The shootings of Raylan Givens

[jlw]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP7e5NQgwXw

[Sparks2112]

If only it worked that way in real life. Epic.

[jetfire]

I really do love that show; although I have to think that he'd be on admin leave basically forever with the number of bodies he's dropped.

[Sparks2112]

I really do love that show; although I have to think that he'd be on admin leave basically forever with the number of bodies he's dropped.

Most I've ever personally known someone to have was 3 and that was over a 20 year arch. Cirillo holds the modern record doesn't he? Lance Thomas has got to be the civi with the most.

[JHC]

Jelly Bryce was way up there IIRC.

But the OCONUS top hunters must be just tagged out OTOH.

[Alaskapopo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP7e5NQgwXw

I love that show too.
Pat

[jlw]

I really do love that show; although I have to think that he'd be on admin leave basically forever with the number of bodies he's dropped.

One of my favorite "Chief Art" lines: "You know if first grade if you bit someone every week they'd start to think of you as a biter." (or something to that effect)


Most I've ever personally known someone to have was 3 and that was over a 20 year arch. Cirillo holds the modern record doesn't he? Lance Thomas has got to be the civi with the most.

There is an active cop somewhere in AZ with seven at last count. That is by far the highest I know of anybody this side of the Jelly Bryce era.

[Odin Bravo One]

Jelly Bryce was way up there IIRC.

But the OCONUS top hunters must be just tagged out OTOH.

No bag limit.........

[KeeFus]

There is an active cop somewhere in AZ with seven at last count. That is by far the highest I know of anybody this side of the Jelly Bryce era.


James Peters...http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57379568-504083/expert-ariz-officer-involved-in-6-deadly-shootings-highly-unusual-james-peters-placed-on-leave/

He is now retired...http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2012/06/james_peters_scottsdale_cop_wi_1.php

Nice pensions they have in AZ...

[John Hearne]

IIRC, Larry Mudgett had 8 fights and Scottie Reitz had 5. There was someone else within those units that had a similar number.

[Chuck Haggard]

Jim had 19, he told me he wasn't the guy in the stakeout unit with the most shootings.

I have a buddy over in KC that had five in under ten years. He's retired now.

[LittleLebowski]

They need an Art video collation.

[NETim]

They need an Art video collation.

Yep.

[jlw]

They need an Art video collation.


That scene where he got in the foot chase with the guy wheeling around an oxygen tank was classic.

[NickA]

Great video jlw. Can't wait for the new season, Raylan is almost as good as Archer for quotes, two of my favorites :
"I've shot people I like more for less" and "Honestly I'd rather stick my d*** in a blender", to which Art responds "That would solve some problems." :p


Jim had 19, he told me he wasn't the guy in the stakeout unit with the most shootings.


Probably Bill Allard, I think he ended up with more than Cirillo. Excellent podcast interview with him here :
http://proarmspodcast.com/2008/10/26/010-save-the-blue-trail-range-and-a-conversation-with-bill-allard/

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[JFK]

A little off subject but I think the next IDPA match will be variations on the "Shootings of Raylan Givens"

[RoyGBiv]

Season 4 starts 4 weeks from tonight.. :cool:

"Don't shoot 'em unless it seems appropriate"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2Gdk7cyHbM

[Dagga Boy]

IIRC, Larry Mudgett had 8 fights and Scottie Reitz had 5. There was someone else within those units that had a similar number.

John Helms (Larry's partner in SWAT and then went to SIS) is the other one. Those were my mentors. I remember being at Scotty's retirement party and Scott, Larry, John and I were all standing at the bar talking and I remember getting a big grin on my face. I had read some "expert" declare on the internet the week before that "nobody had ever been shot from the Harries Flashlight technique in the real world" while on a anti-weaver bash (no, it wasn't Todd....;)). All four of us had shot bad guys from Harries :cool:. Prior to the mid-90's, you could rack some numbers without issue. Now, they generally try to get rid of (or "re-assign") the guys with several shootings, even if they are they are all righteous. I believe that the number of officers who have shot bad guys is something like 6%. I imagine that the percentage with multiple's are very few. At my own place, I found that once guys were in one, the seconds and thirds were common. My opinion on that is that once you have gotten over the fear of all the ancillary b.s. that goes on with what many think will happen, and the perceptions are gone and replaced with real experience, it makes the process less clouded and easier to make shoot decisions.

I love Justified. The characters are really like a compressed version of what cops will see over a career........we all know a "Dickey". I also like that with the pistol shootings, many times they require multiple shots and aren't just clean death-ray stuff. I am hoping to get on as a reserve at a rural department..........I will be modeling my wardrobe off of Raylan :cool:, except with a 1911 in cool leather.

[jetfire]

They need an Art video collation.

My favorite Art line is when he's about to tune up the guy who shot his Marshall friend and says "in my day we used a phone book for this, but thanks to the Internet those don't work anymore."

[Chemsoldier]

I wanna say I read of an IN based officer named Keith Jones who had been in 5 shootouts though I dont know how many he shot.

Also Cirillo was half the team, Bill Allard was his most often cited partner. Allard may have shot more, he just wasn't a writer or instructor of note in the civilian shooting community so the only info we have on Allard was through Cirillo. Not a dig on Cirillo, he killed more people than polio and seemed a genuinely nice and gregarious person, just saying the Allard was an amazing shooter in his own right. Military veteran, placed at Camp Perry with the 1911, firearms trainer for the stakeout squad, hunter (like Cirillo).

[jlw]

JI believe that the number of officers who have shot bad guys is something like 6%. I imagine that the percentage with multiple's are very few. At my own place, I found that once guys were in one, the seconds and thirds were common. My opinion on that is that once you have gotten over the fear of all the ancillary b.s. that goes on with what many think will happen, and the perceptions are gone and replaced with real experience, it makes the process less clouded and easier to make shoot decisions.



I have a book written by a former LAPD officer turned professor who states a similar finding. He asserts that those who have made the leap once hesitate less when put in similar situations subsequently. I can't think of the name of the book at the moment.

[NickA]

I have a book written by a former LAPD officer turned professor who states a similar finding. He asserts that those who have made the leap once hesitate less when put in similar situations subsequently. I can't think of the name of the book at the moment.

Maybe this one?
www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0787986038

By the guy interviewed in the link KeeFus posted, sounds like the same dude (former LAPD turned professor David Klinger).

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[jlw]

Maybe this one?
www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0787986038 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0787986038)

By the guy interviewed in the link KeeFus posted, sounds like the same dude (former LAPD turned professor David Klinger).

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That's it.

[ford.304]

I have a book written by a former LAPD officer turned professor who states a similar finding. He asserts that those who have made the leap once hesitate less when put in similar situations subsequently. I can't think of the name of the book at the moment.

Just out of curiosity - would that indicate that repeat shooters result in fewer cop casualties (because they don't hesitate when needed) or more dead suspects than strictly necessary? Wonder if there's any way to test that with the data available.

[Coyotesfan97]

Peters was forced to take a medical retirement. After the sixth shooting they put him in an admin job.

He was on Scottsdale's SWAT team and was on a squad that went after violent career criminals.

Medicals are 50% of the average of your three highest year salaries. The type of work he did would mean long hours of overtime per year.

I'd bet he'd rather be working.


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[SeriousStudent]

I am currently reading Scott Reitz's "The Art of Modern Gunfighting - The Pistol: Volume 1". In it, he discusses the five shootings he was involved in. He and Brett are quite good at discussing the lessons he learned from them. I do hope they produce further books. I'm buying another copy of this one to give as a Christmas gift.

I'll have to look into Justified - thanks for the tip.

[rjohnson4405]

My favorite line from Art is when he's telling Raylan to not sleep with Eva in the first season as it will weaken her credibility as a witness:

Art Mullen: Well, be smart, then.
Raylan Givens: Let me tell you something, there are other things than smart.
Art Mullen: Yeah, those are not smart.

[KeeFus]

I believe that the number of officers who have shot bad guys is something like 6%. I imagine that the percentage with multiple's are very few. At my own place, I found that once guys were in one, the seconds and thirds were common. My opinion on that is that once you have gotten over the fear of all the ancillary b.s. that goes on with what many think will happen, and the perceptions are gone and replaced with real experience, it makes the process less clouded and easier to make shoot decisions.




I know 2 guys that have been in two OIS. There are several more of us in my area that have one so I believe that your 6% figure is probably right on. It does seem that as time goes on we are seeing more OIS in this area where the officers are winning. Frankly, I'm real surprised that we dont have more than we do.

[vcdgrips]

Bad ipad typing. Sorry

[John Hearne]

At my own place, I found that once guys were in one, the seconds and thirds were common. My opinion on that is that once you have gotten over the fear of all the ancillary b.s. that goes on with what many think will happen, and the perceptions are gone and replaced with real experience, it makes the process less clouded and easier to make shoot decisions.


