Springfield Armory AOS (1911 optics integration)

[JohnO]

https://youtu.be/o-cs-VXoTu0?si=5VvZ8q1XBVw21kzz


https://youtu.be/KBKpNSHYNcQ?si=Z9aZzoBB6YWwU1Rx

[HeavyDuty]

Finally.

[HeavyDuty]

Interesting that the TRP wasn’t included. I wonder if it’s coming?

[Robinson]

Interesting that the TRP wasn’t included. I wonder if it’s coming?

I suspect it will come, but I'm not surprised that TRP AOS models were not announced along with the rest of the AOS lineup. The TRP models don't go through the exact same manufacturing and assembly process as the other models because they get quite a bit more hand touch and attention. But at some point it's very possible we'll see AOS TRP models and possibly 9mm TRP models as well. Of course if/when TRP AOS models are announced there will be more complaining about the price point.

Colt needs to pay attention to what Springfield Armory has been doing. I can't speak for all the production line SA models, but the current production TRP and Operator pistols are very good. They may be a little late with the optics-ready offerings but it seems they are doing it right. They are staying relevant. They have a nice website. All the things Colt isn't doing but should be. At this point Springfield Armory deserves to eat Colt's lunch when it comes to 1911s because they're making the investment and producing the goods.

[03RN]

Oh my. I want that
https://www.springfield-armory.com/1911-series-handguns/1911-operator-handguns/1911-operator-4-25-aos-45-acp-handgun/

[Tokarev]

Oops. Already posted.

[Tokarev]

https://youtu.be/cz6tA81R_zY?si=LhHbAb3FV76aNu0O

[Gmac]

Bad timing. I bought an operator in 9mm 6 months ago as a project and ultimately had some work done to it. Can’t predict the future, but I wish I would’ve waited.

Boo….hiss. These do look sweet though.

[RJ]

These do look pretty cool.

[Sensei]

Interesting that the TRP wasn’t included. I wonder if it’s coming?


I suspect it will come, but I'm not surprised that TRP AOS models were not announced along with the rest of the AOS lineup. The TRP models don't go through the exact same manufacturing and assembly process as the other models because they get quite a bit more hand touch and attention. But at some point it's very possible we'll see AOS TRP models and possibly 9mm TRP models as well. Of course if/when TRP AOS models are announced there will be more complaining about the price point.

Colt needs to pay attention to what Springfield Armory has been doing. I can't speak for all the production line SA models, but the current production TRP and Operator pistols are very good. They may be a little late with the optics-ready offerings but it seems they are doing it right. They are staying relevant. They have a nice website. All the things Colt isn't doing but should be. At this point Springfield Armory deserves to eat Colt's lunch when it comes to 1911s because they're making the investment and producing the goods.

Now that CZ owns Colt and Dan Wesson, I suppose that they feel like the Optics Ready options from DW cover their bases. This assumption is not justified (IMHO) given the inconsistencies in reliability that many of us have experienced in both DW and Colt product lines as of late.

An AOS Springfield TRP line would be very competitive in today’s market. The DW Specialist OR in 45ACP suffers 2 major flaws. First, the integral feed ramp makes the gun prone to feeding issues. Second, there is a pattern of issues with their slide release / barrel link interface such that many of us (myself, Hilton Yam, other forum members, etc) have guns that are picky when it comes to locking back on empty magazines.

Right now, I slightly trust the new Sig 1911X line over a DW Specialist in 45 ACP. I’d much prefer a TRP AOS.

[HeavyDuty]

I hate to say it, but that damn full dust cover 4.25” Emissary keeps catching my eye. If they ever do a LW AOS 9mm version…

Nah.

[rd62]

I hate to say it, but that damn full dust cover 4.25” Emissary keeps catching my eye..


100% agree

[Tokarev]

I hate to say it, but that damn full dust cover 4.25” Emissary keeps catching my eye. If they ever do a LW AOS 9mm version…

Nah.People complain about the SIG rail gun not fitting various holsters. How's the Emissary going to be any different?

The aluminum 9mm Operator would be the one I'd probably get.

https://www.springfield-armory.com/1911-series-handguns/1911-operator-handguns/1911-operator-4-25-aos-9mm-handgun/

But, yeah, a full frame rail would be nice.

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[Robinson]

I hate to say it, but that damn full dust cover 4.25” Emissary keeps catching my eye. If they ever do a LW AOS 9mm version…

Yeah the steel-framed full rail 4.25" AOS model is pretty close to what you want but it's still a hunk of steel.

