Lipsey’s S&W boo lock 629 and 686 Mountain Guns

[MolonLabe416]

https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/model-629-mountain-gun

https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/model-686-plus-mountain-gun

Question for JEC: Why the odd 4.13” barrel length?

Thanks for working to bring these to market. Awesome news.

[HCM]

https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/model-629-mountain-gun

https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/model-686-plus-mountain-gun

Question for JEC: Why the odd 4.13” barrel length?

Thanks for working to bring these to market. Awesome news.

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[Boxy]

S&W would sell more revolvers if they ditched the damned lock.

[oregon45]

Really looking forward to a no-lock 625 45 ACP Mountain Gun--provided it uses the older cylinder dimensions allowing for the use of .45 Auto-Rim brass.

[Stephanie B]

S&W would sell more revolvers if they ditched the damned lock.

Word on the Blue Forum is that's in the works.

[Trooper224]

I miss my old Mountain Gun. I strongly wish I'd never sold it. But, those prices are stupid.

[41magfan]

Not to sound like a Debbie Downer, but my personal reservations about ever owning a late model S&W (again) goes much deeper than that lock.

[SwampDweller]

I miss my old Mountain Gun. I strongly wish I'd never sold it. But, those prices are stupid.

$1200 today was about $3500 in 1985. Considering inflation and the price of manufacturing these days, I’d say it’s solidly about right. Unfortunate, but true.

[Trooper224]

$1200 today was about $3500 in 1985. Considering inflation and the price of manufacturing these days, I’d say it’s solidly about right. Unfortunate, but true.

Regardless of irrelevant market forces, I wouldn't have paid it in 1985 either.

[CLaw]

Did you mean to say that $1200 in 1985 would be $3500 today? I just did a quick Google. Taking into account Consumer Price Index (CPI), $1200 today would be approximately $403.50 in 1985. I'm not sure what the cost of these guns was in 1985.


$1200 today was about $3500 in 1985. Considering inflation and the price of manufacturing these days, I’d say it’s solidly about right. Unfortunate, but true.

[Stephanie B]

Did you mean to say that $1200 in 1985 would be $3500 today? I just did a quick Google. Taking into account Consumer Price Index (CPI), $1200 today would be approximately $403.50 in 1985. I'm not sure what the cost of these guns was in 1985.

I paid $400 for a 6" Model 29 in 1982. So when I think about that, the cost of of these guns isn't too far out of line.

[BobM]

Did you mean to say that $1200 in 1985 would be $3500 today? I just did a quick Google. Taking into account Consumer Price Index (CPI), $1200 today would be approximately $403.50 in 1985. I'm not sure what the cost of these guns was in 1985.

I bought a 5” 629 Classic around 1993 that was around $450, I think that model is about $1100 today

[john c]

I bought a 5” 629 Classic around 1993 that was around $450, I think that model is about $1100 today

The US Inflation Calculation at https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ shows that $450 in 1993 is $976.89 in 2024. The current MSRP of the 629 classic is $1159, but street prices are closer to $999. So the prices seem reasonable.

[john c]

I paid $400 for a 6" Model 29 in 1982. So when I think about that, the cost of of these guns isn't too far out of line.

$400 in 1982 would be $1300 in 2024. The current Model 29 Classic 6.5 inch MSRP is $1379. You got a pretty good deal. :D

[SwampDweller]

Did you mean to say that $1200 in 1985 would be $3500 today? I just did a quick Google. Taking into account Consumer Price Index (CPI), $1200 today would be approximately $403.50 in 1985. I'm not sure what the cost of these guns was in 1985.

Yes. The order of my words didn’t come out how I had them in my head.

My point was just that when taking inflation into account, current prices for these new Smiths isn’t terribly out of line with historical prices even from the “good old days”, and inflation is far from an irrelevant market force when discussing if something is overpriced or not.

[PTSDog]

Takes to my FFL yesterday about the Mountain Guns. They are on “allocation” she said, but my price would be $1179 OTD (good to have family that owns a fun shop!)

