A.Uberti 44Mag

[That Guy]

While searching used firearms for sale, I stumbled on this thing. The revolver appears to be, if I am not mistaken, an 1873 Cattleman, except it has modern sights and it is chambered for .44 Magnum. The ad doesn't really have any information besides "A.Uberti 44Mag", a few photos, and a price that seems quite reasonable. I imagine someone here knows more about these revolvers? Like do these actually hold up to firing factory .44 Magnum ammunition? Or anything else worth knowing about these things?

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Thanks in advance for your help.

[awp_101]

It looks like what is now being sold as the Uberti Callahan. Without knowing how old it is, the build quality could range from pretty good to soft screws or internals. So far "Western Arms" hasn't turned up any results. It's not a Great Western perhaps it could be an early version of American Western Arms (AWA)?

I'd ask these guys HERE (https://singleactions.proboards.com/board/9/single-action-revolvers).

No idea on longevity with magnum ammo, my handgun .44 interest starts with .44 Russian and ends with .44 Special. :D

[That Guy]

It looks like what is now being sold as the Uberti Callahan. Without knowing how old it is, the build quality could range from pretty good to soft screws or internals.

Uberti Callahan seems about right: https://ubertifirearms.com/uberti-1873-cattleman-callahan-target-revolver-u349223-44-mag-7-5-walnut-grips-steel-blue-finish-2/

I don't suppose anyone would know of any serial number ranges that would indicate whether the gun being sold is one of the pretty good ones, or pretty soft ones?

[Malamute]

Uberti Callahan seems about right: https://ubertifirearms.com/uberti-1873-cattleman-callahan-target-revolver-u349223-44-mag-7-5-walnut-grips-steel-blue-finish-2/

I don't suppose anyone would know of any serial number ranges that would indicate whether the gun being sold is one of the pretty good ones, or pretty soft ones?


Most of Uberti guns used a date code. Google "Uberti date codes" and it should turn up the charts. They are normally a 2 letter code in a square, just be advised some charts are easier to use than others.

The soft parts are screws, if they become a problem from distorted head/screw slots from use there are complete sets of upgraded screws available for them. In general traditonal SA revolvers should be regularly checked for screw tightness. Colt used to sell little round pocket screwdrivers with 3 sizes of tips, the larger 2 worked well on SAs, the smaller was for the tiny adjustable sight screws I believe.

I wouldnt be too concerned about the gun in general if its not loose. I have no idea how much full power magnum loads it will take, possibly more than you can, but I shoot mainly medium loads in 44 magnums, so one would likely last me half a lifetime or more of regular use.

[That Guy]

Thank you!

[Malamute]

... So far "Western Arms" hasn't turned up any results. It's not a Great Western perhaps it could be an early version of American Western Arms (AWA)?...


Western Arms imported Ubertu guns in the 1970s in Sante Fe NM from what I could find. The company had some issue with Winchester, dissolved the company under that name and reformed as Allen Arms, known for high quality Uberti guns finished a bit better than average. I believe that company eventually became Cimarron.

I had an Allen Arms 2nd Dragoon for a while, it was very well made and finished. I regret selling it, but ended up with a Colt black box 3rd Dragoon, so theres that.

I wouldnt be concerned in general about the gun, and I believe parts are either going to be drop in current Uberti parts or require minor fitting if you ever wear anything out. It looks like a basic SAA type gun with adjustable sights and probably 1860 Army size grip straps which are a bit longer than normal SAA grip straps.

[jh9]

copied from the internet over the years:



Italian date codes
1960 = XVI
1961 = XVII
1962 = XVIII
1963 = XIX
1964 = XX
1965 = XXI
1966 = XXII
1967 = XXIII
1968 = XXIV
1969 = XXV
1970 = XXVI
1971 = XX7
1972 = XX8
1973 = XX9
1974 = XXX
1975 = AA
1976 = AB
1977 = AC
1978 = AD
1979 = AE
1980 = AF
1981 = AH
1982 = AI
1983 = AL
1984 = AM
1985 = AN
1986 = AP
1987 = AS
1988 = AT
1989 = AU
1990 = AZ
1991 = BA
1992 = BB
1993 = BC
1994 = BD
1995 = BF
1996 = BH
1997 = BI
1998 = BL
1999 = BM
2000 = BN
2001 = BP
2002 = BS
2003 = BT
2004 = BU
2005 = BZ
2006 = CA
2007 = CB
2008 = CC
2009 = CD
2010 = CF
'''


https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=548563
'''
CH would be 2011
CI would be 2012
CL would be 2013
CM would be 2014
'''

The newer stuff has a numeric date code, just the last 2 digits of the year. like "24". Don't know when that started.