And yes, holsters might be a problem. Vedder Holsters offers Emissary-specific holsters but not for the full-rail 4.25" gun (yet).

[ECVMatt]

Wow, that looks amazing. I have been extremely impressed with a recently purchased TRP. I could definitely see one of these on the horizon.

I like the plate system and how it interacts with the slide.

[TOTS]

People complain about the SIG rail gun not fitting various holsters. How's the Emissary going to be any different?

The aluminum 9mm Operator would be the one I'd probably get.

https://www.springfield-armory.com/1911-series-handguns/1911-operator-handguns/1911-operator-4-25-aos-9mm-handgun/

But, yeah, a full frame rail would be nice.

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Hell. Yes.

[theJanitor]

A railed TRP in 9mm with an optic system would be great substitute for the PRO that’s no longer available

[msstate56]

People complain about the SIG rail gun not fitting various holsters. How's the Emissary going to be any different?

The aluminum 9mm Operator would be the one I'd probably get.

https://www.springfield-armory.com/1911-series-handguns/1911-operator-handguns/1911-operator-4-25-aos-9mm-handgun/

But, yeah, a full frame rail would be nice.

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Get a heat gun and make it fit!

[HeavyDuty]

Get a heat gun and make it fit!

That’s what I had to do for my 1911X - no big deal.

[Chuck Whitlock]

People complain about the SIG rail gun not fitting various holsters. How's the Emissary going to be any different?



Yeah the steel-framed full rail 4.25" AOS model is pretty close to what you want but it's still a hunk of steel.

And yes, holsters might be a problem. Vedder Holsters offers Emissary-specific holsters but not for the full-rail 4.25" gun (yet).

I guess I don't get this line of thinking (same with the squared trigger guard on the Emissary). If I'm going to buy a railed 1911, it's so I can mount a light on it, and with a light mounted, the argument is moot.

[Robinson]

I guess I don't get this line of thinking (same with the squared trigger guard on the Emissary). If I'm going to buy a railed 1911, it's so I can mount a light on it, and with a light mounted, the argument is moot.

I get your point, but some people will want to carry the gun without a light attached. I can understand liking the shooting/handling characteristics of the full-railed 4.25" gun with or without a light, but it's already heavy at 42 ounces empty.

Vedder offers holsters for the Emissary models with and without a rail (except for the full rail model so far).

I do wonder why Springfield isn't offering 4.25" Emissary models with an aluminum frame like they do with the Ronin and TRP series.

[Drogo Bunce]

The Safariland GLS holsters work well for "odd" un/railed pistols. Intuitive retention without using your trigger finger, and not-quite universal holsters that actually work well. Moving parts aren't good if you spend a lot of time on the ground, but for most of us they work well.

[js475]

Sort of related, but does anyone currently offer aftermarket AOS milling for 1911s?

[Tokarev]

Sort of related, but does anyone currently offer aftermarket AOS milling for 1911s?AB Prototype has the service on his website but it shows "out of stock." Maybe I'm seeing it wrong and just the AOS plates are what's not in stock. Anyway, it may be worth dropping him an email.

MK3 also does it, I believe. I'm pretty sure he mentions it in one of his youtu.be videos.

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[Tokarev]

Maybe I missed it in Hilton Yam's review. The 45 uses a ramped barrel? Is this something unique to the Commander 45?


https://youtu.be/x7qvDQ7miMA?si=MwVgbCqedWzS_ir0

[Robinson]

Maybe I missed it in Hilton Yam's review. The 45 uses a ramped barrel? Is this something unique to the Commander 45?

The full size 45 does not use a ramped barrel. They are doing the same thing with the new TRP line -- ramped barrel in the Commander but not the Government.

[Tokarev]

The full size 45 does not use a ramped barrel. They are doing the same thing with the new TRP line -- ramped barrel in the Commander but not the Government.

Interesting. Thanks.

[Tokarev]

https://youtu.be/fUM-zAFSb4s?si=WEWlInmU6Y5eay4z

[Tokarev]

Interesting. Thanks.

Now that I think about it it does probably make good sense here since the Commanders are aluminum frame.

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[Robinson]

Now that I think about it it does probably make good sense here since the Commanders are aluminum frame.

Agreed, although the TRP Classic 4.25" has a steel frame but still uses a ramped barrel. Probably for commonality in parts and manufacturing with the lightweight 4.25" guns.

