The Films of Michael Mann

[JSGlock34]

I've long been a fan of Michael Mann's work, dating back to my misspent youth watching Miami Vice reruns and trying to figure out what Sonny Crockett was carrying in Season One before the invention of Google. Mann's attention to technical proficiency gives his films a particular intelligence and air of authenticity that sets him apart from his contemporaries. While his attention to firearms selection and training makes him particularly appealing to the members here, his eye for detail extends to nearly any tool used by his characters. I recently was listening to the Director's Commentary for Thief (Mann is one of the few Directors that will get me to turn on the Director's track) and was struck by the array of real tools used by Frank (James Caan) during the film as he executes his heists.

The Thief commentary had a few more gems within as Mann and Caan discussed the making of the film. Mann apparently attended the American Pistol Institute in 1979.

JAMES CAAN: "I got to handle these tools that Michael talked about...I got to handle my gun...oh, that was another great thing...we went to Jeff Cooper in Gunsite, Arizona and went through a course...we shot for two days...learned how to go through rooms, houses...how to draw and fire..."

During the final scene...

JAMES CAAN: "...and now we will see some of the techniques that Michael and I learned from Jeff Cooper called sweeping...sweeping a house, sweeping a room, etc."

Interestingly, there is a list of notable Gunsite students at Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunsite_Training_Center), and James Caan's name is specifically not listed, along with the following explanation...

Actor James Caan is sometimes included in the foregoing list, but when he told Cooper than he wanted to learn the Modern Technique for his role in the Michael Mann production, Thief (1981), Cooper declined, reasoning that Caan's character, an ex-con and career criminal, would not have been exposed to such training. Caan and Mann did, however, induce Gunsite's then D.Ops, Galen D. "Chuck" Taylor, to give him a one evening crash course, not in shooting, but looking like he knew how to shoot and move with a handgun. So thorough was Taylor's instruction, that many who saw the movie were convinced that Caan had been through Gunsite.

I'm inclined to take Mann and Caan's statements over Wikipedia, but it is curious to see the discrepancy. Still Mann's interest in properly training his actors (and actresses) in firearms use remains consistent throughout his filmography. Jim Zubiena becomes his lead trainer for Miami Vice (TV) and Manhunter. Thankfully Mann didn't let the made-for-TV LA Takedown dissuade him from revisiting that storyline in his epic, Heat. Andy McNab and Mick Gould trained the actors for Heat, with Gould continuing on to train Tom Cruise for Collateral and the cast for the 2006 big screen reboot of Miami Vice.

https://scontent-1.2914.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/22363_289725649782_2715395_n.jpg
L to R Michael Mann, Robert Deniro and Mick Gould

Recently I discovered Mick Gould's website (http://www.mickgould.com), which contains a neat gallery (http://www.mickgould.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=148%3Amiami-gallery&Itemid=131) showing the training of the actors for Heat and Miami Vice. I'd never seen these production pictures from Heat before, so I thought I'd share with the fans on this site.

https://scontent-1.2914.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/22363_289719274782_4028299_n.jpg

https://scontent-1.2914.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t1.0-9/66296_487095269782_3917351_n.jpg

There are a number of videos that show the behind the scenes training for Heat, Collateral and Miami Vice. I'm sure they've been widely seen here, but thought I'd post them if anyone was interested.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW0yebyGk-8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8-P8sJNHk0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uoKTI_gmqo

Here's hoping that Mann returns to the crime saga soon.

[orionz06]

We are ripe for another kick ass Mann movie soon.

[JDM]

Great thread!

[JSGlock34]

We are ripe for another kick ass Mann movie soon.

Here's hoping. He just started filming an untitled 'cyber terrorism' movie starring Chris Hemsworth (Thor). Apparently it will have an international plot, with filming in Los Angeles and Hong Kong. The Hollywood Reporter (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/lust-caution-stars-board-michael-522269) description gives me some hope...

Chris Hemsworth is toplining the pic, which has been described as being in the vein of Mann’s crime movies Heat and Thief but with a technology angle, focusing on cyber theft and cyber attacks.

as does the summary on HSX (www.hsx.com)...

Michael Mann directs a spy thriller about cyber terrorism. Chris Hemsworth and Viola Davis star as FBI agents who team up with their Chinese counterparts to track down a Balkan hacker in Southeast Asia. The script is by Mann and Morgan Davis Foehl.

[SeriousStudent]

Oh please, oh please, let them not screw up the computer stuff.

I hope Michael Mann takes the same approach to computers as he does to firearms.

[Mr_White]

I heard computer graphics use polygons. Maybe he will use them?

[LHS]

Oh please, oh please, let them not screw up the computer stuff.

I hope Michael Mann takes the same approach to computers as he does to firearms.

This. I had to break out my WTF face when I saw the Oracle Exadata machine in a freaking news van in Iron Man 3.

[SeriousStudent]

Well, hopefully the same guy who will not fling 37 projectiles out of a 1911 without a reload, will apply similar sanity to the geekery.

If he hired Andy Standford for shooting irons, maybe Dave Litchfield can get a consulting gig as well. ;)

[will_1400]

This. I had to break out my WTF face when I saw the Oracle Exadata machine in a freaking news van in Iron Man 3.

You mean you can't hack NORAD/NORTHCOM with a kittening latptop? *epic sarcasm*

[JSGlock34]

Well, hopefully the same guy who will not fling 37 projectiles out of a 1911 without a reload, will apply similar sanity to the geekery.

If he hired Andy Standford for shooting irons, maybe Dave Litchfield can get a consulting gig as well. ;)

Mann tends to surround himself with the experts. Apparently his technical advisor for the film is named Paul Vilevac.

As a known leader in the cyber security space, Paul is currently technical advisor to Michael Mann and John Nelson on the movie “Cyber”, a cyber security thriller. From the motivations and behaviors of “hackers” to the deep knowledge of methods and modalities of system compromise and exploitation, Paul ensures the coherence and accuracy for the Michael Mann project.


You mean you can't hack NORAD/NORTHCOM with a kittening latptop? *epic sarcasm*

Pppffffttt. Everyone knows you use an IMSAI 8080 for that.

http://www.imsai.net/images/war_image/lobby_card.jpg

[Clyde from Carolina]

Agreed, great thread.

[JSGlock34]

I had mentioned this in an earlier thread, but one of the things that is interesting about Mann is his willingness to revisit earlier material. If you were ever curious what Heat would look like on a 1980s 'made-for-TV' budget, check out Mann's previous attempt at this storyline, L.A. Takedown. Yes, even many of the character names (Hanna, Waingro, etc) are the same. I've linked the bank robbery sequence below, which is a surprisingly close analogue to Heat, but be warned - what has been seen cannot be unseen.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7EqYkCsxzXc

Amazing what a difference a $60 million budget can make...

Mann revisited elements of Heat in 2002 when he produced the television series Robbery Homicide Division, which followed an elite unit of detectives very similar to Hanna's. Tom Sizemore (who played Michael Cherrito in Heat) was cast in the role of Lieutenant Sam Cole. Sadly, the series didn't make it past its first season (largely due to Sizemore's arrest), though it showed promise.

I'm looking forward to his cyber movie, but I'd also like to see Mann revisit the crime genre on the small screen. His most recent venture, the cancelled Luck on HBO, didn't draw my interest. He's taken two swings at the police procedural though on TV and missed - LA Takedown was supposedly the pilot for a longer series (though thankfully it didn't get picked up, as perhaps Heat would never have been made), and Robbery Homicide Division didn't make it past the first season. I'd love to see him try one more time on HBO...

[MDS]

I'm a fan of Mann, but I long ago came to terms with the fact that action movies aren't documentaries. I do love quality gunplay and UNIX skills, but it's also fun to watch the shenanigans as they ensue. Hell, if I ever do another startup, I'll have to figure out how to incorporate certain elements of Swordfish into the business plan...

[LOKNLOD]

Hell, if I ever do another startup, I'll have to figure out how to incorporate certain elements of Swordfish into the business plan...

Certain elements of Swordfish are good enough to be a business plan in and of themselves.

[Mitchell, Esq.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFsPDzSbgts

LA Takedown.

[LHS]

Wow, I wanted a SPAS-15 so bad in the early 90s.


I had mentioned this in an earlier thread, but one of the things that is interesting about Mann is his willingness to revisit earlier material. If you were ever curious what Heat would look like on a 1980s 'made-for-TV' budget, check out Mann's previous attempt at this storyline, L.A. Takedown. Yes, even many of the character names (Hanna, Waingro, etc) are the same. I've linked the bank robbery sequence below, which is a surprisingly close analogue to Heat, but be warned - what has been seen cannot be unseen.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7EqYkCsxzXc

Amazing what a difference a $60 million budget can make...

Mann revisited elements of Heat in 2002 when he produced the television series Robbery Homicide Division, which followed an elite unit of detectives very similar to Hanna's. Tom Sizemore (who played Michael Cherrito in Heat) was cast in the role of Lieutenant Sam Cole. Sadly, the series didn't make it past its first season (largely due to Sizemore's arrest), though it showed promise.

I'm looking forward to his cyber movie, but I'd also like to see Mann revisit the crime genre on the small screen. His most recent venture, the cancelled Luck on HBO, didn't draw my interest. He's taken two swings at the police procedural though on TV and missed - LA Takedown was supposedly the pilot for a longer series (though thankfully it didn't get picked up, as perhaps Heat would never have been made), and Robbery Homicide Division didn't make it past the first season. I'd love to see him try one more time on HBO...

