Caleb strikes again

[Lex Luthier]

Heritage Manufacturing is releasing a line of blued steel, wood stocked 5 shot .38 +P rated revolvers called “The Roscoe”.
These are supposedly based on the Taurus 85. Tam announced that she has a review in the upcoming issue of Recoil
magazine.

https://heritagemfg.com/revolvers/heritage-roscoe

[HeavyDuty]

Interesting. I’m not sure I like that the exposed ejector rod isn’t latched at the front, that is something I’ve never liked about a lot of classic Colts. At least they gave it a protective guard.

[Joe S]

Heritage Manufacturing is releasing a line of blued steel, wood stocked 5 shot .38 +P rated revolvers called “The Roscoe”.
These are supposedly based on the Taurus 85. Tam announced that she has a review in the upcoming issue of Recoil
magazine.

https://heritagemfg.com/revolvers/heritage-roscoe

That 3 inch is sexy.


Interesting. I’m not sure I like that the exposed ejector rod isn’t latched at the front, that is something I’ve never liked about a lot of classic Colts. At least they gave it a protective guard.

Agreed here, but also, front sight fixed, etc.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

Nice looking for the glove box of your time machine to the past. If there's a market, I guess.

[HeavyDuty]

Nice looking for the glove box of your time machine to the past. If there's a market, I guess.

One would have looked good in the glovebox of my ‘65 Skylark.

[lee n. field]

Heritage Manufacturing is releasing a line of blued steel, wood stocked 5 shot .38 +P rated revolvers called “The Roscoe”.
These are supposedly based on the Taurus 85. Tam announced that she has a review in the upcoming issue of Recoil
magazine.

https://heritagemfg.com/revolvers/heritage-roscoe

Saw that a couple days ago, in a YT video by some influencer type that I don't usually watch. Nothing on the Heritage site then. It's there now.

Everything up the the barrel looks like pure Taurus Model 85. Unshrouded ejector rod. The lug thing at the front doesn't have a plunger that latches into the ejector rod. Taurus-s use a detent on the crane.

It would be nice if they could have used the current pinned front sight arrangement. (It doesn't look like it, anyway.) Not a deal killer.

[ECVMatt]

3" For the win. It can hold a space right next to my 3" Viper.

I am very pleased to see more and more wheel gun being released.

[mikey357]

Those are styled to look very much like the Smith & Wesson Chief's Special, IMO--I wonder what the "Street Price" will be?

[jtcarm]

It does look odd with that gap between the rod and lug.

I’ll pass.

[Trooper224]

A modern revolver with an exposed and floating ejector rod is just stupid.

[Lester Polfus]

While I appreciate the concerns about the ejector rod, can we all just pause and reflect for a moment about how awesome it is that this thing is called “The Roscoe?”

The marketing (and price) suggest that it’s aimed toward Noir Cosplay as much as actual defensive use.

[Borderland]

A modern revolver with an exposed and floating ejector rod is just stupid.

I think it's supposed to be a repro of some kind of revolver from the 30's. I'm not exactly sure which revolver though. Possibly a Colt New Service. The company seems to be making firearms that look old. I've never heard of the company. Is it Taurus?

[Stephanie B]

While I appreciate the concerns about the ejector rod, can we all just pause and reflect for a moment about how awesome it is that this thing is called “The Roscoe?”

The marketing (and price) suggest that it’s aimed toward Noir Cosplay as much as actual defensive use.

I am down with whatever gets people to buy revolvers. Especially people who don’t have revolvers.

[Stephanie B]

Interesting. I’m not sure I like that the exposed ejector rod isn’t latched at the front, that is something I’ve never liked about a lot of classic Colts. At least they gave it a protective guard.

I wonder if there’s a ball detent on the yoke.

[42Willys]

I like snubs, so I like the idea.

Taurus’ blueing is not bad (not many blued revolvers around new these days), and with the advertised weight at 22 ounces (on the Heritage website) for the 2 inch model and 23.5 for the 3 inch tube, should be nice to shoot. Price seems good also.

I don’t prefer the “faux” lug under the barrel.

[FrankB]

Another video, with more context.


https://youtu.be/qA-EUwNADzc?si=DoCoTTWE6Y9vLtoR

[jeep45238]

One would have looked good in the glovebox of my ‘65 Skylark.

'68 Charger

[Half Moon]

I think it's supposed to be a repro of some kind of revolver from the 30's. I'm not exactly sure which revolver though. Possibly a Colt New Service. The company seems to be making firearms that look old. I've never heard of the company. Is it Taurus?

They started as their own company (I think) making single action .22 revolvers. My sister had one of those in the '90's. Kind of the Jennings of SA revolvers back then: dirt cheap, well under a hundred bucks through Shotgun News, with all the build quality of a Yugo assembled end of day not just Friday but the Friday before a holiday weekend. Looks like Taurus acquired them about a decade ago. Not sure if the quality has improved but still see their single actions at box store gun counters like Cabelas sometimes. Look better made now than then but still not all that. Then again, that 90's era one has pretty well set an opinion that could be biasing me a bit...