[Tokarev]

Agreed, although the TRP Classic 4.25" has a steel frame but still uses a ramped barrel. Probably for commonality in parts and manufacturing with the lightweight 4.25" guns.I can't imagine the TRP not being available with the AOS now. I suppose it is just a matter of machine time at the plant before TRPs are available.

Optic cut or no I would be interested in a TRP Commander allow frame. But I don't want it with the bobtail cut. I hate that crap!

And while we're all wondering where the TRP optic cut is, I'd add in the MC Operator. I've always kind of liked the look of these pistols. One with a native optic mounting solution would just be that much more better.



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[Robinson]

I can't imagine the TRP not being available with the AOS now. I suppose it is just a matter of machine time at the plant before TRPs are available.

Optic cut or no I would be interested in a TRP Commander allow frame. But I don't want it with the bobtail cut. I hate that crap!

And while we're all wondering where the TRP optic cut is, I'd add in the MC Operator. I've always kind of liked the look of these pistols. One with a native optic mounting solution would just be that much more better.


Here's the thing though... the MC Operator is part of the Loaded series but is priced a few hundred above a normal Operator or about the same as the new AOS Operator. Adding AOS to the MCOP will put the price easily into TRP territory. It's a cool pistol but it's not a TRP.

On the other hand, everything I just said is also true of the AOS Emissary so who knows.

The AOS Operator is the deal of the AOS offerings. It still sells for less than a TRP, as it should.

[EzGoingKev]

What is the opinion of these vs the new Sig 1911 X series guns?

[HeavyDuty]

What is the opinion of these vs the new Sig 1911 X series guns?

If these had been out when I bought my 1911-X, I probably would have gotten the Springfield just because it is a more versatile optic platform. That doesn’t mean I don’t like my SIG, though.

[03RN]

Sort of related, but does anyone currently offer aftermarket AOS milling for 1911s?

Ooh, that's a good idea. In for answers

[Tokarev]

Ooh, that's a good idea. In for answers

AB Prototype has the service on his website but it shows "out of stock." Maybe I'm seeing it wrong and just the AOS plates are what's not in stock. Anyway, it may be worth dropping him an email.

MK3 also does it, I believe. I'm pretty sure he mentions it in one of his youtu.be videos.

[HeavyDuty]

AB Prototype has the service on his website but it shows "out of stock." Maybe I'm seeing it wrong and just the AOS plates are what's not in stock. Anyway, it may be worth dropping him an email.

MK3 also does it, I believe. I'm pretty sure he mentions it in one of his youtu.be videos.

AB Prototype mentions that milling a Novak cut slide results in half height posts. I’ve had other work done by them and would gladly use them again without hesitation.

[EzGoingKev]

If these had been out when I bought my 1911-X, I probably would have gotten the Springfield just because it is a more versatile optic platform. That doesn’t mean I don’t like my SIG, though.

That is a good point but I was thinking more about the quality of the guns themselves.

[Tokarev]

What is the opinion of these vs the new Sig 1911 X series guns?I don't think anyone on this forum has had a chance to compare side by side yet. But here are some random observations.

As Heavy Duty mentions, the SIG is direct milled for the RMSc and the Springfield uses AOS plates. Pros and cons to both but the AOS is the more versatile.

The Springfield is available in railed and non-railed frames and also Government and Commander sizes with some aluminum frame offerings too. And then in 9mm and 45. Lots more choices with the Springfield.

SIG uses Series 80 parts while SA uses a titanium firing pin spring.

SIG uses an external extractor that has been well vetted at this point.

Both makers use lots of MIM.

The SIG is a bit more "complete" in that it comes with a mag well. Otherwise, it would be more or less analogous to the Operator.



That is a good point but I was thinking more about the quality of the guns themselves.

Both makers have their fans and critics. 1911s are probably as much about brand loyalty as anything.

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[HeavyDuty]

That is a good point but I was thinking more about the quality of the guns themselves.

I don’t have any Springfield 1911s (yet) but I would be surprised if there is much overall quality difference.

[Tokarev]

I don’t have any Springfield 1911s (yet) but I would be surprised if there is much overall quality difference.Pffft. Amateur....

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[Robinson]

What is the opinion of these vs the new Sig 1911 X series guns?

