes" than before. I have been unable to replicate or even find much evidence for me to worry much about some of the reported potential issues with the design or production of the APX, and I feel that I can now highly recommend it with little reservation.

[arcfide]

I didn't realize that I couldn't edit my posts after such a short period of time. Here's the correct video documentation link: https://youtu.be/jCcM48vYe4U

[SilentSc0rch]

- This pistol is the third Glock 19 that I've put through the 2000 round challenge and the first one to make it through without any problems. I really like this pistol.

I'm a little relieved to see it's not just me. My Gen3 19 didn't make it passed 1,100 rounds on both attempts at this challenge but my Gen5 19 has done it twice (minus me not seating the mag once).

[pangloss]

I'm a little relieved to see it's not just me. My Gen3 19 didn't make it passed 1,100 rounds on both attempts at this challenge but my Gen5 19 has done it twice (minus me not seating the mag once).

Congrats on getting through it twice with the same pistol! For this latest attempt, I swore off steel-cased ammo and only used Glock factory magazines. I can't remember for sure, but I think that I was the only person to fire the pistol during this last test.

[Zman001]

Gun, Walther PPQ M2, 9mm 4"
Gun was cleaned, and lubricated with TW25B immediately before the test began. Gun was stock, aside from the Trijicon HD night sights

Test occured from Nov. 28, 2017, to Dec. 22, 2017

Total rounds fired, 2,200

The gun was not cleaned once.

Ammo was mostly (1800 rounds) speer lawman 147gr, but i also shot 200 rounds of 147gr gold dot, and a mix of boxes (200 rounds total) of steel case ammo, wolf, tula, silver bear, and brown bear.

Stoppages, 1 (most likely ammo)
Malfunctions, 0
Breakages, 0

Initially, the plan was to shoot all lawman and some gold dot. The 1 stoppage happened around round 250. I was about 7 rounds into a factory mag, loaded with lawman. I shot the 8th round, it fired and ejected fine, and the recoil impulse felt ok, but it failed to pickup the 9th round. This was solved by running the action, where the 9th round fed, fired, and ejected fine. I was unable to reproduce this failure, and even went so far as to mix up the various types of steel case ammo and the brass case stuff.

[KneeShot]

Gen 5 Glock 17 w/ Trij HD's

25 April - 14 May

Ammo - 200 AE 124gn FMJ / 2,000+ish Dead On Ammo "DOA" remanufactured 124gn

Stoppages - 10'ish

All Stoppages were Failure to Feeds during slide lock reloads. Tapping the mag relieved all stoppages. All occurred w/ the reman ammo. No - I have not gauged it or measured the COAL.

Malfunctions - 0
Breakages -0

Bought, wiped down, lubed. Confirmed function w/ 200 AE.

The other 2,000 rounds were shot during a TPC course and the Hard As Hell 2gun match. Both of which took course in dry, dusty, 95 to 100 degree St. George, Utah weather.

No stoppages occurred during any sling shot reloads.

[Spectre044]

First time I have posted a 2000 round challenge.

Pistol: Glock 19x
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 150 rounds perfecta 9mm 115 gr, 150 rounds Winchester NATO 124 gr, 1200 rounds Winchester white box 115gr, 501 rounds angelfire reloads 115 gr
Dates of testing: March 28 - June 8
Total rounds fired: 2,001
Stoppages: 1
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

The angelfire reloads were donated by a friend. The only stoppage occurred with this ammo. One round failed to fire. It had a solid primer strike and would not fire in my glock 17 either so I don't count this against the 19x. This is my favorite glock that I own and I have complete confidence in it. I also shoot the 19x better than any other glock I own and this is backed up with a shot timer.

[Cypher]

Forgive me if this has already been addressed

Can someone tell me the purpose of the 2000 round challenge?

[Duelist]

Forgive me if this has already been addressed

Can someone tell me the purpose of the 2000 round challenge?

So we can see what guns don’t suck.

[ReverendMeat]

So we can see what guns don’t suck.

And in some cases, what lube doesn't suck

[Pistol Pete 10]

Why would you treat a firearm this way.

[TheNewbie]

Why would you treat a firearm this way.

See the answer above you, and the answer on page 42 by Tom Jones.

[Cypher]

See the answer above you, and the answer on page 42 by Tom Jones.

Thanks. I didn't want to dig through 42 pages for an answer that might not be there

[arcfide]

And in some cases, what lube doesn't suck

I'm actually beginning to suspect that much of this test is more dependent on lube and ammo combinations than I would have originally thought. Unfortunately, that's a hard couple of variables to test against without a lot of hard work and lots of ammo. At any rate, during normal operation, it seems clear to me that it's really hard to find a "stand out" lube that is demonstrably better than others, but it's pretty easy to find some really bad lubes. Similarly, there seems to be some ammo that is just downright dirty in ways I didn't appreciate until I shot really clean ammo.

[Pistol Pete 10]

See the answer above you, and the answer on page 42 by Tom Jones.

I read page 42. This is like driving your car 50,000 miles without any maintenance just to see if it would operate without maintenance. At the least you'll cause accelerated wear due to dirt and grime buildup.

[JAD]

I read page 42. This is like driving your car 50,000 miles without any maintenance just to see if it would operate without maintenance. At the least you'll cause accelerated wear due to dirt and grime buildup.
Oh no. I would hate to wear out a gun.

[cornstalker]

I read page 42. This is like driving your car 50,000 miles without any maintenance just to see if it would operate without maintenance. At the least you'll cause accelerated wear due to dirt and grime buildup.

If you only expect your sidearm to last around 8000 rounds, then that is a legit comparison. I was kind of thinking my guns would be good for 50,000 to 90,000 rounds.
That is also assuming that you expect your vehicle to go 200k.

[cornstalker]

This is the 2000 Round Challenge results thread.

If you guys want to start a thread to discuss the the perceived merits of, or lack of, for the 2000 Round Challenge itself, please feel free. However, do not continue that discussion here. Thank you.

Got it, Boss. Sorry.

[1986s4]

Well alright then...

[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: Springfield Range Officer 9mm

Caliber: 9x19mm

Ammunition:
Magtech 115 grain
PPU NATO 124 grain.
PPU NATO 115 grain
S&B 124 grain
115 grain Brown Bear
115 grain Wolf Poly
115 grain Wolf Laquer
Fed AE 147 grain
147 grain Speer Lawman
Speer Lawman 124 grain
Speer Lawman 115 grain
115 grain Fiocchi
MEN 9B 124 grain
Federal HST 147 grain
Winchester Ranger T 124+p

Dates of Testing: 2018

Total Rounds Fired: 2,013

Stoppages: ~25FTLBE much reduced with 14# spring.
3 FTFEED 2/3 with 2nd round of ten round mag. 2/3 with 147 grain ammo.
3 stovepipes 2/3 Wilson/Vickers 10 round mag.

See comments.

Malfunctions: ammunition related blockage of firing pin hole. See comments.

Breakages: zero

I got this gun to learn the 1911. Initially I didn’t like it but it grew on me throughout the 2000 rounds.

It is an accurate and easy to shoot gun. The first 1000 rounds were with the stock 9# recoil spring, the second 1000 rounds were with a 14# variable spring.

There were a lot of stoppages primarily failures to lock back. They were much more common with the 9# spring and weaker ammo.

Stoppage breakdown by spring:

9# spring:
18+failures to lock back on empty,
1 FTFeed Wilson 10 round second round.

14# variable spring:
4 failures to lock back on empty
-3 FTLB Metalform
-1 FTLB Mecgar
One FTFEED 147 Lawman second round.
1 FTLB stovepipe last round unknown mag.
2 stovepipe Wilson/Vickers 10 round mag
Nose dive FTF 147 HST/ Mecgar 2nd round.
Eight light strikes ammo caused.

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On my final range session, I grabbed a few boxes of the problematic PPU NATO 115 and 124 grain ammunition to get the round count up and burn the stuff up. Immediately I began to experience light strikes. This went on for 4-5 mags with the rounds firing with a second strike, then I went 100 rounds in about 2 minutes in frustration, just firing mag after mag until the stuff was gone. The gun was very dry and got quite hot, but no more stoppages. When I got home and disassembled the pistol, I found the firing pin hole obstructed by bits of primer and also noticed that the primers bulged in the cases. I am surprised this gun functioned at all and this is clearly ammo related. I can not recommend this ammunition in any way, shape or form except maybe for a PCC. It is over pressure.

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Avoid this stuff.

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Part of the fun of these tests for me is disassembling the gun at the end of them. The 1911 disassembles significantly differently from anything I have previously shot or worked on. Fortunately, it is a very clever design and easy to disassemble if you know a few tricks. Thank you YouTube. I would rate it as slightly harder than a Glock to get into this condition, but much easier than an HK, Sig or Beretta.

