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turbolag23
05-11-2011, 09:26 AM
here are the three i was looking into. i dont have much experience with any of these so i'll leave the comments vague.

http://www.ravenconcealmentsystems.com/thumbnail.php?path=images%2FACR%2C+OH%2C+Mid.JPG&width=100

Name: Raven Concealment Systems (RCS) - Appendix Carry Rig (ACR)
Cost:$99.99
Link to purchase: http://www.ravenconcealmentsystems.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=8&products_id=1588
Comments: I only tried this out for a couple days, its tuckable which is nice and has a support arm to balance some weight.


http://shop.customcarryconcepts.com/images/Shaggy,%20small.jpg

Name: Custom Carry Concepts (CCC) - Shaggy
Cost: $69.25-84.25
Link to purchase: http://shop.customcarryconcepts.com/Shaggy-AIWB-SHG.htm
Comments: recently ordered, no experience yet but I went with the comfort leather backing. Lots of reviews in this thread

http://www.caneandderby.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/500x500/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/c/d/cdi_appendix_rig_1_of_1_.jpg

Name: Cane and Derby (CDI) - Pardus Appendix
Cost: $85.00
Link to purchase: http://www.caneandderby.com/pardus-kydex-holster-appendix-rig.html
Comments: Todd is currently using this in his Gen4 test, there are some reviews in this thread.

JodyH
05-11-2011, 05:23 PM
Model: Dale Fricke Archangel AIWB
Price: $95
Contact info: http://www.dalefrickeholsters.com/
Comments: My favorite kydex AIWB holster. Been using one for nearly two years now and am completely satisfied.

P2000 holster shown here with my P2000Sk inserted:
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p82/JodyHuggins/skaa.jpg

Model: High Noon Hideaway w/clip
Price: $105 (horsehide)
Contact info: https://www.highnoonholsters.com/
Comments: My daily carry holster. In horsehide it's super thin and very comfortable despite being quite stiff. Makes my P2000Sk disappear yet still allows a full grip and a quick draw. The steel belt clip has a pronounced hook on the bottom which makes it as solid as belt loops in my experience.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p82/JodyHuggins/IMAG0010.jpghttp://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p82/JodyHuggins/IMAG0011.jpg

JodyH
05-11-2011, 05:36 PM
Model: Safariland 27
Price: $30
Contact Info: http://www.opticsplanet.net/safariland-model-27-selection.html
Comments: Cheap but functional. I hate the plastic J-hook, it places all the guns weight on the pants instead of the belt which makes it carry "heavy". the J-hook also has a tendency to pop out from under the belt.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p82/JodyHuggins/safari27.jpg

Model: Blackhawk Leather CQC IWB
Price: $65
Contact Info: http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Inside-the-Pants-Leather-Concealment,1151,1418.htm
Comments: The adjustable cant is great, the holster is well made and works great for AIWB. A much better choice than the Safariland 27 IMO. The leather is fairly soft though and probably won't stand up to years of hard daily use.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p82/JodyHuggins/p2k_bhiwb.jpg

phil_in_cs
05-12-2011, 09:26 AM
On the shaggy, I got mine originally with a belt clip rather than the kydex loop shown above. That caused problems sometimes when I sat and the holster would push up from my thigh, causing it to unclip. I got the kydex loop (all of $5 and very quick shipping) and that problem is solved.

Kyle Reese
06-07-2011, 12:39 PM
I just placed an order for the Dale Fricke Archangel for my G 17. Can't wait till it arrives.

fuse
06-07-2011, 06:12 PM
I just placed an order for the Dale Fricke Archangel for my G 17. Can't wait till it arrives.

I have had the archangel for a few days. Though its my first AIWB, (in my very limited experience) I think its decent.

Seems to be very comfortable

fuse
06-07-2011, 06:31 PM
I just placed an order for the Dale Fricke Archangel for my G 17. Can't wait till it arrives.

I have had the archangel for a few days. Though its my first AIWB, (in my very limited experience) I think its decent.

Seems to be very comfortable. Does not seem to conceal well, for me.

Though I am starting to think I will never be able to conceal a full size pistol, with my body. I am a bit above average height and rather scrawny.

The search continues I suppose.

The upside is that I can finally train AIWB with the archangel, and master the art of reholstering while unloaded (500 reps, anyone?) while I wait for the shaggy I ordered.

Thinking about giving the cane and Derby a whirl next..

Kyle Reese
06-07-2011, 07:48 PM
I have had the archangel for a few days. Though its my first AIWB, (in my very limited experience) I think its decent.

Seems to be very comfortable. Does not seem to conceal well, for me.

Though I am starting to think I will never be able to conceal a full size pistol, with my body. I am a bit above average height and rather scrawny.

The search continues I suppose.

The upside is that I can finally train AIWB with the archangel, and master the art of reholstering while unloaded (500 reps, anyone?) while I wait for the shaggy I ordered.

Thinking about giving the cane and Derby a whirl next..

I purchased mine as a stopgap solution, waiting for my Shaggy as well. :cool:

phil_in_cs
06-07-2011, 09:01 PM
After getting these pictures uploaded, I realized I need to retake the photos with a ruler.

L->R, Josh Kolbeson Texas Comfort, Archangel, Shaggy
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f346/Phil_in_CS/GunsAndZombies/003-11.jpg

The Kolbeson holster is very comfortable, and conceals pretty well. It is very high (why I need to redo the photos with a ruler) but does a good job. I recently did a 10 hour each way drive out to west Texas with it on, and hiked out there in 105+ temperatures. If a holster is comfortable for that, it is a comfortable holster.

details:
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f346/Phil_in_CS/GunsAndZombies/005-8.jpg
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f346/Phil_in_CS/GunsAndZombies/006-8.jpg
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f346/Phil_in_CS/GunsAndZombies/007-9.jpg

Super J
06-12-2011, 01:35 PM
Thanks for the pics. Great way to put them in perspective

Sherman A. House DDS
06-23-2011, 10:40 AM
I have a couple I use regularly...although my primary is the M&P

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Model: Texas Comfort AIWB by KOLBESON LEATHERWORKS
Price: $120
Contact Info: http://www.shopleatherworks.com/main.sc
Comments: GREAT rig! Rides a tiny bit higher than I'm used to, but the draw is smoking fast, and the design does a good job of bending it into the belly meat. HIGHLY recommended!

JV_
06-23-2011, 10:41 AM
I like the loop spacing & location on that holster, I'd like to try one sometime.

Sherman A. House DDS
06-23-2011, 11:04 AM
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This is just another picture of the Fricke Archangel that Jody mentioned above. I get alot of use out of this holster too...although less since I've been carrying the M&P regularly.

SLG
06-26-2011, 11:22 PM
Can any of you comment on the concealability of an Archangel compared to a Shaggy or Invictus? It doesn't look like it would do the job for a full size gun, but I've never even handled one, so I could be way off. How about draw speed and ease of reholstering? What do you think about having the mag release covered?

DocGKR
06-27-2011, 01:48 AM
SLG,

I use Fricke Seraphim (essentially an Archangel designed for use with pistols having a slide mounted RDS) holsters for AIWB/IWB carry of both G19/G17, as well full size M&P45's at the 1-3 o'clock positions. I find the Fricke holsters, along with the CCC Looper, to be about the perfect kydex holsters for my body morphology, pistol type, and concealed carry preferences.

phil_in_cs
06-27-2011, 06:20 AM
Can any of you comment on the concealability of an Archangel compared to a Shaggy or Invictus? It doesn't look like it would do the job for a full size gun, but I've never even handled one, so I could be way off. How about draw speed and ease of reholstering? What do you think about having the mag release covered?

The AA conceals well, maybe not quite as well but well enough. It is quite fast, and easy to reholster. As comparing the three (with my Kolbeson holster being very similar to the Invictus) I'd say the AA is the quickest of the three to draw, the easiest to reholster, and the worst at concealing.

Sherman A. House DDS
06-27-2011, 09:17 AM
My experience is similar to the others here. I have owned the Invictus, the CCC Shaggy and of course the Archangel and Kolbeson. Keeping in mind that holsters are like shoes...everyone's experience is different. The Invictus conceals well, about the same as the Shaggy for me. The rotation of the gun into the gut is helpful for concealment. But, for G19, G17 and G34 size guns, the Archangel does conceal well as the length of the pistol's slide provides ballast for the bulk of the grip.

As far as draw speed and ease of reholstering, NOTHING is as slick as the Archangel. I'd say that's where it really shines in terms of usability. I've also not found the mag release being covered to be an issue.

tmoore912
06-27-2011, 04:31 PM
Does the Kolbeson push the grip into the stomach because of the way the front loop is attached almost around the front of the holster? It does look like it rides higher than the Archangel and Shaggy. That could be an issue with some body types it seems. Somebody with a little stomach pudge might push that holster out over the belt causing it not to conceal well. I had a BladeTech that acted that way because it rode to high and didn't have enough length to keep it stable for a Kahr P9.

I've been carrying with a Dale Fricke Archangel for a little over 3 years now with 1911s and Glocks and they work well for me. I wish I could have some way to compare it to some of these other premium appendix holsters, but I have never been able to compel myself to wait around 3-6 months for a holster. It's one of my major faults. When I want it and have the ability to buy it, I want it now.:(

Archangel with G17

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/tmoore912/Holsters/AIWB/IMG_2102.jpg

Some side views. I have a 43 inch chest on a 5'10" frame, so it helps drape the shirt over the waistline and hide the gun.

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/tmoore912/Holsters/AIWB/IMG_2103.jpg

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/tmoore912/Holsters/AIWB/IMG_2104.jpg

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/tmoore912/Holsters/AIWB/IMG_2106.jpg

This is the Archangel with a G19

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/tmoore912/Holsters/IMG_0465.jpg

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/tmoore912/Holsters/IMG_0468.jpg

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/tmoore912/Holsters/IMG_0473.jpg

Isaac
06-27-2011, 06:12 PM
I have the kydex Kobleson AIWB in the mail, ill post a pic of it when I get it. In the meantime here is a Highnoon w/ straps.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/e33c8da6.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/IMG_1236.jpg

SLG
06-28-2011, 07:36 PM
Thanks for all the info. Sounds like the general consensus is that the AA is faster but less concealable than the Shaggy or Invictus, and equally comfortable for the right person.

Does the Archangel draw "faster" because of less retention, or less concealment (giving an easier grip)?

If anyone has an AA for a Glock or 1911 that they'd be willing to trade for a week or so for a Shaggy or an Invictus, I'd love to try one out. I'm just too cheap to drop $100 right now, when I already have some great AIWB holsters.

JodyH
06-28-2011, 11:39 PM
If anyone has an AA for a Glock or 1911 that they'd be willing to trade for a week or so for a Shaggy or an Invictus, I'd love to try one out. I'm just too cheap to drop $100 right now, when I already have some great AIWB holsters.
PM me and I'll send you my Glock AA to try out.

fuse
06-28-2011, 11:42 PM
Thanks for all the info. Sounds like the general consensus is that the AA is faster but less concealable than the Shaggy or Invictus, and equally comfortable for the right person.

Does the Archangel draw "faster" because of less retention, or less concealment (giving an easier grip)?

If anyone has an AA for a Glock or 1911 that they'd be willing to trade for a week or so for a Shaggy or an Invictus, I'd love to try one out. I'm just too cheap to drop $100 right now, when I already have some great AIWB holsters.

I think it draws faster due to less concealment. it is as they say, a trade-off. The retention is very positive.

I am game for a trade. I have an archangel for a G19 or 17.

I would love to try both the shaggy and the invictus, for a g17, if you can swing it. if you only have one to send, I'd prefer the shaggy. G19 for either will work as well.