I won't speak for the Sig because I don't own one, but the guns Springfield Armory is making right now may be the best guns they have ever produced -- aside from the now-defunct Custom Shop.

I honestly believe SA has made an upturn in their quality of parts, manufacturing, and assembly in very recent months -- say over the past year. Of course the TRP is the top of the SA lineup, but they haven't announced an AOS version of the TRP yet.

[Tokarev]

I honestly believe SA has made an upturn in their quality of parts, manufacturing, and assembly in very recent months -- say over the past year.

The Springfield 1911s have certainly had ups and downs over the years.

I think it was with the launch of the Prodigy where Hilton Yam said the Springfield frames and slides are the nicest they have ever used. This may be true but was no doubt overshadowed by all the reliability problems that plagued the early Prodigy.

TRP revamp seems to have been drama free. Ronin line gets favorable reviews and people seem to like the Emissary.

Is SA on a roll?



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[Tokarev]

https://youtu.be/Ncy5-UocAZk?si=ee_LNhErqVF1rZqO

[Tokarev]

https://youtu.be/1VIvssT7SGg?si=36HCiMhHnGTXRt6A

[awp_101]

The AOS Ronin and Operator are very tempting.

[maximus83]

If SA releases an AOS TRP in 9mm, I'm in.

[Tokarev]

Cowan has a review up for his Patreon subscribers.

The trigger on his sample had a little glitch or catch before hammer release. He started having reliability issues/slide cycling issues at about 750 rounds that persisted until he broke the gun down for cleaning and oiling even though he'd cleaned and oiled it before shooting. He says, in his experience, that guns with GI guide rods require more maintenance than guns with full-length. But I don't remember him saying anything about reliability with the SIG 1911X he reviewed? That gun also has the GI length guide rod.

Otherwise, he likes it. I'm curious to see what how the AOS plate system may work after a couple drops but he says, being partnered with Agency, that drop tests are a potential conflict of interest.

[Elwin]

He says, in his experience, that guns with GI guide rods require more maintenance than guns with full-length. But I don't remember him saying anything about reliability with the SIG 1911X he reviewed? That gun also has the GI length guide rod.

Huh. Is that a thing? And maintenance in what way?

I’d listen to his explanation myself but I’m not on his Patreon.

[Trooper224]

Cowan has a review up for his Patreon subscribers.

The trigger on his sample had a little glitch or catch before hammer release. He started having reliability issues/slide cycling issues at about 750 rounds that persisted until he broke the gun down for cleaning and oiling even though he'd cleaned and oiled it before shooting. He says, in his experience, that guns with GI guide rods require more maintenance than guns with full-length. But I don't remember him saying anything about reliability with the SIG 1911X he reviewed? That gun also has the GI length guide rod.

Otherwise, he likes it. I'm curious to see what how the AOS plate system may work after a couple drops but he says, being partnered with Agency, that drop tests are a potential conflict of interest.

The catch in the trigger he's feeling is very common when no handwork during assembly is the norm. The hitch is the sear nose and hammer hook scraping across each other, because they weren't trued up before assembly. The engagement surfaces aren't perfectly level, so a clean release doesn't occur. This can happen regardless of the type of part used, MIM, cast or machined.

The guide comment is bullocks.

[Tokarev]

Huh. Is that a thing? And maintenance in what way?

I’d listen to his explanation myself but I’m not on his Patreon.


Maintenance as in cleaning.

I thought the FLGR was there to prevent "spring bind."

[Bergeron]

My only 1911 .45s have been Springfields, and appreciate the brand and the choices in the platform, but I would love it if we could please do something about the names, or least not stamp them on the slides? The "Springfield Armory" is cool, the crossed cannons are cool, but the names are cheesy in a way that the guns are not.

[Tokarev]

My only 1911 .45s have been Springfields, and appreciate the brand and the choices in the platform, but I would love it if we could please do something about the names, or least not stamp them on the slides? The "Springfield Armory" is cool, the crossed cannons are cool, but the names are cheesy in a way that the guns are not.


"Operator" is okay but maybe only because that's what Springfield has called versions of this gun from the start.

Emissary, Prodigy, Echelon, Saint? Nah.

[LockedBreech]

...I kinda like Garrison

[Bergeron]

My only 1911 .45s have been Springfields, and appreciate the brand and the choices in the platform, but I would love it if we could please do something about the names, or least not stamp them on the slides? The "Springfield Armory" is cool, the crossed cannons are cool, but the names are cheesy in a way that the guns are not.

