Beretta 92 FS Compact (and general Beretta love lately)

[Clobbersaurus]

I took a couple pics for you with my 92D.

Usually when I botch a reload it's because of the feed lip hits the side of the magwell, like the pic below.
http://i.imgur.com/tHuEJqO.jpg

Sometimes I hang up on the front of the magwell, but not as often.
http://i.imgur.com/mKhcepM.jpg

[GJM]

Any pictures of this?

Not that I recall, as I don't think my interest at the time went beyond discussing it by phone. Dave is a USPSA GM and excellent Beretta gunsmith, and did a number of trigger jobs and 92 related work for me, before Wilson Combat started working on the 92.

[jeep45238]

I spent last night practicing reloads for about 30 minutes trying to figure out how shorter feed lips on the mags would help reloads. Going off the pictures Clobbersaurus put up, my predominant fail was the bottom pic when I screwed the pooch.

With both pictures though, I don't see how the feed lips will help with reload speed since the top round forms the first 'contact' point, and it's position doesn't change nor does the slope of the mag body leading to it.

Maybe someone will fiddle with doing some dry reloads using Sig mags in their Beretta and report any observations they have.

[JTQ]

With both pictures though, I don't see how the feed lips will help with reload speed since the top round forms the first 'contact' point, and it's position doesn't change nor does the slope of the mag body leading to it.

Tom Jones has some pictures here https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?13248-Beretta-92-Magazines/page3&highlight=beretta

Somebody had a thread on the forum showing all the different varieties of Beretta 92/M9 mags and the difference of the leading edge of the feed lips, I just couldn't find it.

[jeep45238]

Tom Jones has some pictures here https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?13248-Beretta-92-Magazines/page3&highlight=beretta

Somebody had a thread on the forum showing all the different varieties of Beretta 92/M9 mags and the difference of the leading edge of the feed lips, I just couldn't find it.

I can see how the MecGar mags make a big difference, as the body has a full taper vs. the square of 15 round Beretta/surplus mags. But that's the shape of the mag body, not the feed lips.

Come to think of it, I only have surplus mags for mine and the square tube/square magwell reminds me of trying to reload Browning Hi Powers, but a little bit more forgiving. I'll have to save up for some MecGars and give those a whirl.

[taadski]

Dave is a USPSA GM and excellent Beretta gunsmith, and did a number of trigger jobs and 92 related work for me, before Wilson Combat started working on the 92.


Incidentally, those (Olhasso) trigger jobs were easy to pick out of a pile of show and tell Berettas (that included a bunch of Wilson guns). I'm not a beretta guy, but his work is the finest I've felt in the Beretta platform. FWIW.

[JonInWA]

I literally can't recall having a loading bobble with my 92D, using Check-Mate, Beretta, or MDS/Beretta magazines. And my frame is unmodified. I think it's a fortuitous combination of my index with the gun and the shape/ergos of the slanted magazine tube sides.

My Hi Power, on the other hand, requires a significant amount of practice, and even then a speed reload can be problematic.

Best, Jon

[Sal Picante]

Incidentally, those (Olhasso) trigger jobs were easy to pick out of a pile of show and tell Berettas (that included a bunch of Wilson guns). I'm not a beretta guy, but his work is the finest I've felt in the Beretta platform. FWIW.

Not after Bucket at WC figure out how to do a trigger job...

;)

With the reloads: Just practice. It isn't that bad. Sure a magwell can help a little with the disaster factor, but it really just boils down to a hard look on the way in...

[EVP]

I don't have any experience with berettas and have been hopping in and reading this thread as it has been developing since its beginning.

Quick question, how many people are actually carrying their 92s?

I won't lie the Wilson BT and new Langdon offering is mighty tempting but just thinking about the weight and logistics over a p30lem/vp9 does causes trepidation. I do want to run one and experience the shootability the 92 offers.

[breakingtime91]

I don't have any experience with berettas and have been hopping in and reading this thread as it has been developing since its beginning.

Quick question, how many people are actually carrying their 92s?

I won't lie the Wilson BT and new Langdon offering is mighty tempting but just thinking about the weight and logistics over a p30lem/vp9 does causes trepidation. I do want to run one and experience the shootability the 92 offers.


So I think it matters on how comfortable you are to the length of the barrel. I carried my 92a1 while in my home states for a couple days and didn't find anything too crazy comfort wise. I am slowly working into transition to berrettas because of the higher capacity and emotional attachment to the gun.. I am heading to a state I can actually carry in this weekend and will be carrying my beretta.


*p2000/2000sk are still in my safe but this world is slowly going to shit and a full size duty pistol is seeming like the answer for me.

[GJM]

I literally can't recall having a loading bobble with my 92D, using Check-Mate, Beretta, or MDS/Beretta magazines. And my frame is unmodified. I think it's a fortuitous combination of my index with the gun and the shape/ergos of the slanted magazine tube sides.

My Hi Power, on the other hand, requires a significant amount of practice, and even then a speed reload can be problematic.

Best, Jon

If you have never bobbled a reload, you aren't trying hard enough.


Not after Bucket at WC figure out how to do a trigger job...

;)

With the reloads: Just practice. It isn't that bad. Sure a magwell can help a little with the disaster factor, but it really just boils down to a hard look on the way in...

Bucket and the new WC trigger bars are the best 92 triggers I have felt, by a mile.


So I think it matters on how comfortable you are to the length of the barrel. I carried my 92a1 while in my home states for a couple days and didn't find anything too crazy comfort wise. I am slowly working into transition to berrettas because of the higher capacity and emotional attachment to the gun.. I am heading to a state I can actually carry in this weekend and will be carrying my beretta.


*p2000/2000sk are still in my safe but this world is slowly going to shit and a full size duty pistol is seeming like the answer for me.

Emotional attachment to the gun or the trigger?

[breakingtime91]

If you have never bobbled a reload, you aren't trying hard enough.



Bucket and the new WC trigger bars are the best 92 triggers I have felt, by a mile.



Emotional attachment to the gun or the trigger?

both... damn all those LEM threads are gonna come back and kick my internet ass :cool:

[The Apprentice]

I don't have any experience with berettas and have been hopping in and reading this thread as it has been developing since its beginning.

Quick question, how many people are actually carrying their 92s?

I won't lie the Wilson BT and new Langdon offering is mighty tempting but just thinking about the weight and logistics over a p30lem/vp9 does causes trepidation. I do want to run one and experience the shootability the 92 offers.

I find that my centurion and p30 are about the same except for weight. The Wilson BT isnt that much longer but is a little to hefty for me I plan on giving the LT a shot unless Wilson comes out with a centurion with vertec slide which is what I pray for every night.

[jeep45238]

Speaking of centurions....

Something had me thinking on the way home about my next pistol (likely 2 years out), and in my head there's a couple options, but once the checkbook and logistics start talking, the options started going down a bit. I do enjoy my 92G quite a bit, but it's a bit long to comfortably do appendix (maybe I haven't found the magic holster, but seems a common complaint). Not a big issue right now for me, but in the next 2-3 years it might be a concern.

This brings up the Centurion option, which appears to be just short enough to make up the difference (and can be had for $500 or less if you're patient for now). And the more I thought about the Centurion, the more I wondered how it compares directly to the compact (I hear the big complaint on compacts is British-tea-pinky-out reloads). The more I thought about that, the more I thought of the PX4 compact thread on here.

My gut says Centurion for logistics of mags/most springs, etc, then I wonder if the compact is really short enough to matter (and is more available), and then my brain wonders if the PX4 compact being a newer design/polymer (should be lighter, more modular to maintain) makes sense for a whole seperate setup of boxes, mags, parts, etc.

Anybody have a full size, centurion, and compact to compare (and a PX if there's golden angel out there)?

[StraitR]

I find that my centurion and p30 are about the same except for weight. The Wilson BT isnt that much longer but is a little to hefty for me I plan on giving the LT a shot unless Wilson comes out with a centurion with vertec slide which is what I pray for every night.

I think I read a quote from Bill somewhere that said he only builds guns he likes, and GJM has said that he doesn't care for Vertec frames.

I'm really looking forward to their next release, since everything up to this point has lead me to believe it will be a Centurion. That said, I've also been led to believe that it won't be a G or SF, and I'm not really interested in a D or SAO. Guess we'll all just have to wait and see.

[GJM]

A Beretta world with a WC Brig Tac, WC 92G compact, Langdon Special FS 92, Langdon PX4 Compact and a special Centurion would be darn nice.

[Jared]

I don't have any experience with berettas and have been hopping in and reading this thread as it has been developing since its beginning.

Quick question, how many people are actually carrying their 92s?

I won't lie the Wilson BT and new Langdon offering is mighty tempting but just thinking about the weight and logistics over a p30lem/vp9 does causes trepidation. I do want to run one and experience the shootability the 92 offers.

I carry an M9A1 Compact that's had the hammer switched to a D hammer and the safety switched to a lo pro version. I wanna do a full size, but really, the slightly shorter grip of the compact doesn't print at all whereas the full size grip prints a small amount.

In jacket weather, I move up to a full size G.

[StraitR]

A Beretta world with a WC Brig Tac, WC 92G compact, Langdon Special FS 92, Langdon PX4 Compact and a special Centurion would be darn nice.

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[Jared]

Anybody have a full size, centurion, and compact to compare (and a PX if there's golden angel out there)?

I can help, what would you like compared?

[StraitR]

I find that my centurion and p30 are about the same except for weight. The Wilson BT isnt that much longer but is a little to hefty for me I plan on giving the LT a shot unless Wilson comes out with a centurion with vertec slide which is what I pray for every night.

You know, the more I go back and look, the more I think you may be right on the Vertec.

[The Apprentice]

Speaking of centurions....

Something had me thinking on the way home about my next pistol (likely 2 years out), and in my head there's a couple options, but once the checkbook and logistics start talking, the options started going down a bit. I do enjoy my 92G quite a bit, but it's a bit long to comfortably do appendix (maybe I haven't found the magic holster, but seems a common complaint). Not a big issue right now for me, but in the next 2-3 years it might be a concern.

This brings up the Centurion option, which appears to be just short enough to make up the difference (and can be had for $500 or less if you're patient for now). And the more I thought about the Centurion, the more I wondered how it compares directly to the compact (I hear the big complaint on compacts is British-tea-pinky-out reloads). The more I thought about that, the more I thought of the PX4 compact thread on here.

My gut says Centurion for logistics of mags/most springs, etc, then I wonder if the compact is really short enough to matter (and is more available), and then my brain wonders if the PX4 compact being a newer design/polymer (should be lighter, more modular to maintain) makes sense for a whole seperate setup of boxes, mags, parts, etc.

Anybody have a full size, centurion, and compact to compare (and a PX if there's golden angel out there)?

Heres some shots of my compact centurion and BT
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And to clarify StraitR all I want for christmas is a centurion vertec slide on a m9a1 frame decocker only but to be honest I'll probably buy what ever Mr. Wilson comes up with as long as its not SAO

[StraitR]

And to clarify StraitR all I want for christmas is a centurion vertec slide on a m9a1 frame decocker only but to be honest I'll probably buy what ever Mr. Wilson comes up with as long as its not SAO

Ahh, that does clarify some things. In that case, you and I have the exact same Christmas list, and I imagine we're not the only two.

[breakingtime91]

yup, toss my vote in also.

[EVP]

So I think it matters on how comfortable you are to the length of the barrel. I carried my 92a1 while in my home states for a couple days and didn't find anything too crazy comfort wise. I am slowly working into transition to berrettas because of the higher capacity and emotional attachment to the gun.. I am heading to a state I can actually carry in this weekend and will be carrying my beretta.


*p2000/2000sk are still in my safe but this world is slowly going to shit and a full size duty pistol is seeming like the answer for me.

I am fine with length. I usually get my holsters in longer lengths.


I find that my centurion and p30 are about the same except for weight. The Wilson BT isnt that much longer but is a little to hefty for me I plan on giving the LT a shot unless Wilson comes out with a centurion with vertec slide which is what I pray for every night.

The weight is what has me a little leery.


There is just something about the 92s but it is hard to ignore how maintenance free and solid the p30s are.

[breakingtime91]

I am fine with length. I usually get my holsters in longer lengths.



The weight is what has me a little leery.


There is just something about the 92s but it is hard to ignore how maintenance free and solid the p30s are.

92s seem to be pretty maintenance free also. Weight kinda stinks but with a good holster/belt it should be fine (which I'm sure you know)

[jeep45238]

I can help, what would you like compared?

If you have a PX4 compact to compare to a 92 compact or centurion, that would be wonderful. Two posts below is a huge help to my decision making process.

Thanks!

[farscott]

I think I read a quote from Bill somewhere that said he only builds guns he likes, and GJM has said that he doesn't care for Vertec frames.

I'm really looking forward to their next release, since everything up to this point has lead me to believe it will be a Centurion. That said, I've also been led to believe that it won't be a G or SF, and I'm not really interested in a D or SAO. Guess we'll all just have to wait and see.

As a dedicated DAO/LEM shooter, a Wilson Centurion D with replaceable sights would be my Beretta carry grail gun and strongly make me rethink carrying the P30 LEM if only for the ease of getting parts. Not expecting to get it, and I am heavily invested/devoted to the P30. A Centurion G would be cool.

[Jared]

If you have a PX4 compact to compare to a 92 compact or centurion, that would be wonderful. Two posts below is a huge help to my decision making process.

Thanks!

Ok, here goes.

I'm gonna go against the grain and say the Centurion really doesn't do much for me. I carry a 92 Compact IWB in warmer weather because the slightly shorter grip doesn't print at all, where the fullsize grip will show a slight line if I move or twist my body in certain ways. In jacket weather I go to a full size 92G. Since I carry IWB (and I use the same holsters for both guns) the full grip short slide combo of the Centurion doesn't aid in concealment during the summer vs the full size and the slide length isn't an issue in either case.

It took longer than I intended, but I've vetted my PX4C to the point I'm comfortable carrying it and once the holster I ordered comes in, it will likely take over summer duties. It is smaller than the 92C, but the big thing is the weight. When it's hot and humid here, I sometimes just want to shed as much weight as possible, even though I know it shouldn't affect temperature comfort. I guess it is psychological.

