Self Defense & the Law class (By Phone)

[Mitchell, Esq.]

Now that Zimmerman is on trial and the topic is fresh in everyone's mind, who wants to do it again?

Topics:

How self defense is viewed by the legal system;
Defining "reasonable";
Reasonable as part of Self Defense;
What is reasonable when it comes to using force?;
The two standards for the use of force:
#1 Ability/Opportunity/Intent
#2 Subjective-objective standard
Post Incident Statements – Why they can help you;
Post Incident Statements – Why they can hurt you;
Criminal Procedure – Your arrest, bail and the court process;
Plea bargains – The what & why of the deal;
Modifying a weapon – does it matter, and if so, how?;
Training – Friend or Foe?


Lecture updated from last time.

Time for presentation - 4 hours.

Someone hook me up with a conference call line...

July 14th a good date for people?

[Kyle Reese]

I'm interested.

[Josh Runkle]

I'm interested. Fee?

[Sparks2112]

Sundays are bad for me... :(

[Sparks2112]

On a side note did you get my reply to your pm Mitchell?

[nalesq]

I would be very interested!

[MDS]

Depending on the time, I'm in. I'm on a plane most of the day. If the timing works out, we can use my conference bridge.

[Mitchell, Esq.]

Spark - Got the email.

Mario - time & date are subject to change.

[GOTURBACK]

I am very interested in this lecture, will be keeping an eye out for confirmation of the scheduling. Thank You

[Jason F]

I've got a conference call line we can use, and even record on I believe. PM me if you want to use it, because this sounds like an interesting lecture indeed!

[NETim]

Interested.

[John Ralston]

Interested...

[BaiHu]

Interested depending on time. I believe the day is good, but if it's smack in the middle of the day, it might eff me up.

[MDS]

Gah, I'm on a plane from noon to 8pm. I don't suppose this would be an early morning lecture?

[ford.304]

Interested, but will probably be in a car with a pair of decidedly not gun-nutty folks at the time. Although one of them *is* a lawyer, I might be able to convince him it is interesting...

[Mitchell, Esq.]

Interested, but will probably be in a car with a pair of decidedly not gun-nutty folks at the time. Although one of them *is* a lawyer, I might be able to convince him it is interesting...

Kill the lawyer.

It's better for everyone if less of us exist.

(Oh, no...I thought that out loud and typed it...)

[Mitchell, Esq.]

Gah, I'm on a plane from noon to 8pm. I don't suppose this would be an early morning lecture?

I was thinking around 9AM onward.

[Mitchell, Esq.]

Someone send me info on the phone bridge so I can know how many people can do this thing.

[shootist26]

date should work for me

[Cowtown44]

Very interested but committed to shooting a USPSA match since I'm building a stage. How about a Saturday in July other than the 13th?

[Mitchell, Esq.]

Very interested but committed to shooting a USPSA match since I'm building a stage. How about a Saturday in July other than the 13th?

I'm Jewish.

That's my sabbath.

Unless you want to come to Synagogue with me and listen to me talk with all the other people talking at services when we should be quiet, a Saturday presentation isn't really happening for me.

[ford.304]

Kill the lawyer.

It's better for everyone if less of us exist.


If this is a sample of your legal advice, I'm not sure I should take the class ;-)

[Mitchell, Esq.]

If this is a sample of your legal advice, I'm not sure I should take the class ;-)

That was career advice, not legal advice.

Sheesh, I would never advise somebody to do that over the Internet. I'd it over the phone where no one was listenin!

[JFK]

I'd it over the phone where no one was listenin!

I see what you did there...

I also have a service that you can connect by computer and see your computer screen. It comes with a conf call line as well.

I am interested but will be traveling that day so it can be hit and miss, just depends if US Airways decides to leave on time.

[phil_in_cs]

That was career advice, not legal advice.

Sheesh, I would never advise somebody to do that over the Internet. I'd it over the phone where no one was listenin!

Someone is always listening these days....

[Mitchell, Esq.]

14th is off due to too many conflicts.

What's a good day/time for everyone (excluding Friday night/Saturday)?

[Josh Runkle]

What about the 15th around 6pm EST?

[Mitchell, Esq.]

What about the 15th around 6pm EST?

Jewish fasting day. (See: tisha b'av 2013) Not happening that time.


As to the phone class, I'm still working on a good day/time.

[Bigguy]

Well we certainly need to stay away from December 23rd.

[Mitchell, Esq.]

7/28/13 4pm-8pm

Details to follow for participation.

[BaiHu]

7/28/13 4pm-8pm

Details to follow for participation.


Sounds doable...

[Savage Hands]

We need a DVD series bad!

