Why the P30

[JohnK]

I hate to see a good thread get lost in time. For those of you still running the P30 LEM versus getting caught up in the VP9 craze did you wind up adding the short reset kit? Is it worth the difference or do you think it was just a marginal improvement?

While I am mostly on the 1911 train because I have ingredients to make food for it, I just installed the grayguns kit in both my p30 and p30sk two days ago. While I haven't shot either and it may be a few weeks before I get a chance to, they feel almost as good as my lazy wolf reduced reset package on my P30L from years ago. I think it is definitely worth the money and really negates the need for the extra expense of shipping and having the gun worked over. Just my $0.02.

[1slow]

I have shot and carried the P30 LEM V1 since about 2013.

I am transitioning to the USP45, USP 9mm with LEM/Match hybrid trigger. I like these USPs better than the P30 LEM V1 because:

More rectangular grip fits my XL hands better and locks in and resists twisting better.
I shoot them better even with much less experience with them.
Better accuracy, same times in 9mm, .45 slightly slower. I am slightly more accurate with the USP45.

Read GJM and DB on HK USP LEM / Match hybrid.

At one Tac-Con, I shot the PX4s that Mr. Langdon had there, very impressive and easy to shoot.

[Sig_Fiend]

I hate to see a good thread get lost in time. For those of you still running the P30 LEM versus getting caught up in the VP9 craze did you wind up adding the short reset kit? Is it worth the difference or do you think it was just a marginal improvement?

I think I'm only at ~2yrs carrying a P30 LEM, but I've lost track of time at this point. I've added the GGI short reset kit to mine. For me, being a Glock shooter for a decent amount of time and used to short resets, the GGI kit eliminated with my issue in short stroking the reset. In terms of "worth", I think it's a matter of what trigger characteristics you're used to, prefer, and have significant repetition with.

Oh, I also have a VP9, now a P2000, and hopefully soon a USP9C. This particular H&K magazine family is a self-propagating virus that will demand your acquisition of all models it supports. You've been warned! ;) jk

[fpnunes]

I think I'm only at ~2yrs carrying a P30 LEM, but I've lost track of time at this point. I've added the GGI short reset kit to mine. For me, being a Glock shooter for a decent amount of time and used to short resets, the GGI kit eliminated with my issue in short stroking the reset. In terms of "worth", I think it's a matter of what trigger characteristics you're used to, prefer, and have significant repetition with.

Oh, I also have a VP9, now a P2000, and hopefully soon a USP9C. This particular H&K magazine family is a self-propagating virus that will demand your acquisition of all models it supports. You've been warned! ;) jk

To late, I've been collecting, selling and then replacing an HK collection for over two decades. HK hates us and we love them more for it :p

Thanks for the replies guys. I've never short stroked a P30 LEM trigger but starting to think it would be nice to reduce my shot to shot times (or I will when I can practice with more than a 100 rounds ever other week!).

[jeep45238]

I figure I'll dump into this thread instead of the P30 revisited one - this is the most recently updated, and larger of the two I found on here (the other one https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?19315-HK-P30-Revisited )

When 2020 happened I was working at a gun store that was cased, with multiple break in attempts, and rolled with a shorty/light 5.56 combo on the passenger seat during my commute to and from. I quickly questioned the sanity of a 1911 early on when the news showed city streets blockaded, fires happening, and chase vehicles going after any car that broke the blockade. I dismissed a 2011 due to pricing, and landed on a VP9 over the PPQ because I wouldn't loose my rear sight if I went with an optic (PDP addressed that). After the purchase I took out the P30 from the rental case to see if I could quantify adding a P30 in addition to the VP9, and couldn't tell much of a difference in recoil to justify the price gap between the VP9 and the P30. I put the P30 away and didn't think much of it.

I grabbed a B92 and did the usual upgrades to it, because I've found that shooting TDA tends to make ALL of my other shooting easier. But, I unloaded my B92 w EL's trigger job in a bag after talking with a friend for a long time about TDA guns, and they pointed out that a likely reason I DON'T carry the B92 often is my lack of holster options. And that with my plethora of VP9 mags I might be better served with a P30.

That jerk. I found a P30 for $560 after shipping and transfer a couple weeks back, and find myself going for it more than the VP9's.

Anyway, after LTT's TJB setup, I sent out a VP9 to Grey guns, and have had the itch for the custom touch on pretty much everything else. I contacted Grey Guns about the work they do on the P30, and essentially they NP3 coat the internals and install their short reset kit, with them expressly stating that any reduction in trigger pull would be from the reduced friction in the gun. I stripped the P30 down, looked up the parts diagrams, and dug in a little bit. I then polished the sides of the fire control group that rub against each other (holding the gun vertical, the left and right sides of the catch, sear, etc.) to a mirror shine, and the hammer strut treated the same. I ordered and installed the Grey Guns short reset into the P30, and put it all back together and just smiled at it.

Basically, take a B92 with a spring slightly lighter than a D spring - and that's what you get, but in a P30 platform. The trigger is NOTHING like a LTT TJB setup, but it is MILES ahead of the factory. Double action pull is 8lb 3oz average, single action is 3lb 11oz average, with the factory hammer spring. Putting in the 11 pound spring would put this gun into the cheating territory. Reset is just about what I remember a factory Beretta 92 being with the Grey guns kit, which does include a reduced power firing pin block spring.

After loading the 18 or so mags I did some dot torture in 10*F weather without gloves or hand warmers, starting with the P30, then a stock VP9 with factory irons, then the Grey Guns VP9 with a 509T. The targets are not that different from each other, but the effort required for a dot equipped tricked VP9 was just...easy button. I still prefer the TDA guns given all the reasons previously discussed on this forum (thumbed hammer, springs at rest, "are you sure" first shot), and the P30 rides in a Dark Star gear holster converted to fixed retention and the sweat guard cut off.

I have every intention of getting a LEM setup in the 4.1 configuration for doing some local classes, as it should help bridge the gap between "NOW" trigger smashing and "use the figgin sights" without the weight of a true TDA setup.


So yeah, I think the P30 V3 is still relevant given the Volkspistol VP9, the PDP, and the rush to have "light switch on/off" triggers the common gun buyer is lusting after these days. And I think the 4.1 is going to have a huge benefit as a demo pistol - along my personal shooting by helping to make sure that I let the sights run the show, not my trigger finger. The LEM is so unlike any other trigger setup I've ever used from a speed perspective, but I do recall pretty much stacking rounds onto of each other without much effort in the past on a P2000.



Current P30 setup:
factory hammer spring
Polished finish on all vertical serfaces in the fire control group (recesses and pin holes left alone)
Polished vertical surfaces that rub on the sear spring
Nickel coated sear spring
Grey Guns short reset kit (with lightened firing pin block spring)
Black nail polish over the dots on the rear sight
Double action pull is 8lb 3oz average, single action is 3lb 11oz average

The gun looks completely stock from the outside, but it doesn't run like the trigger-muchny super long travel I was expecting at the start of this journey. Reset is still positive. And it runs with all the VP9 mags I have, and has holster comparability with the Dark Star Gear offering.

[Noah]

I figure I'll dump into this thread instead of the P30 registered one - this is the most recently updated, and larger of the two I found on here (the other one https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?19315-HK-P30-Revisited )



The small gun world- we're friends on Facebook. If and when HK produces an optics ready P30, I'll buy and carry one. I know Wright Armory and others have more and more milling options, but I like when things don't take months and hundreds of dollars of work out of the box to be what I want.

[jeep45238]

The small gun world- we're friends on Facebook. If and when HK produces an optics ready P30, I'll buy and carry one. I know Wright Armory and others have more and more milling options, but I like when things don't take months and hundreds of dollars of work out of the box to be what I want.

I kinda thought so. We should ping Marcus for a bit of tech nerdy range time, I'm less than 2 miles from him. I don't think the demand is there so much for the P30 to run with an optic, but if they rotated the firing pin retaining pin 90* and ran a shorter extractor roll pin it might be doable for a factory option. I don't think that'll happen.

[Default.mp3]

Rumor has it that Langdon will be coming back to the fold:

Yes, I spoke with Ernie the other day. He's working to offer a similar set of offerings as we have seen with the Beretta pistols, focusing on the P30 series. Source: https://www.hkpro.com/threads/langdon-tactical-hks-on-the-way.546894/#post-3949147

[Bergeron]

I've got Glocks and 1911s, I don't need to even think about any other designs.

Buuuuttt.....A smart set of Optics options on USPs.....

[Ichiban]

Rumor has it that Langdon will be coming back to the fold:
Source: https://www.hkpro.com/threads/langdon-tactical-hks-on-the-way.546894/#post-3949147

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[backtrail540]

p/Cb2Wo1FrOdf

Looks so. I was wrong about the gadget being photo dropped and when i saw this the other day i decided to take the other tact and assume ltt p30's are coming :cool:

[Noah]

p/Cb2Wo1FrOdf

Looks so. I was wrong about the gadget being photo dropped and when i saw this the other day i decided to take the other tact and assume ltt p30's are coming :cool:

Might want to check LTT's IG stories for a P30 with a dot.

[backtrail540]

Indeed... here are some screenshots for the non ig equipped folks. Second (3rd?) P30 revival coming in...

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[Hstanton1]

Dammit I thought I was done with the P30…

It’s a pipe dream, but if LTT could somehow put out parts that increased the girth of the grip between the trigger and the beaver tail area I’d be all in. That’s my single biggest issue with the P30/VP9, and makes it very hard for me to get good recoil mitigation on either.

[Sig_Fiend]

Dammit I thought I was done with the P30…

It’s a pipe dream, but if LTT could somehow put out parts that increased the girth of the grip between the trigger and the beaver tail area I’d be all in. That’s my single biggest issue with the P30/VP9, and makes it very hard for me to get good recoil mitigation on either.

THIS. This all day long. What those platforms need is a backstrap option similar to the P2K Large and XL backstraps that extend into the arch area and increase length of pull. That's where larger hands really need the size difference.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

Right when I was considering selling my P30L and P30SK. Not sure how to feel about this, it's been what I've wanted for years and now that's it's coming I am having trouble getting excited about this. Too little too late?

[Hstanton1]

THIS. This all day long. What those platforms need is a backstrap option similar to the P2K Large and XL backstraps that extend into the arch area and increase length of pull. That's where larger hands really need the size difference.

I wonder if it’s viable for someone to 3D print such a backstrap.

[Default.mp3]

I'm not particularly excited myself because I don't see myself getting any more P30s, and I can't imagine that LTT would offer a service that I don't already have done. If this had been a year ago, very different story, but alas, for me, I think I'm done buying P30s (I'm sticking with the platform, just don't see the need to buy additional copies now that I'll be at three).

[MolonLabe416]

My P30SK LEM is a fine pistol. Let’s hope he offers the series.

[GJM]

Other LTT goodness aside, I am particularly interested in how the optic solution works. If a full size handgun platform doesn't do an optic well, it is of limited interest to me circa 2022.

[David S.]

I'm guessing they'll be using the Wright Armory dot solution.

[FreedomFries]

I'm guessing they'll be using the Wright Armory dot solution.

Same guess. Didn't Wright Armory do the original PX4 RDO for them using the modified MOS plate?

[Default.mp3]

I'm guessing they'll be using the Wright Armory dot solution.That would be my SWAG, too; might work well, too, given their physical proximity to each other. If the i-DOT solution is viable, why re-invent the wheel? Though going through LTT might give a better CS outcome than Wright directly, so there's th at.

[HCM]

Dammit I thought I was done with the P30…

It’s a pipe dream, but if LTT could somehow put out parts that increased the girth of the grip between the trigger and the beaver tail area I’d be all in. That’s my single biggest issue with the P30/VP9, and makes it very hard for me to get good recoil mitigation on either.

This ^^^^

[JohnK]

As a fella who has been taking into serious consideration the change from a 1911 to my P30s, what would interest me would be an upper with a dot system already attached that I can toss on my existing model. I'm already satisfied with where it is at and don't have the need for any additional work to be done to my examples.

[Sig_Fiend]

This ^^^^

Considering it sounds like there's some interest (okay 3 of us at least LOL) in aftermarket backstrap options (or something that increases LOP), does anyone know someone we could take this idea to? PM me if you do. Last year I reached out to a few that 3D print various gun parts like base plates, and none of them wanted anything to do with it. If there's someone anyone knows/trusts, I'll drop a grand right now just to encourage the R&D for it, and I'll buy 10X of the finished product.

[Hstanton1]

Considering it sounds like there's some interest (okay 3 of us at least LOL)

There are dozens of us! Dozens!

[TicTacticalTimmy]

Considering it sounds like there's some interest (okay 3 of us at least LOL) in aftermarket backstrap options (or something that increases LOP), does anyone know someone we could take this idea to? PM me if you do. Last year I reached out to a few that 3D print various gun parts like base plates, and none of them wanted anything to do with it. If there's someone anyone knows/trusts, I'll drop a grand right now just to encourage the R&D for it, and I'll buy 10X of the finished product.


It would be pretty cool if LTT made a backstrap like that, and sold it with matching pre-stippled side panels

[Hstanton1]

It would be pretty cool if LTT made a backstrap like that, and sold it with matching pre-stippled side panels

I wonder how hard it would be for LTT to get an OEM to do that. Wilson Combat supposedly used the same OEM as Sig for their P320 frames.