There was another story about this phenomena a couple of years ago. The issue doesn't seem to be fear of the ancillary B.S. but that officer's tend to wait until the last possible moment to shoot and come really close to dying. Once they realize how foolish they were by giving the suspect every possible chance, the threshold is set a bit more realistically and they shoot sooner the next time.

The FBI research found that the average officer had been in multiple circumstances where all the conditions were met that would allow them to shoot someone but they didn't and the situation deescalated and was solved without gunfire. The thought is that a lot of the officers who end up hurt think that the incident where they get harmed is yet another one that will deescalate and end up hurt when it isn't.

[Sinker]

For a good part of the first episode of the first season, Raylan carries some sort of 1911. While I'm not taking anything away from the Glock 21 that he carries from then on, I feel that a 1911 would look much better.:cool:

[Tamara]

Maybe this one?
www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0787986038

By the guy interviewed in the link KeeFus posted, sounds like the same dude (former LAPD turned professor David Klinger).

Reading that now; thanks for the link.

[NickA]

For a good part of the first episode of the first season, Raylan carries some sort of 1911. While I'm not taking anything away from the Glock 21 that he carries from then on, I feel that a 1911 would look much better.:cool:

I'm almost certain I remember a one-handed chamber check on a 1911 somewhere in the first season. Maybe not the most safe gun handling, but dang it looked cool :D

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[jlw]

For a good part of the first episode of the first season, Raylan carries some sort of 1911. While I'm not taking anything away from the Glock 21 that he carries from then on, I feel that a 1911 would look much better.:cool:


He says that he carries a Glock 17 in an episode. He said this in response to being asked what gun he used in a shooting, and when asked what he get to replace it, he says another Glock 17 or something to that effect.

He shot Tommy Buck with a Sig 226 in the pilot.

[NickA]

He says that he carries a Glock 17 in an episode. He said this in response to being asked what gun he used in a shooting, and when asked what he get to replace it, he says another Glock 17 or something to that effect.

He shot Tommy Buck with a Sig 226 in the pilot.

See here for answers and screen caps:
www.imfdb.org/wiki/Justified

He did use a 21 and a short 1911 in the first season, since then it's pretty much been the 17/26 combo.

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[HCM]

USMS standard issue is the Glock 22

[perlslacker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP7e5NQgwXw

I've never seen this show but it looks like some TV producer just got done reading No Second Place Winner and said, "what if Bill Jordan had been born half a century later?"

[JFK]

I've never seen this show but it looks like some TV producer just got done reading No Second Place Winner and said, "what if Bill Jordan had been born half a century later?"

It is based on a book, or series of books by Elmor Leonard.

[Bigguy]

It is based on a book, or series of books by Elmor Leonard.

Actually, it's a short story titled, "Fire in the Hole."
(Extra features on the DVD)

[perlslacker]

It is based on a book, or series of books by Elmor Leonard.

Ah. Between the cowboy hat, the quick-draw hip-level point shooting, and the total nonchalance about killing everyone I thought it was a show about Chuck Askins or one of the other old-time Border Patrol gunfighters.

[Chuck Haggard]

I wanna say I read of an IN based officer named Keith Jones who had been in 5 shootouts though I dont know how many he shot.

Also Cirillo was half the team, Bill Allard was his most often cited partner. Allard may have shot more, he just wasn't a writer or instructor of note in the civilian shooting community so the only info we have on Allard was through Cirillo. Not a dig on Cirillo, he killed more people than polio and seemed a genuinely nice and gregarious person, just saying the Allard was an amazing shooter in his own right. Military veteran, placed at Camp Perry with the 1911, firearms trainer for the stakeout squad, hunter (like Cirillo).


Keith is a friend, and a hell of a good guy.

Jim told me that Bill shot several more bad guys than he did, as did a couple of the other guys on the squad. Jim himself talked about the lessons learned but he wasn't a guy to "keep score" and shit like that.

He did tell me an awesome story about two mutts trying to rob Bill while he was trying to leave for vacation.

[NickA]

Actually, it's a short story titled, "Fire in the Hole."
(Extra features on the DVD)

There were one or two books also with Givens as the main character, Riding the Rap (I think) and maybe another. The show stays pretty true to the character and the style of the dialog, which is one of Elmore Leonard's signatures.

[Bigguy]

There were one or two books also with Givens as the main character, Riding the Rap (I think) and maybe another. The show stays pretty true to the character and the style of the dialog, which is one of Elmore Leonard's signatures.

Thats one of the things that kept coming up in the special features of the DVD. They said that WWLD (What Would Leonard Do) was a mantra for the writers.
Love the show. I've never read the short, or the books. I'd probably enjoy them. I do miss Maggs from the second season.

[Erik]

I miss Winona.

[Bigguy]

I miss Winona.

Me too. Kinda hoping she'll be back.
http://spoilertv.co.uk/images/cache/justified/season-2/cast-promotional-photos/justified_s2_natalie_zea_001_595_SpoilerTV%20Water mark%20Large.jpg

[NETim]

I kinda miss the coal company rep. (seen briefly in the preview below.)

http://www.imdb.com/rg/VIDEO_PLAY/LINK//video/hulu/vi804494617/

[NickA]

They've had some great bad guys come and go, but Boyd has to be one of the best TV bad guys of all time, mostly because you can't always figure out if he is a bad guy. The main one from last season was flat out creepy.
Wish I could find the video of when Raylan hops in the car with the two hit men, and gives them the offer to leave town or just go ahead and have a gunfight right there in the car. Hilarious.

[Erik]

The other reason to love the show: they know a cool car when they see one.

http://www.imcdb.org/i462945.jpg

[Corlissimo]

One of my two favorite lines was when Raylan drops the BG then drops a bullet on said BG's chest and says: "The next one will be coming at you a bit faster." (or words to that effect).

Then there's this one:

http://youtu.be/Gq1y5nMj8wY

[Kyle Reese]

I kinda miss the coal company rep. (seen briefly in the preview below.)

http://www.imdb.com/rg/VIDEO_PLAY/LINK//video/hulu/vi804494617/

She was hot.

[jetfire]

You can see a lot more of her if you watch(ed) Hung on HBO.

[jlw]

I kinda miss the coal company rep. (seen briefly in the preview below.)

http://www.imdb.com/rg/VIDEO_PLAY/LINK//video/hulu/vi804494617/

I bet Raylan is rethinking that one since Winona left him, again.

[RoyGBiv]

Winona by a LANDSLIDE.

http://img.poptower.com/pic-31809/rebecca-creskoff.jpg http://cinesnark.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/justified-winona.jpg

[jlw]

Winona by a LANDSLIDE.

http://img.poptower.com/pic-31809/rebecca-creskoff.jpg http://cinesnark.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/justified-winona.jpg

Even the low man comes out good in that one.

[Odin Bravo One]

On pure hotness, Winona, I'll concede that.

But there is something about a cute redhead that wrecks me.........

[Kyle Reese]

Even the low man comes out good in that one.

Darn right. :cool:

[Dagga Boy]

On pure hotness, Winona, I'll concede that.

But there is something about a cute redhead that wrecks me.........

Redhead addiction is a dangerous game..........it is my weakness and keeps me sharp. You can never be in Condition white with a red head around, so it is good training;)

[NickA]

Like the song says, it takes a red-headed woman to get a dirty job done :D

[Erik]

On pure hotness, Winona, I'll concede that.

But there is something about a cute redhead that wrecks me.........

It's a pretty big club. Welcome.

[Bigguy]

Well so much for Winona. I just found where Natalie Zea is on a new show with Keven Bacon called The Following. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2071645/)

[jlw]

Well so much for Winona. I just found where Natalie Zea is on a new show with Keven Bacon called The Following. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2071645/)

That same web site has her listed as being in some 2013 episodes of Justified.

[Bigguy]

That same web site has her listed as being in some 2013 episodes of Justified.

I'll take what I can get. She was in 2012 a few times.

[jlw]

I'll take what I can get. She was in 2012 a few times.


I expect it will probably be a cameo or two. Perhaps an episode where she gives birth or something along those lines.

[NEPAKevin]

It's not unusual any more for actors to work on more than one project during any given year. For example, Timothy Olyphant was on a couple episodes of the Office after the first season of Justified aired. So long as their contracts and work schedules allow for it, many seem to like the work/money when its there.

[Bigguy]

How many times did he shoot that guy. At first I though it was a lot, but maybe only twice?
http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/11-shootouts.gif

[jetfire]

His two shootings this season have been pretty epic western style stuff - close range quickdraw affairs.

[nonameisgood]

A bit more than twice. Unless you consider it two bursts.

[Dropkick]

I think the assassin/fake officer might have squeeze a round or two off into the ground.
Or it could just be bad editing. It looks like Raylan's facial expression changes mid-string.