[TGS]

I've linked the bank robbery sequence below, which is a surprisingly close analogue to Heat, but be warned - what has been seen cannot be unseen.

Yet it's still better than shootout scenes in most movies.

What rifle was that the detective was using, an AR18?

ETA: Looked it up on IMFDB, it was a Spas-15. I'd ever heard of a Spas-15, just the 12. And, of course, now I've actually bothered to read LHS's post above mine..... :p

I'm disappointed there's no HK P7. How are you going to make an 80's villain movie without a P7? :(

[JSGlock34]

I'm disappointed there's no HK P7. How are you going to make an 80's villain movie without a P7? :(

Indeed. There is a vacancy in my safe for a hard chromed P7M13.

http://zombietacgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/hans-2.jpg

[vcdgrips]

Michael Mann is no longer worthy of my time, or treasure given his continued support for Roman Polanski.
I will miss his good faith efforts to tactical detail.



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704471504574448033489885784.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/01/movies/01pola.html?_r=0

[JSGlock34]

Stumbled across this today; got a kick out of it even though it's airsoft.

http://www.crw-airsoft.com/ekmps/shops/crwuk/resources/Design/heat-poster2s.jpg

http://6mm.cz/wp-content/uploads/heat-1.jpg

[MD7305]

Airsoft or not....that's too cool!

[JSGlock34]

No word on supercomputers, but looks like the upcoming 'Cyber' (possibly retitled 'Black Hat) will have some guns...

First Official Images From Michael Mann’s Cyber (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/06/05/first-official-images-of-michael-manns-cyber/)

http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/cyber001-600x421.jpg?9098e0

http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/cyber002-600x799.jpg?9098e0

[jc000]

Manhunter is such a classic, easily one of my top 20 movies. Though it veers considerably from the novel it still kicks the crap out of the lame Red Dragon franchise effort.

[NickA]

Michael Mann doesn't need any fancy repeatin' firearms. He does just fine with muzzle loaders, tomahawks, and a vengeful Mohican father with a frightfully large war club:

The Last of the Mohicans Final Battle (Promentory…: http://youtu.be/iGz3XxDTsCk

One of the best final fight scenes ever.

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[jlw]

No word on supercomputers, but looks like the upcoming 'Cyber' (possibly retitled 'Black Hat) will have some guns...



There is a film due to release in 2014 under the title "Blackhats". There is a familiar name in the credits...

[TCinVA]

You know you're moving up in the world when you make IMDB. When you start getting stories about crossdressing stunts going horribly wrong, you have to share.

[SeriousStudent]

There is a film due to release in 2014 under the title "Blackhats". There is a familiar name in the credits...

Hmmmmm... what sort of BBQ or court gun goes with a tux on the red carpet, Chief?

[LHS]

Hmmmmm... what sort of BBQ or court gun goes with a tux on the red carpet, Chief?

It's gotta be on the California 'safe gun' roster, doesn't it? :P

[45dotACP]

You mean you can't hack NORAD/NORTHCOM with a kittening latptop? *epic sarcasm*

Whaaaat?

http://mos.totalfilm.com/images/7/7-movie-hackers-who-can-t-actually-hack-02-376-75.jpg

[SeriousStudent]

It's gotta be on the California 'safe gun' roster, doesn't it? :P

Personally, I'd love to see the Chief toting a classic lever action Winchester, preferably something with awesome grain on the wood, and at least 90+ years old.

[jlw]

Personally, I'd love to see the Chief toting a classic lever action Winchester, preferably something with awesome grain on the wood, and at least 90+ years old.

So would I.

[LHS]

Personally, I'd love to see the Chief toting a classic lever action Winchester, preferably something with awesome grain on the wood, and at least 90+ years old.

You got me there. I concur.

[Drifting Fate]

Ack, meant to reply with quote.

Anyway, great thread, thanks for posting.

[JSGlock34]

Ha! Looks like there are a couple of movies with some variant of 'Black Hat' in development...

[JSGlock34]

Trailer for the next Michael Mann movie...Blackhat.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ1ZDlLImF8

[GardoneVT]

Trailer for the next Michael Mann movie...Blackhat.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ1ZDlLImF8

Most directors see firearms as two dimensional props. Mann uses them to build the story.

[Hambo]

Nobody mentioned Public Enemies? It like a moving firearms museum: modified BAR, Winchester 1907, 1911 machine pistol, as well as period Colt autos and revolvers, shotguns, Thompsons, Remington Model 8s, and Little Bohemia filmed on location. Gangster movies don't get much better than that.

[JSGlock34]

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Blackhat Poster...

[JSGlock34]

Blackhat Trailer #2


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VGIHBgj45g&spfreload=10

[El Cid]

This scene from Miami Vice is still a favorite. Jim Zubiena shows that action beats reaction. The part with Jim starts after the piece on Thief.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MsKj6RGQ2VM

http://www.thegunzone.com/software/zubiena.html

[Mr_White]

This scene from Miami Vice is still a favorite. Jim Zubiena shows that action beats reaction. The part with Jim starts after the piece on Thief.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MsKj6RGQ2VM

http://www.thegunzone.com/software/zubiena.html

Love that scene.

[JSGlock34]

Love that scene.

Yeah, but probably not as much as this guy...hey, wait a minute...:p


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVX8KAWdnDg

Amazing shooting by the way.

[GardoneVT]

Yeah, but probably not as much as this guy...hey, wait a minute...:p


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVX8KAWdnDg

Amazing shooting by the way.

CUUT!
Wheres the 1911 at? Your set armorer done goofed!!!

Srsly, good shooting though. Even if the prop department dropped the ball. ;)

[JSGlock34]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEZeb5lKPkk

[JSGlock34]

Blackhat is on TV right now, and it is really bad, but it did have one decent shootout. Great 1911 work, but really, the better choice was to keep shooting people in the back, and not drive into the kill zone.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPMsu9a-YAw

[GardoneVT]

Blackhat is on TV right now, and it is really bad, but it did have one decent shootout.

That wasn't it.

The shootout with the containers was much better. The bad guys actually planned their escape , and the good guys put in work with their pistols.

The pictured shootout sucked, because the characters should have been riddled with more holes then a Chicago street. Paper thin street billboards won't stop rifle fire, ever.
AND the good guys were unarmed. The bad guys should have just walked right up the street and capped the protagonists at close range. The Feds would have rolled up to dead principals and a pile of shell casings.

Of course there'd be no movie, because the PLA cyber dude would himself be shot in the back of the skull once his bosses found out he helped make the code which got used to hit the Chinese Reactor. Pretty major plot hole ,that.

Although Mann does deserve credit in one area ; Obama's foreign policy is so jacked up it is very plausible he'd authorize a joint cybercrime operation with a Chinese government agent.

[Drang]

Although Mann does deserve credit in one area ; Obama's foreign policy is so jacked up it is very plausible he'd authorize a joint cybercrime operation with a Chinese government agent.
Like giving ChiCom contractors root access to OPM systems?

[JSGlock34]

I've long been a fan of Michael Mann's work, dating back to my misspent youth watching Miami Vice reruns and trying to figure out what Sonny Crockett was carrying in Season One before the invention of Google. Mann's attention to technical proficiency gives his films a particular intelligence and air of authenticity that sets him apart from his contemporaries. While his attention to firearms selection and training makes him particularly appealing to the members here, his eye for detail extends to nearly any tool used by his characters. I recently was listening to the Director's Commentary for Thief (Mann is one of the few Directors that will get me to turn on the Director's track) and was struck by the array of real tools used by Frank (James Caan) during the film as he executes his heists.

The Thief commentary had a few more gems within as Mann and Caan discussed the making of the film. Mann apparently attended the American Pistol Institute in 1979.

JAMES CAAN: "I got to handle these tools that Michael talked about...I got to handle my gun...oh, that was another great thing...we went to Jeff Cooper in Gunsite, Arizona and went through a course...we shot for two days...learned how to go through rooms, houses...how to draw and fire..."

During the final scene...

JAMES CAAN: "...and now we will see some of the techniques that Michael and I learned from Jeff Cooper called sweeping...sweeping a house, sweeping a room, etc."

Interestingly, there is a list of notable Gunsite students at Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunsite_Training_Center), and James Caan's name is specifically not listed, along with the following explanation...

Actor James Caan is sometimes included in the foregoing list, but when he told Cooper than he wanted to learn the Modern Technique for his role in the Michael Mann production, Thief (1981), Cooper declined, reasoning that Caan's character, an ex-con and career criminal, would not have been exposed to such training. Caan and Mann did, however, induce Gunsite's then D.Ops, Galen D. "Chuck" Taylor, to give him a one evening crash course, not in shooting, but looking like he knew how to shoot and move with a handgun. So thorough was Taylor's instruction, that many who saw the movie were convinced that Caan had been through Gunsite.

I'm inclined to take Mann and Caan's statements over Wikipedia, but it is curious to see the discrepancy. Still Mann's interest in properly training his actors (and actresses) in firearms use remains consistent throughout his filmography. Jim Zubiena becomes his lead trainer for Miami Vice (TV) and Manhunter. Thankfully Mann didn't let the made-for-TV LA Takedown dissuade him from revisiting that storyline in his epic, Heat. Andy McNab and Mick Gould trained the actors for Heat, with Gould continuing on to train Tom Cruise for Collateral and the cast for the 2006 big screen reboot of Miami Vice.