PM me. This is going to be awesome.

fuse
06-28-2011, 11:42 PM
And jody beat me by 3 minutes.

KeeFus
06-29-2011, 06:53 AM
Looking @ all these holsters and the way they are carried is appealing to me. However, until the "Gadget" is made readily available on the commercial market I just don't see carrying the G-19 up front where the boys are in danger.

ToddG
06-29-2011, 08:23 AM
... I just don't see carrying the G-19 up front where the boys are in danger.

Don't worry, the position most people wear an aiwb doesn't have the muzzle pointed at your fun parts. Just your femoral artery.

Jac
06-29-2011, 10:41 AM
Don't worry, the position most people wear an aiwb doesn't have the muzzle pointed at your fun parts. Just your femoral artery.

Very comforting.

phil_in_cs
06-29-2011, 06:52 PM
Looking @ all these holsters and the way they are carried is appealing to me. However, until the "Gadget" is made readily available on the commercial market I just don't see carrying the G-19 up front where the boys are in danger.

I'm sure you've heard the expression "never holster in a hurry." The full meaning of that becomes clear as you work with AIWB holsters.

Isaac
06-30-2011, 09:44 AM
Anyone have a pic of a Kramer 1 1/2 on?

Chefdog
06-30-2011, 03:43 PM
A question for those of you who have the Fricke Archangel:
Would it be possible to add a hole above the front side loop allowing you to move the loop for both straight drop or a forward cant? It looks like it would work from pictures, but I figured I'd ask you guys who have hands on with one.
Thanks in advance.

tmoore912
06-30-2011, 08:03 PM
A question for those of you who have the Fricke Archangel:
Would it be possible to add a hole above the front side loop allowing you to move the loop for both straight drop or a forward cant? It looks like it would work from pictures, but I figured I'd ask you guys who have hands on with one.
Thanks in advance.

I would have to say no, because the screw is counter sunk into the Kydex on the inside of the holster. This is to keep the gun from coming in contact with the metal screw while being pushed into the holster. If you want a canted Kydex holster then just buy another holster. You could call Dale and ask him if he could customize one for you, but in my opinion holsters made to do multiple things are never good at either. JMHO.

Chefdog
07-01-2011, 07:44 AM
I would have to say no, because the screw is counter sunk into the Kydex on the inside of the holster. This is to keep the gun from coming in contact with the metal screw while being pushed into the holster. If you want a canted Kydex holster then just buy another holster. You could call Dale and ask him if he could customize one for you, but in my opinion holsters made to do multiple things are never good at either. JMHO.

Thanks tmoore, much appreciated.

Isaac
07-08-2011, 02:20 PM
Anyone have a pic of the Desbien #4 rear? or a link?

On the website's pic the orig #4 loops look styled like the Shaggy to push the butt of the gun into torso curve- is that right?

JDM
07-08-2011, 11:28 PM
I'm 5'9" 180#

The belt is 1 and 1/4 wilderness 5 stitch.

CCC looper:

http://tapatalk.com/mu/a6cd0905-da09-b919.jpg

Some photos of the Desbiens #4

http://tapatalk.com/mu/a6cd0905-d95e-f829.jpg

http://tapatalk.com/mu/a6cd0905-d974-0ab6.jpg





Here is the back of the DGL #4

http://tapatalk.com/mu/a6cd0905-d8ae-6b53.jpg

http://tapatalk.com/mu/a6cd0905-d8cf-9cc9.jpg




Let me know if you need any others.

The DGL hides better, but is slower. The leather also keeps the under shirt from untucking, which is nice.

VolGrad
07-09-2011, 07:19 AM
I posted these in another thread but figured everyone needed to see my belly so here they are again.

Here are a few pics of my C&D AIWB carrying a G19 and a Dale Fricke horizontal mag pouch.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd208/volgrad/guns%20and%20gear/a73aafac.jpg
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd208/volgrad/guns%20and%20gear/306f3d69.jpg
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd208/volgrad/guns%20and%20gear/d39542a8.jpg

Sorry you had to see my feet. I hate looking at people's feet.

Isaac
07-09-2011, 02:14 PM
Thanks BOM,

that sweat guard looks pretty ideal... reminds me a bit of Kramers, which ive always liked.

JDM
07-09-2011, 03:12 PM
Thanks BOM,

that sweat guard looks pretty ideal... reminds me a bit of Kramers, which ive always liked.

It's perfect. It doesn't stick up more then 1/16 of an inch above the end of the slide. Nothing to dig into your stomach.

Isaac
07-09-2011, 03:18 PM
Does it tuck in like the Shaggy idea? Looks like it with your model, but not so much with the Hardcore...

Isaac
07-09-2011, 03:27 PM
I also like how the sweat guard kinda curves around... that was a feature in the AA that I liked, I Think an extra aide in guiding the muzzle back into the holster is helpful with aiwb.

JDM
07-09-2011, 04:11 PM
Does it tuck in like the Shaggy idea? Looks like it with your model, but not so much with the Hardcore...

Never worn a shaggy so I couldn't offer a comparison, however it holds the gun very tight to the abdomen. Much more so then the looper. For me anyway.

EVP
07-09-2011, 09:18 PM
Disregard, question was answered.

pointfiveoh
07-16-2011, 06:47 PM
I have an older style Desbiens #4 that I have bubba'd up to work for me for now. I think I bought it at the recommendation of Dr. House on another forum. I'm switching to carrying an M&P9 Full size soon so I am shopping for a good AIWB holster for it. I have a big problem with the grip flagging way out and being a big block under my shirt. To solve that problem with my Desbiens, I added a spacer that is a stop gap measure until I can find a decent holster for the M&P.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ZVWdcpUAyz0/TiIiKIo_p2I/AAAAAAAAAgE/5IfiErUccI4/s640/SANY0014.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-mD6_FcBib3s/TiIiJ-YsBtI/AAAAAAAAAgA/7HC2ppSNviw/s640/SANY0015.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-RGgy6_SVJjs/TiIiJk0swcI/AAAAAAAAAf8/Drn98vobLeM/s640/SANY0016.JPG

dookie1481
07-17-2011, 01:38 AM
I'm still laughing, dude :D

Shellback
07-18-2011, 05:43 PM
Latest version of the Cane & Derby received today. G19 Gen 3.

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/4687/019zzz.jpg

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8945/020yt.jpg

Corvus
07-18-2011, 07:30 PM
Anyone have a pic of a Kramer 1 1/2 on?

I have 2 of those but no pictures of them right now to load up.

One is for a 5 inch 1911 and the other for Glock 17/22/31 models. The 1911 is easier to draw from , the Glock is harder to get a firing grip on the gun. It seems to sit a little lower than the 1911 holster.

Super J
07-18-2011, 08:58 PM
Latest version of the Cane & Derby received today. G19 Gen 3.

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/4687/019zzz.jpg

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8945/020yt.jpg


How do you like it? Do you have any other appendix holsters to compare it to?

I read in one of the forums (maybe this forum) that C&D was revamping their appendix rig so maybe this is one of the newer versions. I'm looking forward to your initial impressions and review.

Thanks
J

Shellback
07-19-2011, 04:35 PM
How do you like it? Do you have any other appendix holsters to compare it to?

Quality of craftsmanship is excellent and as good as any other kydex maker I've seen and used, RCS, CCC, SCW to name a few. I've only worn the holster for approximately 6 hours around the house thus far. Initial impressions so far are comforable, very secure and it conceals well for me. I still have to do a bit of playing around with positioning as I'm fairly new to AIWB but so far I think it's a winner.

The only other AIWB holster I've tried was the CCC Shaggy and it did not work for me at all in terms of comfort, it jabbed my stomach or thigh constantly so I sold it. However, after reading so many positives about the Shaggy my experience could be due to my lack of experience and experiementing with different positions.

At this point in time I'd be willing to give another Shaggy a go and do a little more experimenting to see how it stacks up for me against the CDI holster but not sure I'm ready for the wait again.

TwoSqueeze
07-20-2011, 03:19 PM
Here is my humble review of the CCC Shaggy, CDI Appendix, and the Dale Fricke Arch Angel. **I am in no way affiliated with any of these manufactures**

For reference I am 6'3'' / 210 lbs (small gut but narrow in the hips<---this will be important later)
All holsters have been worn for at the very least 6 hour car rides and carried extensively.

CCC Shaggy: http://shop.customcarryconcepts.com/main.sc / Currently not accepting orders.
Cost / Where to buy: $69.25 / http://shop.customcarryconcepts.com/Shaggy-AIWB-SHG.htm?productId=12
Gun Used: S&W M&P Fullsize 9mm
Customer Service: Great (This is a one man shop so emails take a little while to get answered, but the owner is a super nice guy and very open to customization. If you have any sort of problems with your gear he will make sure that you are taken care of.)
Fit and Finish: Outstanding (hardly / if any rough edges, gun locked up nice and tight but was still easy to draw)
Design / Concealment: One of the best for me (Slightly on the bulky side but this is because of the wedge which really tucks the butt of the gun into you, good concealment even with a t-shirt)
Ride Height / Adjust-ability: Just a hair low for me, I always dragged my second knuckle on my middle finger across the belt when trying to achieve a master grip. (This is a fixed ride height, regardless of which attachment you use: Rigid Kydex loop, leather loops or clip)
Sweat guard: Lowered enough to reach the mag release. This is important because carrying in this fasion I like to leave the gun in the holster whenever possible to limit the chance of shooting my boys off. This feature allows me to gas up the gun without having to remove it from the holster.
Notes: I really liked this holster. It fit my body type well and did a good job of concealment even with the extra bulk of the wedge. I only got rid of it because I got rid of my last M&P. Now he is not taking orders so I can't get one for my Glocks.

CDI Appendix Rig: http://www.caneandderby.com/
**Disclaimer: I had one of the older rigs, not sure what changes have been made but mine looked exactly like Irish's above**
Cost / Where to buy: $85.00 / http://www.caneandderby.com/concealed-carry-kydex-holsters/pardus-kydex-holsters/pardus-appendix-carry-kydex-holster/pardus-kydex-holster-appendix-rig.html
Gun Used: Glock 19 3rd Gen
Customer Service: Simply OUTSTANDING! (I have spoken with one of their salesman, Ian, a number of times and he always has time to listen and explain things. I believe that they are truly committed to making their gear the best that it absolutely can be. I no longer have their Appendix Rig because of the issues listed below but that was just because of my body type. I have loads of their standard gear now and cannot wait to see what they get going in the future)
Fit and Finish: Good (No rough edges, gun locked up nicely once in the pants and on the belt. Slightly looser lockup than the Shaggy or the Arch Angel in my sample of one)
Design / Concealment: Good (Instead of a one piece wrap around kydex design like the other two, this holster is a pancake design much like an RCS strongside hip holster. This spreads out the load and makes a thinner profile but in my case, with my narrow hips, it causes the holster to dig into my hip bone no matter were it is positioned on the belt. This is of course body specific. The bump near the muzzle on the interior of the holster really helps to push the but of the holster into the body, but it does not quite reach the effectiveness of that achieved by the Shaggy.)
Ride Height / Adjust-ability: Perfect in the middle holes for me. (This rig comes with bladetech loops and is predrilled with three sets of holes to provide adjust-ability in ride height and cant. Personally the ride height was perfect for me in the middle holes, finding that great balance between concelment and speed of draw.)
Sweat guard: About a half guard. Does not allow the mag release to be activated with the gun seated in the holster.
Notes: I really, really wanted to like this holster because of the companies customer service and the dedication they had to making it work for me. Ian even offered to take my input and make some changes to the holster so that it would work for me better. I did not go this route simply because I was still on the search for a holster that would work best for me "out of the box" as they say. So I sent this holster back and Ian fixed me up with an awesome strong side holster, mag carrier and flashlight carrier order. (review on those some other time)

Dale Fricke Arch Angel: http://www.dalefrickeholsters.com/contact.htm
Cost / Where to buy: $89.99 / http://www.onesourcetactical.com/archangelappendixcarryaiwbappendixinsidethewaistba nd.aspx
Gun Used: Glock 19 3rd Gen
Customer Service: Have not had to use it yet but have heard that it is absolutely top notch. Just go to his website and read his guarantee. I promise you will be impressed.
Fit and Finish: Best of the bunch (All edges smoothed out, uses slightly thicker kydex. Gun fits in there like a glove)
Design / Concelment: Very slick design ( The holster is less "detail" of the gun on the outside leading to a slightly more comfortable carry for me. It is really beautifull in its simplistic design. It carries great for me and conceals just as good as, if not better than the Shaggy. Warning: there is no "wedge" or "bubble" to help push the but of the gun into the meat of the stomach. This may be a problem for some. For me this was negated by how thin the design of the holster is.)
Ride Height / Adjust-ability: Ride hieght is perfect for me (there is no adjust-ability as for as ride height goes)
Sweat guard: Full with a wrap around at the top. Does not allow the activation of the mag release. I love this sweat guard as it keeps my gut from pressing into the side of the rear sight and causing irritation.
Notes: This seems to be the holster that I have settled on (at least for the Glock platform). I was wary of this holster because of the simple design by I have come to realize the genius behind the simplicity.