[EricP]

Constable Bob's explanation of them pushing his buttons after hosing down the house with his side folder AK was priceless.

If anybody knows how to turn that scene into an animation (like Jack Nicholson clapping), do it.

[ACP230]

That scene had the worst shooting and some of the worst gun handling I've seen on the show so far.
Below the normal standard IMO.

Also Colt's 1911 wasn't cocked when he drew it. I was waiting for him to fire it from that condition due to the "magic" of Hollywood.

[Dropkick]

Also Colt's 1911 wasn't cocked when he drew it. I was waiting for him to fire it from that condition due to the "magic" of Hollywood.

I missed that, but it doesn't surprise me because, A- Hollywood and B- He had to check the status of his weapon when he was at the gas station, which is why he's in all this mess.

I wonder if he'll ever figure out it was Johnny that squeezed him for the 20 large.

[NickA]

Boyd: "You should have been on the other side, with me and your daddy. You'd still be able to shoot people and be an a$$hole, your two favorite activities."
Classic.
That and Art holding up the pursuit to take a moment and recognize the badassery of Drew Thompson made for a great episode.

[RoyGBiv]

That was fun. GO Bob!!

[tremiles]

Constable Bob may be a little dumb, and an oaf, but he is one bad motherf#$%er.

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[NETim]

Raylan: He killed your man Yoo-hoo.
BG: Yolo.
Raylan: Whatever.

(Something to that effect anyway.)

[NickA]

Constable Bob may be a little dumb, and an oaf, but he is one bad motherf#$%er.

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Drewbaca? Drew mama? :D
Who knew Bob had stones that big and the heart of a killer?
I figured that knife was going to show up again, but damn that was brutal. I was literally cringing when it looked like he not only stuck it in but ripped it downward.
Kudos to Bob for staying frosty and hitting the money target instead of something stupid like the guys foot.

[NEPAKevin]

I was a little disjointed that Ava didn't flambé the Dixie Mafia douche bag.

[RoyGBiv]

I was a little disjointed that Ava didn't flambé the Dixie Mafia douche bag.

With Boyd under the thumb of his henchmen, it would have been unwise.
Temporary satisfaction leading to additional pain.

[Byron]

While I still don't think that this season has been as good as past ones, I've certainly come to appreciate it more. I think if I were to start the season over, knowing what we know now, it would be a lot more interesting. I can often appreciate this in movies, or even single episodes, but it's a bit more frustrating when it's a long string of them.

Anyway, I was very glad to see Bob have such an awesome redemption. While he has been entertaining all season, it's also been like watching everyone pick on the fat kid in gym class.

I was going to say that this season has focused more on character development rather than plot, but the bottom line is that previous seasons of Justified had just as much character development (if not more) while still telling better stories (in my humble opinion).





SPOILERS below. You have been warned...





Now that we've gotten most (if not all) of the story on Drew's background and Arlo's involvement, can anyone answer the following for me:

WHY were the teens sent to retrieve the bag from the wall?

I may be forgetting some simple explanation or overlooking motives, but I just can't recall that being explained. Seems like Drew had vanished from the grid until the two teens broke into Arlo's house to retrieve the bag from the wall. It wasn't until their epic screw-up that every player in Harlan county started actively looking for Drew.

For that matter, weren't they sent by the girl's stepfather, Josiah? If so, how the hell did he know what he was sending them for, and what did he plan to do with the bag?

It's the biggest part of this whole mystery that doesn't make any damn sense to me. Seems like everyone who actually knew Drew intended to take that secret to the grave with them. So what sparked all of this off?

[NickA]

With Boyd under the thumb of his henchmen, it would have been unwise.
Temporary satisfaction leading to additional pain.

See and I was thinking it might have been orchestrated that way- Colt takes (and takes out) the best shooter. Boyd takes his right hand man and the rest of the goons, gambling that they'll likely get taken out or run off by the Marshals, leaving Augustine isolated with Ava and Johnny. But, that all depends on whether Boyd suspects Johnnys rat finkery, and how worried he is about blowback from the Dixie Mafia.

[Robinson]

Constable Bob may be a little dumb, and an oaf, but he is one bad motherf#$%er.


"Those who mess with Bob do so at their peril." Or something like that.

[RoyGBiv]

While I still don't think that this season has been as good as past ones, I've certainly come to appreciate it more.
I agree... Mags was more terrifying and Quarles more interesting than the Drew case, but the past 2-3 episodes have been better than the first half of this season.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6H26XodL6m4/URxM80YUOvI/AAAAAAAALJY/yEx7DCrb61I/s1600/Margo+Martindale+Justified.jpg

[Dropkick]

Yeah, this season has been a little all over the place.

Started off with Drew, then the preacher and his evil sister, then the grifter couple, then the bail jumper (I'm still wondering how he organized his own rescue...) (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?6610-Gearing-up-for-Justified-Some-pablum-to-amuse-you-Nick-Searcy-in-Acting-School&p=120267&viewfull=1#post120267) and then back to Drew. And not to forget Ellen Mae in the mix of all it too.

Did I miss anything?

[NEPAKevin]

Yeah, this season has been a little all over the place.




Unless you look at it as an excuse for a Deadwood reunion.

[Byron]

Did I miss anything?
Tim's buddy, the dead junkie...
Colt and his various escapades...
Johnny's various piss-poor attempts to usurp the throne...

Yea; definitely all over the place... like one of those stories where each person contributes one sentence to keep the narrative going.

And either this season has contained more plot holes than previous seasons (like the escape that you mention), or they're just easier to notice now that the plot is scattered all over the place.

I mean... hell... Colt and and the mafia dude set up three separate vehicle-based IED's in what?... like 5 minutes? I mean... really... the entire episode took place over the course of about 45 minutes (Art says at the start of the episode that's how long it will take to get a chopper to them, and by the end of the episode they are still saying it's "too soon" for their chopper to be there.)

Now that I think about it, I can't remember ever seeing a movie or TV episode where the elapsed time for the viewer was greater than the elapsed time for the characters. Weird... or sloppy. Or both. Usually when a TV show cuts from a character being in Location A to Location B, it's understandable because time is being compressed. When time is working the opposite way, are we to assume these folks are teleporting around Harlan county?

[NickA]

Tim's buddy, the dead junkie...
Colt and his various escapades...
Johnny's various piss-poor attempts to usurp the throne...

Yea; definitely all over the place... like one of those stories where each person contributes one sentence to keep the narrative going.

And either this season has contained more plot holes than previous seasons (like the escape that you mention), or they're just easier to notice now that the plot is scattered all over the place.

I mean... hell... Colt and and the mafia dude set up three separate vehicle-based IED's in what?... like 5 minutes? I mean... really... the entire episode took place over the course of about 45 minutes (Art says at the start of the episode that's how long it will take to get a chopper to them, and by the end of the episode they are still saying it's "too soon" for their chopper to be there.)

Now that I think about it, I can't remember ever seeing a movie or TV episode where the elapsed time for the viewer was greater than the elapsed time for the characters. Weird... or sloppy. Or both. Usually when a TV show cuts from a character being in Location A to Location B, it's understandable because time is being compressed. When time is working the opposite way, are we to assume these folks are teleporting around Harlan county?

I was going to mention the junkie buddy, but that was at least tangential to the main story since it sets up a personal conflict between Colt and Gutterson.
The time thing... It's like watching 24 when everything was supposed to be in real time.. In reverse, or something. The high school and Arlo's house must have been really close, I was having a hard time believing when Raylan showed up to save Bob, then made it back before the mob showed up. Then again, probably not much of a traffic problem in the greater Harlan metro area.
Not to mention, if they knew there was going to be a problem the second they got Drew, why not just load up and GTFO right then before the goons get set up?
Anyway, I'm willing to overlook most of it since I'm pretty sure some fools are gonna get shot in the last episodes.
ETA: Teleporting? Two words: mine shafts;)

[NEPAKevin]

Not to mention, if they knew there was going to be a problem the second they got Drew, why not just load up and GTFO right then before the goons get set up?


Then how would Tim have demonstrated his Ambush-fu, circled the wagons, and MacGyvered counter IED pyrotechnics?

[Byron]

Anyway, I'm willing to overlook most of it since I'm pretty sure some fools are gonna get shot in the last episodes.
Agreed.


...circled the wagons...
Ooh, that bugged me too. Tim decides at the flip of a switch to move his vehicle: fine. But they had been staying off the radios since initially stopping, so how did the other vehicles know they were supposed to be circling the wagons as soon as Tim gunned it? There was no hesitation on their part, or any effort to figure out what was going on: everyone just magically knew that was the second to make a circle.

Edited to add: I realize I'm being picky. I still love the show and enjoy watching it.