The stamps seem to vary in location. Some of the SAA copies I've seen it on the underside of the barrel or on the bottom of the frame next to the serial number. Depending on model and year, I guess? My Pietta 1858 has the date code on the right side of the frame, above the triggerguard. Which seems to have later migrated to the right side of the frame, behind the barrel.

[Lost River]

It looks like what is now being sold as the Uberti Callahan. Without knowing how old it is, the build quality could range from pretty good to soft screws or internals. So far "Western Arms" hasn't turned up any results. It's not a Great Western perhaps it could be an early version of American Western Arms (AWA)?

I'd ask these guys HERE (https://singleactions.proboards.com/board/9/single-action-revolvers).

No idea on longevity with magnum ammo, my handgun .44 interest starts with .44 Russian and ends with .44 Special. :D


This is what I was producing earlier...

https://i.imgur.com/7YLak2Al.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7DalF1Sl.jpg

I don't normally get too excited about loading, as I do it all the time, but stuff like the heavy .45 ACP predator loads, and this .44 Russian and exceptions. This Russian load is the most accurate big bore load I have ever shot. Stupid low recoil makes it fun and the big cookie cutter holes are just super satisfying.


https://i.imgur.com/3CRkgJUl.jpg

[Oldherkpilot]

This is what I was producing earlier...

https://i.imgur.com/7YLak2Al.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7DalF1Sl.jpg

I don't normally get too excited about loading, as I do it all the time, but stuff like the heavy .45 ACP predator loads, and this .44 Russian and exceptions. This Russian load is the most accurate big bore load I have ever shot. Stupid low recoil makes it fun and the big cookie cutter holes are just super satisfying.


https://i.imgur.com/3CRkgJUl.jpg

I really appreciate you putting me onto the Russian. I use a 200 gr wadcutter and can almost see the holes at 50 yds with the naked eye. Plus a pound of powder goes a loooonnngg way with the charges involved. Thanks for great tip that didn't wreck the bank.

[okie john]

copied from the internet over the years:



Italian date codes
1960 = XVI
1961 = XVII
1962 = XVIII
1963 = XIX
1964 = XX
1965 = XXI
1966 = XXII
1967 = XXIII
1968 = XXIV
1969 = XXV
1970 = XXVI
1971 = XX7
1972 = XX8
1973 = XX9
1974 = XXX
1975 = AA
1976 = AB
1977 = AC
1978 = AD
1979 = AE
1980 = AF
1981 = AH
1982 = AI
1983 = AL
1984 = AM
1985 = AN
1986 = AP
1987 = AS
1988 = AT
1989 = AU
1990 = AZ
1991 = BA
1992 = BB
1993 = BC
1994 = BD
1995 = BF
1996 = BH
1997 = BI
1998 = BL
1999 = BM
2000 = BN
2001 = BP
2002 = BS
2003 = BT
2004 = BU
2005 = BZ
2006 = CA
2007 = CB
2008 = CC
2009 = CD
2010 = CF
'''


https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=548563
'''
CH would be 2011
CI would be 2012
CL would be 2013
CM would be 2014
'''

The newer stuff has a numeric date code, just the last 2 digits of the year. like "24". Don't know when that started.

The stamps seem to vary in location. Some of the SAA copies I've seen it on the underside of the barrel or on the bottom of the frame next to the serial number. Depending on model and year, I guess? My Pietta 1858 has the date code on the right side of the frame, above the triggerguard. Which seems to have later migrated to the right side of the frame, behind the barrel.

I love that an Italian firm used Roman numerals in their date codes.


Okie John

[That Guy]

This is what I was producing earlier...


Man, every time you post something related to the ammo you make I get ammo envy... :pHave you ever considered offering your products as "kits"? :) Your website is just chock full of the kinds of ammo I wish I could have, but is completely unavailable here. I can't import ammo from abroad, but I don't see a reason I couldn't import bullets and brass... Then I'd just have to add a primer and a bit of powder and voilá. "Some assembly required."

(Yes, this might be a silly idea and yes, I am way off topic - but hey, I started this thread, so there! :) )