ETA: Pics of Arch Angel holster below
http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/9760/gunpics003.jpg

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/9151/gunpics001.jpg

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/2929/gunpics004.jpg

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/5060/gunpics002.jpg

Well there is is. Do realize that appendix carry is very body type / position of holster specific. Don't just give up on a holster right untill you have moved its position on the belt several times. Also each time that you move it give it a day or two of carry before you change. Even a half inch of adjustment on the belt can make a difference.

S/F,
Daryl

Isaac
07-23-2011, 10:36 AM
I have 2 of those but no pictures of them right now to load up.

One is for a 5 inch 1911 and the other for Glock 17/22/31 models. The 1911 is easier to draw from , the Glock is harder to get a firing grip on the gun. It seems to sit a little lower than the 1911 holster.

Interesting... thanks for replying, ive been looking everywhere for someone who owns a 1 1/2.

On another note, just got my Kobleson Leather AIWB kydex:
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/th_IMG_0339.jpg (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/IMG_0339.jpg)
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/th_IMG_0338.jpg (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/IMG_0338.jpg)
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/th_IMG_0335.jpg (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/IMG_0335.jpg)
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/th_IMG_0334.jpg (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/IMG_0334.jpg)
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/th_IMG_0333.jpg (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/IMG_0333.jpg)
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/th_IMG_0332.jpg (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/IMG_0332.jpg)
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/th_IMG_0331.jpg (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/IMG_0331.jpg)

Decado
07-25-2011, 11:39 AM
Interesting... thanks for replying, ive been looking everywhere for someone who owns a 1 1/2.

On another note, just got my Kobleson Leather AIWB kydex:
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/th_IMG_0339.jpg (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/IMG_0339.jpg)
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/th_IMG_0338.jpg (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/IMG_0338.jpg)
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/th_IMG_0335.jpg (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/IMG_0335.jpg)
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/th_IMG_0334.jpg (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/IMG_0334.jpg)
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/th_IMG_0333.jpg (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/IMG_0333.jpg)
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/th_IMG_0332.jpg (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/IMG_0332.jpg)
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/th_IMG_0331.jpg (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/IMG_0331.jpg)

I have been using an all kydex version of this holster along with Kolbeson's mag pouch/TDI knife combo sheath as my off duty EDC. I am carrying a Glock 26. Both are very comfortable.

Isaac
07-25-2011, 02:19 PM
It is indeed very comfortable, almost minimalist comfortable... The extra ride height seems to help it conceal easier. Dont think it will end my search though... hoping to see a pic of that Kramer 1 1/2... I think I might just have a preference twds leather...

JodyH
07-25-2011, 05:02 PM
Kahr K9

Kramer 1 1/2
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p82/JodyHuggins/kramer.jpg

HighNoon Hideaway (my daily CCW rig)
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p82/JodyHuggins/hnoon.jpg

Isaac
07-25-2011, 09:52 PM
Jody, you're the best! thanks!

Corvus, if you decide to get rid of that G17 1 1/2... let me know :)

Dagga Boy
07-26-2011, 11:00 AM
Sometimes, being fat does suck. I just did a photo shoot for my AIWB article yesterday. I ran some holsters at the 12:30 as pictured above for illustration. I can pull it off when sucking the "energy storage unit" in and standing, but it is a no go for my life. The benefits to both speed and concealment is a positive. I carry on the outside of the first belt loops instead of inside. Still better than 3:00 and back, but not quite as good as 12:30. Good pictures Jody (I wore a t-shirt so I didn't scare the children......Gorilla's with guns are scary;)).

NickA
07-26-2011, 01:25 PM
nyeti- let us know when and where to find the article.

Chefdog
07-26-2011, 01:56 PM
Jody,
What's your opinion on how the difference in ride height affects the use of those two rigs as far as comfort, concealment and draw are concerned?

Dagga Boy
07-26-2011, 03:48 PM
nyeti- let us know when and where to find the article.

I have three up coming articles in Combat Handguns. As soon as I find out when the AIWB one will run, I'll post it.

JodyH
07-26-2011, 05:28 PM
Jody,
What's your opinion on how the difference in ride height affects the use of those two rigs as far as comfort, concealment and draw are concerned?
Comfort wise there's no difference. If the Kahr had a longer barrel the low ride would probably poke me while seated.
The low ride conceals much better for me, the grip tends to blend in with the belt line.
My draw speeds are about the same, but I use a "snatch" draw with the low ride rather than getting a full grip while still completely holstered. By snatch draw I mean my hand stops about an inch above the grip and my fingers pull the gun up into my grip then I continue the draw as normal. I haven't found this to be any more or less consistent than getting a full grip then drawing. As with any draw, you just have to get your grip solid before clearing the holster.

Chefdog
07-26-2011, 08:41 PM
Comfort wise there's no difference. If the Kahr had a longer barrel the low ride would probably poke me while seated.
The low ride conceals much better for me, the grip tends to blend in with the belt line.
My draw speeds are about the same, but I use a "snatch" draw with the low ride rather than getting a full grip while still completely holstered. By snatch draw I mean my hand stops about an inch above the grip and my fingers pull the gun up into my grip then I continue the draw as normal. I haven't found this to be any more or less consistent than getting a full grip then drawing. As with any draw, you just have to get your grip solid before clearing the holster.

Thanks, much appreciated.

ToddG
07-27-2011, 09:56 AM
Sometimes, being fat does suck. I just did a photo shoot for my AIWB article yesterday. I ran some holsters at the 12:30 as pictured above for illustration. I can pull it off when sucking the "energy storage unit" in and standing, but it is a no go for my life.

What holsters did you try?

gtmtnbiker98
07-27-2011, 12:36 PM
Sometimes, being fat does suck. I just did a photo shoot for my AIWB article yesterday. I ran some holsters at the 12:30 as pictured above for illustration. I can pull it off when sucking the "energy storage unit" in and standing, but it is a no go for my life. The benefits to both speed and concealment is a positive. I carry on the outside of the first belt loops instead of inside. Still better than 3:00 and back, but not quite as good as 12:30. Good pictures Jody (I wore a t-shirt so I didn't scare the children......Gorilla's with guns are scary;)).All I can say is thanks for the laugh!! I have a new acronym, ESR (Energy Storage Unit). LOVE IT.

Dagga Boy
07-27-2011, 01:32 PM
What holsters did you try?

Currently I use the following:

Safariland #27-Gen 3 Glock 17 cut for 19 mags
Desbiens #4 Gen 2 Glock 17 cut for 19 mags
TT Gunleather AIWB-Gen 3 G-19, HK45C, HK USP 45C, HK USP 40C.
Bulman custom IWB-HK45C, P7M8, P7 PSP.
Eagle IWB, Glock 19 cut for G26 mags
Custom Holsters plus kydex-Glock 17-I use this as a training rig when I am doing a lot of draws and holstering on the range, but don't like kydex for IWB daily.
Desbiens #6 Ruger LCR
Custom kydex AIWB rig S&W 442.

I also tried the Ralston AIWB and a couple others over the years that haven't worked for me. It is why some of the above are non cataloged holsters and were made for a specific cant for me.

45R
07-28-2011, 11:26 PM
Archangel Photo with Glock 26

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/forty5r/IMG_3363.jpg

ADKilla
07-29-2011, 09:32 AM
After loving my Alessi PCH for years, I am test driving the Wilson CQB-C in a Kramer 1-1/2 at AIWB. I've also got a 1-1/2 on order for my Wilson ULC. We'll see how this goes.

I understand the advantages, and I completely agree with SN that where you put the holster isn't necessarily as important in an ECQC situation as the fact that leather seems to be better from both a comfort and retention stand point.

ADKilla
08-01-2011, 03:54 PM
am test driving the Wilson CQB-C in a Kramer 1-1/2 at AIWB. We'll see how this goes.

No go with the Kramer: Holster is positioned about 1-1/2 inches high off he belt line and the leather at the bottom pushes the butt out.

Currently trying a Tucker Gun Leather Half-Tac IWB self-modified for a vertical cant. The arm really pulls in the butt and hides the pistol.

NickA
09-01-2011, 09:36 AM
If anyone is looking at one of the Kolbeson rigs he's got a 15% off sale going through Labor Day, discount code is on the site. Quoting 4-5 week delivery.

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tmoore912
09-02-2011, 10:17 AM
One holster that hasn't been brought up yet is the Comp-Tac Neutral Cant MTAC for AIWB. I had one a couple years ago for a Kahr P9 that worked pretty well and was comfortable. Things I didn't like about it was the clips can slip out off the belt if you tork your body while bending over or stretching for something. A Pull-the-Dot snap loop would keep this from happening. It has a large footprint of leather against your adomain and it tends to get very warm and hot during the warmer months. That large footprint of leather would probably keep me from being able to use it with a full size handgun like a G17 or M&P, because the leather toward the back would poke my thigh and be uncomfortable.

It did hide the little Kahr very well though.

ETA: A big plus for Comp-Tac is they make this holster for a wide range of guns, which could open up AIWB carry to more people without having to change the gun they are already using. I feel that this holster is best suited for smaller sized handguns.

Here it is on the belt.

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/tmoore912/Holsters/IMG_0282.jpg

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/tmoore912/Holsters/Untitled00001-04.jpg

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/tmoore912/Holsters/IMG_0571.jpg

NickDrak
09-02-2011, 12:44 PM
I picked up a Blade-Tech "Nano" IWB holster on whim after receiving an email from PoilceStore.com which is Brownell's LE website: http://www.policestore.com/.aspx/pid=44586/Product/NANO_HOLSTER

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1787/sdc11324x.jpg

After doing some research on the Blade-Tech website it states that the cant of the holster is adjustable from zero to the "FBI" cant. I figured it may work for me for my new Gen4 G17 for appendix carry IWB, so I placed my order. Got it yesterday and I set the belt loops up for zero cant/AIWB.

