Sig P239 - opinions and experiences?

[shootist26]

I want to learn a little bit more about this gun. Any noted issues with reliability, accuracy, quality control, and parts/mag availability?

[cclaxton]

I want to learn a little bit more about this gun. Any noted issues with reliability, accuracy, quality control, and parts/mag availability?

I see quite a few in used case o. Consignment. Pulled trigger on one...not great.
Don't know much more.
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[ST911]

I want to learn a little bit more about this gun. Any noted issues with reliability, accuracy, quality control, and parts/mag availability?

Popular with ladies and smaller handed shooters, Sig adherents who don't want to go Glock or S&W, and others wanting a compact but capable fighting gun. Pretty reliable, reasonably durable, with Sigs QC caveats. A good one will generally do pretty well for quite awhile. Accurate enough. Mags and parts tend to vary by who the customer is. Generally short supply on the commercial side.

Definitely preferred in 9mm to 40SW or 357SIG.

[Odin Bravo One]

I carried one concealed for work, for about 6 months. No reliability issues at all. Accuracy was acceptable. Plenty of holster, mag pouched, parts, magazines, and sighting system support.

Of course, when it came down to practical concealability, it didn't give me all that much advantage over a P228. It is roughly the same height, and length as the 228, though the 228 is 1.5-2 times as thick, which makes the 239 sound appealing. Certainly the 239 was comfortable due to it's skinny profile, but it wasn't any easier to conceal. Of course, the size and concealability difference between a 226 and 228 is very minimal as well, leading me to believe that a properly worn 226 is the best option of the 3.

239 = 8+1
228 = 13+1 (can accept some/most 226 mags)
226 = 15+1 with flush fitting mag, up to 20+1 reliably (for reloads) with Sig/MecGar mags.

Given the nominal differences in practical size/concealability, and the drastic reduction in available rounds, I have to seriously consider the pro's and con's before going with a 239 as a primary sidearm.

[JV_]

239 = 8+1
228 = 13+1 (can accept some/most 226 mags)
226 = 15+1 with flush fitting mag, up to 20+1 reliably (for reloads) with Sig/MecGar mags.

FWIW: The new 229 E2 guns, which take 229-1 mags, hold 15 rounds of 9mm.

[JDM]

FWIW: The new 229 E2 guns, which take 229-1 mags, hold 15 rounds of 9mm.

http://www.topgunsupply.com/mec-gar_p228-229-9mm-15rd-magazine-nickel.html

15rd 228 magazines.

[GJM]

FWIW: The new 229 E2 guns, which take 229-1 mags, hold 15 rounds of 9mm.

Sean and I were just discussing this. No earthly idea why Sig would bring out a 9mm 229 that takes different magazines than the 226 and 228 -- so if you have a 226, 228 and an E2 229, you need all different mags for the E2 229?

[JV_]

No earthly idea why Sig would bring out a 9mm 229 that takes different magazines than the 226 and 228It's been a while since I dug into it, but I think it was so the magwell was common between the .40 and 9mm.

[JV_]

It's been a while since I dug into it, but I think it was so the magwell was common between the .40 and 9mm.


Found the link: http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-sauer-p229-1-e2-9mm-15rd-magazine.html

The E2 and some of the recent P229 9mm models use a .40S&W frame which has a larger diameter magazine well. Matte phosphate finish.

[GJM]

In normal times, magazine commonality is desirable but not essential to me. In these times, given the existing supply of 226 and 228/229 9mm mags, I bet Sig has a problem moving these E2 9mm pistols. If HK has a striker pistol in 2013, I sure hope it takes P30 mags!

[JV_]

In normal times, magazine commonality is desirable but not essential to me. In these times, given the existing supply of 226 and 228/229 9mm mags, I bet Sig has a problem moving these E2 9mm pistols. If HK has a striker pistol in 2013, I sure hope it takes P30 mags!

Don't hold me to it, but I think 226 mags will work in a 229-1. They aren't a perfect fit, but they function.

[GJM]

Think that new M11 Sig, while called a 228, uses the new E2 mags. Too bad, as it looks like a nice pistol.

http://gunnuts.net/2012/11/20/sig-sauer-m11-a1-review/

[JV_]

Don't hold me to it, but I think 226 mags will work in a 229-1. They aren't a perfect fit, but they function.

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/5820094892

[Odin Bravo One]

I know the thread topic is the 239, but I still find the 226 easier to shoot well than either the 228/229 or 239.

I am glad to see they have increased magazine capacity on some of their products, but the 239 is still stuck at 8+1.

[GJM]

Besides less capacity, I have heard that the 239 is a lot harder to reload quickly than the 226/228?

[98z28]

Besides less capacity, I have heard that the 239 is a lot harder to reload quickly than the 226/228?

Most definitely. The 239 has straight-walled mags and a smaller magwell with little bevel to it. The 226/228 doesn't have much of a bevel either, but at least the magwell is larger and the mags are tapered. When I was running a 226/229 and 239 combo, I was much more likely to get the mag stuck on the 239 during a reload. Of course, YMMV.

[Cool Breeze]

I carried one concealed for work, for about 6 months. No reliability issues at all. Accuracy was acceptable. Plenty of holster, mag pouched, parts, magazines, and sighting system support.

Of course, when it came down to practical concealability, it didn't give me all that much advantage over a P228. It is roughly the same height, and length as the 228, though the 228 is 1.5-2 times as thick, which makes the 239 sound appealing. Certainly the 239 was comfortable due to it's skinny profile, but it wasn't any easier to conceal. Of course, the size and concealability difference between a 226 and 228 is very minimal as well, leading me to believe that a properly worn 226 is the best option of the 3.

239 = 8+1
228 = 13+1 (can accept some/most 226 mags)
226 = 15+1 with flush fitting mag, up to 20+1 reliably (for reloads) with Sig/MecGar mags.

Given the nominal differences in practical size/concealability, and the drastic reduction in available rounds, I have to seriously consider the pro's and con's before going with a 239 as a primary sidearm.


This! Also, it feels just as heavy as a p228/9 when worn on a belt - I think any of the popular polymer favorites are much better options. They are lighter, thinner, and carry more rounds.