[Erik]

If you're going to go the the "I can't suspend my disbelief quite that much" side of things, which tooth did Boyd lose, exactly, how come he doesn't bruise while Bob splits open like a ripe peach and where's Winona anyway ('cause I can't believe I'm never going to see her again!).

[rudy99]

Yeah, this season has been a little all over the place.

Started off with Drew, then the preacher and his evil sister, then the grifter couple, then the bail jumper (I'm still wondering how he organized his own rescue...) (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?6610-Gearing-up-for-Justified-Some-pablum-to-amuse-you-Nick-Searcy-in-Acting-School&p=120267&viewfull=1#post120267) and then back to Drew. And not to forget Ellen Mae in the mix of all it too.

Did I miss anything?

Yeah, I spent most of the season wondering why I even cared about Drew Thompson and why they were even looking for him until they got to last week's episode. I've been entertained along the way, but just a bit confused about what the fuss is over.

Raylan: "How much of a bad guy is her brother-in-law? Heads in a duffel bag? Or just an ass hole?"

[RoyGBiv]

where's Winona anyway .
She changed her name, got hitched to a psychopath, had a baby and fell in love (maybe) with Kevin Bacon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Following#Main_cast

Keep up dude.

[Erik]

She changed her name, got hitched to a psychopath, had a baby and fell in love (maybe) with Kevin Bacon.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Following#Main_castKeep up dude.I've seen the show but I want her back in Harlan with that sweet accent again! Besides, she's not quite enough to get me hooked into a show where I have to suspend disbelief enough to buy that (a) a psychopath could start a huge cult that will kill random people for him all from inside prison or (b) Winona ever saw anything in Kevin Bacon.

[NEPAKevin]

She changed her name, got hitched to a psychopath, had a baby and fell in love (maybe) with Kevin Bacon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Following#Main_cast

Keep up dude.

Yes, but now she's in Witsec, (or something along those lines). I was flipping channels and even though it has Marky Mark in it, stopped to watch her as Christinith in The Other Guys.


http://youtu.be/XPV8F48TLJA

[RoyGBiv]

I've seen the show but I want her back in Harlan with that sweet accent again! Besides, she's not quite enough to get me hooked into a show where I have to suspend disbelief enough to buy that (a) a psychopath could start a huge cult that will kill random people for him all from inside prison or (b) Winona ever saw anything in Kevin Bacon.

Agreed... I've un-DVR'd and re-DVR'd it now.
Next time it stays off. Wife has already given up.
She's usually the one that goes for the psycho shows. Must be the Bacon is giving her indigestion. :D

[Dropkick]

Ooh, that bugged me too. Tim decides at the flip of a switch to move his vehicle: fine. But they had been staying off the radios since initially stopping, so how did the other vehicles know they were supposed to be circling the wagons as soon as Tim gunned it? There was no hesitation on their part, or any effort to figure out what was going on: everyone just magically knew that was the second to make a circle.

Yup, it was some tactical voodoo, but I forgave it because of how cool it was and the funny phone convo/story between Tim and Colt prior.

[NickA]

"I'm gonna need Google Translate on my phone if I keep talking to you."
Boyd has to be one of the best TV bad guys of all time; Walton Goggins and whoever writes his lines are pure genius. I mean, how many hillbilly crime lords say stuff like "this duplicitous piece of sh/t"?
I'm sure we all saw the showdown with Colt coming from a mile away, but still a good episode.

[Bigguy]

Did anybody catch him (Goggins) on "Sons of Anarchy?"
http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Content/121008/News/2_tues/thumbs/121009SOA1_210x305.jpg
TV Guide (http://www.tvguide.com/News/Sons-Anarchy-Walton-Goggins-Woman-1054456.aspx)

[Byron]

Did anybody catch him (Goggins) on "Sons of Anarchy?"
Just like Justified, that's a show I've been watching since the very beginning. His appearance was great, and Tig's reaction cracked me up.

Goggins plays some really amazing characters. I thought he did a great job in Django as well.

[Byron]

...where's Winona anyway...
Her return in this last episode was certainly unceremonious.

Do members here predict that the mafia/Winona drama will stretch into next season, or is it solely a setup for this season's finale?



I don't see that anyone has attempted an answer to my earlier plot questions (quoted again below). Does that confirm that these are indeed unanswered in the Justified universe?


Now that we've gotten most (if not all) of the story on Drew's background and Arlo's involvement, can anyone answer the following for me:

WHY were the teens sent to retrieve the bag from the wall?

I may be forgetting some simple explanation or overlooking motives, but I just can't recall that being explained. Seems like Drew had vanished from the grid until the two teens broke into Arlo's house to retrieve the bag from the wall. It wasn't until their epic screw-up that every player in Harlan county started actively looking for Drew.

For that matter, weren't they sent by the girl's stepfather, Josiah? If so, how the hell did he know what he was sending them for, and what did he plan to do with the bag?

It's the biggest part of this whole mystery that doesn't make any damn sense to me. Seems like everyone who actually knew Drew intended to take that secret to the grave with them. So what sparked all of this off?

[RoyGBiv]

Her return in this last episode was certainly unceremonious.

Do members here predict that the mafia/Winona drama will stretch into next season, or is it solely a setup for this season's finale?



I don't see that anyone has attempted an answer to my earlier plot questions (quoted again below). Does that confirm that these are indeed unanswered in the Justified universe?
Winona: I'll bet the mafia stuff is resolved on Tuesday but Winona will remain as a recurring character going forward.

Drew: My justification-of-disbelief assumed Drew paid people off. Money and birds of a feather. Still doesn't explain the connection with the kids and the bag in the wall, unless you believe Arlo just hired them to remove evidence he had hanging around. I haven't lost any sleep or taken away any plot points for it.

Plot-wise this has been my least favorite season, but there has been a redeeming quantity of "those moments" that make the show fun to watch, especially over the past 3-4 weeks.

[NickA]

Winona: I'll bet the mafia stuff is resolved on Tuesday but Winona will remain as a recurring character going forward.

Drew: My justification-of-disbelief assumed Drew paid people off. Money and birds of a feather. Still doesn't explain the connection with the kids and the bag in the wall, unless you believe Arlo just hired them to remove evidence he had hanging around. I haven't lost any sleep or taken away any plot points for it.

Plot-wise this has been my least favorite season, but there has been a redeeming quantity of "those moments" that make the show fun to watch, especially over the past 3-4 weeks.

When Boyd got Drew from Limehouse, Drew was trying to talk his way out of it. He mentioned that he gave the cocaine he jumped with to Crowder's dad, and that's what "put food on their tables, and moved them out shacks and into houses" or words to that effect. So without his startup coke, no Crowder crime empire, thus buying their loyalty (until Boyd, anyway).
On the bag- I thought they explained it further a few episodes ago when they were holed up in Arlo's house, but for the life of me I can't remember and can't find it without watching it again.

[Byron]

Drew... I haven't lost any sleep or taken away any plot points for it.
Yea, I feel the same. It's not that the unanswered questions have taken away from the show for me, as much as I've just been second-guessing whether I actually missed any clues/facts/whatever. So if there's no answer, that's fine; I just want to know so I don't waste any more time trying to figure out a mystery that wasn't actually explained ;)


Plot-wise this has been my least favorite season, but there has been a redeeming quantity of "those moments" that make the show fun to watch, especially over the past 3-4 weeks.
I agree 100%


On the bag- I thought they explained it further a few episodes ago when they were holed up in Arlo's house, but for the life of me I can't remember and can't find it without watching it again.
I remember Drew explaining why he gave it to Arlo (I couldn't keep it, I couldn't throw it away, so I gave it to Arlo who promised to burn it). Is that what you mean?

My general confusion is about why people were looking for the bag at the beginning of the season.

[NickA]

I remember Drew explaining why he gave it to Arlo (I couldn't keep it, I couldn't throw it away, so I gave it to Arlo who promised to burn it). Is that what you mean?

My general confusion is about why people were looking for the bag at the beginning of the season.

I think that's all there was to it (the story about Arlo).
I may be wrong, but here's what I think: they weren't looking for the bag specifically. Remember, after they ran off from Constable Bob, it was Raylan that found the bag in the wall, started asking questions, and one thing lead to another. I think Josiah knew about Drew, but wasn't looking to out him, it just happened and he got caught in the middle.
But I could definitely be wrong.

[Bigguy]

I'm not sure how Josiah knew were the bag was, but I just assumed he thought there would be money in it.

[bwswanson]

Arlo asked Josiah, Gerald McRanet, to get it out of the wall. Josiah sent his daughter and friend to get it.

[OkSlim]

Redhead addiction is a dangerous game..........it is my weakness and keeps me sharp. You can never be in Condition white with a red head around, so it is good training;)

I had a redhead shoot me because she loved me so much. Go and figure that shit out.

They get shorted on pigment and get too much Crazy.