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/2122/sdc11321v.jpg

The belt loops are also adjustable for belt width:

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9400/sdc11314p.jpg

More pics:

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/4650/sdc11326j.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7779/sdc11327c.jpg

These pics were taken in a mirror so everything is reversed:

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7209/sdc11331p.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/4249/sdc11333i.jpg

Pro's:
Very comfortable.
Good retention.
Smooth draw and re-holster.
Offers the best full grip on the pistol of any AWIB holster I have tried thus far. (My normal carry is a CCC "Looper" for my M&P9 f/s)
Full sweat guard.
Price: $60 (I got mine for $50 shipped with my LE discount)

Con's:
Since it rides slightly higher than other AWIB holster I have tried, it seems to "print" more. Now, the G17 is a bigger pistol than I am used to carrying so a smaller pistol like my M&P9 might conceal better but the ride hight seems to cause it to be less concealable for me.
Build quality doesn't seem to be on-par with the other custom options on the market. (Only time will tell)

Isaac
09-02-2011, 01:57 PM
That NANO doesnt look bad at all... good pics, thanks! Surprised it hasnt gotten more AIWB press.

vcdgrips
09-02-2011, 02:19 PM
I suspect the judicious application of some mole skin on the backside of the holster would assist in pushing the butt of the gun in a bit if that was needed/desired. I did that with a fair bit of success with the "conventional" Blade Tech IWB when I first started carrying AIWB and before I knew enough to order a Looper.

NickDrak
09-02-2011, 02:41 PM
I suspect the judicious application of some mole skin on the backside of the holster would assist in pushing the butt of the gun in a bit if that was needed/desired. I did that with a fair bit of success with the "conventional" Blade Tech IWB when I first started carrying AIWB and before I knew enough to order a Looper.

Good idea. Where is the best source to order some from?

Shellback
09-02-2011, 02:43 PM
Good idea. Where is the best source to order some from?

Walgreens, CVS, Wally World, etc. all carry mole skin.

markp
09-15-2011, 09:16 PM
Ordered one for the G19 after reading the earlier review.

So far, it ride's a little bit higher and doesn't jab my leg when I sit.

Concealment is on par with other's I have (Looper, Ludus MMA).
I did run a strip of moleskin along the inside edge to see if that will make any difference in comfort/concealment.

Mark

NickDrak
09-16-2011, 01:22 AM
What section do I find it in on my next trip to wallyworld?

markp
09-16-2011, 02:06 AM
near the pharmacy stuff

JeffJ
09-16-2011, 08:17 AM
What section do I find it in on my next trip to wallyworld?

It's for blisters, usually with the foot care stuff

ToddG
09-16-2011, 09:47 AM
Just got back from two days of high performance driving around a highly technical race track in a variety of Porsches. I wore my G17 in my CCC Shaggy the whole time and never even realized it was there. Neither did the other 28 students or any of the 8 instructors. Even when one of the instructors came by to make sure I was belted up properly in the Panamera Turbo he didn't notice.

JConn
09-16-2011, 05:48 PM
Post retracted

joshs
09-16-2011, 06:55 PM
Just got back from two days of high performance driving around a highly technical race track in a variety of Porsches. I wore my G17 in my CCC Shaggy the whole time and never even realized it was there. Neither did the other 28 students or any of the 8 instructors. Even when one of the instructors came by to make sure I was belted up properly in the Panamera Turbo he didn't notice.

Did the cars have four/five/six point harnesses or regular three point belts?

Dagga Boy
09-16-2011, 10:19 PM
Just got back from two days of high performance driving around a highly technical race track in a variety of Porsches. I wore my G17 in my CCC Shaggy the whole time and never even realized it was there. Neither did the other 28 students or any of the 8 instructors. Even when one of the instructors came by to make sure I was belted up properly in the Panamera Turbo he didn't notice.

Oh, a car where the doors open...............I should done that class instead of the NASCAR one.....driving was not an issue, getting my fat ass in and out through a window was an act of God:eek:.

ToddG
09-17-2011, 01:06 AM
Did the cars have four/five/six point harnesses or regular three point belts?

The cars were bone stock and fully equipped... you could listen to Satellite Radio as you sped around the track if you wanted. The only modification was that the traction control system could not be disabled. The only vehicle we used that could turn off the traction control was on the skidpad, where they worked hard to get us driving as fast & accurately with it disabled as we could when it was active.

Lon
09-17-2011, 11:09 PM
Latest version of the Cane & Derby received today. G19 Gen 3.

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8945/020yt.jpg

What's with the bottom portion of this holster? Does this push the bottom of the holster out, bringing the top in closer to the body?

Prdator
09-18-2011, 06:11 AM
What's with the bottom portion of this holster? Does this push the bottom of the holster out, bringing the top in closer to the body?

Yes, In theory that is what the "wedges" do. If the gun is printing on area say top of slide then you have to bring it into the body somehow and putting a wedge at the bottom of the holster does help.

longball
09-19-2011, 01:22 PM
Thanks for the info in this thread everybody. I have to keep my shirt tucked in all day and carry in an environment where I am asked not to. Has anybody used the Joab by Dale Fricke? Thoughts?
http://www.dalefrickeholsters.com/products/joab.htm

JeffJ
09-19-2011, 01:59 PM
Thanks for the info in this thread everybody. I have to keep my shirt tucked in all day and carry in an environment where I am asked not to. Has anybody used the Joab by Dale Fricke? Thoughts?
http://www.dalefrickeholsters.com/products/joab.htm

I had one, It didn't really work for me. The belt attachment is wide and made out of thick kydex, so you can tuck but it makes a large bulge. I tuck my shirt around my shaggy and it works much better. YMMV

longball
09-20-2011, 07:15 AM
Latest version of the Cane & Derby received today. G19 Gen 3.

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/4687/019zzz.jpg

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8945/020yt.jpg

How is this holster working for you sir?

longball
09-20-2011, 07:18 AM
I had one, It didn't really work for me. The belt attachment is wide and made out of thick kydex, so you can tuck but it makes a large bulge. I tuck my shirt around my shaggy and it works much better. YMMV

Thank you for the reply. It is quite a task trying to pick out an appendix rig for the first time.

JeffJ
09-20-2011, 08:09 AM
Thank you for the reply. It is quite a task trying to pick out an appendix rig for the first time.

I think we all feel your pain.

Tucking is something that isn't an option for me at work. I can wear pretty casual clothes: jeans or khaki's and a golf shirt - but the untucked shirt wouldn't go over well. I got wrapped up in that when I started carrying and then looked at all sorts of options. What works best for me is a one-loop holster (shaggy for me) with a home-made leather belt loop that is dyed to match my belt with my shirt tucked in all around the holster and folded up under itself where it goes over the loop. It's not very noticeable, as far as I know I've never been made - even by people that know I carry. There is a bulge at the waist line which you can disguise by blousing the shirt a little more.

Shellback
09-20-2011, 10:21 AM
How is this holster working for you sir?

For me it's pretty comfortable but I don't think AIWB is right for me at this time. Not sure if it's my physique, method of carry, pants too high/too low or what the case may be but after quite a bit of trying I'm going to stick with traditional IWB for the time being. I'm actually going to be selling this holster in the near future.

tmoore912
09-20-2011, 03:29 PM
I had one, It didn't really work for me. The belt attachment is wide and made out of thick kydex, so you can tuck but it makes a large bulge. I tuck my shirt around my shaggy and it works much better. YMMV

The Dale Fricke Joab was the first true AIWB holster I ever bought back in 2008 I think. I bought one for my 1911 Commander. Dale didn't have the Archangel model out and the Ehub wasn't for me because of the J hook attachment on the belt. I used it a lot and it did a good job, but I hardly ever tucked it. When the Archangel came out(which you cant tuck), I bought one for my 1911s and one for the Glocks and never looked back.

The attachment is kind of cumbersome, but does a great job of securing the holster. Blousing your shirt will help it hide pretty decent, but it isn't easy to get it right. It can be done though. My dress belts are A&G Custom Gun Leather belts that are 1.25" which is a little small for my Joabs belt loops. It works very well with my Wilderness belts, but if I wear those then I don't really look dressed up.;) It does not pull the grip into your stomach like a Shaggy does, but it will conceal a gun with a tucked shirt. At the time I ordered mine from Dale, he was only making them for 1911, Glocks and M&Ps iirc. He now makes them for other models. IMO A Kahr K9 would work very well with this holster and tucking because it is such a slim gun.

Here are some picks of it being used.

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/tmoore912/Holsters/IMG_2941.jpg

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/tmoore912/Holsters/IMG_2942.jpg

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/tmoore912/Holsters/IMG_2944.jpg

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/tmoore912/Holsters/IMG_2946.jpg

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/tmoore912/Holsters/IMG_1076.jpg

Joab on the left for my 1911 and Archangel on the right for my Glocks. Notice the slimness of the Joab for the 1911. That helps a lot with concealment.

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/tmoore912/Holsters/IMG_0475.jpg

TnRebel
09-25-2011, 03:05 PM
I use the Kholster Crescent Moon and it is tuckable also.

http://s3.postimage.org/1qtzvmldw/IM000802a.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/1qtzvmldw/) http://s3.postimage.org/1qv3kix8k/IM000803e.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/1qv3kix8k/)

longball
09-29-2011, 07:09 AM
tmoore,
Thank you for the pictures. The side by side of the Joab and the Archangel is really helpful. Is that the Joab you are wearing in the first picture?

JeffJ,
Thank you for the responses sir.


The Dale Fricke Joab was the first true AIWB holster I ever bought back in 2008 I think. I bought one for my 1911 Commander. Dale didn't have the Archangel model out and the Ehub wasn't for me because of the J hook attachment on the belt. I used it a lot and it did a good job, but I hardly ever tucked it. When the Archangel came out(which you cant tuck), I bought one for my 1911s and one for the Glocks and never looked back.

The attachment is kind of cumbersome, but does a great job of securing the holster. Blousing your shirt will help it hide pretty decent, but it isn't easy to get it right. It can be done though. My dress belts are A&G Custom Gun Leather belts that are 1.25" which is a little small for my Joabs belt loops. It works very well with my Wilderness belts, but if I wear those then I don't really look dressed up.;) It does not pull the grip into your stomach like a Shaggy does, but it will conceal a gun with a tucked shirt. At the time I ordered mine from Dale, he was only making them for 1911, Glocks and M&Ps iirc. He now makes them for other models. IMO A Kahr K9 would work very well with this holster and tucking because it is such a slim gun.

Here are some picks of it being used. the

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/tmoore912/Holsters/IMG_2941.jpg

Joab on the left for my 1911 and Archangel on the right for my Glocks. Notice the slimness of the Joab for the 1911. That helps a lot with concealment.

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/tmoore912/Holsters/IMG_0475.jpg

tmoore912
09-29-2011, 09:25 AM
tmoore,
Is that the Joab you are wearing in the first picture?

Yes, it is the Joab. Belt loops are made for a 1.5" belt though, and I am wearing a 1.25" belt in the pic. The only 1.5" belts I have are Wilderness belts, and tend to look too "tacticool" when I tuck in the shirt for casual wear. It would be nice if the Joab Kydex loops were a little bit smaller IMO. You could probably get Dale to change that.

longball
09-30-2011, 02:17 AM
Yes, it is the Joab. Belt loops are made for a 1.5" belt though, and I am wearing a 1.25" belt in the pic. The only 1.5" belts I have are Wilderness belts, and tend to look too "tacticool" when I tuck in the shirt for casual wear. It would be nice if the Joab Kydex loops were a little bit smaller IMO. You could probably get Dale to change that.

I may talk to him and see what he says. I have to tuck my shirt in and I am afraid that tucking around and blousing over a holster would give me away. Thank you for the information sir.

NickA
12-22-2011, 05:15 PM
Another option I wasn't aware of, courtesy of Gun Nuts :
http://gunnuts.net/2011/12/21/garrett-industries-silent-thunder-slim-ii-appendix-carry/


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joshs
01-08-2012, 06:09 PM
My "workout carry" gun/holster. SmartCarry with grip above belt line allowing for normal AIWB draw. Tying my shorts tightly over the cylinder helps to add stability. It works so well that I have no problems with the holster flapping when sprinting.