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L to R Michael Mann, Robert Deniro and Mick Gould

Recently I discovered Mick Gould's website (http://www.mickgould.net), which contains a neat gallery (http://mickgould.net/photographs-from-the-past/) showing the training of the actors for Heat and Miami Vice. I'd never seen these production pictures from Heat before, so I thought I'd share with the fans on this site.

http://mickgould.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/heat001.jpg

http://mickgould.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/heat012.jpg

http://mickgould.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/heat-018.jpg

There are a number of videos that show the behind the scenes training for Heat, Collateral and Miami Vice. I'm sure they've been widely seen here, but thought I'd post them if anyone was interested.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW0yebyGk-8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8-P8sJNHk0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdNsjmA8lyI

Gould's site also added a number of behind the scenes pictures for Miami Vice.

http://mickgould.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Collin-Mick.jpg

Here's hoping that Mann returns to the crime saga soon.

The 'Favorite Movie - What's yours? (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?18133-Favorite-Movie-What-s-yours)' thread motivated me to fix the links in the original post of this thread. If a Mod wanders in here and can update the original post, please go ahead and delete this one.

[Casual Friday]

I get up at 3am M-F for work so on the weekends I find myself wide awake by 4 at the latest. Not wanting to wake my kids with the tv this morning I watched L.A Takedown on You Tube and I gotta admit I liked it for what it was. No doubt Heat is a million times better but L.A Takedown didn't disappoint.


I had mentioned this in an earlier thread, but one of the things that is interesting about Mann is his willingness to revisit earlier material. If you were ever curious what Heat would look like on a 1980s 'made-for-TV' budget, check out Mann's previous attempt at this storyline, L.A. Takedown. Yes, even many of the character names (Hanna, Waingro, etc) are the same. I've linked the bank robbery sequence below, which is a surprisingly close analogue to Heat, but be warned - what has been seen cannot be unseen.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7EqYkCsxzXc

Amazing what a difference a $60 million budget can make...

Mann revisited elements of Heat in 2002 when he produced the television series Robbery Homicide Division, which followed an elite unit of detectives very similar to Hanna's. Tom Sizemore (who played Michael Cherrito in Heat) was cast in the role of Lieutenant Sam Cole. Sadly, the series didn't make it past its first season (largely due to Sizemore's arrest), though it showed promise.

I'm looking forward to his cyber movie, but I'd also like to see Mann revisit the crime genre on the small screen. His most recent venture, the cancelled Luck on HBO, didn't draw my interest. He's taken two swings at the police procedural though on TV and missed - LA Takedown was supposedly the pilot for a longer series (though thankfully it didn't get picked up, as perhaps Heat would never have been made), and Robbery Homicide Division didn't make it past the first season. I'd love to see him try one more time on HBO...

[JSGlock34]

Michael Mann developing 'Heat' Prequel Book and Movie (http://collider.com/heat-prequel-book-movie-michael-mann/)

Not sure how I feel about this...Mann has revisited this material throughout his career. Thief, LA Takedown, Heat, and Robbery Homicide Division are all essentially versions of the same story and characters. The 2006 big screen Miami Vice was basically an extended and updated version of the 1985 episode 'Smuggler's Blues' from season one (even containing some of the same dialogue).

On the other hand, he is apparently teaming up with Don Winslow, who wrote Savages, The Cartel, and The Winter of Frankie Machine. Good stuff. Winslow is one of my favorite authors and I can't think of a better pairing for Mann's material.

http://deadline.com/2016/04/michael-mann-books-harper-collins-heat-prequel-don-winslow-tony-accardo-sam-giancana-1201735560/

[Casual Friday]

I'll watch it.

[JDM]

I'll watch it.

[JSGlock34]

Great info from John O on Chuck Taylor, Gunsite, Cooper, Caan & the movie Thief. + more (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?21790-Chuck-Taylor-Gunsite-Cooper-Caan-amp-the-movie-Thief-more).


Earlier today I had the opportunity to get Chuck Taylor's take on what happened at Gunsite with Jeff Cooper and James Caan.

Chuck's recollection.
Feb. 1980 James Caan and Michael Mann showed up at Gunsite with a couple of Hogue long slide 1911s. Rather than use colorful language I will say Chuck did not think highly of Caan or Mann. A meeting took place in Cooper's office (The Crow's Nest) in his home. From the get go Cooper thought they both were the southbound end of a northbound horse and blew them off even though they were paying handsomely for a private tutorial. Mann wanted Caan to have some idea about what he was doing. Caan did not want to be there. Caan's hobby was rodeo. There was a rodeo in Denver coming up and Caan wanted out and to get to the rodeo.

The intention was for Caan to get five days of training. Cooper was offended because the hero, Caan was a bad guy. Cooper purposely dropped the whole thing in Taylor's lap. Chuck told me that Cooper used Taylor to get himself off the hook because Mann had paid for the training. Cooper did not refuse to give Caan training Cooper just refused to personally provide the training. Chuck said this all took place during the "off season" when nothing else was going on at Gunsite.

Chuck told me that he did some significant work on the script making the action realistic and was promised screen credit which he said he was "screwed out of".

Chuck said Caan did not want to listen or pay attention because he did not want to be there. He said Caan had a terrible trigger mash and decided that the only thing he could accomplish with Caan was make him look like he knew how to handle a weapon.

The conversation went off topic because Chuck continuously kept expressing his disdain for Caan and how it was nothing like when he worked with Gene Hackman on Uncommon Valor. Chuck spoke very highly about Hackman and said that he was an "absolute pleasure to work with". According to Chuck the M1 Hackman used in the movie was Hackman's personal weapon. John Milius had Taylor do some significant script polishing. Chuck said he included a lot of stuff he was involved in in Vietnam. Chucks unit 1st Battalion 11th Infantry Recon Team Arizona (his LRRP Team designation). Chuck wrote that into the script. Chuck said he got screen credit for the training but not the script work. Screwed again! Chuck doesn't speak highly about the Hollywood moguls. Said he was given the song and dance about having to join the Screen Writers Guild (Union) in order to receive on screen credit.


According to Chuck the "famous" Glock 17 is now at 327,000 rounds and still running and will shoot into 1" at 25 yards.

[JSGlock34]

I stumbled across this clip of an interview with Jim Zubiena...did anyone catch the whole thing? Can't seem to find a link to the full interview.


https://video-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t43.1792-2/10177828_435244356681957_1673424797_n.mp4?efg=eyJy bHIiOjE1MDAsInJsYSI6MTAyNCwidmVuY29kZV90YWciOiJzdm VfaGQifQ%3D%3D&rl=1500&vabr=542&oh=9167ffcaf49ad723bd6e11c0587b5dc5&oe=57D7A242

Also found this interview with Taran Butler, who apparently met Mann while Tom Cruise was training for Collateral. Butler was later involved in Miami Vice (the film) and Public Enemies.

Taran Butler: Shooting Instructor to Stars (http://www.range365.com/taran-butler-shooting-instructor-to-stars)

[Gater]

Necropost and a bit of drift, but I thought a few of the P-F Michael Mann fans might be interested in this piece of trivia: Mann says in the 10th anniversary Heat DVD that the scene where De Niro's character parks his USP on his table and stares out at the ocean was inspired by a 1967 painting by a Canadian artist, Alex Colville, called "Pacific", which shows a guy in the same pose with his Hi Power on a table behind him:

http://alexcolville.ca/gallery/alex_colville_1967_pacific/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONmgaO09OxM

Colville served in WW2, and his work includes some of the images he saw (including the Bergen Belsen death camp). The "Pacific" painting was done while he has in Santa Cruz. He was apparently a shooter (he did another interesting painting called "In The Woods" featuring a P210).

There are some detailed articles on the art/imagery influence on Mann's work, but...yawn.

[43Under]

Necropost and a bit of drift, but I thought a few of the P-F Michael Mann fans might be interested in this piece of trivia: Mann says in the 10th anniversary Heat DVD that the scene where De Niro's character parks his USP on his table and stares out at the ocean was inspired by a 1967 painting by a Canadian artist, Alex Colville, called "Pacific", which shows a guy in the same pose with his Hi Power on a table behind him:

http://alexcolville.ca/gallery/alex_colville_1967_pacific/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONmgaO09OxM

Colville served in WW2, and his work includes some of the images he saw (including the Bergen Belsen death camp). The "Pacific" painting was done while he has in Santa Cruz. He was apparently a shooter (he did another interesting painting called "In The Woods" featuring a P210).

There are some detailed articles on the art/imagery influence on Mann's work, but...yawn.

Check out my avatar.

[Gater]

Check out my avatar.

Ha! Perfect!

[Casual Friday]

Manhunter is such a classic, easily one of my top 20 movies. Though it veers considerably from the novel it still kicks the crap out of the lame Red Dragon franchise effort.

I watched Manhunter again the other night. Definitely better than Red Dragon.

[JSGlock34]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5nkm-L4A1Y

[Bucky]

I’m up for Bad Boys 3. :)

[scjbash]

I’m up for Bad Boys 3. :)

Bad Boys For Life

January 2020

[HCM]

I’m up for Bad Boys 3. :)


Bad Boys For Life

January 2020

Belay that trash.