I'm in danger of pinching fingers with both the PX4C and the 92C on reloads, I know you mentioned that in your first post. Overall, I'm growing to like the PX4C better than the 92C, again mostly due to weight. See the thread on the PX4 compact for how Ernest Langdon set his up, and mine is pretty close but not exact. I will add, I really like the recoil characteristics and trigger of the PX4C.

Overall, and this is just my opinion, if I was only gonna have one, it'd be a fullsize 92. But if I was starting over and only going to have one Compact, that would probably be the PX4C unless you wanted to step away from Beretta entirely to another brand.

[JTQ]

Jared, thanks for the informative post.


Overall, and this is just my opinion, if I was only gonna have one, it'd be a fullsize 92. But if I was starting over and only going to have one Compact, that would probably be the PX4C unless you wanted to step away from Beretta entirely to another brand.
My question would be how about the full size PX4 rather than the 92, if you prefer the PX4 Compact over the 92 Compact? Wouldn't the PX4 full size give you similar advantages over the full size 92 (weight, recoil, trigger)?

[StraitR]

Ok, here goes.

I'm gonna go against the grain and say the Centurion really doesn't do much for me. I carry a 92 Compact IWB in warmer weather because the slightly shorter grip doesn't print at all, where the fullsize grip will show a slight line if I move or twist my body in certain ways. In jacket weather I go to a full size 92G. Since I carry IWB (and I use the same holsters for both guns) the full grip short slide combo of the Centurion doesn't aid in concealment during the summer vs the full size and the slide length isn't an issue in either case.

It took longer than I intended, but I've vetted my PX4C to the point I'm comfortable carrying it and once the holster I ordered comes in, it will likely take over summer duties. It is smaller than the 92C, but the big thing is the weight. When it's hot and humid here, I sometimes just want to shed as much weight as possible, even though I know it shouldn't affect temperature comfort. I guess it is psychological.

I'm in danger of pinching fingers with both the PX4C and the 92C on reloads, I know you mentioned that in your first post. Overall, I'm growing to like the PX4C better than the 92C, again mostly due to weight. See the thread on the PX4 compact for how Ernest Langdon set his up, and mine is pretty close but not exact. I will add, I really like the recoil characteristics and trigger of the PX4C.

Overall, and this is just my opinion, if I was only gonna have one, it'd be a fullsize 92. But if I was starting over and only going to have one Compact, that would probably be the PX4C unless you wanted to step away from Beretta entirely to another brand.

All good points Jared, and they highlight how different people view/find comfort. There is so much that goes into this... gun, holster design, carry location, placement/positioning, body type, prior injuries, clothing, belts, did/did not sleep in a Holiday Inn Express... the list goes on.

The Centurion should be more comfortable for ME. I say should because I've never actually tried one. But, it looks like the Cent/Compact slides are roughly G17 length, to which I have no issues in carrying comfortably (or effectively) in the AIWB position. That being said, my Brig Tac seems to be closer to a G34 and 5" 1911, all of which are just enough longer than a 17 that I struggle with comfort. As such, I would buy a holster specific for the slightly shorter Centurion and I should be much happier based on my experience with sub 8" OAL guns.

Carrying guns is such a personal thing on pretty much every level.

[Dave J]

Speaking of centurions....

I do enjoy my 92G quite a bit, but it's a bit long to comfortably do appendix (maybe I haven't found the magic holster, but seems a common complaint).

This brings up the Centurion option, which appears to be just short enough to make up the difference....

My gut says Centurion for logistics of mags/most springs, etc, then I wonder if the compact is really short enough to matter (and is more available), and then my brain wonders if the PX4 compact being a newer design/polymer (should be lighter, more modular to maintain) makes sense for a whole seperate setup of boxes, mags, parts, etc.

Anybody have a full size, centurion, and compact to compare (and a PX if there's golden angel out there)?

I'm a little late to the discussion, and can't speak to the PX4, but I recently switched back to focusing on Beretta 92's, due to an upcoming .mil deployment situation. Previously, I was toting HK's for safe reholstering while waiting for "soon" to be "now" ;), also because my wife's agency issues the P2000 LEM, and I wanted her to be able to effectively use my gun if needed.

For me, the Centurion and Compact are noticeably more comfortable than the FS or WC BT, when carried appendix. I can carry the short slide version "straight up", whereas the FS slide, I have to add a little cant into the holster due to the extra length, and it still pokes a little. Weight is definitely more noticeable compared to a P2000 or Glock, but the Centurion & Compact carry reasonably well IMHO. The Beretta is a little more "pokey" with the rear sight, decocker, and beavertail, compared to the plastic guns, but I don't really notice it that much unless I'm bending over a lot. For reference, I am using JM "George" AIWBs for all the Berettas, and had JM's and Keepers for Glocks and HK's that were my past AIWB carry guns.

If max concealment isn't needed, you can load a compact with a full-size mag with an X-grip adapter, and you basically have a Centurion, albeit an ugly one. My hand size is just a smidge too large for a compact, so I prefer shooting the Centurion. However, I am carrying the Compact, since my Centurion is an old FS gun, whereas my Compact is relatively new and has the WC "G" conversion. I carry a full size Mec-gar as a reload with all. I would not use the X-grip for reload mags, due to the negative impact on concealment and potential for interference with the reload.

One thing I have noticed with the Beretta is that it takes more effort and time to drive the firing hand thumb down to establish the master grip on the AIWB draw, compared to a Glock or P2000. Wearing an undershirt helps a great deal by reducing friction between my hand and abdomen. Loosening my belt a smidge would probably help too, but the extra weight of the Beretta doesn't go well with that. I used to do flagged thumb when gripping Berettas, but have since gotten away from that.

FWIW, my 92 Compact regularly delivers 2" groups at 25 yds with both Gold Dot 124+P and HST 147, and I am not a very good bullseye shooter. Also, the short slides seem to track really well for me on repeat shots, at least with FMJ range ammo. I need to do more comparisons with carry loads though. I did have an issue with my support hand shifting forward during repeat strings with the Compact, but WC thin grips solved that for me. I have not noticed this problem with full size guns, even with factory plastic stocks.

Anyway, sorry for the ramble. Bottom line is that I really like the shorter Compact/Centurion slides, and think a "G" Centurion with a dovetailed front sight and A1 style checkering and magwell would be the bomb. The PX4 compact might be an even better carry gun (pretty sure Ernest Langdon knows what he's talking about), but as an active duty servicemember I have a vested interest in shooting 92's, and the PX4 just isn't for me right now.

[Jared]

Jared, thanks for the informative post.

My question would be how about the full size PX4 rather than the 92, if you prefer the PX4 Compact over the 92 Compact? Wouldn't the PX4 full size give you similar advantages over the full size 92 (weight, recoil, trigger)?

I like the PX4 recoil and trigger characteristics better compared to over compact polymer framed 9mm handguns (think G19 and Smith M&P, etc). The PX4 full-size one advantage over a full size 92, IMO, would be the weight. And part of it is just personal preference, I'll own up to that. I like the 92's better. I'm willing to go with a PX4C in the hot months, for some extra perceived comfort during my least favorite time of year.

I hope this makes sense.

[Jared]

All good points Jared, and they highlight how different people view/find comfort. There is so much that goes into this... gun, holster design, carry location, placement/positioning, body type, prior injuries, clothing, belts, did/did not sleep in a Holiday Inn Express... the list goes on.

The Centurion should be more comfortable for ME. I say should because I've never actually tried one. But, it looks like the Cent/Compact slides are roughly G17 length, to which I have no issues in carrying comfortably (or effectively) in the AIWB position. That being said, my Brig Tac seems to be closer to a G34 and 5" 1911, all of which are just enough longer than a 17 that I struggle with comfort. As such, I would buy a holster specific for the slightly shorter Centurion and I should be much happier based on my experience with sub 8" OAL guns.

Carrying guns is such a personal thing on pretty much every level.

I'm just too fat for AIWB or something. It's not even comfortable with a J frame for me for longer periods of time. And the thing is, I'm not that fat, more of a "dad bod." So I carry at 3 O'clock. That's probably got a lot to do with our respective slide length preferences.

[StraitR]

I'm just too fat for AIWB or something. It's not even comfortable with a J frame for me for longer periods of time. And the thing is, I'm not that fat, more of a "dad bod." So I carry at 3 O'clock. That's probably got a lot to do with our respective slide length preferences.

No doubt. Again, body shape, anatomy, and clothes have a lot to do with it. If you're not fluffy in the middle but it's still uncomfortable, then it's just poking you in all the wrong places. Could try different holsters or clothes. Then again, you could spend lots of ducats on holsters and months making small adjustments in location, height, and cant but still never find AIWB comfortable.

I think we can all agree though that it's never comfortable breaking in a new IWB holster, either AIWB or at 3:00, they all can take a couple or more weeks to get used to. IMO, this was the hardest part of figuring out AIWB. It's hard to know if what you're using and how you're using it will turn out to be comfortable or not in the coming weeks. Three weeks later, is it time to make some minor adjustments and try again, or time to give up on a particular holster? It can be extremely challenging.

My first AIWB holster four years ago was a Keeper, and I bought it just so I could make easy height and cant adjustments.

[JTQ]

I hope this makes sense.
It does, thanks.

[45dotACP]

FWIW, my 92 Compact regularly delivers 2" groups at 25 yds with both Gold Dot 124+P and HST 147, and I am not a very good bullseye shooter. Also, the short slides seem to track really well for me on repeat shots, at least with FMJ range ammo. I need to do more comparisons with carry loads though. I did have an issue with my support hand shifting forward during repeat strings with the Compact, but WC thin grips solved that for me. I have not noticed this problem with full size guns, even with factory plastic stocks.

Anyway, sorry for the ramble. Bottom line is that I really like the shorter Compact/Centurion slides, and think a "G" Centurion with a dovetailed front sight and A1 style checkering and magwell would be the bomb. The PX4 compact might be an even better carry gun (pretty sure Ernest Langdon knows what he's talking about), but as an active duty servicemember I have a vested interest in shooting 92's, and the PX4 just isn't for me right now.

Freaking yes...

I dunno why but my 92 compact tracks flatter than almost any full size gun (including the full size FS) I've ever shot and delivers better accuracy. They're like black magic or something. Even with the first DA stroke I shoot it better than my 1911s

Although the PX4 has caught my eye as well simply because it's smaller...and I i'm not able to easily conceal the 92 compact AIWB in summer clothing.

[MSparks909]

Bottom line is that I really like the shorter Compact/Centurion slides, and think a "G" Centurion with a dovetailed front sight and A1 style checkering and magwell would be the bomb.

Completely agree and I REALLY hope the next Wilson Beretta is a Centurion G model on a M9A1 frame with dovetailed front/rear sights and no light rail. That would be my holy grail of Berettas.

[MSparks909]

Completely agree and I REALLY hope the next Wilson Beretta is a Centurion G model on a M9A1 frame with dovetailed front/rear sights and no light rail. That would be my holy grail of Berettas.

Edit* Meant to say just M9A1 frame. With a light rail. Whoops.

[StraitR]

Edit* Meant to say just M9A1 frame. With a light rail. Whoops.

I'd take any Centurion G + dovetailed sights, with or without an accessory rail.

[Willard]

a Wilson Centurion D with replaceable sights would be my Beretta carry grail gun I would love to see a Beretta DAO with dovetail front sight.

[pastaslinger]

Just give us a steel frame elite 2 with Dawson fiber front sight and call it a day

[StraitR]

If any Pizza pros could help out in this armorers thread, it would be appreciated...

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?21467-Quick-question-and-help&p=474809#post474809

[KG]

I just purchased one of the new non-rail compact 92FS pistols that are currently available. Apparently, these pistols have a limited supply and will be available for a limited time. As far as I know, it is the only option right now for non-rail compacts. You can find them for under $600, here's one dealer at $599 shipping included:

http://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/175326/js92f850m/beretta-92-compact-9mm-luger-centerfire-pistol

My compact has the nicest out-of-the-box trigger I have gotten in a 92. It is all steel except the trigger. Mine has a rough finish on the frame. The edges on my frame, slide, and controls are surprisingly sharp. The only change I have made so far is a D spring.

I can post some pictures if anyone is interested.

Two questions:
Is Wilson Combat the best source for an aggressive dehorn and refinish?
If I send the pistol to Wilson Combat for work and have them round the front of the triggerguard, will the pistol still lock fine in my kydex Beretta 92 holsters?

[Hot Sauce]

Two questions:
Is Wilson Combat the best source for an aggressive dehorn and refinish?
If I send the pistol to Wilson Combat for work and have them round the front of the triggerguard, will the pistol still lock fine in my kydex Beretta 92 holsters?

Re: second question. Depends on your holster and where it gets most of it's retention from. Many get it from mostly the slide, but that's not necessarily true.

[texag]

If I send the pistol to Wilson Combat for work and have them round the front of the triggerguard, will the pistol still lock fine in my kydex Beretta 92 holsters?

My Armiger solutions holster works just fine with a rounded trigger job, even though the base gun used to make it had a squared guard.

[john c]

I just purchased one of the new non-rail compact 92FS pistols that are currently available. Apparently, these pistols have a limited supply and will be available for a limited time. As far as I know, it is the only option right now for non-rail compacts. You can find them for under $600, here's one dealer at $599 shipping included:

http://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/175326/js92f850m/beretta-92-compact-9mm-luger-centerfire-pistol

My compact has the nicest out-of-the-box trigger I have gotten in a 92. It is all steel except the trigger. Mine has a rough finish on the frame. The edges on my frame, slide, and controls are surprisingly sharp. The only change I have made so far is a D spring.

I can post some pictures if anyone is interested.

Two questions:
Is Wilson Combat the best source for an aggressive dehorn and refinish?
If I send the pistol to Wilson Combat for work and have them round the front of the triggerguard, will the pistol still lock fine in my kydex Beretta 92 holsters?

When you mention all steel, does this mean the frame, as well?

[KG]

No, sorry, the frame is not steel. It appears to be the same aluminum alloy used in other Beretta 92s. The mag release is also plastic. Safety and guide rod are steel.

[ffhounddog]

9400

I hate this Thread.

Went in for a beretta nano mag no mag but this was there. Right next to a Inox Brigader.