386

387

joshs
01-08-2012, 06:20 PM
CCC Shaggy, C&D Pardus AIWB(old style), Safariland Model 27, Desbiens #4 Hardcore, Don Hume H715 MSO

388

Shaggy as baseline and C&D

389

Shaggy and 27

390

Shaggy and Desbiens

391

Shaggy and H715 MSO

392

joshs
01-08-2012, 06:26 PM
CCC Shaggy

393

394

395

joshs
01-08-2012, 06:28 PM
Safariland Model 27

396

397

398

joshs
01-08-2012, 06:30 PM
Don Hume H715 MSO

399

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joshs
01-08-2012, 06:32 PM
C&D Pardus AIWB

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joshs
01-08-2012, 06:34 PM
Desbiens #4 Hardcore

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JodyH
01-08-2012, 07:02 PM
I'll add my C&D Pardus pics:
I've since rotated my belt buckle around to 4 o'clock and it's made a huge difference in concealment.
Kind of a pain to drop trou, but that's what zippers are for.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p82/JodyHuggins/p30cd.jpg

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p82/JodyHuggins/cdp30aiwb.jpg

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p82/JodyHuggins/cdp30aiwbtop.jpg

joshs
01-08-2012, 09:53 PM
Jody -- From your pic it looks like they've significantly increased the amount of "wedge" and removed most of the excess material under the rail/dustcover, which fixes my two biggest problems with the holster.

Smash
01-09-2012, 01:58 PM
Gentlemen, I'm built like a fire hydrant and usually stay away from appendix but want to give it a decent shot since I've only tried a Minotaur aiwb. I'm looking pulling the trigger on a dale fricke arch angel or Joab for a Glock 23. Is it better to have the leather loops rather than the kydex hooks for more flexibility and comfort?

JohnN
01-09-2012, 02:21 PM
Gentlemen, I'm built like a fire hydrant and usually stay away from appendix but want to give it a decent shot since I've only tried a Minotaur aiwb. I'm looking pulling the trigger on a dale fricke arch angel or Joab for a Glock 23. Is it better to have the leather loops rather than the kydex hooks for more flexibility and comfort?

I tried a Joab several years ago and it didn't conceal well for me. I have heard the Arch Angel conceals better.

It's funny, AIWB is better than a scale, when the butt of my chosen gun starts to stick out I know its time to loose a few pounds.

Smash
01-09-2012, 08:54 PM
I emailed Dale Fricke Holsters and within an hour I had a email from Dale answering questions on availability and such. I ordered the Arch, hopefully I'll get it soon and enjoy the hell out of it.

jthhapkido
01-10-2012, 11:04 AM
I emailed Dale Fricke Holsters and within an hour I had a email from Dale answering questions on availability and such. I ordered the Arch, hopefully I'll get it soon and enjoy the hell out of it.

I've got an Archangel and a Shaggy, and I've got to admit, I use the Archangel much more often. There is no doubt that the Shaggy snugs the gun butt into my side a lot more, and that is the part that normally prints---so from that perspective, the Shaggy is the better holster.

But for me, the Archangel conceals just fine, and the ability to quickly take it on and off without taking off my belt is something I strongly prefer. In addition, the "wedge" section of the Shaggy that causes it to push the gun butt in ALSO makes the center section of the holster bulge out in a noticeably weird way, especially if I'm just wearing a t-shirt.

Maybe I'm just built strangely.

The Shaggy is a good design, and I like the holster. In my case, the Archangel just works better for my needs, and conceals just fine. I wear it all the time. G17 in winter, G19 in summer. (That half-inch of butt is the different between printing in a t-shirt, and not printing in a t-shirt, for me.) Same holster for both guns.

Jackdog
01-10-2012, 10:10 PM
Hey Joshs,

Is your Desbiens #4 Hardcore the "low ride" or the "high ride"?

Thanks,
Guy






Desbiens #4 Hardcore

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matman
01-11-2012, 12:57 AM
I've owned and carried in both the Joab and the AA. I prefer the AA. I just ordered my second AA, and ended up selling the Joab. The Joabs solid, and if concealment weren't my goal I'd say it's great. But the AA is just as steady when used with the right belt, and allows me to conceal a much larger gun in less clothing than the Joab did. I carried a Glock 19 in the Joab, and it printed more than my glock 21 in the AA. Now I have an AA that Dale made me for the G19 with the new Crimson Trace Lightguard mounted (got it a couple days ago). It conceals great in just a tshirt.

Isaac
01-26-2012, 02:39 PM
Highnoon's Mr Softy has been a favorite of mine for years. Recently they came out with a higher riding "Uppercut". Here is a pic to show the ride heights. The Mr. Softy is my favorite deep concealment minimalist AIWB holster, and not hard to re holster with... actually requiring you to look though.
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/th_IMG_1140.jpg (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/IMG_1140.jpg)
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/th_IMG_1139.jpg (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/IMG_1139.jpg)
The Mr Softy was cut for G26 and Uppercut for G19.
I think they have one of the best metal clips in the bus, and using The Wilderness belt with them is a nice combo. They only come in 1.75 clips, so the higher riding Uppercut wasnt as stable as i'd like on my 1.5 belts.


Here is a Kramer I picked up cheap on his Ebay dept., the cant on the #2s never looks extreme, sometimes almost looking like the #1 1/2- but without the extra flap of leather- so I got it to try it AIWB. Nope, too much cant. This is def a traditional strong side holster.
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/th_e14fcd04.jpg (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/e14fcd04.jpg)

ETA: *I played with the belt loops to try and get a straight drop on the #2 to no (stable) avail.

SmokeJumper
01-26-2012, 03:58 PM
Highnoon's Mr Softy has been a favorite of mine for years. Recently they came out with a higher riding "Uppercut". Here is a pic to show the ride heights. The Mr. Softy is my favorite deep concealment minimalist AIWB holster, and not hard to re holster with... actually requiring you to look though.
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/th_IMG_1140.jpg (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/IMG_1140.jpg)
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/th_IMG_1139.jpg (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k317/isis07734/IMG_1139.jpg)
The Mr Softy was cut for G26 and Uppercut for G19.
I think they have one of the best metal clips in the bus, and using The Wilderness belt with them is a nice combo. They only come in 1.75 clips, so the higher riding Uppercut wasnt as stable as i'd like on my 1.5 belts.

So which Mr. Softy do you prefer for AIWB carry, the lower standard or the new high ride? Dos the new high ride feel like the gun is too high and it will flop out while seated/going from seated to standing or bending? Just curious and was looking at a Softy as a temporary AIWB holster until something more suited arrives.

JeffJ
01-26-2012, 05:25 PM
I just got (this afternoon) a high noon alter ego. This is a tuckable straight drop that is molded and reinforced. I've been carrying in a CCC shaggy and will tuck my shirt around the holster but it's not ideal. My inital impressions are that the high noon is well made and comfortable. It doesn't tuck the butt end of the gun in as aggressively as the shaggy but with an tucked in shirt bloused over it it's less of an issue. My G19 isn't bad in this regard anyway, something larger might be. I'll try to post some pics tonight when/if I get a chance.

RoyGBiv
01-26-2012, 06:25 PM
So which Mr. Softy do you prefer for AIWB carry, the lower standard or the new high ride? Dos the new high ride feel like the gun is too high and it will flop out while seated/going from seated to standing or bending? Just curious and was looking at a Softy as a temporary AIWB holster until something more suited arrives.

I've been carrying a HK P2000SK in a Mr. Softy on/off for a year now. It works great for concealment wearing shorts a light web belt (5.11 tactical) and a t-shirt. It's really easy to clip on and take off, and the clip is very good. The ride height on the Mr. Softy is pretty low, so I bought an upper cut (it arrived last week). I shipped the upper cut back to High Noon yesterday. The ride height was great on the grip end, but there was not enough gun/holster below the belt. The the butt of the gun kept trying to rotate away from my body. The Upper-Cut just wasn't workable (for me) for a short-barrel gun. I think a longer barrel gun would be ok.

I like the High Noon products overall and they didn't seem to have any problem taking this one back.
We'll see how long it takes for the credit to hit my card... :D

abu fitna
01-26-2012, 08:04 PM
The leather is fairly soft though and probably won't stand up to years of hard daily use.

---

I carried a Blackhawk CQC IWB under some very hard conditions for quite a long time. It lasted quite a bit longer than I would have expected, under quite a lot of heat, sand, and stress. Retired it due to changing operational role and a different carry need, rather than wearing the thing out... it is still one I would trust, and still has positive retention fit after the wear. By comparison, I was burning through other well known makers in less than a few months due to the conditions. Your mileage may vary, and replacement holsters are always such as nice present to oneself though...

Crawls
02-01-2012, 08:12 PM
I emailed Dale Fricke Holsters and within an hour I had a email from Dale answering questions on availability and such. I ordered the Arch, hopefully I'll get it soon and enjoy the hell out of it.


How's the AA working out for you? I'm thinking of ordering one as well.

Thanks,

CCT125US
02-02-2012, 08:55 AM
Details and pictures of the new Cane and Derby AIWB are up on the site www.caneandderbynews.com looks very interesting and glad to have one on order

JDM
02-02-2012, 09:12 AM
Details and pictures of the new Cane and Derby AIWB are up on the site www.caneandderbynews.com looks very interesting and glad to have one on order

That does look promising.

bdcheung
02-02-2012, 09:41 AM
I'm excited. I'd also like to say that I'm relieved to see that C&D are fulfilling their obligations (albeit sometimes a little behind schedule). They've delivered the pictures (late), they've revamped their CRM (customer relationship management) software to an automated and trackable ticket system, things are actually looking good. This gives me warm fuzzies and allays some fears that they'll turn into another SCW or Mark Garrity.

Shellback
02-02-2012, 10:55 AM
The new C&D appendix rig looks like a big improvement over the old Pardus. I've been happy with my Shaggy but would be willing to give this a try.

bdcheung
02-02-2012, 11:23 AM
I've got a pending order for one and will post pics and a review once it arrives.

CCT125US
02-02-2012, 12:14 PM
I contacted Ian at C&D and was told my order would arrive within two and a half weeks. Oh and he replied within an hour.

Wondering Beard
02-02-2012, 02:12 PM
I've got a pending order for one and will post pics and a review once it arrives.

Could you compare ride height with other holsters, preferably the Shaggy?

bdcheung
02-02-2012, 02:30 PM
Could you compare ride height with other holsters, preferably the Shaggy?

I don't have a Shaggy, but maybe someone in my area does and we can do some comparison photos.

I *can* take photos with the Dale Fricke Archangel and Joab, the two AIWB holsters that I do have. I can also snap shots of my Safariland 6378 if that's useful. All of these with my M&P 9c and/or 9fs.

JFK
02-02-2012, 02:43 PM
Could you compare ride height with other holsters, preferably the Shaggy?

Mr. Beard,

I have both holsters. I am left handed but here is my input:
http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?2635-Quest-for-%93The%94-Holster-a-Study-in-Wrong-Handedness

Hope this helps you a bit. Keep in mind though body type and clothing plays a big roll too. It is a lot of trial and error.

Jay

Wondering Beard
02-02-2012, 05:53 PM
Mr. Beard,

I have both holsters. I am left handed but here is my input:
http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?2635-Quest-for-%93The%94-Holster-a-Study-in-Wrong-Handedness

Hope this helps you a bit. Keep in mind though body type and clothing plays a big roll too. It is a lot of trial and error.

Jay

Thanks Jay, it does.

I have a Shaggy, worn everyday, the ride height is good for me in that I can get a full grip on the gun while in the holster at the beginning of the presentation. It could however benefit, for me, from being just a small tad higher.