I want a sequel to the REAL Bad Boys -1983


https://youtu.be/QAHYoA_TOjk


https://youtu.be/J_q9Hk44cxg

[SAWBONES]

Belay that trash.

I want a sequel to the REAL Bad Boys -1983


Yeah.

I actually saw that at a drive-in back in '83.

[Rex G]

Necropost and a bit of drift, but I thought a few of the P-F Michael Mann fans might be interested in this piece of trivia: Mann says in the 10th anniversary Heat DVD that the scene where De Niro's character parks his USP on his table and stares out at the ocean was inspired by a 1967 painting by a Canadian artist, Alex Colville, called "Pacific", which shows a guy in the same pose with his Hi Power on a table behind him:

http://alexcolville.ca/gallery/alex_colville_1967_pacific/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONmgaO09OxM

Colville served in WW2, and his work includes some of the images he saw (including the Bergen Belsen death camp). The "Pacific" painting was done while he has in Santa Cruz. He was apparently a shooter (he did another interesting painting called "In The Woods" featuring a P210).

There are some detailed articles on the art/imagery influence on Mann's work, but...yawn.


Check out my avatar.

Just about the time I get the “need” for a classic Hi Power out of my system, y’all pull me back in.

I live near one of the top enablers in the South, if not in all of the USA. I will not die with much money in the bank.

[Casual Friday]

Amazon Prime has Heat on Blu-ray for $7.99 or the 2 disc special edition for $8.28.

https://www.amazon.com/Heat-Jon-Voight/dp/B06XS9TPYR/ref=tmm_blu_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1562688112&sr=8-5

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0006J28KU/ref=sspa_dk_detail_6?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B0006J28KU&pd_rd_w=JglxE&pf_rd_p=8a8f3917-7900-4ce8-ad90-adf0d53c0985&pd_rd_wg=QJVM1&pf_rd_r=6WK7YQHC64RQ7GPHRJ1Q&pd_rd_r=ebca293e-a262-11e9-9824-5d2cb66f5e0a&smid=A2FVDFP7QLH62R

[Gater]

Belay that trash.

I want a sequel to the REAL Bad Boys -1983


Had to go back to find the vending machine part. Classic!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPoxee46S4s

[Gater]

Just about the time I get the “need” for a classic Hi Power out of my system, y’all pull me back in.

I live near one of the top enablers in the South, if not in all of the USA. I will not die with much money in the bank.

You got your revenge...seeing that pic again is reminding me I still need to get a set of Spegels for mine... :)

[JSGlock34]

Not sure we needed this but...

SSD: Dead Air + Noveske “Heat Model” Colt 733 Enhanced Clone package (http://soldiersystems.net/2020/01/03/dead-air-noveske-heat-model-colt-733-enhanced-clone-package/)

http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Heat1-440x440.jpg

Michael Mann productions tend to have above average firearms choreography, and HEAT is considered among his best. Dead Air Armament and Noveske Rifleworks seem to agree, because they’ve partnered up to produce an extremely limited “Heat Model” Colt 733 Enhanced Clone package inspired by the big bank shootout from that film, and the Colt 733 wielded by Val Klimer’s character, Chris Shiherlis.

[JSGlock34]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiRJbvTfXqM

[JSGlock34]

Okay, this is pretty cool. Challenge based on the Jim Zubiena Mozambique from Miami Vice.

https://www.triggerprep.com/challenge (Vice Card Challenge)

p/CBN4ivRAE7y
tv/CBQdIZjgDXx

[Amp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht79gZwbla4

[JSGlock34]

Interesting perspective on Heat through the lens of COVID-19...

Michael Mann's 'Heat' At 25: A Newly Relevant Study In Loneliness (https://www.npr.org/2020/09/05/908078733/michael-manns-heat-at-25-a-newly-relevant-study-in-loneliness?ft=nprml&f=1008)

[JSGlock34]

Esquire: 'Heat' at 25: The Making of a Modern Classic (https://www.esquire.com/uk/culture/film/a34802474/heat-25-anniversary/)
https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/w204j0-1608805393.jpg

[ccmdfd]

Esquire: 'Heat' at 25: The Making of a Modern Classic (https://www.esquire.com/uk/culture/film/a34802474/heat-25-anniversary/)
https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/w204j0-1608805393.jpg

So they were actually sitting at the table together!

[JSGlock34]

So they were actually sitting at the table together!

I never quite understood why Mann didn't close the scene with this shot. Funny how the lack of a wide angle shot started theories that they were never actually in the scene together.

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/a11b3e28733309564986a4bfab7a5cbacfd25f87/c=0-70-1998-1199/local/-/media/2016/09/08/USATODAY/USATODAY/636089305438892833-XXX-HEAT-PACINO-DENIRO-JY-5036-71833825-1-.JPG

[scjbash]

My wife got me Thief for Christmas. It's on Blu-ray because we haven't upgraded to a 4K TV but it looks phenomenal. They scanned the original 35mm print in 4K and cleaned up the image, manually removing thousands of imperfections before running it though an automated system to polish it up. Mann fixed color issues and approved the final copy. There's also commentary with Mann and Caan and some other extras. It's definitely worth getting if you're a fan of Mann's movies.

[Balisong]

Still haven't seen Thief. May just blind buy it since I love Heat.

[Blades]

Still haven't seen Thief. May just blind buy it since I love Heat.

Buy it. It's worth it.

[RJ]

I'm a big fan, but I have to say (and I may be in the minority her) but for some reason the 2006 Miami Vice always lets me down. I find the characters, in particular Colin Ferrell, seems very flat and one-dimensional. Maybe it's the script. I am not sure what it is. I don't think it holds a candle to the series.


https://youtu.be/-aMCzRj3Syg

[ccmdfd]

I'm a big fan, but I have to say (and I may be in the minority her) but for some reason the 2006 Miami Vice always lets me down. I find the characters, in particular Colin Ferrell, seems very flat and one-dimensional. Maybe it's the script. I am not sure what it is. I don't think it holds a candle to the series.


https://youtu.be/-aMCzRj3Syg

I agree thoroughly.

Miami Vice movie was a big disappointment

[Balisong]

I agree thoroughly.

Miami Vice movie was a big disappointment

Also agree. It was a damn chick flick and I hate Colin anyway.

[UniSol]

I seem to be one of the odd ones out that liked Miami Vice. It's not Heat but I enjoyed the Michael Mann-isms. Sparse dialogue, big wide shots, gunplay, good soundtrack. Some of the skinheads from Collateral showed back up in MV. I think one of them was the 2nd guy that Vincent burns down in the Mozambique drill scene.

[WobblyPossum]

I really need to watch the original Miami Vice series. It was before my time and I never saw episodes airing on TV while I was younger. The sequence RJ just posted was very well filmed and if the rest of the series was done in the same manner, I think I would enjoy it. Is it available for streaming on any of the major services?

ETA: Looks like the series is available to stream for free on NBC so I just need to download the NBC app to my Apple TV.

[JSGlock34]

Still haven't seen Thief. May just blind buy it since I love Heat.

Thief is worth watching, particularly if you're a Mann fan. There's also more than a bit of Heat in Thief - I can't help but notice that Barry (played by Jim Belushi) has the same taste in cars (Corvette) and rifles (HK91) as Chris (played by Val Kilmer) - and also serves in the overwatch role during shady meetings. They're pretty much the same guy.

Plus, there's some good early 80s gun handling and 1911 shots.

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/6/65/Thief-1911LS-1.jpg/800px-Thief-1911LS-1.jpg


I'm a big fan, but I have to say (and I may be in the minority her) but for some reason the 2006 Miami Vice always lets me down. I find the characters, in particular Colin Ferrell, seems very flat and one-dimensional. Maybe it's the script. I am not sure what it is. I don't think it holds a candle to the series.

I'm disinclined to blame the script, which is very faithful to the series, being essentially an extended adaptation of 'Smuggler's Blues' (Episode 16) from Season One, to the point of even repeating some dialogue. Mann likes to revisit storylines (Heat is no exception, see LA Takedown). I'll admit that I don't understand how the TV version wrapped up the story in under 60 minutes, but the longer movie left a number of unsatisfying loose ends.

There just didn't seem to be any chemistry among the actors. I still enjoyed it, but it definitely didn't capture the magic of the original.

[ranger]

I really need to watch the original Miami Vice series. It was before my time and I never saw episodes airing on TV while I was younger. The sequence RJ just posted was very well filmed and if the rest of the series was done in the same manner, I think I would enjoy it. Is it available for streaming on any of the major services?

ETA: Looks like the series is available to stream for free on NBC so I just need to download the NBC app to my Apple TV.

I was a young Infantry PLT LDR at FT Ord spending a lot of my time in the field (as an IN PL should) when Miami Vice was on TV. This was back in the ancient times of the VCR (Google it). My wife had standing orders to videotape MV so I could watch when I got home.

[trailrunner]

I really need to watch the original Miami Vice series. It was before my time and I never saw episodes airing on TV while I was younger. The sequence RJ just posted was very well filmed and if the rest of the series was done in the same manner, I think I would enjoy it. Is it available for streaming on any of the major services?

ETA: Looks like the series is available to stream for free on NBC so I just need to download the NBC app to my Apple TV.