[Borderland]

They started as their own company (I think) making single action .22 revolvers. My sister had one of those in the '90's. Kind of the Jennings of SA revolvers back then: dirt cheap, well under a hundred bucks through Shotgun News, with all the build quality of a Yugo assembled end of day not just Friday but the Friday before a holiday weekend. Looks like Taurus acquired them about a decade ago. Not sure if the quality has improved but still see their single actions at box store gun counters like Cabelas sometimes. Look better made now than then but still not all that. Then again, that 90's era one has pretty well set an opinion that could be biasing me a bit...

Hundred dollar firearms seem to sell well. I personally saw a Jennings launch a bolt into a shooters face. Guy almost lost an eye. Reinforced my belief in eye protection. I documented the entire thing in case he wanted to sue the company. I don't think he did.

[Totem Polar]

Looks like a great choice for someone else.

[Daniel Watters]

I wonder if there’s a ball detent on the yoke.

William Bell says it does in his online review for Athlon Publications.

PPC revolversmiths figured out this was a better way to lock the cylinder assembly for accuracy than the legacy S&W detent on the tip of the ejector rod. The legacy design was vulnerable to any deviation in the straightness of the ejector rod.

[DDTSGM]

They started as their own company (I think) making single action .22 revolvers. My sister had one of those in the '90's. Kind of the Jennings of SA revolvers back then: dirt cheap, well under a hundred bucks through Shotgun News, with all the build quality of a Yugo assembled end of day not just Friday but the Friday before a holiday weekend. Looks like Taurus acquired them about a decade ago. Not sure if the quality has improved but still see their single actions at box store gun counters like Cabelas sometimes. Look better made now than then but still not all that. Then again, that 90's era one has pretty well set an opinion that could be biasing me a bit...

A couple years ago I bought a Heritage Rough Rider 6.5" SA 22 for $119.00 it had a mfg date of 10/2/20 on the box plus clearly marked 'made in USA' - I saw it on the counter at Dunham Sporting Goods and thought what the heck.

The thing is a dinger and doesn't spit much lead out the side which is kind of important if you are letting little grandkids shoot.

One of the things that I find nice about it is the kids seem to have just as much fun shooting it with a lot less of my rounds going down range.

I haven't shot a Ruger Wrangler, but from handling them, I think the Rough Rider would hold it's own at a 2/3 better price.

[FrankB]

Straight from Caleb’s mouth. It’s a 1930’s noir revolver.


https://youtu.be/jbBoJMcbbPA?si=mTiiMy4m8R1S34zb

[HeavyDuty]

Need one of these photoshopped into the Jack Ruby / LHO pic.

[Lester Polfus]

If this thing is a sucess, can we expect to see a complete set inlcuding “The Gat” and “The Heater?”

Asking for a friend...

[Noah]

Is this a rebadged Taurus or Rossi? It looks like Heritages new center fire lever actions are Rossi to me… with Taurus/Rossi owning Heritage I’d have zero problem with them using Heritage as the brand for 1930s and Cowboy guns….

I have a Heritage .22 (great plinker) and an older Heritage badged Pietta .45 Colt SAA myself.

[Stephanie B]

If this thing is a sucess, can we expect to see a complete set inlcuding “The Gat” and “The Heater?”

Asking for a friend...

A New Service .44 Special, perhaps?

[Glenn E. Meyer]

The 'Piece'. Hated the term. Was in a class and a guy drew his gun and threw it down range. He said: "I threw away my piece" Duh.

I always thought that Taurus, after the Judge, should make one called the "Parolee". Might be market for it. Or the "Pardon".

[FrankB]

The 'Piece'. Hated the term. Was in a class and a guy drew his gun and threw it down range. He said: "I threw away my piece" Duh.

I always thought that Taurus, after the Judge, should make one called the "Parolee". Might be market for it. Or the "Pardon".

I’m waiting for the “Judge, Jury, and Executioner” model. 🤣

[HeavyDuty]

I’m waiting for the “Judge, Jury, and Executioner” model. 🤣

Followed by the “Zimbabwe” retro P-35 reissue.

[Totem Polar]

Followed by the “Zimbabwe” retro P-35 reissue.

“Mozambique” might be a better name for a Taurus retro P-35 reissue, because odds are it would only go 3 rounds before the user would have to stop and assess. :rolleyes:

[HeavyDuty]

“Mozambique” might be a better name for a Taurus retro P-35 reissue, because odds are it would only go 3 rounds before the user would have to stop and assess. :rolleyes:

Dammit, that’s what I meant to say. Ruined my own damn joke!