[awmp]

So in looking for info on the P30 I found this thread and I thought I would revive it a little.

LTT is now milling P30 slides for red dots and that may be my next stop.

1911/2011 guy that just picked up a P30 with a Safety, going to the range in a few days.

The pistol feels so good in my hands, it is hammer fired, what's not to love?

[EVP]

The pistol feels so good in my hands, it is hammer fired, what's not to love?


How it shoots…….





J/k most here at PF really like the guns. A bunch of people have spent some good time with them and really come to enjoy the p30 series pistols. They are excellent pistols, reliable, accurate, durable. The only nitpick is that they are not as shootable as other current pistols no matter how much money you spend on trigger upgrades. For a defensive carry gun I don’t think you can go wrong with a p30.

[Default.mp3]

The pistol feels so good in my hands, it is hammer fired, what's not to love?

DA sucks even with trigger work
Not optic ready, so you have to spend a lot of extra money to get an optic on it
Holster selection is limited, especially on the retention side
Manual safety sits too high for many 1911 shooters
Slide release is on the long side
OEM threaded barrel is 13.5×1 LH


I am currently pot committed to the P30LS, since I have literally like 3k USD worth of mags and over a decade worth of experience on it (and no other centerfired handgun), but to be perfectly honest, if I was starting from scratch today, I would probably go with the Glock Gen5.

[Oldherkpilot]

DA sucks even with trigger work
Not optic ready, so you have to spend a lot of extra money to get an optic on it
Holster selection is limited, especially on the retention side
Manual safety sits too high for many 1911 shooters
Slide release is on the long side
OEM threaded barrel is 13.5×1 LH


I am currently pot committed to the P30LS, since I have literally like 3k USD worth of mags and over a decade worth of experience on it (and no other centerfired handgun), but to be perfectly honest, if I was starting from scratch today, I would probably go with the Glock Gen5.

Have you already replaced your slide stop with the short version? If not, its the ticket. I have a spare left after selling a P30, if you want to give it a try.

[Evil_Ed]

DA sucks even with trigger work



Maybe I'm the weirdo but swapping the firing pin block spring to the factory light spring, and swapping the hammer spring for the USP Match hammer spring (so we're staying with HK factory springs all around), and the DA is a lot more serviceable. I don't feel that the DA pull needs any more than that...but that's just me.

If you can't find an HK USP Match hammer spring, an 11lb spring from Lazy Wolf is a good substitute; the factory USP match spring weight is between 10 and 11lb, so erring on the side of caution and going 11 is 'safer'. The P30 uses the same spring part number as the USP so the springs are cross compatible.

It won't help with the grit in the trigger...but it makes the trigger a lot more manageable.

[Default.mp3]

Have you already replaced your slide stop with the short version? If not, its the ticket. I have a spare left after selling a P30, if you want to give it a try.I have the P30LS, so it's already shorter than the normal P30/P30L one. I haven't tried the ultra short ones before (part 227705), but honestly, it's not a big deal, I really only notice it only when shooting with gloves, it was me grasping at any possible perceived shortcomings. I do appreciate the offer though.


Maybe I'm the weirdo but swapping the firing pin block spring to the factory light spring, and swapping the hammer spring for the USP Match hammer spring (so we're staying with HK factory springs all around), and the DA is a lot more serviceable. I don't feel that the DA pull needs any more than that...but that's just me.

If you can't find an HK USP Match hammer spring, an 11lb spring from Lazy Wolf is a good substitute; the factory USP match spring weight is between 10 and 11lb, so erring on the side of caution and going 11 is 'safer'. The P30 uses the same spring part number as the USP so the springs are cross compatible.

It won't help with the grit in the trigger...but it makes the trigger a lot more manageable.I have the GGI RRCPP on two of my P30LSes, and the DA is simply meh even with that work, far inferior to something like a good DA on a SIG P-series or Beretta 9x. That being said, again, grasping at straws, it's perfectly manageable, just not great.

[TheNewbie]

Can you add a safety to an LEM P30?

[Default.mp3]

Can you add a safety to an LEM P30?Not really. Easier way would be to convert a P30S DA/SA to LEM, though that would void the warranty.

[Mitch]

Edit…nvm got beat to it.

[awmp]

Great question, I was about to ask the same question.

QUOTE=Mitch;1400556]Edit…nvm got beat to it.[/QUOTE]

[TheNewbie]

Not really. Easier way would be to convert a P30S DA/SA to LEM, though that would void the warranty.


I guess the only way to get an LEM with a manual safety is to go USP or HK45/HK45c.


There was a small run of long slide LEMs with thumb safeties.

[LtDave]

That would be the P30LS. Here’s one in .40 S&W:

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[Oldherkpilot]

I sent a short slide stop to another member but it appears his P30 came from the factory with one. The P30L in the preceding post also has a short slide stop in a shorter recess on the frame. How did I miss this and when did this change come around?
Shown is one of my P30s with a short SS installed and a stock SS below it.
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[Default.mp3]

I sent a short slide stop to another member but it appears his P30 came from the factory with one. The P30L in the preceding post also has a short slide stop in a shorter recess on the frame. How did I miss this and when did this change come around?
Shown is one of my P30s with a short SS installed and a stock SS below it.
95188I can't say I'm aware of any changes to the P30 or P30L, but for the previously posted P30LS, those come from the factory with the shorter slide release, as do the P30S, as they have the safety that would probably interfere with the normal length slide release.

[Oldherkpilot]

I can't say I'm aware of any changes to the P30 or P30L, but for the previously posted P30LS, those come from the factory with the shorter slide release, as do the P30S, as they have the safety that would probably interfere with the normal length slide release.

That's it! His is a safety model, so you've cracked it for me. Thanks for the lesson.

[awmp]

Bingo!


That's it! His is a safety model, so you've cracked it for me. Thanks for the lesson.

[awmp]

Finally made it to the range.

The double action / single action was different from what I normally shoot. The flyers were the double action.

I fired over 200 rounds, not a single issue. The fit and feel of the pistol in the hand were nice.

I'm going to continue to shoot it, I'm on the fence about going LEM or just working more with the double action / single action. This is the only pistol I have that is da/sa.

More to follow...


https://i.imgur.com/NQ9E6mH.jpg

[TheNewbie]

Finally made it to the range.

The double action / single action was different from what I normally shoot. The flyers were the double action.

I fired over 200 rounds, not a single issue. The fit and feel of the pistol in the hand were nice.

I'm going to continue to shoot it, I'm on the fence about going LEM or just working more with the double action / single action. This is the only pistol I have that is da/sa.

More to follow...


https://i.imgur.com/NQ9E6mH.jpg



How do you like the safety compared to a 1911 or M&P?

[awmp]

I like the safety, 1911/2011 guy. It could be just a little thinner but I like having it.

The DA/SA is a different animal, especially the DA, something you have to think about but got better with time.

The safety itself is not in a perfect position like a 1911 or even an M&P, but it is also not a show stopper either.


How do you like the safety compared to a 1911 or M&P?

[Squib308]

Since I am now carrying my P30 V3 about half the time (still my G17 the other half) I decided to collect some chronograph data from the P30 with my carry ammo. The G17 has always yielded good MV for any ammo, typically meeting or exceeding MV reported from manufacturer. Despite the P30 having over half inch shorter barrel (around 0.6") I was really surprised by the high MV from the P30. Next trip I'll run some other ammo types and the P30L as well. Since this is an all-copper projectile I'm not sure if it's an outlier result compared to more standard copper jacketed lead bullets. Regardless it's nice to see that with the P30 I'm not giving up much performance to the G17! Below were all 5 shot groups of data.

Underwood xtreme defender 90 gr +P (factory reported MV 1475 ft/s)

G17.4 - 4.48" barrel
MV 1485
ES 53
SD 18

P30 V3 - 3.85" barrel
MV 1480
ES 46
SD 16

CZ P07 - 3.75" barrel
MV 1447
ES 24
SD 8

[awmp]

Great post.
Really curious to see what your p30L reads. Surprised at the difference between the g17 and p30.
How do you carry your p30? What holster setup?
Thanks

QUOTE=Squib308;1404055]Since I am now carrying my P30 V3 about half the time (still my G17 the other half) I decided to collect some chronograph data from the P30 with my carry ammo. The G17 has always yielded good MV for any ammo, typically meeting or exceeding MV reported from manufacturer. Despite the P30 having over half inch shorter barrel (around 0.6") I was really surprised by the high MV from the P30. Next trip I'll run some other ammo types and the P30L as well. Since this is an all-copper projectile I'm not sure if it's an outlier result compared to more standard copper jacketed lead bullets. Regardless it's nice to see that with the P30 I'm not giving up much performance to the G17! Below were all 5 shot groups of data.

Underwood xtreme defender 90 gr +P (factory reported MV 1475 ft/s)

G17.4 - 4.48" barrel
MV 1485
ES 53
SD 18

P30 V3 - 3.85" barrel
MV 1480
ES 46
SD 16

CZ P07 - 3.75" barrel
MV 1447
ES 24
SD 8[/QUOTE]

[TicTacticalTimmy]

That is interesting. It seems like MV changes from barrel to barrel for the exact same gun, though I always thought Glocks tended to run a little faster than average due to the polygonal rifling. Is your G17 a new G5 with the conventional rifling?

[Casey]

Anybody every experience the hammer smacking the web of their hand while the gun cycles? I don't have particularly huge hands—I wear size large gloves—but with the medium backstrap and a high grip, I would end up a nice welt on the meaty part on the web of my hand after a range session. I sold off my P30L, so no longer an issue for me, but curious as to whether anyone else experienced this. (Switching to the small backstrap seemed to fix this, but made the grip a bit too small for my liking.)

[Evil_Ed]

Anybody every experience the hammer smacking the web of their hand while the gun cycles? I don't have particularly huge hands—I wear size large gloves—but with the medium backstrap and a high grip, I would end up a nice welt on the meaty part on the web of my hand after a range session. I sold off my P30L, so no longer an issue for me, but curious as to whether anyone else experienced this. (Switching to the small backstrap seemed to fix this, but made the grip a bit too small for my liking.)

I have XL-sized hands and use both the large backstrap and side panels, and no problems at all. I also don't get my finger pinched/gouged by the bottom of the trigger guard unlike some people do, so YMMV? I've had my hands eaten by 1911s and old rowel hammered BHPs plenty, so I generally try to avoid it and don't really keep guns around that eat my hand if I can help it.

I also shoot/carry a P30L, DA/SA; no thumb safety, not LEM.

[Squib308]

awmp
JMCK AIWB holster. No wing. Extra tuck option. No wedge or “junk pillow”. I have the exact same holster in P30 and P30L length. Both work well. I’m currently using the DCC monoblock but my preference is pull-the-dot loops. Mag carrier is JMCK with DCC monoblock. For mag carrier the monoblock is great as it holds tighter to the belt (prevents roll out away from the belt line) but I don’t fit it necessary for the pistol holster. If you want any pics or more details happy to provide.

TicTacticalTimmy
G17.4 = gen 4 = polygonal rifling. I have a G17.5 to compare but I’d like to keep the P30 comparison mostly against other polygonal barrels.

[awmp]

Pics? Sounds like a good setup, any issues with it?


awmp
JMCK AIWB holster. No wing. Extra tuck option. No wedge or “junk pillow”. I have the exact same holster in P30 and P30L length. Both work well. I’m currently using the DCC monoblock but my preference is pull-the-dot loops. Mag carrier is JMCK with DCC monoblock. For mag carrier the monoblock is great as it holds tighter to the belt (prevents roll out away from the belt line) but I don’t fit it necessary for the pistol holster. If you want any pics or more details happy to provide.

TicTacticalTimmy
G17.4 = gen 4 = polygonal rifling. I have a G17.5 to compare but I’d like to keep the P30 comparison mostly against other polygonal barrels.

[Squib308]

Pics? Sounds like a good setup, any issues with it?

No issues at all, but I’ve been using JMCK AIWB rigs for years now. Tony’s work is impeccable. Combine with a P30 and it’s about as good as it gets for me!

95471

P30L holster is on the R. It’s barely noticeable difference. Main reason I carry the P30 is easier to draw and clear holster from seated position and I have more experience w the P30. At some point I may switch to the P30L who knows.

[awmp]

Many thanks, really nice setup!



No issues at all, but I’ve been using JMCK AIWB rigs for years now. Tony’s work is impeccable. Combine with a P30 and it’s about as good as it gets for me!

95471

P30L holster is on the R. It’s barely noticeable difference. Main reason I carry the P30 is easier to draw and clear holster from seated position and I have more experience w the P30. At some point I may switch to the P30L who knows.

[dontshakepandas]

No issues at all, but I’ve been using JMCK AIWB rigs for years now. Tony’s work is impeccable. Combine with a P30 and it’s about as good as it gets for me!

95471

P30L holster is on the R. It’s barely noticeable difference. Main reason I carry the P30 is easier to draw and clear holster from seated position and I have more experience w the P30. At some point I may switch to the P30L who knows.