[Willard]

That is sweet. I picked up a non-rail brigadier sometime back, and would grab one of these if I didn't have to save $ for a possible 92D. If I knew Beretta wasn't going to do the 92D, I'd get one of these before they stop making them.

[Bummy425]

9400

I hate this Thread.

Went in for a beretta nano mag no mag but this was there. Right next to a Inox Brigader.
I hate it too. This showed up last Friday [emoji24] http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160726/ddb2e6114286d595c98af9c09a8b8592.jpg

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[Joe in PNG]

I online added a new bambino to the collection- a 92 Compact.
Now, I will have a 92 in small, medium, and large sizes.

[MSparks909]

Working on adding a 92 Centurion FS to the collection...have a line on a few lightly used ones on Armslist. Going to check the local pawn shops tomorrow and hope I get lucky. I did score a new Beretta 92 Compact Inox barrel on GB tonight. When I get one I'm planning on sending it off to Wilson to get a full work through done.
Right now my plan is:

WC Custom Carry package (for everything included check out WC's website; basically everything done to the Brig Tac/Custom Carry)
Elite II Hammer
G Conversion
Drill front sight for red fiber optic
Black G10 grips
Stainless Inox barrel
Grey Armor-Tuff frame
Black Armor-Tuff slide + small parts
Dehorn for carry

Might do custom hand checkering once I call WC and see what they can do...would really like more checkering than my BT and CC have and prefer to have the underside of the trigger guard checkered as well.

[GJM]

Before I spent all that time and money on a Centurion, I might stand by and see what materializes in the fall/winter.

[Jared]

Never mind

[LockedBreech]

Grabbed a 92FS Compact no-rail last night, it's on the way. I love my 92FS and it's the system I have most committed to learning, so I might as well get it a carry buddy.

[Joe in PNG]

Grabbed a 92FS Compact no-rail last night, it's on the way. I love my 92FS and it's the system I have most committed to learning, so I might as well get it a carry buddy.
Exactly my actions and reasons.

[45dotACP]

Before I spent all that time and money on a Centurion, I might stand by and see what materializes in the fall/winter.
Color me interested

[CanineCombatives]

So I see the M9A3's have become vaporware, especially the G's.

[Joe in PNG]

So I see the M9A3's have become vaporware, especially the G's.

Saw one in at the gunshop for $1000

[Welder]

So I see the M9A3's have become vaporware, especially the G's.

They're coming back out now, slides now marked Gallatin TN. At least the F models. The G models have never been available although hopefully that will change now. I had two of them on order since the day they were announced nearly a year ago...cancelled the order and got my down payment back a couple months ago when I heard about the LTT collaboration 92 that will "eventually" come out. Hopefully it's on a faster track than the M9A3 G was, but who knows? Beretta does what it wants, when it wants. :)

[Jared]

Saw one in at the gunshop for $1000

Saw one today myself. Another guy was fiddling with it, he let me have a turn. Nice gun, but really, it struck me as a Vertec with a D spring. No NFA in my state so the threaded barrel does not help. I liked the safety levers (this was an F model). All in all, I'd like to have one once availability improves and scalpers prices are over.

[CanineCombatives]

They're coming back out now, slides now marked Gallatin TN. At least the F models. The G models have never been available although hopefully that will change now. I had two of them on order since the day they were announced nearly a year ago...cancelled the order and got my down payment back a couple months ago when I heard about the LTT collaboration 92 that will "eventually" come out. Hopefully it's on a faster track than the M9A3 G was, but who knows? Beretta does what it wants, when it wants. :)

LTT collarboration 92?

[Welder]

LTT collarboration 92?

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?21095-Beretta-introducing-a-Langdon-Tactical-92!

[StraitR]

Before I spent all that time and money on a Centurion, I might stand by and see what materializes in the fall/winter.

9720

[LearnedHat]

any concerns that the TN might have some growing pains?

[OlongJohnson]

If you're OK with fo-tay, there are a bunch of 96D Centurions out there right now.

[Jared]

If you're OK with fo-tay, there are a bunch of 96D Centurions out there right now.

I've seen a bunch of these around in local shops. What's the deal with these? Are they police trade ins or something? You can get 9mm Centurion/Compact barrels from BerettaUSA and Brownells, and I'm kind of wondering how Beretta's handle being converted from 40 to 9. Also, complete 9mm Compact/Centurion slide assembly's are on Brownells too, but they are spendy. That could be a way for someone to scratch their Centurion itch though...

[Welder]

Are they police trade ins or something? .....I'm kind of wondering how Beretta's handle being converted from 40 to 9.

Yes, ex-police.

Beretta at one time offered a factory combo kit using the 96 frame (had slightly wider feedramp than the 92 frame had at the time - see below for updated frame info) which included 92 and 96 slide/barrel assemblies and a mag for each caliber.

There have never been any differences in the magazine well or slide / frame interface between the two calibers that would preclude you taking one caliber upper off and putting the other on.

I have heard multiple times on BF, but have not tried it myself, that usually a person can stick their 92 barrel in their 96 slide (not the other way around) with no other changes, even using the 96 mags, and shoot 9mm through a 96. The .40's rim diameter is bigger than the 9mm, so people always mention potential extraction issues with this combination. But apparently there are plenty of people getting away with it at the range just having fun. Obviously because of the rim diameter issues you would not be able to put a .40 barrel in a 9mm slide and have it function.

Supposedly every Beretta 92 or 96 frame made after the switch to tapered dust covers is now rated for .40, and I assume that means the feedramp is also set up for .40 as it wouldn't make sense to have a separate machining process for the feedramps at that point. So if you have one of those frames, you should be able to at worst swap an entire 9mm upper onto it, and at best just a barrel, and the frame itself should be fine for .40. Probably worth trying 9mm in the .40 mag just because....but 9mm mags are a dime a dozen.

[StraitR]

For those that don't venture down to the sale section, YVK has a gem up for grabs if anyone's looking for a compact pizza gun.

[MSparks909]

Recoil spring life of 92 series pistols? I've read from 3-5,000 rounds. This is specifically regarding 9mm 92/M9 full-size variants. Is there a definitive number from Beretta or any Beretta SME's? Also, does anyone have any experience with the Wilson Flatwire recoil spring for the Beretta pistols? Different replacement intervals for Compact/Centurion pistols?

[Trooper224]

Beretta recommends replacing the recoil spring every 3-5000 rounds, as well as the trigger return spring at 5K. I generally give mine a spring overhaul at 5K, including those as well as the trigger bar and slide stop springs.

[MSparks909]

Beretta recommends replacing the recoil spring every 3-5000 rounds, as well as the trigger return spring at 5K. I generally give mine a spring overhaul at 5K, including those as well as the trigger bar and slide stop springs.

Sounds good. Thanks for the info.

[Jared]

Beretta recommends replacing the recoil spring every 3-5000 rounds, as well as the trigger return spring at 5K. I generally give mine a spring overhaul at 5K, including those as well as the trigger bar and slide stop springs.

This is my spring replacement procedure as well. Those listed springs at 5K intervals. Working well for me so far.

[JSGlock34]

Ernest Langdon has provided this before in the 'Beretta and lubrication (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10185-Beretta-and-lubrication)' thread. Thought it was relevant to the above discussion.


So this is a little bit of a can of worms. I have a couple of things to point out right off the bat.
1. I make it a habit of not carrying the gun that I shoot the hell out of. I tend to keep my carry gun very clean always have a light lube on it, less than the gun I am planning to shoot 500 rounds through in a day, but lubed for sure.
2. I shoot a lot every year and tend to take pretty poor care of my day to day range guns. That said, I do add lube to them often and clean them about every 2,000 rounds or so.
3. The environment that I am training in makes a difference in how long I will go in between cleanings. If I am surrounded by grass, I may go longer than 2K between cleanings. If I am in a sandy dusty area, I may clean the guns way more often. Oil plus sand adds up to lapping compound that will wear your guns out very quickly.
4. All of the above being said, how hard you run your guns and how you take care of them makes a difference on what kind of maintenance you need to pull. It's like asking how many miles can you put on your car. Are you driving 60 miles an hour in cool weather all the time, or racing it on a road course in Death Valley? If you are doing the latter, you may have to do more maintenance for sure.

For the Beretta 92 specifically, here is what I normally do as a schedule on a hard use gun.
1. Lube before each range session.
2. Clean every 2,000 rounds or so.
3. Recoil, trigger spring and trigger bar spring every 5k or so. (not really needed with the WC Chrome Silicon Springs)
4. Top end rebuild every 10,000 or so. Firing Pins & Spring, Extractor & Spring, and detail clean whole gun.
5. New Locking Block every 20,000 rounds or so. (make sure it is fitted correctly)

The above is not required, but it has served me very well for many years of competition and training.

I normally keep this up for about 40K to 50K, so the gun last me for two solid years of shooting, give or take. After that I normally put that gun out to pasture so to speak. They will last twice that long, but I don't want to wait to see how long. I let them become loaner guns or safe queens after that normally and feel I have gotten my monies worth out of them. Figure $10K to $15K worth of ammo through a gun that I maybe have $1K or so invested into, I am happy with that.

Hope this helps.

[StraitR]

So, I think I'm about to grab one of the last new WC 92G Compact Carry's I can find since being discontinued. :eek: I'm struggling to find any zen with my P30 LEM but don't want to go back to AIWB Glocks. I love my Brig Tac, but the compact should carry better.

Anyone carry a 92G Compact or put in a lot of work with one that would like to share? Anyone have one and not like it? (Want a P30:p) Only detractor for me is the front sight, but whatever, nothing is without compromise.

I've had my heart set on a WC Centurion, but everything I've seen points to it being a D, and I'm not interested.

[JSGlock34]

I'm surprised we haven't seen any Wilson "Centurion" 92Gs cobbled together from a Brig Tac and a Compact Carry...

[MSparks909]

I'm surprised we haven't seen any Wilson "Centurion" 92Gs cobbled together from a Brig Tac and a Compact Carry...

The compact slide looks a little funny on the M9 lower. I'm *REALLY* hoping WC/Beretta will release a non-rail, dovetailed G model Centurion this fall. Cause I would buy 2. In a heartbeat.

[MSparks909]

So, I think I'm about to grab one of the last new WC 92G Compact Carry's I can find since being discontinued. :eek: I'm struggling to find any zen with my P30 LEM but don't want to go back to AIWB Glocks. I love my Brig Tac, but the compact should carry better.

Anyone carry a 92G Compact or put in a lot of work with one that would like to share? Anyone have one and not like it? (Want a P30:p) Only detractor for me is the front sight, but whatever, nothing is without compromise.

I've had my heart set on a WC Centurion, but everything I've seen points to it being a D, and I'm not interested.

If it is indeed a D model I will be very sad. All the reason to scoop up a Compact Carry now just in case. I have one...just got it last week. Haven't made it to the range yet. Hoping to change that tomorrow. I don't think the front sight is a huge deal; I personally prefer fiber optics and might send the slide back to Wilson and have them drill it for a fiber rod. The magazines don't pinch me on reloads (or at least the dry reloads I've done at home) which was a relief. I think the only negative against the CC compared to say your P30 is a little extra weight. Not a huge deal for some.

Is it the P30 in general you're not fond of or is it LEM? If it's LEM, have you considered converting your P30 to DA/SA (if that's even possible; I'm not a HK guru)? I've read your P30 thread start to finish and was surprised you picked LEM. I just bought a DA/SA P30 last week. Really enjoy it so far. Have a lighter hammer spring on order but that's it. I jumped between my Brig Tac, 226 Legion and my P30 last week at the range with no issue.

[StraitR]

I'm surprised we haven't seen any Wilson "Centurion" 92Gs cobbled together from a Brig Tac and a Compact Carry...

I was just sitting here staring at my BT (and watching Die Hard) thinking the exact same thing. So, you might if I buy a compact. lol

@MSparks909 - I wouldn't count on it, if you go back and read everything about the collaborations, the last one "will be in between a full-size and a compact and will not be FS or G". Not a direct verbatim quote because I'm not going back to dig it all up on here and BF, but the information is there if you look. So, it's obviously a Centurion, and no FS or G only leaves D or SAO.

ETA: Regarding your second post... Thanks for the additional comments on your new CC. It is the LEM, not the P30, but unfortunately factory V1/V2's (LEM) cannot be converted into a V3 (TDA).*

*no slot for the decocker, which is a must.

[MSparks909]

I was just sitting here staring at my BT (and watching Die Hard) thinking the exact same thing. So, you might if I buy a compact. lol

@MSparks909 - I wouldn't count on it, if you go back and read everything about the collaborations, the last one "will be in between a full-size and a compact and will not be FS or G". Not a direct verbatim quote because I'm not going back to dig it all up on here and BF, but the information is there if you look. So, it's obviously a Centurion, and no FS or G only leaves D or SAO.

ETA: Regarding your second post... Thanks for the additional comments on your new CC. It is the LEM, not the P30, but unfortunately V1/V2's (LEM) cannot be made V3 (TDA).

Gotcha. Definitely missed the part about it not being FS or G. Thanks for clarifying. And that's a shame you can't convert to V3. I think you would enjoy it otherwise. Better act soon if you want a CC. Saw 3 on Gunbroker for a fair price and I have my finger on the "Buy Now" button for one of them :eek:

[JSGlock34]

I wouldn't count on it, if you go back and read everything about the collaborations, the last one "will be in between a full-size and a compact and will not be FS or G". Not a direct verbatim quote because I'm not going back to dig it all up on here and BF, but the information is there if you look. So, it's obviously a Centurion, and no FS or G only leaves D or SAO.

You are correct - Bill Wilson previously stated on Beretta forum that he has two other projects planned with Beretta USA. He stated one will be smaller than a Brigadier Tactical and larger than a compact (Centurion?). He hinted that the other will be neither a 'FS' or 'G' (D or SAO?). I wonder if this still holds true, as the Compact Carry fits neither description.

It's great that Beretta is introducing all of these new models - more Wilsons, the Langdon Tactical model, the M9A3...but I think patience is the order of the day with the factory move. You could be waiting for a while for the next Wilson collaboration.