[TNK]

The Sig P239 is okay, but, as stated, a 228 or 229 in 9mm will serve you just as well with the added advantage of a double stack magazine. A double stack magazine does reload easier. I have a soft spot for single stack nines and own a few, including the the P239. Yet, the new P229 with its E2 grip, is the way to go now in a concealable Sig.

[GJM]

Yet, the new P229 with its E2 grip, is the way to go now in a concealable Sig.

Why do you think the 229E2 is it better than a 228?

[Tamara]

Of course, when it came down to practical concealability, it didn't give me all that much advantage over a P228. It is roughly the same height, and length as the 228, though the 228 is 1.5-2 times as thick, which makes the 239 sound appealing.

I was surprised to see that the sales of the 239 didn't absolutely crater in Q3 of 2004, given its very slim edge in concealability over its double-stack kin.

[TNK]

Why do you think the 229E2 is it better than a 228?


I like the fact there are no grip screws to lose. Also, the E2 grip is a fitter to a wide set of hands.

The long external extractor on the 9mm P229 does not strike me as good looking, but it is in tune with the slides Sig is now producing.

There are new P229 pistols now without the rail. While I agree the P228 is favorite, I will accept a new P229 in 9mm without the rail instead.

[will_1400]

Back when I lived in California, I was taking a hard look at the P239 since I'm a fair shot with a SIG, prefer 9mm to .45 based on the usual reasons of lower ammo cost and lighter recoil, and decided I'd take the 2 round hit to the capacity to get a gun with a smaller profile and not use a neutered double-stack mag. Never quite pulled the trigger on it, though.

[TCinVA]

I've owned one for years. As others have said, it carries like a bigger gun but with limited capacity. The 3913 was/is a way better single stack carry option, IMO. They aren't bad guns in my experience, but they're just too big for what they are given other options in the market. It's about the same size as the P30 which holds more ammo.

[NEPAKevin]

When the P239 was introduced, there was a very limited selection of reliable single stack, compact 9mm pistols. Probably its closest competition was the Walter P-5 which was hard to find and much more expensive. Of the two, I kept the P239 and traded the P-5. I never tried the more affordable S&W single stacks as the Smith autos seemed to have some kind of recall of the month club going and I couldn't keep track of the various model numbers much less where there should be a dot stamped into the frame. I picked up a P239 the first year it came out found it to be a very pleasant gun to shoot and carried it as a BUG or left hand gun for many years until Kahr came out with its much lighter and slimmer line of handguns which for me carry much more comfortably. The P239 and the P-5 are not bad guns but rather ones whose utility has been surpassed by newer technologies which offer more compactness and/or greater ammunition capacity. (as TC apparently wrote while I was taking care of a customer who interrupted me in mid post.... doh!)

[shootist26]

I've owned one for years. As others have said, it carries like a bigger gun but with limited capacity. The 3913 was/is a way better single stack carry option, IMO. They aren't bad guns in my experience, but they're just too big for what they are given other options in the market. It's about the same size as the P30 which holds more ammo.

I like the 3913 a lot, I just don't want to deal with the parts/mags/holster issue for a gun that has not been produced for a long time, especially in a carry gun.

[Tamara]

When the P239 was introduced, there was a very limited selection of reliable single stack, compact 9mm pistols. Probably its closest competition was the Walter P-5 which was hard to find and much more expensive. Of the two, I kept the P239 and traded the P-5. I never tried the more affordable S&W single stacks as the Smith autos seemed to have some kind of recall of the month club going and I couldn't keep track of the various model numbers much less where there should be a dot stamped into the frame.

So, when the P-239 came out, because Smith had had a recall on some of their 3rd Gen autos eight years previously, you went with the SIG? :confused:

;)

[NEPAKevin]

So, when the P-239 came out, because Smith had had a recall on some of their 3rd Gen autos eight years previously, you went with the SIG? :confused:

;)

Yea, well... I'm also emotionally scarred against SPAS-12s. :)

[TCinVA]

I like the 3913 a lot, I just don't want to deal with the parts/mags/holster issue for a gun that has not been produced for a long time, especially in a carry gun.

Sane considerations.

With the single-stack options on the market today the 3913 doesn't make a whole lot of sense, either. It handles better than the modern single stacks, but it's not as concealable.

[Tamara]

Yea, well... I'm also emotionally scarred against SPAS-12s. :)

Well, that's understandable. I never could understand how "It can malfunction in both semiautomatic and manually-operated modes!" was seen as a selling point. :D

[will_1400]

This could be me being naive, but I see the 239 as filling a niche in areas where "evil" double-stack mags aren't allowed. I know the Kahrs and other pistols have surpassed the 239, but it appears to be viable to me in some respects. Of course, I was thinking about plunking down the cash for one (which is a lot of money for an E3...) so I may be biased.

[shootist26]

are the factory mags the best option for this gun?

[Tamara]

are the factory mags the best option for this gun?

Factory or MecGar.

[NEPAKevin]

Well, that's understandable. I never could understand how "It can malfunction in both semiautomatic and manually-operated modes!" was seen as a selling point. :D

I didn't find the possibility of the gun accidentally firing when the safety is rotated to the "off safe" position to be a desirable feature.

[Tamara]

I didn't find the possibility of the gun accidentally firing when the safety is rotated to the "off safe" position to be a desirable feature.

Hey, if it can happen to Remington, it can happen to anybody... :p

[MK11]

The P239 has been my primary carry for over 10 years. It's been extremely reliable and accurate. Reloading hasn't been noticeably slower during pistol classes compared to the larger pistols. It's starting to show it's age, but I've got no complaints.

I've also got a P228 and I have to disagree that the P228 is just as easy to conceal. Hiding a P228 is a process, while the P239 disappears pretty easily under most attire. I also find I shoot the single stacks a little better (including the P220).

The 3913 gets a lot of praise and it's a good gun, but I think the P239 beats it in every way but looks and trigger reset (and I'd rather ride the slide stop on the P239 than monkey around with the slide mounted safety on the Smith). Just to show that I'm not a complete Sig nut-hugger, I'll be dumping the P239 for a S&W Shield once my order finally comes in due to weight and the fact that I shoot the M&P line better than any Sig. But the P239 is a very under-rated piece and one of the few P-models that hasn't fallen victim to the Cohen era.