I was in the middle of grad school and starting my family in the mid-80s, so my time was very limited, but my wife and I looked forward to Friday nights and Miami Vice. It was a ground breaking show in many ways. The first season was solid. The middle seasons had some episodes that were hit and miss, and the show started to go off the rails towards the end. If you don't want to watch all episodes, there are numerous top-10 lists, and I even saw someone on YouTube give a short video on their favorite episodes.

You will recognize a lot of interesting guest stars, including G. Gordon Liddy and Bruce Willis, to name just a few. One of the best episodes (IMO) was the one with Ted Nugent ("Definitely Miami"). Glen Frey was in "Smugglers Blues," which was another good episode.

[NEPAKevin]

I really need to watch the original Miami Vice series. It was before my time ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l3-iufiywU

[Balisong]

Buy it. It's worth it.

Just ordered the Criterion Bluray, be here Wednesday.

[Gary1911A1]

I really need to watch the original Miami Vice series. It was before my time and I never saw episodes airing on TV while I was younger. The sequence RJ just posted was very well filmed and if the rest of the series was done in the same manner, I think I would enjoy it. Is it available for streaming on any of the major services?

ETA: Looks like the series is available to stream for free on NBC so I just need to download the NBC app to my Apple TV.

You can view them here: https://www.nbc.com/miami-vice/episodes

[JSGlock34]

Since we're discussing that iconic scene... this is quite possibly the weirdest (and perhaps most dedicated) Miami Vice parody I've ever seen. I'm not sure why you would do this, but they sure put a lot of effort into it.

https://youtu.be/6_NeqMAAsBk?t=37

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GXh0ig_HNk

[Casual Friday]

Since we're discussing that iconic scene... this is quite possibly the weirdest (and perhaps most dedicated) Miami Vice parody I've ever seen. I'm not sure why you would do this, but they sure put a lot of effort into it.

https://youtu.be/6_NeqMAAsBk?t=37

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GXh0ig_HNk

I'm, well, speechless. That took considerable time, or so it would seem.

[Bucky]

I seem to be one of the odd ones out that liked Miami Vice. It's not Heat but I enjoyed the Michael Mann-isms. Sparse dialogue, big wide shots, gunplay, good soundtrack. Some of the skinheads from Collateral showed back up in MV. I think one of them was the 2nd guy that Vincent burns down in the Mozambique drill scene.

He uses some “edible” gun handling in the ridiculous world that is Hollywood, that always creates a modicum of credibility. FWIW.

[JSGlock34]

I really need to watch the original Miami Vice series. It was before my time and I never saw episodes airing on TV while I was younger. The sequence RJ just posted was very well filmed and if the rest of the series was done in the same manner, I think I would enjoy it. Is it available for streaming on any of the major services?

ETA: Looks like the series is available to stream for free on NBC so I just need to download the NBC app to my Apple TV.

I'd start with the Pilot, and then go right to Calderone's Return, as Jim Zubiena's appearance is probably the most referenced scene on this forum, and among gun enthusiasts, to the point of inspiring the Vice Card Challenge (https://www.triggerprep.com/challenge) (related discussion thread - Miami vice card challenge/Mozambique (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?43200-Miami-vice-card-challenge-Mozambique)). From there, the first two seasons have a number of iconic episodes. Season three sees Dick Wolf take over more creative control of the series, with a distinct change in appearance and tone. Still some good stuff, but not as ground-breaking.

[csheehy]

Kinda OT, but between the Miami Vice parody and the Foghorn Leghorn Supercut in the Glock Gen 5 trigger thread, P-F is KILLING IT this week!

[Trigger]

Also agree. It was a damn chick flick and I hate Colin anyway.

I like the 50Cal shot through the car scene. Through the whole car.

[Balisong]

I like the 50Cal shot through the car scene. Through the whole car.

Yeah right there I was thinking this was gonna be one of the best movies ever made! But then downhill from there.

[RJ]

Looking for something else, found this Mozambique tonight.

Not a dark pin run, but pretty satisfying, I reckon.


https://youtu.be/2z4o-jBlqq0

[JSGlock34]

Fair. Caan takes too long to take the head.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htawoJODHA8

[feudist]

My favorite Mann film remains Manhunter. I recently watched Red Dragon and it was competent. Unobjectionable. Forgettable.

[Casual Friday]

My favorite Mann film remains Manhunter. I recently watched Red Dragon and it was competent. Unobjectionable. Forgettable.

Manhunter is excellent. I feel like it doesn't get the credit it deserves because it's kinda overshadowed by Mann's other work.

[JSGlock34]

Manhunter is excellent. I feel like it doesn't get the credit it deserves because it's kinda overshadowed by Mann's other work.

I think after The Silence of the Lambs was released and pretty much swept the Oscars, Manhunter was condemned to forever be the 'other' Hannibal Lechter movie that didn't star Anthony Hopkins. Still a great film - the aesthetic (clothes, sets, music) evokes the early Miami Vice episodes as well. Even has a Jim Zubiena appearance!

[feudist]

I think after The Silence of the Lambs was released and pretty much swept the Oscars, Manhunter was condemned to forever be the 'other' Hannibal Lechter movie that didn't star Anthony Hopkins. Still a great film - the aesthetic (clothes, sets, music) evokes the early Miami Vice episodes as well. Even has a Jim Zubiena appearance!

Personally I found Brian Cox a pitch perfect Lecter. And the soundtrack was a character in it's own right. Not many soundtracks are so integral to their movies.

Red Dragon had some orchestral muzak thing that could have been pulled from an elevator playlist.

[dtw]

Mann is producing / directing the new crime drama series Tokyo Vice for HBO, based on the Jake Adelstein book.

Unclear whether production has resumed after being halted for coronavirus concerns but hopes are high.

[Wendell]

There's often a lot of richness contained with the 'special features' of Mann movie DVD releases.

I remember one of the actors telling a story about pre-filming preparation, where Mann had deliberately taken them to an unsafe part of town (apparently for the experience); the actor also mentioned that "...we were all carrying guns...he'd gotten us permits..."

[JSGlock34]

There's often a lot of richness contained with the 'special features' of Mann movie DVD releases.

I remember one of the actors telling a story about pre-filming preparation, where Mann had deliberately taken them to an unsafe part of town (apparently for the experience); the actor also mentioned that "...we were all carrying guns...he'd gotten us permits..."

Jamie Foxx actually walked off the Miami Vice set due to safety issues.

Fleeing the Scene: How Jamie Foxx forced the macho Mann to change the ending of Miami Vice (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2006/07/how-jamie-foxx-forced-a-different-ending-of-miami-vice.html)

[Wendell]

Jamie Foxx actually walked off the Miami Vice set due to safety issues.

Fleeing the Scene: How Jamie Foxx forced the macho Mann to change the ending of Miami Vice (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2006/07/how-jamie-foxx-forced-a-different-ending-of-miami-vice.html)

After reading that article, I wish that Mann would have just fired Foxx; the movie was a big disappointment for me, and Foxx ruins everything he's in, as far as I'm concerned.

I'm guessing that it was the producers who were calling the shots, rather than the director.

[Bucky]

After reading that article, I wish that Mann would have just fired Foxx; the movie was a big disappointment for me, and Foxx ruins everything he's in, as far as I'm concerned.

Agree, and I don’t think he’s a good actor.

[WobblyPossum]

After reading that article, I wish that Mann would have just fired Foxx; the movie was a big disappointment for me, and Foxx ruins everything he's in, as far as I'm concerned.

I'm guessing that it was the producers who were calling the shots, rather than the director.

I think he did a great job as Max the cabbie in Collateral. He might be a primadona but half the actors in Hollywood sound like they are.

[Paul D]

The last Mann directed film I liked was Collateral. That was in 2004. The stuff he put out since then has been disappointing. He is now 77 years old. Even prolific artists like the Rolling Stones stop creating stuff to the level that made them famous. I'm going to keep appreciating the great movies he created in the past but I'm not holding my breath for anything new from him. I hope I'm wrong.

[TheNewbie]

I'm a big fan, but I have to say (and I may be in the minority her) but for some reason the 2006 Miami Vice always lets me down. I find the characters, in particular Colin Ferrell, seems very flat and one-dimensional. Maybe it's the script. I am not sure what it is. I don't think it holds a candle to the series.


https://youtu.be/-aMCzRj3Syg


I haven't even tried to watch it. Comments like yours are not new to me, and have pushed me away from trying to watch it. The old school Miami Vice is so good that I just can't stand to be let down by something like that.

[WobblyPossum]

I must be one of the few people who actually enjoyed Blackhat.

[ranger]

I must be one of the few people who actually enjoyed Blackhat.

I liked it - some impressive shootout scenes - including some good work with 1911.

[Wendell]

There was a DRT CNS shot in Miami Vice, which is a scene I remember fondly.

[Gun Mutt]

There was a DRT CNS shot in Miami Vice, which is a scene I remember fondly.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOzqmC2AwQM

[JSGlock34]

Definitely a missed opportunity to reference this scene and dialogue in the movie during the hostage scene in the trailer park.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3iBN8yz-2s

[Gary1911A1]

I think Mann likes the Sig 220 as it's frequently seen in his movies and was Sonny's initial pistol in the TV Miami Vice. Sonny even used it towards the end of the series when he became "Bad Sonny". I bet if the Bren Ten hadn't come along Sonny would of had a Sig through out the series. I'm surprised after the Bren was dropped from the series the Sig 220 didn't replace it.