[Bergeron]

"Operator" is okay but maybe only because that's what Springfield has called versions of this gun from the start.

Emissary, Prodigy, Echelon, Saint? Nah.

Yes sir, you get it. I respect and care for my pistol too much to actually do this, but "other me" is tempted to scratch "Copier Repairman" into the grips.

[jh9]

I'm sorry, but I hear Garrison...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/MrGarrison.png

... and I hear it in Cartman's voice. They really should have named it anything else. Colt got it right with the ORM/NRM change. Springfield's old slide markings-- just "1911-A1 cal .XX"-- are way better than what they did with this latest "branding" change.

But ultimately it's just a rollmark. There have been dumber ones. These are presumably still Springfield. Which means once you pay someone a few hundred bucks to finish manufacturing the gun it'll probably run for decades if you stay on top of mags and maintenance. Which is ultimately what matters. But it's still an unforced error, and honestly not much better than putting Cohen-brand diamond bumper chrome on the slide.

[Chuck Whitlock]

Honestly, as long as the roll mark isn't something like "Burglar Eliminator 3000!", I'm kind of ambivalent about whatever they name their product.

[HeavyDuty]

Honestly, as long as the roll mark isn't something like "Burglar Eliminator 3000!", I'm kind of ambivalent about whatever they name their product.

Or “Equalizer.” Or “Grand High Highness Scorpion Spectre.”

[Sensei]

I watched the Sage Dynamics video. He was not surprised by the reliability issues that began at 700 rounds and neither am I. While it is certainly possible to get a 45 ACP 1911 to reliably run 1000-2000 rounds without cleaning or lube, it is highly unlikely that you will get an unfired factory gun to do this out of the box…no matter what you do to it before being fired.

When you look across the landscape of factory-fit (ie DW) and semi-custom (ie Wilson) manufacturers, you will find a range of initial cleaning and lube recommendations to deal with surface mating that occurs with this platform. However, a constant recommendation from all of these shops is that 45ACP 1911s will need some cleaning to address the products of metal surfaces “mating” at some point at or within the 500-round mark. DW recommends serial cleaning at 50-round intervals while Wilson suggest disassembly and cleaning after the 500-round mark. I’ve never heard of a 1911 manufacturer suggesting that a 2K Challenge out of the box would somehow be indicative of the pistol’s downstream reliability.

To illustrate this point, notice how AC was able to make it through the next 1300 rounds without issue after that initial cleaning and re-lube at the 700-round mark.

My take away is that this Springfield Operator is like other good, factory 45ACP 1911s - optimal performance will require lube and cleaning every 500-1000 rounds. Cut those numbers in half if you plan to dip your toes into the 9mm 1911 game. If you really want a gun that goes 2000 rounds out of the box then this is why God gave us the Glock 17/19 and HK USP/P30.

[jh9]

Honestly, as long as the roll mark isn't something like "Burglar Eliminator 3000!", I'm kind of ambivalent about whatever they name their product.

The Mk 1 Mod "I dare you to charge me! ha ha ha!"

Actually, I think that'd go over pretty well with some of the sovcit types. Make sure the finish has gold fringe or whatever. S&W should have it in the catalog by the end of Q1.

[Tokarev]

Honestly, as long as the roll mark isn't something like "Burglar Eliminator 3000!", I'm kind of ambivalent about whatever they name their product.Keeping names sensical and logical seems fairly challenging. Staccato uses letter and occasionally a letter and number designations. Too bad they're now recycling names. Smith called the slightly updated M&P the 2.0. Calling it the M&P A1 or M&P V1.5 would have made more sense to me. Save the 2.0 for something that's really a gen 2 variant.

SIG isn't without blame here too. What the heck does emporer Scorpion have to do with painting a gun tan? This sounds more like a Saturday matinee movie title to me.

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[bofe954]

I don't know why they can't name a pistol something and then just not stamp it on the slide. I would be more interested in a ronin if it didn't have ronin stamped on the slide. I will say that if you think firearm names are insufferable, go take a look at pocketknives...

Someone's buying 'em, or they wouldn't do it...

[NGP]

I don't know why they can't name a pistol something and then just not stamp it on the slide. I would be more interested in a ronin if it didn't have ronin stamped on the slide. I will say that if you think firearm names are insufferable, go take a look at pocketknives...

Someone's buying 'em, or they wouldn't do it...