[Tamara]

...monkey around with the slide mounted safety on the Smith...

You mean that the decocker also functions as a safety? Weird.

;)

[MGW]

The P239 has been my primary carry for over 10 years. It's been extremely reliable and accurate. Reloading hasn't been noticeably slower during pistol classes compared to the larger pistols. It's starting to show it's age, but I've got no complaints.

I've also got a P228 and I have to disagree that the P228 is just as easy to conceal. Hiding a P228 is a process, while the P239 disappears pretty easily under most attire. I also find I shoot the single stacks a little better (including the P220).

The 3913 gets a lot of praise and it's a good gun, but I think the P239 beats it in every way but looks and trigger reset (and I'd rather ride the slide stop on the P239 than monkey around with the slide mounted safety on the Smith). Just to show that I'm not a complete Sig nut-hugger, I'll be dumping the P239 for a S&W Shield once my order finally comes in due to weight and the fact that I shoot the M&P line better than any Sig. But the P239 is a very under-rated piece and one of the few P-models that hasn't fallen victim to the Cohen era.

Have you shot a Shield? I would really like to hear your comparison of it to the P239 if you have.

[MK11]

I have shot a Shield. It's surprisingly snappy, the grip is very thin and I think the P239 is much more comfortable to shoot (but the Shield would be much easier to carry, with basically the same capacity). Haven't had a chance to really try it for accuracy. My full-size M&P 9 is a tack-driver at 25 yards with 147s, fair with 115s and sprayed the only 124 grain load (Winchester PDX) I've tried all over the target. The P239 shoots everything well.

If you do opt for the P239, make sure it has the standard trigger rather than the super-thin short trigger. They may be great on a double stack but on a thin gun like the P239, the short trigger makes it almost unshootable.

[Striker]

The 3913 gets a lot of praise and it's a good gun, but I think the P239 beats it in every way but looks and trigger reset...

I agree. I have a pair of 3913's that have been retired to the safe, after working with 239's (9 & 40). I've installed factory DAO mainsprings and short trigger reset kits on both. DA Trigger pull and reset are much improved. Sig also makes a mag plus kit (+2 in 9mm and +1 in 40) that does not add appreciable bulk.

The 239 conceals way better then my 228 in my preferred Ritchie VSS, and though I've never been a IWB guy, I'm flirting with asking Darkstar for an AWIB rig.

Bottom line I like the 239 and will be getting another in 9mm (Gen 2 SAS) as soon as it comes in the shop.

[shootist26]

Update:

I was able to rent one today and put about 150 rounds through it. Nice shooter and very accurate. Only issue is when using my normal grip my strong hand thumb pretty much sits directly on the slide release, so the slide didn't lock back every time. I 'll have to adjust the grip and keep the strong hand thumb higher

[taadski]

"...I 'll have to adjust the grip and keep the strong hand thumb higher."

I carry a P239 as a backup and have had some issues with the slide locking back also, despite not having the problem with their double stacks. Having been married to the Sig platform for years (b/c of work), I've adopted a "Sig friendly" grip across the board. It involves my strong hand thumb resting on the "root" or base knuckle of the support hand thumb; that is, it's moved "lateral" as opposed to flagged any further "up" if that makes sense. Interestingly enough, for me, the fatty part of my support hand was the culprit with the single stack. In a thumbs forward grip it rides high enough to graze the bottom of the slide lock lever causing the problem. About 5 years ago I ordered a spare lever to experiment with and to try and modify. I'd read about people cutting the entire tab off to remedy the issue but I'm a "lever release" guy and didn't want to go that route. In the end I only removed a 1/16" or so in height (about one "serration") but it fixed the problem for me and left enough lever to still reliably use.

I've chosen to stick with the 239 primarily for "platform commonality" reasons. And while there's no arguing there are smaller lighter pistols to fill such a role these days, I have to say I shoot the 239 darn near as well as I do their full sized counterparts.

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[GJM]

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I carry a P239 as a backup and have had some issues with the slide locking back also, despite not having the problem with their double stacks. Having been married to the Sig platform for years (b/c of work), I've adopted a "Sig friendly" grip across the board.

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I am curious as to your thoughts on the 239 versus the 225 for a small Sig?

[taadski]

I don't have a P225 per se but own a pair of P6s and have shot them pretty extensively. Off the bat, they probably fit my hand a bit better than the 239. I find the grip more rounded and ergonomic. The front strap on the 239 is much more squared (although this can be remedied with aftermarket grips; I have CTCs on mine). I haven't ever experienced the slide lock lever issue with the P6s either but their overall profile is more in line with the P228 than the P239 in all dimensions but width. My reasons for not carrying the model much are two fold: First, the stamped slides rust significantly when exposed to sweat, especially compared to the stainless 239. Second, both of mine are from the range of pistols that have issues feeding hollow points. I realize both of these are fairly easily rectifiable. I just haven't gotten around to sending them off.

Hope that helps.

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[GJM]

Can you elaborate on 225 issues. I have read certain ones don't feed hollow points reliably, and there may be a problem with magazines spreading and causing issues, but I am interested in the detail on this?

[TheNewbie]

I think that the P225 does not suffer from the same issues that the P6 does. While they are close to the same pistol, I think that the feed ramps and trigger pulls are different.

This is just what I have found from reading, as I do not own either pistol.

[taadski]

As I understand it that's correct. Having not gone down that road yet I don't have a great handle on the specifics of the problem, only that the feed ramp was designed for ball ammunition initially and that Sig did a redesign along the line to mitigate the problems it was causing with more modern ammunition. I've read about folks purchasing 225 barrels to fix the matter and there's a gent in Michigan (Customized Creations) who does a re-contour and polish job that has gotten favorable reviews.

The malfunction itself I've experienced is a feedway malfunction where the bottom edge of the round catches on the very bottom edge of the ramp itself before rising into the chamber.

The P6 heavy "trigger" is a simple fix involving replacing the main (hammer) spring with a lighter version. FWIW.

T

[shootist26]

It's too bad I just got my new P239 during this political clusterfuck. I managed to scrounge up a few mags, but they were all ~$40 each. damn... Were pre-hysteria prices better?