[Wendell]

Definitely a missed opportunity to reference this scene and dialogue in the movie during the hostage scene in the trailer park.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3iBN8yz-2s

That's the one.

[JSGlock34]

So I stumbled across this pic of DeNiro from Heat that I never saw before and thought I'd share. Guess Neil liked appendix carry for his SIG.
66751

[HCM]

So I stumbled across this pic of DeNiro from Heat that I never saw before and thought I'd share. Guess Neil liked appendix carry for his SIG.
66751

Crossdraw appendix here


https://youtu.be/K2YVhsg3VFg

[Casual Friday]

Blackhat is on TV right now, and it is really bad, but it did have one decent shootout. Great 1911 work, but really, the better choice was to keep shooting people in the back, and not drive into the kill zone.


I'm a big fan, but I have to say (and I may be in the minority her) but for some reason the 2006 Miami Vice always lets me down. I find the characters, in particular Colin Ferrell, seems very flat and one-dimensional. Maybe it's the script. I am not sure what it is. I don't think it holds a candle to the series.


I was up late last night prepping for a night shoot this evening and I watched Blackhat and Miami Vice. The former was as bad as I remember it being when we watched it in theaters. I'm not computer savvy enough to pick up on missteps in relation to the hacking stuff, but overall I just didn't enjoy it.

I haven't watched Miami Vice (movie) in a long time, but I didn't dislike it as much this time around. That could possibly be because I watched it after Blackhat which is kind of a turd. I remember watching Miami Vice in theaters when it came out, it was our first date night after our oldest daughter was born a few months prior and I felt let down. Maybe I (we) expected too much from a movie remake nearly two decades after the show ended, but I agree the characters felt flat and one dimensional, which may be the product of time constraints of a 2hr movie vs a tv series with over 100 episodes.

[HCM]

There is apparently a Miami Vice reboot (Forever Miami ?) coming in 2021 with the original cast. Anyone know if Mann is involved ?


https://youtu.be/IoqPZRjBl0w

[MK11]

There is apparently a Miami Vice reboot (Forever Miami ?) coming in 2021 with the original cast. Anyone know if Mann is involved ?


https://youtu.be/IoqPZRjBl0w

Looks like a fan-made trailer with footage cobbled together from different movies. At least one of those scenes (skull mask with AK) is from Sicario.

[HCM]

Looks like a fan-made trailer with footage cobbled together from different movies. At least one of those scenes (skull mask with AK) is from Sicario.

There are multiple trailers on youtube and supposedly Don Johnson mentioned the new series in a recent interview.

[Trooper224]

I've seen those and I hope that isn't true. Some things are products of their time and should be left alone. The things that made MV iconic can't be repeated. You can't catch lightning in a bottle twice and trying to would be pitifully tragic.

[HCM]

I've seen those and I hope that isn't true. Some things are products of their time and should be left alone. The things that made MV iconic can't be repeated. You can't catch lightning in a bottle twice and trying to would be pitifully tragic.

A last hurrah movie or a mini series would be better.

[omega9]

Looks like a fan-made trailer with footage cobbled together from different movies. At least one of those scenes (skull mask with AK) is from Sicario.

Otis Driftwood from The Devil’s Rejects had a cameo as well.

[orionz06]

I was up late last night prepping for a night shoot this evening and I watched Blackhat and Miami Vice. The former was as bad as I remember it being when we watched it in theaters. I'm not computer savvy enough to pick up on missteps in relation to the hacking stuff, but overall I just didn't enjoy it.

I haven't watched Miami Vice (movie) in a long time, but I didn't dislike it as much this time around. That could possibly be because I watched it after Blackhat which is kind of a turd. I remember watching Miami Vice in theaters when it came out, it was our first date night after our oldest daughter was born a few months prior and I felt let down. Maybe I (we) expected too much from a movie remake nearly two decades after the show ended, but I agree the characters felt flat and one dimensional, which may be the product of time constraints of a 2hr movie vs a tv series with over 100 episodes.

I think lots of folks kinda view the movie from the wrong place. I say this having never seen the series when it was a thing, I did it all via Netflix, on disc, but the movie to me is an homage. It's not as bad as a Tom Clancy plot generator movie, but it's a mashup of Miami Vice stuff made into a Miami Vice movie, with modern actors in modern times. For me, it gets better with time.

[JSGlock34]

There's been rumors of a reboot for a few years now. Vin Diesel was involved at one point. I suspect it will eventually happen.

If they're going to revisit the material, I'd be interested to see what they could do with a modern longer format show on a streaming service. I bet the premise of the pilot episode could stretch into an entire season.

Maybe it would be best to keep it in the 80s.

Having see the rebooted Magnum PI on Network TV...if that's the new standard...hard pass.

[Casual Friday]

I think lots of folks kinda view the movie from the wrong place. I say this having never seen the series when it was a thing, I did it all via Netflix, on disc, but the movie to me is an homage. It's not as bad as a Tom Clancy plot generator movie, but it's a mashup of Miami Vice stuff made into a Miami Vice movie, with modern actors in modern times. For me, it gets better with time.

I was 8 or 9 during the last couple seasons which is when I started watching it, and revisited the series in my teens with reruns. It was definitely better this time around.


There's been rumors of a reboot for a few years now. Vin Diesel was involved at one point. I suspect it will eventually happen.

If they're going to revisit the material, I'd be interested to see what they could do with a modern longer format show on a streaming service. I bet the premise of the pilot episode could stretch into an entire season.

Maybe it would be best to keep it in the 80s.

Having see the rebooted Magnum PI on Network TV...if that's the new standard...hard pass.

If it's to be revisited, it needs to be done on a streaming service that hopefully won't put out some candy coated nonsense like the Magnum PI remake.

[Bucky]

Having see the rebooted Magnum PI on Network TV...if that's the new standard...hard pass.

I’ve been watching it, but admittedly it’s not great. It’s kind of like when it’s the only thing left on the DVR kind of show.

Hawaii 5-0 reboot was better, but Scott Caan kept that show from being really good. Towards the end he seemed to be missing in several episodes, so maybe they figured it out, albeit a bit late.

[NEPAKevin]

Anyone know if Mann is involved ?



FWIW, the only thing mentioned on Mann's IMDB that is even remotely close is a pilot for something called Tokyo Vice (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2887954/?ref_=nm_flmg_prd_4).

[Hambo]

You can't catch lightning in a bottle twice and trying to would be pitifully tragic.

But that's how TV and movies work.

[Casual Friday]

I watched Smuggler's Blues last night and it made me think about how many times an episode should have/could have been a two parter on Miami Vice but it was crammed into one, while others were two part episodes that didn't need to be, like The Golden Triangle which features Thai ninjas and a reveal into Castillo's past. Smuggler's Blues is a story line that I think could have been expanded on, dirty cops ripping off drug dealers, trips to Colombia etc. I can see why they chose it to base the 2006 movie on.

[Gater]

Random but for grins:

https://www.keepshooting.com/al-pacino-lt-vincent-hanna-heat-colt-1991a1-pistol-with-documents.html

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One of the most influential movies ever made was Michael Mann's masterpiece "Heat" which featured this pistol as the gun carried by Al Pacino who played Lt. Vincent Hanna. Lt. Vincent Hana was an LAPD robbery/homicide detective who was tasked with tracking down and stopping the take down crew ran by Neil McCauley who was played by Robert DeNiro.

These two Hollywood Legends were joined by an incredible supporting cast, including Val Kilmer, Tom Sizemore, Jon Voight, Natalie Portman, Danny Trejo, Jeremy Piven, and Henry Rollins. The supremely talented cast was assembled and intense training was put into action to create the most realistic crime drama ever filmed.

For the advanced collector, you have the chance to own the most important firearm in this iconic movie. The Colt 1991A1 that was carried by Al Pacino througout the movie -- and was used to kill Robert DeNiro at the end where there is the showdown between these two Hollywood legends at the airport. No other firearm in the movie "HEAT" was customized like this Colt 1991A1 which stands out as an exceptional gun in a movie full of firearms.

With the advanced age of Al Pacino and Robert DeNiro and their body of work being near complete, and the importance of the movie "HEAT" this Colt 1991A1 may be the most exceptional movie firearm available. There will never be a movie that matches the level of excellence attained by "HEAT" and this pistol is by far the most important firearm from this film. With this pistol being in many of the most important scenes including the ending, this pistol is the "Holy Grail" amongst film and firearms collectors.

.................

There's more details / pics at the link, but what was more interesting was a post on another site by (presumably) a previous buyer. Probably some other interesting guns (and other stuff) on here:

https://www.originalprop.com/blog/2009/11/19/al-pacino%E2%80%99s-hero-m1991a1-series-80-colt-officers-apc-original-movie-prop-gun-from-michael-manns-heat/

Edited to add: it looks from another auction site that this thing sold for $10,240 in April. :rolleyes:

[JSGlock34]

Ian McCollum recreates Val Kilmer...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuaOY5QmvJk

Apparently Forgotten Weapons was also selling Heat vests...
(https://shop.forgottenweapons.com/collections/limited-edition/products/heat-tactical-vest)https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0538/3536/6590/products/FGW-Ian_McCollum_wearing_tactical_vest_1_720x.png?v=16 19040059

[awp_101]

Ian McCollum recreates Val Kilmer...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuaOY5QmvJk

Apparently Forgotten Weapons was also selling Heat vests...
(https://shop.forgottenweapons.com/collections/limited-edition/products/heat-tactical-vest)https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0538/3536/6590/products/FGW-Ian_McCollum_wearing_tactical_vest_1_720x.png?v=16 19040059

IIRC LHS is in the video as well

[LHS]

IIRC LHS is in the video as well

Yep, giving my stirring rendition of DeNiro's bank robbery speech, wherein my attempt to mimic his accent somehow turns into a Bahhston accent...