Well, this just caused me to order a P30L holster from Tony. I don't even know why, I already have one.

This place costs me too much damn money.

[TheNewbie]

Can you easily reduce the trigger pull weight/feel in HK by switching out the hammer spring? Along the lines of switching a Beretta 92 spring to a D spring?

[oldtexan]

Can you easily reduce the trigger pull weight/feel in HK by switching out the hammer spring? Along the lines of switching a Beretta 92 spring to a D spring?

By switching to different HK versions of the trigger return spring (TRS), hammer spring (HS), and firing pin block spring (FPBS), you can get P30 trigger pulls that vary in their weight and other characteristics. There are at least five different combinations available from the factory (V1 Light LEM, V2 Standard LEM, V3 DA/SA, V4, and V6 DAO) and at least one non-factory combination made popular by the late great Todd Louis Green, all using HK OEM parts. If you google "HK LEM spring chart" you can find a lot more info on this.

Not all factory versions can be readily converted to all the other combinations because of other version-specific parts. For example if you started with a factory LEM gun in V1 (which lacks a decocker) and wanted to make it a V3 DS/SA, there's no way I'm aware of to retrofit a decocking lever, and you would need to change other internal parts as well. Switching around among the various LEM versions is simply a matter of changing springs.

[TheNewbie]

By switching to different HK versions of the trigger return spring (TRS), hammer spring (HS), and firing pin block spring (FPBS), you can get P30 trigger pulls that vary in their weight and other characteristics. There are at least five different combinations available from the factory (V1 Light LEM, V2 Standard LEM, V3 DA/SA, V4, and V6 DAO) and at least one non-factory combination made popular by the late great Todd Louis Green, all using HK OEM parts. If you google "HK LEM spring chart" you can find a lot more info on this.

Not all factory versions can be readily converted to all the other combinations because of other version-specific parts. For example if you started with a factory LEM gun in V1 (which lacks a decocker) and wanted to make it a V3 DS/SA, there's no way I'm aware of to retrofit a decocking lever, and you would need to change other internal parts as well. Switching around among the various LEM versions is simply a matter of changing springs.


Would changing the hammer spring alone do much of anything? Say in a DA/SA gun?

[oldtexan]

Would changing the hammer spring alone do much of anything? Say in a DA/SA gun?

I don't have any experience with the V3 DA/SA, but I think it already has the light hammer spring (HK part 214300), as opposed to the heavy hammer spring (part 214695) used in some other versions. The Trigger Return Spring IIRC is also the light one.

The Firing Pin Block spring in the V3 DA/SA is the heavy one, however. I have no idea what difference changing that to the light one would bring.

I think that the main reason that the DA/SA V3 has a heavy DA pull (roughly 12 lbs) even with a light hammer spring is because in DA mode you are overcoming the full power of the spring only with your trigger finger. In the LEM guns (which is what I have) an internal 'hammer' (but not the external hammer) is pre-cocked by the slide movement after the previous shot. This pre-cocking of the internal hammer reduces the trigger pull somewhat (to somewhere between 4.5 and 8 lbs depending on the particular LEM version).

If you want a lighter trigger in a p30, I would recommend one of the LEM versions. You get a long pull with about .6" trigger travel to give some protection against unintentional finger movements (from a startle reflex or sympathetic movement), a consistent manageable trigger weight of about 4.5, 6, or 7-8 lbs depending on the specific spring setup, and no decocker to have to remember to work under stress.

Or if you prefer the DA/SA you could go with one of Ernest Langdon's V3 guns over at Langdon Tactical. IIRC he advertises a DA trigger as low as 7 lbs.

[ffhounddog]

The DA/SA does not come with a light spring.

Replacing the hammer spring with a USP compact match spring lowers the DA a little over 8 pounds there is still some creep in The DA pull.

[oldtexan]

The DA/SA does not come with a light spring.

Replacing the hammer spring with a USP compact match spring lowers the DA a little over 8 pounds there is still some creep in The DA pull.

Thanks for correcting that.

[ffhounddog]

No worries I have two P30’s and 3 P2000 that I habe done that. I have Done to 2 p30’s and 2 p2000 with the nickel plated

SKU: HKP-01410 Match Hammer Spring For USP, USPC, HK45- $18.95
SKU: HKP-01955 Firing Pin Block Spring – New Style Light – $7.74
SKU: HKP-01811 Enhanced Match Flat Sear Spring – Nickel Plated $8.95

This is what I use.

There is the lazy wolf springs that is below but I have never used one.
SKU: HKP-18147 HK Reduced Power Hammer Spring – 11 lb. $9.95

[Evil_Ed]

No worries I have two P30’s and 3 P2000 that I habe done that. I have Done to 2 p30’s and 2 p2000 with the nickel plated

SKU: HKP-01410 Match Hammer Spring For USP, USPC, HK45- $18.95
SKU: HKP-01955 Firing Pin Block Spring – New Style Light – $7.74
SKU: HKP-01811 Enhanced Match Flat Sear Spring – Nickel Plated $8.95

This is what I use.

There is the lazy wolf springs that is below but I have never used one.
SKU: HKP-18147 HK Reduced Power Hammer Spring – 11 lb. $9.95

I use the Lazy Wolf spring, no problems. I use the same setup as you; HK match hammer spring/same weight hammer spring from aftermarket and the light firing pin block spring; I don't use the "match" sear spring though. After dryfire and live fire practice, there's no appreciable feel difference between the nickel plated and phosphated sear springs once the phosphated one gets a thousand or so presses on it. The only real appreciable difference is the nickel spring will probably resist saltwater corrosion longer. If you're not jumping into the ocean on the regular, you'll probably be fine with the regular spring..

Edited - on USPs I used to use the nickel spring until I got a used USP45. I replaced the hammer spring in it with a match weight one but didn't touch the sear spring and I really couldn't tell the difference between guns with the nickel spring and the used gun with a worn regular spring in both DA or SA modes. Yeah the nickel sear spring is cheap (relatively) but unless you really need the anti-corrosion properties of it, it's not a necessary "upgrade" IMO...just use the thing and the regular one will wear in.

[JAH 3rd]

Thanks for correcting that.

A couple of years ago I tried the hammer spring that goes into a USP 45 Elite in my standard USP 45. I had the Elite for a bit but sold it. And it had a bunch of factory internal upgrades over the standard USP 45. I was curious to see if a simple hammer spring change would affect the trigger pull. I was disappointed in the results, especially in SA. Due to the lighter hammer spring, I was able to feel the creep in SA mode. Very distracting. And not an appreciable difference in DA mode. I put the original spring back in.

By contrast, when I put the Beretta factory "D" spring in my PX4 Storm the results were amazing. The DA mode was much lighter which contributed to a stable sight picture. The SA action was somewhat improved, but the DA mode was fantastic. I don't have a trigger gauge to give actual pounds of pull. It's 100% reliable too.

One of the many pearls of wisdom (thanks P-F) I have learned here on this website is that one can get away with a lighter hammer spring if the hammer arc is longer. I continue to learn daily!

[P30]

I don't have any experience with the V3 DA/SA, but I think it already has the light hammer spring (HK part 214300), as opposed to the heavy hammer spring (part 214695) used in some other versions. The Trigger Return Spring IIRC is also the light one.

I agree: V3 already has the light hammer spring (214300) and light trigger return spring as it comes from the factory.

There is a hammer spring which is even lighter than 214300. It's HK part 215694 (USP match hammer spring), but I have not tried it in my P30. The P30 does not come with the match hammer spring from the factory in any trigger variant.

hkpro.com/threads/ultimate-hammer-spring-infographic-trying-to-give-back.430746/post-3116170 (https://www.hkpro.com/threads/ultimate-hammer-spring-infographic-trying-to-give-back.430746/post-3116170):
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The Firing Pin Block spring in the V3 DA/SA is the heavy one, however. I have no idea what difference changing that to the light one would bring.

I measured the following trigger pull weights for the P30 V3 (just looked it up in my notes, FPBS = firing pin block spring):

SA trigger pull weight is 5.4 lb (2470 g) with the heavy FPBS and 4.5 lb (2060 g) with the light one.
For DA, I find only the weight with the light FPBS: 9.3 lb (4200 g).

As far as I remember, before switching to the light FPBS, the DA trigger pull weight was also about 1 lb heavier (same difference as for SA).

My favorite trigger variant for the P30 is V4 CH (http://montrala.blogspot.com/2013/06/hk-p30p30l-short-travel-lem-cda-trigger.html). V4 is LEM with medium trigger pull weight, CH means a variant for Swiss police with shorter trigger pre-travel (compared to V4).

[Squib308]

Earlier I posted chronograph data showing the P30 was achieving similar velocities as my G17 gen 4 (G17.4) with my carry ammo. As requested I collected more data and am overall impressed by how the P30 across the board appears to hang with the G17. I brought the G45 since it has the same barrel as a G19 and despite the P30 being under 4" length it tends to chrono like a 4.5 inch barrel. There is also a subtle but measurable decrease in MV going from G17.4 to G17.5. This is presumably due to change in rifling. These are pretty easy for me to acquire so if anyone wants to see a specific comparison or ammo type let me know.

Data are reported as MV / ES / SD



Underwood extreme defender 90 gr +P (my carry load)
5 shots each

G17.4: 1485 / 53 / 18
P07: 1447 / 24 / 8
P30: 1480 / 46 / 16

===
Fiocchi 115 gr FMJ
5 shots each

Beretta 92: 1120 / 47 / 17
G17.5: 1096 / 51 / 20
G17.4: 1121 / 9 / 3
G45: 1087 / 50 / 17
P30: 1112 / 50 / 18
P30L: 1114 / 34 / 13

===
AAC 124 gr FMJ
5 shots each

Beretta 92: 1106 / 31 / 11
G17.5: 1073 / 85 / 29
G17.4: 1115 / 30 / 12
G45: 1068 / 70 / 25
P30: 1108 / 49 / 16
P30L: 1124 / 44 / 15

===
HST 147 gr standard pressure
5 shots each

G17.5: 956 / 49 / 16
P30: 981 / 34 / 12
P30L: 1000 / 23 / 8

===
Underwood Xtreme defender 90gr +P
5 shots each

G17.5: 1471 / 49 / 18
G17.4: 1487 / 23 / 10
P30: 1453 / 31 / 10
P30L: 1495 / 43 / 16

[dontshakepandas]

I've now received my P30sk, P30, and P30L from Langdon Tactical (all LEM with the flat trigger and "light" trigger setup"). I also got my second 509T delivered today (the first one had to go back to Holosun because it had REALLY bad magnification) and got that mounted up.

I've only had a chance to shoot the P30sk so far, but so far I'm very pleased with all of them. The flat trigger really works well for me as I hated the plastic flexing on the stock trigger and it makes the length of pull just slightly further which feels great. I didn't have too much trouble short stroking the reset on a stock LEM v1, but this is definitely an improvement and I really can't tell much of a difference in reset between this and a Glock unless I'm really focusing on that. I really prefer the paddle release to the button type, but still need to train myself to get used to that. The factory texture on the full size models is so nice, and such an upgrade from Glocks. Of course, my favorite part is having that hammer for reholstering. All of my Glocks had SCDs, but the hammer just gives more feedback, takes less effort to block, and has a greater margin of error since it has more travel.

I still don't love using a Chinese optic, but I do have to admit that the window on the 509T is nicer than the Acros I was using on my Glocks. The glass definitely isn't as nice, but it definitely feels less like looking through a tube.

The only cons I've found so far are the BIUS are BARELY visible through the optic. I wish they were able to get the 509T just a hair lower so the sights were a bit more visible, but I think they'll work just fine for back up purposes and I'd probably prefer this over even taller irons. Also, the while the cerakote finish looks amazing, it is just a bit slicker than the factory finish and makes the shallow front serrations a bit harder to grip. Maybe that will improve with time and wear.

I'm so used to Glocks that its going to take a bit to get used to, but I really love the peace of mind these give me for AIWB. Even if I'm never able to shoot these quite as quick as I could my Glocks, I think that trade off is worth increases in safety for my uses.

95877

[dontshakepandas]

Here is a picture of the BUIS site picture. They are LOW.

95944

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

Serious question : why not just carry V3 DA/SA in SA mode? It's not like it's that light or short and I would wager the P320 is much less safe/margin for error and this is riding in the holsters of many cops now. I know the LEM was designed to sort of compete with SFA pistols but really I see the V3 SA mode to be more like a Glock trigger than the LEM.

[dontshakepandas]

I would wager the P320 is much less safe/margin for error and this is riding in the holsters of many cops now.

I think this is a better argument for not carrying a P320 than for carrying a v3 P30 in SA only without a safety. I wouldn't be comfortable carrying either of those options.

[Jay585]

Here is a picture of the BUIS site picture. They are LOW.

I like that very much! I prefer the larger window availability. Why do you prefer taller irons?

EDIT: Would putting a different optic on raise the profile of the irons? Such as an RMR?

[TheNewbie]

Does anyone have a good idea of a size comparison between the P30 and 92 compact?


I’ve looked at handgun hero for their comparison.

[dontshakepandas]

I like that very much! I prefer the larger window availability. Why do you prefer taller irons?