Maybe I am just spoiled, but this is the first non-Beretta 92 semiauto I own and I am used to getting m9 mags at $10-15 on the used market. :D

[Cool Breeze]

perhaps I am mistaken, but sig mags have always been around that price - at least the ones I've seen.

[ST911]

It's too bad I just got my new P239 during this political clusterfuck. I managed to scrounge up a few mags, but they were all ~$40 each. damn... Were pre-hysteria prices better?

Even before the hysteria, 239 mags were in short supply already. I had a troop that needed some in 40, and it took a hook-up in NH to shake some loose.

There's a used 9mm 239 in a LGS for a little over a song. I'll likely end up with it for reasons I can't explain or justify, but mags will be a waiting game.

[taadski]

The factory Sig mags have always been fairly pricey. Unfortunately I don't think Mecgar makes 239 (or other single stack Sig) mags. At least I haven't ever seen them. TGS sells the factory 239 mags for $34 when they have em in stock. They'll email you when they get back in stock too if you're still on the hunt.

http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-sauer-p239-magazines/


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[John Ralston]

My issue with the P225 is that it isn't any smaller than a P228/P229. The grip and slide are a tiny bit slimmer, but that's about it - and it's not noticeable when you are carrying it. I let my own P225 go in a trade for that reason. Beautiful piece, but not something I would pick over other options.

[GJM]

My issue with the P225 is that it isn't any smaller than a P228/P229. The grip and slide are a tiny bit slimmer, but that's about it - and it's not noticeable when you are carrying it. I let my own P225 go in a trade for that reason. Beautiful piece, but not something I would pick over other options.

Travel to places with magazine restrictions!

Putting your holster hat on, will a 225 work in a 228/229 holster given the different shape of the 225's trigger guard?

[John Ralston]

Travel to places with magazine restrictions!

Putting your holster hat on, will a 225 work in a 228/229 holster given the different shape of the 225's trigger guard?


Not really...of course the solution to that is to have a dummy for the P225 :cool: The mag restriction didn't really occur to me, since I still live somewhere somewhat sane...and if that changes, Idaho is a 40 mile move ;) I have a P220, along with the P229, so the P225 just never filled a role. And if you are worried about corrosion, I had the slide on my P220 done by CCR (I think that is it - they advertise a lot on Sig Forum) and couldn't be happier.

[GJM]

What did they do to the slide?

I dusted off a 225, a 220 and G19 cut to 26 length mags, for forays into indian country.

[John Ralston]

I had it coated in one of their spray on/bake on finishes. That was a long time ago and it looks like new.

[GJM]

Have you done an SME for a 226 or 228/229 yet?

[John Ralston]

Have you done an SME for a 226 or 228/229 yet?

I will be finishing up a 226 in the next day or two.

[taadski]

I will be finishing up a 226 in the next day or two.


...and its new owner is very, very excited about that fact. :-D

[John Ralston]

...and its new owner is very, very excited about that fact. :-D

Ohhh...it's not for you :p

[taadski]

Drat! I guess that's what I get for ASSuming. ;-) [...filing slowly back into line to wait...]

[John Ralston]

Drat! I guess that's what I get for ASSuming. ;-) [...filing slowly back into line to wait...]

It actually is yours...I just like f'n with people :cool:

[taadski]

:p

I suppose I deserved that. :)

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[shootist26]

Here's a little update:

I have over 1000 rds through it with no reliability issues. It is accurate and conceals well. I think it still makes a good choice for carry especially in a capacity restricted state. Some may complain about the size for only 9 rds, I personally like that a 9 rd gun is so shootable unlike some of those subcompact/micro guns out there. The only mod I have made is a set of Hackathorn sights (proglo orange front with tritium insert, plain black rear). Overall, I like it a lot...the only thing is working through its ergonomic quirks.

Notes:
1) I did notice that partially depressing the decocker when firing could result in light strikes. This is apparently caused by your support hand grip. This occured to me on one occasion at the range, where I got maybe 10 light strikes out of a box of 50 rounds. Very peculiar, and I was unable to replicate this issue during any future range sessions (unless doing it deliberately). Since then, I have shot several hundred more rounds with zero issues.

2) I have to change my grip to avoid bumping the slide release. Kyle Defoor has a good picture of the grip on his website and that's what I'm using now.

3) Reloads are a bit slower. The grip panels actually extend past the magwell. It makes it more difficult to just slide in a mag and seat it. I've gotten pinched on many occasions. Slide release is also all the way to the rear and is harder to reach.

4) Mags are hard to find right now, but doable if you are patient and lucky. I managed to get eight 8rd mags for $30-40 each, and four 10rd mags for $45 each. The 10rd mags are apparently no longer being produced, and command ridiculous prices on ebay/gunbroker.

[ToddG]

The P239 is a reliable little gun.

Unless you put 10rd 9mm magazines in it, at which point it tends to become far less reliable. I would flip those 10rd mags right back for some ridiculous money and invest in all 8-rounders. YMMV.

[shootist26]

The P239 is a reliable little gun.

Unless you put 10rd 9mm magazines in it, at which point it tends to become far less reliable. I would flip those 10rd mags right back for some ridiculous money and invest in all 8-rounders. YMMV.

huh, interesting. Is there a specific root cause identified with the 10rd mags?

I got them to shoot games and for range use. My carry mags are still 8 rounders

[BoppaBear]

P239 is a great gun IME. It was my first foray into higher-end production guns years ago, my first CCW, and a pistol I ran in several courses without any issues. I still have it and recommend it to people, but it's no longer a carry gun for me.

All this said, I ended up scrapping the 10 rd mag for a bunch of 8 rounders (don't recall how many I have...been a while since I've shot it). I just didn't like the feel of the 10 rounders, so I didn't shoot them enough to experience any issues. I was always the guy that got the opportunity to practice my reloads in classes dominated by Glocks, etc., at the time.

[Symmetry]

I really like the P239 in .40S&W. It's hard to make a reliable and durable .40 or .357 in a subcompact, but compared to other options on the market of the same size the P239 really tames the recoil. Particularly with a set of Hogue wrap-around grips on there which definately helps with grip support at longer ranges. I've found that the P239 compliments my duty P220 very well.