Is it the P30 in general you're not fond of or is it LEM? If it's LEM, have you considered converting your P30 to DA/SA (if that's even possible; I'm not a HK guru)? I've read your P30 thread start to finish and was surprised you picked LEM. I just bought a DA/SA P30 last week. Really enjoy it so far. Have a lighter hammer spring on order but that's it. I jumped between my Brig Tac, 226 Legion and my P30 last week at the range with no issue.

Funny, I have a VP9 that sits neglected in the back of the safe, as I never reach past the Berettas or Glocks to grab it. I kinda wish I could convert it to a P30 LEM so I could join in the epic LEM debates around here...:p

[StraitR]

Gotcha. Definitely missed the part about it not being FS or G. Thanks for clarifying. And that's a shame you can't convert to V3. I think you would enjoy it otherwise. Better act soon if you want a CC. Saw 3 on Gunbroker for a fair price and I have my finger on the "Buy Now" button for one of them :eek:

It is a shame, because I really like the P30. Not to make this yet another LEM discussion, but I just don't have the time to become proficient with it. It's an excuse, but unfortunately a valid one on my end.

Go ahead and buy em' up. Save me the money. haha

PS. If you go to one of the dealers websites instead of using the GB "Buy Now' button, you'll save $100. You're welcome. ;)

[StraitR]

You are correct - Bill Wilson previously stated on Beretta forum that he has two other projects planned with Beretta USA. He stated one will be smaller than a Brigadier Tactical and larger than a compact (Centurion?). He hinted that the other will be neither a 'FS' or 'G' (D or SAO?). I wonder if this still holds true, as the Compact Carry fits neither description.

It's great that Beretta is introducing all of these new models - more Wilsons, the Langdon Tactical model, the M9A3...but I think patience is the order of the day with the factory move. You could be waiting for a while for the next Wilson collaboration.

Yup, those are the comments I'm referring to. The same information was copied/pasted here in one of our various pizza threads.


Funny, I have a VP9 that sits neglected in the back of the safe, as I never reach past the Berettas or Glocks to grab it. I kinda wish I could convert it to a P30 LEM so I could join in the epic LEM debates around here...:p

I can help with this, should you truly desire to become intimate with those debates. :cool: It's a great gun, and trigger, I'm just 5 years too late on getting started. Baby numero dos has zapped all my time. No regrets.

[MSparks909]

As much as I want to I think I'm gonna save my money. It would take me 50-60,000 rounds to wear out the CC that I haven't even shot yet...and at that rate it would be about 10-12 years if that was the ONLY pistol of mine that I shot. So I think I'm just gonna stick with this one and wait for the next Wilson gun. And the Langdon model. And the M9A3G. Pizza guns are addicting...

[JSGlock34]

Mr. Langdon just teased this on his Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/ernest.langdon/) page...more M9A3 variants on the way too...

https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/c0.134.1080.1080/13741374_1014129175380738_1358522575_n.jpg?ig_cach e_key=MTMxMjQzMTg0NTE2NjMzODM5OA%3D%3D.2.c

[texag]

So, I think I'm about to grab one of the last new WC 92G Compact Carry's I can find since being discontinued. :eek: I'm struggling to find any zen with my P30 LEM but don't want to go back to AIWB Glocks. I love my Brig Tac, but the compact should carry better.

Anyone carry a 92G Compact or put in a lot of work with one that would like to share? Anyone have one and not like it? (Want a P30:p) Only detractor for me is the front sight, but whatever, nothing is without compromise.

I've had my heart set on a WC Centurion, but everything I've seen points to it being a D, and I'm not interested.

I bought a WC 92G compact...because I'm tired of struggling with LEM. I carry it in an Armiger Solutions AIWB holster and find it more concealable and easier to shoot both quickly (for me) and accurately (for me) than my P30 LEM. I have medium sized hands and find the grip length is at the absolute limit of what I can do without having to hang a pinky finger or worry about pinching my hands during a reload.

I do love the size of the gun. Before I went down the Beretta road I was going to buy a glock 17 and chop the grip down the 19 length, then add a gadget. The 92 compact is a similar size, just a lot sexier.

[GJM]

Don't go down rabbit holes worrying about what action type this next pistol will be. Bill Wilson brings out pistols he wants to carry and shoot, and he doesn't carry D or SAO variants.

[Welder]

Mr. Langdon just teased this on his Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/ernest.langdon/) page...more M9A3 variants on the way too...

https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/c0.134.1080.1080/13741374_1014129175380738_1358522575_n.jpg?ig_cach e_key=MTMxMjQzMTg0NTE2NjMzODM5OA%3D%3D.2.c

The bottom two have G levers...can't see the top one's levers. Cool to see that they won't be vaporware forever.

[StraitR]

Don't go down rabbit holes worrying about what action type this next pistol will be. Bill Wilson brings out pistols he wants to carry and shoot, and he doesn't carry D or SAO variants.

Then I'll probably continue to wait it out since I would prefer a Centurion to Compact. If WC didn't discontinue the Compact, I wouldn't even consider one until after seeing what they come out with next. Sort of, buy now or forever hold your peace moment seeing another available batch of Compacts at MSRP.

[LockedBreech]

After a 92FS and 92FS Compact, my logical next step is a full size rail model. BrigTac and that middle black M9A3G are both nice contenders.


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[Welder]

Cheapest Billennium a person is likely to find is on GB right now. Not mine / no affiliation / etc. The guys on BF are drooling over it, but apparently no one has the $$ to hit the BIN. Of the steel frame 92/96 guns Beretta has made, these are the most eye-catching IMO. Strictly a collector's item but personally I've always found them stunning. Other people lean more towards 'gaudy.' Either way, they are quite the conversation piece.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=576885691

[StraitR]

Wow, those are the most drifted sights I've ever seen on a pizza gun. Front is drifted in same direction, so it looks like someone got confused or lazy or both when doing it.

Not that many people would shoot a Billie much, but that would drive me nuts.

[Bummy425]

I thought the same thing

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[MSparks909]

Flame suit on...I was never really "into" Beretta's until recently. So with that said...why are they called "pizza guns"?

[Welder]

Flame suit on...I was never really "into" Beretta's until recently. So with that said...why are they called "pizza guns"?

Italian reference.

[Welder]

Wow, those are the most drifted sights I've ever seen on a pizza gun. Front is drifted in same direction, so it looks like someone got confused or lazy or both when doing it.

Not that many people would shoot a Billie much, but that would drive me nuts.

I made the same comment on the BF thread about this gun. Especially strange since the rear sight on these has replaceable leaves with windage adjustment built in via the two set screws on either side of the base. So center the dovetailed base on the slide, then do your fine adjustment via the leaf itself.

I'm not sure how far the front sight is out. That might partially be an optical illusion.

[MSparks909]

Italian reference.

Wow I feel dumb. Thanks for clarifying :D

[Luke]

Before I came here, glock triggers were scary, HK was overpriced and what is this LEM you speak of? TDA guns were for old people, didn't even know they still made DAO guns. AIWB scared me..

Now? I love TDA guns, carry a P2000 LEM AIWB, and enjoyed my last DAO.

And most recently, I've wanted one of these pizza guns. I really wish I had the coin for that stainless one.

[Welder]

Wow I feel dumb. Thanks for clarifying :D

Hey no problem. If you think you're dumb, you should walk in my shoes for a day. :)

Seriously, I really need one of y'all to buy this. I have the money in the account and it's burning a hole.

My Dad's advice about doubling your money by folding it in half and putting it back in your wallet is starting to leave my mind.

I already have the Centennial which is basically the same thing. I'd never shoot it. I don't even care for Brig slides. I want the LTT 92 instead, whichever year it comes out. The SAO triggers aren't really that great, anyway. Certainly nothing like a 1911. Not that I'd ever shoot it regardless. It would just sit in my safe like 80 percent of the other guns in there, taking up space and reflecting the blood, sweat, and tears from the working hours of my life that I can never get back, exchanged for lifeless, if not soulless, objects that sit in a locked box only to be gazed at from time to time before being returned to their dark prison where time is frozen and they never age.

Dear Lord I need to get out to the shop and get this pistol off my mind.

[Welder]

And most recently, I've wanted one of these pizza guns. I really wish I had the coin for that stainless one.

Hey Luke, I feel your pain. But let me tell you that one will not be enough. I have more than a few and can't seem to stop wanting more.

Fun fact: the seller has it wrong in his description, although he can be forgiven. The Billennium is actually a nickel-type finish over a steel frame and slide, not stainless. I've seen pictures of several of these where the finish has tarnished over time, and I can't remember now if it was from being stored and never wiped down, or if it was from the wrong cleaner, or ????

[StraitR]

And most recently, I've wanted one of these pizza guns. I really wish I had the coin for that stainless one.

Luke, you definitely need a pizza gun, but I'd suggest starting with something other than a Billinnium. haha.


I'm not sure how far the front sight is out. That might partially be an optical illusion.

Possibly some angles at play. I'm judging at the arrows and also the same points on the front.

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[OlongJohnson]

It would just sit in my safe like 80 percent of the other guns in there, taking up space and reflecting the blood, sweat, and tears from the working hours of my life that I can never get back, exchanged for lifeless, if not soulless, objects that sit in a locked box only to be gazed at from time to time before being returned to their dark prison where time is frozen and they never age.

Dear Lord I need to get out to the shop and get this pistol off my mind.

You stated the solution right there. Go through the safe, take a few out, wipe them down, clean any that could benefit from it. Do some dry fire with one or two that aren't your EDC. Remind yourself of what you already have, and the need for more should start to feel silly. I think a lot of times, our urge to get more is facilitated by, if not actually rooted in the fact that the ones we already have are safely and responsibly locked away where we can't see them. Out of sight...the retarded monkeys that live in our skulls stop believing they exist, and set to work getting one.

[Welder]

Olong, sometimes that works, and other times it adds fuel to the fire! I think I might have calmed down though. Spent part of this blazing hot afternoon on a welding job where the money is hard-earned. Then dropped by a friend's shop where he had an N-frame S&W that I've already eyed once, and I may be on the way to another temporary divorce with the idea of owning a Billennium.

[Welder]

In other news keeping with the Beretta theme, a poster on BF is reporting an M9A3 G model at his local gun shop. Has yet to be confirmed by pictures or by a regular Joe (I can say that, I'm Joe) buying one and posting it up. If true, a long wait is finally at an end.

The best news about this is that hopefully the G decockers from the M9A3 will become available now, allowing previous 9x F / FS slides to be converted to G with a simple lever swap.

[LockedBreech]

Not that I'd ever shoot it regardless. It would just sit in my safe like 80 percent of the other guns in there, taking up space and reflecting the blood, sweat, and tears from the working hours of my life that I can never get back, exchanged for lifeless, if not soulless, objects that sit in a locked box only to be gazed at from time to time before being returned to their dark prison where time is frozen and they never age.


I have never, ever related more to a post.

Now if you'll excuse me I kinda want a P320.

[ralph]

In other news keeping with the Beretta theme, a poster on BF is reporting an M9A3 G model at his local gun shop. Has yet to be confirmed by pictures or by a regular Joe (I can say that, I'm Joe) buying one and posting it up. If true, a long wait is finally at an end.

The best news about this is that hopefully the G decockers from the M9A3 will become available now, allowing previous 9x F / FS slides to be converted to G with a simple lever swap.

Over on the Beretta forum, one member there who works for Beretta at their new plant in Tenn, said in a post that they now have more than enough G levers for planned production for g lever pistols. He also said that there were a few wickets to sort through, (pricing,etc) but we should see them for sale soon. It's little nuggets of info like that is why I look through the Beretta forum daily...
Edited to add... more info on the G levers.. it seems the holdup is a heat treat issue with one of the parts in the kit, when they get that fixed hopefully we'll see them..

[breakingtime91]

G levers kits should fit the 92a1 right? I don't see why not, it uses the same as a standard 92fs

[ralph]

G levers kits should fit the 92a1 right? I don't see why not, it uses the same as a standard 92fs

I don't see why not, they're supposed to work with any FS slide..

[JSGlock34]

Over on the Beretta forum, one member there who works for Beretta at their new plant in Tenn, said in a post that they now have more than enough G levers for planned production for g lever pistols. He also said that there were a few wickets to sort through, (pricing,etc) but we should see them for sale soon. It's little nuggets of info like that is why I look through the Beretta forum daily...
Edited to add... more info on the G levers.. it seems the holdup is a heat treat issue with one of the parts in the kit, when they get that fixed hopefully we'll see them..

Stimpee is a member here as well. Glad to hear the G levers are getting sorted out. I'm hoping we'll also see M9A3 threaded barrels for sale as well...I'd like an OEM factory threaded barrel for my own 92s because reasons.

[LockedBreech]

Can't wait for a black M9A3 G with Trijicon HDs and a Surefire X300. Nightstand gun fo life.

Or maybe a threaded FDE one.

Or maybe just...all of them. I gotta stop screwing with different platforms and accept that Berettas love me most.

[ralph]

Can't wait for a black M9A3 G with Trijicon HDs and a Surefire X300. Nightstand gun fo life.

Or maybe a threaded FDE one.

Or maybe just...all of them. I gotta stop screwing with different platforms and accept that Berettas love me most.

Yeah, I know...I've got a sale of a firearm pending, and I'm thinking about a Inox compact with a rail.. I've got some parts stashed, and could put Wilson CS hammer, trigger return springs in it as well as a Wilson short trigger, Then all I'd need would be a set of Wilson thin grips, and I think it'd be ready to roll...

[Joe in PNG]

Got my Compact today. Put in a D spring and SRT, then right to the range.
I did have a couple of failures to go into battery when reloading- I'll clean both mags and see if that fixes things.

[pastaslinger]

Lets see a non threaded black m9a3 G

Hell let's see an m9a3 elite while we're at it

[Suvorov]

Got my Compact today. Put in a D spring and SRT, then right to the range.
I did have a couple of failures to go into battery when reloading- I'll clean both mags and see if that fixes things.

Failure to return to battery has been my only problem with my compacts but has occurred with a marked frequency over my full size guns (several versus never). I have determined it is most likely due to the 10 round magazines I'm using with the very tight fitting 10th round. What kind of mags are you using?

[Suvorov]

Lets see a non threaded black m9a3 G

Hell let's see an m9a3 elite while we're at it

I'm just hoping they bring back Vertec and SD production for us unfortunate Californians before the guns fall off the list.