If I was a level headed guy, I would keep my GP100s and Redhawk and just walk away. But damn I want one of those Mt Guns in 357!!!

Jerry

[Bucky]

Question for JEC: Why the odd 4.13” barrel length?
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Canada has a minimum barrel length of 105mm, which is roughly 4.13”. I’m going to guess it’s to allow for that market.

Colt did the same thing when they reintroduced the Python.

[Stephanie B]

Canada has a minimum barrel length of 105mm, which is roughly 4.13”. I’m going to guess it’s to allow for that market.

Colt did the same thing when they reintroduced the Python.

Didn't Canada bar new guns?

[Hambo]

I paid $320-350 for a new 686 in the mid 1980s. My first 92F was $600 in 1988.

My main problem with Lipsey's is that I don't have enough cash to keep up with what I want from them.

[okie john]

My main problem with Lipsey's is that I don't have enough cash to keep up with what I want from them.

128619

I'm just glad they haven't gone any deeper on long guns.


Okie John

[awp_101]

My main problem with Lipsey's is that I don't have enough cash to keep up with what I want from them.

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[mmc45414]

I paid $400 for a 6" Model 29 in 1982.
I probably did too, and that was probably what I was making a week...


If I was a level headed guy, I would keep my GP100s and Redhawk and just walk away. But damn I want one of those Mt Guns in 357!!!
Yeah, I have a 3in 686+ that I sorta had all made up in my mind to be my primary large 357 revolver, but that svelte MG barrel is calling me...


Didn't Canada bar new guns?
Well, the guy that did that just quit, so maybe S&W hedging their bets.

[Bigghoss]

I wouldn't mind one of those 686s. Here's hoping they do a 625 in .45acp.

[CLaw]

My local dealer who is listed as a Lipsey's dealer still tell me that they can't get a UC in... So, does anyone have a recommendation on the most reliable online source for Lipsey's guns that will ship to FFL? I'm a bit nervous about getting a new revolver sight unseen, but I've decided I'm going to order one of these 686 Mountain guns.

[MountainRaven]

My local dealer who is listed as a Lipsey's dealer still tell me that they can't get a UC in... So, does anyone have a recommendation on the most reliable online source for Lipsey's guns that will ship to FFL? I'm a bit nervous about getting a new revolver sight unseen, but I've decided I'm going to order one of these 686 Mountain guns.

That's weird, since Lipsey's has all of last year's UC guns in stock, in quantity.

[CLaw]

That's weird, since Lipsey's has all of last year's UC guns in stock, in quantity.

Yes, and they are listed dealers on the Lipsey website. It's like they don't want my money...

[WDR]

Yes, and they are listed dealers on the Lipsey website. It's like they don't want my money...

I'd press them a bit, and maybe find another shop to deal with if they give you the run around again.

Speaking of in stock... Has anyone seen either the .44 or .357 MG's in stock anywhere yet? I'm already saving pennies... but have not seen any actually available yet.

[Wood]

I'd press them a bit, and maybe find another shop to deal with if they give you the run around again.

Speaking of in stock... Has anyone seen either the .44 or .357 MG's in stock anywhere yet? I'm already saving pennies... but have not seen any actually available yet.

I would simply move on to another store if possible. Unless you just want to turn the screws on them, that's fair enough imo.

I think I did see one of the models in stock at battlehawk armory while SHOT was still going on, but it's gone. they have both guns listed; priced very close to msrp.

[awp_101]

https://youtu.be/M9lVkfMqp60?si=a_I8NtAX2gsUqDwu

AFR uploaded this today for YT gen pop

[03RN]

https://youtu.be/M9lVkfMqp60?si=a_I8NtAX2gsUqDwu

AFR uploaded this today for YT gen pop

Just watched this. While my mountain gun had a plugged hole in it, it sure looks like DBs gun.

[fatdog]

Question for JEC: Why the odd 4.13” barrel length?


Not JEC but S&W has made the barrel switch on all their previously 4" revolvers for several years to make them Canada legal by a few mm.

[Stephanie B]

Just watched this. While my mountain gun had a plugged hole in it, it sure looks like DBs gun.