[taadski]

huh, interesting. Is there a specific root cause identified with the 10rd mags?

I got them to shoot games and for range use. My carry mags are still 8 rounders


I was gonna ask the same question. Mine has run fine on the couple of 10 rounders I have for it.


Also, TGS has an email notification function when products come back in stock. The 9mm 239 mags do seem to come and go fairly quickly. Here's a link if anybody is still looking:

http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig_p239-9mm-8rd-magazine.html


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[ToddG]

My personal experience with the 10rd 9mm P239 magazines is nil.

A very large foreign LE agency tested the P239 with 10rd mags and had so many problems it booted SIG from further testing.

A number of the LE sales reps I worked with at SIG carried the P239 and so many of them had personally experienced problems with the 10rd 9mm magazines that it was unofficially removed from the LE product offerings. It was pretty much an article of faith that the 10rd magazines were substantially less reliable, especially when put under stress beyond normal clean/dry range practice.

[taadski]

Thanks for the info. I'll keep a closer eye on them.


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[Puppage]

I love mine. Never any issues....ever

[pat701]

Love mine in 9mm 2000rds no problems, i like DA/SA pistols. This is my first post;)

[FotoTomas]

The 239 is an option for my agency for concealed carry. Only one criminal investigator uses it as his duty weapon in plain clothes. I was told it was originally considerd as an option for smaller hands and uniform use but due to holster restrictions was not authorized for uniform wear. The 229 is still the only option in the SIG line for uniform carry with us. As an armorer and instructor I found the 239 to be a good shooter and carry piece but not superior in any way to the 229 with the one exception of the slightly thinner grip. Alas that is not a good enough reason for my bosses to authorize it for those in uniform that complain about the grip of our Beretta 92D Centurions or SIG 229s.

[DonW]

afaik, the only magazines made for the 239 are made in italy / mec-gar.

[walkin' trails]

I never cared for the grip shape or thought it to be in any way superior to the old P225. I don't think it is any easy pistol to shoot, especially in 40 or 357 compared to other small packages. That is not to day that some shooters do appreciate them and shhot them well.

[shootist26]

I just picked up a second P239. I noticed it says the frame is made in Germany and the slide is made in NH. What's this? a gun from the transitional time period? any issues to know about?

[gtmtnbiker98]

I just picked up a second P239. I noticed it says the frame is made in Germany and the slide is made in NH. What's this? a gun from the transitional time period? any issues to know about?
What transitional time period? Prior to most frames being manufactured in Exeter, almost all the SIG frames were imported from Germany. Hardly what I'd consider a transition period.

[shootist26]

What transitional time period? Prior to most frames being manufactured in Exeter, almost all the SIG frames were imported from Germany. Hardly what I'd consider a transition period.

that's what i meant. The period when sig was importing frames from germany and doing their own slides in NH, before bringing everything into NH.

[Rich]

This! Also, it feels just as heavy as a p228/9 when worn on a belt - I think any of the popular polymer favorites are much better options. They are lighter, thinner, and carry more rounds.

Really can tell much difference between my polymer P30S and Gen 1 P229

Other than the P229 doesn't print when I carry at 3:00 unlike my P30S

The weight difference isn't all that much . My Gen 1 229 is 29oz. I don't know what the P30S is.

Really I prefer shooting a heavier handgun as oppose to a lighter one.


I even have a friend who has weights for is handgun.

[TumblinDown]

I just picked up a second P239. I noticed it says the frame is made in Germany and the slide is made in NH. What's this? a gun from the transitional time period? any issues to know about?

You might check the serial number against the list here (http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/7320040262). Perhaps you'll get some clues.

I just picked up a P239 a short time ago, since I already had a P226 and wanted to stick with a DA/SA trigger. I have Hogue grips, which helped alleviate the 'blockiness' of the grip. The trigger reach is still a bit short for me, but it's hard to argue with how soft it shoots. It conceals well. No complaints from me!

[Up1911Fan]

Since i've been shooting a P226 a lot lately and am considering carrying it, somehow I ended up with a 9mm P239 on the way.

[GJM]

CT grips for the 239 work great as a laser, and improve the grip feel of the 239 in my opinion.

[Up1911Fan]

Was thinking about adding CT's to it. I'm loving the E2's on my P226 though.

[jholen]

As to my experience carrying it (AIWB), it was nice and due to the dehorned slide/frame was pretty comfortable. I enjoyed it, just moving on with other options.

[psalms144.1]

When my agency was "Sig Only," for personally owned weapons, I had several 9mm P239s for "off duty" use. When we transitioned to Sigs in .40 with DAK triggers as issued, I initially opted for a P239, since I had no interest in carrying either of the issued options as a primary. These are my thoughts/observations:

1. Size/Weight - as previously noted, the P239 really offers almost no advantage to overall concealability over the larger P228/9, while offering dramatically lowered capacity. A Kahr PM9 is dramatically smaller and lighter, while losing only one round to the P239 (using extended magazine)

2. Accuracy - typical Sig, more than adequate - though the grip profile and general "balance" of the P239 made it harder to shoot well at speed compared to the P228/9

3. Reliability - our initial batch of P239 DAK 40s were plagued with issues that the factory had a hard time figuring out, but they eventually got them working well (or replaced the ones which didn't run). I never had a problem with my 9mm

4. General - I've never found the Nitron finish to be very robust, or rust resistant. My Sigs rusts faster and more aggressively than any other pistols I've ever owned. The slide release lever placement on the P239 is very difficult to avoid without accidental activation if you use an aggressive "thumbs forward" grip. I've had NUMEROUS shooters with the P239 who frequently end up with slides forward over empty chambers/mags because of this.

All in all, I wouldn't turn down a P239 if someone gave it to me for free, but I wouldn't spend MY money on one...

Regards,

Kevin

[Up1911Fan]

Picked this up yesterday.

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[breakingtime91]

how much did that run you? I'm trying to make a decision between a p2000sk or a p239 sas gen 2

[SigShooter]

I know that this is an ancient thread.

Too many years ago to remember, I bought a Sig P229 in .40 S&W. At the time of purchase, the .40 S&W was the largest cartridge we could use. Since I'm a momentum dude, I went with a .40 S&W. Some years later, that agency that cut my paycheck standardized with H&K .45 ACP +P.