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After oiling, the action significantly smoothed out and the trigger now breaks right at 5lbs. I am going to work with it some more in a lubricated, broken in state with known good ammunition as I don't think the results of this test represent the true potential of the pistol.

Overall, I rate it as a keeper and a good example of the breed. I think stoppages could be minimized by being selective with magazines, and ammunition, and keeping it well lubricated.

[Clusterfrack]

Enel, I just reloaded a few 1000 rounds today using range pickup brass, and found a bunch of those PPU 9mm cases with bulged and protruding primers. Not good...

[holmes168]

Enel, I just reloaded a few 1000 rounds today using range pickup brass, and found a bunch of those PPU 9mm cases with bulged and protruding primers. Not good...

i went through a bunch of brass- some exact thing. I would not ever use the PPU.

[Robinson]

Enel, when I did the 2K challenge with a 9mm Loaded Target a few years ago I was using Metalform mags. I made it through the test just fine, but almost immediately after that several of the magazines started failing to lock the slide back on empty. I have not seen that with Wilson ETM mags.

[1986s4]

Enel,
I found the same thing regarding recoil spring weight with my .38 super. It often malfunctioned with weaker ammo and/or weaker recoil springs. My best function has come with 124gr. bullets at around 1100 to 1200 fps and a #15 Wilson flatwire spring. They make a #13 which I have for weaker ammo but I reload my own so I haven't needed it. Better accuracy and flawless reliability with mid-weight bullets and medium speed powder like VV N340 or Hodgdon CFE Pistol.

[spinmove_]

Pistol: Glock 19 Gen 4
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition:124 grain Geco, 124 grain Speer Lawman, 147 grain Speer Lawman, 124 grain Speer Gold Dot, 147 grain Speer Gold Dot
Dates of testing: January, 2018 to July 22nd, 2018
Total rounds fired: 2,021
Stoppages: 3
Malfunctions: zero
Breakages: zero

Comments:
This is my GSSF 2017 Amateur Civilian Prize. I installed an SCD, Pierce grip plug, minus connector, G17 Gen3 trigger bar, Dawson Charger FO front/blacked out rear sights, and a small strip of grip tape on the top of the slide in front of the rear sight. The 3 stoppages were FTFeed from a Magpul 17 rd PMAG. Removing it from rotation has precipitated in continued flawless operation. I have zero qualms with this pistol as far as function.

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[Francis]

Pistol: Glock 19 gen 2, Ameriglo Spartan NY1/-, G17 smooth face trigger bar
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition:


Aguila 124
American Eagle 147
Blazer Brass 124
Federal HST 147
Geco 124
PRVI 124
Remington 115
S&B 124
Speer Lawman 147


Dates of testing: Nov '17 - Aug '18
Total rounds fired: 2,044
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0
Magazines: Variety of Glock 19 and 17 round and MagPul 19 and 17 round

Comments: Several years ago when I first decided that I would carry Glock I purchased this pistol used off of Gunbroker. I got a gen 2 because gen 2 seemed to be the bees knees on a forum I frequented. It had an unknown round count but was in such barely used condition that the original Glock copper colored lubricant was still on it. My own round count before starting the 2K challenge is unknown. Prior to taking the challenge it had been through infrequent range sessions, a handful of IDPA practice sessions and matches and a couple of handgun classes, so guessing 1000 rounds. It was my carry pistol until I met P-F and vetted a gen 4. It is now my practice pistol.

Regarding the challenge, there is absolutely nothing to report. It has been predictably and boringly reliable, with not a hint of trouble (I'll take it). I'm going to extend its challenge another 1000 rounds to see what happens.

[DEG]

Pistol: HK P30 9mm that I purchased used as a V3 (DA/SA) with an unknown shooting history, but pretty much looked new inside and out.

I replaced the original light trigger return spring with a heavy one, installed a light firing pin block spring, an 11-pound hammer spring (Lazy Wolf Guns), and a used LEM kit I had in my parts bin, including a spurred LEM hammer. This pretty much made it into a "V0" as far as I understand. I installed Trijicon HDs, oiled it and started the test.

Ammunition: 124 grain Speer Lawman, 115 grain American Eagle, 115 grain Federal, and 124 grain reloads.
Dates of testing: 5/25/18 - 8/12/18
Total rounds fired: 2,001
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 1
Breakages: 0

Comments: The single malfunction was a failure of the slide to lock back on an empty magazine on 6/24/18 at around 850 rounds. I got lazy with my grip and was riding the release, so it was user induced. I dry fired it at least 2x the total rounds fired during those dates, so will likely change out the trigger return spring once I clean it. The only non-HK part that I used was the 11-pound hammer spring, and it worked fine with all ammo tested.

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[LockedBreech]

Pistol: HK P30 9mm that I purchased used as a V3 (DA/SA) with an unknown shooting history, but pretty much looked new inside and out.

I replaced the original light trigger return spring with a heavy one, installed a light firing pin block spring, an 11-pound hammer spring (Lazy Wolf Guns), and a used LEM kit I had in my parts bin, including a spurred LEM hammer. This pretty much made it into a "V0" as far as I understand. I installed Trijicon HDs, oiled it and started the test.

Ammunition: 124 grain Speer Lawman, 115 grain American Eagle, 115 grain Federal, and 124 grain reloads.
Dates of testing: 5/25/18 - 8/12/18
Total rounds fired: 2,001
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 1
Breakages: 0

Comments: The single malfunction was a failure of the slide to lock back on an empty magazine on 6/24/18 at around 850 rounds. I got lazy with my grip and was riding the release, so it was user induced. I dry fired it at least 2x the total rounds fired during those dates, so will likely change out the trigger return spring once I clean it. The only non-HK part that I used was the 11-pound hammer spring, and it worked fine with all ammo tested.

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I finally caved and ordered a P30V1 after reading ToddG’s 2010 stress test (which if I am not mistaken is the one actually cited on HK’s product page for the P30 now). Can’t beat that endorsement.


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[JAH 3rd]

DEG, thanks for posting pictures! I am going to put those Trijicon HDs on my USP full-size 45. I see they are going to look awesome.

[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: Springfield Range Officer Compact

Caliber: 9mm

Ammunition:
PPU 124 grain NATO
Federal HST 147 grain
Winchester Ranger T 124 +P
Federal American Eagle 147 grain
S&B 124 grain SB9B
MEN 9B 124 grain
Magtech 115 grain fmj
Wolf 115 grain FMJ mil Spec lacquer
Barnaul 115 grain white box lacquer
Wolf 115 grain Poly

Dates of testing: 2017-2018

Total rounds fired: 2094

Stoppages:

First 125 rounds before going back to Springfield Armory:
3 FTExtract
2 FTFeed from loading slide lock full mag
1 FTLB empty mag
4 Brass To Face

After going to Springfield, rounds 115-2094:
>20 Fail to Lock Back on Empty (FTLBE) these happened with Metalform 8 & 9 round magazines, Wilson 10 round, 9 round and Checkmate 8 round. They occurred more frequently as the test progressed.

4 light strikes due to firing pin hole being blocked by bits of primer from over pressure PPU NATO ammo. This is 100% bad ammo.

1 eject last live round out top end MEN 124 grain Mecgar 9 round. Sort of a WTF malfunction that never repeated.

>10 FTFeed when loading with slide release, these loaded with a slingshot technique.

>25 fail to completely go into battery when loading first round via slingshot. All went into battery with a tap to the back of the slide. This only happened with the first round from a full magazine.

5X dropped live rounds out bottom of magwell when swapping mags after loading 1 round out of a full 9 round magazine. In other words, I loaded a single round from a full 9 round mag and removed it to top the gun off to a full ten rounds by loading another full 9 rounder. When I pulled the first mag, the second round would eject. Mag issue more than gun issue.

1 FTFeed S&B 124 grain
1 FTFeed 147 grain HST
1 Stovepipe 124 grain Ranger T +P

The last three happened in the last 200 rounds.

Malfunctions: front sight hit 15 inches high from factory. Factory replaced it and after visit to SA, it was dead on at 25.

Breakages: front fiber optic fell out in the first 300 rounds. It was replaced and had no problems the rear of the test.

Comments: that is a heck of a lot of malfunctions, and you would think I would hate this gun. However, it was really delightful to shoot.

The vast majority of problems were FTLBEs and failures to go into battery when loading the first round (plus a few magazine weirdnesses). During the actual shooting cycle of fire, extract, eject and load, there were precious few, in fact, only three stoppages and those all happened when the gun was quite dirty and dry at the end of the test.

I am confident this gun will cycle after the first round is loaded until the magazine is empty. It may not lock back.

