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DocGKR
11-26-2012, 12:13 AM
Please read the rules (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?1837-Drill-of-the-Week) before participating in this thread.

Week 55: 10-8 Pistol Test
results may be posted until 11:59pm EST on Monday 03-December-2012.

by Hilton Yam
Range: 7yd
Target: IDPA target (ie. 6" square head box and 8" circular body--any hits outside these areas are a miss!)
Start position: concealed holster with hands at sides or retention duty holster from interview position or long gun ready
Rounds fired: 65

A shot timer with PAR function is required for this drill. One can read about and download an original copy of this drill here: http://10-8performance.blogspot.com/2011/08/10-8-pistol-test.html

Here is a video of Jason Falla running the test: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JlP_9iWGjo&feature=related and another with "Surf" shooting it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05P9ARD4cj4.

Pick a par time (5, 6.5, or 8 sec) to use on all 12 strings of fire.

String 1: On the buzzer, draw from the holster and fire 4 rds to the body then 1 round to the head, strong hand only
String 2: On the buzzer, from a high two-hand ready, transfer the pistol to the support hand then fire 4 shots to the body and 1 shot to the head, WHO
String 3: On the buzzer from a high ready with an EMPTY chamber; rack slide to chamber a round using the strong hand only, then fire 4 head shots all SHO
String 4: On the buzzer from a high ready with an EMPTY chamber; rack slide to chamber a round using the weak hand only, then fire 4 body shots followed by 1 head shot all WHO
String 5: Start with the pistol aimed at the target, slide locked open, empty mag, SHO; on the buzzer reload SHO and fire 1 shot to the body
String 6: On the buzzer, from the holster, draw and fire 7 shots to the body and 1 to the head
String 7: Start with 7 rounds loaded in the pistol; on the buzzer draw from the holster and fire 7 shots to the body, reload from slide lock and shoot 1 to the head
String 8: On the buzzer draw from the holster and fire 8 shots to the head
String 9: Start with 3 rounds loaded in the pistol; on the buzzer from a high ready, fire 2 shots to the body and 1 shot to the head, reload from slide lock and repeat the 3 shots
String 10: Start with 2 rounds loaded in the pistol; on the buzzer draw from the holster and fire 1 shot to the body and 1 shot to the head, reload from slide lock and repeat the 2 shots
String 11: Start with 4 rounds loaded in the pistol; on the buzzer from a high ready, fire 4 shots to the body, reload from slide lock and then fire 4 shots to the head
String 12: Start with 1 round loaded in the pistol and 2 additional mags with 1 rd each; on the buzzer draw from the holster and fire 1 shot to the body, reload from slide lock and repeat twice

Please report the following when you post your results in this thread:

Start position (concealed or duty retention holster)
PAR time selected
Total number of hits within the PAR time


According to Hilton, once you can break 58-60 points on a given par time, you are ready to move to the next par time. You are doing quite well if you can break 60 points on the 5 second par, shooting per the protocol.

(if you cannot draw from a holster, your range sucks, as you CANNOT effectively train there; find a new range or club that allows realistic practice--hint, look to where your local USPSA and IDPA shooters train, as they must draw and move...)

Training with firearms is an inherently dangerous activity. Be sure to follow all safety protocols when using firearms or practicing these drills. These drills are provided for information purposes only. Use at your own risk.

DocGKR
11-26-2012, 05:40 PM
G19 w/RMR06 in ATOM mount carried OWB in a Fricke Gideon Elite concealed under a Northface vest firing Fed AE9FP 147 gr FMJ.

This is only the second time I have shot strong handed since getting out of my cast; it is also the first time I have attempted the 10-8 drill, so I chose a 6.5 sec PAR.

64 hits: (4.19/5.58/5.39/4.17/5.33/4.14/6.04(-1 just high and right at 2 o'clock)/6.50/5.78/5.78/5.88/6.30)

According to Hilton's guidelines, next time I shoot the 10-8 drill I need to be running the 5 sec PAR...

This is a good drill that I will be adding to my practice regimen!

