Inexpensive Singles & doubles?

[Dov]

There aren't new NEF Singleshot gauges being made anymore correct?

Anything on new market roughly comparable?

You can get two singles for about same $ as any double right?

[Outpost75]

The Turkish copies of the Beretta folding single-shot are ideal for what you want. Sold under various private labels, Hatfield, etc. About $150.

[Dov]

So models like this?

https://www.charlesdaly.com/category/gun/shotgun/single-barrel

https://www.huntinggearguy.com/shotgun-reviews/charles-daly-101-folding-single-shot-shotgun-review/




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhA7HunEVio

[JHC]

So models like this?

https://www.charlesdaly.com/category/gun/shotgun/single-barrel

https://www.huntinggearguy.com/shotgun-reviews/charles-daly-101-folding-single-shot-shotgun-review/




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhA7HunEVio

At the Charles Daley site the specs indicate the 12 ga model's weight as "2.3". Think that's right????

[Half Moon]

At the Charles Daley site the specs indicate the 12 ga model's weight as "2.3". Think that's right????

Probably kilograms. That would put it right around 5 pounds which seems about right.

[Sherman A. House DDS]

I haven’t seen those Charles Daly singles before. Those look handy. And with them being a folding type, it might be useful to get one and have the barrel and LOP cut for travel. Wouldn’t be a bad hotel gun/animal euthanasia/pest control/boarder repellent tool.


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[BobM]

I’ve been keeping my eyes on used racks at gun shops for an H&R or NEF 12 gauge for several months without seeing any. I have a 16 I bought new about 1984 and a 20 I got used over ten years ago.

[Redhat]

Henry shows single shots on their site.

MSRP is NOT cheap though.

Savage also has singles that look like the old H&R's for around $200 MSRP.

[Dov]

At the Charles Daley site the specs indicate the 12 ga model's weight as "2.3". Think that's right????

From the youtube and website review I linked https://www.huntinggearguy.com/shotgun-reviews/charles-daly-101-folding-single-shot-shotgun-review/ above:


Specs:

Comes chambered in .410, 20 gauge, and 12 gauge

.410 with 14″ barrel: 4.22lbs
20 gauge with 26″ barrel: 5.17 lbs
12 gauge with 20″ barrel: 4.96lbs

No rib on the barrel

Use Beretta/Benelli Mobil chokes

Plastic buttpad

Steel sling studs (nice to see on a cheap shotgun like this)

Cheek riser on both sides

Cross bolt safety

Trigger weight: ~7lbs


I wouldn't want to shoot the 12 with any full power loads at this point in life :eek:

I was thinking the Fiocchi 9 pellet No 1 buckshot for defense with the 12

But I was also interested in the 410 since these come with choke tubes even in 410. So for a camp/car/ATV/bushplane survival gun it might be useful.

The 410 with OOO buckshot loads for defense, birdshot for small game gathering (thinking survival not wingshooting), even the little 110 grain 410 slug might(?) useful for some niche in that situation.

[JTMcC]

Quick question, where do you draw the line between inexpensive/expensive?

There are a lot of older, solid SXS guns that the upper crust won't consider, but are very reliable guns.
Of course they are more than 150 bucks.

[JTMcC]

From the youtube and website review I linked https://www.huntinggearguy.com/shotgun-reviews/charles-daly-101-folding-single-shot-shotgun-review/ above:



I wouldn't want to shoot the 12 with any full power loads at this point in life :eek:

I was thinking the Fiocchi 9 pellet No 1 buckshot for defense with the 12

But I was also interested in the 410 since these come with choke tubes even in 410. So for a camp/car/ATV/bushplane survival gun it might be useful.

The 410 with OOO buckshot loads for defense, birdshot for small game gathering (thinking survival not wingshooting), even the little 110 grain 410 slug might(?) useful for some niche in that situation.

410's are an expert type gun imo.
12 or 20 ga. offer several lower recoil shells, weight is your friend in the recoil department.

My SXS's recoil significantly more than my gas operated semi's if recoil is a concern. My 16 ga. featherweight SXS comes back (with light loads) harder than my old 1100 with full tilt 2 3/4" 12 ga. loads. Or even my 590's.

A 410 would be better than nothing for sure, but harder to make solid hits with.

If you can live with single shot, an old Ithica M-66 can be had super cheap in 20 ga. They are solid guns, much more so than any Turkish option I'm aware of.

[Dov]

Found these via another thread https://savagearms.com/content?p=firearms&a=product_summary&s=22557

[Malamute]

There aren't new NEF Singleshot gauges being made anymore correct?

Anything on new market roughly comparable?

You can get two singles for about same $ as any double right?


Does it have to be new?

Theres a lot of used single shot shotguns on gunbroker, I just looked at 20 ga guns, there were 3 or 4 Winchesters in the first couple pages or so and tons of various others, many in rough finish condition, but if well built they would likely be functional enough. Many have poorly designed stocks, too much drop, leading the muzzle rise and the smack in the cheek effect. Way back, it was a desirable trait for a shotgun to be "hard shooting" the intent or belief seems to be more powerful, and often mentioned in advertisements and discussions. We know now that smacking the shooter around isnt a sign of a good gun, and most stocks have improved over time, however many single shots have still had poor stock designs.