[awp_101]

Noir Heater Reboot: Meet the Heritage Roscoe .38 (https://www.guns.com/news/2024/05/23/noir-heater-reboot-meet-the-heritage-roscoe-38)

https://images.guns.com/prod/2024/05/23/664f206c6ed9d6bdfbfe3fdccba6d19e17a8b63ebbc0c.jpg
The cigar-box-worthy Roscoe looks right out of the mid-20th century, clad in a deep glossy finish, classic-style round wood grips, fixed sights, and a five-shot cylinder. (Photos: Don Summers/Guns.com)

[Stephanie B]

I think Tam's reasoning on steel J-frames (https://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2024/05/dots-dont-go-everywhereyet.html) is pretty compelling.

[Totem Polar]

I think Tam's reasoning on steel J-frames (https://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2024/05/dots-dont-go-everywhereyet.html) is pretty compelling.

Agreed, and this is coming from a guy who *only* owns 5-shot steel J-frames (as collectables). :D

This new offering is a handsome look though. If the short versions are indeed up to the standard of my late-80s model 85 (one of the few Tauri with a good reputation), then there might actually be something of substance there.

I sure as shit wouldn’t buy a 3 inch gun as a shooter though, based on my experience. In all, a perfect gun for the “compression sock drawer crowd.”

[sharps54]

Agreed, and this is coming from a guy who *only* owns 5-shot steel J-frames (as collectables). :D

This new offering is a handsome look though. If the short versions are indeed up to the standard of my late-80s model 85 (one of the few Tauri with a good reputation), then there might actually be something of substance there.

I sure as shit wouldn’t buy a 3 inch gun as a shooter though, based on my experience. In all, a perfect gun for the “compression sock drawer crowd.”

I agree with this, in today's world there is no reason for a 3" revolver to not have a removable front and a decent rear sight, you aren't going to pocket carry the thing.

[Stephanie B]

Agreed, and this is coming from a guy who *only* owns 5-shot steel J-frames (as collectables). :D

This new offering is a handsome look though. If the short versions are indeed up to the standard of my late-80s model 85 (one of the few Tauri with a good reputation), then there might actually be something of substance there.

I sure as shit wouldn’t buy a 3 inch gun as a shooter though, based on my experience. In all, a perfect gun for the “compression sock drawer crowd.”

Truth be told, I did buy a 3" Model 60-13 because it was priced very attractively. The proprietor of that LGS later tacitly admitted that he had screwed up.

[sharps54]

Truth be told, I did buy a 3" Model 60-13 because it was priced very attractively. The proprietor of that LGS later tacitly admitted that he had screwed up.

I had a Model 60 Pro 3" which was a nice revolver but ended up letting it go because it didn't fill a niche, too big for the pocket and hard to justify a five shot for a belt gun when I have other options. Plus it was the only S&W I had with a lock.

[Duelist]

I think Tam's reasoning on steel J-frames (https://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2024/05/dots-dont-go-everywhereyet.html) is pretty compelling.

I frequently carry my 60-9 Ladysmith IWB - it’s more comfortable and lighter than a K there, and has less square bits than my G26.

Didn’t buy it to carry, though - bought it to have a J to shoot that wouldn’t beat me up like the airweights can.

[Borderland]

Agreed, and this is coming from a guy who *only* owns 5-shot steel J-frames (as collectables). :D

This new offering is a handsome look though. If the short versions are indeed up to the standard of my late-80s model 85 (one of the few Tauri with a good reputation), then there might actually be something of substance there.

I sure as shit wouldn’t buy a 3 inch gun as a shooter though, based on my experience. In all, a perfect gun for the “compression sock drawer crowd.”

compression sock drawer crowd

Can I use that? I think you just coined a new phrase.

[Borderland]

I just sent my Taurus 85 back to Bainbridge GA. to see if they can un-cant the canted barrel. They said it's a 4 week turn around. They sent me a shipping label.

I was comparing it to a S&W 36 that I have and it's size seems to be somewhere between a K frame and a J frame, which I could warm up to. I paid 200 bucks for it new back in 1991 but only put a few boxes of ammo through it.

My safe could be an episode of Forgotten Weapons. There's a 1905 Browning and a model 97 shotgun in there someplace.

[Stephanie B]

it's size seems to be somewhere between a K frame and a J frame,

Like a Detective Special?

[Borderland]

Like a Detective Special?

Probably. I don't have one to compare it to. It's a lot heavier than a model 36 and the butt is longer.

[Tamara]

Is this a rebadged Taurus or Rossi?.

It’s basically a restyled Taurus 85 reboot.

[Tamara]

Probably. I don't have one to compare it to. It's a lot heavier than a model 36 and the butt is longer.

The cylinder window is J-frame sized but there’s a little more meat in the frame (the 85 was +P rated before the J was) and a noticeably larger trigger guard. They’re close enough in size that they fit the same soft holsters, but not molded leather or kydex.

[sharps54]

Looks like there isn’t a key lock on it which is also nice.

[Totem Polar]

The cylinder window is J-frame sized but there’s a little more meat in the frame (the 85 was +P rated before the J was) and a noticeably larger trigger guard. They’re close enough in size that they fit the same soft holsters, but not molded leather or kydex.