I am also sure with proper magazine vetting one could find several that work reliably.

Keep this gun clean and lubricated and it will make you happy.

It is too much drama for me. It was fun, but I am selling it off.

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[jellydonut]

While it is sad that you had this experience, it is good to have one more data point and further substantiation for the already well-established less-than-adequate reliability of short 1911s.

[LockedBreech]

Pistol: Springfield Range Officer Compact

Caliber: 9mm

Ammunition:
PPU 124 grain NATO
Federal HST 147 grain
Winchester Ranger T 124 +P
Federal American Eagle 147 grain
S&B 124 grain SB9B
MEN 9B 124 grain
Magtech 115 grain fmj
Wolf 115 grain FMJ mil Spec lacquer
Barnaul 115 grain white box lacquer
Wolf 115 grain Poly

Dates of testing: 2017-2018

Total rounds fired: 2094

Stoppages:

First 125 rounds before going back to Springfield Armory:
3 FTExtract
2 FTFeed from loading slide lock full mag
1 FTLB empty mag
4 Brass To Face

After going to Springfield, rounds 115-2094:
>20 Fail to Lock Back on Empty (FTLBE) these happened with Metalform 8 & 9 round magazines, Wilson 10 round, 9 round and Checkmate 8 round. They occurred more frequently as the test progressed.

4 light strikes due to firing pin hole being blocked by bits of primer from over pressure PPU NATO ammo. This is 100% bad ammo.

1 eject last live round out top end MEN 124 grain Mecgar 9 round. Sort of a WTF malfunction that never repeated.

>10 FTFeed when loading with slide release, these loaded with a slingshot technique.

>25 fail to completely go into battery when loading first round via slingshot. All went into battery with a tap to the back of the slide. This only happened with the first round from a full magazine.

5X dropped live rounds out bottom of magwell when swapping mags after loading 1 round out of a full 9 round magazine. In other words, I loaded a single round from a full 9 round mag and removed it to top the gun off to a full ten rounds by loading another full 9 rounder. When I pulled the first mag, the second round would eject. Mag issue more than gun issue.

1 FTFeed S&B 124 grain
1 FTFeed 147 grain HST
1 Stovepipe 124 grain Ranger T +P

The last three happened in the last 200 rounds.

Malfunctions: front sight hit 15 inches high from factory. Factory replaced it and after visit to SA, it was dead on at 25.

Breakages: front fiber optic fell out in the first 300 rounds. It was replaced and had no problems the rear of the test.

Comments: that is a heck of a lot of malfunctions, and you would think I would hate this gun. However, it was really delightful to shoot.

The vast majority of problems were FTLBEs and failures to go into battery when loading the first round (plus a few magazine weirdnesses). During the actual shooting cycle of fire, extract, eject and load, there were precious few, in fact, only three stoppages and those all happened when the gun was quite dirty and dry at the end of the test.

I am confident this gun will cycle after the first round is loaded until the magazine is empty. It may not lock back.

I am also sure with proper magazine vetting one could find several that work reliably.

Keep this gun clean and lubricated and it will make you happy.

It is too much drama for me. It was fun, but I am selling it off.

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As frustrating (and ultimately not fruitful) as this was for you, data points like this are so valuable for the shooting community writ large. Thank you for your time and ammo expenditure. Hopefully at the very least you were able to spend some good time honing your 1911 skills.


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[Bucky]

While it is sad that you had this experience, it is good to have one more data point and further substantiation for the already well-established less-than-adequate reliability of short 1911s.

Not to mention 9mm 1911s in general.

[Doc_Glock]

As frustrating (and ultimately not fruitful) as this was for you, data points like this are so valuable for the shooting community writ large. Thank you for your time and ammo expenditure. Hopefully at the very least you were able to spend some good time honing your 1911 skills.


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It actually wasn’t frustrating at all.

Stoppages that frustrate me occur mid magazine and without clear explanation. If I can tap a gun into battery when I load it and then shoot it dry over and over and over again as I did with this one, to me, it this a gun that wants to work. I even ran almost 400 rounds of various steel cased through it in one range session and it had zero bobbles from first to last round.

I really enjoyed the 9mm 1911 in general, I see their appeal now. I had a great time fully disassembling and cleaning it. This one just doesn’t respond well to neglect.

[Duelist]

It actually wasn’t frustrating at all.

Stoppages that frustrate me occur mid magazine and without clear explanation. If I can tap a gun into battery when I load it and then shoot it dry over and over and over again as I did with this one, to me, it this a gun that wants to work. I even ran almost 400 rounds of various steel cased through it in one range session and it had zero bobbles from first to last round.

I really enjoyed the 9mm 1911 in general, I see their appeal now. I had a great time fully disassembling and cleaning it. This one just doesn’t respond well to neglect.

What weight recoil spring does that gun have?

Reason I ask is, I was just looking at a Ruger 9mm 1911, and it had like a 10# recoil spring. Reviews say that's too light. Dunno. 1911 is not my thing, probably not going to get one.

[Doc_Glock]

What weight recoil spring does that gun have?

Reason I ask is, I was just looking at a Ruger 9mm 1911, and it had like a 10# recoil spring. Reviews say that's too light. Dunno. 1911 is not my thing, probably not going to get one.


I dont know the spring rate. It is whatever SA Puts in for a factory spring. Remember this is the Compact model and has a proprietary recoil spring set up of some sort. The full sized came with I think a 9# spring that I pretty rapidly replaced with a 14# variable spring per TLG’s recommendation in his Springfield endurance test. 14# variable worked fine in the big gun.

[victran]

Pistol: Glock 34 Gen3
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 1.5k Freedom Munition Steel Cased 9mm 115gr, 500 rounds Aguila 124gr NATO
Dates of testing: 7/18-8/18
Total rounds fired: 2032
Stoppages: 3
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:

Mods
Dawson Adjustable height fiber front, blacked rear
Griptape and some Ranger Bands on grip
RCS Freya
Lantac Polished Plunger, 6lbs ZEV trigger spring, 3.5 Ghost connector

stoppages from having a high grip in which the web of my hand stopped the slide from moving (Vogel style I guess).

Shot the gun during my first month of USPSA in Limited Minor (from concealment out of JM AIWB hoslters).

noticed that the top smaller pin drifted out during fire a number of times after high round cadences, I was the only able to do it after having other people shoot the gun some, determined by just shear gripping into the gun and locking it up. a drop of red loctite on each side of the pin solved the issue. (around 750 rounds in)

Gun only received 5 drops of M-Pro 7 prior to first shots after parts install.

Magazines: primarily Glock factory, KCI, Magpul, Glock Factory+TTI basepads

[MandoWookie]

Pistol: Glock G17 G4

Ammunition:
1100 Winchester Winclean 124gr
350 Federal Champion Aluminum 115 gr
300 Federal American Eagle 147gr & 115gr
240 Blazer Brass 115gr
200 Winchester NATO 124gr
150 Speer Lawman 147gr
40 Speer Gold Dot 147gr

Date of Testing: March 2018- August 2018

Total rounds Fired: 2,380

Stoppages:

1 Failure to Eject with WinClean 124gr, round stovepiped in ejection port.
1 Failure to Extract with WinClean 124gr, round also failed to fully cycle slide.
Note that both times, the rounds were perceptibly weaker than normal, with the second instance so much so that I stopped and checked for a bullet left in the barrel, as there had been no recoil and no noticeable report. No obstructions were found, and the rest of the magazine fired without issue.

WinClean in general has seemed to be relatively lightly loaded compared to other loads. I originally bought it because Luckygunner had it on sale, ending up with over 2,000 rounds of it. I generally like how clean it shoots, how little flash or smoke it has compared to cheap 115gr like Blazer Brass, and its recoil seems less snappy relative to other loads. However, at its regular price I doubt I will be buying more, as even though those are the only two malfunctions I have had, there have been other instances of inconsistent performance from it.

It should also be noted that I used the same two Magpul P-mags for the entirety of the test, though rarely loaded to full capacity, I had no problems with them at all. The orange followers are now black though.

[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: Ruger LCR 9mm

Caliber: 9mm

Ammunition: Wolf 115 grain Mil Spec
Barnaul 115 grain white box
Wolf 115 grain poly coat
Fiocchi 115 grain FMJ
S&B 115 grain FMJ SB9A
S&B 124 grain FMJ SB9B
Federal HST 147 grain
American Eagle 147 grain FMJ
Speer Lawman 147 grain FMJ
Speer Lawman 124 grain FMJ
Speer Lawman 115 grain FMJ
Winchester Ranger T +P 124 grain
Magtech 115 grain FMJ
Magtech 124 grain FMJ

Dates of testing: 8/2018

Total rounds fired: 2015

Stoppages: 5 light strikes on steel ammo, 1 light strike Speer Lawman 115 grain. All fired second strike.