EDIT: Would putting a different optic on raise the profile of the irons? Such as an RMR?

I wouldn't say that I prefer taller irons, and overall I'm very happy with this setup. I definitely prefer this setup over BUIS that take up too much of the window. I do think these could probably benefit from being another 1 or 2 mm higher in the window so they are just slightly easier to see without really sacrificing anything in usable window space. The rear notch can be a bit hard to pick up against darker backgrounds as it is since it is so low. Ideally, I'd prefer that to be achieved by lowering the optic rather than putting even taller sights on it, since they are already pretty tall. That likely isn't possible though.

If they were the primary aiming system it would be a definite no go, but since its a back up they work just fine and definitely give a nice usable window for the optic.

[awmp]

I have four 509Ts (2 Glock 45 and 2 Staccatos), Great optics, I started with RMRs and really like the closed emitter, I'm hoping that sometime a U.S. manufacture catches up and makes one.
Really nice setup.


I wouldn't say that I prefer taller irons, and overall I'm very happy with this setup. I definitely prefer this setup over BUIS that take up too much of the window. I do think these could probably benefit from being another 1 or 2 mm higher in the window so they are just slightly easier to see without really sacrificing anything in usable window space. The rear notch can be a bit hard to pick up against darker backgrounds as it is since it is so low. Ideally, I'd prefer that to be achieved by lowering the optic rather than putting even taller sights on it, since they are already pretty tall. That likely isn't possible though.

If they were the primary aiming system it would be a definite no go, but since its a back up they work just fine and definitely give a nice usable window for the optic.

[JTQ]

Does anyone have a good idea of a size comparison between the P30 and 92 compact?


I’ve looked at handgun hero for their comparison.
I expect the P30 will give you a full size grip. The 92 Compact grip will be a tight squeeze.

[TicTacticalTimmy]

I agree 1-2mm higher would be ideal based on your picture. However, I would STRONGLY prefer the buis height you have to buis taking up too much of the window as is more common.

Better to err on the side of too low IMO

[Ichiban]

Does anyone have a good idea of a size comparison between the P30 and 92 compact?


I’ve looked at handgun hero for their comparison.

I have a 92 compact and a P30L if that's any help. If you have something specific, I can check it. Well, except for overall length.
What was lacking in the handgun hero comparison? I've always found their overlays pretty informative.
https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/beretta-92-fs-compact-vs-heckler-koch-p30

[TheNewbie]

I have a 92 compact and a P30L if that's any help. If you have something specific, I can check it. Well, except for overall length.
What was lacking in the handgun hero comparison? I've always found their overlays pretty informative.
https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/beretta-92-fs-compact-vs-heckler-koch-p30


Thank you. It’s a great tool, but I guess I wanted a more exact feel of how they carry IWB or AIWB.

[Clusterfrack]

At a USPSA match last weekend, I had the opportunity to dryfire a LangdonTactical P30 light LEM (https://langdontactical.com/hk-p30-lem-series-pistols-by-ltt/) with a Holosun 507 ACSS. I was VERY impressed and surprised by the excellent trigger pull and reset. Weight was approx 4#, and the trigger reset was almost as short as on a CZ. This hammer-fired HK had a significantly better trigger than any stock Glock I've shot, and comparable to a p320 or p365. Honestly, I don't see the point of a DA/SA HK when the LEM action can be this good.

For his first USPSA match, shooting CO from AIWB with 17 round mags, the P30 shooter did ok. I wouldn't choose the Langdon P30 LEM for competition, but I would carry one and I don't give that endorsement lightly.

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-gwq330i093/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/429/2033/4__99862.1659558520.jpg

[Doc_Glock]

Here is a picture of the BUIS site picture. They are LOW.

95944

I think that is perfect!

[HeavyDuty]

I must be nuts. Certifiable.

With a grand total of ten minutes spent handing a used P30, I just ordered a P30LS, extra magazines, GrayGuns short reset kit and straight trigger and a spring kit. I also have an OWB2 and mag carrier on the way.

[dontshakepandas]

I must be nuts. Certifiable.

With a grand total of ten minutes spent handing a used P30, I just ordered a P30LS, extra magazines, GrayGuns short reset kit and straight trigger and a spring kit. I also have an OWB2 and mag carrier on the way.

Let me know how you like the straight trigger in double action. I really like mine for LEM, but I don't think it would work for me for double action.

[HeavyDuty]

Let me know how you like the straight trigger in double action. I really like mine for LEM, but I don't think it would work for me for double action.

I briefly played around with a P226 with GrayGuns straight trigger last year and I didn’t have any issues. I’ll report back.

[Kanye Wyoming]

I must be nuts. Certifiable.

With a grand total of ten minutes spent handing a used P30, I just ordered a P30LS, extra magazines, GrayGuns short reset kit and straight trigger and a spring kit. I also have an OWB2 and mag carrier on the way.
Among the general population, yes, 9.3 on the certifiable scale.

On the P-F certifiable scale? Gonna say 2.7.

:)

[HeavyDuty]

Among the general population, yes, 9.3 on the certifiable scale.

On the P-F certifiable scale? Gonna say 2.7.

:)

Sadly true.

[dontshakepandas]

I finally got a chance to get to the range to try out my LTT P30 with Holosun 509Tx2, and I'm in love. I put about 200 rounds through it and by the end of the range session I was seeing similar drill times and split times as I saw with my Glocks, but with increased accuracy.

I'm really surprised how much I like the 509T. The glass quality really isn't as good as a P2, but you definitely don't notice that while shooting. The bezels around the window are much thinner on the Holosun and that is very noticeable when shooting. If the Holosun proves to be as durable as a P2, I think it will become my preferred optic.

I had one failure - an underpowered Federal HST 147 that fired but failed to cycle the slide. I had another round from this ammo purchase that resulted in a squib a few months ago, so now I'm not sure if I can trust any of it.

[awmp]

I recently picked up a P30sk and P30L both safety models (1911 guy). I can fire the P30sk just as well as the P30L, pretty crazy. The 13 and 15rd ext mags that I have for the P30sk really pinch my finger but the 10rd finger ext works fine.

I have a P30 at Lone Wolf for trigger work and then off to Langdon for red dot slide work.

Two things I'm working on is with the Luminous Sights, not a fan of CCW carry, and new sights are on order.

The inside trigger guard trench that was designed to make sure your gloves don't cause issues tears up my fingers. The one pistol I have at Lone Wolf is taking that "feature" out, called the Vickers Mod.

[G19Fan]

I finally got a chance to get to the range to try out my LTT P30 with Holosun 509Tx2, and I'm in love. I put about 200 rounds through it and by the end of the range session I was seeing similar drill times and split times as I saw with my Glocks, but with increased accuracy.

I'm really surprised how much I like the 509T. The glass quality really isn't as good as a P2, but you definitely don't notice that while shooting. The bezels around the window are much thinner on the Holosun and that is very noticeable when shooting. If the Holosun proves to be as durable as a P2, I think it will become my preferred optic.

I had one failure - an underpowered Federal HST 147 that fired but failed to cycle the slide. I had another round from this ammo purchase that resulted in a squib a few months ago, so now I'm not sure if I can trust any of it.

For what it is worth. I have a 509T on a G19 that is at 30k+ rounds and going strong. My favorite optic overall even though I edc a eps carry now, I miss the 509T

[HeavyDuty]

The inside trigger guard trench that was designed to make sure your gloves don't cause issues tears up my fingers. The one pistol I have at Lone Wolf is taking that "feature" out, called the Vickers Mod.

I’m curious what that entails - filling or recontouring. I’m suspicious of that part myself but haven’t taken the gun out yet.

[HeavyDuty]

Let me know how you like the straight trigger in double action. I really like mine for LEM, but I don't think it would work for me for double action.


I briefly played around with a P226 with GrayGuns straight trigger last year and I didn’t have any issues. I’ll report back.

I can’t leave well enough alone, so I installed the GG trigger and short reset kit plus various springs yesterday. Yeah, I should have waited until I tested the pistol but I was stuck on a long, boring work call…

Initial impressions of the straight trigger are favorable with absolutely no positioning or reach issues at all. I installed a 12# mainspring, and want to try an 11# since the DA is still on the heavy side. Compared to my LTT 92 Elite, the DA is horrid - but I think it’s workable.

[HeavyDuty]

After working with my new P30LS v3 for a few sessions, I think I want to convert it to LEM. The v3’s DA really isn’t great.

[LOKNLOD]

After working with my new P30LS v3 for a few sessions, I think I want to convert it to LEM. The v3’s DA really isn’t great.

Been looking to find a one-stop shop for the “kit” to experiment with a used P30 I picked up cheap.

[Evil_Ed]

After working with my new P30LS v3 for a few sessions, I think I want to convert it to LEM. The v3’s DA really isn’t great.

V3 DA gets a lot better with an HK USP Match Hammer spring (11lb; you can order an aftermarket one from Lazy Wolf or HKParts..USP, P30, etc all use the same hammer spring), the factory light firing pin block spring, and if you really want you can put in a lighter trigger return spring (there's two lighter versions to choose from, starting from the factory one)...all of which should lighten up the DA pull while keeping factory spring values and not stepping into aftermarket way light springs or anything.

Also done without taking sandpaper, files, or any abrasive substances to any of the internals, either.

Finding a factory USP Match hammer spring can be a little thin at times though so the Lazy Wolf spring is a good substitute, and it's what's in mine right now. No problems with probably 2k rounds of Speer Lawman, Winchester, Remington, and all kinds of other factory 124 and 147gr through it, not to mention probably around 250-300 rounds of HST 147 and 124+P through it (ammo's expensive these days!)

Since all the factory guns use all the same springs (or spring weights, for the things that can't fit the same physical size of spring), it's generally pretty safe to pick from the HK catalog of springs and start mixing and matching. I'm sure there's a few edge cases, but hammer springs are pretty universal and I wouldn't suspect there'd be any issues lurking with changing that.

[HeavyDuty]

V3 DA gets a lot better with an HK USP Match Hammer spring (11lb; you can order an aftermarket one from Lazy Wolf or HKParts..USP, P30, etc all use the same hammer spring), the factory light firing pin block spring, and if you really want you can put in a lighter trigger return spring (there's two lighter versions to choose from, starting from the factory one)...all of which should lighten up the DA pull while keeping factory spring values and not stepping into aftermarket way light springs or anything.

Also done without taking sandpaper, files, or any abrasive substances to any of the internals, either.

Finding a factory USP Match hammer spring can be a little thin at times though so the Lazy Wolf spring is a good substitute, and it's what's in mine right now. No problems with probably 2k rounds of Speer Lawman, Winchester, Remington, and all kinds of other factory 124 and 147gr through it, not to mention probably around 250-300 rounds of HST 147 and 124+P through it (ammo's expensive these days!)

Since all the factory guns use all the same springs (or spring weights, for the things that can't fit the same physical size of spring), it's generally pretty safe to pick from the HK catalog of springs and start mixing and matching. I'm sure there's a few edge cases, but hammer springs are pretty universal and I wouldn't suspect there'd be any issues lurking with changing that.

Mine does have all of that except a 12# instead of 11#. Do you think that would make much difference?

[DanTheWolfman]

work-P30L w XS R3D night sights which some of you might want to consider (my codename would save you $). V3 standard DA/SA would have probably preferred it be Light LEM. Would changing just the Hammer Spring be enough of a difference (and #11 or better #12 to make sure utter reliability with Euro/Nato/M1152 as well as top jhps?) Or does an entire Grey Guns kit be needed? I won't risk doing myself so would need to pay a gunsmith that does my night sight installs to do it so there is some money involved (though he only charges $20 to swap sites so very fair). Even though many do I believe...changing a DA/SA decocker to light LEM is still not recommended by HK correct...or been done so much not a big deal you just got a decocker button on the back for no reason? How big a deal is that or am I wrong about that?

Suggestions, should I just get a Hammer Spring to change and enough difference to make a difference? Is also doing the Trigger Return Spring more involved longer time to pay someone to do, with only a little extra benefit? Is Grey Guns kit that much better than just doing the Hammer Spring swap?
Thank you for any advise.

Why p30L? Recoil control, and Reliability, even if I go dumb/busy and don't Lube it every 3 months at least.

Also, Polygonal High Quality FAST barrels=Velocity...9bple, Underwood 124 +p+ Gold Dots, and M1152 Military Ball all should be in the 1330-1375 range which is damb impressive in a 9mm pistol which will handle that recoil and durability just fine.

SOLD-P30S...because having safety for carry just bugged me always feeling need to make sure safety was not on, when I get older I may go full time LW Commander only but not while I am switching carries up too much. Figured P2000 would be better for CCW anyways if desired & it's lighter than that or other DA/SA ccw options.

[Hunter Rose]

Getting back into regular shooting after a three year hiatus and saw the optic ready LTT P30.

I was initially just planning to get the optic cut on my P30LS, but must say I've always wanted to try LEM and am thinking of just ordering a complete pistol.

Anyone have experience with the LTT LEM trigger mods? I'm looking at getting the LEM with heavy TRS and flat Gray Guns trigger that LTT lists as between 4-4.5lbs (my preferred weight). I'm not a trigger snob by an means and find the SA on my P30LS perfectly useable, but wouldn't mind a shorter reset and a crisper "wall" to push through (like on my USP45 Tactical).

