View Full Version : My new "j-frame".....G26/27 or M&P Compact?
xray 99
04-23-2011, 02:24 PM
I read DocGKR's thread and "awoke from my dogmatic slumbers." Both of these guns at least double the J-frame's round count. Of the two, which would you chose?
I heart my 26, great daily carry for me.
I even have a galco pocket holster that works great for quick trips to the store or getting the mail or taking out the trash. It is a tad bulky, but I don't mind.
willowofwisp
04-23-2011, 02:56 PM
I would choose the 26. a friend of mine has a 27..and I have shot it quite a bit, just not a huge fan of the recoil.
turbolag23
04-23-2011, 04:12 PM
i have a g27 and find the g26 easier to shoot more accurately, faster. i dont have anything against the 40sw round but i just find the 9mm easier.
Joe in PNG
04-23-2011, 05:15 PM
I had a G 27, and hated shooting it. My hands would go numb after about 40 rounds. I should have gone with the G 26.
However, with the right clothes, it's a pretty good pocket gun.
3-7-77
04-23-2011, 05:44 PM
I have a G26 and M&P9c, I much prefer the G26. The M&P compact is a tad larger than the G26. A side benefit of carrying a subcompact like a baby Glock or M&P9c is you can carry a full sized reload.
rsa-otc
04-23-2011, 06:18 PM
While I am a 45acp fanboy. In a subcompact I would go with the 9mm. As the previous posters noted the recoil in 40 s&W is extremely harsh in the mouse guns. You'll find that you will train more with the 9 over the 40.
DocGKR
04-23-2011, 07:27 PM
Stick with 9 mm.
I sold my G26, since except for BUG use on uniformed duty, there were NO times I found when I could carry a G26, but not a G19.
Between the G26 and M&P9c, I prefer the M&Pc. Between an M&P9c and G19, I'd generally go with the G19. As always, YMMV.
Prdator
04-23-2011, 09:20 PM
My 2c. If you plan to use the G26-27 as a BUG that would be fine, that is there primary role. If you plan to use them as a Primary gun then go with the M&Pc! Its"just" big enough to use in that role.
I've always thought that the best combo out there is a G17 or G19 with a G26 as a BUG ( or the .40's ect), this way the spare full size mag will fit any of the guns.
And like other have said, its just as easy to hide a G19 as it is a G26!
And like other have said, its just as easy to hide a G19 as it is a G26!
I disagree, though I admit my perception of how well my gun is hidden may be different from the reality.
I just often feel too exposed with my G19. the problem is the grip, of course.
I don't feel undergunned with my G26. 10+1 is adequate, to me. As mentioned, it is nice having a full sized reload, as well.
Really the 19 vs. 26 debate is the same as the j frame vs. 19 debate. Only difference is degree.
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Also, I really like my 19/26.
The reason for this little experiment was to be able to easily conceal carry a gun with an attached surefire X300 weapon light that also has a G26-sized grip for easy concealment and comfort.
dale @ www.gripreductions.com did the work. highly recommended.
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I use a comptac CTAC for this.
I like it a lot. Still not quite as easy to shoot as a full G19, but I believe the longer slide and barrel make it shoot a bit softer than a 26.
Savage Hands
04-24-2011, 07:56 AM
I shoot my 9c better than my old G19 and I was not a fan of 45R's G26 with +P+++++ ammo :eek:
MichaelD
04-24-2011, 11:37 AM
I prefer the M&P9c for its softer apparent recoil and the Glock's tendency to give me slide bite. If you find you prefer the 26, though, get a 19 instead; it isn't much bigger and handles just as well.
JodyH
04-24-2011, 12:01 PM
My J-frame replacement is a Kahr PM9.
7 rounds of 9mm gives me more warm fuzzies than 5 rounds of .38spcl and they are pretty much identical in size.
As a bonus the Kahr is far easier to shoot and significantly faster to reload.
And you can carry the Kahr places the Glock 19 can't be carried.
My J-frame replacement is a Kahr PM9.
7 rounds of 9mm gives me more warm fuzzies than 5 rounds of .38spcl and they are pretty much identical in size.
As a bonus the Kahr is far easier to shoot and significantly faster to reload.
And you can carry the Kahr places the Glock 19 can't be carried.