Malfunctions: On round 1985 this happened:

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First the pivot pin fell out, then the cylinder release fell out. The gun still fired the last cylinder but I needed some tools to get the release and pin back in to open it. Took about 5 minutes to figure it out. Fired the last 30 rounds uneventfully.

Breakages: 0

It is a great, reliable revolver. I abused this gun heavily. Many times the cylinder was too hot to handle on reloads. Nearly perfect reliability. If I had checked screws for looseness more often it would have been a perfect run. It didn’t like Russian steel case but had no difficulty lighting off really hard S&B primers. I am unsure why it had a problem with the 115 grain Speer round, but that is the same ammo that gave my Langdon LTT 92 some fits.

I am unaware of any attempted 2k challenges with a revolver and had previously thought revolvers to be a bit fragile. My thoughts have been changed by this gun.

I found it to be extremely accurate when I did my part (which was not easy) and capable of printing 3-4" groups at 25 yards.

I am unsure what to do with it, as it does not really fit a carry niche for me and it is unpleasant to shoot. Thinking about getting a larger grip for it. But is is absolutely reliable.

Pros: Great ballistics, great reliability, light weight, reliable extraction and relatively quick reloads with moon clips
Cons: Snappy recoil, difficult but not impossible to shoot well, kinda big and possibly a little heavy for the pocket, low capacity.

[PX4 Storm Tracker]

Pistol: Ruger LCR 9mm

Caliber: 9mm

Great write-up!

How was the cylinder lock-up with the trigger held back, compared to before the test? Any shaving or spitting? Any loosening of front to back movement of the cylinder?

[Doc_Glock]

Great write-up!

How was the cylinder lock-up with the trigger held back, compared to before the test? Any shaving or spitting? Any loosening of front to back movement of the cylinder?

I am afraid I am not observant or knowledgeable enough about revolvers to comment. The gun has always felt a little loose to me. I don’t think it is any looser after 2k. And I have no idea what shaving or spitting means?

[PX4 Storm Tracker]

I am afraid I am not observant or knowledgeable enough about revolvers to comment. The gun has always felt a little loose to me. I don’t think it is any looser after 2k. And I have no idea what shaving or spitting means?


My apologies! Sometimes I forget how old I am. Back in the day that revolvers dominated the handgun world and terms like TDA or Striker were not around, there were problems common to some revolvers.

When a cylinder is locked in with the trigger forward, the cylinder stop is in the cylinder stop notch with some movement. If it is too tight, it might not engage when the cylinder is spun quickly. So, it will be loose. When the trigger is held back in the firing position the pawl has rotated the cylinder and pushes against the ratchet of the extractor star to lock it in tightly. That’s how lock-up is tested.

Since the front of the cylinder needs a “gap” to allow its rotation, there is a bushing or spacer that holds it solidly on the crane from front to back movement. If worn, it will move too much and cause light strikes.

If the cylinder is not aligned correctly during firing it can “shave” a little lead or copper off of the bullet as it crosses the gap into the barrel’s forcing cone. A small quarter or half circle of lead or copper would indicate this.

If alignment is off, but not enough to shave, it will “spit” powder residue or tiny lead or copper pieces out, sometimes back at the shooter. Too large of a gap, or forward and backward free play of the cylinder can cause this.

[pangloss]

I am unaware of any attempted 2k challenges with a revolver and had previously thought revolvers to be a bit fragile. My thoughts have been changed by this gun.

I've read this entire thread over the years, and I definitely don't remember any revolvers. I don't shoot enough to put 2,000 rounds through a revolver in any sort of reasonable time frame, but I've been very curious how it would work out. Thanks very much for doing this.

[Doc_Glock]

My apologies! Sometimes I forget how old I am. Back in the day that revolvers dominated the handgun world and terms like TDA or Striker were not around, there were problems common to some revolvers.

When a cylinder is locked in with the trigger forward, the cylinder stop is in the cylinder stop notch with some movement. If it is too tight, it might not engage when the cylinder is spun quickly. So, it will be loose. When the trigger is held back in the firing position the pawl has rotated the cylinder and pushes against the ratchet of the extractor star to lock it in tightly. That’s how lock-up is tested.

Since the front of the cylinder needs a “gap” to allow its rotation, there is a bushing or spacer that holds it solidly on the crane from front to back movement. If worn, it will move too much and cause light strikes.

If the cylinder is not aligned correctly during firing it can “shave” a little lead or copper off of the bullet as it crosses the gap into the barrel’s forcing cone. A small quarter or half circle of lead or copper would indicate this.

If alignment is off, but not enough to shave, it will “spit” powder residue or tiny lead or copper pieces out, sometimes back at the shooter. Too large of a gap, or forward and backward free play of the cylinder can cause this.

Wow. Thanks for that education. I am supremely ignorant of how this thing works mechanically. I didn’t know til you asked that the cylinder actually moved forward a touch under trigger pull to lock it up. How cool!

In answer: the gap is minimal, closes to even more minimal, and it has not shaved or spat that I ever noticed while shooting.

[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: Beretta Langdon LTT Elite 92
Langdon trigger job, D spring.

Caliber: 9mm


Ammunition: Cumulative Ammo Types:
Speer Lawman 115 grain
S&B 124 grain SB9B
PPU 115 grain NATO A-355
Speer Lawman 147 grain
American Eagle 147 grain
Barnaul White box 115 grain
Wolf Poly 115 grain
Wolf Lacquer mil spec 115 grain
Brown Bear 115 grain
Silver Bear 115 grain
Magtech 115 grain
S&B 115 grain
Armscor 115 grain
Fiocchi 115 grain
MEN 124 grain


Dates of testing: 6-9/2018


Total rounds fired: 2905


Stoppages:

3 FTEject held slide open. Closed on empty round when I dropped mag Speer Lawman 115
1 Stovepipe Speer Lawman 115 grain.

2 FTLBE last 300 rounds.


Malfunctions:0


Breakages:0

The LTT Elite pistol was generally a delight to shoot. I consider it very reliable and accurate, however, around the 800 round mark it choked four times, all on Speer Lawman 115 grain ammunition. I ran it another 2000 rounds after that with different ammunition and had no problems. It would be interesting to re try the Speer 115 grain after this break in to see if it is still problematic.

Toward the end of the test it failed to lock back once in an old surplus mag, and once on a fresh 18 round Mecgar. No oil in 2900 rounds is probably the culprit.

[arcticlightfighter]

Pistol: Ruger LCR 9mm

Caliber: 9mm

Ammunition: Wolf 115 grain Mil Spec
Barnaul 115 grain white box
Wolf 115 grain poly coat
Fiocchi 115 grain FMJ
S&B 115 grain FMJ SB9A
S&B 124 grain FMJ SB9B
Federal HST 147 grain
American Eagle 147 grain FMJ
Speer Lawman 147 grain FMJ
Speer Lawman 124 grain FMJ
Speer Lawman 115 grain FMJ
Winchester Ranger T +P 124 grain
Magtech 115 grain FMJ
Magtech 124 grain FMJ

Dates of testing: 8/2018

Total rounds fired: 2015

Stoppages: 5 light strikes on steel ammo, 1 light strike Speer Lawman 115 grain. All fired second strike.

Malfunctions: On round 1985 this happened:

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First the pivot pin fell out, then the cylinder release fell out. The gun still fired the last cylinder but I needed some tools to get the release and pin back in to open it. Took about 5 minutes to figure it out. Fired the last 30 rounds uneventfully.

Breakages: 0

It is a great, reliable revolver. I abused this gun heavily. Many times the cylinder was too hot to handle on reloads. Nearly perfect reliability. If I had checked screws for looseness more often it would have been a perfect run. It didn’t like Russian steel case but had no difficulty lighting off really hard S&B primers. I am unsure why it had a problem with the 115 grain Speer round, but that is the same ammo that gave my Langdon LTT 92 some fits.

I am unaware of any attempted 2k challenges with a revolver and had previously thought revolvers to be a bit fragile. My thoughts have been changed by this gun.

I found it to be extremely accurate when I did my part (which was not easy) and capable of printing 3-4" groups at 25 yards.

I am unsure what to do with it, as it does not really fit a carry niche for me and it is unpleasant to shoot. Thinking about getting a larger grip for it. But is is absolutely reliable.

Pros: Great ballistics, great reliability, light weight, reliable extraction and relatively quick reloads with moon clips
Cons: Snappy recoil, difficult but not impossible to shoot well, kinda big and possibly a little heavy for the pocket, low capacity.

This happened to my 9mm LCR but I caught it before it came out completely. Blue locktite andir wa GTG.