My ancient (late 80s) 85 fits in J-kydex. It is in fact currently hanging in an undisclosed location by a static line kydex trigger guard for a J. No idea about the newer guns or the Heritage version.

[willie]

The discussion focuses on self-defense revolvers, and I understand perceived limitations of steel J frames. I agree that belt carrying a 5 shot revolver regardless of barrel length is a questionable defense choice. In the distant past I sometimes belt carried either a 2 or a 3 inch J frame when messing around in the field. I liked the two revolvers, shot them extensively, and could hit what I shot at. I realized their usefulness. At 100 yards the 3 inch would easily bounce gallon jugs. For me they were good companions. All this was occurred in a time when carrying a handgun in my two states could result in arrest depending on different things like who you were and what you looked like, etc. My choices were easily concealed.

[jetfire]

If this thing is a sucess, can we expect to see a complete set inlcuding “The Gat” and “The Heater?”

Asking for a friend...

Since I named the Roscoe, my next goal is a pencil barrel Model 10-esque gun called The Stakeout

[sharps54]

The discussion focuses on self-defense revolvers, and I understand perceived limitations of steel J frames. I agree that belt carrying a 5 shot revolver regardless of barrel length is a questionable defense choice. In the distant past I sometimes belt carried either a 2 or a 3 inch J frame when messing around in the field. I liked the two revolvers, shot them extensively, and could hit what I shot at. I realized their usefulness. At 100 yards the 3 inch would easily bounce gallon jugs. For me they were good companions. All this was occurred in a time when carrying a handgun in my two states could result in arrest depending on different things like who you were and what you looked like, etc. My choices were easily concealed.

I don’t doubt these can handle the vast majority of self defense situations a civilian may encounter, heck I am often armed with just a 351c or 649. That said aside from an aesthetic reason I am hard pressed to think of a reason one of these is a better choice for someone buying a new revolver than a Taurus 856 for example. Basically the same size, same price range, same manufacturer, but the 856 has another round on board.

[willie]

I don’t doubt these can handle the vast majority of self defense situations a civilian may encounter, heck I am often armed with just a 351c or 649. That said aside from an ascetics reason I am hard pressed to think of a reason one of these is a better choice for someone buying a new revolver than a Taurus 856 for example. Basically the same size, same price range, same manufacturer, but the 856 has another round on board.

Very many people have had problems with Taurus products and their customer service. These folks might not select an 856. My opinion is that there are many excellent Ruger, Smith and Wesson, and Colt revolvers on the market. They have a superb record. The Taurus revolvers have not yet established a good reputation. I would not buy one for this reason. I'm biased but will add that I do know something about revolvers and have had past experience with the T brand.

[sharps54]

Very many people have had problems with Taurus products and their customer service. These folks might not select an 856. My opinion is that there are many excellent Ruger, Smith and Wesson, and Colt revolvers on the market. They have a superb record. The Taurus revolvers have not yet established a good reputation. I would not buy one for this reason. I'm biased but will add that I do know something about revolvers and have had past experience with the T brand.

I’m confused, this whole thread is about a Taurus product…

[willie]

I know.

[jetfire]

Very many people have had problems with Taurus products and their customer service. These folks might not select an 856. My opinion is that there are many excellent Ruger, Smith and Wesson, and Colt revolvers on the market. They have a superb record. The Taurus revolvers have not yet established a good reputation. I would not buy one for this reason. I'm biased but will add that I do know something about revolvers and have had past experience with the T brand.

Might be time to open that mind up a little bit.

This ain't 2000s Taurus any more

[willie]

Might be time to open that mind up a little bit.

This ain't 2000s Taurus any more

I've not owned one of the new T revolvers. Hence, I have no experience with them. I can rent one locally and might do that. Tell me about warranty and repair. First, is it true that removing the side plate voids warranty? I have heard this but never verified it.

Second, when a revolver is returned for repair, who performs the work?

[jetfire]

I've not owned one of the new T revolvers. Hence, I have no experience with them. I can rent one locally and might do that. Tell me about warranty and repair. First, is it true that removing the side plate voids warranty? I have heard this but never verified it.

Second, when a revolver is returned for repair, who performs the work?

Just opening the side plate does not necessarily void the warranty. Performing an "action job" with a flint axe, which I've seen on the inside of some of the guns that come back to Customer Service, most certainly does. A significant number of the revolvers we get back are ones where an incompetent gunsmith damaged the action beyond repair by attempting to do an action job that was clearly beyond their skill level.

The repair work is assigned based on level of severity. Armorer level tasks are handled by armorers, tasks that require gunsmith levels of skill are handled by our gunsmiths who are all trained and certified.

[Stephanie B]

This ain't 2000s Taurus any more

I had a 1990s 605 that was a pretty good gun. It was a beater by the time I sent it down the road, but there was nothing wrong with it.

[Duelist]

I had a 1990s 605 that was a pretty good gun. It was a beater by the time I sent it down the road, but there was nothing wrong with it.

