From P-T, SLG and the P32.

[PNWTO]

Will be interesting to follow, I’ve had a P32 in and out of the cart various times in the past few weeks.

Although I don’t think a little thing like the P32 is necessarily a fair candidate for such a beating, I’m curious.

P32 Torture Test. (https://pistol-training.com/p32-torture-test/)

[Duelist]

My brother has had one for decades, and carries it. I got one about ten years ago because it was used and in the case for $100. I have probably shot it less than 500 rounds but more than 300. It has not failed.

I don’t carry it unless it’s the only gun that will work, but sometimes it’s the only gun that will work, and it does the needful on those days.

Not the most accurate gun I own, but accurate enough for what it’s for. POI is to the right of POA.

[BillSWPA]

I probably have approximately 1,500 rounds through my P-32. Somewhere between 900 and 1,000 rounds, I noticed that the firing pin spring stopped doing its job, and replaced it with a Wolff extra power firing pin spring. That spring has not resulted in any light strikes. If I recall correctly, I also had to replace the spring which holds the takedown pin in place as well as biasing the slide hold open up.

In my opinion guns of this size should have their recoil springs replaced more often than full size semiautos. Since recoil springs are much cheaper than new guns, I would prefer to change about every 1,000 rounds. I cannot claim any science behind that number, but I have noticed that smaller guns tend to develop problems sooner than larger guns, and changing springs seems to solve these problems.

Before tiny .380s became common, my P-32 was my primary NPE gun. Although it is larger than Seecamp and North American Arms .32 pistols, the lighter weight helps it to conceal better than either. It remains the best choice for anyone who needs something really tiny and does not want .380 recoil in that package.

Years ago, someone modified a P-32 to use his handloaded +++++++P ammunition. While I do not recommend trying that at home or anywhere else, it apparently went well. The fact that essentially the same gun handles .380 with a slightly heavier recoil spring and minor dimensional changes also indicates a likelihood of durability.

I would not be surprised if issues develop during this test but overall I predict the results will be positive.

[awp_101]

Shortly after my acquisition of the P32, Craig Douglas and I were discussing the gun and Craig told me he was doing some PCP. Since he was a narc for a while, I needed a little clarification.
ROFL!

[MVS]

I saw that as well and thought back to Craigs thread here and checked to see if it had been updated lately. This is going to sound silly but I have been watching a lot of Have Gun Will Travel lately on Pluto and thinking I should really get a hideout derringer. This could be that gun.

[DamonL]

Link to the other thread on this subject.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?59160-The-Patterned-Compliance-Pistol

[BillSWPA]

My brother has had one for decades, and carries it. I got one about ten years ago because it was used and in the case for $100. I have probably shot it less than 500 rounds but more than 300. It has not failed.

I don’t carry it unless it’s the only gun that will work, but sometimes it’s the only gun that will work, and it does the needful on those days.

Not the most accurate gun I own, but accurate enough for what it’s for. POI is to the right of POA.

My P-32 originally shot 4-5 inches to the right at 20-30 feet (cannot remember exactly which distance but it was off considerably). A gunsmith removed some material from the left side of the hole in the slide that supports the muzzle, and welded some material to the right side of this hole. This fixed the problem.

That gunsmith is unfortunately no longer in business, but if you can find one who is good with welding, the issue can be fixed.

[Corse]

I probably have approximately 1,500 rounds through my P-32. Somewhere between 900 and 1,000 rounds, I noticed that the firing pin spring stopped doing its job, and replaced it with a Wolff extra power firing pin spring. That spring has not resulted in any light strikes. If I recall correctly, I also had to replace the spring which holds the takedown pin in place as well as biasing the slide hold open up.

In my opinion guns of this size should have their recoil springs replaced more often than full size semiautos. Since recoil springs are much cheaper than new guns, I would prefer to change about every 1,000 rounds. I cannot claim any science behind that number, but I have noticed that smaller guns tend to develop problems sooner than larger guns, and changing springs seems to solve these problems.

Before tiny .380s became common, my P-32 was my primary NPE gun. Although it is larger than Seecamp and North American Arms .32 pistols, the lighter weight helps it to conceal better than either. It remains the best choice for anyone who needs something really tiny and does not want .380 recoil in that package.