[HeavyDuty]

Getting back into regular shooting after a three year hiatus and saw the optic ready LTT P30.

I was initially just planning to get the optic cut on my P30LS, but must say I've always wanted to try LEM and am thinking of just ordering a complete pistol.

Anyone have experience with the LTT LEM trigger mods? I'm looking at getting the LEM with heavy TRS and flat Gray Guns trigger that LTT lists as between 4-4.5lbs (my preferred weight). I'm not a trigger snob by an means and find the SA on my P30LS perfectly useable, but wouldn't mind a shorter reset and a crisper "wall" to push through (like on my USP45 Tactical).

Please report back if you do this - I have a new LEM P30sk on the way as a possible G26 replacement, and my plan is to have LTT do a trigger job including GG trigger and RDO if I take well to it.

I’m also converting my current P30LS to LEM, the last parts should be here today. I have the GG trigger and SRT in it now, but I haven’t been able to fall in love with the DA although the SA is nice. I also have to admit being curious about how having a decocker on LEM will be in actual use - I’m hoping it will be like my P99c where you can completely decock the pistol or not. If this works out it will get a LTT RDO cut at some point.

[Hunter Rose]

Please report back if you do this - I have a new LEM P30sk on the way as a possible G26 replacement, and my plan is to have LTT do a trigger job including GG trigger and RDO if I take well to it.


Of course I'll post my thoughts if I get a LTT P30 LEM. The LTT package has me interested in giving it a try.

The smarter thing to do is probably just add the optic cut to my P30LS, but since I've been out of shooting for awhile, it seemed like the best time to try a pistol with a new trigger system, since I'll definitely need some range time to get back to a decent proficiency level.

Just curious to here thoughts from anyone who has the LTT package with straight trigger and if they liked it better than just the standard HK LEM setup with normal trigger.

[dontshakepandas]

Of course I'll post my thoughts if I get a LTT P30 LEM. The LTT package has me interested in giving it a try.

The smarter thing to do is probably just add the optic cut to my P30LS, but since I've been out of shooting for awhile, it seemed like the best time to try a pistol with a new trigger system, since I'll definitely need some range time to get back to a decent proficiency level.

Just curious to here thoughts from anyone who has the LTT package with straight trigger and if they liked it better than just the standard HK LEM setup with normal trigger.

I thought the straight trigger was a huge improvement over the factory trigger. It felt better, increased trigger reach, and got rid of the flex in the factory part which always really annoyed me.

I went with their “light” trigger setup, and if I had to do it again I probably would have gone with the “extra light”. My issue wasn’t really with the pull weight itself, but it had what felt like a false wall when the firing pin block spring was engaging. That wasn’t necessarily consistent across the three that I had though and was really only an issue on one.

[Hunter Rose]

I thought the straight trigger was a huge improvement over the factory trigger. It felt better, increased trigger reach, and got rid of the flex in the factory part which always really annoyed me.

I went with their “light” trigger setup, and if I had to do it again I probably would have gone with the “extra light”. My issue wasn’t really with the pull weight itself, but it had what felt like a false wall when the firing pin block spring was engaging. That wasn’t necessarily consistent across the three that I had though and was really only an issue on one.

Thanks for the input. The more input I get, the more I'm thinking of getting an LTT P30 LEM as a test bed for the flat trigger, reset reduction, LEM, and optics on a pistol. Seems to make more sense to get a "stock" LTT pistol to try out rather than use my P30LS as a test bed. If I don't the LTT feature set, I can just sell it and recoup most of the cost. I'd be out a lot more if I paid to try it on my P30LS, didn't like it, and then had to pay to get it switched back to factory stock.

As for the trigger weights on the LTT, I'm thinking going with the "Medium" with heavy TRS that is supposed to be 4-4.5 lbs, since that's the weight of SA in my P30LS and on all the USPs I've owned. My Expert 45 match trigger was about 3.5lbs and was nice, especially for target shooting, but waaaay too light for my preferences on a defensive pistol. My only concern with the "Medium" is that the heavy TRS will noticeably increase resistance during the first large portion of pre-travel on the LEM before you get to the wall.

Too bad you already sold your LTT pistols on HKPro, otherwise I probably would have grabbed one.

[HeavyDuty]

Now I’m questioning if I have any freaking idea of what I’m doing with LEM. I have a new V1 SK coming, and I was planning on only changing the sear spring for nickeled and FPBS for light to start. I assume it has the light TRS now, and have medium and heavies here to experiment. This may be like giving a baby (me) a hand grenade.

I do know that I really like the GG flat trigger on my v3 LS, and want one in this SK if it works out. But I’ll let LTT do it when I get the RDO cut and trigger job.

[HeavyDuty]

One year in, my dalliance with P30s has turned into a marriage. A P30SK LEM is my daily carry, and I also have a P30 with RDS and a new P30L that is factory LEM. All have GG short reset kits and flat triggers. (I do need to sell off the P30LS.)

I’ve found they just plain work for me with no drama.

[JonInWA]

I'm a big supporter of the V1.5 LEM setup on my P30L, using a Medium TRS, keeping all else stock. While I'm not opposed to a flat trigger, I've been satisfied with the OEM one.

Best, Jon

[echo5charlie]

If I should ever ditch Glock as my go-to for everything, a P30/P30SK LEM combo would be the replacement.

[45dotACP]

One year in, my dalliance with P30s has turned into a marriage. A P30SK LEM is my daily carry, and I also have a P30 with RDS and a new P30L that is factory LEM. All have GG short reset kits and flat triggers. (I do need to sell off the P30LS.)

I’ve found they just plain work for me with no drama.

Just bought a P2000SK and I'll admit that this gun is just a straight up easy button, out of box and into the holster kinda gun.

Sights are on, gun is big time accurate...huge fan. Definitely like the LEM trigger, but I might want to try to figure out what type of "V-whatever' version just to go with something lighter. The trigger is heavy but it doesn't much matter because it just shoots so damn good.

Looking at getting a P30 now for sure.

[Sig_Fiend]

Just bought a P2000SK and I'll admit that this gun is just a straight up easy button, out of box and into the holster kinda gun.

Sights are on, gun is big time accurate...huge fan. Definitely like the LEM trigger, but I might want to try to figure out what type of "V-whatever' version just to go with something lighter. The trigger is heavy but it doesn't much matter because it just shoots so damn good.

Looking at getting a P30 now for sure.

Sounds like you might have a P2000SK V2, which is the heavier LEM trigger (~7lbs). The V1 is quite a bit lighter at ~4.5lbs. The nice thing is, changing two springs is all that's needed to convert to V1: trigger return spring (#209266 (https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/209266)), firing pin block spring (#209296 (https://us.hkwebshop.com/hkstorefront/hk/en/Handgun-Parts/Slide-Parts/Firing-pin-block-spring-USP-HK45-/p/50209296)).

Alternatively, since the light TRS seems to be sold out everywhere at the moment, #214164 (https://us.hkwebshop.com/hkstorefront/hk/en/Handgun-Parts/Frame-Parts/Trigger-Return-Spring-USP-HK45/p/50214164) will work. Only issue to be aware of is it's a bit lighter than even the "light TRS". Been awhile since I tried it in a P2000 but, I think it'll take the pull down to closer to ~4.0lbs. I remember it feeling like a more sluggish return and didn't like it. However, springs are cheap, and if you wanted to experiment with a lighter LEM trigger than V2, might be a fun test.

[shane45]

Does the LTT trigger work move the break forward at all on the LEM? I find my LEM and my VP9 triggers to be rather similar. What seems different is where the break occurs. In the LEM its much further back. I think this is why I shoot the VP9 better. It would be great if that was moved more forward for me.

Thanks,
Shane

[Exiledviking]

Sounds like you might have a P2000SK V2, which is the heavier LEM trigger (~7lbs). The V1 is quite a bit lighter at ~4.5lbs. The nice thing is, changing two springs is all that's needed to convert to V1: trigger return spring (#209266 (https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/209266)), firing pin block spring (#209296 (https://us.hkwebshop.com/hkstorefront/hk/en/Handgun-Parts/Slide-Parts/Firing-pin-block-spring-USP-HK45-/p/50209296)).

Alternatively, since the light TRS seems to be sold out everywhere at the moment, #214164 (https://us.hkwebshop.com/hkstorefront/hk/en/Handgun-Parts/Frame-Parts/Trigger-Return-Spring-USP-HK45/p/50214164) will work. Only issue to be aware of is it's a bit lighter than even the "light TRS". Been awhile since I tried it in a P2000 but, I think it'll take the pull down to closer to ~4.0lbs. I remember it feeling like a more sluggish return and didn't like it. However, springs are cheap, and if you wanted to experiment with a lighter LEM trigger than V2, might be a fun test.

I second replacing the firing pin block spring and if needed the trigger return spring. In my P2000sk I ended up just replacing the firing pin block spring and found that it makes for better trigger than the stock LEM. For carry, that felt like the best balance.

[HeavyDuty]

Sounds like you might have a P2000SK V2, which is the heavier LEM trigger (~7lbs). The V1 is quite a bit lighter at ~4.5lbs. The nice thing is, changing two springs is all that's needed to convert to V1: trigger return spring (#209266 (https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/209266)), firing pin block spring (#209296 (https://us.hkwebshop.com/hkstorefront/hk/en/Handgun-Parts/Slide-Parts/Firing-pin-block-spring-USP-HK45-/p/50209296)).

Alternatively, since the light TRS seems to be sold out everywhere at the moment, #214164 (https://us.hkwebshop.com/hkstorefront/hk/en/Handgun-Parts/Frame-Parts/Trigger-Return-Spring-USP-HK45/p/50214164) will work. Only issue to be aware of is it's a bit lighter than even the "light TRS". Been awhile since I tried it in a P2000 but, I think it'll take the pull down to closer to ~4.0lbs. I remember it feeling like a more sluggish return and didn't like it. However, springs are cheap, and if you wanted to experiment with a lighter LEM trigger than V2, might be a fun test.

It’s well worth springing (no pun intended) for a knock-off HK hammer return spring tool. It makes installing the spring a trifle.

[HeavyDuty]

I’ve settled on a light FPB spring (the one from the GG SRT kit,) heavy TRS and a blue mainspring. I like having a bit more weight on takeup and a robust trigger return. Added to that is the GG short reset kit and flat trigger.

[coN]

Can anyone tell me why is the recoil so stout with my P30L? I'm talking 4" PPQ levels here. Maybe I've been spoiled on the polymer side by Glocks and M&Ps but yeesh, it catches me off guard whenever I swap platforms at the range.

[hufnagel]

what ammo you shooting?

[willie]

I also like the Hk lem. They are very slow sellers at my lgs for some reason. My opinion base on my experiences with pistols is that lem pistols certainly are not fool proof but do offer less risk of nd. Hence, I'm much more comfortable sticking a HK lem in my pants than a Glock.

[Borderland]

I also like the Hk lem. They are very slow sellers at my lgs for some reason. My opinion base on my experiences with pistols is that lem pistols certainly are not fool proof but do offer less risk of nd. Hence, I'm much more comfortable sticking a HK lem in my pants than a Glock.

Slow sellers for sure. I have P30 LEM but never warmed up to it. I don't even have a holster for it. I could see a LE agency buying those just for the DA trigger, if you want to call it that. Almost revolver like without stacking or added pressure. Mine is in my night stand with a light on it. I would give it to a relative who was a novice and wanted to train with it. So far no takers but that could change. I won't sell it being in WA and the AG climate here. Hardly anyone trades or sells anything here these days. They just buy lots of ammo.

[willie]

I sold a P30L to a cousin to use in training his 12 year old grandson. They live in very rural Mississippi, and within 2-3 years the boy will carry it afield. He lives in the midst of vast acreage. I made the cousin a super deal out of concern for the boy's safety. Soon I will ship him an H&R 45-70 single shot and 400 rds of my 1100 fps reloads. I put a shotgun scope on it and a Choate stock with raised comb.

[Borderland]

Can anyone tell me why is the recoil so stout with my P30L? I'm talking 4" PPQ levels here. Maybe I've been spoiled on the polymer side by Glocks and M&Ps but yeesh, it catches me off guard whenever I swap platforms at the range.

I have a P30 and HK45. Never noticed that HK has added recoil. I'm fairly sensitive to recoil. Enough that I don't shoot 357 mag anymore.

P30 is comparable to my P-239 and my HK45 to my 1911. Recoil is just from a different angle. That might be the difference.

[willie]

You guys who can work on an HK must have card shark dexterity. About the HK P30 sub compact. I love mine but bought it knowing that its bulk distracts a tad. My intention was finding a pistol that my wife would be comfortable with. More and more I leave home without a real gun and find myself carrying a J frame LCP.

[HeavyDuty]

You guys who can work on an HK must have card shark dexterity. About the HK P30 sub compact. I love mine but bought it knowing that its bulk distracts a tad. My intention was finding a pistol that my wife would be comfortable with. More and more I leave home without a real gun and find myself carrying a J frame LCP.