[Joe in PNG]

Failure to return to battery has been my only problem with my compacts but has occurred with a marked frequency over my full size guns (several versus never). I have determined it is most likely due to the 10 round magazines I'm using with the very tight fitting 10th round. What kind of mags are you using?

It was with one of the factory 13 rounders. It ran like a watch with an 18 round Mec Gar and a factory full sized 10.
And it only happened during slidelock reloads.

[breakingtime91]

It was with one of the factory 13 rounders. It ran like a watch with an 18 round Mec Gar and a factory full sized 10.
And it only happened during slidelock reloads.

old or new gun?

[Joe in PNG]

old or new gun?

Brand spanking new.

[breakingtime91]

Brand spanking new.

hmmm, I know you know what your doing so don't take this as me telling you what to do.. I wonder if the springs are too stiff forcing it to bind at the top when loaded to 13? Have you tried it with just 12 rounds in the mag?

[Joe in PNG]

hmmm, I know you know what your doing so don't take this as me telling you what to do.. I wonder if the springs are too stiff forcing it to bind at the top when loaded to 13? Have you tried it with just 12 rounds in the mag?
I was getting it when only loaded with 5

[Dave J]

It was with one of the factory 13 rounders. It ran like a watch with an 18 round Mec Gar and a factory full sized 10.
And it only happened during slidelock reloads.

Yup.

Happened fairly often with my compact too, but only with brand new mags. Once the mags got broken in a little, the problem disappeared completely, except for a 10-Rd mag I have for trips to places with stupid laws...that one just works much better downloaded to 9.

My conclusion was that the compact mags just need more careful vetting than FS mags.

I'd thought about trying a slightly heavier recoil spring, but the problem resolved itself after after the mags had all been run maybe 4-5 times each

FWIW

[Joe in PNG]

I marked the one giving me trouble. I'll probaby load it full and leave it.

[Welder]

In other news keeping with the Beretta theme, a poster on BF is reporting an M9A3 G model at his local gun shop. Has yet to be confirmed by pictures or by a regular Joe (I can say that, I'm Joe) buying one and posting it up. If true, a long wait is finally at an end.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnd........not true. False alarm, Elvis is still in the building and the M9A3 G is still vaporware. :(

[OlongJohnson]

Check the magazine lips for smoothness. Lots of them have a little burr or sharp corner from the blanking process that doesn't get cleaned up before forming. See Dave J's post above. You can live with crepey performance for a long time if you just wait for it to wear off, or go ahead and smooth them yourself so they run right immediately. I have a set of India and Arkansas stones for such purposes. Not very expensive at use-enco.com.

While you're at it, smooth the ridges of molding flash off the followers (not changing the design, just removing imperfections inherent in the manufacturing process) and they'll ride up and down just a little more smoothly.

[Dave J]

I agree with the above, although in my case there were no obvious burrs on the inside of the feed lips, at least that were large enough to be readily detectable by feel. I was expecting to find some really noticeable deformity after I first encountered the problem.

[ydennekb]

I'm sorry if this has already been answered and I wasn't able to find it with a search. Is anyone making a good OWB Concealmebt holster for the 92 Compact? Ive got a WC compact on the way and I need one.

[JTQ]

Is anyone making a good OWB Concealmebt holster for the 92 Compact? Ive got a WC compact on the way and I need one.
One stop shopping at Wilson Combat http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Lo-Profile-II-Holster-Beretta-92_96-Compact-Right-Hand-15-Belt-Black-Leather-with-Shark-Trim/productinfo/MLP12BLSR15/

Bill Wilson carry guns and holsters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scz1uWl21bM

[Casey]

I'm sorry if this has already been answered and I wasn't able to find it with a search. Is anyone making a good OWB Concealmebt holster for the 92 Compact? Ive got a WC compact on the way and I need one.
JM Custom (http://www.jmcustomkydex.com/p/OWB.html) just added the WC Compact to their lineup...

[ydennekb]

Thank you, that's much closer to what I was hoping for (RCS Phantom).

[xray 99]

10110

Buds delivered this to my FFL and I picked it up Wednesday. Grips are Hogue checkered Pau Ferro and the texture is quite sharp. I'll test drive it today.

[LangdonTactical]

10110

Buds delivered this to my FFL and I picked it up Wednesday. Grips are Hogue checkered Pau Ferro and the texture is quite sharp. I'll test drive it today.

Thats a really good looking gun right there!

[Suvorov]

10110

Buds delivered this to my FFL and I picked it up Wednesday. Grips are Hogue checkered Pau Ferro and the texture is quite sharp. I'll test drive it today.

Those are sexy grips, I'm wondering how much thicker they are than the standard plastic grips. My old 92Compact came with the Beretta wood grips which were also sexy but too dang thick for what they added.

[Joe in PNG]

I'm liking those grips- I may need a set or two for my babies.

[xray 99]

Those are sexy grips, I'm wondering how much thicker they are than the standard plastic grips. My old 92Compact came with the Beretta wood grips which were also sexy but too dang thick for what they added.

They feel a bit thicker but I like them. I always wear a T shirt, but they would abrade bare skin, I'm sure.

[LockedBreech]

I was really hoping to get the Alumagrips with the Beretta trident so my new compact would match my full size, but apparently they only make those for the full size :(


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[Suvorov]

They feel a bit thicker but I like them. I always wear a T shirt, but they would abrade bare skin, I'm sure.

Do they interfere with the standard magazine release?

[xray 99]

No. Works fine.

[Gadfly]

Vertec 92fs... No box/papers

I can probably get it for @$350

Should I??

If it was a G I would already pounce... Wanted to wait for the M9A3 to convert to G, but this will be less than half the price. I don't NEED another Pizza pistol. But damn it fits the hand better than the standard M9. Decisions...

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160906/27eb1b5f5bb2bdadab0e479633d2d77b.jpg

[HCM]

Vertec 92fs... No box/papers

I can probably get it for @$350

Should I??

If it was a G I would already pounce... Wanted to wait for the M9A3 to convert to G, but this will be less than half the price. I don't NEED another Pizza pistol. But damn it fits the hand better than the standard M9. Decisions...

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160906/27eb1b5f5bb2bdadab0e479633d2d77b.jpg

Yes, if you hate it you can sell it to me to go with mine.

[DGI]

At that price, buy first, have us congratulate you later ;)

[LockedBreech]

Same thing I'd buy that off you.

[Suvorov]

Vertec 92fs... No box/papers

I can probably get it for @$350

Should I??

If it was a G I would already pounce... Wanted to wait for the M9A3 to convert to G, but this will be less than half the price. I don't NEED another Pizza pistol. But damn it fits the hand better than the standard M9. Decisions...

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160906/27eb1b5f5bb2bdadab0e479633d2d77b.jpg

$350 for a no papers Vertec? Are you kidding me? I'm asking gun stores to sell me a Vertec for $650+ with a background check and a registration of my DNA and no one will take my money.

[Gadfly]

It's a friend deal. I want one, but would not go retail at 650. I was not looking. It just randomly popped up, and I always liked the Vertec grip.

I just picked up a used gen 4 19 this weekend. So there went my side cash. Just randomly heard a friend was selling so I made an offer. I got the 19 with 4 mags, box/papers, apex trigger and original parts, and Vickars sights. For $300. (Don't hate me for having friends that need to move guns quick!) Picked up a 442 from a co worker for $250.... I usually hear someone wants to sell. I lowball expecting they will go higher, and they just take the first offer.

I'm probably going to hell...

[StraitR]

It's a friend deal. I want one, but would not go retail at 650. I was not looking. It just randomly popped up, and I always liked the Vertec grip.

I just picked up a used gen 4 19 this weekend. So there went my side cash. Just randomly heard a friend was selling so I made an offer. I got the 19 with 4 mags, box/papers, apex trigger and original parts, and Vickars sights. For $300. (Don't hate me for having friends that need to move guns quick!) Picked up a 442 from a co worker for $250.... I usually hear someone wants to sell. I lowball expecting they will go higher, and they just take the first offer.

I'm probably going to hell...

This just turned into a poll...

A) Gadfly is a really good friend.
B) Gadfly is a really bad friend.
C) Gadfly has a bunch of crackhead friends in need of a fix.
D) I don't know, but he's definitely going to hell.

:p


I can't say much, I bought a no-lock 638 from a friend for $150, with CT Laser Grips. :eek: Hey, I said "name your price", that's what he wanted. Then again, I just sold my like new 43 to a friend for $300.

And definitely buy that Vertec for $350.

[HCM]

It's a friend deal. I want one, but would not go retail at 650. I was not looking. It just randomly popped up, and I always liked the Vertec grip.

I just picked up a used gen 4 19 this weekend. So there went my side cash. Just randomly heard a friend was selling so I made an offer. I got the 19 with 4 mags, box/papers, apex trigger and original parts, and Vickars sights. For $300. (Don't hate me for having friends that need to move guns quick!) Picked up a 442 from a co worker for $250.... I usually hear someone wants to sell. I lowball expecting they will go higher, and they just take the first offer.

I'm probably going to hell...

Wilson makes G-10 Vertec grips now ..... http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Wilson-Combat-G10-Grips-Checkered-with-WC-Logo-Dirty-Olive-Beretta-Vertec/productinfo/794-FS-VT-DO/

[Bummy425]

C and D 🖒

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[Gadfly]

Did I mention the p2000sk LEM .40 I got from a co worker during his divorce? With box/paper, two holster, and 8 mags.... $350

Going to hell.

I did not like the little HK in .40... Way to snappy recoil. I traded it for a NIB 229r DA/SA. Which I ended up selling back to the guy who sold me the HK for....

Shit, I am REALLY going to hell.

[StraitR]

I didn't think they put up with those kind of shenanigans out there in Texas? :o

[Hot Sauce]

(Don't hate me for having friends that need to move guns quick!)

Too late, dude!

However... can you intro me to your clique? :o

[GJM]

Did I mention the p2000sk LEM .40 I got from a co worker during his divorce? With box/paper, two holster, and 8 mags.... $350

Going to hell.

I did not like the little HK in .40... Way to snappy recoil. I traded it for a NIB 229r DA/SA. Which I ended up selling back to the guy who sold me the HK for....

Shit, I am REALLY going to hell.

You should consider starting a side business for your friends -- payday loans.

[Kyle Reese]

$350 for the Vertec? I'd have excused myself, stopped by a cash machine and bought it on the spot.

[Joe in PNG]

Do you think Nyeti has all those cool revolvers because he finds a great deal, and then passes them up because he doesn't think he can spare the cash at the moment?

[Gadfly]

Some of buys were "payday loans". Some were "I have this gun I have not shot in years". Some were me just throwing out a number not expecting they would say yes.

The Vertec is just a friend who never shot it and knows I want one...

[Suvorov]

I'm probably going to hell...

At least you will be well armed.

Hell I'd offer you $500 to pick it up for me and ship it to my FFL. BUT - Only the Inox Vertec is approved by my Commissars for me to own and thus not on the roster. [emoji20]

[Wondering Beard]

At least you will be well armed.


He who goes to Heaven unarmed had better be certain that it is exactly where he is going.

[OnionsAndDragons]

Gadfly,

Put me on the list of yet another guy that would gladly buy that from you if you didn't want to keep it...

[LockedBreech]

Get in line you animals!


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[jcmoore2]

It's a friend deal. I want one, but would not go retail at 650. I was not looking. It just randomly popped up, and I always liked the Vertec grip.

I just picked up a used gen 4 19 this weekend. So there went my side cash. Just randomly heard a friend was selling so I made an offer. I got the 19 with 4 mags, box/papers, apex trigger and original parts, and Vickars sights. For $300. (Don't hate me for having friends that need to move guns quick!) Picked up a 442 from a co worker for $250.... I usually hear someone wants to sell. I lowball expecting they will go higher, and they just take the first offer.

I'm probably going to hell...

Don't take this personally, but I think I'm glad I'm not your friend. :rolleyes:

[Gadfly]

I took the Vertec and shot it today. Trigger was OK. I finally realized it was bone dry and dusty. A few drops of lube....Sweeeeeeet. The trigger slicked right up and came alive with a little oil. I took it apart and internally it looked unfired. No rub marks or shinny spots. Just factory finish.

Did not have time to do the paperwork as the shop was very busy. But I told them I was all in to buy it and will pick it up when I get back into town from business next week.

** The Gun was part of a large consignment of guns from a well known holster maker. The outsides have scratches and dings from mold making, but internally, most were unfired... I am a lucky guy sometimes.

[LockedBreech]

I took the Vertec and shot it today. Trigger was OK. I finally realized it was bone dry and dusty. A few drops of lube....Sweeeeeeet. The trigger slicked right up and came alive with a little oil. I took it apart and internally it looked unfired. No rub marks or shinny spots. Just factory finish.

Did not have time to do the paperwork as the shop was very busy. But I told them I was all in to buy it and will pick it up when I get back into town from business next week.

** The Gun was part of a large consignment of guns from a well known holster maker. The outsides have scratches and dings from mold making, but internally, most were unfired... I am a lucky guy sometimes.

*mutters to self* thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's gun luck

[OnionsAndDragons]

Ima covet. Ain't gonna lie.

[GardoneVT]

Ima covet. Ain't gonna lie.

At least you're not bearing false witness :D

[Suvorov]

I am a lucky guy sometimes.

You just be careful with it - according to the State of Kalifornia, Brunton finished Vertecs are especially dangerous.....

[Guinnessman]

At least you will be well armed.

Hell I'd offer you $500 to pick it up for me and ship it to my FFL. BUT - Only the Inox Vertec is approved by my Commissars for me to own and thus not on the roster. [emoji20]

Suvorov,

It sounds like you need to get out of the Bay Area and on to freedom!

[Gadfly]

Suvorov,

It sounds like you need to get out of the Bay Area and on to freedom!

Ironically, I am flying to the Bay Area today for work. And I am flying with my Glock... I will roam the streets while off duty, and none of the sheep will know there is evil/scary/dangerous Tupperware in my waistband. Oh the horror!

Besides Alcatraz/Fishermans warf/Golden gate bridge, what else should I try and see while I am there?