[Mitchell, Esq.]

We need a DVD series bad!

We'll see how the phone call goes first.

World domination. Step by Step.

[Savage Hands]

We'll see how the phone call goes first.

World domination. Step by Step.



Next step is Skype? :cool:

[Mitchell, Esq.]

Next step is Skype? :cool:

Pocket sized enhanced radiation warheads controlled by smart phones...

Duh!

[JFK]

We need a DVD series bad!

I can produce this.....

[RoyGBiv]

If you're using some sort of teleconference service, can you record it? Please?
I'd certainly be willing to chip in some to help cover cost if I can have a sound file afterwards. No way I can make the date.

Grassyus

[Mitchell, Esq.]

I can produce this.....

PM me. We should talk...

[echo6tango]

7/28/13 4pm-8pm

Details to follow for participation.


Just for clarity, that's Eastern Time, correct?

[Mitchell, Esq.]

Just for clarity, that's Eastern Time, correct?

Yeppers.

[echo6tango]

Yeppers.
Rgr. Thanks. Definitely keeping my eyes open for details.

[LewisM]

Interested in participating as well.

[mnealtx]

We need a DVD series bad!


True, that!! I'd love to listen in, but no way I can do that from over here in dot-mil.

[TumblinDown]

I'm interested...

Question... while you can cover this subject broadly, isn't some of it (and perhaps *really* important parts) state-specific??

[Mitchell, Esq.]

I'm interested...

Question... while you can cover this subject broadly, isn't some of it (and perhaps *really* important parts) state-specific??

I'm only a licensed to practice in Connecticut, so, yes, some of the most important parts which are state specific will be different for those in other states.

You can use the material discussed as a starting point for compare/contract, research, or for a more focused (and less costly) consult with a local authority on the issue.

[nycnoob]

I was talking with Mitchel the other day and realized he does not have a Shot Timer. Perhaps we could take up a collection to buy one for him as a thank you.

[Mitchell, Esq.]

Please email Mlakeesq@yahoo.com with your screen name to get login info & your handy PDF to follow along for Sunday.

Please put "P-F SD&L" in the email title.

[BaiHu]

My schedule got screwed up going into this past weekend: a) how did it go? b) can I buy a dvd sometime soon?

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2

[nalesq]

My schedule got screwed up going into this past weekend: a) how did it go?

I think it went very well.

There were many excellent teaching points, but the highlights for me were the following:

Mitchell had a great approach in explaining the legality of preemptive attack. The gist of it is that you can use your knowledge of the instant circumstances and observe your encroacher's pre-assault cues to come to a reasonable belief that an escalation of force is necessary, even before the encroacher has actually initiated violence. In my experience, that is a concept a lot of people have trouble grasping, especially when they are also told that they cannot instigate confrontations that lead to use of deadly force.

He also did a particularly excellent job explaining how formal training (like ECQC) can make a significant difference in helping a defendant properly articulate the reasonableness of his actions in the legal aftermath of a self defense shooting. I am all for anything that helps encourage folks to seek out formal training beyond whatever state-mandated requirements exist to say, have a concealed handgun permit.

[RoyGBiv]

Still hoping this was recorded and will be posted someplace...for download preferably so I can listen to it in the car..??

[imp1295]

A recording would be awesome. I can't stream through the firewall here in the Sandbox.

[Mitchell, Esq.]

Still hoping this was recorded and will be posted someplace...for download preferably so I can listen to it in the car..??

Sorry.

Live participation only for this one.

In the future...who knows.

[RoyGBiv]

Sorry.

Live participation only for this one.

In the future...who knows.

http://th07.deviantart.net/fs71/300W/f/2011/349/a/0/lonely_dash_by_regolithx-d4j6tn3.png

[John Ralston]

My schedule got screwed up going into this past weekend: a) how did it go? b) can I buy a dvd sometime soon?

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2

Same here...hoping to make the next one.

[nycnoob]

I am taking up a collection to thank Mitchell for the Phone Class.
Ostensibly this collection is to buy him a Shot Timer which his does not have
but I am sure he could put any money collected to good use.


I will accept three methods of payment

1) a check mailed to my home

2) cash mailed to my home (actually I have done this a few times
and had not had problems, just wrap the bills in tinfoil)

3) paypal, (Everyone's favorite)


While your donations are between you and your god, it might be easier
if I set some parameters:

$10 Brown turd level
$20 Platinum Executive lifetime level

It might be best if I give the resulting take to Mitchell as a Gift
certificate to Brownells or something similar. That way if there is
any extra he can buy snap caps or a sight tool or the little handle
which replaces the glock slide cover.