How susceptible to limp-wrist induced jams do you find your PM9?
I tried the mini 9 route with a Kel Tec PF9. It was actually an excellent little pistol except very prone to limp-wrist induced stoppages. I figured that all mini 9's would be this way given the light weight/slide mass, but am not positive.
Anyways, I'm not comfortable with a pistol that is so sensitive to limp-wristing given the dynamics of actual gun fights. For the purpose it filled I was more comfortable with a 5-shot revolver compared against the mini 9's. I'd like to hear your experiences on limp-wristing it.
JodyH
04-24-2011, 07:15 PM
My Kahr PM9 has zero malfunctions is well over 1500 rounds.
As to "limp wristing", the only way I've been able to induce a "limp wrist" malfunction in any of my handguns is by holding them completely unsupported in 2 or 3 loose fingers.
IMO the majority of "limp wristing" is actually severe recoil anticipation and not actually a loose grip.
My Kahr PM9 has zero malfunctions is well over 1500 rounds.
As to "limp wristing", the only way I've been able to induce a "limp wrist" malfunction in any of my handguns is by holding them completely unsupported in 2 or 3 loose fingers.
IMO the majority of "limp wristing" is actually severe recoil anticipation and not actually a loose grip.
Remembering back, I was shooting 2" dots and doing okay(no where near what I do with my P2000, but still okay :) ). So given that I wouldn't think it was caused by severe recoil anticipation. I never considered anticipation as a cause for limp-wristing, but I guess I can maybe see that.
Thanks for the input!
On a sidenote, I personally am impressed with the Boberg XR9. If only he could get things ironed out and put it into production. That would be an awesome j-frame alternative and make a huge jump in performance from other mini 9's, most noticeably in felt recoil impulse.
Jason
04-25-2011, 08:24 AM
I have a 26, a J-frame (642) and a PM9. If you are looking for a J frame replacement, the PM9 is MUCH closer than a 26. I think if you deep conceal the j-frame you will be perturbed by how thick and big the 26 actually carries. I still love carrying my 26 but its not nearly as easy to carry as the PM9. But just like a J-frame the PM9 isn't going to get shot allot. Its not a high-round count gun. I shot about 1200 rounds through mine, trouble free, about 200 with my duty ammo, and call it good. Only a mag here and there for fam fire. If you want a gun that you could actually shoot through a course, the Glock 26 is the way to go, but be aware, it won't be as nearly as easy to carry as the J frame or the PM9.
I know holsters can fix this issue, but image what a similar well built holster will do for a PM9 or J frame. For me, the 26 is a great always gun, but during those times when its super hot, or you need trimmer fitting clothing, the PM9 or the J frame rule that title, with the G26 being just a bit too thick and big.
xray 99
04-25-2011, 12:09 PM
Thanks to all of you who replied.
SmokeJumper
05-01-2011, 03:19 PM
My J-frame replacement is a Kahr PM9.
7 rounds of 9mm gives me more warm fuzzies than 5 rounds of .38spcl and they are pretty much identical in size.
As a bonus the Kahr is far easier to shoot and significantly faster to reload.
And you can carry the Kahr places the Glock 19 can't be carried.
A side note to add with the warm fuzzies of carrying/having extra rounds at ones disposal/usage is that the Kahr 7rnd. and 8rnd. 9mm mags will work/function just fine in the PM9. I've done this with my PM9 and its around 1200-1500 with no issues or hiccups.
jslaker
05-01-2011, 07:37 PM
I don't feel undergunned with my G26. 10+1 is adequate, to me.
For me, it's not an issue of capacity so much the the short+wide grips of the baby Glocks does not work at all with my large hands. The G30 is easily one of the worst guns I've ever fire for that reason -- it naturally wanted to torque out of my hands all the time. The G26 is better, but still not anything close to being ideal in my eyes.
For me, it's not an issue of capacity so much the the short+wide grips of the baby Glocks does not work at all with my large hands. The G30 is easily one of the worst guns I've ever fire for that reason -- it naturally wanted to torque out of my hands all the time. The G26 is better, but still not anything close to being ideal in my eyes.
It is definitely a compromise.
I shoot my G26 much better than I did a year ago. I am still nowhere near where I am with my G17 (or where I'd like to be with my 26)
It's a work in progress, like everything else.
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