My attention was captured by the Sig P229 because it was engineered to fire the .40 S&W. It was not a converted 9MM handgun. It was born to fire heavy .40 S&W rounds. I have never fired a round weighing less than 180 grains out of my P229. For me, it's all about penetration.

The Sig P229 was my favorite duty handgun. It was flawless as a duty weapon (I've experienced at least 2 catastrophic revolver failures and know of others.) I have no clue of the number of rounds I've fired through my P229. It has been 100% flawless.

I also own a P239 .40 S&W, which is marginally smaller. Weapon muscle memory weapon transfers from P229 to P239 since the latter is a scaled down version of the former. Like its big brother, my P239 has been flawless.

The reality is I could carry either concealed, but the P239 does offer a small advantage.

Like cartridges, handgun selection is mostly preference. My advice is to buy and use what works best for everyone.

[MattyD380]

Ancient or not, I'm always down to talk about P239s.

The conversation on the P239 usually centers on size and capacity. Is it vastly smaller than a P229? Not vastly. Does take a considerable hit in the capacity department? Yeah.

But to me, the thing that stands out with the P239, is how well the gun shoots... regardless of size or any other consideration. I can generally get better groups at 10 - 15 yards with my P239 than my P226. Granted, that's probably more a function of the P239 fitting me better than any mechanical shortcomings of the P226... but... the fact that the P239 is simply an awesome shooter should not be overlooked. And it often is, I think, because the size/weight/capacity issue overshadows the true merits of the gun. It's a gun that gives you superior shootability and performance in a package that's fairly easy and comfortable to carry.

[KyNate]

I want to learn a little bit more about this gun. Any noted issues with reliability, accuracy, quality control, and parts/mag availability?

I cannot highly recommend this books enough its a awesome books on SIG pistols. Theres a whole chapter on the P239.
https://www.amazon.com/Digest-Book-SIG-Sauer-Massad-Ayoob/dp/1440239142

[LockedBreech]

I have long, long wanted a P239 SAS in 9mm, but there's no way in hell I'll pay $900 for a pistol that is basically a fun lark, same issue with the P225A1 in stainless with wood grips.

Like a zombie, I will tirelessly stalk sales and used listings until I see one that meets what I want. I didn't mind paying $875 for my P220R, it's a beautiful and functional gun, but...I'd prefer not to spend new-Sig money again if I can.

[taadski]

There's a NIB 239 SAS in the classifieds for $450 right now. (Not affiliated). It's a DAK but it's a pretty straightforward conversion and one can typically make up the cost of parts (and some) by selling off the DAK kit if you so chose.


Fwiw.

[M2CattleCo]

I carried one in 9mm for about 8 years. Absolutely no problems with the several I owned. They are roughly the same size as a 229, just a tad thinner in the grip. I'm transitioning to a P2000 now and I don't notice any concealabity difference. The P2000 has more to hang on to.

[LockedBreech]

Woah, woah...are you telling me you can switch a DAK Sig back to DA/SA?

[taadski]

Woah, woah...are you telling me you can switch a DAK Sig back to DA/SA?

Yep. It's about $150 +/- worth of parts and about 20 minutes of installation time if you have some basic familiarity. And there are a slew of DAK fans around and about (Sig Forum, etc.) that'll scap up the conversion parts. I've sold several "DAK conversion kits" over there from guns I've converted over. You can come out pretty close to even usually.

[LockedBreech]

Yep. It's about $150 +/- worth of parts and about 20 minutes of installation time if you have some basic familiarity. And there are a slew of DAK fans around and about (Sig Forum, etc.) that'll scap up the conversion parts. I've sold several "DAK conversion kits" over there from guns I've converted over. You can come out pretty close to even usually.

...​dude

[ca survivor]

my most carried Sig is a 239 in .40 might be heavy for its capacity, but it is a compact gun that its reliable and accurate and shoots like the big brothers, the grip is a love or hate affair for most shooters though.

[LockedBreech]

Woah, woah...are you telling me you can switch a DAK Sig back to DA/SA?

Welp, I found a very-good condition DAK with police agency markings for dirty cheap, so there goes the 2017 no-gun-buy thing. Gonna try and do me a back-to-DA/SA project later this year.

[Sero Sed Serio]

I shoot the P226 and P229 noticeably better than any of my other pistols, but I'm fairly underwhelmed with my P239 so far. Mine is a 1996 gun that was unfired, but appears to have been used for dry fire. I replaced the thin trigger with a standard one, and put in a new recoil spring.

For me it seems as sensitive to trigger finger placement as a Glock, and I found myself pulling shots to the left. I also had issues with riding the slide stop lever, something that rarely happens with the double-stack guns. At one point I had depressed it just far enough that it barely engaged, and when I removed the magazine that disturbance was enough to allow the slide to slam forward.

I had one malfunction, a failure to eject that occurred at I believe round 176, on the last round of the magazine. I was expecting slide lock anyway so I didn't immediately perform a malfunction drill, but as the gun recoiled I could actually feel the slide short-stroke. Ammo was Speer Lawman 147 gr. FMJ.

On the plus side, the gun is very concealable, and pretty soft-shooting for a smaller pistol. It just takes a lot more concentration for me to get accurate hits than it does with the double-stack SIGs.

[Tabasco]

I shoot the P226 and P229 noticeably better than any of my other pistols, but I'm fairly underwhelmed with my P239 so far. Mine is a 1996 gun that was unfired, but appears to have been used for dry fire. I replaced the thin trigger with a standard one, and put in a new recoil spring.

For me it seems as sensitive to trigger finger placement as a Glock, and I found myself pulling shots to the left. I also had issues with riding the slide stop lever, something that rarely happens with the double-stack guns. At one point I had depressed it just far enough that it barely engaged, and when I removed the magazine that disturbance was enough to allow the slide to slam forward.

I had one malfunction, a failure to eject that occurred at I believe round 176, on the last round of the magazine. I was expecting slide lock anyway so I didn't immediately perform a malfunction drill, but as the gun recoiled I could actually feel the slide short-stroke. Ammo was Speer Lawman 147 gr. FMJ.