The one Taurus I have owned was an early 2000s 605, and while I didn’t particularly like it, there was nothing wrong with it. It ran everything I ever shot through it, and hit was it was aimed at.

Dad still has an older 85, and likes it. He wore out the firing pin spring dry firing it without snap caps. They repaired and returned it for free, though he was not the original owner.

[onehalfmvsquared]

Since I named the Roscoe, my next goal is a pencil barrel Model 10-esque gun called The Stakeout

"like!"

[BillSWPA]

Nothing wrong with the one Taurus I own, a 3” .44 magnum purchased used in the early 2000’s.

[Dark Star Gear]

Disclosure: Taurus has some of our products on their site, has shared DSG posts, has been a great partner for manufacturing and so on. We have also purchased our own Taurus guns under the new Taurus management. Caleb is also a friend. I was also a very avid Taurus hater.

They're good guns. Taurus has had some quirks and issues they've owned up to quite quickly, enough so that it didn't become a meme. I don't think I'm going to make the most compelling argument for Taurus, especially to a crowd that spends 3-4 times as much on a gun, but we, as a community, need new shooters and more shooters. Those shooters sometimes aren't willing to spend $4,500 to get started. If I can point someone to a GX4 Carry with a street price of under $300 and get them going for under $400, that's a win. New Taurus has done that.


This looks like a fun gun. Not everything needs to be super serious and have some TEOTWAWKI role.


We need to accept that companies and organizations can change. You can now shoot AIWB, concealed, in IDPA with your Taurus GX4 Carry!

[fatdog]

Is there a grip adapter on the market, say one of the BK J frame versions, that will work with these and fill the sinus area? Anybody know?

[Tamara]

Very many people have had problems with Taurus products and their customer service. These folks might not select an 856. My opinion is that there are many excellent Ruger, Smith and Wesson, and Colt revolvers on the market..

How many Smith or Colt revolvers made in the last five years have you put more than a hundred rounds through?

[Tamara]

Is there a grip adapter on the market, say one of the BK J frame versions, that will work with these and fill the sinus area? Anybody know?

At the risk of spoilering my forthcoming review, if I were going to actually going to tote the Roscoe, I’d just toss some Boot Grip clones on it. The factory grips aren’t compatible with serious carry use.

[willie]

How many Smith or Colt revolvers made in the last five years have you put more than a hundred rounds through?

Three. Please share your experience with Taurus revolvers that you bought and paid for.

[fatdog]

if I were going to actually going to tote the Roscoe, I’d just toss some Boot Grip clones on it

rubber boots would ruin the entire ambiance and mood ....but I understand what you are saying...they look incompatible with shooting, so are J frame magna's without and T-grip

[Totem Polar]

The cylinder window is J-frame sized but there’s a little more meat in the frame (the 85 was +P rated before the J was) and a noticeably larger trigger guard. They’re close enough in size that they fit the same soft holsters, but not molded leather or kydex.


My ancient (late 80s) 85 fits in J-kydex. It is in fact currently hanging in an undisclosed location by a static line kydex trigger guard for a J. No idea about the newer guns or the Heritage version.

Before we get too far in the weeds on Ford v Chevy stuff, I wanted to return to this for a sec, because Tam’s track record of being squared away on revolver minutia is exemplary. I therefore wanted to double check a couple of things. I pulled a couple of Js from the safe, and grabbed the ol’ 85 from the Reagan/Bush 1 era out of its hide, and threw them all into a DSG AIWB rig. As one can see, they all fit, with the Taurus being the tightest, and the 36-1 being the loosest.

A couple of caveats: I specifically asked Tom if his rig could accommodate the 36-6, with its sights and full underlug, a la the later model 60-10 3” full lug .357. He assured me that it would work, noting that his goal was to fit any j-frame.

The lug on the Taurus certainly isn’t any chunkier than the one on the 36-6 or 3” 60. So there is that. I would *not*, however, expect the 85 to fit into a tightly molded rig—kydex or leather— for a 442 or 642. So the reasonable answer as to if the 85 will fit J holsters is “it depends.” And it mostly depends on the goals of the holster maker.

If one looks at the pics, it’s clear that all the frames and trigger guards sit in the rig about the same, yet the cylinder release latch is more exposed on the 36-6 from 1989 than the 36-1 from 1976. Which brings me to another point: the kydex trigger guards that I have—4 or 5 of them at this point from a variety of makers—may fit on the Taurus, but only sort of fit on the 36-6 and don’t really work on the 36-1; on that gun, all but one of my static line guards flop around too loosely. Meaning, in my limited experience of things, there can be as much variation across different generations of J-frame than there is from modern J-frames to ancient Taurus when it comes to tight molding around trigger guards and the bottom of the frame. I’ll enclose a pic of a TG on the 36-1; the guard doesn’t even contact the frame or make it up far enough for the recoil shield molding to make contact with the bottom of the recoil shield. Weird, but that’s how it is with my limited sample size. All my trigger guards, being new-thought static line kydex, are recent enough to be molded off of 642/442 or 640 pro or whatever, and they absolutely fit those modern guns (when I had them) like a glove. The frame of the 36 from the 70s is definitely not the same as a modern J.