[OkSlim]

Winona: I'll bet the mafia stuff is resolved on Tuesday but Winona will remain as a recurring character going forward.

Drew: My justification-of-disbelief assumed Drew paid people off. Money and birds of a feather. Still doesn't explain the connection with the kids and the bag in the wall, unless you believe Arlo just hired them to remove evidence he had hanging around. I haven't lost any sleep or taken away any plot points for it.

Plot-wise this has been my least favorite season, but there has been a redeeming quantity of "those moments" that make the show fun to watch, especially over the past 3-4 weeks.

My feelings about the whole take the bag out of the wall was that Arlo , knowing he was going to be in jail the rest of his life wanted to make the evidence disappear because he figured Raylan would have the house torn down or sold or something.

[ToddG]

I've just watched the first 20 minutes of the pilot.

How come no one ever mentioned this show before? Hair trigger lawman vs. neo-nazis. I may have a new hero.

[Palmguy]

I've just watched the first 20 minutes of the pilot.

How come no one ever mentioned this show before? Hair trigger lawman vs. neo-nazis. I may have a new hero.

The thread has been here for almost four months!

It's a great show....it's about the only show I watch regularly, along with The Walking Dead.

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[ToddG]

The thread has been here for almost four months!

Allegedly.

[RoyGBiv]

Allegedly.

Oh no! The revisionistas have breached the walls.!

[jlw]

I've just watched the first 20 minutes of the pilot.

How come no one ever mentioned this show before? Hair trigger lawman vs. neo-nazis. I may have a new hero.


Wait until you get to season two...

[NETim]

Did someone mention Nazis?

1368

[Sparks2112]

Wait until you get to season two...

YES!!

[ToddG]

1368

I generally frown on quoting pics, but dude that is awesome...

[NickA]

I've just watched the first 20 minutes of the pilot.

How come no one ever mentioned this show before? Hair trigger lawman vs. neo-nazis. I may have a new hero.

That is odd that you'd never run across it, it seems to be right in your wheelhouse.
Clearly you need to spend more time in the back of the forum with the rest of us jokers :D

[ToddG]

That is odd that you'd never run across it, it seems to be right in your wheelhouse.
Clearly you need to spend more time in the back of the forum with the rest of us jokers :D

I had a conversation with one of the forum SMEs the other day and he'd never heard of Dexter. That's like saying you've never heard of CNN... except you can trust the stuff on Dexter to be true.

[Corlissimo]

I had a conversation with one of the forum SMEs the other day and he'd never heard of Dexter. That's like saying you've never heard of CNN... except you can trust the stuff on Dexter to be true.

WORD! Too bad it's ending soon.


~ Typos brought to you by my laziness & in attention to detail.

[NETim]

WORD! Too bad it's ending soon.


~ Typos brought to you by my laziness & in attention to detail.

What, CNN?


:)

[Clyde from Carolina]

I generally frown on quoting pics, but dude that is awesome...

+1. Just forwarded to my 86 year-old WWII vet friend...and I generally don't forward pics or jokes, either. :cool:

[SLG]

Interesting looking show, thanks. FWIW, in my first dept., which I believe still shoots more bad guys every year than any other CONUS organization (I could be wrong, but I think that is still true), one of my mentors was almost into the double digits. He was transferred off the street for a while to teach, but he has more than 20 years in, and is now back out on the street. Solid gunfighter all the way around.

[LittleLebowski]

I've just watched the first 20 minutes of the pilot.

How come no one ever mentioned this show before? Hair trigger lawman vs. neo-nazis. I may have a new hero.

2 cast members of Justified have made guest appearances on this season of Archer......

[ToddG]

2 cast members of Justified have made guest appearances on this season of Archer......

I know Olyphant. The other?

BTW, having watched the pilot Monday night it's now Thursday afternoon and I've seen the first two and a half seasons. Season 4 is already bought and paid for on YuoTube, as well.

I'm a fan.

[LittleLebowski]

I know Olyphant. The other?


"Art" (Nick Searcy) plays one of the Border Patrol agents on "Coyote Lovely."

Art is one of my favorite characters on Justified.

[Webb297]

"Art" (Nick Searcy) plays one of the Border Patrol agents on "Coyote Lovely."

Art is one of my favorite characters on Justified.

Nick is also pro 2A and a very vocal conservative. Brave in Hollywood.

[NEPAKevin]

Seems Tim Olyphant made an impression. Said Your Mom t-shirt (http://bit.ly/10tyw4n)

[LittleLebowski]

Good article on Searcy (Art).

http://politichicks.tv/column/an-interview-with-conservative-international-film-and-television-star-nick-searcy/

[NEPAKevin]

Kindle deal of the day: Elmore Leonard's "Raylan: a Novel" (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/ref=pe_170810_31096740_pe_row1_b1/?ASIN=B005GFQ0IK) 1.99 what-a-bargain

[jlw]

Season Five approaches:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3we6iP0i_mw

[Bigguy]

Glad to see Dewey back. The episode where was trying to steel money to get his kidney back was gold.

[Casual Friday]

Can't wait. You know, if I was taller, thinner, had hair, wore a cowboy hat, boots, and wore sport coats with Levi's, I would look just like Raylan.

[Dagga Boy]

I had a conversation with one of the forum SMEs the other day and he'd never heard of Dexter. That's like saying you've never heard of CNN... except you can trust the stuff on Dexter to be true.

I don't know who Dexter or Archer are, but I have never missed a Justified since the pilot. I ll marathon all the seasons on DVD before the new season starts. I was like this with Miami Vice pre cop, and Justified is my retirement show.

[ToddG]

I don't know who Dexter or Archer are

I never did like you...

[JDM]

Can't wait. You know, if I was taller, thinner, had hair, wore a cowboy hat, boots, and wore sport coats with Levi's, I would look just like Raylan.

Awesome.

[Dagga Boy]

I never did like you...

And here I thought we had grown on each other....like a rash...:)

[ToddG]

And here I thought we had grown on each other....like a rash...:)

Archer I can accept, not everyone likes cartoons. But I really think you'd like Dexter. It even happens in Miami!

[RoyGBiv]

Don't forget to set your DVR :cool:

http://i2.cdnds.net/13/09/618x412/ustv_justified_1.jpg

Much hilarity from Goggins on SoA last season...
http://24.media.tumblr.com/d224877996ad76b8fc94f8c9daaa8b9d/tumblr_muuncvx11y1qbhcy2o1_500.jpg

[LHS]

Much hilarity from Goggins on SoA last season...
http://24.media.tumblr.com/d224877996ad76b8fc94f8c9daaa8b9d/tumblr_muuncvx11y1qbhcy2o1_500.jpg

WTK? Who does he think he is, Willem DaFoe?

http://cdn1.gamepro.com/blogfaction/images/final%20willhem%20dafoe.jpg

[NickA]

Don't forget to set your DVR :cool:

http://i2.cdnds.net/13/09/618x412/ustv_justified_1.jpg

Much hilarity from Goggins on SoA last season...
http://24.media.tumblr.com/d224877996ad76b8fc94f8c9daaa8b9d/tumblr_muuncvx11y1qbhcy2o1_500.jpg

The car chase scene with him (her?) and Tig in the back seat was priceless.

[RoyGBiv]

The car chase scene with him (her?) and Tig in the back seat was priceless.
Those hands... in a dress... http://texaschlforum.com/images/smilies/rlol.gif

[5pins]

You know I almost got done watching the first season because of this thread and was about to give up until I saw that picture. Now I need to catch up.

[RoyGBiv]

All good things......... http://texaschlforum.com/images/smilies/cryin.gif

It's Official: 'Justified' to End After Season 6 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/official-justified-end-season-6-670791)

More clear: http://fansided.com/2014/01/14/justified-season-5-fx-confirms-justified-will-end-season-6/

After five seasons on FX, including the fifth season that just kicked off this month, FX has announced that it’s hit series Justified will be ending after the sixth season of the show next year. The Hollywood Reporter initially indicated that the fifth season of the show would be the end, but later corrected it’s report to state the sixth season would be the final season of the show.

[NickA]

All good things......... http://texaschlforum.com/images/smilies/cryin.gif

It's Official: 'Justified' to End After Season 6 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/official-justified-end-season-6-670791)

More clear: http://fansided.com/2014/01/14/justified-season-5-fx-confirms-justified-will-end-season-6/

I think that was the plan all along; plus it's not that surprising with the death of Elmore Leonard.
Last night was classic Raylan: "I'll kill four of you before you clear your weapons, and take my chances with the other two." :eek:

[NEPAKevin]

Is that a BB Gun?
:)

I wonder if its coincidence that the Russian chick has the same name as Walton Goggin's character's wife in the Shield?

[Bigguy]

WTF was Alan Tudyk's character shooting at Rayland and Art with last night?





And where can I get one?