I wonder if the IL guns are going to be discounted. Or sold with them plugged.

[jandbj]

When they get to fire sale pricing the old stock IL guns, I’ll bet they all end up at CDNN.

[SwampDweller]

When they get to fire sale pricing the old stock IL guns, I’ll bet they all end up at CDNN.

It’d have to be a pretty ridiculous blowout price for me to consider one, and it would only be for a trainer. I’m one of those ones that won’t trust lock-equipped Smiths due to it potentially engaging while firing. While it seems extremely rare, I’ve heard enough reports that I consider credible to make me stay away. I’m the kind of guy whose luck with guns malfunctioning would ensure it would happen to me at the worst possible moment.

[Stephanie B]

When they get to fire sale pricing the old stock IL guns, I’ll bet they all end up at CDNN.

If I was in management at S&W, I'd push to license the lock delete kit.

[Zeke38]

I've a Model 69 44Mag and a 642. Ran them both with locks, no problems. Did put the lock delete kit from Original Precision in both, I soldier on without any problems.:cool::cool:

[jtcarm]

I wouldn't mind one of those 686s. Here's hoping they do a 625 in .45acp.

Mountain.

[CLaw]

I have a 27 with a lock that is a decent gun. But, do I sell it now before they come out with a no lock variant? Leave it? Or, lock delete... Decisions...:(

[MolonLabe416]

I have a 27 with a lock that is a decent gun. But, do I sell it now before they come out with a no lock variant? Leave it? Or, lock delete... Decisions...:(

If it’s a good one, lock delete.

[awp_101]

If it’s a good one, lock delete.

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[MountainRaven]

So while we're waiting for Federal to bring the HSTs to market, what do we like for 44 Special or 44 Magnum for defense against the two-legged variety of predators?

[SwampDweller]

So while we're waiting for Federal to bring the HSTs to market, what do we like for 44 Special or 44 Magnum for defense against the two-legged variety of predators?

From what I gathered, the CCI Blazer .44 Special aluminum case load, which is topped with a 200gr Gold Dot bullet, seems to be main choice that sticks out to me. I too am interested in this question.

I usually stay away from aluminum case ammunition, but that’s always been for semi autos. I suppose for a revolver that doesn’t have to self-extract/eject, it doesn’t matter.

[Rex G]

I have a 27 with a lock that is a decent gun. But, do I sell it now before they come out with a no lock variant? Leave it? Or, lock delete... Decisions...:(

“Decent” gun, that is on-hand? Keep it! Nothing wrong with a properly-done lock deletion, IMHO.

[BobM]

From what I gathered, the CCI Blazer .44 Special aluminum case load, which is topped with a 200gr Gold Dot bullet, seems to be main choice that sticks out to me. I too am interested in this question.

I usually stay away from aluminum case ammunition, but that’s always been for semi autos. I suppose for a revolver that doesn’t have to self-extract/eject, it doesn’t matter.

I have or had some of those Gold Dots. I also seem to remember that the Winchester 44 mag Silvertip was considered a good defensive load but I think it’s been discontinued and I only have a couple cylinders left.

[JEC]

So while we're waiting for Federal to bring the HSTs to market, what do we like for 44 Special or 44 Magnum for defense against the two-legged variety of predators?

I have used Winchester 210gr. Silvertip 44 Magnum as my "carry load" since the mid-90's in my original MG. It's a 3/4 power load that is pretty easy to shoot. I do think the new HST load will be a better option once it comes out. I would also be fine using one of the 190gr cast hollow point 44 Special loads offered by Buffalo Bore or Underwood.

[MountainRaven]

Buffalo Bore? I see sir has not read the Ammunition Forum.

Buffalo Bore - Near KB & Bad CS Experience
Started by GyroF-16, 01-16-2025 02:01 PM (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?62776-Buffalo-Bore-Near-KB-amp-Bad-CS-Experience)

tl;dr: BB blames user, blames gun, blames ammunition the user has never put through said gun, owner of BB turns out to be a real shitheel, &c.