How so, Willie? The first few times can be a little sporty, but after that it’s a bit of a yawn - so long as you have the pliers and a pin punch set.

I actually find the physical size to be close enough to a G26 to not be worth worry.

[APS-PF]

Are the newly manufactured P30SKs still shooting high? The one that with the factory Meprolight tritiums impacted 6" high @25yds and the sight options were slim. This was in 2015 though.

[CCT125US]

I also like the Hk lem. They are very slow sellers at my lgs for some reason. My opinion base on my experiences with pistols is that lem pistols certainly are not fool proof but do offer less risk of nd. Hence, I'm much more comfortable sticking a HK lem in my pants than a Glock.

I've observed numerous people pick one up, verify clear, work the trigger twice and complain about the second pull.... When you explain, how it would cycle, thereby cocking the gun, just like their first pull, the eyes glass over.

[Sig_Fiend]

Are the newly manufactured P30SKs still shooting high? The one that with the factory Meprolight tritiums impacted 6" high @25yds and the sight options were slim. This was in 2015 though.

Worst case, there's always Dawson Precision (https://dawsonprecision.com/sights/hk-sights/hk-front-sights/?_bc_fsnf=1&model=P30). They offer a significant number of heights in plain black, fiber, or tritium. If one doesn't work, they can also make you a one-off at the right calculated height to get you zeroed where you want.

[Borderland]

Are the newly manufactured P30SKs still shooting high? The one that with the factory Meprolight tritiums impacted 6" high @25yds and the sight options were slim. This was in 2015 though.

I haven't noticed that but will pay more attention the next time I shoot it. I really haven't shot it that much.

[breakingtime91]

Are the newly manufactured P30SKs still shooting high? The one that with the factory Meprolight tritiums impacted 6" high @25yds and the sight options were slim. This was in 2015 though.

There are for sure more options. My factory sighted hks have shot point of aim

[HeavyDuty]

Are the newly manufactured P30SKs still shooting high? The one that with the factory Meprolight tritiums impacted 6" high @25yds and the sight options were slim. This was in 2015 though.

Mine is luminous dot equipped (I haven’t gotten around to replacing them) and it shoots POA for me.

[EVP]

Can anyone tell me why is the recoil so stout with my P30L? I'm talking 4" PPQ levels here. Maybe I've been spoiled on the polymer side by Glocks and M&Ps but yeesh, it catches me off guard whenever I swap platforms at the range.


I have never heard anyone call the p30 recoil stout. I found it to be one of the softest shooting polymer guns.

[JonInWA]

My P30L with OEM Meprolights shoots POA/POI with a center hold on target; it's impressively accurate. My former VP40 with the same sights shot the same as well.

Best, Jon

[UncleRunkle]

I've observed numerous people pick one up, verify clear, work the trigger twice and complain about the second pull.... When you explain, how it would cycle, thereby cocking the gun, just like their first pull, the eyes glass over.

I think this is exactly it. A casual browser likely won't even know what LEM is or how it works, whereas folks like us that do (and those of us that like it) are either out actively looking for an LEM platform or having one sent to our FFL. And even after shooting it for a while I sometimes have trouble explaining the system to someone else.

[Lunker]

I had owned a P30 V1 several years ago, and sold it. I took a chance and picked up another one recently, and put in the light trigger return spring, light hammer spring, and light FPS spring, thinking they might be the difference maker I needed to like this gun and shoot it well. Configured this way, It is better than I remember it but still not my cup of tea. Oh well.

[jeep45238]

I had owned a P30 V1 several years ago, and sold it. I took a chance and picked up another one recently, and put in the light trigger return spring, light hammer spring, and light FPS spring, thinking they might be the difference maker I needed to like this gun and shoot it well. Configured this way, It is better than I remember it but still not my cup of tea. Oh well.

The HK short reset kit makes a big difference.

[Archer1440]

The HK short reset kit makes a big difference.

This. Also, I do a lot of work with DA revolvers so that first shot never bothers me. For me, the P30 L is a bit of a laserbeam.

[breakingtime91]

Hk LEM is a compromise for sure. It is a really safe trigger system but it is its own beast.

[JonInWA]

Hk LEM is a compromise for sure. It is a really safe trigger system but it is its own beast.

It requires a bit of shooter commitment, but it is hardware tunable for trigger tension and reset; the shooter needs time on it for software tuning...

Best, Jon

[breakingtime91]

It requires a bit of shooter commitment, but it is hardware tunable for trigger tension and reset; the shooter needs time on it for software tuning...

Best, Jon

It does but I can software tune a shooter for a different trigger type much quicker than a lem. It's not a novices trigger for sure.

[Lunker]

I can see the advantages of the LEM system, which is why I picked one up again a decade after putting my last one down. Unfortunately, it is so different from the Berettas, CZs, Glocks, and M&P’s I shoot, that it really has a steep learning curve for me.

[JonInWA]

It's primary advantage in my opinion is as a true duty/defensive pistol, where it provides the additional time to get off the trigger if situationally loud noises aren't desirable, and that when re-holstering, you do just that-no decocking or safety activations or other manipulations required.

Similar to a light revolver pull. So much so, I had HK increase the kickback/pull weight on my trigger return spring by substituting a medium-weight one, which is perfect for me.

Best, Jon

[JonInWA]

It does but I can software tune a shooter for a different trigger type much quicker than a lem. It's not a novices trigger for sure.

Or, conversely, it's a great novice trigger, but not so great necessarily if your primary concern is pure ease of shootability. For competitors, there are certainly faster actions, but it's at least as fast, and probably faster than a revolver.

Best, Jon

[Lunker]

Or, conversely, it's a great novice trigger, but not so great necessarily if your primary concern is pure ease of shootability. For competitors, there are certainly faster actions, but it's at least as fast, and probably faster than a revolver.

Best, Jon

I was thinking it might be a good gun for the quick-access safe, for a spouse that shoots once or twice a year. No chance of limp-wristing it like a Glock. And not likely to fire additional rounds like a DA/SA.

[breakingtime91]

Or, conversely, it's a great novice trigger, but not so great necessarily if your primary concern is pure ease of shootability. For competitors, there are certainly faster actions, but it's at least as fast, and probably faster than a revolver.

Best, Jon


Good point. My wife's go to is a p2000sk in lem and a red dot. I have her treat it like a light triggered revolver

[Clusterfrack]

Or, conversely, it's a great novice trigger, but not so great necessarily if your primary concern is pure ease of shootability. For competitors, there are certainly faster actions, but it's at least as fast, and probably faster than a revolver.


Great point. It seems very similar to a Kahr trigger.

[JonInWA]

I was thinking it might be a good gun for the quick-access safe, for a spouse that shoots once or twice a year. No chance of limp-wristing it like a Glock. And not likely to fire additional rounds like a DA/SA.

Exactly.

Best, Jon

[JonInWA]

I'm thinking that there's a huge, and pretty much likely untapped market in LEM guns (probably mostly the P30 and P2000) (and the SK versions of each too) for non-dedicated shooters. They're intrinsically easy to shoot with their relatively light triggerpulls, exquisite (and individually tunable for best fit) ergonomics, with no safety/decocker manipulations required. It's a market that HK is pretty much oblivious to, with their concentration on organizational users, professional shooters, more experienced shooters, and competitors. To be even more user friendly, I think the only think they might want to add are the grasping ears at the slides that are present on the VP line.

Pick up gun, pull trigger, put gun down/secure gun when finished. And you've got the longer (but lighter/easier) triggerpull for the benefit of multiple partys. Maintenance requirements are low-particularly if you use a low evaporative, non-migrating lubricant, such as TW25B. And even in capacity limitation jurisdictions, you've got at least 10 rounds on board, with a far easier magazine ejection/reloading sequence than with a revolver.

Accordingly, HK LEMs have floated to the top of the list for recommended pistols to such shooters when I'm asked for recommendations or teaching.

Best, Jon

[Borderland]

I was thinking it might be a good gun for the quick-access safe, for a spouse that shoots once or twice a year. No chance of limp-wristing it like a Glock. And not likely to fire additional rounds like a DA/SA.

That's where I think the LEM trigger shines, novice shooters who don't practice very often. I believe LEM is disliked by many shooters because of their preference for consistent trigger pressure. I'm not a big fan of the super long 1st pull on a LEM but it's better than a revolver or Sig. I've been shooting Sig SRT triggers for so long I just have a hard time getting used to LEM.

[Noah]

That might be what the market needs, but it isn't what the market wants.

[45dotACP]

There was a P30 LEM that was looking lonely in the used cabinet of my local fun store...given that I've started really appreciating the P2000sk I own (just shot a 1" group with it at 20 yards lol wtf is HK making these guns with?) I figured a larger sized gun would be awesome.

I'm about a decade or so late to this HK LEM party, but having always been of the opinion that "only accurate pistols are interesting" I figured I'd give it a whirl.

[HeavyDuty]

That's where I think the LEM trigger shines, novice shooters who don't practice very often. I believe LEM is disliked by many shooters because of their preference for consistent trigger pressure. I'm not a big fan of the super long 1st pull on a LEM but it's better than a revolver or Sig. I've been shooting Sig SRT triggers for so long I just have a hard time getting used to LEM.

Why would you be trying to fire an uncocked LEM?

[JonInWA]

Why would you be trying to fire an uncocked LEM?

I suspect that he's referring to the initial LEM triggerpull for the first shot, which requires the complete triggerpull strike, whereas the follow-up shots can be shot from the reset point if desired.

I don't think he's referring to probably what you're thinking, which is the harder DAO trigggerpull which is the default triggerpull if the hammer isn't pre-cocked by the slide reciprocation; e.g. if you have a first (lighter) pre-cocked LEM triggerpull, the cartridge doesn't go off, the slide doesn't reciprocate, then the second/follow-up shot if desired will be the much heavier non-precocked HK DAO triggerpull.

Best, Jon

[SecondsCount]

The struggles with the LEM trigger are overrated. It has a touch longer reset and the pull weight is heavier than most, but the same rules apply. Pull the trigger without disturbing the sight picture.

If you learn to accelerate the trigger into the wall, you'll find it is a lot easier to shoot it accurately.

[Chewbacca10]

Oh man. I've never seen so many LEM lovers in one place. It's incredible. :D


Similar to a light revolver pull. So much so, I had HK increase the kickback/pull weight on my trigger return spring by substituting a medium-weight one, which is perfect for me.

This is interesting. So the reset is more forceful than the stock reset?

On a related note, does HK do "custom" work like this? I didn't know HK did anything other than repairs and figured changing non-broken parts would be a gunsmith or DIY job.

[Chewbacca10]

I was thinking it might be a good gun for the quick-access safe, for a spouse that shoots once or twice a year. No chance of limp-wristing it like a Glock. And not likely to fire additional rounds like a DA/SA.

And, I might add, not likely that someone inexperienced accidentally discharges a round without intending to do so.

[HeavyDuty]

I must be a masochist. I have a heavy TRS in all of my LEM pistols.

[Chewbacca10]

That might be what the market needs, but it isn't what the market wants.

A large part of that is the price. Cheaper handguns with good reliability and magazines that don't cost $50 each are going to sell better regardless of the trigger system.

[Noah]

A large part of that is the price. Cheaper handguns with good reliability and magazines that don't cost $50 each are going to sell better regardless of the trigger system.

So you're saying the world needs a Taurus LEM? :cool:

[jeep45238]

So you're saying the world needs a Taurus LEM? :cool:

I mean.....I'd troll with that.

Think jetfire could pull off a limited sample of them? :D

[Chewbacca10]

So you're saying the world needs a Taurus LEM? :cool:

Haha. People would probably buy it and think it was broken. 😆

[SecondsCount]

I must be a masochist. I have a heavy TRS in all of my LEM pistols.


#metoo (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=metoo)

I have done zero mods to the trigger group on mine.

[Borderland]

Why would you be trying to fire an uncocked LEM?

I'm not sure what the question is.

LEM is just a light DA trigger that transitions to a SA after the first shot. It gets cocked with the slide putting a round into battery just like a normal DA/SA pistol. With a Sig you decock to holster. No decocker on a LEM. Pretty simple. It's weird but a very good design. Leave it to HK to give us something nobody understands or wants and costs more to boot.


https://youtu.be/-k6CF-CWkfU

I didn't want a V1 when I ordered it, but my dealer didn't ask what version I wanted. I got a V1. Buying and selling pistols in this state is a nightmare so I just kept it. He wouldn't return it.

[jetfire]

I mean.....I'd troll with that.

Think jetfire could pull off a limited sample of them? :D

We kinda/sorta have something like that. The trigger on the G3 series is SA/DA (note the order) where the first shot is SA-ish, but there’s a lot of slack to pull through first.

[jeep45238]

We kinda/sorta have something like that. The trigger on the G3 series is SA/DA (note the order) where the first shot is SA-ish, but there’s a lot of slack to pull through first.

Fine.....I'll give one of them a try when there's free cash for it.

Jerk :p

[HeavyDuty]

I'm not sure what the question is.

