Looking For A Good Balcony Load

[NETim]

Since there are now some top level trainers out there advocating the ol' "Touch Two Off the Balcony" as an effective means of self-defense, I thought I'd get ahead of the curve and start loading my own "Balcony Loads."

Taking into account the intelligence behind this new trend, it seems only fitting to build a load with a lots of noise but little payload.

What's a good recipe?





:)

[orionz06]

Extra rampage if the barrel is shorter than 26".

[Chuck Haggard]

Use blackpowder and rock salt?

[Tamara]

Since there are now some top level trainers out there advocating the ol' "Touch Two Off the Balcony" as an effective means of self-defense...

My soul hurts...

[fuse]

I like to put a 12 gauge flare in the left barrel and whatever birdshot Dick's has in stock (never buy shells from walmart! This will get you killed!) in the right.

I discharge both barrels simultaneously, which is why I prefer older side-by-side models with two triggers. After exiting the weapon, both rounds combine about 11.5 feet downrange (the size of the average balcony) to form an effective "shock and awe" type munition. Very capable weapon system.

Not as potent as gluing large pistol primers (preferably Federal) in the nose of a 357 SIG hydrashock, but civilians shouldn't be messing around with that anyway.

[RoyGBiv]

How about some crushed bits of cell phone in one load and a handful of cork peas (http://www.americanwhistle.com/how.html) in the other barrel?
I call it the "call box and whistle" combo. Perfect for the ladies.

[fuse]

Perfect for the ladies.

Good to consider the needs of this very feeble and needy market segment.

I hear Lee will soon make a special vomit die with optional feces attachment, for use with their popular shotshell turret loaders.

[John Ralston]

it seems only fitting to build a load with a lots of noise but little payload.


I would ask David Axelrod...he was very successful in doing just that.

[BN]

I have some black powder loads left over from my Cowboy shooting days. I could use them. That way if I miss, at least they won't be able to see me.

I don't have a balcony. Do I use the same load shooting from my porch, or do I need to build a balcony?

[orionz06]

I have some black powder loads left over from my Cowboy shooting days. I could use them. That way if I miss, at least they won't be able to see me.

I don't have a balcony. Do I use the same load shooting from my porch, or do I need to build a balcony?


My interpretation was that no balcony no shotgun. That's why I'm sticking to the AR and Glock.

[SecondsCount]

I read that a load of nickels in a 12 gauge was best for this.

Seriously. Read this on an internet forum, and when I asked how they knew if the load was safe the response was "Sure! I have tried it dozens of times!"

The thread was just below the the "What length barrel for my Taurus Judge?" thread.

[Tamara]

I don't have a balcony. Do I use the same load shooting from my porch, or do I need to build a balcony?

If you don't have a balcony, how in the name of the Hartford Gun Club can you expect to afford a Perazzi to discharge over the heads of the rogues and jackanapes in the first place?

[Tamara]

That's why I'm sticking to the AR and Glock.

Barbarous weapons like those are best left to the hired help. You know, those people; the ones who didn't go to the right schools and therefore wound up in the military or police.

[NickA]

I read that a load of nickels in a 12 gauge was best for this.

It used to be dimes. Damn this economy.

[NETim]

Heeheehee... you folks are making me laugh.

Thanks!

[RoyGBiv]

"Touch Two Off the Balcony"
Maybe Joe really meant to say "Touch you with my Bologna"??
http://www.filmirsad.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/news_main_image/121010_biden_simonsays_ap_328.jpg https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQVeCXXpyjEkTJOwJGHCaYGXO49oIxx1 ySJhS2F1ir8sGHQavVzLQ

[peterb]

It used to be dimes. Damn this economy.

Dime load tested: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot35.htm

Rock salt tested: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot33.htm

[SecondsCount]

It used to be dimes. Damn this economy.

It may have been dimes now that you mention it. :D

[Drang]

It used to be dimes. Damn this economy.

I know some folks out on the Olympic Peninsula (https://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Forks,+WA&aq=0&oq=fo&sll=47.272986,-120.882277&sspn=2.981842,7.064209&vpsrc=0&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Forks,+Clallam,+Washington&t=m&z=12) who swear by the dime load, as long as the dimes are junk silver. Something about a bunch of "sparkley" troublemakers.

[EricP]

Not as potent as gluing large pistol primers (preferably Federal) in the nose of a 357 SIG hydrashock, but civilians shouldn't be messing around with that anyway.

I was talking to the old-timer who worked behind the reloading counter at my LGS. I don't recall the conversation, but it resulted in him showing me his spare magazine. Sure enough, it had primers glued into the cavity of his .45 JHPs.

[Nephrology]

If you don't have a balcony, how in the name of the Hartford Gun Club can you expect to afford a Perazzi to discharge over the heads of the rogues and jackanapes in the first place?