Years ago, someone modified a P-32 to use his handloaded +++++++P ammunition. While I do not recommend trying that at home or anywhere else, it apparently went well. The fact that essentially the same gun handles .380 with a slightly heavier recoil spring and minor dimensional changes also indicates a likelihood of durability.

I would not be surprised if issues develop during this test but overall I predict the results will be positive.

I agree on the springs, it seems to be the standard for small guns. What was your preferred carry method?

[3-7-77]

I bought one several months back that shot 3-4" right at seven yards and off my C-zone size steel target. The sights were visible milled way off. Kel-tec sent me a new slide in a week with a shipping label to return the bad one. The sights on the new slide are still a tad off but I can at least keep them on steel back to 15 yards with Kentucky windage. I'd like to get it milled for dovetail sights that you can actually use, but for my intended use of the gun it's just not worth the money. As far as reliability goes, no issues thus far.

[BillSWPA]

I agree on the springs, it seems to be the standard for small guns. What was your preferred carry method?

When carrying it as a primary, strong side front pocket. C. Rusty Sherrick and Tuff Products both make pocket holsters which carry a spare magazine at an angle, with the feed lips below the trigger guard. For a gun this small, this is a good way to have a spare magazine while keeping all the gun stuff in one pocket.

When carrying it as a backup, either weak side front pocket or ankle. I have used Alessi and C. Rusty Sherrick ankle holsters. I am currently using a Galco Ankle Lite when I carry my P3AT on my ankle.

I have never seriously tried pocket carry. When I tried it once with my North American Arms Guardian .380, the backstrap and slide were visible if someone was looking down at the top of the pocket. However, SouthNarc makes a really good case for back pocket carry in the Patterned Compliance Pistol thread, so I need to give it a second, more extensive look.

[TheNewbie]

How much are you all seeing these sell for now?


On gun.deals I see prices of around $400. Which seems more expensive that what you would think.

[TCinVA]

I probably have approximately 1,500 rounds through my P-32. Somewhere between 900 and 1,000 rounds, I noticed that the firing pin spring stopped doing its job, and replaced it with a Wolff extra power firing pin spring. That spring has not resulted in any light strikes. If I recall correctly, I also had to replace the spring which holds the takedown pin in place as well as biasing the slide hold open up.

In my opinion guns of this size should have their recoil springs replaced more often than full size semiautos. Since recoil springs are much cheaper than new guns, I would prefer to change about every 1,000 rounds. I cannot claim any science behind that number, but I have noticed that smaller guns tend to develop problems sooner than larger guns, and changing springs seems to solve these problems.


That's a sound strategy in general with any of these micro pistols.

When I dusted my LCP off to make it my PCP, I upgraded it with a new recoil spring, guide rod, and takedown pin from MCarbo (https://www.mcarbo.com/ruger-lcp-upgrade-accessories.aspx). My LCP had always been reliable, but I hadn't shot it in years or replaced any wear parts since the initial break-in and testing I did with it when I first purchased. I haven't shot the gun a ton because that's not what they are for, but it has run reliably with carry ammo and FMJ for a few hundred after the upgrades.

[MVS]

How much are you all seeing these sell for now?


On gun.deals I see prices of around $400. Which seems more expensive that what you would think.

Just under $300 new, but they can be hard to come by.

[Sherman A. House DDS]

I’ve wanted to try the PCP concept and after talking to Craig about it, ai opted for this. I’ll post more once I get some rounds through it.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240801/dcf35ee24c7d59d2ae53826a2eccc161.jpg


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[BillSWPA]

Recognizing that I probably sound like a broken record on this point, in my experience a P-32 needs 11 lb. recoil springs to ensure good feeding on the first shot when the gun is loaded with 7+1. When the gun is loaded to its maximum capacity, the rim of the top round can catch in the groove of the next round. This is not a rimlock, but is enough to cause a failure to feed. 11 lb. springs overcome this issue.

I keep bringing this up because I do not want anyone to find that their fully loaded gun just became a single shot at the wrong time.

[thatguybryan]

I don’t care too much about the p32, but I’m super happy to see more long term testing being done. Hopefully this continues. I’d love to see a staccato or glock gen 5 or similar modern gun go through the 50k+ testing done by Todd and Ernie Langdon.

[feudist]

For your PCP pleasure.
https://www.wbrc.com/video/2024/07/11/gas-station-shootout-caught-camera/

I can't find any details or even a news story with my search-fu.