[Suvorov]

Ironically, I am flying to the Bay Area today for work. And I am flying with my Glock... I will roam the streets while off duty, and none of the sheep will know there is evil/scary/dangerous Tupperware in my waistband. Oh the horror!

Besides Alcatraz/Fishermans warf/Golden gate bridge, what else should I try and see while I am there?

It all depends how long you are here for. Alcatraz is neat from a historical view, just plan on it taking longer getting to and from. It's been years since I did the tour so other than the tours being "at your own pace" I don't know much about it other than you need to buy tickets in advance on line.

Fisherman's Wharf is a mess. I avoid it when possible as it is a haven for the wierdo's of SF to have center stage. That said it is a place that typifies the city so if it is worth going to if you are a tourist. The real sad part is that a large number of the restaurants are chain types. Use Yelp to help you find a good place to eat as I have yet to have a good meal in the Wharf/Pier39 area. Ghirardelli Square just by the Wharf is kind of neat if you like chocolate.

The Bridge now IS something special. My favorite place to take visitors to see the Bridge is Lands End Park (https://www.google.com/maps/dir//Lands+End+Trail,+San+Francisco,+CA+94121/@37.7857332,-122.5752355,12z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m8!4m7!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x8085864d0e17 f80d:0xd289856e45503c1e!2m2!1d-122.505195!2d37.7856183). The views are spectacular and there are some nice trails for some very light hiking. It is far enough from the bridge that you get more than just an international orange column in the photos but close enough to really take in the beauty. A good restaurant near Land's End is the Cliff House. It has great views and is a little piece of history. Just up the coast from the Park is Baker Beach which has many of the old coastal defense gun batteries. You can still climb around the bunkers and it gives you a glimpse of SF's martial history. The Presido is also a nice place for a walk. It still retains much of its old Army base flavor and feel but has been converted to housing (very expensive housing mind you) and business parks.

If you are looking for a visit to a fishing town then I would recommend a day trip to Half Moon Bay. It's just down the coast from SF but it is hard to imagine that this small town is located just a few miles from a mass cesspool of humanity. It has a nice little down town and then it's own wharf where fishermen bring their daily catches. A whole lot more authentic and far less commercialized than S.F.. Good for a half day or a whole day.

Marin County is also beautiful. Lots of quaint shops and beautiful bay views. This is the true heart of Nancy Pelosi's SF where you see the progressives in their multi-million dollar homes and expensive cars.

Feel free to shoot me a P.M. if you have any questions.

[HCM]

Ironically, I am flying to the Bay Area today for work. And I am flying with my Glock... I will roam the streets while off duty, and none of the sheep will know there is evil/scary/dangerous Tupperware in my waistband. Oh the horror!

Besides Alcatraz/Fishermans warf/Golden gate bridge, what else should I try and see while I am there?

Fort Point at the base of the Golden Gate is cool, especially if you've seen Pointblank.. I'll second Suvarov's recommendations for Lands End park and The Cliff House.

Fisherman a Wharf is a haven for weirdos and street crime best avoided. The food is nothing special.

The Alcatraz boats are sometimes booked a few weeks in advance. If you can't go to the Island take one of the Marin ferrys from the main ferry terminal on the Embarcadero. It will take you past Alcatraz and give you a great view of the bay,

There is. a market with all sorts of places to eat in the Ferry Terminal as well. You can also walk a bit south on the Embarcadero and get a Hotdog at Reds, right on the water.

A walk around Chinatown is interesting. Two good places to eat there are Hunan Homes and House of Nanking, though I personally prefer Hunan Homes.

There are several other great places to eat near the office- Molinari's Delicatessen on Columbus and Schroeders is a great German Restaurant and Bar on Front street. It's been in business since 1893. http://www.schroederssf.com

For beef - House of Prime Rib it's fancy and pricey - but worth it. Steaks - Izzy's Steakhouse which is casual and reasonable for SF.

If you are a fan of scotch or So I Married an Axe Murderer - check out Edinburgh Castle in the Tenderloin but take a cab to and from - because the Tenderloin is generally a wretched hive of scum and villainy.

The Top of The Mark, the bar on the top floor of the Mark Hopkins hotel is the highest point in SF and has great views.

[LockedBreech]

Thread starts about Berettas.

192 pages later, I'm nodding and making appreciative sounds because now I know some things to do in San Francisco.

Fun forum.

[DGI]

I had a M9 Special Edition frame that I built into a M9 Replica using correct parts just sitting in the safe and I decided to swap some parts around that I had in the parts box.

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn89/prez1967/Guns/23E5AB7B-236E-4986-BF41-D747D6F0CA77_zpshxbhsjfm.jpg (http://s302.photobucket.com/user/prez1967/media/Guns/23E5AB7B-236E-4986-BF41-D747D6F0CA77_zpshxbhsjfm.jpg.html)


http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn89/prez1967/Guns/E4085300-3A4D-4C54-B6B3-5F7165ED3DB6_zpskmbfrxep.jpg (http://s302.photobucket.com/user/prez1967/media/Guns/E4085300-3A4D-4C54-B6B3-5F7165ED3DB6_zpskmbfrxep.jpg.html)

Need to get to the range and see how the Crimson Trace grips do, this will be my first set.

[Suvorov]

Does anyone know if there is an alternate source yet for getting tritium inserts on 92/M9 front sight posts since tool tech has stopped doing it?

[Jared]

Yesterday, I was in one of my LGS, and I saw a guy trading in a 92. Curious, I waited until the deal was consumated and then checked it out. Boring 92FS except for one little thing, it was one of the police special models that had the matte blue finish instead of the Bruniton. Those haven't become collectible have they? Please say no, I need another 92 like I need a hole in my head.

[Suvorov]

Yesterday, I was in one of my LGS, and I saw a guy trading in a 92. Curious, I waited until the deal was consumated and then checked it out. Boring 92FS except for one little thing, it was one of the police special models that had the matte blue finish instead of the Bruniton. Those haven't become collectible have they? Please say no, I need another 92 like I need a hole in my head.

All the Police Specials I have seen have identical finishes to the standard 92 and M9. Not saying their aren't Matte Blue finishes (so beautiful like on the Browning HP MKIII) but I haven't seen one?

[Jared]

All the Police Specials I have seen have identical finishes to the standard 92 and M9. Not saying their aren't Matte Blue finishes (so beautiful like on the Browning HP MKIII) but I haven't seen one?

Maybe matte blue isn't the right description. There's definitely something different about it, and unless I'm mistaken, it is a police special, it had the PS inside a shield emblem on the slide. Previous owner said it was from a local PD that his father was chief of. Kinda made me sad when I thought about him trading Dad's duty gun off on a 10mm 1911, but whatever, his memories, not mine.

[LockedBreech]

Maybe matte blue isn't the right description. There's definitely something different about it, and unless I'm mistaken, it is a police special, it had the PS inside a shield emblem on the slide. Previous owner said it was from a local PD that his father was chief of. Kinda made me sad when I thought about him trading Dad's duty gun off on a 10mm 1911, but whatever, his memories, not mine.

That breaks my heart. I have service guns from my grandpa and dad and I wouldn't trade them for just about anything short of an immediate family member needing medical care.

[Suvorov]

Maybe matte blue isn't the right description. There's definitely something different about it, and unless I'm mistaken, it is a police special, it had the PS inside a shield emblem on the slide. Previous owner said it was from a local PD that his father was chief of. Kinda made me sad when I thought about him trading Dad's duty gun off on a 10mm 1911, but whatever, his memories, not mine.

Certainly could be, especially if the gun was for a Chief of Police. I have come across a couple police specials over the years, the first had the PS and shield as you described and was built in the late 80s. It had the M9 style sights instead of the 3-dot that was all the rage at the time. The other was a 2006-7 vintage PS with slanted dust cover and plastic parts that did not have any special markings other than the Police Special cardboard box and 3 magazines. Both had standard Brunton finishes.

SO.......

It would seem to me that the pistol you saw at the store is a "special" police special and deserving of a good home....... ;)

[Suvorov]

That breaks my heart. I have service guns from my grandpa and dad and I wouldn't trade them for just about anything short of an immediate family member needing medical care.

Then I probably shouldn't tell you about a story that was in the San Francisco press a few years ago about a couple of typical bay area types who's WWII Veteran grandfather had died and left them a nice M1 Garand and a few WWII pistols. They decided that they needed to be given to a local "artist" who's shtick was to melt guns down and turn them into "modern art" sculptures.......

:(

[Jared]

Certainly could be, especially if the gun was for a Chief of Police. I have come across a couple police specials over the years, the first had the PS and shield as you described and was built in the late 80s. It had the M9 style sights instead of the 3-dot that was all the rage at the time. The other was a 2006-7 vintage PS with slanted dust cover and plastic parts that did not have any special markings other than the Police Special cardboard box and 3 magazines. Both had standard Brunton finishes.

SO.......

It would seem to me that the pistol you saw at the store is a "special" police special and deserving of a good home....... ;)

This one had the three dot sights, steel small parts. Anyway, I decided to give it a good home and called the shop back, and it'd already sold, along with the brand new Italian made 92FS they had in, to two different customers. Who says the 92 is dead?

I didn't need it, really, I didn't, I was gonna buy for the story behind it.

[LockedBreech]

Then I probably shouldn't tell you about a story that was in the San Francisco press a few years ago about a couple of typical bay area types who's WWII Veteran grandfather had died and left them a nice M1 Garand and a few WWII pistols. They decided that they needed to be given to a local "artist" who's shtick was to melt guns down and turn them into "modern art" sculptures.......

:(

I can't make a deep enough horror face

[Joe in PNG]

I can't make a deep enough horror face

On the one hand, that is pretty awful. On the other hand, better than the usual fate of guns owned by "typical bay area types"- turned into the cops to be scrapped.
On the gripping hand, it's a pretty crappy thing to do.

[LockedBreech]

On the one hand, that is pretty awful. On the other hand, better than the usual fate of guns owned by "typical bay area types"- turned into the cops to be scrapped.
On the gripping hand, it's a pretty crappy thing to do.

I saw one high rez image of guns in CA a few moments before scrapping. Lots of gangbanger junk but just at a casual glance a lot that wasn't. Like that post-war pic of hueys getting shoved into the ocean. Makes me feel ill.


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[Gadfly]

If it makes anyone hate me a little less, I lost out on the Vertec.

I told the range owner to put it away for me the day I saw it. We agreed on $330... The next day, I shot it with one of the employees, and told him I wanted it then, but we did not know if I was buying it "on the books" from the range with a 4473, or straight from my buddy that was selling. I was heading out of town and told him to set it aside and I will pick it up in 10 days when I get back from a business trip...

Today I went in and did the paperwork while my buddy spent 30 minutes digging in the safe for the Vertec... It was gone. A few texts later....

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Sooo, my luck did not hold. I should have given them the money the day I shot it and kept my "friend deal" I had going... Crap.

I need a "snooze you lose" tattoo.

[StraitR]

Looks like you lost out to the power of the almighty dollar.

$420 > your personal relationship and his word

[Gadfly]

The range owner/gun owner were on board for the deal. The employee assumed since the gun was still in the safe, I must have passed...

Again, my fault for not getting it the first day I saw it. I knew that was a smoking deal I was getting.

[ReverendMeat]

So I was checking out my distributors earlier today and saw that Lipseys has NON-RAILED 92FS Compacts available. This might be common knowledge to everybody but it was (good) news to me so figure'd I'd share.

[StraitR]

The range owner/gun owner were on board for the deal. The employee assumed since the gun was still in the safe, I must have passed...

Again, my fault for not getting it the first day I saw it. I knew that was a smoking deal I was getting.

Ahh, I was reading the text "I got caught up in the sale - I forgot you wanted it".

Either way, bummer dude.

[OlongJohnson]

So I was checking out my distributors earlier today and saw that Lipseys has NON-RAILED 92FS Compacts available. This might be common knowledge to everybody but it was (good) news to me so figure'd I'd share.

Some people dislike Bud's, but they're winning on price as of now.

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[Terry]

Hello,

New to the Forum, I'm a devoted 92 fan, so take this for what it's worth. In my opinion, the Compact version is better balanced than the full sized gun, both physically and aesthetically, a tad easier to carry with the shorter barrel, but still very accurate.

It's an extremely soft shooting 9mm, and with the X2 mag spacers available now, you can use any "normal" full size 92 mag in it, which basically turns it into a 92 Centurion.

The only real "minus" is the fixed front sight.

[Gadfly]

Well, joke is on me...

I am now the proud owner of the Vertec that I was complaining got sold out from under me. Who did it get sold to? My wife, who gave it to me for my birthday yesterday.

Turns out, she did not know what to get me, so she went to tam to my friends at the Range I hang out at. They told her I had been eyeing the Vertec, so she bought it. And all the employees conspired to say they had sold it to someone else... And then she said that since I was going to buy it anyway, she needed more presents..

She also got me a ZT knife AND a Sig Rome 4 red dot sight!

She rocks, and I am a lucky man.

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Internally, looks unfired. Minor rail wear from hand cycling and minor external crashes from being used to make a holster mold. Need a fiber front sight, WC single side safety. Going to replace the trigger return spring with a beefier Wolf spring, and add a standard metal guide rod...

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[Gadfly]

"D" mainspring installed, new Wolf trigger return spring installed. Low profile take down lever. Metal guide rod... Slowly taking shape!

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[11B10]

Well, joke is on me...

I am now the proud owner of the Vertec that I was complaining got sold out from under me. Who did it get sold to? My wife, who gave it to me for my birthday yesterday.

Turns out, she did not know what to get me, so she went to tam to my friends at the Range I hang out at. They told her I had been eyeing the Vertec, so she bought it. And all the employees conspired to say they had sold it to someone else... And then she said that since I was going to buy it anyway, she needed more presents..

She also got me a ZT knife AND a Sig Rome 4 red dot sight!

She rocks, and I am a lucky man.

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Internally, looks unfired. Minor rail wear from hand cycling and minor external crashes from being used to make a holster mold. Need a fiber front sight, WC single side safety. Going to replace the trigger return spring with a beefier Wolf spring, and add a standard metal guide rod...

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Ummmmm.. I think "lucky" may not be quite strong enough, Sir.

[Gadfly]

Anyone got any info or love for the 90-two?

Any collector interest? Any quirks? Parts interchange with the 92?