[JSGlock34]

Apparently the Heat 2 novel is still coming...

Amazon: Heat 2: A Novel
(https://www.amazon.com/dp/0062653318/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&%2AVersion%2A=1&%2Aentries%2A=0)
Michael Mann, four-time Oscar-nominated filmmaker and writer-director of Heat, Collateral, Thief, Manhunter, and Miami Vice, teams up with Edgar Award-winning author Meg Gardiner to deliver Mann’s first crime novel — an explosive return to the world and characters of his classic film Heat — an all-new story that illuminates what happened before and after the iconic film.

Described by Michael Mann as both a prequel and sequel to the renowned, critically acclaimed film of the same name, HEAT 2 covers the formative years of homicide detective Vincent Hanna (Oscar winner Al Pacino) and elite criminals Neil McCauley (Oscar winner Robert De Niro), Chris Shiherlis (Val Kilmer), and Nate (Oscar winner Jon Voight), and features the same extraordinary ambition, scope, rich characterizations, and attention to detail as the epic film.

This new story leads up to the events of the film and then moves beyond it, featuring new characters on both sides of the law, new high-line heists, and breathtakingly cinematic action sequences. Ranging from the streets of L.A. to the inner sancta of rival Taiwanese crime syndicates in Paraguay to a massive drug cartel money-laundering operation just over the border in Mexico, HEAT 2 illuminates the dangerous workings of international crime organizations and the agents who pursue them as it provides a full-blooded portrait of the men and women who inhabit both worlds. Operatic in scope, HEAT 2 is engrossing, moving, and tragic — a masterpiece of crime fiction from one of the most innovative and influential filmmakers in American cinema.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwxAQMfbDwE

https://thefilmstage.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/heat-2-michael-mann.jpeg

[Paul D]

Apparently the Heat 2 novel is still coming...

Amazon: Heat 2: A Novel
(https://www.amazon.com/dp/0062653318/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&%2AVersion%2A=1&%2Aentries%2A=0)
Michael Mann, four-time Oscar-nominated filmmaker and writer-director of Heat, Collateral, Thief, Manhunter, and Miami Vice, teams up with Edgar Award-winning author Meg Gardiner to deliver Mann’s first crime novel — an explosive return to the world and characters of his classic film Heat — an all-new story that illuminates what happened before and after the iconic film.

Described by Michael Mann as both a prequel and sequel to the renowned, critically acclaimed film of the same name, HEAT 2 covers the formative years of homicide detective Vincent Hanna (Oscar winner Al Pacino) and elite criminals Neil McCauley (Oscar winner Robert De Niro), Chris Shiherlis (Val Kilmer), and Nate (Oscar winner Jon Voight), and features the same extraordinary ambition, scope, rich characterizations, and attention to detail as the epic film.

This new story leads up to the events of the film and then moves beyond it, featuring new characters on both sides of the law, new high-line heists, and breathtakingly cinematic action sequences. Ranging from the streets of L.A. to the inner sancta of rival Taiwanese crime syndicates in Paraguay to a massive drug cartel money-laundering operation just over the border in Mexico, HEAT 2 illuminates the dangerous workings of international crime organizations and the agents who pursue them as it provides a full-blooded portrait of the men and women who inhabit both worlds. Operatic in scope, HEAT 2 is engrossing, moving, and tragic — a masterpiece of crime fiction from one of the most innovative and influential filmmakers in American cinema.



I don't think Mann ever wrote a novel, but his co-author has a bunch of titles under her belt. I don't have good feeling about this book.

[NEPAKevin]

Mann is producing / directing the new crime drama series Tokyo Vice for HBO, based on the Jake Adelstein book.

Unclear whether production has resumed after being halted for coronavirus concerns but hopes are high.

I believe this is supposed to start this Thursday with subsequent episodes dropping through the rest of the month.

[scjbash]

Heat 2 movie confirmed.

https://theplaylist.net/michael-mann-confirms-his-heat-sequel-is-already-underway-will-be-a-very-large-movie-20220719/

[Blades]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGPWW9Pjzto


It better be good!

[Sensei]

Heat was the best LE drama of the 90s and in the top 10 of any LE drama ever to come across the large or small screen. The characters have been exhausted and their actors look like bacon. Any sequel would do to the Heat brand what time, cigarettes, bourbon, and cancer did to Val Kilmer’s career.

[LHS]

Heat was the best LE drama of the 90s and in the top 10 of any LE drama ever to come across the large or small screen. The characters have been exhausted and their actors look like bacon. Any sequel would do to the Heat brand what time, cigarettes, bourbon, and cancer did to Val Kilmer’s career.

Chances are that you're right. Maverick pulled it off, but it's very much the exception to the rule.

[Wendell]

In my opinion, the third version of A Star is Born is the best. And I thought that Batman should have ended with Michael Keaton, but I was completely wrong about that. True Grit should not be remade, I would have said, but I was completely wrong about that too. Maybe we're being too cautious.

[MD7305]

Heat 2 movie confirmed.

https://theplaylist.net/michael-mann-confirms-his-heat-sequel-is-already-underway-will-be-a-very-large-movie-20220719/

I listened to the podcast linked in the article a few days ago and it was interesting listening to Mann's insight about the characters. He really, even from the beginning, gave each character a history as far back as childhood that made them who they were. I think a "Godfather II" style sequel of Heat would be great. In the podcast Mann talks about his background and some of his other films. If you're a fan you should give it a listen.

[43Under]

I wish people/directors would learn that prequels mostly suck. You already know who is going to live so where is the drama? Heat, though not a perfect film, is my favorite film. It is best left to stand alone.

[JSGlock34]

I have mixed feelings about this.

Heat is my favorite film. It's a masterpiece. Complete. Comprehensive. I find it hard to envision a prequel/sequel that would complement it. It is Mann's apex work.

On the other hand, Heat's DNA is complicated. It is descended from a TV pilot, so clearly these characters and stories were intended to continue. Robbery Homicide Division (sadly cancelled after one season) was obviously a recast version of Hanna's squad from the film, but the series never found its audience and was plagued by actor Tom Sizemore's personal disaster zone. Perhaps it was before its time...personally, I wish Mann would revisit this concept, as there is space in the streaming universe for a Mann inspired police procedural.

I am compelled to read the book, and I'm hoping that it reflects Mann's obsessive attention to detail. But my biggest fear is that his major contribution will be putting his name on the cover.

I'm not sure how any prequel/sequel movie could recapture the electricity of DeNiro and Pacino colliding on screen, arguably at the height of their respective careers.

[Guerrero]

Michael Mann doesn't need any fancy repeatin' firearms. He does just fine with muzzle loaders, tomahawks, and a vengeful Mohican father with a frightfully large war club:

The Last of the Mohicans Final Battle (Promentory…: http://youtu.be/iGz3XxDTsCk

One of the best final fight scenes ever.

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Concur. The Mann version of "Last of the Mohicans" is a great film. Even the wife loves it (for different reasons, though).

[Blades]

I listened to the podcast linked in the article a few days ago and it was interesting listening to Mann's insight about the characters. He really, even from the beginning, gave each character a history as far back as childhood that made them who they were. I think a "Godfather II" style sequel of Heat would be great. In the podcast Mann talks about his background and some of his other films. If you're a fan you should give it a listen.

I listened to the podcast today and then listened to James Caan's interview. Both were good. Thank you for the recommendation.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

I wish people/directors would learn that prequels mostly suck. You already know who is going to live so where is the drama? Heat, though not a perfect film, is my favorite film. It is best left to stand alone.

I just watched it for the first time tonight, what a fantastic movie. For me the subplots were more interesting than the chase...

[Evil_Ed]

I finally had a chance to watch "Blackhat"; I didn't even know it was a Michael Mann movie, never mind that it was a movie in the first place :o Admittedly around when it came out my only mass consumption inputs were morning AM radio on the way to work, CNBC on tv all day at work, evening FM on the way home since I was all-day-newsed out by that point, and then internet at home...so maybe I somehow missed the ads for it. Not a TV watcher.

Anyway...it's a master class in Michael Mann, that film - lots of good composition shots, lighting, the hand-moved cameras around...it's really easy to get immersed in the scenes like you're actually there and a fly on the wall. If anyone wanted a summation of "Why a Michael Mann movie is considered S-tier", that movie is a compilation of all the best bits that he's been known to do. Miami Vice was another one in the same vein.

It's just too bad that it's not a good movie by itself :( The storyline was meh, whomever he hired as the IT-world technical consultant was very much "give them big buzzwords and three letter acronyms; everyone loves that" with some super dumb mistakes in it (compiled binaries don't have comments, as mentioned earlier, and that's just the easiest one to explain to non-computer people)...it wasn't a story I cared about, nor the characters in it. Just a really hard sell and the IT mistakes in it didn't help. The technical work and heavy lifting of the process and business of making a film was superb but the storyline and script were phoned in, imo.