It's difficult to tell from the various photos of the C&D holsters if they are lower, higher or the same as the Shaggy.

Please, no 'mister' for me, my good breeding only goes so far ;)

JFK
02-02-2012, 06:01 PM
I just ordered a Kydex loop for my shaggy. I suspect the weight of the 1911 was too much to stabilize with the leather loops. I will post my findings once it arrives.

JodyH
02-02-2012, 06:03 PM
The C&D Pardus has two different ride heights depending on which rivet hole the belt loops are attached to.
I run mine in the upper holes, which drops the gun 1/2" lower in the pants.
I wonder if the PIC has the same option.
I'd be interested in getting my grubby little paws on a PIC for T&E.

YVK
02-02-2012, 06:19 PM
I have a Shaggy, worn everyday, the ride height is good for me in that I can get a full grip on the gun while in the holster at the beginning of the presentation. It could however benefit, for me, from being just a small tad higher.

It's difficult to tell from the various photos of the C&D holsters if they are lower, higher or the same as the Shaggy.


For me, Shaggy's ride height is perfect but CDI Pardus was unusable due to low ride, even in its highest position. Pistol is a P30.

TGS
02-02-2012, 07:06 PM
The PIC looks like nothing more than a Bladetech Nano, or am I missing something?

JConn
02-02-2012, 07:26 PM
It seems to me that the new c&d rides much lower than a nano. The difference in the angles of the loops is also more pronounced.

Gun Nerd
02-06-2012, 08:18 AM
Model: Blackhawk Leather CQC IWB
Price: $65
Contact Info: http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Inside-the-Pants-Leather-Concealment,1151,1418.htm
Comments: The adjustable cant is great, the holster is well made and works great for AIWB. A much better choice than the Safariland 27 IMO. The leather is fairly soft though and probably won't stand up to years of hard daily use.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p82/JodyHuggins/p2k_bhiwb.jpg[/QUOTE]

What's the belt loop size on this one, and does the belt loop pivot?

bdcheung
02-06-2012, 09:09 AM
It seems to me that the new c&d rides much lower than a nano. The difference in the angles of the loops is also more pronounced.

And the C&D PIC is neutral cant. The Nano looks to be a 10- or 15-degree forward cant.

SamuelBLong
02-06-2012, 01:20 PM
And the C&D PIC is neutral cant. The Nano looks to be a 10- or 15-degree forward cant.

The nano can be adjusted to zero cant.

Looks like the C&D PIC also has a thicker layer of additional kydex behind the loops. I imagine that it helps create some wedge to further tuck the grip.

They do look very similar.

JodyH
02-06-2012, 05:54 PM
Model: Blackhawk Leather CQC IWB
Price: $65
Contact Info: http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Inside-the-Pants-Leather-Concealment,1151,1418.htm
Comments: The adjustable cant is great, the holster is well made and works great for AIWB. A much better choice than the Safariland 27 IMO. The leather is fairly soft though and probably won't stand up to years of hard daily use.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p82/JodyHuggins/p2k_bhiwb.jpg

What's the belt loop size on this one, and does the belt loop pivot?
You could use a thin 1.75" belt, but a 1.5" double thick leather belt is about perfect.
The belt loop is adjustable for cant by removing the screw that fastens the snap then adjusting the loop to a different cant and tightening the screw.
There is velcro between the belt loop and the holster body to keep it from rotating once it's tightened down.

JodyH
02-06-2012, 06:18 PM
Modified Fricke Archangel.
I cut down the sweatshield.
Carries a little tighter to the body and is easier to do WHO manipulations out of.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p82/JodyHuggins/aamod2.jpg

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p82/JodyHuggins/aamod.jpg

Isaac
02-06-2012, 06:57 PM
Sorry for the wait,

I like the Mr Softy for deep concealment. The Uppercut's ride height was perfect but bc of the 1.75 clip on my 1.5 belt it wasnt stable enough. The straight drop strapped Highnoon holsters on the other hand are good to go. As for the leather being not up for hard use, ive been using mine for about 4 years and it's like new. It mates very well with the Wilderness belt bc of the strap laying over the clip. Some ppl just cant stand clips, so obviously this isnt for them... but it's a minimalist deep conceal holster.

Did that help? Feel free to ask anymore questions... I fancy myself very experienced in using the Mr Softy :)



The Uppercut was a nice addition, but I ended up selling mine.

Gun Nerd
02-07-2012, 05:33 AM
You could use a thin 1.75" belt, but a 1.5" double thick leather belt is about perfect.
The belt loop is adjustable for cant by removing the screw that fastens the snap then adjusting the loop to a different cant and tightening the screw.
There is velcro between the belt loop and the holster body to keep it from rotating once it's tightened down.

Thanks. I prefer 1.25" belts so this might not be secure enough for my taste.

Savage Hands
02-07-2012, 01:23 PM
Details and pictures of the new Cane and Derby AIWB are up on the site www.caneandderbynews.com looks very interesting and glad to have one on order


Since it also can be configured for dedicated IWB carry, I ordered one to try out as well.

SmokeJumper
02-09-2012, 04:15 PM
For you guys with a C&D PIC AIWB holster inbound, can you post some pics, front/back of holster and in use/being carried for some more reference? Thanks

bdcheung
02-09-2012, 04:20 PM
They say mine ships tomorrow. Once I get it I'll post pics and initial thoughts.

zml342
02-10-2012, 07:56 AM
They say mine ships tomorrow. Once I get it I'll post pics and initial thoughts.

When did you place your order? I ordered one as well and am trying to figure out how long the wait will be. I'm wondering if they got an influx of orders that will increase their wait time at all.

bdcheung
02-10-2012, 08:17 AM
When did you place your order? I ordered one as well and am trying to figure out how long the wait will be. I'm wondering if they got an influx of orders that will increase their wait time at all.

I ordered on January 10, order number 100000571

CCT125US
02-10-2012, 08:30 AM
Mine was placed january 9th ......order #566. We will see who gets to the review first :-)

zml342
02-10-2012, 09:11 AM
I ordered on January 10, order number 100000571

Cool, thanks.

bdcheung
02-10-2012, 08:19 PM
Got my tracking number :)


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CR78
02-12-2012, 09:55 AM
Mine was placed january 9th ......order #566. We will see who gets to the review first :-)

I placed my order January 26, order # 586. It'll be my first foray into appendix carry if it gets delivered.

JRCHolsters
02-14-2012, 11:52 AM
I just posted a bunch of pictures of the AIWB-CDA to my thread in the picture forum. I didn't want to clog up this thread. I hope you like it. A lot of the design aspects of this holster are based on user feedback and paying attention to this forum and its users.
http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?1107-Some-custom-Horsehide-Holsters&p=52577&viewfull=1#post52577

http://jrcholsters.com/images/stories/holsters/aiwb/img_9148.jpg

Gun Nerd
02-22-2012, 10:48 PM
Dale Fricke Archangel for the J-frame

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/jfrazer2/2012-02-22_21-32-17_650.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/jfrazer2/2012-02-22_21-40-52_340.jpg

It rides a little high, but for the size and weight of the gun it's fine. It conceals well on my skinny (6'2", 175#, 34" waist) frame and is super-comfortable. I may try building up a bit of a "tuck pad" on the barrel out of moleskin or the like.

Dale was an absolute pleasure to deal with. I ordered last Tuesday and received the holster yesterday (Tuesday). I originally ordered brown but Dale suggested black because it's thinner. He suggested just using brown loops in case they flash, then included both black and brown anyway. I decided black was closer to the color of even my dark brown belts.

cdunn
03-02-2012, 02:49 PM
anybody have a AIWB for a M&P 9 ,that they don't use or would like to sell?I'd like to try one.

JRCHolsters
03-06-2012, 02:17 PM
Here are a few pictures of a AIWB-CDA with a "tuckable" loop installed. This is a test one, so I left it undyed. It is pretty comfortable and works better than I thought it would. I am just going to make a few minor changes and it will be available soon. I know a few guys were interested in this.
http://jrcholsters.com/images/stories/holsters/aiwb/img_9204.jpg

The shirt pulled tight up to the body
http://jrcholsters.com/images/stories/holsters/aiwb/img_9205.jpg

exposed blue gun
http://jrcholsters.com/images/stories/holsters/aiwb/img_9206.jpg

tmoore912
03-06-2012, 02:24 PM
That looks real interesting.

JeffJ
03-06-2012, 02:30 PM
I'm very interested in this - looks like it does a much better job of pulling the butt in than my current tuckable holster

bdcheung
03-06-2012, 02:32 PM
you've got my money once that option is available.

:p

JRCHolsters
03-06-2012, 02:35 PM
Thanks guys. This will be available as an option after next week. It will add $25 to the price of the holster. It is also adjustable for height like the regular loop.

Super J
03-06-2012, 11:25 PM
Hey JR

Does the tuckable version of your appendix holster tuck the butt of the gun in as much as the standard version?

JRCHolsters
03-07-2012, 07:16 AM
Hey JR

Does the tuckable version of your appendix holster tuck the butt of the gun in as much as the standard version?

Yes. It is exactly the same holster, with a different accessory belt loop attachment screwed on. Depending on the gun and the way the person has it set up, the butt of the gun is actually behind the belt line.
This is one more thing that makes the holster truly adaptable.

SGT_Calle
03-12-2012, 05:43 PM
Preface: I am a AIWB noob. First holster like this.
Got my Garrett Industries Slim Appendix Carry holster today. Here's a few pictures with my HK45c.
I went with the coyote kydex and natural leather liner.
First impression, it smells funny. lol
http://img.tapatalk.com/18605e15-7a89-01d7.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/18605e15-7a93-0213.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/18605e15-7a9b-f8ac.jpg
I like the color. I like the bit that's against the body. It's just enough to keep the safety from digging in
http://img.tapatalk.com/18605e15-7aee-be43.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/18605e15-7af8-7bb1.jpg

Day one impressions? My cheap-o LAPG pants have a thick belt loop that is exactly in the way! Lol
It's pretty comfy so far. I really like the leather liner.

I'm tall and skinny (6'3", 165 lbs). I have a feeling that you men who carry like this have more chest than I do. I do, however, think this is going to be THE way for me, especially once I move back to SC and have to CC, rather than OC.
EDIT: I'll try more pants and update as needed. I'm hoping this works well to just slap on under ACUs when heading off post to lunch and whatnot.
Also, I have a parade this weekend, I'll give it a real torture test! lol

bdcheung
03-12-2012, 06:03 PM
Thanks for the pic. Looks like you can adjust the ride height?

I prefer to carry AIWB when possible and I don't have more than a 36" chest and 30" waist. I'm also skinny at 5'10", 145 lbs.

A lower ride height looks like it may conceal better, though with that tshirt it conceals pretty well.

Just my $0.02


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tmoore912
03-12-2012, 06:07 PM
Definitively wear it lower. It is riding too high and wanting to tip out over the belt. This is why I and a lot of others like longer AIWB holsters. They don't want to tip out over the belt.

BTW, tall and skinny works well for appendix carry.

SGT_Calle
03-12-2012, 06:38 PM
Agreed, I am going to get a longer clip so it can ride lower. It isn't hight adjustable, but the cant is adjustable.
No thoughts on the funny smell? or my awesome t-shirt? :-D

tmoore912
03-12-2012, 06:43 PM
Agreed, I am going to get a longer clip so it can ride lower. It isn't hight adjustable, but the cant is adjustable.
No thoughts on the funny smell? or my awesome t-shirt? :-D

Funny smell is from the glue they use to glue the leather lining in the holster. I once had Tucker Silent Thunder (which was made by Garrett) for my 1911s. It smelled at first. That leather lining was real nice and quiet.:)

Garrett should be able to make you a longer clip. Hell, if you have to....make your own with some kydex.