LEM is just a light DA trigger that transitions to a SA after the first shot. It gets cocked with the slide putting a round into battery just like a normal DA/SA pistol. With a Sig you decock to holster. No decocker on a LEM. Pretty simple. It's weird but a very good design. Leave it to HK to give us something nobody understands or wants and costs more to boot.


https://youtu.be/-k6CF-CWkfU

I didn't want a V1 when I ordered it, but my dealer didn't ask what version I wanted. I got a V1. Buying and selling pistols in this state is a nightmare so I just kept it. He wouldn't return it.

There is no transition. It’s consistent shot to shot, the user can choose to ride the reset or shoot it like a DA revolver.

[Borderland]

There is no transition. It’s consistent shot to shot, the user can choose to ride the reset or shoot it like a DA revolver.

Still missing the point. The reset isn't the same trigger. The pull is much shorter.

Of course one can let the reset go to DA, but why, unless you're holstering the gun.

[SecondsCount]

Still missing the point. The reset isn't the same trigger. The pull is much shorter.

Of course one can let the reset go to DA, but why, unless you're holstering the gun.

You don't decock a LEM trigger, which makes every pull the same after it is loaded.

[HCM]

Still missing the point. The reset isn't the same trigger. The pull is much shorter.

Of course one can let the reset go to DA, but why, unless you're holstering the gun.

No.

HeavyDuty is correct.

I don’t know what you are thinking of or describing, but it is not the HK LEM trigger system.

LEM is a “pre-tensioned” hammer fired system with a long take up without any actual resistance before reaching the actual trigger pull.

It is “cocked” or “pre-tensioned” when you chamber the first round and provides the same trigger pull from the first round through the last.

The take up is not a “double action” as is neither cocks or releases a hammer or striker. It only exists due to a theory that length of trigger pull is more significant than weight in minimizing negligent discharges.

The only “DA” function in LEM is a second strike capability in the event a round fails to fire but one cannot “decock” or “select” it manually.

Have you actually used or shot an LEM trigger or are you just misunderstanding the lucky gunner video you linked ?

[Slice]

I shoot my striker fired pistols more accurately when shooting for time, but the LEM is capable of crisp trigger pulls and good accuracy from a rest once you get to the wall.

[rathos]

Sounds like a sig dak


No.

HeavyDuty is correct.

I don’t know what you are thinking of or describing, but it is not the HK LEM trigger system.

LEM is a “pre-tensioned” hammer fired system with a long take up without any actual resistance before reaching the actual trigger pull.

It is “cocked” or “pre-tensioned” when you chamber the first round and provides the same trigger pull from the first round through the last.

The take up is not a “double action” as is neither cocks or releases a hammer or striker. It only exists due to a theory that length of trigger pull is more significant than weight in minimizing negligent discharges.

The only “DA” function in LEM is a second strike capability in the event a round fails to fire but one cannot “decock” or “select” it manually.

Have you actually used or shot an LEM trigger or are you just misunderstanding the lucky gunner video you linked ?

[CCT125US]

As a user of LEM, for maybe the last 50k rounds I've developed a reflexive response to various impressions.

Shooter: Wow, that's the dumbest thing ever!
Me: Yes it is.

Shooter: Wow, that's crisp.
Me: Yes it is.

Shooter: I can't shoot that worth a crap.
Me: I see that.

Shooter: That is different, probably takes a mag or so to get used to.
Me: It can.

My favorite, which has happened twice:

Someone who just got beat at a competition, who has more money than sense, still trying to justify their poor choice in equipment: Wow, you'd probably shoot better if you picked up (xyz).
Me: If so, you would have lost by a larger margin. (Said with a smile).
Shooter: Gets pissed and walks away.

[Bucky]

Still missing the point. The reset isn't the same trigger. The pull is much shorter.

Of course one can let the reset go to DA, but why, unless you're holstering the gun.

Back when I was more active on the USPSA circuit, some of the best shooters of the day told me you should come off the trigger for each shot. When I adopted that, trigger return became of more importance than trigger reset. At that point, LEM became less appealing to me.

[P30]

LEM is just a light DA trigger that transitions to a SA after the first shot.
LEM is intended to be carried with a cocked hammer spring and a decocked hammer. Just put in a filled magazine, rack the slide, holster. Then the first shot will have a light trigger pull (e.g. 27.5 N for variant V4).

Police officers here in Germany carry the P30 this way (32.5 N trigger pull, they have the V2).

The DA trigger pull of LEM P30 pistols is very heavy, because the LEM hammer spring is very strong (stronger than the hammer spring of the P30 V3 which is DA/SA).


PS:
Oh, HCM already wrote most of this.

PPS:
I suppose, Borderland wrote, how the LEM trigger appears to the shooter (its user interface, so to speak). HeavyDuty, HCM and I wrote, how it internally works.

[HCM]

Sounds like a sig dak

Yes and no.

Similar concept in that it is a pretensioned hammer fired system.

The DAK doesn’t have the long take up of the LEM.

[P30]

Old Kung Fu saying (https://www.quora.com/Are-there-differences-between-1-how-people-see-us-2-how-we-see-ourselves-3-and-who-we-really-are-in-reality): There are three LEM variants:

(V1) How I see LEM.
(V2) How others see it.
(V3) How LEM really is.

Could not find the video, but this is also very wise:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBkZnfRWJlg

[jetfire]

Fine.....I'll give one of them a try when there's free cash for it.

Jerk :p

Good news, you don't need much it's like 250 bucks

[breakingtime91]

LEM is intended to be carried with a cocked hammer spring and a decocked hammer. Just put in a filled magazine, rack the slide, holster. Then the first shot will have a light trigger pull (e.g. 27.5 N for variant V4).

Police officers here in Germany carry the P30 this way (32.5 N trigger pull, they have the V2).

The DA trigger pull of LEM P30 pistols is very heavy, because the LEM hammer spring is very strong (stronger than the hammer spring of the P30 V3 which is DA/SA).


PS:
Oh, HCM already wrote most of this.

PPS:
I suppose, Borderland wrote, how the LEM trigger appears to the shooter (its user interface, so to speak). HeavyDuty, HCM and I wrote, how it internally works.


LEM is the thing that keeps bringing me back. I will say it is a very dependent trigger on grip and being locked on with it if you want to shoot it to a high level. For the average user, including my wife, it is a great trigger.

[breakingtime91]

The limiting factor with LEM guns is cost and what you want to do to them.

If you want to make the trigger "nicer" a gray guns short reset kit is reasonably priced and can be installed at home. If you want a new trigger, gray guns has a flat faced trigger. Both will run you almost 200.

If you want a red dot this is a 300-almost 500 dollar ordeal from either LTT or Wright armory.

Jm custom makes good holsters but good luck finding s duty holster for a hk with a red dot. RDR gear will do a modified holster that will fit.

If money isn't an issue and you want to invest in the platform, a couple of set up LEM guns will last you a long, long, long time

[Borderland]

LEM is intended to be carried with a cocked hammer spring and a decocked hammer. Just put in a filled magazine, rack the slide, holster. Then the first shot will have a light trigger pull (e.g. 27.5 N for variant V4).

Police officers here in Germany carry the P30 this way (32.5 N trigger pull, they have the V2).

The DA trigger pull of LEM P30 pistols is very heavy, because the LEM hammer spring is very strong (stronger than the hammer spring of the P30 V3 which is DA/SA).


PS:
Oh, HCM already wrote most of this.

PPS:
I suppose, Borderland wrote, how the LEM trigger appears to the shooter (its user interface, so to speak). HeavyDuty, HCM and I wrote, how it internally works.

I wasn't aware of V2's heavy DA pull. I think most of the P-30's here with LEM are V-1 with light DA.

[Default.mp3]

I wasn't aware of V2's heavy DA pull. I think most of the P-30's here with LEM are V-1 with light DA.Light is relative. It will be around the same weight as the V3 DA. That being said, shooting LEM in DA defeats the point of LEM (although I guess some folks want it, given that V0 does come with a decocker).

[HeavyDuty]

Light is relative. It will be around the same weight as the V3 DA. That being said, shooting LEM in DA defeats the point of LEM.

I’m confused. Maybe I’m misunderstanding you, but how would you shoot LEM in DA? DA is only for restrike or punitive dryfire.

[Default.mp3]

I’m confused. Maybe I’m misunderstanding you, but how would you shoot LEM in DA? DA is only for restrike or punitive dryfire.V0 comes with a spurred hammer and decocker, so you could decock it, while maintaining the weights of the V1 (or V3 SA) during normal use, while decocked it has the weight of the V3 DA. An odd beast, but it was an official variant, and can still be found in an equivalent configuration by folks that convert their V3s to LEM.

[FreedomFries]

I wasn't aware of V2's heavy DA pull. I think most of the P-30's here with LEM are V-1 with light DA.

It isn't very desirable. Think of a long pre-travel with a weight in between a regular Glock and a Glock with NY trigger spring, then with a distinct bump and stacking from when the trigger bar hits the firing pin block and pushes against the heavy firing pin block spring, followed by a heavy wall to move the sear against the LEM cocking piece tensioned with the heavy #14 main spring. End trigger weight when it breaks about 8.5 lbs to 9 lbs. When I was messing with spring combinations, I thought I might like it because I tend to prefer heavier triggers. I don't really like it at all, and this is coming from me, who likes the NY1 and could probably tolerate an NY2 in a Glock. The distracting bump sensation of disengaging the firing pin block followed by a very heavy wall makes it more difficult to pull through smoothly like a real DA trigger.

[HeavyDuty]

V0 comes with a spurred hammer and decocker, so you could decock it, while maintaining the weights of the V1 (or V3 SA) during normal use, while decocked it has the weight of the V3 DA. An odd beast, but it was an official variant, and can still be found in an equivalent configuration by folks that convert their V3s to LEM.

Interesting. I haven’t run across that one yet, and I doubt I would care for it. It sounds similar to decocking a Walter P99AS which is actually quite workable.

[HeavyDuty]

I wasn't aware of V2's heavy DA pull. I think most of the P-30's here with LEM are V-1 with light DA.


It isn't very desirable. Think of a long pre-travel with a weight in between a regular Glock and a Glock with NY trigger spring, then with a distinct bump and stacking from when the trigger bar hits the firing pin block and pushes against the heavy firing pin block spring, followed by a heavy wall to move the sear against the LEM cocking piece tensioned with the heavy #14 main spring. End trigger weight when it breaks about 8.5 lbs to 9 lbs. When I was messing with spring combinations, I thought I might like it because I tend to prefer heavier triggers. I don't really like it at all, and this is coming from me, who likes the NY1 and could probably tolerate an NY2 in a Glock. The distracting bump sensation of disengaging the firing pin block followed by a very heavy wall makes it more difficult to pull through smoothly like a real DA trigger.

I actually love my V2 based P30 LEM triggers. They are all heavy TRS, light FBPS with a lighter mainspring and have GG STT kits and flat triggers so they really aren’t V2.

[pangloss]

A month or two ago, I shot my stock P30 LEM alongside a P30 LEM that came from LTT. I was super impressed with the LTT trigger. If anyone has the opportunity to put rounds through a LTT gun, I highly recommend giving one a try.

[FreedomFries]

I actually love my V2 based P30 LEM triggers. They are all heavy TRS, light FBPS with a lighter mainspring and have GG STT kits and flat triggers so they really aren’t V2.

Yes, not really a V2 anymore and more like the V-TGS that looked like it was popular here for a long time. Like you, I like the heavy trigger return spring, but disliked the other aspects of the V2 system. My other P30 LEM is currently set up similar to yours minus the flat trigger shoe.

I've since gone back to using a V3 from LTT with an 11# mainspring. The LTT trigger job V3 is probably the happiest I've been with an HK DA trigger. When I detail stripped it, it looked like a lot of the contact surfaces had been polished. If my memory serves me correctly, they strategically polished areas of the trigger bar, hammer, hammer strut, sear, mainspring. It feels just a little bit nicer than my other V3 that lived life as a range rental prior to me purchasing it.

[OfficeCat]

It isn't very desirable. Think of a long pre-travel with a weight in between a regular Glock and a Glock with NY trigger spring, then with a distinct bump and stacking from when the trigger bar hits the firing pin block and pushes against the heavy firing pin block spring, followed by a heavy wall to move the sear against the LEM cocking piece tensioned with the heavy #14 main spring. End trigger weight when it breaks about 8.5 lbs to 9 lbs. When I was messing with spring combinations, I thought I might like it because I tend to prefer heavier triggers. I don't really like it at all, and this is coming from me, who likes the NY1 and could probably tolerate an NY2 in a Glock. The distracting bump sensation of disengaging the firing pin block followed by a very heavy wall makes it more difficult to pull through smoothly like a real DA trigger.

I've never tried a V2, but the LEM really clicked for me when I replaced the light trigger return spring in my V1 with the medium weight spring and at the same time put in the light firing pin block spring. The light firing pin block spring almost eliminates that bump you're referencing. Combined with the medium trigger return spring it does feel a lot like a longer version of a Glock NY1 trigger which is what I really cut my teeth on. To me this combination makes the LEM much more forgiving by giving a little more feedback during the first stage rather than the slack airy feeling of the V1, where you then hit that little bump just as it transitions to the heavier final stage. At any speed it feels like a consistent smooth light DA pull, and with a significantly snappier reset than the V1.