[SouthNarc]

For your PCP pleasure.
https://www.wbrc.com/video/2024/07/11/gas-station-shootout-caught-camera/

I can't find any details or even a news story with my search-fu.

Obviously he missed but that was not badly done especially from the front pocket. He definitely got rounds off first at gunpoint.

[nate89]

I’ve wanted to try the PCP concept and after talking to Craig about it, ai opted for this. I’ll post more once I get some rounds through it.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240801/dcf35ee24c7d59d2ae53826a2eccc161.jpg


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I got a tomcat a year or two ago during the rebate, and also recently got a p32 used at a local shop (haven't had a chance to shoot the p32 yet, maybe next week). My understanding was the p32 was an option simply due to how thin and overall tiny it was. my tomcat is quite wide in the slide, and not lightweight at all. Was reliability the man factor for you? Or what was the reason to go with the 30x over a p32, or even something else with a thinner profile?

[Sherman A. House DDS]

I got a tomcat a year or two ago during the rebate, and also recently got a p32 used at a local shop (haven't had a chance to shoot the p32 yet, maybe next week). My understanding was the p32 was an option simply due to how thin and overall tiny it was. my tomcat is quite wide in the slide, and not lightweight at all. Was reliability the man factor for you? Or what was the reason to go with the 30x over a p32, or even something else with a thinner profile?

It’s been awhile since I handled a Tomcat, but this 30X feels more sveldt.

I like the .32 ACP, but I DONT like that the P32 is small. The PCP utilization is a finesse move. Fumble the grab, and it’ll be a problem. I feel like I’m less likely to blow it with this.

Back in my armored truck days, I carried a Beretta 21 as my holdout piece, in a similar capacity for when I got caught dead to rights/flat footed. The 21 is a big gun, and I still have it. I feel like this is the same idea, just SLIGHTLY bigger.


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[TheNewbie]

If the Beretta 30x can be converted to DAO, it would be even more interesting for someone like me.


I’m thinking it might be possible.

[nate89]

It’s been awhile since I handled a Tomcat, but this 30X feels more sveldt.

I like the .32 ACP, but I DONT like that the P32 is small. The PCP utilization is a finesse move. Fumble the grab, and it’ll be a problem. I feel like I’m less likely to blow it with this.

Back in my armored truck days, I carried a Beretta 21 as my holdout piece, in a similar capacity for when I got caught dead to rights/flat footed. The 21 is a big gun, and I still have it. I feel like this is the same idea, just SLIGHTLY bigger.


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Thanks so much for the explanation! I have not handled the new 30x, I just know the slide on my tomcat is pretty thick. That makes a lot of sense as far as fumbling the draw-it's a much easier gun to get a firing grip on vs the p32. I've just being doing some dry work with the p32 out of a pocket and if you don't take the time you need to grabbing it, it absolutely can come out funny. Perhaps I should give the 30x more of a look. I assumed it was "tomcat with better sights and mag release," but seems more like a redesign.

[TCinVA]

For your PCP pleasure.
https://www.wbrc.com/video/2024/07/11/gas-station-shootout-caught-camera/

I can't find any details or even a news story with my search-fu.

The one good thing about a robbery like that is the bad guy expects you to go to where weapons come from and produce goodies rather than bullet wounds to the face. He sold it with the body language of "Not this shit again"

That video also goes to show the necessity of working on the finer points of your PCP draw because missing even at arm's length is a thing. Hence Craig's paid coursework on it.

[TCinVA]

It’s been awhile since I handled a Tomcat, but this 30X feels more sveldt.

I can confirm, having handled the updated version at Beretta HQ late last year before they launched it.

It feels thinner in the hand, I assume mainly due to the revised stocks on the pistol...but the other dimensions had no significant changes or that's what I remember being told.

[SouthNarc]

I got a tomcat a year or two ago during the rebate, and also recently got a p32 used at a local shop (haven't had a chance to shoot the p32 yet, maybe next week). My understanding was the p32 was an option simply due to how thin and overall tiny it was. my tomcat is quite wide in the slide, and not lightweight at all. Was reliability the man factor for you? Or what was the reason to go with the 30x over a p32, or even something else with a thinner profile?

Here’s another reason.

Sherman is a big motherfucker.🤷🏻*♂️

[PNWTO]

I can confirm, having handled the updated version at Beretta HQ late last year before they launched it.