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[JSGlock34]

The 90-Two was the predecessor to the 92A1. It introduced the recoil buffer designed to better handle .40 S&W. The FS safety incorporated an 'over-center' position designed to prevent accidental activation when clearing malfunctions. Most interestingly it was convertible from 'FS' to 'G' configuration. The 90-Two was much maligned for its one piece grip design.

The 90-Two definitely deviates from the standard 92 design - frame, slide, safety, grips are not interchangeable - not sure what else.

Personally I'm not a fan of either the 90-Two or 92A1, but between the two I find the 90-Two the more interesting pistol due to the convertible levers (hopefully coming to the entire 92 series soon). Still, I think the 90-Two is what you get when you decide to let Giorgetto Giugiaro (a prestigious automobile designer) design your pistol, where as the Elite I/II/92G-SD/Vertec G are what you get when you let the Beretta Shooting Team design pistols.

And 90-Two has got to be one of the worst product names ever.

[breakingtime91]

The 90-Two was the predecessor to the 92A1. It introduced the recoil buffer designed to better handle .40 S&W. The FS safety incorporated an 'over-center' position designed to prevent accidental activation when clearing malfunctions. Most interestingly it was convertible from 'FS' to 'G' configuration. The 90-Two was much maligned for its one piece grip design.

The 90-Two definitely deviates from the standard 92 design - frame, slide, safety, grips are not interchangeable - not sure what else.

Personally I'm not a fan of either the 90-Two or 92A1, but between the two I find the 90-Two the more interesting pistol due to the convertible levers (hopefully coming to the entire 92 series soon). Still, I think the 90-Two is what you get when you decide to let Giorgetto Giugiaro (a prestigious automobile designer) design your pistol, where as the Elite I/II/92G-SD/Vertec G are what you get when you let the Beretta Shooting Team design pistols.

And 90-Two has got to be one of the worst product names ever.

I have seen you post about the 92a1 before. I still don't understand why you dislike it so much? Genuinely curious

[Gadfly]

Most interestingly it was convertible from 'FS' to 'G' configuration. The 90-Two was much maligned for its one piece grip design.

And 90-Two has got to be one of the worst product names ever.

Sooo, you need different levers to convert? Or is it like the storm, where you just remove a detente and spring but use the same levers?

And 90-two is the worst attempt at a "pun" product name ever. And the stupid plastic rail cover that made it look like it had no rail in all the adds... why?


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[JSGlock34]

92A1 will get you killed on the street?

Just kidding. I think I've said before that the 92A1 is a fine shooter and 99% of folks probably couldn't tell the difference between a 92A1 and a 92FS. My only practical objection to the 92A1 is my preference for G models, and the 92A1 was never offered in G configuration.

So my antipathy for these models is not performance based, but instead because of my dislike for the Beretta Corporate decision making that led to their creation. The start of the century was a golden age of 92 designs, with Elite/Vertec/SD models available and G models plentiful. But in their push for the PX4, these models were abandoned. At least the 90-Two introduced the convertible levers, and had Beretta incorporated this feature into the 92A1 from its introduction, the 92A1 might well have become the darling of the Beretta lineup.

I suppose we can argue that the 96A1 offers something for .40, but Beretta was really late to this game. Besides, is a 96A1 really more durable than a Brigadier? I'm not sure I really care either way as the 92 isn't my choice for .40 regardless of how Beretta tweaks the underlying design.

Now we are watching "back to the future" as models like the M9A3 (essentially a resurrected Vertec) are now the 'future' of the lineup.

Again, nothing wrong with a 92A1. I just prefer to live in an alternate timeline where the Elites and Vertecs were never discontinued, the 90-Two never existed, and the M9A3 was offered as an Engineering Change to the Army in 2005.

[breakingtime91]

92A1 will get you killed on the street?

Just kidding. I think I've said before that the 92A1 is a fine shooter and 99% of folks probably couldn't tell the difference between a 92A1 and a 92FS. My only practical objection to the 92A1 is my preference for G models, and the 92A1 was never offered in G configuration.

So my antipathy for these models is not performance based, but instead because of my dislike for the Beretta Corporate decision making that led to their creation. The start of the century was a golden age of 92 designs, with Elite/Vertec/SD models available and G models plentiful. But in their push for the PX4, these models were abandoned. At least the 90-Two introduced the convertible levers, and had Beretta incorporated this feature into the 92A1 from its introduction, the 92A1 might well have become the darling of the Beretta lineup.

I suppose we can argue that the 96A1 offers something for .40, but Beretta was really late to this game. Besides, is a 96A1 really more durable than a Brigadier? I'm not sure I really care either way as the 92 isn't my choice for .40 regardless of how Beretta tweaks the underlying design.

Now we are watching "back to the future" as models like the M9A3 (essentially a resurrected Vertec) are now the 'future' of the lineup.

Again, nothing wrong with a 92A1. I just prefer to live in an alternate timeline where the Elites and Vertecs were never discontinued, the 90-Two never existed, and the M9A3 was offered as an Engineering Change to the Army in 2005.

Awesome post. Thank you

[LockedBreech]

92A1 will get you killed on the street?

Just kidding. I think I've said before that the 92A1 is a fine shooter and 99% of folks probably couldn't tell the difference between a 92A1 and a 92FS. My only practical objection to the 92A1 is my preference for G models, and the 92A1 was never offered in G configuration.

So my antipathy for these models is not performance based, but instead because of my dislike for the Beretta Corporate decision making that led to their creation. The start of the century was a golden age of 92 designs, with Elite/Vertec/SD models available and G models plentiful. But in their push for the PX4, these models were abandoned. At least the 90-Two introduced the convertible levers, and had Beretta incorporated this feature into the 92A1 from its introduction, the 92A1 might well have become the darling of the Beretta lineup.

I suppose we can argue that the 96A1 offers something for .40, but Beretta was really late to this game. Besides, is a 96A1 really more durable than a Brigadier? I'm not sure I really care either way as the 92 isn't my choice for .40 regardless of how Beretta tweaks the underlying design.

Now we are watching "back to the future" as models like the M9A3 (essentially a resurrected Vertec) are now the 'future' of the lineup.

Again, nothing wrong with a 92A1. I just prefer to live in an alternate timeline where the Elites and Vertecs were never discontinued, the 90-Two never existed, and the M9A3 was offered as an Engineering Change to the Army in 2005.

I bought my dad a 96A1 a few years ago because he was once issued a 96G and didn't have the spare $100 to buy it from the agency when they switched platforms, because my wailing, diaper-clad behind needed every dollar he could get. Despite the reputation of the 1990s Model 96s, he was a low round count shooter and apparently they had a strongly positive reputation in his agency due to being dead-nuts reliable. I imagine if they had kept them around much longer they'd have had the same issues as all the other agencies who had 96s for a long time, but this is one of those agencies that jumps guns every 5 years or so.

I was relatively impressed with the 96A1. it's beefy, the recoil buffer seems like an okay design addition, and the machining was nice. Recoil when firing is mild. For a guy like my dad, who these days fires maybe 50 rounds a year and is more married to .40 S&W than he is to my mom, it's a pretty good load-it-and-stuff-it-in-the-night-table gun and I can reasonably trust it will work for him if there's a burglar and he forgets to grab my grandpa's 870.

As you've noted, though, it's such a late entry. It's a heavy 12+1 .40 S&W. It's Betamax. A shame it wasn't around when the original 96s were issued or they might have enjoyed the reputation the P229 earned in .40 S&W.

[JSGlock34]

Sooo, you need different levers to convert? Or is it like the storm, where you just remove a detente and spring but use the same levers?

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It's a kit. Here's one for sale at Beretta Forum (http://berettaforum.net/vb/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1203011)...


I sold my second 90-Two and the new owner wanted FS so I converted it back. These kits are exceedingly rare and hard to find.

Yes, BUSA is releasing a forthcoming kit that will do G conversion on any FS slide but it uses somewhat clunky Cougar levers. These are the proper style 90-Two levers and will work only on 90-Two's . It reuses the striker and roll pin from the FS unit you pull out.

$150/shipped (or best offer)

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[LockedBreech]

My 92FS Compact no-rail is out of layaway jail and on its way to me. My 92FS is very excited about family coming to visit. And with that, I'm done buying guns for the foreseeable future, because I need spare funds when the APX and M9A3 are readily available and vetted.

[MSparks909]

M9A3: They are completely vaporware now. While they were never in "abundance," I cannot find anyplace that has one in stock. Even Gunbroker, usually a last resort check for me, has none. I know the new TN factory is spinning up but Christ how long does that take? Wonder if we'll see M9A3 Gs before Thanksgiving :rolleyes:

[Jared]

M9A3: They are completely vaporware now. While they were never in "abundance," I cannot find anyplace that has one in stock. Even Gunbroker, usually a last resort check for me, has none. I know the new TN factory is spinning up but Christ how long does that take? Wonder if we'll see M9A3 Gs before Thanksgiving :rolleyes:

Look, I work in a factory, and I've seen machines that were moved 60 feet that took weeks to start running correctly again, let alone hauled over a few states. I don't know exactly what's going on at Beretta, but I do know that automated machinery isn't quite as perfect as it looks on Modern Marvel's.

[Suvorov]

M9A3: They are completely vaporware now. While they were never in "abundance," I cannot find anyplace that has one in stock. Even Gunbroker, usually a last resort check for me, has none. I know the new TN factory is spinning up but Christ how long does that take? Wonder if we'll see M9A3 Gs before Thanksgiving :rolleyes:

I feel your pain.

[Gadfly]

So, I installed the Wilson Combat Standard (674) Single Safety lever/de-cocker. I wanted less chance to accidentally go on safe. I went with the standard size over the low profile, because I felt the standard size safety wan not overtly large.

Well as you can see from the pics, the Wilson is a tad larger. Not majorly, but it is enough to notice, and enough that I am not liking it. It is also not nearly as rounded off as the stock lever. Not sharp, but it damn well digs into your hand on an overhand power stroke. I am considering just taking a file or dreamil to it. But first, I am going to try the low profile single side model.

Question, has anyone just taken a stock ambi safety, removed the outboard lever, and sanded down the outboard axle to resemble a Wilson single side? It seems like it cans be that hard to do....



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[breakingtime91]

I really like the low profile. Can't really imagine a way of engaging it

[Gadfly]

How about disengaging it? As in, once I de cock, is it a simple flick up?


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[Clobbersaurus]

How about disengaging it? As in, once I de cock, is it a simple flick up?


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Yes, it's easy to operate. I have one installed on my Girsan. I usually flick it up with my support hand, but can also do so easily with my strong hand thumb.

Edit: You can also flick down on the low profile lever with your support hand thumb knuckle to disengage the safety, just like the OEM part. You just have to press into the lever a little harder with with your strong hand thumb.

[breakingtime91]

Yes, it's easy to operate. I have one installed on my Girsan. I usually flick it up with my support hand, but can also do so easily with my strong hand thumb.

Same. I prefer to use support hand but if I have to, can shift my grip and operate it one handed.

[MSparks909]

Beretta gurus: How different in size are the PX4 dovetails compared to regular M9A1/92A1 dovetails? I was one click away from buying an Inox PX4 Storm full-size tonight until I looked up sight options for this pistol. They are nearly non-existent. I was specifically looking for a .115 - .125 fiber optic front & a plain black rear. I assumed Dawson would make some (or any Beretta sights for that matter) but they don't.

I'm wondering if I could pick up a Wilson Battlesight rear and a Wilson fiber optic front and file them to fit a PX4...though they probably wouldn't regulate POA/POI in my preferred "drive the dot" sight pic. Trijicon does offer HDs and those are certainly better than stock but I was envisioning using the full size PX4 some in USPSA/local matches so I'd really prefer a fiber optic front/black rear.

If Ameriglo makes the PX4 Compact Carry sights available those could certainly be a viable option. I'll keep doing some research and see if I can find dovetail/sight dimensions for the PX4 and Wilson sights.

[LockedBreech]

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2013-production 92FS, 2008 production PX4, both stock, 92FS standard 3-dot, PX4 back when they came with Superluminova 3-dot.

Edit: oh, you meant 92A1, not 92FS. I'm dumb, disregard.

I don't think the 92FS is even dovetailed at all. This is an entirely pointless post. Sorry.


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[jeep45238]

Question, has anyone just taken a stock ambi safety, removed the outboard lever, and sanded down the outboard axle to resemble a Wilson single side? It seems like it cans be that hard to do....

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Your local cheapskate here....I wanted the Wilson low-pro single side, but couldn't justify the cost. My problem with the stock setup was the left side digging into me hard core on a power stroke.

I totally took a Dremel on the left side and removed the two pins to remove the right side wing. I absolutely hated it, and I have a G model. I re-installed the right side, and all is well. You can't really shave down the right side since it's a stamping and you'd go right through it, but I found it to be the right combo for me.

Summary - you can do it, just go slow and think about the angles involved to engage/disengage, and what parts eat your hand on the power stroke. My recommendation would be leaving the top and bottom edges more or less alone, and giving a gentle ramp on the leading edge. If you're still worried about accidentally engaging, slightly lower the profile a little at a time while testing to find the sweet spot for you.

The big disclaimer is I have a G model, so I only have to contend with one motion of the lever, not two.

[Edwin]

Beretta gurus: How different in size are the PX4 dovetails compared to regular M9A1/92A1 dovetails? I was one click away from buying an Inox PX4 Storm full-size tonight until I looked up sight options for this pistol. They are nearly non-existent. I was specifically looking for a .115 - .125 fiber optic front & a plain black rear. I assumed Dawson would make some (or any Beretta sights for that matter) but they don't.

I'm wondering if I could pick up a Wilson Battlesight rear and a Wilson fiber optic front and file them to fit a PX4...though they probably wouldn't regulate POA/POI in my preferred "drive the dot" sight pic. Trijicon does offer HDs and those are certainly better than stock but I was envisioning using the full size PX4 some in USPSA/local matches so I'd really prefer a fiber optic front/black rear.

If Ameriglo makes the PX4 Compact Carry sights available those could certainly be a viable option. I'll keep doing some research and see if I can find dovetail/sight dimensions for the PX4 and Wilson sights.