[EricP]

I believe it was one of these:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atchisson_Assault_Shotgun

[NEPAKevin]

From a couple years ago, Russian dude's videos featuring the AA12:


http://youtu.be/WOoUVeyaY_8

Also, the "Teuller Drill" side plot had me thinking "wait for it... wait for it... "

[Bigguy]

Ohhh. Now I get it. Now I understand Tactical Joe's advice to, "Buy a Shotgun."

[Robinson]

Nick Searcy was great in that episode.

[Drang]

WTF was Alan Tudyk's character shooting at Rayland and Art with last night?


And where can I get one?

A Leafwind 12. Get it at Firefly Sales.

[Don Gwinn]

I don't know if anyone has posted this already, but a search for "Olyphant" turned up nothing. I am entered:


Shoot Guns With Timothy Olyphant (http://www.omaze.com/experiences/justified-olyphan)

Basically, $10 a chance raffle with the proceeds going to some school in California. There are rewards for entering at various levels and discounts per chance for buying larger numbers. The winner gets airfare and hotel for two to L.A. to go shooting with Timothy Olyphant.

Just thought you should know.

[JAD]

It is tempting to group buy Nyeti a million tickets. Raylan would shoot a bit better, and might start carrying an LEM.

[JeffJ]

Nyeti likes the LEM because it's easy to trigger check - Raylan doesn't trigger check

[Dagga Boy]

Nyeti likes the LEM because it's easy to trigger check - Raylan doesn't trigger check

No, I like it because it's forgiving if people trigger check...which is bad. Unfortunately, most of the public learns to handle firearms from Hollywood where the trigger check is mandatory.
Now you can learn some great lines to say to people before you shoot them, which is why I watch:D.

[JeffJ]

That is actually what I meant but was not specific with my language, which is a pet peeve of mine, so I apologize.

Are you going to incorporate throwing bullets at people into the HITS curriculum? I'd really like to take a class from you guys but I don't think the budget is there this year, maybe next year and especially if you're going to incorporate verbal sparring lessons from Justified :cool:

[Drang]

...I'd really like to take a class from you guys but I don't think the budget is there this year, maybe next year and especially if you're going to incorporate verbal sparring lessons from Justified :cool:

It would be like the opposite of Verbal Judo!

[jlw]

I'd really like to take a class from you guys but I don't think the budget is there this year, maybe next year and especially if you're going to incorporate verbal sparring lessons from Justified :cool:


It would be like the opposite of Verbal Judo!

I don't need such a class. I've been accused of being a lot of things, but being inarticulate isn't one of them.

[Paxamus]

I don't need such a class. I've been accused of being a lot of things, but being inarticulate isn't one of them.

I see what you did there Mr Crowder, very nice

[Dagga Boy]

I LOVE Verbal Judo. That was always a funny thing when I was working. Every time I would start saying "Sir. is there anything I can say or do at this time to get you to comply with me", guys would start giggling because they knew what was going to happen as soon as I finished the sentence. Command of the English language can really be a gift in dealing with people. I have also noted hanging out with Wayne that guys who are good with "Regional terminology" can come up with some funny stuff as well.

[Jack Ryan]

Love the show. Wish they would forgo the Hollywood sparking bullets.

[LHS]

I LOVE Verbal Judo. That was always a funny thing when I was working. Every time I would start saying "Sir. is there anything I can say or do at this time to get you to comply with me", guys would start giggling because they knew what was going to happen as soon as I finished the sentence. Command of the English language can really be a gift in dealing with people. I have also noted hanging out with Wayne that guys who are good with "Regional terminology" can come up with some funny stuff as well.

You should do a class just on that. Or maybe a lecture. Whatever. I'd pay a dollar for that.

[LSP972]

"Regional terminology" ...

Such as… sushi = bait???;)

.

[Dagga Boy]

Such as… sushi = bait???;)

.
You've obviously been talking to Wayne. On the other hand, I have learned about getting a "good count" when deciding what little stores to buy "minners" at.

[LSP972]

Outstanding.

We'll make a proper southern heathen out of you yet!

.

[SeriousStudent]

You should do a class just on that. Or maybe a lecture. Whatever. I'd pay a dollar for that.

I'll see his dollar, and raise the pot another dollar.

[NickA]

21 foot rule FTW :cool: Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
I kinda hate that the preview for next week gives away the Art situation, but you knew it was coming after what he said to Raylan.

[RoyGBiv]

21 foot rule FTW :cool: Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
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And...... I miss Constable Bob...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZX38aoElN0

[NEPAKevin]

http://d26ya5yqg8yyvs.cloudfront.net/clap.gif



And...... I miss Constable Bob...


YOLO


http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/tv_club/features/2013/justfied_season_4/week_11/justified_decoy_recap_patton_oswalt_s_constable_bo b_saves_the_day.html

video is about half way down the page. "People underestimate Constable Bob at their own peril. "

[RoyGBiv]

"Didn't I tell ya you were gonna wish I killed ya?"

[Malamute]

YOLO


http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/tv_club/features/2013/justfied_season_4/week_11/justified_decoy_recap_patton_oswalt_s_constable_bo b_saves_the_day.html

video is about half way down the page. "People underestimate Constable Bob at their own peril. "


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4_ut-En-R0

[tremiles]

I always look forward to one of my favorite all time shows.

Now I'm even more amp'd.

http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/justified-sam-elliott-garret-dillahunt-1201309425/

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[RoyGBiv]

I always look forward to one of my favorite all time shows.

Now I'm even more amp'd.

http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/justified-sam-elliott-garret-dillahunt-1201309425/

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http://d26ya5yqg8yyvs.cloudfront.net/drif.gif

[NEPAKevin]

I would like a scene where Sam Elliot gives Dewey Crowe that look and tells Dewey that he is a "special kind of stupid." Dillahunt has played some awesome psychos.

[23JAZ]

Great video jlw. Can't wait for the new season, Raylan is almost as good as Archer for quotes, two of my favorites :
"I've shot people I like more for less" and "Honestly I'd rather stick my d*** in a blender", to which Art responds "That would solve some problems." :p



Probably Bill Allard, I think he ended up with more than Cirillo. Excellent podcast interview with him here :
http://proarmspodcast.com/2008/10/26/010-save-the-blue-trail-range-and-a-conversation-with-bill-allard/

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I love the one where he throws the bullet at the perp and says if you don't stop the next one will be coming a lot faster!

[PPGMD]

I love the one where he throws the bullet at the perp and says if you don't stop the next one will be coming a lot faster!


And how well did that work out for him?

[Bigguy]

Deputy U.S. Marshal Raylan Givens (Character) - Quotes (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0165184/quotes)

And the winner is:
Raylan Givens: Honestly, I think I'd rather stick my dick in a blender.
Art Mullen: That might solve a few problems.

[RoyGBiv]

Don't forget to set your DVRs for tomorrow night.

[NEPAKevin]

Don't forget to set your DVRs for tomorrow night.

Does FX network do the presidential speeches? State of the Union is tonight at 9pm. I think I am going to set the box to also record the encore showing to be safe.

[PPGMD]

Does FX network do the presidential speeches? State of the Union is tonight at 9pm. I think I am going to set the box to also record the encore showing to be safe.

Typically the cable networks don't, only the broadcast networks normally do and even then they some times will tell the White House no.

Anyways I just ordered the season on Amazon.

[RoyGBiv]

It's a double-bonus to have something I WANT to watch instead of the Bloviator-in-Chief.

Worst case, I've got an episode of Alaska State Troopers on the DVR.

[RoyGBiv]

Dewey. Never saw it coming.

Great start.

[Patrick Taylor]

I am awaiting the return of the Gremlin driving , full auto AK packing Constable Bob.

[Sensei]

I am awaiting the return of the Gremlin driving , full auto AK packing Constable Bob.

There is a little Constable Bob in all of us. Anyone who can get a Grimlin to power a light bar without frying the altinator has got some skilz.

[45dotACP]

There is a little Constable Bob in all of us. Anyone who can get a Grimlin to power a light bar without frying the altinator has got some skilz.

True...people would underestimate such a man at their own peril. :D

[Chuck Haggard]

Dewey. Never saw it coming.

Great start.

Yup. I was eating a sammich and almost missed it. I had a "Wut?" moment. "Did he just kill Dewey?"

[NickA]

Dewey. Never saw it coming.

Great start.
The split second before it happened, I thought "That's a lot like how Jesse James was killed..".
And I was hoping Dewey would get some kind of redemption.

[RoyGBiv]

I was hoping Dewey would get some kind of redemption.
Nah... He got what he needed.

[Byron]

Anyone have a bet on what's in the ledger that they stole?

Given Boyd's presumed employer (based on the end of last season), I'd be inclined to think it's something to hurt a rival in the world of organized crime... but I don't see why such a ledger would be in the safety deposit box of a podunk bank, so I'm open to any possibilities.