I am someone who cares nothing about the aesthetic qualities of firearms at all, so much so that if the best pistol for me was shaped as a giant penis, I would be carrying it without shame. That being said, for whatever reason, I still cant get past "RONIN". I really like the pistol otherwise, but even Steven Seagal would blush at that rollmark.

[Trooper224]

Maintenance as in cleaning.

I thought the FLGR was there to prevent "spring bind."

Which is physically impossible.

[MDFA]

I'm really considering the 4.25 in .45 (Because I have a Bunch of Magazines, Ammo Etc.) and getting the plate for an EPS Carry.

I won't ask you all to talk me out of it, because this is P-F and we all know that's not gonna happen...;)

[HeavyDuty]

I'm really considering the 4.25 in .45 (Because I have a Bunch of Magazines, Ammo Etc.) and getting the plate for an EPS Carry.

I won't ask you all to talk me out of it, because this is P-F and we all know that's not gonna happen...;)

I keep having to talk myself out of a 4.25” Emissary AOS in .45 which I want due to it being physically appealing, not because I have a need for a steel frame Commander size .45.

[Trooper224]

I suspect it will come, but I'm not surprised that TRP AOS models were not announced along with the rest of the AOS lineup. The TRP models don't go through the exact same manufacturing and assembly process as the other models because they get quite a bit more hand touch and attention. But at some point it's very possible we'll see AOS TRP models and possibly 9mm TRP models as well. Of course if/when TRP AOS models are announced there will be more complaining about the price point.

Colt needs to pay attention to what Springfield Armory has been doing. I can't speak for all the production line SA models, but the current production TRP and Operator pistols are very good. They may be a little late with the optics-ready offerings but it seems they are doing it right. They are staying relevant. They have a nice website. All the things Colt isn't doing but should be. At this point Springfield Armory deserves to eat Colt's lunch when it comes to 1911s because they're making the investment and producing the goods.

This simply isn't true. Nothing gets a hand touch at Springfield until you get to the Professional level. The TRP doesn't recieve any more fitting than a MilSpec. Nor are the parts of any higher quality. You're paying for extra features, not extra work.

I'm nor criticizing Springfield or the TRP, it's generally a solid pistol. But, don't think you're getting some hand messaged semi-custom. That's hardly the case.

[Robinson]

This simply isn't true. Nothing gets a hand touch at Springfield until you get to the Professional level. The TRP doesn't recieve any more fitting than a MilSpec. Nor are the parts of any higher quality. You're paying for extra features, not extra work.

I'm nor criticizing Springfield or the TRP, it's generally a solid pistol. But, don't think you're getting some hand messaged semi-custom. That's hardly the case.

The Pro is no longer being produced.

For the TRP, Springfield employees select slides and frames to mate together in the most optimal way and the parts are numbered together. I never claimed the TRP is a hand-built custom, far from it. But it does receive more attention than Springfield's other pistols. This was witnessed and reported by Hilton Yam based on his visit to the facility last year. I guess a cynical view might be that the factory was doing that just for the sake of Hilton's visit.

Beyond that, it's not that important a distinction since it is still considered a production pistol. It contains standard fire control parts, some or all of which are indeed MIM. Overall, I have seen an improvement in the quality of those parts over the past 1-2 years.

[Tokarev]

I guess a cynical view might be that the factory was doing that just for the sake of Hilton's visit.

I'd say that's about as unlikely as Biden running for another term in the Oval Office.

I like Hilton and enjoy his content but it isn't like he's Garand Thumb or someone with three million youtu.be subscribers. Even then I couldn't really see Springfield moving people around and making a false production line just for the sake of making a 10 minute video.

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[Trooper224]

The Pro is no longer being produced.

For the TRP, Springfield employees select slides and frames to mate together in the most optimal way and the parts are numbered together. I never claimed the TRP is a hand-built custom, far from it. But it does receive more attention than Springfield's other pistols. This was witnessed and reported by Hilton Yam based on his visit to the facility last year. I guess a cynical view might be that the factory was doing that just for the sake of Hilton's visit.

Beyond that, it's not that important a distinction since it is still considered a production pistol. It contains standard fire control parts, some or all of which are indeed MIM. Overall, I have seen an improvement in the quality of those parts over the past 1-2 years.

Everyone's entitled to their feelings.