It feels thinner in the hand, I assume mainly due to the revised stocks on the pistol...but the other dimensions had no significant changes or that's what I remember being told.

Forgive the drift, but did you get any assurance or vibe that the longevity issues had been addressed?

[Sherman A. House DDS]

Here’s another reason.

Sherman is a big motherfucker.[emoji1744]*[emoji3603]

‘Tis true. Nobody has ever accused me of lightly shadowing their doorway.


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[TCinVA]

Forgive the drift, but did you get any assurance or vibe that the longevity issues had been addressed?

That was one of the stated intentions behind the redesign.

[Corse]

I think if I was going to move to something bigger than the P32, the Kahr 380’s would be it. It’s basically the same size, only slightly thicker.

[DrkBlue]

I think if I was going to move to something bigger than the P32, the Kahr 380’s would be it. It’s basically the same size, only slightly thicker.

My experience with Kahrs has been mixed. I eventually shot out a PM9:frame (8000+ rounds) but also had a Kahr 40 barrel unscrew on me at a moderate round count.

Does anyone have high round count and long-term use with the Kahr 380s? I like the form factor but worry about the reliability.

[Corse]

My experience with Kahrs has been mixed. I eventually shot out a PM9:frame (8000+ rounds) but also had a Kahr 40 barrel unscrew on me at a moderate round count.

Does anyone have high round count and long-term use with the Kahr 380s? I like the form factor but worry about the reliability.

Well, I have one, I’m not sure if I’ll get anywhere near 8,000 rds anytime soon though. It does seem way better made than the Keltec’s.

[Gun Mutt]

Does anyone have high round count and long-term use with the Kahr 380s? I like the form factor but worry about the reliability.

Clusterfrack covers the Kahr .380 here (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?50494-Mouseguns&highlight=Kahr).

[Clusterfrack]

The p380 is what I've settled on for my mousegun. The ergos are better than anything else I've tried, and at least in my hands it shoots like a much bigger gun (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?50494-Mouseguns&p=1295471&viewfull=1#post1295471). After some mods, my two have been reliable. A very stiff RSA is especially important, and needs to be replaced every ~500 rounds. That makes the p380 very difficult to rack. My 2 don't have super high round counts, but after around 1K each I'm not seeing any concerning signs of wear.
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?50494-Mouseguns&p=1292887&viewfull=1#post1292887


I think if I was going to move to something bigger than the P32, the Kahr 380’s would be it. It’s basically the same size, only slightly thicker.


My experience with Kahrs has been mixed. I eventually shot out a PM9:frame (8000+ rounds) but also had a Kahr 40 barrel unscrew on me at a moderate round count.

Does anyone have high round count and long-term use with the Kahr 380s? I like the form factor but worry about the reliability.


Clusterfrack covers the Kahr .380 here (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?50494-Mouseguns&highlight=Kahr).

[Clusterfrack]

Here's what I've learned and figured out:

1. Series A serial numbers may be irredeemable. Some series B p380s may need to go back to the factory, but both of mine are reliable after the below modifications:

2. New, updated recoil springs (RS) are a must. The p380 seems to require very heavy recoil springs, and only the updated ones work. As well, they need to be replaced regularly--maybe as often as 500-1000 rounds. Buy extra. Installation of the updated springs is a challenge because the resting length before "set" is much longer than the slide. Use eyepro! I held the slide over the edge of a table, and that helped. Because the springs are so stiff, no female has succeeded in racking my p380s.

3. New mag springs. If you have FTFs after replacing the RS, that's probably the cause. Buy extra.

4. Polishing the inside of the lower barrel lug (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?50494-Mouseguns&p=1293083&viewfull=1#post1293083), and the slide stop rod where they interface. I used a Q-tip with polishing compound spun in a drill. Make sure to lube this area. I use a small amount of Lucas grease.

5. While superficially Glocklike, the p380 requires 1911 levels of lubrication.

6. The following parts may help, but are probably not needed:
Tool steel striker
https://lakelinellc.com/shop/ultimat...r-380-pistols/

Striker guide
https://gallowayprecision.com/kahr/c...d-p380-pistols

After all this, I have not had any malfunctions of any kind*.

Is the p380 worth it? I think so. In my hands it shoots like a much bigger gun (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?50494-Mouseguns&p=1295471&viewfull=1#post1295471), and way better than a LCP.

*note: light strikes caused by clogged striker hole after ~200 rounds of dirty ammo.