On the plus side, the gun is very concealable, and pretty soft-shooting for a smaller pistol. It just takes a lot more concentration for me to get accurate hits than it does with the double-stack SIGs.

I found adding Hogue G10 grips made a huge difference for the better. They are a bit thicker, and it makes it feel and more like my 229. I have problems with thin grips in general.

[MattyD380]

I shoot the P226 and P229 noticeably better than any of my other pistols, but I'm fairly underwhelmed with my P239 so far. Mine is a 1996 gun that was unfired, but appears to have been used for dry fire. I replaced the thin trigger with a standard one, and put in a new recoil spring.

For me it seems as sensitive to trigger finger placement as a Glock, and I found myself pulling shots to the left. I also had issues with riding the slide stop lever, something that rarely happens with the double-stack guns. At one point I had depressed it just far enough that it barely engaged, and when I removed the magazine that disturbance was enough to allow the slide to slam forward.

I had one malfunction, a failure to eject that occurred at I believe round 176, on the last round of the magazine. I was expecting slide lock anyway so I didn't immediately perform a malfunction drill, but as the gun recoiled I could actually feel the slide short-stroke. Ammo was Speer Lawman 147 gr. FMJ.

On the plus side, the gun is very concealable, and pretty soft-shooting for a smaller pistol. It just takes a lot more concentration for me to get accurate hits than it does with the double-stack SIGs.

Handguns are so subjective. Personally, the P239 has always been one of my best shooting Sigs. Strangely, I pull shots left with my P226--P239 puts them right in the bullseye. All day every day. I've had a P228, a P225/P6 and I shoot my P239 better than all of them.

I think a lot of it has to do with hand size/grip size. I have small hands, so I can get a lot of hand around the P239, and a lot of finger on the trigger. Helps me control the shots. I will say I do have Nill grips on mine... which feel just about perfect for me. Though I still shot the gun very well with the stock grips.

Only malf I ever had with a P239 was a FTE with 115gr reman right after putting a brand new recoil spring in. No surprises there. That was also a 1996 model (first year, for the 239 I think). I currently have a 2006 model (SBU serial) which has been flawless.

[FrankinCA]

P239 fan here. I have two: one when they first became available and the other purchased in 2014. Shoots like a larger pistol and conceals well.

[Flintsky]

I just realized that this thread started in 2012.....

I've been using classic Sigs since the early 2000s when I starting working for an agency that uses them exclusively. I went through and carried literally every model we are allowed to use in .380, 9mm, .40, and .45. I am skilled in all of them, but ultimately I settled on the P226 9mm and P239 9mm. The combo compliments one another very well, and I can shoot the P239 just as well as I can shoot the P226. The P239 is unique in that it has big gun features, handles like a big gun, but retains small gun size. If you are a dedicated Sig shooter, then you have already modified your grip to keep from riding the slide release lever. The P239 is a little easier to trip due to the tendency to ride the gun higher with its short grip, and the thin grip makes it easier bring your thumbs around further. I know some guys who have trimmed up their slide release lever to keep from tripping it, but I never needed to do this.

[MattyD380]

P239 fan here. I have two: one when they first became available and the other purchased in 2014. Shoots like a larger pistol and conceals well.

Just curious--do you notice any subjective differences in feel or quality between the two?

[MGW]

Just curious--do you notice any subjective differences in feel or quality between the two?

I know you didn't ask me but I use to own and early 239 and still own a fairly recent build 239. I didn't notice a lot of difference in the two. The newer one is more accurate and POI is to the sights. The older one had a higher, but unknown, round count. Accuracy was not bad just not as good as the newer one. It impacted several inches low at 15 yards. Tried different Sig 8/8 sights and it was still low. Both had SRT's installed and the triggers were very nice.

The only real difference I was able to find it the newer 239 is slightly thicker over all. It fits a little tighter in my JM Custom holster.

[MattyD380]

I know you didn't ask me but I use to own and early 239 and still own a fairly recent build 239. I didn't notice a lot of difference in the two. The newer one is more accurate and POI is to the sights. The older one had a higher, but unknown, round count. Accuracy was not bad just not as good as the newer one. It impacted several inches low at 15 yards. Tried different Sig 8/8 sights and it was still low. Both had SRT's installed and the triggers were very nice.

The only real difference I was able to find it the newer 239 is slightly thicker over all. It fits a little tighter in my JM Custom holster.

That's interesting that you mention the newer one being thicker. I noticed that as well. I had a 96 and I currently have a 2006 (ballpark)--the 2006 struck me as being thicker, but I figured it was just because it had been a while since I'd seen a P239. Guess not.

One thing about my early one... the frame/slide fit was super tight. So tight, that the bottom of the locking insert was peening the feed ramp every time I reassembled the gun. I never had a failure because of that, and the gun shot great. But that's why I ultimately sold it.

I found the 2006 model on a lark in a gun shop. Checked for the same issue, didn't notice it. Bought it on the spot. Overall, the slide/frame fit is looser on the 2006... but I think that's preferable to being super tight. And I'd say the newer might be slightly more accurate.

[FrankinCA]

Just curious--do you notice any subjective differences in feel or quality between the two?

Hi Matty, no real difference. The new one does rattle a little and my older Sig has a smoother trigger, but that's due to dry firing. Function, reliability, POA is the same.

[LockedBreech]

Welp, I found a very-good condition DAK with police agency markings for dirty cheap, so there goes the 2017 no-gun-buy thing. Gonna try and do me a back-to-DA/SA project later this year.

So I got my P229R DAK today. I cannot recommend Recoil Gun Works highly enough (I have no relationship with them). I paid $439 for a nearly new condition P229 with Trijicon HD night sights and an absolutely awesome police slide marking.

I am posting this because I want to talk about the DAK trigger. After all my reading over the years and based on the market price of DAK pistols, I assumed it was going to be the worst trigger ever, and..it's not. At all. It feels exactly like a revolver trigger. You just have to let it cycle fully instead of trying to reset it. What am I missing?

[Sero Sed Serio]

I am posting this because I want to talk about the DAK trigger. After all my reading over the years and based on the market price of DAK pistols, I assumed it was going to be the worst trigger ever, and..it's not. At all. It feels exactly like a revolver trigger. You just have to let it cycle fully instead of trying to reset it. What am I missing?