I guess, not every movie can be perfect..

[SeriousStudent]

I finally had a chance to watch "Blackhat"; I didn't even know it was a Michael Mann movie, never mind that it was a movie in the first place :o Admittedly around when it came out my only mass consumption inputs were morning AM radio on the way to work, CNBC on tv all day at work, evening FM on the way home since I was all-day-newsed out by that point, and then internet at home...so maybe I somehow missed the ads for it. Not a TV watcher.

Anyway...it's a master class in Michael Mann, that film - lots of good composition shots, lighting, the hand-moved cameras around...it's really easy to get immersed in the scenes like you're actually there and a fly on the wall. If anyone wanted a summation of "Why a Michael Mann movie is considered S-tier", that movie is a compilation of all the best bits that he's been known to do. Miami Vice was another one in the same vein.

It's just too bad that it's not a good movie by itself :( The storyline was meh, whomever he hired as the IT-world technical consultant was very much "give them big buzzwords and three letter acronyms; everyone loves that" with some super dumb mistakes in it (compiled binaries don't have comments, as mentioned earlier, and that's just the easiest one to explain to non-computer people)...it wasn't a story I cared about, nor the characters in it. Just a really hard sell and the IT mistakes in it didn't help. The technical work and heavy lifting of the process and business of making a film was superb but the storyline and script were phoned in, imo.

I guess, not every movie can be perfect..

Agreed. As a professional nerd-herder, I was never able to finish watching that movie. The phrase "Sucked so hard I got a bruise" leaps to mind.

It's like asking a Marine to watch "Heartbreak Ridge" and give positive reviews.

Which I also could not do.

[Evil_Ed]

Agreed. As a professional nerd-herder, I was never able to finish watching that movie. The phrase "Sucked so hard I got a bruise" leaps to mind.

It's like asking a Marine to watch "Heartbreak Ridge" and give positive reviews.

Which I also could not do.

I liked Heartbreak Ridge but I saw it more as an action comedy than a documentary...plus, I couldn't/can't serve, so I never had that level of insight either :o

The ending of Blackhat was...decidedly low-tech, I guess? It was kind of anti-climatic, and then left me with even more questions and just general dissatisfaction (if you were trying to disappear, as an anglo...would you choose deep in surveillance state Asia to do it?)

Hopefully his next work is a little more complete...

[feudist]

I finally had a chance to watch "Blackhat"; I didn't even know it was a Michael Mann movie, never mind that it was a movie in the first place :o Admittedly around when it came out my only mass consumption inputs were morning AM radio on the way to work, CNBC on tv all day at work, evening FM on the way home since I was all-day-newsed out by that point, and then internet at home...so maybe I somehow missed the ads for it. Not a TV watcher.

Anyway...it's a master class in Michael Mann, that film - lots of good composition shots, lighting, the hand-moved cameras around...it's really easy to get immersed in the scenes like you're actually there and a fly on the wall. If anyone wanted a summation of "Why a Michael Mann movie is considered S-tier", that movie is a compilation of all the best bits that he's been known to do. Miami Vice was another one in the same vein.

It's just too bad that it's not a good movie by itself :( The storyline was meh, whomever he hired as the IT-world technical consultant was very much "give them big buzzwords and three letter acronyms; everyone loves that" with some super dumb mistakes in it (compiled binaries don't have comments, as mentioned earlier, and that's just the easiest one to explain to non-computer people)...it wasn't a story I cared about, nor the characters in it. Just a really hard sell and the IT mistakes in it didn't help. The technical work and heavy lifting of the process and business of making a film was superb but the storyline and script were phoned in, imo.

I guess, not every movie can be perfect..

I did like the subway ambush scene where the FBI guy is really bearing down on the front sight of that 1911. He really sold the cold, deliberate gunfighter thing.

[Erik]

I mean, come on man, how can you not like this?


https://youtu.be/6uvF-emJDSI

Sure, the movie kind of sucks hard, but it's got some fun moments. I'll admit, though, it bugs the shit out of me that the amphibious assault ship with a big ass 2 on the side was not the Saipan since I happen to have been on the Saipan when we got sent from Gitmo to Grenada.

[Casual Friday]

I wish people/directors would learn that prequels mostly suck. You already know who is going to live so where is the drama? Heat, though not a perfect film, is my favorite film. It is best left to stand alone.

Better Call Saul gives me hope that they might be able to pull Heat 2 off.

[JSGlock34]

Blackhat was a disappointing mish-mash. Mann has an obsession with prison (he filmed The Jericho Mile at Folsom prison, using inmates as extras) which surfaces in many of his films, but in Blackhat it was misplaced. Maybe he was trying to make some kind of poignant artistic statement by concluding a high tech cat and mouse game among hackers with a shiv fight between guys wearing phonebook armor...but it just didn't work. Wonderful 1911 work though.

It's interesting to see how Mann's 2006 Miami Vice, which was largely panned when it came out, has seemingly found a cult following. Personally I credit that to a younger generation who has discovered the movie without the baggage of the television series.

[JSGlock34]

I finished Heat 2 this evening.

It was good. Not great, but enjoyable. I was skeptical and cautious going in, but soon I found myself pulled into the book. The writing flows, though sometimes you can tell that the work is a collaboration between two authors. Chris' character arc is intriguing. The settings are interesting. The appearance of familiar characters never seems forced.

I'd give it a solid B. In the end, I'm not sure this was a story that needed to be told. Thankfully, reading it won't affect how I view and enjoy the original film. If they decide to make it into a movie, there's a number of memorable action set-pieces. A raid on a cartel hotel at the Mexican Border. A car chase through LA. But it lacks the depth of the movie; there's nothing close to Hanna and McCauley discussing dreams over coffee.

Perhaps a coincidence, but I see echos of Mann's past work in here. In some ways, this is a treat. A home invasion crew working Chicago seems to draw inspiration from an episode of Miami Vice (an episode that is appropriately titled, "The Home Invaders"). Heat was a Los Angeles story; Heat 2 is undeniably international. The tri-border region features prominently; I can't help but wonder if some of the scenes set there were originally intended for Mann's 2006 Miami Vice. That film was plagued with production problems, and the international ending (planned for Paraguay) was changed at the last minute to a shootout in Miami.

I'm almost certainly nitpicking here..but this is a firearms forum, so I'll mention it. There's a number of minor gun issues that make me grind my teeth and pull me out of the book. In another story I might not care, but considering the lineage of this book, and Mann's obsession with detail, I'm holding it to a higher standard.

Perhaps more significantly, there's a change to McCauley's backstory that introduces an inconsistency with the original source material. Again, surprising for Mann.

Michael, if you're reading, I'm always available to proof-read your work.

[Gun Mutt]

Jack Carr’s podcast with coauthor Meg Gardiner put this book on my must read list.

[Mark D]

Collateral is on Netflix currently. I'd forgotten how good it is. And of course there's this scene:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEFPcljAXgs


Cruise training retention shooting for the movie at about 6:00


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhZqOYu5BOw

[JSGlock34]

These sold out surprisingly fast.

S.O.Tech “30 Seconds Vest” as Seen in “HEAT”
(https://sotechtactical.com/collections/featured/products/30secondsvest)
https://soldiersystems.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/dsc03810-edit-copy-440x660.jpg
https://soldiersystems.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/30sv_01-440x440.jpg
https://soldiersystems.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/dsc03974-copy-440x534.jpg
https://soldiersystems.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/dsc03756-copy-440x466.jpg

[Jay585]

These sold out surprisingly fast.

S.O.Tech “30 Seconds Vest” as Seen in “HEAT”
(https://sotechtactical.com/collections/featured/products/30secondsvest)
https://soldiersystems.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/dsc03810-edit-copy-440x660.jpg
https://soldiersystems.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/30sv_01-440x440.jpg
https://soldiersystems.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/dsc03974-copy-440x534.jpg
https://soldiersystems.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/dsc03756-copy-440x466.jpg

Hmm looks exactly like the KommandoStore rig. Wonder who copied who

EDIT: Nevermind, there are subtle differences that I didn't pick up on right away. But still - very similar.

https://kommandostore.com/products/the-heat-rig

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2602/7094/products/Heat_Update_1.jpg

[Trooper224]

I recently read Heat 2. With the proper cast it can be a worthy successor. The book is quite good.

[cpd2110]

I recently read Heat 2. With the proper cast it can be a worthy successor. The book is quite good.

I read it last week. I enjoyed it, it read fast for almost 400 pages. I agree, with the right cast (rumor is Adam Driver as Neil) it could be very good. Some good gunfight material to build from and make better in movie form.

[JSGlock34]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-tl1G4KcGU

[awp_101]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-tl1G4KcGU

[thread drift]Watched this yesterday. This is only the second video of his I've ever watched. Is he always this...slightly scattered and vaguely annoying?[/thread drift]

[HCM]

[thread drift]Watched this yesterday. This is only the second video of his I've ever watched. Is he always this...slightly scattered and vaguely annoying?[/thread drift]

Yes.

If you are over 30 you’re probably not his target market.

How many times did he mention “big chimp energy?”