[LittleLebowski]

I think that the ledger is related to the guy in the white Mercedes.

Also, the music for this episode was bloody awful. I prefer shows without music at all.

[NEPAKevin]

The "Cops" style foot chase of the dealer that ended with a very nice head hitting coal shovel sound effect, erect shovel, pan to Raylan who mumbles "stop, U.S. Marshall... " :)

[Erik]

Clearly I need to go back and watch the last season again, or at least the last episode of it. I have no recollection of how it ended... Loved this episode though. And put me in the "disappointed to see Dewey buy it" camp.

[LittleLebowski]

There's parts definitely pushing my "unbelievable" button such as the abduction of the federale but still, miles ahead of other cop shows.

[NEPAKevin]

For me, Justified, like most things done in the Elmore Leonard style, blends gritty realism with dirty pleasure fantasy where the characters are familiar but often deal with situations not how you would but how you might wish you could and the quality of the writing and the acting earns it a little suspension of disbelief.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

I'm am betting with a friend and fan that the series ends with a tragic dual death of Raylan and Boyd in a shoot out. I think it is foretold by Raylan's old boss telling him that sometimes the confrontation doesn't go your way- when Raylan was discussing what he wanted for Boyd's fate.

I love Walter - ever since the Shield.

[jlw]

I'm am betting with a friend and fan that the series ends with a tragic dual death of Raylan and Boyd in a shoot out. I think it is foretold by Raylan's old boss telling him that sometimes the confrontation doesn't go your way- when Raylan was discussing what he wanted for Boyd's fate.

I love Walter - ever since the Shield.

Plus, every season finale has ended with "You'll Never Leave Harlan Alive".

[Hambo]

The "Cops" style foot chase of the dealer that ended with a very nice head hitting coal shovel sound effect, erect shovel, pan to Raylan who mumbles "stop, U.S. Marshall... " :)

That was the king moment of the episode. I had to watch it several times on the DVR just to hear that satisfying "clang". :D:D:D

It's not the best cop show ever, but the Raylan moments and quips keep me watching.

[NEPAKevin]

FWIW, in the short story, Fire in the Hole, Boyd died when Raylan shot him (with a .45 revolver) at Ava's kitchen table.

[ToddG]

I prefer shows without music at all.

Not to start a thread drift, but you must not watch Supernatural. Best. Music. Ever. "Carry on my wayward son..."


There's parts definitely pushing my "unbelievable" button such as the abduction of the federale but still, miles ahead of other cop shows.

That's actually based on (or at least it's coincidental to) a very famous case that began with a cartel torturing and murdering a DEA agent named Kiki Camerena. It lead to a major legal battle in which SCOTUS finally explained that, basically, it's ok for someone to kidnap a bad guy in another country and deliver him to US authorities on our side of the border. Essentially, it says that there is no way for someone to go get permission from a US magistrate in a country where (a) there is no US magistrate and (b) there is no 4th Amendment. Same with searches, etc.


I'm am betting with a friend and fan that the series ends with a tragic dual death of Raylan and Boyd in a shoot out.

I think the producers have already said that one of them will die. It may have even been in the commercials leading up to the premiere.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

Supernatural is awesome. I'm waiting to see Sam and Dean in International Demonic or Divine Pistol Association match when that show ends! 1911s for Dean.

[Casual Friday]

When Justified premiered years ago, it bridged a gap between the westerns I liked as a kid which featured a real gunslinger, and modern cop shows. One of my favorite parts of Raylan's character is that they haven't made him invincible. He's great with a gun, but seems to get his rearend handed to him in almost every fist fight he's in.

[NickA]

"There's something about you this morning Ava. I can't quite put my finger on it..."
"Well I'm shitfaced, so there's that."
God I'm going to miss this show. Think I'll just start over from the beginning when it ends.

[Byron]

Anyone have a bet on what's in the ledger that they stole?

Given Boyd's presumed employer (based on the end of last season), I'd be inclined to think it's something to hurt a rival in the world of organized crime... but I don't see why such a ledger would be in the safety deposit box of a podunk bank, so I'm open to any possibilities.

I think that the ledger is related to the guy in the white Mercedes.

Not that we're particularly amazing psychics, but it seems we were both correct in our predictions.

With that said, I've been a little frustrated with how quickly most people seem to have forgotten the ledger entirely, assuming they paid it any attention in the first place.

Ava: Hey Raylan - you've been threatening me with jail if I don't provide you something. Here you go!
Raylan: Hmm... a ledger. Don't know what this is. Not gonna bother taking 5 seconds to find out. Better take it back. I won't even bother to spend a few minutes taking photos of its contents with my phone.

Later...

Raylan: Heard this guy was being blackmailed for a ledger. Wouldn't happen to know anything about that, would you?
Boyd: What a coincidence: I found a ledger on the side of the road.
Raylan: Great. I'm gonna confiscate that.

Later...

Everyone yelling: YOU HAVEN'T GIVEN US ANYTHING, AVA!
Ava: I'm trying!

I don't care how drunk Ava was, it seemed silly that she wouldn't bother to say anything along the lines of, "Hey, Raylan! Did you completely forget that 24 hours ago I tried to give you stolen material from Boyd's bank heist? Don't you remember how you said my life might be in danger? Well it was! He caught me with the ledger and shit got pretty real! That's part of the reason I'm drunk right now: I was trying to get back on his good side. Don't you remember how a few hours after I contacted you, you were able to secure those materials without me being implicated? Wouldn't you call that progress? Doesn't that count as giving you something? Hey, have you bothered looking in that ledger? Have you shown it to these people yelling at me? Couldn't such material be relevant for this RICO case you're building? I'm drunk. You're a U.S. Marshal. I shouldn't have to be explaining evidence to you!"

Don't get me wrong: I still really, really love this show. The ledger nonsense just frustrates me.

[jetfire]

An observation: Raylan is pretty frequently one hell of a gunfighter and a pretty lousy cop.

[Byron]

Excellent point.

[Artemas]

An observation: Raylan is pretty frequently one hell of a gunfighter and a pretty lousy cop.

If he was a better cop, he might not be as good of a gun fighter.

[jetfire]

If he was a better cop, he might not be as good of a gun fighter.

It's really one of the central premises of the show; Raylan and his opposite number Boyd are frequently a couple of steps behind the other players in whatever game is going on. But they tend to get out of trouble because they're both relatively willing to resolve problems with violence when they realize they're behind the 8-ball. Remember the scene in season 2 (or 3) where Raylan blasts that hitman who was disguised as a deputy, and Raylan's only words after were "I hope I got that right."

[NickA]

An observation: Raylan is pretty frequently one hell of a gunfighter and a pretty lousy cop.
And even worse at fist fighting.
But he has that cool hat and snappy dialog, and that's good enough ;-)

[HeadHunter]

Is he any relation to Tom Givens?

[Tom Givens]

I'm the eccentric uncle that taught him everything he knows about guns.

[Wondering Beard]

I'm the eccentric uncle that taught him everything he knows about guns.

Why am I not surprised? :cool:


Btw, has anyone noticed the Audi ads during the show that end with "challenge all givens"?

[Patrick Taylor]

Still waiting for Constable Bob.......

[BaiHu]

Why am I not surprised? :cool:


Btw, has anyone noticed the Audi ads during the show that end with "challenge all givens"?
Yes. Very good.

[tremiles]

Not that we're particularly amazing psychics, but it seems we were both correct in our predictions.

With that said, I've been a little frustrated with how quickly most people seem to have forgotten the ledger entirely, assuming they paid it any attention in the first place.

Ava: Hey Raylan - you've been threatening me with jail if I don't provide you something. Here you go!
Raylan: Hmm... a ledger. Don't know what this is. Not gonna bother taking 5 seconds to find out. Better take it back. I won't even bother to spend a few minutes taking photos of its contents with my phone.

Later...

Raylan: Heard this guy was being blackmailed for a ledger. Wouldn't happen to know anything about that, would you?
Boyd: What a coincidence: I found a ledger on the side of the road.
Raylan: Great. I'm gonna confiscate that.

Later...

Everyone yelling: YOU HAVEN'T GIVEN US ANYTHING, AVA!
Ava: I'm trying!

I don't care how drunk Ava was, it seemed silly that she wouldn't bother to say anything along the lines of, "Hey, Raylan! Did you completely forget that 24 hours ago I tried to give you stolen material from Boyd's bank heist? Don't you remember how you said my life might be in danger? Well it was! He caught me with the ledger and shit got pretty real! That's part of the reason I'm drunk right now: I was trying to get back on his good side. Don't you remember how a few hours after I contacted you, you were able to secure those materials without me being implicated? Wouldn't you call that progress? Doesn't that count as giving you something? Hey, have you bothered looking in that ledger? Have you shown it to these people yelling at me? Couldn't such material be relevant for this RICO case you're building? I'm drunk. You're a U.S. Marshal. I shouldn't have to be explaining evidence to you!"