You're not missing anything. The DAK has very distinct advantages and disadvantages: it is a great trigger for people management (far better than the LEM IMO due to the lack of a wall at the end), one-handed shooting, and shooting a DA-type pistol at long distances. It absolutely sucks at shooting fast splits. I think this issue is somewhat mitigated in the 40/357 guns because, while the trigger is a bit slower to reset, it also spends a little more time in recoil.

I'm very happy with my P226 357 DAK, and will be picking up a 9mm version as well.

[ca survivor]

Factory or MecGar.

MecGar is the magazine maker for, Sig, H&K, Beretta and may more that I can't think of.

[Sero Sed Serio]

MecGar is the magazine maker for, Sig, H&K, Beretta and may more that I can't think of.

Depends on the era, and I believe the gun. Previously SIGs were shipped with Mec Gar mags from the factory, but current P226s and P229s, at least, are shipping with mags marked "made in the USA," which I believe are manufactured by Checkmate. There seems to have been some flip-flop over the years, and blue label guns may still use Mec Gar (my 2014 P229 legacy did). However, I believe that current P320 mags are made by Mec Gar, and are marked "made in Italy."

Mec Gar currently sells Mec Gar-marked mags for the P-series guns which hold more rounds than the original mags (i.e. 15 round P228 mags, 18 round P226 mags, etc.) These are available in a glossy blued finish or a glossy nickel finish.

There have also been runs of phosphate finish Mec Gar made "OEM" mags with the "original" capacity (i.e. 13 rounds for the P228 and 15 for the P226). These mags do not say "Mec Gar" but do say "made in Italy." I'm not sure if this is going to be a long-term thing or not, but when they do come up, they tend to be very well priced. The 40/357 mags I have for my 357 P226 and P229 had RIDICULOUSLY stiff springs--the first time I could barely get 8 or 9 rounds into the 12 round mags, and it took several range trips before I could get them to my standard downloaded by one capacity of 11 rounds.

My personal preference for SIG mags are the mid-2000s era Mec Gar mags with the one-piece tubes (as opposed to the zipperback mags), "original" capacity, and the glossy black finish. I have run these mags hard in my P229 and to a lesser extent my P226 including a lot of drops onto hard desert ground and into fine dust, and they just flat run. They are also much easier to clean than the phosphate finish mags because the rougher phosphate finish tends to hold onto dust/lint/debris, and the slippery finish allows them to pop out of the magwell faster.

To be fair I haven't had issues with other SIG mags, but I don't have nearly the experience with them.

[ca survivor]

good to know, so the ones Made in America vs. Made in Italy are made by Checkmate, I have used checkmate for the 1911s before and was OK, but I like the Wilson better for the 1911s don't think I have any Checkmate for the Sigs, have to check :D

[M2CattleCo]

I don't think Check-Mate has made any 239 mags. All I've seen are German and Italian for those.

The Check-Mate 226 mags are ok mags. The base plates are really good but the springs are junk. Wolff +10% springs are mandatory in any CM 226 or M9 mag.

[MGW]

I'm looking for leather AIWB holster options for 239's. Anyone have experience with one?

I have a JM Custom George and it's just not working for me. The grip prints and I can't find a comfortable carry spot for it. JM's holster work really well for everything else but not this one. Ditto with a Fist ultra thin kydex and cheap leather Mr Softy.

I'm ready to give a quality leather holster a try.

[RND]

I'm looking for leather AIWB holster options for 239's. Anyone have experience with one?

I have a JM Custom George and it's just not working for me. The grip prints and I can't find a comfortable carry spot for it. JM's holster work really well for everything else but not this one. Ditto with a Fist ultra thin kydex and cheap leather Mr Softy.

I'm ready to give a quality leather holster a try.
VEDDER light tuck

[MGW]

VEDDER light tuck

Doesn't look anything like what I described.

[taadski]

Short list...

5 shot leather SME,
Garrity Invictus,
JRC Watson Special or CDA-II

[MattyD380]

I'm looking for leather AIWB holster options for 239's. Anyone have experience with one?

I have a JM Custom George and it's just not working for me. The grip prints and I can't find a comfortable carry spot for it. JM's holster work really well for everything else but not this one. Ditto with a Fist ultra thin kydex and cheap leather Mr Softy.

I'm ready to give a quality leather holster a try.

I have JR Custom Leather CDA II AIWB for my P239.

Long story short: it works.

-It really does tuck the grip into the body. Zero grip printing. I was a little worried about that--because you hear how well the JMCKs tuck--but seriously, no issue here.

-The grip tuck does turn the grip so it's in contact with my body. It's not bad. But with no cover garment between skin the grip, I do notice after a while. Also, with the stock grips it's less of a concern. But I have checkered wood grips on mine, so I do feel it after a while.

-The CDA does print some at the beltline. Which isn't as conspicuous as grip printing... but... the leather is pretty thickly reinforced, so it does "augment" the contour of my beltline.

-It doesn't completely alleviate "gut gouge" when sitting. It's not bad... and if you loosen your belt, it's fine. But no real advantage over others. I also kind of wish it could be adjusted to ride a bit lower.

-Also... it is really nice. Very well made. Very high quality. Jim does great work. And he's also a very nice guy to deal with.

Prior to getting the CDA, I was just using a cheapo Blackhawk neoprene thing. Honestly, it work(s)ed pretty well. I don't really find I gain a lot of comfort with the CDA (caveat: for me, standing/walking is never an issue with any kind of holster; sitting down is the real challenge). But it obviously is more secure and allows a better draw. Also, like I said, there is zero grip printing; I get a tiny bit with the Blackhawk, not probably not enough to notice.

So... it's a solid option. I wear it if I'm going to be carrying for a more extended period of time. If I'm just running to the store, etc... I usually just do the Blackhawk.

On that note... have you tried a Blackhawk/Uncle Mike's type holster? You might be surprised...

[Jeep]

The Check-Mate 226 mags are ok mags. The base plates are really good but the springs are junk. Wolff +10% springs are mandatory in any CM 226 or M9 mag.

I've had a lot of luck with Check Mate Beretta 92 mags, at least for practice. I've found them to be cheap and reliable.