I'm tired of waiting for someone to make a fiber front sight so I'm getting someone local to machine me one.

[Edwin]

From the "WTF was he thinking pile", I just bought a 96D Vertec. I'm going to use some of the parts to build myself a 92 Stock clone. So with the 96D Vertec slide, I'll throw in a 9mm barrel, get a regular, non-Vertec frame, and send it all off to WAL for frame safety and barrel bushing conversion. Should make for a nice little ESP gun.

[Bummy425]

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[Gadfly]

From the "WTF was he thinking pile", I just bought a 96D Vertec. I'm going to use some of the parts to build myself a 92 Stock clone. So with the 96D Vertec slide, I'll throw in a 9mm barrel, get a regular, non-Vertec frame, and send it all off to WAL for frame safety and barrel bushing conversion. Should make for a nice little ESP gun.

Sooooo, what will happen to that Vertec frame? Hint hint hint....


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[Jere]

Just bought this for 605.00. My first Beretta11002

[LockedBreech]

Just bought this for 605.00. My first Beretta11002

Welcome to the club and MAN, what an entry.


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[Jere]

Welcome to the club and MAN, what an entry.


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Thanks! I just ordered Hogue grips for it

[LockedBreech]

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Welcome home to the new family member! Manufacture date 2016. Can anyone tell me what the "IT15" stamp near the safety is? My 92FS doesn't have it.


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[GardoneVT]

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Welcome home to the new family member! Manufacture date 2016. Can anyone tell me what the "IT15" stamp near the safety is? My 92FS doesn't have it.


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That's because your newest Beretta comes from The Old Country. It's an import stamp.

Edit- on second look, that pistol is somewhat incomplete. Here's a link to get you started. Bring money.;)
http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Beretta-92_96/products/465/

[LockedBreech]

That's because your newest Beretta comes from The Old Country. It's an import stamp.

Edit- on second look, that pistol is somewhat incomplete. Here's a link to get you started. Bring money.;)
http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Beretta-92_96/products/465/

Oh I'm already greedily shopping for goodies :D

Question though. My 92FS, also from Italy, did not have that stamp

Man, I was really hoping to get a WC fluted guide rod for my Compact too, but they only have one for pre-L compacts

After an evening looking over the pistol, everything looks very good. Everything is a mite stiff, of course, but ought to be with a new gun I suppose.

Not all that much smaller than a 92 but I knew that going in.

Happy to give it a lifelong Beretta home.

I also asked my LGS guy to scare me up a NIB Beretta Bobcat Inox. Will update if he ever gets one.


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[JSGlock34]

Can anyone tell me what the "IT15" stamp near the safety is? My 92FS doesn't have it.

I think these are EU mandated markings - ISO 2 letter country code and year of manufacture (Italy -2015).

[LockedBreech]

I think these are EU mandated markings - ISO 2 letter country code and year of manufacture (Italy -2015).

That makes total sense but Beretta's website says mine was born in 2016. I wonder if the EU stamp was put on at the very end of 2015 but Beretta didn't consider it "Factory Complete" with QC and test-firings and such until after the first of the year.

Initial observations of the gun are positive. Shiny, crisp, clean looking chamber, barrel, and crown. Edges of the internals are clean and crisp and shiny minus the factory oil. The feed ramp part of the frame going into the barrel's feed ramp lip has a little dot of silver in the middle, but I'm assuming that was brass from the test shots, we'll see when I clean it.

It's not a whole lot smaller than the 92FS, which of course I knew going in, but the half-inch off the barrel and magazine will probably make a big difference should I decide to carry.

Even if I don't carry, much like a Glock 19, the balance feels good. The 1/2 inch off the barrel makes the gun feel slightly "quicker" on target. The proof will be in the pudding when I take it to the range, but for now I'm very happy to have a 92FS Compact no-rail that matches my no-rail 92FS.

Interestingly, my barrel reads "PB 9x19" like the new 92A1 barrels, rather than being blank like my 92FS, indicating the barrel was made on the machinery producing the 92A1 barrels. Maybe all 92FS Compacts have said that though, I don't know.

[jeep45238]

The slide could have been made in '15, and originally intended to be kept in the EU; there could have been shortage of slides popped up for US bound ones, and they grabbed surplus slides from other runs?

[Bummy425]

Thanks! I just ordered Hogue grips for it
Try the VZ golfball grips...like supergluing the gun to your hand!

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[LockedBreech]

I have to say, picking grips for a Beretta is always a difficult decision, because there are so many fantastic options. Hogue and VZ each have like 5 "Maybes" from me.

I have the guy from DS Grips doing custom wood-tone with inlaid Beretta medallions for my heel-release 92S as well. :) Very reasonable prices.

[rd62]

Jere,

This is my jealous face.... I've always wanted an Elite.

[JSGlock34]

That makes total sense but Beretta's website says mine was born in 2016. I wonder if the EU stamp was put on at the very end of 2015 but Beretta didn't consider it "Factory Complete" with QC and test-firings and such until after the first of the year.

Seems plausible. Looks like Beretta started adding these marks in 2014, and they've appeared on 92s, 96s, 98s (which are not usually imported) and PX4s.

The import markings appear below the original "PIETRO BERETTA - GARDEN, V.T. MADE IN ITALY" rollmark and contain the importer information, in this case, "Beretta USA Corp, Acck, MD".

[Jere]

Finding this was a freak accident Rd62. I happened to walk in the range to practice and on the way out I checked their stock and there it was. Had the wifey with me and she said get it if you want!!! (My birthday present).

[rd62]

Finding this was a freak accident Rd62. I happened to walk in the range to practice and on the way out I checked their stock and there it was. Had the wifey with me and she said get it if you want!!! (My birthday present).

Hope you bought a lottery ticket on the way home too!

[Joe in PNG]

Finding this was a freak accident Rd62. I happened to walk in the range to practice and on the way out I checked their stock and there it was. Had the wifey with me and she said get it if you want!!! (My birthday present).

I found my first Beretta by a happy accident- a 92D Centurion at a gunshow for $300.
I was hooked.

[LockedBreech]

So, I'm really enjoying my first few days with my Compact, and it will definitely be a carry option, so I'm trying to find a holster. I prefer to carry OWB in small, minimalist belt holsters (my current rig is a Walther PPS M1 in a Galco Stinger, for reference). Most of my outfits involve some sort of jacket or overcoat so I can conceal easy enough and it's comfortable. Plus I live in an extremely permissive environment so printing here and there isn't a problem. Any suggestions?

[JAD]

Seems like a good application for a JRC SSA.

[LockedBreech]

Hadn't ever heard of that holster, I'll do some reading, thanks sir.

[Gadfly]

Oops, I did it again...

Not looking for one, just randomly stumbled onto it.

So far, I note the following. The large/stock grip sucks. Very slick, very bulky. Slim grip is on order. BUT, the one piece wrap around grip is quick change with no screws to lose. I think it hit the market Before Sigs E2 grip or M&P panels. It is actually a good concept, but since it was not a popular gun, no more options came up...

The rail is so bulky, and it places the light lower than most other pistols. It makes using your support hand thumb to activate the light awkward. A direct pressure switch may be the way to go with the berettas.

The safety levers are the best of the Beretta family. Well blended into the slide, yet large enough to hit. They are 10 degrees above 90, so they won't accidentally flick on with power stroking the slide. I have tried. If this is the new M9A3 design, it is a winner.

Would Love to convert to G! But seeing the cost of the levers in this thread? Nope. It's a safety lever and a spring... for $150? The stock safety levers are like $20... so why scalpers prices for the other levers?!? Just not going to shoot it enough to justify it.

Single action trigger is nice, DA is ok, needs a D spring desperately.

Overall, I don't need this, but what the hell. It will be a safe queen, or a spare "stash gun". Who knows...

I like the Vertec better, by far. But if I could put this slide (better safety) on the Vertec frame (better trigger, better grip), I would have a winner. Too bad the slide won't swap...[emoji20]

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[LockedBreech]

The 90-Two is a confusing gun. Some really great ideas (I absolutely love that the M9A3 finally integrated that upward-canted safety design) and finally a rail, but that darn grip and the absolutely abysmal marketing and name choice sunk it.

Seriously, it would have sold so much better as the 92 Advanced or something like that, but how the hell are you supposed to say "I want a Beretta 90-Two" and not have a typical gun store owner order you a 92FS? It's like if Honda released a totally different Civic and added a v.

[Suvorov]

Gadfly - you really make me wish I had moved my family to Houston.

[GardoneVT]

Let us note that the 90-Two and improvements thereof is still in production -in the far more pleasing shape -of the 92/96A1.

The 92A1 offers little objective improvement over the Brigadier. The 96A1 , on the other hand, includes a frame buffer and a bigger frame combined with changeable sights and small parts compatibility with the 92. For those looking at a DA/SA comp gun in .40 ,it would be a good option.

[Suvorov]

The 90-Two is a confusing gun. Some really great ideas (I absolutely love that the M9A3 finally integrated that upward-canted safety design) and finally a rail, but that darn grip and the absolutely abysmal marketing and name choice sunk it.

Seriously, it would have sold so much better as the 92 Advanced or something like that, but how the hell are you supposed to say "I want a Beretta 90-Two" and not have a typical gun store owner order you a 92FS? It's like if Honda released a totally different Civic and added a v.

I also distinctly recall the salesman at Carters Country telling me that it used an entirely deferent magazine than the 92 - series. Seems that there was just a lot of confusion surrounding this blaster.

[JSGlock34]

Thanks for the write up!


Would Love to convert to G! But seeing the cost of the levers in this thread? Nope. It's a safety lever and a spring... for $150? The stock safety levers are like $20... so why scalpers prices for the other levers?!? Just not going to shoot it enough to justify it.

Looks like $150 is the going rate for conversions regardless of which pistol or how you do it. I've also seen $150 tossed around as the price for the yet to be released M9A3/universal G conversion kit. But that is also the price for a conversion at Wilson Combat. AGW quotes $185.


I like the Vertec better, by far. But if I could put this slide (better safety) on the Vertec frame (better trigger, better grip), I would have a winner. Too bad the slide won't swap...

A few guys at the Beretta forum have put 90-TWO slides on 92A1 frames... (http://berettaforum.net/vb/showpost.php?p=841530&postcount=11)really, the user 'G' conversion was probably the 90-TWO's best innovation. Definitely a step back that this feature didn't migrate to the 92A1, and Beretta waited for the M9A3 to revisit the concept for the 92 series.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-sQetdiJPBMY/T4cO86Mp6YI/AAAAAAAAA20/ix4Mr2nF0OI/s800/IMAG0717.jpg

[LockedBreech]

Thanks for the write up!



Looks like $150 is the going rate for conversions regardless of which pistol or how you do it. I've also seen $150 tossed around as the price for the yet to be released M9A3/universal G conversion kit. But that is also the price for a conversion at Wilson Combat. AGW quotes $185.



A few guys at the Beretta forum have put 90-TWO slides on 92A1 frames... (http://berettaforum.net/vb/showpost.php?p=841530&postcount=11)really, the user 'G' conversion was probably the 90-TWO's best innovation. Definitely a step back that this feature didn't migrate to the 92A1, and Beretta waited for the M9A3 to revisit the concept for the 92 series.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-sQetdiJPBMY/T4cO86Mp6YI/AAAAAAAAA20/ix4Mr2nF0OI/s800/IMAG0717.jpg

Okay, what? That slide and frame are fully compatible? Because that looks awesome!

[JSGlock34]

Yes, the 90-TWO and 92A1 are part of the same mutant branch of the Beretta 92 family tree. The 90-TWO and 92A1 are more compatible with each other than they are with the rest of the 92 family.

There's a few examples of the 90-TWO/92A1 hybrid on Beretta forum...obviously these are rare considering how uncommon the 90-TWO is in the first place.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb188/wal222/SkelatonizedTriggerII_zps4b1a9a0f.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb188/wal222/ExtendedampPortedBarrelsIVA_zpse7c8c13e.jpg

Here's a 90-TWO/96A1 version...

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w249/chestonphillips/64814577-3800-4E41-9A18-19ED4B50E48E_zpsrohx8fas.jpg

[OlongJohnson]

I called Beretta CS for some other reason today, and while I had them on the phone, asked about the G conversion kits. The very nice lady said there is no ETA, and they may never happen. That's what one guy was told by that one lady, today, for whatever it's worth.

[Hot Sauce]

Just bought this for 605.00. My first Beretta11002
605? Six Oh Five? Dammit, I will never have such luck in a lifetime.

[MSparks909]

Did some browsing on the Beretta Forum and some posters over there are reporting that M9A3 Gs are starting to make their way to gunshops. They stated they had the Cougar style decocking levers as opposed to the standard style and there was no "G" markings on the slides. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I run across one in my local shops but that's a tall order.

[LHS]

Damn dude, you stole it.


Just bought this for 605.00. My first Beretta11002

[Gadfly]

The 90-two. Slow fire. 15 rnd at 7 yards. Not super perfect, but good enough.

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[LockedBreech]

The 90-two. Slow fire. 15 rnd at 7 yards. Not super perfect, but good enough.

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That'll do the job!

[OlongJohnson]

Did some browsing on the Beretta Forum and some posters over there are reporting that M9A3 Gs are starting to make their way to gunshops. They stated they had the Cougar style decocking levers as opposed to the standard style and there was no "G" markings on the slides. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I run across one in my local shops but that's a tall order.

Just for reference, the free-state version is part number JS92M9A3GM. Looks like MAP is going to be ~$998 or so. Lots of online sellers that typically have competitive pricing are configured to let you set up an in-stock notice, so you'll get an email when they have some.

[Edwin]

Because I lack will power, I bought an Elite II tonight. Can I use my Brig Tac holster with it or am I going to have to buy a new holster just for the Elite II?

[Welder]

Because I lack will power, I bought an Elite II tonight. Can I use my Brig Tac holster with it or am I going to have to buy a new holster just for the Elite II?

If it's the one I'm thinking of on BF, you didn't buy just any old Elite II, though. Looked like a fairly solid purchase to me for the price. Can't believe the PO never shot it. What a waste.

ETA that I don't know about the BT holster - rounded trigger guard on the BT would be the only difference that could be a problem. All I have here are G-SD's, Vertecs, and Elites -- no BT's.