For myself, I've come to have a very jaundiced view on many of the things that come out of Hiltons mouth. Too many times have I seen him make a definitive statement in one video, only to present something that directly contradicts it in the next. Example: Springfield is machining some of their best slides and frames ever. Next video, he's gunsmithing a brand new pistol that's siezed up from faulty slide and frame machining. There's being a shill, being biased and just having an immovable opinion. I don't know which one it may be and I don't care. At this point Mr Yam is just more white noise on YouTube.

I've owned plenty of Springfields over the years. I've worn them out, rebuilt them and worn them out again. I think they're as solid as any other production gun. But, they're nothing to get excited over. A TRP will do nothing a Range Officer can't do at a fraction of the cost. The two ROs I bought years ago both had numbered slides, so big deal on that bit of speacialness.

Enjoy your TRP, but just don't think it's a glass of champagne when it's really just a can of PBR.

[Robinson]

Everyone's entitled to their feelings.

For myself, I've come to have a very jaundiced view on many of the things that come out of Hiltons mouth. Too many times have I seen him make a definitive statement in one video, only to present something that directly contradicts it in the next. Example: Springfield is machining some of their best slides and frames ever. Next video, he's gunsmithing a brand new pistol that's siezed up from faulty slide and frame machining. There's being a shill, being biased and just having an immovable opinion. I don't know which one it may be and I don't care. At this point Mr Yam is just more white noise on YouTube.

I've owned plenty of Springfields over the years. I've worn them out, rebuilt them and worn them out again. I think they're as solid as any other production gun. But, they're nothing to get excited over. A TRP will do nothing a Range Officer can't do at a fraction of the cost. The two ROs I bought years ago both had numbered slides, so big deal on that bit of speacialness.

Enjoy your TRP, but just don't think it's a glass of champagne when it's really just a can of PBR.

My feelings aren't really wrapped up in this debate. I appreciate your candor on the subject even if I don't see things exactly the same way.

[MDFA]

Well nobody talked me out of it. Not that I expected anyone would... I have a 4.25 Operator AOS on the way as well as the plate for an EPS Carry.:D

[03RN]

Well nobody talked me out of it. Not that I expected anyone would... I have a 4.25 Operator AOS on the way as well as the plate for an EPS Carry.:D

Good to hear. Can't wait to hear your opinion on it.

[Tokarev]

Well nobody talked me out of it. Not that I expected anyone would... I have a 4.25 Operator AOS on the way as well as the plate for an EPS Carry.:D

45 or 9?

[MDFA]

Good to hear. Can't wait to hear your opinion on it.

Hopefully I'll get to the range tomorrow.

I really like the AOS System and plate. An EPS Carry is just barely wider than a 1911 Slide so it keeps it slim for concealment.

The sights are excellent if needed without obscuring the dot. The thumb safety has a positive engagement and the grip safety is timed well.

Both the 9mm and .45 versions have ramped barrels, mine is .45. The trigger breaks at 6lbs 4oz average, so it needs some work. I like the grip texture and the color is growing on me.

I've fitted a 10-8 slide stop and a WC Bulletproof magazine release.

I was able to find a Milt Sparks Optic Ready Holster for it, which is actually for a Staccato but fits perfectly.

Range Report to follow.

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[MDFA]

Hopefully I'll get to the range tomorrow.

I really like the AOS System and plate. An EPS Carry is just barely wider than a 1911 Slide so it keeps it slim for concealment.

The sights are excellent if needed without obscuring the dot. The thumb safety has a positive engagement and the grip safety is timed well.

Both the 9mm and .45 versions have ramped barrels, mine is .45. The trigger breaks at 6lbs 4oz average, so it needs some work. I like the grip texture and the color is growing on me.

I've fitted a 10-8 slide stop and a WC Bulletproof magazine release.

I was able to find a Milt Sparks Optic Ready Holster for it, which is actually for a Staccato but fits perfectly.

Range Report to follow.

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[MDFA]

Sorry for the Double Tap.

[HeavyDuty]

That looks great, MDFA!

[TOTS]

This is me hitting the like button!

[MDFA]

This is me hitting the like button!

Thanks:D What the hell happened to the like button anyway?

[MDFA]

So I put 200 rounds through it today. The target is getting the EPS Carry sighted in at 15 and 25 yards standing unsupported with Black Hills 185 gr Barnes XTP +P. I also did some Double Taps and Failure To Stop Drills on another target. 2 FTF with 200gr SWC out of some old training mags. I'm pleased with it considering this was the first time out with it.

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