Haha, as a Yankee I've been to HGC a couple times...

As far as I can tell, I don't think it even matters what loads you shoot off your balcony. You're only supposed to scare him off! Why would you ever want to use a gun to SHOOT somebody??? Are you a lunatic or something?

[Chuck Haggard]

If you want to get out of hand, I once invented the rocket assisted shotgun slug,,, which I improved into the rocket assisted, impact detonated, exploding shotgun slug.

I am totally not bullshitting you. I'm lucky to have survived my high school years.

[TGS]

If you want to get out of hand, I once invented the rocket assisted shotgun slug,,, which I improved into the rocket assisted, impact detonated, exploding shotgun slug.

I am totally not bullshitting you. I'm lucky to have survived my high school years.

So what you're saying is that the British stole your idea?

Man oh man, what I would do for some Frag-12 ammo.....

[NickDrak]

I just bought this off of GunBroker for $2500.00:

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/2177/doubledefenselarge2.jpg

Did I do okay???

[Cookie Monster]

I just bought this off of GunBroker for $2500.00:

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/2177/doubledefenselarge2.jpg

Did I do okay???


I think that is what Volgrad spent on his, it's black so you got ahead of the banning assault shotgun curve. Nice job.

Cookie Monster

[NickDrak]

I think that is what Volgrad spent on his, it's black so you got ahead of the banning assault shotgun curve. Nice job.

Cookie Monster

Awesome. I was going to get the over/under version but was told that it is better to cut the bad guys in half at the waist with the side-by-side.

[rudy99]

It may have been dimes now that you mention it. :D

If it was good enough for Billy, its good enough for me:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e-M2eekzus

[JHC]

I like to put a 12 gauge flare in the left barrel and whatever birdshot Dick's has in stock (never buy shells from walmart! This will get you killed!) in the right.

I discharge both barrels simultaneously, which is why I prefer older side-by-side models with two triggers. After exiting the weapon, both rounds combine about 11.5 feet downrange (the size of the average balcony) to form an effective "shock and awe" type munition. Very capable weapon system.

Not as potent as gluing large pistol primers (preferably Federal) in the nose of a 357 SIG hydrashock, but civilians shouldn't be messing around with that anyway.

OMG what a thread so full of AWESOME! :D Hard pick the grand prize from these gems but his is my vote. Please continue!

[Chuck Haggard]

OMG what a thread so full of AWESOME! :D Hard pick the grand prize from these gems but his is my vote. Please continue!


That's only because you have never seen the rocket propelled shotgun slug in action.

[Tamara]

I just bought this off of GunBroker for $2500.00 ... Did I do okay???

Like. A. Boss. :D

[SeriousStudent]

I just bought this off of GunBroker for $2500.00:

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/2177/doubledefenselarge2.jpg

Did I do okay???

No sling?

So close......

[NickDrak]

No sling?

So close......

It came with a free BlackHawk! 3-point sling of course.

[SeriousStudent]

I don't know why I ever doubted.

Now if they would just make a giant clamshell SERPA, so you could carry it across your back, but barrel up?

[orionz06]

I think that is what Volgrad spent on his, it's black so you got ahead of the banning assault shotgun curve. Nice job.

Cookie Monster

He texted me earlier, he only paid $2400. He paid $200 to cerakote it Auburn orange.

[NickDrak]

I don't know why I ever doubted.

Now if they would just make a giant clamshell SERPA, so you could carry it across your back, but barrel up?

Muzzle up. Just like the SEALs.

[LHS]

Best balcony load for an O/U?

Gravlax and failure.

[JHC]

That's only because you have never seen the rocket propelled shotgun slug in action.

Too bad that was pre-youtube !

[NickA]

Dime load tested: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot35.htm

Rock salt tested: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot33.htm

I'm a little shocked that
a) somebody actually tested it
b) it more or less worked, at least in a "didn't blow up in your face and turn you into a Batman villain" kind of way


If it was good enough for Billy, its good enough for me:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e-M2eekzus

That's exactly what I was thinking of. Poor Bob Ollinger :(

[Chuck Haggard]

I'll leave this right here;
Wax slug

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbByTqjdGnI

[Chuck Haggard]

Too bad that was pre-youtube !

As my kid says "I know, right?"

At close range when the rocket is still burning it will set a car on fire.

The go-boom version left a hole in the side of a junk car door the size of a tennis ball.

[JHC]

As my kid says "I know, right?"

At close range when the rocket is still buring it will set a car on fire.

The go-boom version left a hole in the side of a junk car door the size of a tennis ball.

Christ I thought you were talkin' about bottle rocket level stuff; not RPG.

[Al T.]

The guys at "Box'o truth" get a few wrong - the rock-salt was one. To launch rock-salt effectively, take out the wad and powder. Works with rice or popcorn (un-popped) too.