Bill Nesbitt
11-26-2012, 06:34 PM
Gen 3 G-17 in a Comp-Tac OWB holster, concealed beneath an open front fleece vest.

PAR Time: 8.0 seconds.

62 hits and 1 shot over PAR for a score of 61?

Times: 3.84, 5.15, 6.97, 6.82, 7.37, 5.93, 6.71, 5.47, 6.05, 6.11, 8.32, 7.50.

This is the first time I have shot this drill. Strings 3, 4 & 5 were pretty new to me. :)

I guess I should move to a PAR of 6.5. :)

I noticed in the videos that they were shooting string one SHO. This is an interesting drill in that with the different manipulations, the time is so close on each string.

DocGKR
11-26-2012, 06:41 PM
String 1 is SHO.

Any shots over PAR are the same as a miss.

GJM
11-26-2012, 08:01 PM
How do you manipulate the slide support hand only -- slide stop, rack the rear sight on your belt, or otherwise?

ChrisG
11-26-2012, 08:52 PM
Gen4 G17 from Keeper under t-shirt

Par time: 6.5
Hits: 51

Managed to catch my shirt in the slide on string 4, resulting in a late shot and a hole in the shirt. On the other strings I tended to shoot too quickly; need to slow down and get my hits.

DocGKR
11-26-2012, 08:52 PM
GJM--Any way you can...

I use my rear sight (a nice big RMR) on my pocket or belt.

Watch the two videos and see how those guys do it.

Mr_White
11-29-2012, 09:54 AM
Gen3 G34, Ameriglo Defoor sights, 115gr PMC, concealed in a Keeper under a t-shirt.

5 second PAR

65 hits/100%

Groups weren’t the prettiest, but I tried to use the time available and they were all in.

Times were: 3.44, 4.05, 4.32, 4.79, 4.82, 3.60, 4.68, 4.15, 4.15, 3.88, 4.81, 4.62


This was a good drill day – finally shot a Triple Nickel under four seconds (3.87), plus a low light Triple Nickel in 4.96. I ended the day happy!

GJM
11-29-2012, 11:56 AM
Low light?

Mr_White
11-29-2012, 12:36 PM
Our training group is doing low light stuff right now so we used the Triple Nickel as a vehicle to observe: the difference between the TN in full light vs. low light (only enough to see the targets without aid of a flashlight, but still pretty dark) and the difference in recoil and muzzle flash characteristics of training ammo vs. defensive ammo in low light.

Drift, sorry, I caused it.

Mickey
11-30-2012, 06:05 PM
Glock 19 in a Comp-Tac CTAC under a T-Shirt

8 Sec par time
39 hits
Times 6.35,7.90,8.00,7.50,5.50,7.12,5.63(unable to get last shot off before par)7.92,7.78,7.35,8.0,5.79(again unable to get off last shot before par).

Good drill, the WHO/SHO head shots are something I am going to need to work on before I run this drill again!
On a side note the plastic sights held up fine. But, I cant wait until I get 2000 rounds through this glock and I can replace the sights!

Corey
12-01-2012, 01:52 PM
I made it to the range twice this week so I got in two runs. Used M&P Pro 9mmwith Blade Tech holster and open front concealment both times.

6.5 sec PAR: Score 63

Went back two days later.

5 sec PAR: Score 43

Current limits of my ability are now well established.

Kevin B.
12-01-2012, 02:37 PM
1911 from a Blade-tech OWB under a North Face vest. Shot with the 5.0 second par. I dropped five shots and had one shot over time (mag stuck in the maxwell on String #7; stripping it killed my reload).

59/65 hits.

wilco423
12-01-2012, 08:20 PM
1911 (SA TRP full rail) from duty belt (Safariland 6360, open top mag pouch).

8 sec par, 54/65. Good drill; I need to work on the body to head transitions, mostly.

I shot it on a TRICON standard target, as we don't have IDPA ones at work. I went by the 4" face circle, so my only consolation is that some of my head misses would have been hits on IDPA.