Kept my .357 LCR and traded my 9mm LCR for a G26 9mm

Great review ! These little revolvers are solid!

[lamarbrog]

Pistol: CZ 75 Compact
Caliber: 9mm Luger
Ammunition: S&B 115gr FMJ, PPU 124gr JHP, CBC 115gr FMJ, SIG 147gr V-Crown JHP.
Dates of testing: 31 August 2018 - 09 September 2018
Total rounds fired: 2100
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:

Purchased the pistol brand new on August 31. It has a test fire date of 10 July 2018. I installed VZ “Frag” grips on it, applied a few drops of RemOil to the barrel and slide rails, and within 10 days fired 2000 rounds of S&B 115grain FMJ, 5 rounds of SIG Elite Performance 147gr V-Crown, 50 rounds of PPU 124gr JHP, and 45 rounds of CBC (MagTech) 115gr FMJ. A total of 2100 rounds, flawlessly.

Not really much to say. It runs.

[1986s4]

Pistol: CZ 75 Compact
Caliber: 9mm Luger
Ammunition: S&B 115gr FMJ, PPU 124gr JHP, CBC 115gr FMJ, SIG 147gr V-Crown JHP.
Dates of testing: 31 August 2018 - 09 September 2018
Total rounds fired: 2100
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:

Purchased the pistol brand new on August 31. It has a test fire date of 10 July 2018. I installed VZ “Frag” grips on it, applied a few drops of RemOil to the barrel and slide rails, and within 10 days fired 2000 rounds of S&B 115grain FMJ, 5 rounds of SIG Elite Performance 147gr V-Crown, 50 rounds of PPU 124gr JHP, and 45 rounds of CBC (MagTech) 115gr FMJ. A total of 2100 rounds, flawlessly.

Not really much to say. It runs.

Is this the all steel compact? If so do you or will you carry it? I always liked that model.

[lamarbrog]

Is this the all steel compact? If so do you or will you carry it? I always liked that model.

Yes. This is the all steel compact with safety. I carry it IWB with a Triple T holster. It’s heavy, so a good quality rigid pistol belt is important.

[jeffhughes]

Pistols--G26.5, G17.5
Caliber-- 9mm
ammo--HST 147g and 124g+P, Lawman 147g, Am Eagle 147g, Angel Fire 147g powder puff(similar amounts of each)
total--2500+/ea
stops/malfs/breaks--0

Good to go. Love the aftermarket support compared to CZs....

[Zman001]

Gun, G19x
Date, August 22-August 30
Round count 2100
Ammo, speer lawman 147, speer gold dot 147, MEN 124gr, brown bear, tula, wolf, winchester forged, all 115gr, IMI die cut.
Stoppages, 0
Malfunctions, 0
Breakages, 0

The gun was not fired prior to the test. I did remove the factory grease, and lubricated it with TW-25b.

[sandy11B3V5W]

Pistol: Glock 17 Gen 3 (2 pin made in late 2000)
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: 115 grain Federal Range Target Practice, 124 grain +p Speer Gold Dot, 115 grain +p+ Federal (9bple)
Magazines: all Magpul (3 were 22 round and 8 were 17 round)
Dates: 3/10/18 - 9/22/18
Rounds: 2,350
Stoppages: 7 (all failure to get slide lock using 17 round Magpul magazines and Federal practice ammo)
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments:
This is my main practice pistol. I bought 2 cases of the Federal range target practice ammo at the beginning of the year. I had some 9bple on hand that I used to carry and I shot up the remaining 200 of those. I bought a case of Speer Gold Dot to carry and have fired 150 of that.

All the stoppages were caused by my grip interfering with the slide release lever. 3 of them were during one session when I was wearing gloves. I have not had a stoppage in over 1,200 rounds now. So, hopefully that means my grip technique and consistency has improved.

[vaspence]

Pistol: Sig P365
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition:
Federal Brass 115 FMJ 1560 rounds
Federal Alum 115 FMJ 278 rounds
CCI Brass 124 FMJ 40 rounds
Federal HST 147+P 90 rounds
Federal HST 124 26 rounds
Speer Gold Dot 115+P+ 10 rounds
Speer Gold Dot 124 2 rounds
Dates of testing: 7/10/18 - 10/1/18
Total Rounds Fired: 2006
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Notes: The pistol has run fine for me. The last 20 rounds fired to reach the current total were 147+P HST.

[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: Walther P99AS

Caliber: 9mm

Ammunition: Federal HST 147 grain JHP
Magtech 124 grain FMJ
Armscor 115 grain FMJ
S&B 115 grain FMJ SB9A
Barnaul white box 115 grain steel FMJ
Wolf Mil Spec 115 grain lacquer steel FMJ
Silver Bear 115 grain zinc steel FMJ
Brown Bear 115 grain lacquer steel FMJ
Magtech 115 grain FMJ
Fiocchi 115 grain FMJ
Speer Lawman 124 grain FMJ
PPU 115 grain
Winchester Ranger T 124+p JHP

Dates of testing: 9/2018

Total rounds fired: 2052

Stoppages:
9 fail to lock back on empty. Possibly user induced.
1 failure to feed 147 grain AE hit feed ramp.
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Malfunctions:

Breakages: front sight loosened and needed to be tightened.

User errors:
1 failure to decock after admin reload
1 failure to decock empty
1 failure to decock admin reload.

This gun is the closest thing to a TDA Glock 19 I have found. Extremely nice and fast trigger. I really liked it. By the end of the test my enthusiasm has waned a bit and I don’t see anything compelling about it over a G19 except that it can be fully decocked.

Many novice shooters love this thing. It’s striker trigger is as good as a PPQ in SA (very good) and decent in DA 8/4.5 lbs.

It was pretty reliable except for some failures to lock back which were either me hitting the release or weak ammo.

It can be stripped about 9/10s as easy as a Glock.

Recommended if you want a reliable striker fired DA/SA pistol that otherwise shoots like a Glock 19 aside from grip angle.

[revchuck38]

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This gun is the closest thing to a TDA Glock 19 I have found.

That's why I bought my 99C - I wanted a TDA G26 that wasn't a Glock. I'm pretty happy with it.

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[thward89]

Pistol: HK P30 V4.1
Ammunition: WWB 124 gr. nato, Sig Sauer 115 gr., Speer Gold Dot 124 gr, Atlanta Arms 115 gr.
Rounds fired: 2,100
Date: 9/4/18-10/6/18
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Modifications: V4.1 kit installed

Notes:
As expected, the P30 performed flawlessly throughout the test. I wanted to pick a pistol that would force me to focus on trigger control because I had plateaued with SF pistols. After spending time with the P30 and scoring higher on various tests (HiTS Advanced Super Test, “The Test”, etc.), I think I will be sticking with the P30 for the foreseeable future. I have been extremely impressed with the platform overall and find the LEM trigger to work well for me.

[Crusader]

Colt M45a1 early 2016 ‘production’ model.

45 acp

Ammunition: my hand loads, 230, 200 gn plated round nose.

From 8-8-18 to 10-23-18

2030 rounds fired

Brackages-0
Malfunctions-0
Stoppages-7

Comments. Same two Wilson ETM and three Wilson 47d’s used for all rounds fired.
Five of the seven stoppages accrued during reloads, first round from a full eight round mag. All but two finished chambering with a mag slap. All stoppages were failures to completely chamber.
Toward the end of testing, last three hundred or so rounds started to experience some erratic ejecting with a few brass to the face.

All in all satisfied with the guns performance, first stoppage accrued at round number 511. This has always been my belief, after 400-500 rounds 1911s will need lube.
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[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: HK USP Compact Match LEM trigger

Caliber: 9mm

Ammunition: Cumulative ammo:
S&B 115 grain FMJ
S&B 124 grain FMJ
Armscor 115 grain FMJ
Magtech 115 grain FMJ
Magtech 124 grain FMJ
Speer Lawman 115 grain FMJ
Speer Lawman 124 grain FMJ
Speer Lawman 147 grain FMJ
Fiocchi 115 grain FMJ
Fiocchi 124 grain FMJ
PMC Bronze 115 FMJ
MEN 124 grain FMJ
Barnaul White Box 115 grain FMJ
Silver Bear 115 grain FMJ
Brown Bear 115 grain FMJ
Winchester 124 grain NATO FMJ
Federal American Eagle 147 grain FMJ
Federal American Eagle 115 grain FMJ

Dates of testing: 9-10/2018

Total rounds fired: 2008

Stoppages: One FTExtract Silver Bear 115 grain

Malfunctions: 0

Breakages: 0

This pistol ran like an HK. Sights perfectly regulated at 25 yards. One Fail to Extract steel case out of 300 rounds fired. Otherwise perfect function. I found it disagreeable to shoot, but that is my bias. It is a great gun, for someone else.