[Wonder9]

I wanted to try out the LEM, but I couldn't justify the the price to convert my HK45 which has a fairly good trigger and my P30s are v3S models.

I could justify the unfired P30L v1 for $500 OTD though. Kinda regret not trying the LEM earlier. I really like it.

[MGW]

I actually love my V2 based P30 LEM triggers. They are all heavy TRS, light FBPS with a lighter mainspring and have GG STT kits and flat triggers so they really aren’t V2.

Does the V1 already have a light FPBS and lighter mainspring from the factory?

[Lunker]

Does the V1 already have a light FPBS and lighter mainspring from the factory?

There is a chart somewhere that lists the various configurations and spring choices for each of them. It is probably higher up in this enormous thread somewhere.
Going by memory, though, the V3 has a lighter main spring than the V1. And the V1 has a stiffer firing pin block spring.
If you go to HK parts, you can buy the lighter springs for your V1. It makes a big difference.
The biggest difference maker IMO is putting in a stiffer V3 trigger return spring. It provides much better feedback on the trigger pull.


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[JAH 3rd]

https://www.hkpro.com/threads/spring-reference-chart-for-different-lem-variants.168700/

[jeep45238]

124893

Instructions unclear. (functions with snap caps properly, as well as the reverse combination. P2000 RSA needs to stay in the P2000 frame, and vice versa)

[HeavyDuty]

124893

Instructions unclear. (functions with snap caps properly, as well as the reverse combination. P2000 RSA needs to stay in the P2000 frame, and vice versa)

124894

[jeep45238]

124894

124896

[Sig_Fiend]

124893

Instructions unclear. (functions with snap caps properly, as well as the reverse combination. P2000 RSA needs to stay in the P2000 frame, and vice versa)

Yep, it works. I still don't have many rounds (100-200, it's been a couple years) on that configuration with exactly one example, but it functions. No one should be all that surprised. It's typical German engineering. Where possible, parts are often reused when evolving new designs. For example, there are at least a few components the VP series uses (extractor spring) that are from the now ~31yr old USP platform. ;) The P2K and P30 share a substantial number of components, including most of the fire control components, which means important geometry would have been maintained between the two.

Because someone will inevitably get the idea, I'll also say that P2K and P30 slides do NOT work on the USPC. You can physically get them to fit using the P2K RSA, however the trigger will not fire. The difference between disconnectors prevents it from functioning and those are not interchangeable.

[backtrail540]

I seem to have found a time machine and ended up in 2014....i traded into a p30sk last week. It will be interesting to see how i adjust to the lem now vs a decade ago when i was a more prolific but lesser skilled shooter.

Also i will get it dotted from langdon or wright armory so that will affect it, plus being an sk vs regular p30.

Back then it was v2's and the v1 seems pretty nice. Eventually a grayguns trigger and short reset kit will likely find it's way in for tinkering's sake. I'm too curious to leave it alone. While i don't think it will kick my p365 out of my waistband (though my prestriker ways of thinking about holstering with a trapped hammer and long takeup trigger are coming back to the surface and find it comforting, despite being numb to it for several years), it should be a fun excercise in wasting money and ammunition at the range and maybe make poor trade fodder down the road;)

[Corse]

I seem to have found a time machine and ended up in 2014....i traded into a p30sk last week. It will be interesting to see how i adjust to the lem now vs a decade ago when i was a more prolific but lesser skilled shooter.

Also i will get it dotted from langdon or wright armory so that will affect it, plus being an sk vs regular p30.

Back then it was v2's and the v1 seems pretty nice. Eventually a grayguns trigger and short reset kit will likely find it's way in for tinkering's sake. I'm too curious to leave it alone. While i don't think it will kick my p365 out of my waistband (though my prestriker ways of thinking about holstering with a trapped hammer and long takeup trigger are coming back to the surface and find it comforting, despite being numb to it for several years), it should be a fun excercise in wasting money and ammunition at the range and maybe make poor trade fodder down the road;)

Well, if you get it cut by Wright armory, let me know when you are ready to sell ;)

[backtrail540]

Anybody have experience with Jerkman SiC grips for p30's or vp9's? Grip texture is the one thing i find lacking on the hk's and would like something akin to m2.0 texture. I emailed him for pricing (and to see if he is still in business) but wanted to check here for experience as well.

[Pepper]

Anybody have experience with Jerkman SiC grips for p30's or vp9's? Grip texture is the one thing i find lacking on the hk's and would like something akin to m2.0 texture. I emailed him for pricing (and to see if he is still in business) but wanted to check here for experience as well.

I also have interest in them. I first learned about them here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rrBftA8t8g

[SecondsCount]

Anybody have experience with Jerkman SiC grips for p30's or vp9's? Grip texture is the one thing i find lacking on the hk's and would like something akin to m2.0 texture. I emailed him for pricing (and to see if he is still in business) but wanted to check here for experience as well.
No issues here. The P30 fits my hand like a glove. I really like the M&P 2.0c grip but it doesn't fit as well.

I came from shooting a 45ACP 1911 and still like the way they fit my hand. I prefer rounded more than the square feel.

[backtrail540]

My sk slide is headed back from LTT. I'm going on vacation next week but it may hit before i leave, in which case i'll throw on a 407c and then commence to shooting when i get back. I'm pretty excited to give this a run again, after many years away from lem. If it goes at all well, then i'll order some Jerkman panels and the ggi trigger and short reset kit. Interested in seeing how much difference a dot makes with lem, should be able to see poor presses vividly.

[backtrail540]

Thing looks good! Glad i went with the sniper gray. Subtle yet refined. Now i really hate it....

First shots should be Wednesday.

130972

[backtrail540]

Copy and paste from elsewhere, as i'm too lazy to recap twice...needless to say I found it enjoyable and look forward to playing with it some more going forward.

Today i was finally able to get out with the p30sk and the vp9a1 again. I did an initial zero on the p30sk and then it was off to the races.



While zeroing i was noticing the gun slipping quite a bit and had to regularly adjust grip over longer strings. The gun felt clunky and huge and i convinced myself it was going down the road but by the end of the session, i changed my mind and let the numbers speak louder than my feeling of the gun.



I started with an advanced supertest. A whiff on the first shot at 15 into the 7 ring and i ended with 91 for the string in 10.70 seconds. Not a great start. But then I rallied with a 97 in 8.81 and a 99 in 4.85 to finish strong with a 287. Not a stellar run but not awful by any means. I expected worse from the zeroing.

https://i.postimg.cc/85vPwHG9/IMG-20250326-161625.jpg (https://postimg.cc/BLq0n2XB)


Then i changed gears to the Gabe White standards. I was sure the wheels would fall off here and i could throw the gun in the creek. Instead, i had a clean run all throughout with an aggregate of 19.88 (21.88 raw minus 2 seconds for concealment bonus). A steady stream of light pin runs with a single turbo (Immediate capacitation) and a single dark pin (bill drill). Not my best work but far from my worst. I was starting to feel different about the squirmy worm.

https://i.postimg.cc/VNpkjhxX/IMG-20250326-161715.jpg (https://postimg.cc/8FdGGZPC)


All that was left was the drill i use as a bar for carry comparison, the modified lapd swat qual. I run it on a b8 and 3x5 for score xxx/360 available with misses on the 3x5 counting -10 and overtime -10. I finished with a 345/360 raw points but .04 over on the first 3 yard string dropped 10 more points for a final corrected score of 335/360, my second best to date. PR was 340/360....breakdown as follows -

https://i.postimg.cc/CLSLHkQr/20250326-130736.jpg (https://postimg.cc/WtYvsFj0)
25 yards d2 in 4 to b8 (4 second par) - 2.73 (8,9), 2.81 (10,9), 2.86 (10,10)


https://i.postimg.cc/kGFMPgBy/20250326-131236.jpg (https://postimg.cc/sGxCpyPB)
15 yards d2 in 3 to b8 (3 second par) - 2.31 (10,8), 2.33 (10,10), 2.40 (10,9..poor ammo management here lead to a mulligan when i went dry after a single shot, it was a nine so i took the worst hits when i reran it. went 10,10 but kept the 9 from the first screwup)


https://i.postimg.cc/Pryf6NGX/20250326-131649.jpg (https://postimg.cc/3dyHN8JV)
10 yards d2 to the b8 and 1 to 3x5 (3.5 second par) - 2.86 (10, 9, 9) 3.22 (10, 10, 9)


https://i.postimg.cc/mZQgH88F/20250326-131933.jpg (https://postimg.cc/V5kwyByY)
7 yards d2 to the b8 and 1 to the 3x5 (3 second par) - 2.57 (10, 10, 10) 2.79 (10, 10, 9)


https://i.postimg.cc/Z5DbSgKX/20250326-132342.jpg (https://postimg.cc/WdgLm5Z7)
5 yards d2 to the b8 and 1 to the 3x5 (2.5 second par) - 2.33 (10, 10, 9) 2.48 (10, 10, 10)


https://i.postimg.cc/0NM82fzj/20250326-132616.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Tyx8tnqv)
3 yards d2 to the b8 and 1 to the 3x5 (2 second par) - 2.04 (10, 9, 9) 1.96 (10, 10, 9)



Needless to say, the gun is up to the task if you are. As far as performance goes for my personal expectation in a carry gun, it meets or exceeds that level. I wouldn't take it to shoot a match were i trying to win, but i don't expect to have all of my skill available in a carry gun or i would carry an open gun.



To finish with the p30sk i did the 3-2-1 again just to see and was rewarded with a set of clean strings in 4.04, 4.26, and 3.86 for a total of 12.16. Solid!

[Clusterfrack]

^Like

[MGW]

@backtrail540 is that a LEM?

[backtrail540]

@backtrail540 is that a LEM?

Indeed, factory v1 at the moment.

[backtrail540]

After months of waiting to both get my slide back from ltt and figure out what panels i wanted to roll with, i stuck with the plain vanilla medium all around. That out of the way, two weeks ago or so i told Jerkman Customs to do a set of their SiC (silicon carbide) panels for the p30sk in medium sized - i chose 120 grit on the sides and 80 grit on the backstrap. They arrived today. I installed them straight away, did a few dry draws then headed to the range.

Gone is the slippery squirmy texture that comes from the factory and in it's place grippy texture that provides a secure grip. I don't carry without an undershirt so it is no problem in that regard. The 120 lets me correct my grip when necessary but stays rock solid when i apply pressure. The gun returns quickly without lateral movement. For a cold drill i used pistol-training.com's Cold Heat. While i only got 2 hits under the 2 second par, the gun returned quickly and kept all 4 rounds i fired in the 10 ring.


https://youtu.be/7q-QZ-luIDo

I then ran the Bakersfield Qual (modified because of target, i just use a b8) I put the first two in the -1 but under par. Then the rest were clean under par. Not bad the already nice shooting gun is now great, as i don't have to fight it.

String 1 -

https://youtu.be/ZhOJnYZjHsY

String 2 -

https://youtu.be/TrXPrrEs-mg

String 3 -

https://youtu.be/h-0Yag5ChQE

String 4 -

https://youtu.be/T2lSOxfi98o

After that i did some random stuff like the first string of the 99 drill (d3 to a 3x5 at 7 with 2.5 par)

https://i.postimg.cc/HsjqtQ41/20250428-140616.jpg (https://postimg.cc/YhKDrLsd)

https://i.postimg.cc/wjmnCgGW/20250428-140646.jpg (https://postimg.cc/JsRTJVmJ)

https://i.postimg.cc/6QVgQzwn/20250428-140715.jpg (https://postimg.cc/yJdvQmD8)

and 5 to a 2" at 7

https://i.postimg.cc/W4cxjxRs/20250428-141313.jpg (https://postimg.cc/zypxFtXQ)





Overall, at this moment i would say that the Jerkman Custom Panels are great. If you are a dedicated HK user then they are possibly worth the pricetag($235) ...for the casual hk user who is just passing through they may not be. For the Dirty Performance Whore who happens to be using an HK but is easily separated from their money in the name of a tenth here and there (that's me!) - i'm down. Were I running a vp9 or p30l in matches, and didn't want brass from Taylor Freelance, then this seems like the way. Jerkman claims he has sets being ran with 40k rounds on them, as reported by the customer. I'll see how they tear up my clothes and report any issues. So far i dig them!

[backtrail540]

Foolish - i forgot to post pics of the panels...

https://i.postimg.cc/7PBv7BzN/20250428-170508.jpg (https://postimg.cc/bd2Ff93G)

https://i.postimg.cc/qqD9TRrF/20250428-170512.jpg (https://postimg.cc/V0M79zd9)

https://i.postimg.cc/QxPRYH09/20250428-170517.jpg (https://postimg.cc/ppfGpXNR)

[Chewbacca10]

Nice review. Those grip panels look interesting, although I am not bothered much by the stock ones. Will have to think about those.

Edit: actually, now that I think about it some more, the texture on the SK is different than the full size. I like the texture on the full size better.

[backtrail540]

Nice review. Those grip panels look interesting, although I am not bothered much by the stock ones. Will have to think about those.

Edit: actually, now that I think about it some more, the texture on the SK is different than the full size. I like the texture on the full size better.

Yes the old p30 fullsize texture was fine. The newer macaroni texture is awful.