[SeriousStudent]

Muzzle up. Just like the SEALs.

We'd better stop. We're getting into TTP's, and I'm not sure who reads this forum. Better safe than sorry.






Seriously though, thanks very much for the laugh, that was good. Stay safe up there.

[nonameisgood]

I had a friend in HS that shot his brother with a shotshell loaded with Q-tip ends. (It was the wad that made the bruise.). That might work well with black powder, to make a flaming Q-tip load.

[G60]

Silly Joe Biden, doesn't he know the most effective way of making even the most vicious of crooks void their bowels and flee in terror is by merely racking a pump shotgun?

[Chuck Haggard]

Christ I thought you were talkin' about bottle rocket level stuff; not RPG.

I used to be into model rockets, had access to some pretty decent engines.

[NickA]

So the corollary to "Hold my beer and watch this!" is "I bet we can get this to shoot out of a shotgun!"? I didn't have nearly enough fun I'm my younger days.

[Chuck Haggard]

So the corollary to "Hold my beer and watch this!" is "I bet we can get this to shoot out of a shotgun!"? I didn't have nearly enough fun I'm my younger days.

Pretty much. Combine teenage guys, several 12 gauge shotguns, places close by with easy access to shoot, and a reloader with plenty of supplies, and you get research in the ballistic sciences.

My bud has gone on to be an actual no-shit rocket scientist.

[MDS]

a flaming Q-tip load.

IANAL, but I'd familiarize myself with applicable hate-crime laws before using that.

[LOKNLOD]

IANAL, but I'd familiarize myself with applicable hate-crime laws before using that.

Interesting acronym choice given the context.

[JSGlock34]

Glad to see someone finally tested dimes out of a shotgun. That Young Guns 2 scene is exactly what popped to mind when I read that.

[Serpico1985]

Will someone explain why anyone would put primers in a JHP?

[LHS]

Will someone explain why anyone would put primers in a JHP?

Poor man's Roufuss round, uhbviously.

(I've never tried it, it seemed like a bad idea to me.)

[Serpico1985]

"Poor man's Roufuss round, uhbviously."

what the hell is that

[LHS]

"Poor man's Roufuss round, uhbviously."

what the hell is that

Archer joke.

In all seriousness, it's supposed to make the bullet explode on impact. I have no idea if that actually works, and if so, whether it increases or decreases terminal effectiveness.

[Tamara]

"Poor man's Roufuss round, uhbviously."

what the hell is that

Raufoss (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raufoss_Mk_211).

There used to be (maybe still is, I don't know) one of those companies that made the "special"* shotgun shells, like the ones full of carpet tacks or "Dragon's Breath", that sold a pouch of 12ga shells with hollow slugs and some 209 primers you were supposed to epoxy into the nose after filling them with whatever homebrew 'splosive you wanted. Sort of a "do-it-yourself DD NFA violation in a bag". Not looking good in stripes, I never worked up the nerve to try them.

(They also sold flechette shells, apparently unaware that the .mil had abandoned its flechette shotgun shell research back in the day because the violence of firing tended to bend the little buggers like boomerangs, doing nothing good for their ballistic properties...)


*By "special", I mean short bus special, not specops special.

[TGS]

Will someone explain why anyone would put primers in a JHP?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8XcVc_0ykU

[SecondsCount]

How about some fine young men, complete with Mustang and Ram's head tats, test all of these "crazy" loads for us. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwqKMbPfeSI)

Does it make you an expert if you have your shirt off and are sporting a Springfield XD?

[RoyGBiv]

This is what happens when you take Joes' advice but don't have a balcony.

http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/crime/man-charged-for-firing-gun-in-home


VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (WAVY) - A 22-year-old man found himself facing a summons after he told officers he fired his shotgun repeatedly upon finding masked suspects leaning in his window.

[fuse]

Will someone explain why anyone would put primers in a JHP?

I will not, as you are clearly not professional enough.

Maybe someday.

But I doubt it.

[Odin Bravo One]

This is what happens when you take Joes' advice but don't have a balcony.

http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/crime/man-charged-for-firing-gun-in-home

I'll keep tabs on this best as I can.........I don't watch TV, or get the local paper, but we have people for this sort of thing. I'll ask one of them to keep me up to date with info as it develops.

I mean, even a stupid attorney would grab that tape of Uncle Joe educating and advocating that course of action.

[rudy99]

I'll keep tabs on this best as I can.........I don't watch TV, or get the local paper, but we have people for this sort of thing. I'll ask one of them to keep me up to date with info as it develops.

I mean, even a stupid attorney would grab that tape of Uncle Joe educating and advocating that course of action.

I suspect this situation will end up in the "all animals are equal, some are just more equal than others" bucket.