[TheNewbie]

Pistol: HK USP Compact Match LEM trigger

Caliber: 9mm

Ammunition: Cumulative ammo:
S&B 115 grain FMJ
S&B 124 grain FMJ
Armscor 115 grain FMJ
Magtech 115 grain FMJ
Magtech 124 grain FMJ
Speer Lawman 115 grain FMJ
Speer Lawman 124 grain FMJ
Speer Lawman 147 grain FMJ
Fiocchi 115 grain FMJ
Fiocchi 124 grain FMJ
PMC Bronze 115 FMJ
MEN 124 grain FMJ
Barnaul White Box 115 grain FMJ
Silver Bear 115 grain FMJ
Brown Bear 115 grain FMJ
Winchester 124 grain NATO FMJ
Federal American Eagle 147 grain FMJ
Federal American Eagle 115 grain FMJ

Dates of testing: 9-10/2018

Total rounds fired: 2008

Stoppages: One FTExtract Silver Bear 115 grain

Malfunctions: 0

Breakages: 0

This pistol ran like an HK. Sights perfectly regulated at 25 yards. One Fail to Extract steel case out of 300 rounds fired. Otherwise perfect function. I found it disagreeable to shoot, but that is my bias. It is a great gun, for someone else.

What do you mean by "disagreeable to shoot"?

The LEM was a ton of work for me.

[Doc_Glock]

What do you mean by "disagreeable to shoot"?

The LEM was a ton of work for me.

I guess I mean I suck with it. Of all the full sized and compact service pistol I have tested (around 20), I shot it the worst and would put it dead last in preference for pure shooting performance.

However, for carrying, it is perfectly sized and nice weight with reliability and presumed durability near top of the heap. Plus it has a great trigger for not shooting stuff.

It is sort of a love, hate thing, but mostly hate.

[Balisong]

I guess I mean I suck with it. Of all the full sized and compact service pistol I have tested (around 20), I shot it the worst and would put it dead last in preference for pure shooting performance.

However, for carrying, it is perfectly sized and nice weight with reliability and presumed durability near top of the heap. Plus it has a great trigger for not shooting stuff.

It is sort of a love, hate thing, but mostly hate.

Thanks for your input. I have one in .40 that I'm going to convert to the same match LEM configuration. I just need the hammer spring, have the rest of the parts. Plan on running that way for a while, but I go back and forth agonizing over whether to run it cocked and locked or LEM or TDA haha. But I appreciate the 2k challenge and personal preference info you provided.

[Doc_Glock]

Thanks for your input. I have one in .40 that I'm going to convert to the same match LEM configuration. I just need the hammer spring, have the rest of the parts. Plan on running that way for a while, but I go back and forth agonizing over whether to run it cocked and locked or LEM or TDA haha. But I appreciate the 2k challenge and personal preference info you provided.

I think the match LEM is the best trigger variant for this pistol.

[TheNewbie]

I guess I mean I suck with it. Of all the full sized and compact service pistol I have tested (around 20), I shot it the worst and would put it dead last in preference for pure shooting performance.

However, for carrying, it is perfectly sized and nice weight with reliability and presumed durability near top of the heap. Plus it has a great trigger for not shooting stuff.

It is sort of a love, hate thing, but mostly hate.

Yep I know how you feel. After around 600 rounds through the LEM my progress was so slow that I gave up.


It would be like working out for a year, focusing on improving one particular lift, and only adding 10 pounds to it. Not much progress at all.


In theory it's the perfect pistol for me, but in practice things did not work out so well.

[Robinson]

Colt M45a1 early 2016 ‘production’ model.

45 acp

Ammunition: my hand loads, 230, 200 gn plated round nose.

From 8-8-18 to 10-23-18

2030 rounds fired

Brackages-0
Malfunctions-0
Stoppages-7

Comments. Same two Wilson ETM and three Wilson 47d’s used for all rounds fired.
Five of the seven stoppages accrued during reloads, first round from a full eight round mag. All but two finished chambering with a mag slap. All stoppages were failures to completely chamber.
Toward the end of testing, last three hundred or so rounds started to experience some erratic ejecting with a few brass to the face.

All in all satisfied with the guns performance, first stoppage accrued at round number 511. This has always been my belief, after 400-500 rounds 1911s will need lube.


I agree the 1911 is more lubrication sensitive than some other types. I had a 1911 make it through the test with no failures, but I felt like I was really pushing it and expected a stoppage any time. Unless there is an issue specific to the gun, I don't necessarily view it as a big problem -- just something users need to be aware of.

[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: HK P30l Lite LEM

Caliber: 9mm

Ammunition: S&B 124 grain FMJ
S&B 124 grain FMJ NATO
Magtech 115 grain FMJ
Fiocchi 115 grain FMJ
S&B 115 grain FMJ
Armscor 115 grain FMJ
Wolf Mil Spec 115 grain FMJ
Barnaul white box 115 grain FMJ
Silver Bear 115 grain FMJ
Brown Bear 115 grain FMJ
Magtech 124 grain FMJ
Speer Lawman 115 grain FMJ
Speer Lawman 124 grain FMJ
MEN 124 grain FMJ NATO
Winchester 124 grain FMJ NATO
Speer Lawman 147 grain FMJ
Federal American Eagle 147 grain FMJ

Dates of testing: 10/2018

Total rounds fired: 2019

Stoppages: 3 FTLBE probably my thumb

3 stovepipes Wolf Mil Spec. Really weak ammo. It ran 342 rounds of steel without complaint including another 97 of the same Wolf.

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Not a stoppage, but I had two double clutch events at 5yd line when shooting fast.

Malfunctions: none

Breakages: none

It is a great gun with a difficult trigger. As with my other P30l, I had to hit HK up for a taller front sight (6.7)mm to keep from hitting high at 25.

[Balisong]

I've only shot my P30L a couple times, but have also had several FTLBE. With that gun I really like to get my thumbs high, so I'm pretty sure I'll try switching to the short slide release used with the safety models and see if that helps.

[Bucky]

I've only shot my P30L a couple times, but have also had several FTLBE. With that gun I really like to get my thumbs high, so I'm pretty sure I'll try switching to the short slide release used with the safety models and see if that helps.

I put the S model slide stop on mine, and fixed all FTLB issues.

[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: P30V3 DA/SA

Caliber: 9mm

Ammunition:
S&B 124 grain SB9B
PPU 124 grain NATO
Magtech 115 grain
Winchester 124 grain FMJ NATO
Speer Lawman 147 grain FMJ
Federal American Eagle 147 grain FMJ
S&B 115 grain FMJ SB9B
Armscor 115 grain FMJ
Fiocchi 115 grain FMJ
PMC 115 grain FMJ
Speer Lawman 115 grain FMJ
Silver Bear 115 grain FMJ
Brown Bear 115 grain FMJ
Barnaul White Box 115 grain FMJ
Wolf Mil Spec 115 grain FMJ
Men 124 grain FMJ
Speer Lawman 124 grain FMJ
Fiocchi 124 grain FMJ
Magtech 124 grain FMJ

Dates of testing: 10-11/201

Total rounds fired: 2140

Stoppages: Auto forwards constantly.
10 Fail To Lock Back Empty due to my thumb.
Hard primer Wolf Mil Spec 115 grain fired second strike.

Malfunctions: 0

Breakages: 0

This is my favorite DA/SA pistol to date. At the end of 2k I am not at all sick of shooting it like many prior guns.

Trigger mods: Light FPBS, light TRS, nickel plated sear spring, stock blue hammer spring

Trigger now 7.5/3.25#

Even after a lot of training, I still had occasional FTLBE due to long slide release levers. Will replace them with shorter levers in the near future. It also auto forwards on reload constantly like every P30 variant I have shot to date.

If you are interested in a plastic TDA type pistol I can’t recommend it highly enough.

[Tamara]

Pistol: Smith & Wesson Model 5906
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: 600 rounds of TulAmmo 115gr FMJ, assorted other FMJ to include Blazer Brass, Win NATO, Federal Brass, MagTech, S&B. 50rds 124gr HST, 25rd Golden Saber 124+P, 25rd Critical Defense
Dates of testing: 20 April 2018 - 19 May 2018
Total rounds fired: 2000
Stoppages: 1 TulAmmo primer wouldn't pop no matter how many times it was hit (https://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2018/05/heavy-is-good-heavy-is-reliable.html).
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments: This was a fairly well-scuffed trade-in at my LGS. It showed evidence of duty carry, an indeterminate amount of use, and there was a tiny divot knocked out of the edge of the hammer spur. I gave the gun a cursory cleaning (by which I mean I ran a bore snake through it a few times) and then glorped some Liberty Gun Lubricant down the slide rails and smeared some on the chamber hood and muzzle end of the barrel. Then I shot two thousand of the most boring rounds of ammunition I have ever fired, enlivened only by one crap Tula primer. Thanks, Ivan.