[Lost River]

The Lipsey's guns feature Tyler Gun Works grips that are a modern recreation of the old Bear Hug grips. I just received a set and they are truly exceptional!

Bearing in mind that these were not hand fitted to my frame like a set of true custom grips. I don't know how they could have been any more perfect. I just snapped a few pics with my phone this morning and they really don't do them any justice. They have a perfect amount of palm swell and fit my old 4" round butt 629 just as if I had sent the gun in to have the gun fitted. The figure in the wood is quite exceptional.

https://i.imgur.com/knWab5Nh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/knWab5Nh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/u3cwuQVh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/l92uDEth.jpg

Put a HUGE smile on my face when I put they on and they snapped in place so tight.

[Lost River]

I just realized that one of the pics was posted multiple times, and one was omitted. Here is the one that I meant to post showing the opposite side.




https://i.imgur.com/HhOSjWEh.jpg

[MountainRaven]

So while we're waiting for Federal to bring the HSTs to market, what do we like for 44 Special or 44 Magnum for defense against the two-legged variety of predators?

It occurs to me that there may not be too much difference between a 230-grain bullet at 1085 fps from a 4-inch vented test barrel and a 240-grain bullet going 1350 fps from a 7.5-inch barrel. But finding actual chrono data on the latter fired from a 4-inch gun is harder than I'd thought it would be.

(This thought occurred to me after digging through Lucky Gunner's test data with the Barnes Tac-XPD 357 Magnum, with a 125-grain bullet going 1200-ish fps from a 2-inch barrel and 1400+ from a 4-inch barrel and trying to cross-reference things with Buffalo Bore's load data that show a 240-grain bullet going 1355 fps from a 5.5-inch gun going 1225 fps out of a 4-inch tube.)

[revchuck38]

So while we're waiting for Federal to bring the HSTs to market, what do we like for 44 Special or 44 Magnum for defense against the two-legged variety of predators?


From what I gathered, the CCI Blazer .44 Special aluminum case load, which is topped with a 200gr Gold Dot bullet, seems to be main choice that sticks out to me. I too am interested in this question.

I usually stay away from aluminum case ammunition, but that’s always been for semi autos. I suppose for a revolver that doesn’t have to self-extract/eject, it doesn’t matter.

I chronographed both the aluminum- and nickel-cased versions of this load from my 21-4. The aluminum-cased version went ~800 fps and the nickel-cased version went ~700 fps. IIRC, the aluminum-cased stuff was pretty flashy, but since they switch powders based on what they can get the best deal on, that may not be the case anymore.

Based on my experience with their .357 Magnum ammo, I'd give this stuff (https://highdesertcartridge.com/product/44-special-200-gr-xtp/) a try.

[SwampDweller]

Midway USA just got the 629 MG in stock for $1199, and I just placed my order. I am anxious to see my luck as far as whether it will be properly QC’d or not. This is also my first .44 caliber pistol.

I hope it’s good! I’m excited.

[WDR]

Midway USA just got the 629 MG in stock for $1199, and I just placed my order. I am anxious to see my luck as far as whether it will be properly QC’d or not. This is also my first .44 caliber pistol.

I hope it’s good! I’m excited.

Hope you get a good one. You'll have to let us know. I've been squirreling away cash for the .357 version since they were announced, and I should have plenty to be able to buy one, but I'm very tempted to just buy a 9mm/.357 suppressor, as it seems the .357 versions are on the back burner for now. I have yet to see one in stock anywhere online or in person. I have heard about other folks finding .44's out in wild... so maybe the .357's will start flowing out to market soon.

[Stephanie B]

Midway USA just got the 629 MG in stock for $1199, and I just placed my order. I am anxious to see my luck as far as whether it will be properly QC’d or not. This is also my first .44 caliber pistol.

I hope it’s good! I’m excited.

OOS, now.

[SwampDweller]

OOS, now.

Guess I got one of the few. I already received a tracking number with an estimated delivery of Thursday. The soonest I’ll be able to pick it up is Saturday, which works out because I can have some .44 ammo by then.