[OlongJohnson]

Found these via another thread https://savagearms.com/content?p=firearms&a=product_summary&s=22557

That looks exactly like an H&R, as far as I remember them. Someone here has to know whether Savage just bought the IP & tooling, or came up with their own copy.

[OlongJohnson]

A little searching:

https://www.go2gbo.com/threads/stevens-301-receivers.429607/

https://bushcraftusa.com/forum/threads/savage-stevens-301.233138/

Barrels appear to interchange with the H&R.

[BobM]

At a Cabelas gun library this afternoon I saw an H&R 20 gauge, looked like a youth model, tagged at $369. Kind of mind boggling

[Grouse870]

The savages are different. They look the same but they have an additional safety on the side and the forearm is mounted in a different way.

[Malamute]

At a Cabelas gun library this afternoon I saw an H&R 20 gauge, looked like a youth model, tagged at $369. Kind of mind boggling


Thats crazy talk.

Id guess that with as many basic decent quality single barrel guns that are on gunbroker, if one were to save all that start low and watched them a couple weeks youd find a good deal without much drama.

[BobM]

Thats crazy talk.

Id guess that with as many basic decent quality single barrel guns that are on gunbroker, if one were to save all that start low and watched them a couple weeks youd find a good deal without much drama.

I thought maybe it was high due to being a youth model. I bought one about 15 years ago for under $100.

[Malamute]

I thought maybe it was high due to being a youth model. I bought one about 15 years ago for under $100.

It may bring some sort of premium, but theres one with black stock and nickel receiver with a buy now price of 185 on GB. Last time I looked i thought I saw a couple or so that were the youth model. Theres quite a few guns with low starting prices and no bids.

The first time I looked I just did any brand single shot 20 ga and had lots of results in very affordable price ranges, many were auctions, who knows where they may go, though experience indicates lots of similar guns and reasonable starting prices or buy now prices means they tend to not bid up very high.


https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1055039201

BTW, I like the gauge reducer tubes that allow shooting 410 in 12 and 20 ga guns, theres also tubes that allow shooting 20 and 28 ga in 12 ga guns, though they run a bit more than the old Savage four-tenner tubes. It give some utility/flexibility to break open guns that magazine fed repeaters dont have. A 410 load is often plenty for pests/snakes/squirrels/bunnies whatever at moderate ranges, yet you can pull the insert tube and be back in 20 or 12 ga operation very quickly.

In my youth I acquired some inexpensive yet ancient, solidly built single barrel 12 ga that was cut to the legal limit, 18" barrel and stock cut to just over 26 1/2". It wasnt difficult to hit cans thrown in the air and such when held out two handed so you could see down the barrel, like is done with the shockwave type guns. It could be a potential somewhat compact defensive item if one were on a budget.

Edit: I just did a single barrel 20 ga no brand search, 686 items showed on GB. Just looking for used ones there were 140.

https://www.gunbroker.com/Single-Shot-Shotguns/search?PageSize=24&Sort=4&View=1&Ch-Gauge=20%20Gauge

[camel]

Quick question, where do you draw the line between inexpensive/expensive?

There are a lot of older, solid SXS guns that the upper crust won't consider, but are very reliable guns.
Of course they are more than 150 bucks.

Are the barrels bored to shoot center of aim at yardage.

[JTMcC]

Are the barrels bored to shoot center of aim at yardage.

SXS barrels aren't "bored" to do that, they are regulated (set), for convergance, at whatever range the manufacturer chooses.

[Dov]

I've wondered if the cheap doubles are regulated very well?

Any idea at what range and type of load?

I've assumed using buck and slugs in them your probably not going to get good regulation with shooter preferred load of buck/slug vs what gun was regulated for.

Probably have to pick one barrel as "slug" barrel past very short range so point of impact stays close to point of aim?

[Malamute]

This H&R Topper Jr 20 ga went for $101 in a hot and heavy bidding war. It needs a touch up on the stock, in this case sandpaper and spray paint, but otherwise doesnt look too bad.


https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1058200562

[BobM]

Saturday morning I got an email from a shop in the next county listing their recently acquired used guns that included an H&R Topper 12 ga. for $169. I drove over and bought it. There’s a light “patina “ on the barrel but it was in good enough shape for what I wanted

[JTMcC]

I've wondered if the cheap doubles are regulated very well?

Any idea at what range and type of load?

I've assumed using buck and slugs in them your probably not going to get good regulation with shooter preferred load of buck/slug vs what gun was regulated for.

Probably have to pick one barrel as "slug" barrel past very short range so point of impact stays close to point of aim?

I have no experience with the current cheap double barrels but I've seen side by sides that threw slugs fairly close together and I've seen them not. Those were shot in the 40-50 yard range.

I would agree with picking one barrel for slug use if your gun is too far off shooting both barrels.
I'm thinking seriously about getting the magnetic rib sights and trying slugs thru a couple of SXS's I have, at the least in the one that doesn't have one full choke barrel.