Bottom line? Probably have to just try a few out, if you own an out of production gun. I’ll leave it to Caleb or Tam to comment on the dimensions of a new Heritage vs an old 85.

Presented for the 2.5 of you all that might care. Pics:

[jandbj]

Since I named the Roscoe, my next goal is a pencil barrel Model 10-esque gun called The Stakeout

That would be an amazing hat tip to Jim Cirillo & Bill Allard.

[perlslacker]

rubber boots would ruin the entire ambiance and mood ....but I understand what you are saying...they look incompatible with shooting, so are J frame magna's without and T-grip

This guy gets it.

Hypothetically, if I'm choosing between a 3" 856 Defender and a 3" Roscoe, I can't think of a practical reason to pick the Roscoe. The entire appeal is vibes, and rubber boot grips kill the vibes.

(This isn't a criticism of the Roscoe. Vibes are fine.)

[FrankB]

I sold my Model 36 a few years ago, so I just ordered a 2” Roscoe. I’m not paying $800 for another M36, but I am hoping the Altamont J frame boot grips I have fit the Roscoe.

[sharps54]

I sold my Model 36 a few years ago, so I just ordered a 2” Roscoe. I’m not paying $800 for another M36, but I am hoping the Altamont J frame boot grips I have fit the Roscoe.

I look forward to your thoughts on receiving it!

[FrankB]

I look forward to your thoughts on receiving it!

It will be viewed with the same hard and harsh standards I use on all firearms, and then sold…lol! I have a S&W 642, but it’s annoying to shoot, at least compared to the M36.

[Wood]

Was just piddling around on the internet, like you do, and ended up on the Lipsey's website looking at revolvers. Decided to use their search to see the Roscoes, but when I put in the info it said 6 products found. Sure enough, in addition to the released 2-inch and 3-inch models with wood grips that were released this year, Talo has apparently ordered two new Roscoes in both barrel lengths: One version comes with pearl grips, the other says "Rosewood & White Pearl Grips" in their respective pages on Davidson's Gallery of Guns website. I assume that means one grip with both materials rather than two grips?

Neither the Heritage website nor the Talo website show these models yet.

No images on any of the SKUs at the time I'm posting this, but I'll leave the Lipsey's links:

Lipsey's:

2" w/ Pearl Grips (https://www.lipseys.com/itemdetail?itemno=HEHR38B2WP)

3" w/ Pearl Grips (https://www.lipseys.com/itemdetail?itemno=HEHR38B3WP)

2" w/Rosewood and Pearl Grips (https://www.lipseys.com/itemdetail?itemno=HEHR38B2RWP)

3" w/Rosewood and Pearl Grips (https://www.lipseys.com/itemdetail?itemno=HEHR38B3RWP)

Note that Davidson's has pages for these items as well - which is where I found the bit about the Rosewood and Pearl Grips - but I'm not sure how to properly link from GoG since it requires your zip code and all that.

MSRP across all of these Talo Roscoes is listed as $378.99

[lee n. field]

Was just piddling around on the internet, like you do, and ended up on the Lipsey's website looking at revolvers. Decided to use their search to see the Roscoes, but when I put in the info it said 6 products found. Sure enough, in addition to the released 2-inch and 3-inch models with wood grips that were released this year, Talo has apparently ordered two new Roscoes in both barrel lengths: One version comes with pearl grips, the other says "Rosewood & White Pearl Grips" in their respective pages on Davidson's Gallery of Guns website. I assume that means one grip with both materials rather than two grips?

Neither the Heritage website nor the Talo website show these models yet.

No images on any of the SKUs at the time I'm posting this, but I'll leave the Lipsey's links:

Lipsey's:

2" w/ Pearl Grips (https://www.lipseys.com/itemdetail?itemno=HEHR38B2WP)

3" w/ Pearl Grips (https://www.lipseys.com/itemdetail?itemno=HEHR38B3WP)

2" w/Rosewood and Pearl Grips (https://www.lipseys.com/itemdetail?itemno=HEHR38B2RWP)

3" w/Rosewood and Pearl Grips (https://www.lipseys.com/itemdetail?itemno=HEHR38B3RWP)

Note that Davidson's has pages for these items as well - which is where I found the bit about the Rosewood and Pearl Grips - but I'm not sure how to properly link from GoG since it requires your zip code and all that.

MSRP across all of these Talo Roscoes is listed as $378.99

Not seeing pictures. I wonder if they're putting on some of the alternate small frame grips from Taurus' webstore.

[Sherman A. House DDS]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240805/2675b4f9726115d0a3389e4325a253dd.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240805/94fa262afc85002c4a87f7a03f158642.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240805/fa90f08f0d19b012e82dd3c0c1a16081.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240805/051a079ac744078eda889a8857603398.jpg

I don’t have a ROSCOE YET, but when I see one, I will get one. I do know Caleb, and he and I have shot together in training. I’ve paid with every Taurus product I own with my money (full price).