Do these things make weight for SSP? Asking for a friend.

[ncrockclimb]

Pistol: CZ P-09 with Pro Package installed by CGW

Caliber: 9mm

Ammunition:
S&B 124 grain FMJ
S&B 115 grain FMJ
Winchester 124 grain FMJ NATO

Dates of testing: 9/19/2018 to 10/25/2018

Total rounds fired: 2120

Stoppages: 0

Malfunctions: 0

Breakages: 0

At 2120 rounds I lubed rails and barrel, and have since put in another 1500 rounds. It is filthy, but it still runs like a G-Shock watch.

I have shot 7880 flawless rounds with this pistol since purchasing it in November 2017. Other than wishing it had more texture on the grip, I could not be happier with this pistol.

[1986s4]

I agree the 1911 is more lubrication sensitive than some other types. I had a 1911 make it through the test with no failures, but I felt like I was really pushing it and expected a stoppage any time. Unless there is an issue specific to the gun, I don't necessarily view it as a big problem -- just something users need to be aware of.
Agreed and my experience too. Before I put mine [Colt .38 Super] through it's first 2000 round test I figured out it liked to be well lubed. After watching a Larry Vickers you tube video where he actually submerged a DD AR 15 in motor oil then fired it successfully I decided I really couldn't over lube it within reason. So generous grease on the rails and barrel hood and Mobil 1 in other places. In addition, full power springs and no bunny fart loads.
But, if one takes a long time to do the test, as in months, the lube may dry out a little.

[Bucky]

But, if one takes a long time to do the test, as in months, the lube may dry out a little.

A good lube shouldn’t dry put over time. It shouldn’t “evaporate”.

[1986s4]

A good lube shouldn’t dry put over time. It shouldn’t “evaporate”.

Pretty sure I didn't say "evaporate". Even good lube will dry out a little, or maybe it just mixes with carbon, dust, unburnt powder, heat, etc. It gets thick when exposed to the elements and doesn't move as freely. I can only relate what I experienced and the quality lube I use was definitely not as loose and slippery as it was when I started. In fact, Frog lube became a sticky paste over time.

[Bucky]

Pretty sure I didn't say "evaporate". Even good lube will dry out a little, or maybe it just mixes with carbon, dust, unburnt powder, heat, etc. It gets thick when exposed to the elements and doesn't move as freely. I can only relate what I experienced and the quality lube I use was definitely not as loose and slippery as it was when I started. In fact, Frog lube became a sticky paste over time.

I use Firepower FP10. I've not noticed any change over time with the gun sitting. YMMV :)

[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: HK P2000 V3

Caliber: 9mm

Ammunition: S&B 124 grain FMJ
S&B 124 grain NATO
Magtech 124 grain FMJ
Lawman 124 grain FMJ
S&B 115 grain FMJ
PMC 115 grain FMJ
Fiocchi 115 grain FMJ
Magtech 115 grain FMJ
Speer Lawman 115 grain FMJ
Federal American Eagle 115 grain FMJ
Armscor 115 grain FMJ
Silver Bear 115 grain FMJ
Brown Bear 115 grain FMJ
Wolf Mil Spec 115 grain FMJ
Barnaul White Box 115 grain FMJ
Fiocchi 124 grain FMJ
Winchester 124 grain FMJ NATO
Men 124 grain FMJ
American Eagle 147 grain FMJ
Speer Lawman 147 grain FMJ

Dates of testing: 11-12/2018

Total rounds fired: 2116

Stoppages: 9. 8 light strikes, 1 failure to return to battery.

Malfunctions: 0

Breakages: 0

I replaced this pistol’s hammer spring with an 11# spring to get the trigger pull to 8/4# from a stock 9/4.5#

It ran great until I ran some ammo with harder primers. I put the stock spring back in and ran 150 rounds of steel at the end of the test to see if it made a difference.

8 total hard primers/light strikes:
11# hammer spring:
6X Barnaul White Box,
1x MEN 124 grain.

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12# stock hammer spring:
1X Wolf Mil Spec

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7 of the light hits were DA pulls, 1 SA. All fired on second strike.

With steel ammunition, here is the failure rate for the springs:
6/200 with 11# spring.
1/150 with 12# spring.

Best to stick wit the stock spring and accept the heavier DA.

The FTRB incident happened with Winchester NATO 124 ammo and I a prepared to blame the ammo because: Winchester. That round chambered the second time and fired.

Not as reliable as I expected or hoped for from this particular HK. Started strong and problems came up at 1200 round mark.

Otherwise a very accurate and pleasant to shoot gun. I may check the firing pin channel to see if it is gunned up.

[Balisong]

That's quite the HK kick you're on Enel. Why is that out of curiosity? I am too, trying to settle on what will be my EDC.

In either case I appreciate all your data points.

[Doc_Glock]

That's quite the HK kick you're on Enel. Why is that out of curiosity? I am too, trying to settle on what will be my EDC.

In either case I appreciate all your data points.

I discuss it in my training journal. In short I like HK’s. Especially DA/SA HKs of the “P” family.

But I carry Glocks and probably always will.

[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: Glock 19X

Caliber: 9mm

Ammunition: PPU NATO 124 grain FMJ
Magtech 124 grain FMJ
S&B 115 grain FMJ
American Eagle 124 grain FMJ
American Eagle 115 grain FMJ
Armscor 115 grain FMJ
Speer Lawman 115 grain FMJ
Fiocchi 115 grain FMJ
PMC Bronze 115 grain FMJ
Magtech 115 grain FMJ
Wolf Mil Spec 115 FMJ
Silver Bear 115 grain FMJ
Barnaul White Box 115 grain FMJ
Brown Bear 115 grain FMJ
American Eagle 147 grain FMJ
Speer Lawman 147 grain FMJ
Fiocchi 124 grain FMJ
Winchester NATO 124 grain FMJ
S&B 124 grain FMJ

Dates of testing: 11-12/2018

Total rounds fired: 2221

Stoppages: 1

Malfunctions: 0

Breakages: 0

Fabulous gun. I set several personal records on marksmanship oriented tasks.

The only stoppage was a hard primer on Wolf Mil Spec that fired second strike. The other 99 rounds fired fine as did the other 300 rounds of other steel cases ammo.

[LockedBreech]

Pistol: Glock 19X

Caliber: 9mm

Ammunition: PPU NATO 124 grain FMJ
Magtech 124 grain FMJ
S&B 115 grain FMJ
American Eagle 124 grain FMJ
American Eagle 115 grain FMJ
Armscor 115 grain FMJ
Speer Lawman 115 grain FMJ
Fiocchi 115 grain FMJ
PMC Bronze 115 grain FMJ
Magtech 115 grain FMJ
Wolf Mil Spec 115 FMJ
Silver Bear 115 grain FMJ
Barnaul White Box 115 grain FMJ
Brown Bear 115 grain FMJ
American Eagle 147 grain FMJ
Speer Lawman 147 grain FMJ
Fiocchi 124 grain FMJ
Winchester NATO 124 grain FMJ
S&B 124 grain FMJ

Dates of testing: 11-12/2018

Total rounds fired: 2221

Stoppages: 1

Malfunctions: 0

Breakages: 0

Fabulous gun. I set several personal records on marksmanship oriented tasks.

The only stoppage was a hard primer on Wolf Mil Spec that fired second strike. The other 99 rounds fired fine as did the other 300 rounds of other steel cases ammo.

That is a truly impressive test with that kind of variety. Probably safe to say the 19X is squared away.


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[SilentSc0rch]

Just finished up with my 19X FrankenGlock. Details below.

Model: Glock 19X
Frame Mods: grip cut to 19 length and stippled including index points and bottom of trigger guard
Slide Mods: ATEi RMR cut, slide serrations, and refinish
Sights: Trijicon RM06 Type 2, Ameriglo black suppressor sights
Light: Streamlight TLR-7
Trigger: Overwatch Precision TAC

The final round count was 2,003. The ammo was mostly Federal 115 brass with a little bit of Winchester White Box mixed in.

Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Notes: the trigger was feeling a little dirty towards the end, most likely due to fouling (visible in photo). Starting at about 800 rounds, softly press checking wouldn't send the gun back into battery, but then the action smoothed out again at around 1,000.


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Maintenance notes: after detail stripping the gun and fully cleaning and lubing it, the wear patterns were interesting. Since the slide was refinished after the milling work, the wear on the barrel didn't seem quite as extreme (still very noticeable) as the wear on my factory finished Gen 5 barrel/slide combo. Also, I feel the Glock earned itself a custom slide plate.