Since that holster isn't very deep, you probably are going to need the grip to ride just off of the belt about an inch or less to get the best concealment out of it IMO.

twpayne75
03-13-2012, 05:22 PM
Agreed, I am going to get a longer clip so it can ride lower. It isn't hight adjustable, but the cant is adjustable.
No thoughts on the funny smell? or my awesome t-shirt? :-D

It is height adjustable. You have it in the middle position. You can take it up a notch to lower the holster in your pants. Read this thread. It will tell you all you need to know about the clips. I ordered extra as well. Right now as I type this mine is riding really low. Just barely higher than it would be in a Smartcarry.

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/saddlery/152502-anybody-tried-garrett-industries-silent-thunder-slim-aiwb-pictures-added.html

twpayne75
03-14-2012, 06:35 AM
For reference purposes, I am about 5' 11" and weight 195 pounds.
Garrett Industries Silent Thunder Slim:

Holster:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/twpayne75/110.jpg
Holster with gun:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/twpayne75/112.jpg
Holster with extra clips. The one that is on it is the middle length one. The shortest is the standard length:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/twpayne75/121.jpg
Jeans. What I usually wear when not working which is seldom. Normally I would have slightly larger cover shirt. That is the tightest fitting t-shirt I own. Figured you would rather see that than my belly.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/twpayne75/116.jpg
Twisted holding camera getting side view. There really is zero printing. Even when I pull my cover shirt tight.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/twpayne75/115.jpg
With pants I would normally wear to work:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/twpayne75/117.jpg
Twisted for side view:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/twpayne75/118.jpg
How I would normally carry at work with shirt tucked in:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/twpayne75/119.jpg
And again twisted for side view:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/twpayne75/120.jpg

bdcheung
03-14-2012, 08:06 AM
Thanks for the pics. Does the holster ever rotate in your pants? Having the offset-mounted loop leads me to think the holster can torque around it.


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RoyGBiv
03-14-2012, 10:27 AM
Thanks for the pics. Does the holster ever rotate in your pants? Having the offset-mounted loop leads me to think the holster can torque around it.


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Same question I had looking at the photos..

twpayne75
03-14-2012, 12:54 PM
Thanks for the pics. Does the holster ever rotate in your pants? Having the offset-mounted loop leads me to think the holster can torque around it.


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Yes and no. You can't really set the clip exactly as you would have it ride. The clip is a little bigger than the belt. So it will rotate slightly until the little wing catches your belt. You have to compensate for that in your cant adjustment. I have not had it slip off my belt. But when using a belt like the one in the picture (Wilderness) there is not a whole lot of that wing holding it. I have considered heating the wing and bending it in slightly. It is not an issue with a thicker leather belt like my Beltman belts. It locks in very positively with it where its much thicker.

If you look in the pictures you can see where it has rotated to. Thats as far as it can go.

JRCHolsters
03-19-2012, 05:09 PM
Here are some pics of an off-set extender prototype for the AIWB-CDA. About 30% of the users who get the holster feel it is a little thick with the loop riding right over the gun, though they still love the comfort.

Instead of making a thinned, less rigid loop, I decided to try offsetting it. The loop is riding right over the round Tuck pad. This extender will work with the standard loop shipped with each holster.

Once I am confident that this works like I want, it will be standard with all the holsters an no extra charge. Customers who have already bought holsters will get the extender in the mail.
This is the great thing about this holster being so modular.
http://jrcholsters.com/images/stories/holsters/aiwb/img_9216.jpg
http://jrcholsters.com/images/stories/holsters/aiwb/img_9217.jpg
http://jrcholsters.com/images/stories/holsters/aiwb/img_9218.jpg

Shellback
03-19-2012, 05:14 PM
Here are some pics of an off-set extender prototype for the AIWB-CDA.

It keeps getting better with even more modularity. Well done Jim!

twpayne75
03-19-2012, 05:19 PM
Here are some pics of an off-set extender prototype for the AIWB-CDA. About 30% of the users who get the holster feel it is a little thick with the loop riding right over the gun, though they still love the comfort.

Instead of making a thinned, less rigid loop, I decided to try offsetting it. The loop is riding right over the round Tuck pad. This extender will work with the standard loop shipped with each holster.

Once I am confident that this works like I want, it will be standard with all the holsters an no extra charge. Customers who have already bought holsters will get the extender in the mail.
This is the great thing about this holster being so modular.
http://jrcholsters.com/images/stories/holsters/aiwb/img_9216.jpg
http://jrcholsters.com/images/stories/holsters/aiwb/img_9217.jpg
http://jrcholsters.com/images/stories/holsters/aiwb/img_9218.jpg

That I really like. Me and some others were discussing your holsters on HKPro. The only thing really keeping me from trying one (I'm a holster junkie), was the fact that they looked like it was very thick over the gun body causing a large hump in the front. I must say this looks outstanding. Also the fact that you mentioned sending the new clip to people who had already purchased your other model is a true testament to your character.

bdcheung
03-19-2012, 09:36 PM
Here are some pics of an off-set extender prototype for the AIWB-CDA. About 30% of the users who get the holster feel it is a little thick with the loop riding right over the gun, though they still love the comfort.

Instead of making a thinned, less rigid loop, I decided to try offsetting it. The loop is riding right over the round Tuck pad. This extender will work with the standard loop shipped with each holster.

Once I am confident that this works like I want, it will be standard with all the holsters an no extra charge. Customers who have already bought holsters will get the extender in the mail.
This is the great thing about this holster being so modular.

Jim that looks great and would go a ways towards solving the problem we had been discussing pertaining to my order. Any chance I could get a T&E sample with my order? :-)


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JRCHolsters
03-19-2012, 09:38 PM
Jim that looks great and would go a ways towards solving the problem we had been discussing pertaining to my order. Any chance I could get a T&E sample with my order? :-)


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I'm pretty sure that by the time yours ships, it will have it as a standard included accessory. ;)

JM Campbell
03-19-2012, 09:39 PM
Well done Jim, Class Act Sir!

bdcheung
03-19-2012, 09:57 PM
I'm pretty sure that by the time yours ships, it will have it as a standard included accessory. ;)

Sweet!


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zml342
03-20-2012, 07:47 AM
Jim that looks great and would go a ways towards solving the problem we had been discussing pertaining to my order. Any chance I could get a T&E sample with my order? :-)

bdcheung,

is your cane & derby not working out? I have one on order, but have contemplated canceling it and finding a different holster to go with.

bdcheung
03-20-2012, 07:49 AM
bdcheung,

is your cane & derby not working out? I have one on order, but have contemplated canceling it and finding a different holster to go with.

It's working out just fine. I'm just looking for something tuckable that I can wear with more formal attire.

zml342
03-20-2012, 08:30 AM
It's working out just fine. I'm just looking for something tuckable that I can wear with more formal attire.

Ahh, that makes sense.

JeffJ
03-20-2012, 09:24 AM
[QUOTE=JRCHolsters;60452]Here are some pics of an off-set extender prototype for the AIWB-CDA. About 30% of the users who get the holster feel it is a little thick with the loop riding right over the gun, though they still love the comfort.

Instead of making a thinned, less rigid loop, I decided to try offsetting it. The loop is riding right over the round Tuck pad. This extender will work with the standard loop shipped with each holster.

Once I am confident that this works like I want, it will be standard with all the holsters an no extra charge. Customers who have already bought holsters will get the extender in the mail.
This is the great thing about this holster being so modular.
QUOTE]

Will this work with your tuckable attachment as well? It's like you're in my head with where this holster is going.

JRCHolsters
03-20-2012, 09:40 AM
Jeff, as I play with this, I am hoping it will work with the tuckable loop. Lol, as for being in your head, I am hoping to be in the head of every forum user. The amount of feedback and Information I have gotten on P-F, is what makes this such a great holster.

johnemckenzie
04-06-2012, 04:24 PM
Do any owners of Dale Fricke's Archangel experience...discomfort when you reholster after really heating up you gun?

The open bottom holster seems to be a double edged sword. It allows for more versatility since one holster accommodates a G19, G17, and a G34. However, I assume the barrel and slide of the G17 or G34 protruding out of the holster into your crotch would make you yell, "Goodness! Gracious! Great Balls of Fire!" after sending a large number of rounds downrange.

Am I right or wrong? Has anyone dealt with this issue using an Archangel? Are there any solutions short of asbestos underwear?

phil_in_cs
04-06-2012, 05:09 PM
Mine is officially for a 19, but I've run it with my 34 without problem. Maybe if I was sitting, but at the range, standing, it hasn't been a problem. You can always get the longer one and run your shorter guns in it if you want to carry the shorter one.

Dropkick
04-16-2012, 07:39 PM
Raven Concealment Systems - Vanguard 2
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d132/ComSciDude/Self-Defense/Vanguard2-cropped.jpg

dickmadison
05-15-2012, 05:36 PM
I have an older style Desbiens #4 that I have bubba'd up to work for me for now. I think I bought it at the recommendation of Dr. House on another forum. I'm switching to carrying an M&P9 Full size soon so I am shopping for a good AIWB holster for it. I have a big problem with the grip flagging way out and being a big block under my shirt. To solve that problem with my Desbiens, I added a spacer that is a stop gap measure until I can find a decent holster for the M&P.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ZVWdcpUAyz0/TiIiKIo_p2I/AAAAAAAAAgE/5IfiErUccI4/s640/SANY0014.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-mD6_FcBib3s/TiIiJ-YsBtI/AAAAAAAAAgA/7HC2ppSNviw/s640/SANY0015.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-RGgy6_SVJjs/TiIiJk0swcI/AAAAAAAAAf8/Drn98vobLeM/s640/SANY0016.JPG

this is an amazing idea...i just ducked tape a chapstick tube underneith the pull the dot loop on my arch angel. It really helps! Nice work. Ingenious! Not sure why I didn't think of it! Who needs the perfect holster? I'll make it myself! j/k :)

JV_
05-15-2012, 05:47 PM
You can make them out of Kydex too, this one is on a blade-tech holster (no wait time):

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-MzCc4FJ3KkA/TpwyrbUGmWI/AAAAAAAAAlw/vp84GWzFmjE/s640/IMG_5667.JPG

dickmadison
05-15-2012, 06:04 PM
You can make them out of Kydex too, this one is on a blade-tech holster (no wait time):

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-MzCc4FJ3KkA/TpwyrbUGmWI/AAAAAAAAAlw/vp84GWzFmjE/s640/IMG_5667.JPG

smart move! is that a blade-tech nano? How does the holster work with mod and compare to other holsters you tried?

JV_
05-15-2012, 06:24 PM
is that a blade-tech nano?No, it's a regular (non injection) IWB holster.



How does the holster work with mod and compare to other holsters you tried?It's great, I ran it for a very long time and didn't have any issues. I wish it had a solid loop, but I wasn't motivated enough to make one. FredM used it for a while, he thought it had too much grip tuck, but you can easily make different wedges to change it.

tmoore912
05-15-2012, 06:24 PM
A mod I made to my G17 Archangel.

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/tmoore912/Holsters/AIWB/2012-05-09_20-06-49_288.jpg

dickmadison
05-15-2012, 07:18 PM
Do any owners of Dale Fricke's Archangel experience...discomfort when you reholster after really heating up you gun?

The open bottom holster seems to be a double edged sword. It allows for more versatility since one holster accommodates a G19, G17, and a G34. However, I assume the barrel and slide of the G17 or G34 protruding out of the holster into your crotch would make you yell, "Goodness! Gracious! Great Balls of Fire!" after sending a large number of rounds downrange.

Am I right or wrong? Has anyone dealt with this issue using an Archangel? Are there any solutions short of asbestos underwear?