My Taurus collection (THIS modern iteration of Taurus) started with the 856 Executive, and I was so impressed that a gun that cost 1/3 as much as my Smith PC guns but performed as good/better than the more expensive gun. The 856 got an initial bad rap because the crane screw came loose when a pus-gut influencer attempted to shoot 500 rounds through it in rapid succession…and the screw loosened and fell out. Which, for me, as an experienced revolver guy (first duty gun was a 681) amounted to a big fat WHO CARES? Tighten your screws kid…it prevents that kind of thing from happening. Then, as the universe often does, I found myself presented with the opportunity to purchase three more in rapid succession. They’ve all been great, and I shoot the hell out of them. As a large handed individual, I like the feel of the Pachmayr Legend grips the best, as you see here on the TORO iteration. I’m going to get a Taurus Medium Frame 4” or 6” gun to compete in the local league as a revolver competitor (again) and run it bone stock.

Sorry for the thread drift. I said all of that to say that I can afford to buy anything I want. I chose to buy the Taurus’ instead of comparable Smiths (I bought two UC’s…both had problems that had to be corrected). So I’m over the, “Given the choice, I’ll pick big blue,” is a thing of the past. And I say that as a guy that owns DOZENS of Smith products.

Each gun is an individual, and I’ve been very pleased with my Taurus guns, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY FOR THIS THREAD is that our guy, Caleb, who is one of us, is doing the damn thing and giving the cognoscenti (us) what we want. And he WANTS YOU to look the gift horse in the mouth. And that is a good thing…guns that are designed with REAL defensive users in mind, like these, the UC series from Bryan and DB, these are all good things. And it ain’t common amongst the makers of guns; most aren’t shooters and FEW train.

I’m all for anything that moves the industry in a positive direction, and you all should be too.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Chuck Whitlock]

Dr. House,

I am in agreement with you.

I have a twin to the one in the first picture, except it sports an orange XS sight (green was OOS) and the factory rubber grips. A set of UM boot grips should be delivered today.

[jandbj]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240805/2675b4f9726115d0a3389e4325a253dd.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240805/94fa262afc85002c4a87f7a03f158642.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240805/fa90f08f0d19b012e82dd3c0c1a16081.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240805/051a079ac744078eda889a8857603398.jpg

I don’t have a ROSCOE YET, but when I see one, I will get one. I do know Caleb, and he and I have shot together in training. I’ve paid with every Taurus product I own with my money (full price).

My Taurus collection (THIS modern iteration of Taurus) started with the 856 Executive, and I was so impressed that a gun that cost 1/3 as much as my Smith PC guns but performed as good/better than the more expensive gun. The 856 got an initial bad rap because the crane screw came loose when a pus-gut influencer attempted to shoot 500 rounds through it in rapid succession…and the screw loosened and fell out. Which, for me, as an experienced revolver guy (first duty gun was a 681) amounted to a big fat WHO CARES? Tighten your screws kid…it prevents that kind of thing from happening. Then, as the universe often does, I found myself presented with the opportunity to purchase three more in rapid succession. They’ve all been great, and I shoot the hell out of them. As a large handed individual, I like the feel of the Pachmayr Legend grips the best, as you see here on the TORO iteration. I’m going to get a Taurus Medium Frame 4” or 6” gun to compete in the local league as a revolver competitor (again) and run it bone stock.

Sorry for the thread drift. I said all of that to say that I can afford to buy anything I want. I chose to buy the Taurus’ instead of comparable Smiths (I bought two UC’s…both had problems that had to be corrected). So I’m over the, “Given the choice, I’ll pick big blue,” is a thing of the past. And I say that as a guy that owns DOZENS of Smith products.

Each gun is an individual, and I’ve been very pleased with my Taurus guns, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY FOR THIS THREAD is that our guy, Caleb, who is one of us, is doing the damn thing and giving the cognoscenti (us) what we want. And he WANTS YOU to look the gift horse in the mouth. And that is a good thing…guns that are designed with REAL defensive users in mind, like these, the UC series from Bryan and DB, these are all good things. And it ain’t common amongst the makers of guns; most aren’t shooters and FEW train.

I’m all for anything that moves the industry in a positive direction, and you all should be too.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Dr House,

Who makes the super slim serrated grips? Never saw a set like that for Taurus before?

[Sherman A. House DDS]

Dr House,

Who makes the super slim serrated grips? Never saw a set like that for Taurus before?

I got them from a seller on EBay! They’re great! Aggressive enough traction to get a grip, but thing enough to snatch ahold of it quickly from a pocket or a bum bag.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[jandbj]

I got them from a seller on EBay! They’re great! Aggressive enough traction to get a grip, but thing enough to snatch ahold of it quickly from a pocket or a bum bag.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Thanks doc!

[Wood]

Not seeing pictures. I wonder if they're putting on some of the alternate small frame grips from Taurus' webstore.