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[Tamara]

Pistol: Ruger P-89
Caliber: 9x19mm
Ammunition: 800 rounds of MagTech 124gr FMJ, 550 124gr Blazer Brass FMJ, assorted other FML to include Remington, Federal, Sig Elite, S&B. Also some Sig V-Crown
Dates of testing: 13 November 2018 - 2 January 2019
Total rounds fired: 2000
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Comments: Lubed with FP-10 before starting. Visible FP-10 still weeping from rails today. Awkward to shoot. Crazy reach to trigger for DA first shot. Vague single-action trigger. Massive slide reciprocating that far above where your grip stops on the light aluminum frame makes it like shooting a Shake Weight. Vague sights, with a tiny front that dirtied fast.

Initial range trips produced laughable attempts at "speed"...

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Three and four round strings struggling to dip much below .5 splits and spraying bullets everywhere...

Two months later, big goofy mag dumps dipping into the low .3 range show that, even with a difficult pistol to shoot well, one of the easiest performance modifications is two cases of ammo...

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[JAH 3rd]

A few years ago I read where Ruger was going to discontinue the P-series pistols. Bought a P-90 new, the last one in stock at the retailer. The only reason I bought it was that it was discontinued. Well it is clunky, not very ergonomic, low capacity for size, and no aftermarket support. I don't regret buying it but I do see its shortcomings. Of course when the P-series were designed the handgun world was much different then compared to today. I don't plan to sell it, but I don't shoot it very much.

[Tamara]

A few years ago I read where Ruger was going to discontinue the P-series pistols. Bought a P-90 new, the last one in stock at the retailer. The only reason I bought it was that it was discontinued. Well it is clunky, not very ergonomic, low capacity for size, and no aftermarket support. I don't regret buying it but I do see its shortcomings. Of course when the P-series were designed the handgun world was much different then compared to today. I don't plan to sell it, but I don't shoot it very much.

So, how did it do in the 2,000-round challenge?

[Drang]

The $200 2,000-round Challenge

So you spent more on ammo than on the gun...

[JAH 3rd]

So, how did it do in the 2,000-round challenge?

Oh, I haven't done the challenge. Doubt I will on this pistol. I enjoyed your review on the Ruger!

[JAH 3rd]

After reading Tamara's post on the P-89, I dusted off the Ruger P-90 today. I shot 137 rounds of Remington Golden Saber 230gr JHP and 64 rounds of PMC 230gr ball ammo. The pistol functioned 100%. Ejection was consistent with a pile of brass around 3:30 and about 12 feet away. This pistol is definitely old school. I had recently changed out the magazine springs with +10% Wolff springs. The reason was that my two newest mags (go figure) had problems retaining rounds. Occasionally a round would slip forward out of the mag. The Wolff springs solved that problem. I decided to change out the springs in all 8 magazines since it was cheaper per spring to order a 10 pack. So today was a good day!

[Doc_Glock]

Pistol: Glock 45

Caliber: 9mm

Ammunition:
S&B 115 grain FMJ
PPU 115 grain FMJ
Blazer Brass 124 grain FMJ
Tul Ammo 115 grain FMJ
Magtech 115 grain FMJ
Armscor 115 grain FMJ
Fiocchi 115 grain FMJ
Speer Lawman 115 grain FMJ
Magtech 124 grain FMJ
Men 124 grain FMJ
Winchester NATO 124 grain FMJ
S&B 124 grain FMJ SB9B
Speer Lawman 124 grain FMJ
Fiocchi 124 grain FMJ
Speer Lawman 147 grain FMJ
American Eagle 147 grain FMJ
Barnaul white box 115 grain FMJ
Wolf Mil Spec 115 grain FMJ
Brown Bear 115 grain FMJ
Silver Bear 115 grain FMJ

Dates of testing: 1/2019

Total rounds fired: 2408

Stoppages:
First 2000 rounds:
-1 FTLBE PPU 115 probably my thumb.
Last 425 rounds with steel cased ammo
-1 short stroke fail to load
-1 feedramp stoppage mid mag.
-3 unlit primers that fired second strike.
-1 feed ramp stoppage loading from slidelock

Malfunctions: 0

Breakages: 0


Comments: I love this gun. Superb shooter and possible the best gun Glock makes right now.

The vast majority of Stoppages were due to crap steel ammo that was really under powered. I have stopped three HKs and two Glocks, and a couple Berettas with this stuff. I don’t count it against the gun at all. Essentially, with brass for 2000 rounds this gun was perfect except once I hit the slide release and it didn’t lock open.

[LockedBreech]

Pistol: Glock 45

Caliber: 9mm

Ammunition:
S&B 115 grain FMJ
PPU 115 grain FMJ
Blazer Brass 124 grain FMJ
Tul Ammo 115 grain FMJ
Magtech 115 grain FMJ
Armscor 115 grain FMJ
Fiocchi 115 grain FMJ
Speer Lawman 115 grain FMJ
Magtech 124 grain FMJ
Men 124 grain FMJ
Winchester NATO 124 grain FMJ
S&B 124 grain FMJ SB9B
Speer Lawman 124 grain FMJ
Fiocchi 124 grain FMJ
Speer Lawman 147 grain FMJ
American Eagle 147 grain FMJ
Barnaul white box 115 grain FMJ
Wolf Mil Spec 115 grain FMJ
Brown Bear 115 grain FMJ
Silver Bear 115 grain FMJ

Dates of testing: 1/2019

Total rounds fired: 2408

Stoppages:
First 2000 rounds:
-1 FTLBE PPU 115 probably my thumb.
Last 425 rounds with steel cased ammo
-1 short stroke fail to load
-1 feedramp stoppage mid mag.
-3 unlit primers that fired second strike.
-1 feed ramp stoppage loading from slidelock

Malfunctions: 0

Breakages: 0


Comments: I love this gun. Superb shooter and possible the best gun Glock makes right now.

The vast majority of Stoppages were due to crap steel ammo that was really under powered. I have stopped three HKs and two Glocks, and a couple Berettas with this stuff. I don’t count it against the gun at all. Essentially, with brass for 2000 rounds this gun was perfect except once I hit the slide release and it didn’t lock open.

I continue to appreciate the vast ammo variety in your 2000-round challenges. Very very impressive runs by your 19X and 45.

[usmc_k9_vet]

Hey all, somewhat new to the forum, but I'd like to get in on the 2000 round challenge. First up will be my current carry gun - the Beretta / Wilson Combat 92G Compact Carry. It now has 3,695 rounds through it and I just cleaned and lubed it up. All of this shooting will be done from concealment from a Milt Sparks Versa Max 2 and Milt Sparks magazine carrier.

Pistol: Beretta / Wilson Combat 92G CC
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: Sellier & Bellot 115 grain FMJ
Dates of testing: From now - TBD
Total rounds fired: TBD
Stoppages: TBD
Malfunctions: TBD
Breakages: TBD

Comments:

I will update as I go. I expect this will take me about a month to complete at the pace I have been shooting this gun. I do not foresee any issues, but time and round count will tell. Please let me know if you have any questions about the gun or anything at all and I am happy to answer to the best of my ability!

Thanks for looking.

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[usmc_k9_vet]

Pistol: Beretta Wilson 92G Compact Carry
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: All sorts of 115, 124, and 147 grain ammo. At least twelve types. What I can recall: PPU 115 gr normal and NATO, S&B 124 gr normal, and NATO, Winchester 124 gr NATO, MEN 124 gr NATO, Brown Bear 115 gr, Wolf WPA 115 gr, Speer Lawman 124 gr, 147 grain, AE 147 gr fmj, Magtech 115 gr, HST 147 gr standard pressure, Aguila 115 grain
Dates of testing: 8/2017-9/2017
Total rounds fired: 2,043
Modifications: Wilson Action Tune
Stoppages: 2, One failure to lock back on empty Mec-Gar 18 rd mag (115 Magtech toward end of test), 1 failure to fire which fired on second strike (Brown Bear 115 grain)
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Notes and Observations: I really like this beautiful little gun, and it runs like a sewing machine. I doubt either of the failures above are the fault of the firearm. I am unclear why it didn't lock back on empty other than the ammo is just weak. Only happened once. The second one is definitely ammo related. I have had the same lot of Brown Bear require a second strike in a M9A3 with full power springs. I would carry this gun with confidence. After 2k rounds, there was still lube on the rails, and the interior of the gun was not really that dirty.

It passes the 10-8 extractor test (for 1911s) handily.

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I am running the same test. Very nicely done and a great little gun. I fully expect to have similar results to yours!