I've run all my tactical classes with the Dale Fricke Arch Angel in apendix position. None of my guns protrude past the kydex. I've had zero problems whatsoever. I didn't even know the heat could be an issue to your skin. I can't speak for carrying a g17 in a g19 holster but as long as it is covered by kydex, no problems.

dickmadison
05-15-2012, 07:21 PM
No, it's a regular (non injection) IWB holster.


It's great, I ran it for a very long time and didn't have any issues. I wish it had a solid loop, but I wasn't motivated enough to make one. FredM used it for a while, he thought it had too much grip tuck, but you can easily make different wedges to change it.

Great info. Thanks! What are you running now?

dickmadison
05-15-2012, 07:22 PM
A mod I made to my G17 Archangel.

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/tmoore912/Holsters/AIWB/2012-05-09_20-06-49_288.jpg

I like it. What is the white material you are using as a wedge?

JV_
05-15-2012, 07:24 PM
A CCC Shaggy; I'm not shooting that Glock right now.

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dickmadison
05-15-2012, 07:25 PM
thanks for the quick response JV!

tmoore912
05-15-2012, 08:08 PM
I like it. What is the white material you are using as a wedge?

The foam finger from a Number #1 fan glove that I picked up from Michaels. I cut it width wise to make two different sizes for the wedge.

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/tmoore912/Holsters/AIWB/2012-05-09_20-05-03_584.jpg

Kimosabi
05-26-2012, 11:53 AM
I've read thru the entire thread and did not see any account of Garrity's InVictus holster. Since I have one on order with Mark, does anyone have any comments on his holster? I'll be carrying a p2000sk with it.

As a noob, I plan on signing up with Todd's AIWB and AFHF courses when I am proficient with the 3x5 card drills, and when he returns to Pittsburg, KS.

I've been wearing my gun in a Remora holster in the meantime with reasonable concealment.

Remi in KS

TGS
05-26-2012, 03:33 PM
I've read thru the entire thread and did not see any account of Garrity's InVictus holster. Since I have one on order with Mark, does anyone have any comments on his holster? I'll be carrying a p2000sk with it.

As a noob, I plan on signing up with Todd's AIWB and AFHF courses when I am proficient with the 3x5 card drills, and when he returns to Pittsburg, KS.

I've been wearing my gun in a Remora holster in the meantime with reasonable concealment.

Remi in KS

Remi,

Reportedly an excellent holster if you can get one. You should really read this thread, however: Is Mark Garrity Still in Business? (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?1790-Is-Mark-Garrity-still-in-business&highlight=garrity)

Prdator
05-26-2012, 03:38 PM
The foam finger from a Number #1 fan glove that I picked up from Michaels. I cut it width wise to make two different sizes for the wedge.

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/tmoore912/Holsters/AIWB/2012-05-09_20-05-03_584.jpg



That looks like a Familiar Idea!!!!!

IF the foam degrades use the black athletic tape to tape it to the holster, use a U shape around the bottom and then a complete wrap around. It works like a champ!!!

YVK
05-26-2012, 11:18 PM
I've read thru the entire thread and did not see any account of Garrity's InVictus holster. Since I have one on order with Mark, does anyone have any comments on his holster? I'll be carrying a p2000sk with it.

As a noob, I plan on signing up with Todd's AIWB and AFHF courses when I am proficient with the 3x5 card drills, and when he returns to Pittsburg, KS.


I've been wearing my gun in a Remora holster in the meantime with reasonable concealment.

Remi in KS

Invictus is a well thought out and well made holster. I got one from Prdator, he sold his 'cause he is a fanboy of another holster :)
It works well and conceals well but I wish it would support an undercut Glock trigger guard. This is where second hand market fails, cant talk to a builder apriori. I would also like a tiny bit higher ride.
since you're about to drop 170 on a holster, i suggest getting a cheap accessible aiwb rig, figuring out what you want in regards to ride height, trigger guard coverage, loop option and letting Mark know

Prdator
05-27-2012, 08:33 AM
Invictus is a well thought out and well made holster. I got one from Prdator, he sold his 'cause he is a fanboy of another holster :)
It works well and conceals well but I wish it would support an undercut Glock trigger guard. This is where second hand market fails, cant talk to a builder apriori. I would also like a tiny bit higher ride.
since you're about to drop 170 on a holster, i suggest getting a cheap accessible aiwb rig, figuring out what you want in regards to ride height, trigger guard coverage, loop option and letting Mark know

Ha!!! LOL.

Actually the reasons you talked about are the reasons Im a Fan Boy of another holster design! I understand why most holster manufactures make there holsters the way they do, as they make them off blue guns ( as do I) but most don't go that extra mile and incorporate common mods that people do to there guns into there holsters. I Have to undercut the trigger guards of my Glocks so Ive taken that into account on my holsters and the ability to change the ride hight and cant.

Keebsley
06-06-2012, 11:25 AM
Has anyone used the PHLster Skeleton for AIWB? I know Caleb has mentioned that he used it for his M&P Shield before changing to Blade Tech.

MGW
06-06-2012, 03:42 PM
Has anyone used the PHLster Skeleton for AIWB? I know Caleb has mentioned that he used it for his M&P Shield before changing to Blade Tech.

+1...Curious about this holster too.

bdcheung
06-07-2012, 10:34 AM
I sent this via PM to an inquiring member and felt the subjective information may be useful here, too:

I wanted to hold off writing a response until I had some time and experience with the Keeper. It's been a couple weeks now, I've gone through a 2-day course with the Keeper, and I feel that I can accurately answer your questions now.

The JRC AIWB-CDA is an incredibly well crafted holster. The workmanship is top notch and the damned thing is beautiful. Retention is good, concealability is good. It's incredibly modular and offers a fully tuckable configuration. It is my go-to choice when I need deep AIWB concealment.

The Keeper, IMO, is more comfortable. Both tuck the gun and cant the butt into the belly equally, but the foam wedges in the Keeper cause less pressure-related pain on my lower abdominal muscles than does the JRC AIWB-CDA's leather pad. The Keeper has a greater level of retention (being Kydex) and is slimmer (being Kydex).

In the end, if you're only going to buy one, get the one that fits your needs better.

markustlaumann
08-25-2012, 11:08 PM
I'm still new to AIWB carry so I can't compare this to anything else. Here are some pics. Glock 19 and a 1.5" belt.
I went a little crazy with the camera, but I think I covered it pretty well.
Click on the pic to go to the album.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-j3yHJHfIs8w/UDmfEF8V8qI/AAAAAAAAEBI/8Zb4l2T5Ouc/s800/IMG_0044.JPG (https://plus.google.com/photos/113504265317711963762/albums/5780826118978925537?authkey=COvdyNfBlqa1nwE)

Up1911Fan
08-26-2012, 10:39 AM
The exposed muzzle is a deal breaker for me.

markustlaumann
08-26-2012, 11:00 AM
The exposed muzzle is a deal breaker for me.

I can definitely see that as an issue.
I know on certain makes/models he does shroud the entire barrel and will probably do so on request for a Glock.
By default he leaves it open for versatility purposes when a family of pistols can share a holster.

LOKNLOD
08-26-2012, 11:21 AM
I can definitely see that as an issue.
I know on certain makes/models he does shroud the entire barrel and will probably do so on request for a Glock.
By default he leaves it open for versatility purposes when a family of pistols can share a holster.

In the AIWB position the extra length can, for some people, be a benefit even when a shorter gun is being carried. Lots of folks (myself included) prefer a G17 length holster even with a G19 (or 26). It lends some stability to keep the rear of the slide tucked in.

Not to mention, nobody sings songs about the wonderful smell of LOK's nuts roasting on an open slide.

MDS
08-27-2012, 12:23 AM
Not to mention, nobody sings songs about the wonderful smell of LOK's nuts roasting on an open slide.

Yeah, this was my first thought. Wince! If you want a GLOCK tattoo, there are better ways.

texasaggie2005
08-27-2012, 08:01 AM
I'm still new to AIWB carry so I can't compare this to anything else. Here are some pics. Glock 19 and a 1.5" belt.
I went a little crazy with the camera, but I think I covered it pretty well.
Click on the pic to go to the album.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-j3yHJHfIs8w/UDmfEF8V8qI/AAAAAAAAEBI/8Zb4l2T5Ouc/s800/IMG_0044.JPG (https://plus.google.com/photos/113504265317711963762/albums/5780826118978925537?authkey=COvdyNfBlqa1nwE)

With an exposed muzzle like that, is it possible to "pop" the gun upwards in the holster while sitting down or during movement? Not fully unholstered, but at least unseated out of the retention point?

markustlaumann
08-31-2012, 12:06 PM
With an exposed muzzle like that, is it possible to "pop" the gun upwards in the holster while sitting down or during movement? Not fully unholstered, but at least unseated out of the retention point?

I've played with my kids on the floor (learned a lot about positioning here...), ate meals at the table, sat at the computer for hours, raked and moved an acre of grass cuttings, and practiced dry fire from seated and standing. No retention issues so far.

During dry fire between standing and sitting, I don't notice any difference on draw strength required to remove pistol from the holster.

Caveats:
- I've only had it a couple weeks (retention might change with age/use).
- I can't carry at work so my time with it is at home after work (looking at 100ish hours of wear).
- I don't know specific scenarios to test that might help evaluate this (suggestions welcome (burpees?)).

That said, after thinking about Up1911Fan and LOKNLOD's comments, I would order the next one from PHLster fully shrouded in G17 length to avoid this retention concern and help with stability.

markustlaumann
08-31-2012, 07:05 PM
An update now that I'm home and can test the retention.

If I push directly up on the muzzle (vertical force and zero cant), I can dislodge the pistol but could not get it to fully leave the holster. A punt to the groin would probably completely eject it. My wife wouldn't perform the test so no verification...
If I push up at an angle (30ish degrees from either side) the holster rotates and comes out of the top of the pants while the pistol remains fully seated.

Rich
12-19-2013, 08:52 PM
I picked up a Blade-Tech "Nano" IWB holster on whim after receiving an email from PoilceStore.com which is Brownell's LE website: http://www.policestore.com/.aspx/pid=44586/Product/NANO_HOLSTER

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1787/sdc11324x.jpg

After doing some research on the Blade-Tech website it states that the cant of the holster is adjustable from zero to the "FBI" cant. I figured it may work for me for my new Gen4 G17 for appendix carry IWB, so I placed my order. Got it yesterday and I set the belt loops up for zero cant/AIWB.

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/2122/sdc11321v.jpg

The belt loops are also adjustable for belt width:

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9400/sdc11314p.jpg

More pics:

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/4650/sdc11326j.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7779/sdc11327c.jpg

These pics were taken in a mirror so everything is reversed:

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7209/sdc11331p.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/4249/sdc11333i.jpg

Pro's:
Very comfortable.
Good retention.
Smooth draw and re-holster.
Offers the best full grip on the pistol of any AWIB holster I have tried thus far. (My normal carry is a CCC "Looper" for my M&P9 f/s)
Full sweat guard.
Price: $60 (I got mine for $50 shipped with my LE discount)

Con's:
Since it rides slightly higher than other AWIB holster I have tried, it seems to "print" more. Now, the G17 is a bigger pistol than I am used to carrying so a smaller pistol like my M&P9 might conceal better but the ride hight seems to cause it to be less concealable for me.
Build quality doesn't seem to be on-par with the other custom options on the market. (Only time will tell)

Order the same holster for my P30S.
I totally agree the ride height is a little high. and could go down some.

Its to bad because the retired model bladetech IWB was perfect!

MrMcCrackin
11-27-2014, 11:21 AM
This is a great thread, just wanted to bump this up and hopefully get more input form folks!

I have a local custom kydex holster maker making me a rig