Don't get me wrong: I still really, really love this show. The ledger nonsense just frustrates me.

I don't know the court system well enough to know, but does Ava giving Raylan the ledger help him any in the "never going to get to a trial of Boyd"? Unless he gets it from Boyd, a defense attorney doesn't have to work too hard to get it thrown out as evidence.

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[RoyGBiv]

Only 1st episode in of Season 6, but lemme get this straight. Ava is betraying Boyd because he didn't ask for her release in return for helping Raylan get Daryl Crowe, instead asking for a clean slate for himself?

Ava dumped him, more or less.

I know she's trying to save her skin, but seems like she still wouldn't betray Boyd if they were still "together." Either way, it's cringeworthy seeing him be so kind to her, and knowing she's plotting his demise.
She sucked at playing prison.
Raylan was her way out, while she looks for a better way to stay out.

I wouldn't bet that the writers have written their last chapter together.
Wouldn't surprise me if she was the sole survivor of the three.

[NickA]

My pop psychology take: Raylan is obsessed with Boyd because they came from the same place- poor town, coal mines, criminal fathers. Boyd is what Raylan could easily have become, and he can't abide him getting away with it.
Or some shit ;-)

[RoyGBiv]

My pop psychology take: Raylan is obsessed with Boyd because they came from the same place- poor town, coal mines, criminal fathers. Boyd is what Raylan could easily have become, and he can't abide him getting away with it.
Or some shit ;-)

Maybe he's known Boyd his entire life and seen Boyd get away with being a cancer on society for so long, without ever having to pay the piper... and Raylan wants to assuage his need for justice to be served before he leaves Harlan for the last time.

[RoyGBiv]

Next week: Constable Bob!!! http://texaschlforum.com/images/smilies/hurray.gif http://texaschlforum.com/images/smilies/hurray.gif

I hope he survives his return. :confused:

[BaiHu]

Yup! Saw that last night. Should get interesting.

[NickA]

Great guest role for Jake Busey, he did a real bang up job last night ;-)

[Bigguy]

Great guest role for Jake Busey, he did a real bang up job last night ;-)

I see what you did there. ;-)

[Erik]

If they're going to bring back all the old characters for a last hurrah, I wish they'd give Winona a bit more air time. And, while I'm making my wish list, I'd like to see this one back for a bit:

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQtk71Jzsn9jAlIGcfkGu8-p_4pGaG-bk5EArjpfOGPdfRXLNapHg

[jetfire]

Maybe he's known Boyd his entire life and seen Boyd get away with being a cancer on society for so long, without ever having to pay the piper... and Raylan wants to assuage his need for justice to be served before he leaves Harlan for the last time.

Raylan and Boyd have always been portrayed as opposite sides of the same coin. Raylan sees himself in Boyd but for a few life choices, and Boyd does pretty much the same.

[Artemas]

I lost track somewhere what happened here when that dude well... vaporized. Was that Boyd's doing? Why would his cell-phone be a bomb(dumb question), why did locksmith-bro want it, why did locksmith-bro get upset at Boyd for not leaving said phone in the car when he asked to take it from them?

[PPGMD]

I lost track somewhere what happened here when that dude well... vaporized. Was that Boyd's doing? Why would his cell-phone be a bomb(dumb question), why did locksmith-bro want it, why did locksmith-bro get upset at Boyd for not leaving said phone in the car when he asked to take it from them?

Basically they are saying that the stray signals detonated the explosives.

The same reason Boyd collected the cell phones during the mine heist he was forced into, and then dropped a cell phone in one of the bad guy's pockets to give him an opening to switch the bags.

I don't know explosives devices that well, but based on what I know on electronics and signal inference, it seems rather unlikely.

[jlw]

Basically they are saying that the stray signals detonated the explosives.

The same reason Boyd collected the cell phones during the mine heist he was forced into, and then dropped a cell phone in one of the bad guy's pockets to give him an opening to switch the bags.

I don't know explosives devices that well, but based on what I know on electronics and signal inference, it seems rather unlikely.

Every EOD class I have been to stressed shutting down cell phones and radios in the vicinity of the suspected device.

[BaiHu]

I think it's the static in the air that is produced around cell phones IIRC.

[Artemas]

Basically they are saying that the stray signals detonated the explosives.
The same reason Boyd collected the cell phones during the mine heist he was forced into, and then dropped a cell phone in one of the bad guy's pockets to give him an opening to switch the bags.
I don't know explosives devices that well, but based on what I know on electronics and signal inference, it seems rather unlikely.

I binge watched Season 2 over the weekend. Can't believe I did not catch this. Thanks.:o

[PPGMD]

I think it's the static in the air that is produced around cell phones IIRC.

Strange, I suppose that is possible.

Just runs counter with how safe modern explosives are.


I binge watched Season 2 over the weekend. Can't believe I did not catch this. Thanks.:o

That is why he left a note for Ava to call that number at the particular time.

[NEPAKevin]

Still not used to Sam Elliott with out a mustache.

[mtnbkr]

The issue with the cellphones is that cellphones emit RF and explosives detonators are RF controlled or poorly shielded against RF. Ergo, having cellphones or 2-way radios nearby is a risk (ever seen signs near a construction zone warning against using radios?). Wiz remembered Boyd and Wynn's phones, but forgot his own.

As for Same Elliot, without his 'stache, he has an evil grin.

Chris

[Casual Friday]

"People underestimate Bob at their peril..."

[BaiHu]

The issue with the cellphones is that cellphones emit RF and explosives detonators are RF controlled or poorly shielded against RF. Ergo, having cellphones or 2-way radios nearby is a risk (ever seen signs near a construction zone warning against using radios?). Wiz remembered Boyd and Wynn's phones, but forgot his own.

As for Same Elliot, without his 'stache, he has an evil grin.

Chris
Thanks for bringing facts back into my memory.

[NickA]

"Wonderful things happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden of assholes."

[Palmguy]

"Wonderful things happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden of assholes."

Tim: You just come up with that?
Raylan: Heard it somewhere.
Tim: Well say it again slower so I can write it down.

[NickA]

Tim: You just come up with that?
Raylan: Heard it somewhere.
Tim: Well say it again slower so I can write it down.
I wish we had seen more of Tim in the series, or that they'd spin him and some of the other characters into a new show.

[jlw]

I wish we had seen more of Tim in the series, or that they'd spin him and some of the other characters into a new show.

Here is the perfect spin offL

Art retires and moves to some sleepy little fishing village in Florida then some big incident drags him back into the business as the local police chief.

[NickA]

Here is the perfect spin offL

Art retires and moves to some sleepy little fishing village in Florida then some big incident drags him back into the business as the local police chief.
"Art retires, moves to GA, and some big incident forces him into teaming up with a sheriff and his G18-toting deputy."
FIFY ☺

[RoyGBiv]

"Wonderful things happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden of assholes."

That line was definitely quotable....

[jlw]

"Art retires, moves to GA, and some big incident forces him into teaming up with a sheriff and his G18-toting deputy."
FIFY ☺

We don't allow big incidents here...

[Byron]

Great episode last night. Boy did the plot pick up speed! Makes sense though: only 3 episodes left.

Hold on to your hats, gentlemen: things are about to get crazy!

[NEPAKevin]

Makes sense though: only 3 episodes left.


:confused: Last episode was six and IIRC there are supposed to be thirteen this season?

[Byron]

:confused: Last night was episode six and IIRC there are supposed to be thirteen this season?
I'm an idiot. I took a quick glance at the episode list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Justified_episodes#Season_6_.282015.29), mixed up March 24 with Feb 24, and made an ass of myself.

[NEPAKevin]

Stuff happens. :) Good news, you have another month of badassedness to look forward to.

[Byron]

That is great news indeed!

Although now I might have to restart the grieving process. I was just getting towards acceptance and now I might fall all the way back to denial ;)

[NEPAKevin]

@JustifiedFX tweeted: Gardening tips from Raylan. #Justified

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-uWpygVIAArvkJ.jpg

[Casual Friday]

I wish we had seen more of Tim in the series, or that they'd spin him and some of the other characters into a new show.

Better Call Tim?

[BaiHu]

This is a great show to come home to after I've had an aplexing day.
Awesome use of "aplexing" [emoji6]

[Robinson]

And damn, seems like he performed an upgraded Mozambique 2.0 on the 2nd E.M.T. dude.

Strong hand only I think.

[RoyGBiv]

Strong hand only I think.
Carrying C3 and using his good hand and his ass to rack the slide, IIRC.
I think there's another thread about that here somewhere. :p

[NickA]

My only gripe was that he did it twice, but what the heck, he was all shot up.