[PNWTO]

First post.

https://pistol-training.com/p32-tuesday-1/

[CCT125US]

So who's on GB bidding these things up? Anyone win one?

[helothar]

So who's on GB bidding these things up? Anyone win one?

Gunbroker prices on these are full on nuts, I've seen several used ones over retail (which I believe is supposed to be $300)

[PNWTO]

Second post. (https://pistol-training.com/p32-tuesday-2/)

To be fair, I didn’t expect it to make 500 rounds without choking.

[BillSWPA]

Second post. (https://pistol-training.com/p32-tuesday-2/)

To be fair, I didn’t expect it to make 500 rounds without choking.

The biggest good surprise is shooting a completely stock gun loaded with a full magazine plus the chamber and not experiencing first shot jams. My first generation gun would not do that without more powerful recoil springs. Hopefully the second generation guns have addressed that issue? I know of other Kel-Tec owners who have needed heavier recoil springs.

Very happy that this test is going so well.

[WDR]

Second post. (https://pistol-training.com/p32-tuesday-2/)

To be fair, I didn’t expect it to make 500 rounds without choking.


The biggest good surprise is shooting a completely stock gun loaded with a full magazine plus the chamber and not experiencing first shot jams. My first generation gun would not do that without more powerful recoil springs. Hopefully the second generation guns have addressed that issue? I know of other Kel-Tec owners who have needed heavier recoil springs.

Very happy that this test is going so well.

My 1st gen and 2nd gen guns never had issues with full mags +1 and feeding, using Fiocchi 73gr ball. Stock springs, OEM 7rd mags. Sometimes I wish I had kept one or both of those guns. I did just pick up a LCP II .22 that so far is working well (only about 300 rounds through it so far). IMHO the LCP trigger feels better, and has a shorter stroke than the KelTec guns did.

I did have some light strikes initially with my 2nd Gen, but it was a burr on the firing pin, and a couple passes with a file, a quick polish of the surfaces that'd drag, and that went away.

[helothar]

edit: oos

[PNWTO]

Third post. (https://pistol-training.com/p32-tuesday-3/)

My unprofessional lay opinion- 750 problem free means it’s probably more than good enough for us low-drama W-2 collectors.

[BillSWPA]

This test is going to change some opinions about these pistols. I am watching with interest.

[WDR]

This test is going to change some opinions about these pistols. I am watching with interest.

People have always poopoo'd Kel-Tec pistols, but I had good luck with several, back when I was young and poor. For an inexpensive brand/gun, I'd take one of these over the other cheap options on the market. I put thousands of rounds through a P-11 back when Winchester White box was $9.99/100 at Walmart, and quite a bit of RA9TA (127gr +P+ ... probably a bad idea!) through that same gun. I shot somewhere north of 1000 rounds through each of two different P-32's as well. The second .32 might have had closer to 2000-2500 rounds... I didn't keep track, and shot it often. A local shop carried the 73gr Fiocchi FMJ load in bulk, for cheap back then.

I don't currently have any, but a new P-32 has been tempting me, and the PCP concept hasn't helped with that temptation. I just snagged a LCP .22 that so far seems to be a likely challenger for that role.

[Sal Picante]

p/B_qVlhAJGf_
I carry mine daily...

[helothar]

p/B_qVlhAJGf_
I carry mine daily...

those sights look awesome, unfortunately the work is listed as out of stock at innovative arms, does anyone else do sight work on these?

[BillSWPA]

those sights look awesome, unfortunately the work is listed as out of stock at innovative arms, does anyone else do sight work on these?

I have no personal experience with this company but ToolTech Gunsight, which used to do similar tritium sights, recommends them.

https://www.amerigunusa.com/

[helothar]

I have no personal experience with this company but ToolTech Gunsight, which used to do similar tritium sights, recommends them.

https://www.amerigunusa.com/

thanks! sent them an email, i'll see what they say

[nate89]

thanks! sent them an email, i'll see what they say

If you could confirm here if they do this work still I would appreciate it-I like the idea of some better sights on mine.

[helothar]

If you could confirm here if they do this work still I would appreciate it-I like the idea of some better sights on mine.

will do! i've also got an email out to innovative arms that i sent about a week ago inquiring if they are going to ever resume the p32 sight work, no response yet from them

[wmu12071]

those sights look awesome, unfortunately the work is listed as out of stock at innovative arms, does anyone else do sight work on these?