Ohhhhh good thinking. Here (https://shoptaurus.com/new-items/premium-manufacturing-pearl-taurus-small-frame-classic-grip) is a set of pearl grips on their website, and here (https://shoptaurus.com/new-items/premium-manufacturing-taurus-rosewood-pearl-small-frame-classic-grip) is a rosewood and pearl grip from the Taurus store. I'm not a pearl guy but the latter one is tastefully done imo. One of those in .32 might make it's way into my home if Heritage/Taurus were to do that.

[Chuck Whitlock]

I have a twin to the one in the first picture, except it sports an orange XS sight (green was OOS) and the factory rubber grips. A set of UM boot grips should be delivered today.



That's better.

121968

I will need to dress the rear corner, which is a little sharp.

121969

[revolvergeek]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240805/2675b4f9726115d0a3389e4325a253dd.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240805/94fa262afc85002c4a87f7a03f158642.jpg

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I have been debating ordering a pair of those grips to check out. I currently have Uncle Mikes Boot Grips or Eagle Secret Service grips on all my little Taurus pocket revolvers. Those look like they would be perfect on the UL380.

[Noah]

jetfire I’ve been hoping for a K frame “Roscoe”… is that something we’ll ever see? Unshrouded ejector rod, wood grips, same finish as the current guns?

[CarloMNL]

jetfire I’ve been hoping for a K frame “Roscoe”… is that something we’ll ever see? Unshrouded ejector rod, wood grips, same finish as the current guns?

I suppose they could make it happen if there's enough demand. Sort of. I don't think they have a true K-frame sized revolver. The 82 takes K-frame speed loaders but is more L-frame in size. FWIW, the Taurus 82 with a full length underlug seems to be an American SKU. I've never seen one here as all we get are half shrouds and unshrouded ejectors rods.

https://taurusarmas.com.br/pt/produtos/revolveres/revolver-rt-082-cal-38spl

https://taurusarmas.com.br/pt/produtos/revolveres/revolver-rt82s-cal-38spl-1

[jetfire]

jetfire I’ve been hoping for a K frame “Roscoe”… is that something we’ll ever see? Unshrouded ejector rod, wood grips, same finish as the current guns?

I would very much like to import the South American market 82 in a deep blue finish Ala the Roscoe and call it the Stakeout

[Noah]

I would very much like to import the South American market 82 in a deep blue finish Ala the Roscoe and call it the Stakeout

Love it!

[Buckeye63]

I kinda wish Taurus would had built the Roscoe on the 856 frame instead of the 85/605 ..frame..
I own two Taurus revolvers.. both are good to go
129106
129107

[lee n. field]

I kinda wish Taurus would had built the Roscoe on the 856 frame instead of the 85/605 ..frame..
I own two Taurus revolvers.. both are good to go


Nostalgia says, "5 shot .38".

Maybe someone could make a pin on half round front sight.

[RevolverRob]

Nostalgia says, "5 shot .38".

Maybe someone could make a pin on half round front sight.

$1 coins usually work.

Remove the old one, measure the height, make the top of the radius even with the max of the ramp, use a punch to mark the pin hole, drill, chop the coin the to match the bottom of the sight with a Dremel, insert, pin.

@Flamingo might have something in his safe wearing a half a 'gold' $1 coin as a front sight...

[Buckeye63]

Nostalgia says, "5 shot .38".

Maybe someone could make a pin on half round front sight.

Colt Detective ? Not much more nostalgic than that 🤣
856 uses same holster as the Colt

[vermilionbird]

the Roscoe being a 5 shooter and not a 6 shooter is what held me back lol. maybe one day though! it's a chance to come up with a new fun name :)

[Noah]

the Roscoe being a 5 shooter and not a 6 shooter is what held me back lol. maybe one day though! it's a chance to come up with a new fun name :)

A page or two back, Caleb said he would like to do a 6 shot called the Stakeout.

[Joe S]

A page or two back, Caleb said he would like to do a 6 shot called the Stakeout.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?60661-Caleb-strikes-again&p=1582431&viewfull=1#post1582431

Real sights, maybe, please.

[vermilionbird]

A page or two back, Caleb said he would like to do a 6 shot called the Stakeout.

if it's a snub, I'm in!

[perlslacker]

If it's called the "Stakeout," it can only be a fixed sight 4" model.

https://i.imgur.com/a14GTe9.jpeg

[Wood]

If it's called the "Stakeout," it can only be a fixed sight 4" model.

/img snip

Before I wasn't sold on it, but looking at that image...an 856 with a 4 inch barrel, no underlug, and a nice blued finish does get me thinking.

...

Actually, now I'm thinking *too* much, and the revolver of my dreams just might be an Executive Grade 327 with spurless hammer, four inch bull barrel w/ejector shroud, and adjustable sights. Willing to capitulate on the hammer if that gets this made.

this might keep me up tonight. I'm gonna mock up an image of this tomorrow morning. ugh