Innovative did mine when they showed out of stock. I just emailed and asked about it and they added me to a wait list.

[Joe Mac]

Innovative did mine when they showed out of stock. I just emailed and asked about it and they added me to a wait list.

Thanks; I'm going to email them. My LCP-II hasn't left the safe since I got my LCP Custom and installed an Ameriglo front on it. The II has been very reliable for well over 1K rounds, and deserves these sights.

[3-7-77]

disregard

[Polecat]

You guys with the juice need to convince Ruger, Sig, Walther to offer some new .32s for the pocket. No the PPK is a brick. Back righ5 before the LCP .22 came out there was talk of a .32, which never came to pass. The .32 is so much more pleasant to shoot in these little guns, dare I say fun even. In FMJ I doubt the .32 gives up much to the .380.

[nate89]

You guys with the juice need to convince Ruger, Sig, Walther to offer some new .32s for the pocket. No the PPK is a brick. Back righ5 before the LCP .22 came out there was talk of a .32, which never came to pass. The .32 is so much more pleasant to shoot in these little guns, dare I say fun even. In FMJ I doubt the .32 gives up much to the .380.

I would really like to see more of the polymer pocket pistols in 32. I don't know how the magazine would work, but a LCP max in 32 would have to hold at least 12-13 rounds in the flush mag, and still be a reasonable pocket gun. The difference in shooting a p32 and an LCP in 380 is significant to me, and perhaps with more choices in guns we'd see greater availability and lower cost of basic FMJ 32.

[Sherman A. House DDS]

I wish Glock would make a 42 sized pistol in .32 ACP. That would be fantastic.


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[Polecat]

A tinier pocket Gock would be awesome, like zero recoil. They would print money, especially if they went to a metal mag.

I took Chuck Haggard’s pocket rocket course, and loved it, but I feel most all of us upsized, not wanting to be that guy, that actually pulled out a P32, or LCP. Most had snubs. Still there was solid info and great tips.

I have been shooting my tiny guns more, at realistic ranges. One has to be more deliberate about everything with these little guns though. Good grip, muzzle awareness and overall safety. And a realistic expectation of how and when exactly would you employ one.

[Joe Mac]

FYI: I just heard back from Innovative Arms; they're currently busy with suppressor orders and not taking orders for the sight upgrade, but put me on a notification list for when they open it up again. Since they use a Trijicon P226 front for this, I'm hoping they could also use an Ameriglo SIG front for the project (I'd send them one with the pistol, if need be), as my middle-aged eyes greatly prefer an orange ring...

[60167]

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I went into the gun shop for one thing and I walked out with these two things. The P32 was at a price that I couldn’t pass up. I’ve always wanted a seecamp so that is what it is.

[SouthNarc]

Simon’s at 1340 with 0 stoppages, and 0 lube or maintenance.

https://pistol-training.com/p32-tuesday-9/

[WDR]

Simon’s at 1340 with 0 stoppages, and 0 lube or maintenance.

https://pistol-training.com/p32-tuesday-9/

Fairly impressive for a small, "cheap" gun without refreshing lube... but no surprising to me, as I really didn't have many problems with the ones I had. And I keep thinking I need to buy another... again.

[jandbj]

Simon’s at 1340 with 0 stoppages, and 0 lube or maintenance.

https://pistol-training.com/p32-tuesday-9/

Craig,

Any additional PCP insights to add to your thread?

[SouthNarc]

Craig,

Any additional PCP insights to add to your thread?

Probably in a couple of weeks when I get off this next run.👍🏽

[Brian T]

I wish Glock would make a 42 sized pistol in .32 ACP. That would be fantastic.


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Or the S&W Bodyguard 2.0 in .32acp.... woof, I'd buy one or two.

[BillSWPA]

Results at 1997 rounds

https://pistol-training.com/p32-tuesday-12/

I have been a big fan of the P-32 since buying mine in 1999. Even so, I am pleasantly surprised by the results. I would not have expected this little pocket pistol to function well this long without cleaning, lubrication, or recoil spring changes. I probably sound like a broken record with my constant recommendation of using 11 lb. Wolff recoil springs, and I would have changed those springs at least twice in that number of rounds. This gun functioned well with a single set of 9 lb. springs.

This test and SouthNarc’s Patterned Compliance Pistol system really show this gun to be under-appreciated.