Glock 17L Gen 5 - its happening

[spyderco monkey]

Shocked and delighted to see this:

https://lipseys.com/itemdetail?itemno=GLPA163S101MOS

https://www.lipseyscloud.com/images/g17lg59e33.jpg?height=450&width=675&scale=canvas

I have a Gen 3 17L and it's a fantastic shooter, super mild recoil while maxing velocity. I'll absolutely be buying a Gen 5.

https://i.ibb.co/F4CYHzy/Glock-17-L-RDS-508-T-15yd.jpg

[awp_101]

I’ve never gotten deep in the weeds with Glock variants. What makes it different from a G34?

[GJM]

I’ve never gotten deep in the weeds with Glock variants. What makes it different from a G34?

6.02 barrel

[Beat Trash]

I’ve never gotten deep in the weeds with Glock variants. What makes it different from a G34?

The Glock 17L has a barrel length of 6.02" and the Glock 34 has a barrel length of 5.31".

I had a friend who owned a couple of the 17L's. I've put a respectable amount of rounds through a couple of his 17l's. If I remember correctly, he had a Gen2 and a Gen3 17L. At the time, I had a 34, a 17 and a couple of 19's.

I remember thinking the 17L seemed excessively long. At the time, I thought the 34 was pushing the length a bit.

Then one day I had my Glock 34 and a full size 1911 out of the safe at the same time. Not sure about the actual measurements, but laying the 34 and the 1911 side by side, it's about the same. I did the same thing with a Colt Commander 1911 and a Glock 17. Surprise...!

After that, the 17L didn't seem as long to me anymore.

Before the age of realistic pistol optics, the extra sight radius of the 17L helped when shooting at distance. They were definitely accurate. And they were not common, so the 17L's tended to have some of the, "Cool Guy" factor just because they were different.

I'm not so sure I want to buy one of the new gen5 17L's. But I definitely wouldn't mind spending a day with one one the range.

[YVK]

I am curious what's behind the 10 round mags deal. Ban state special order?

[Nick B]

I’m sure it’s a fun shooter but dang that thing is homely .

[CleverNickname]

I am curious what's behind the 10 round mags deal. Ban state special order?

If you go up a level on Lipsey's site (https://lipseys.com/itemfinder?mfg=GLOCK&family=G17+Series&model=G17L+G5+MOS), they also have another SKU with normal magazines.

[JonInWA]

I guess I'm curious as to what the target (no pun intended...) market for a 17L is these days.

In my mind, a decent RDS renders a 9mm longer slide/barrel pretty much irrelevant, and if there's hordes of unfulfilled bullseye or metallic silhouette shooters yearning unfulfilled in the background for such a gun I'm unaware of it.

If you're concerned about increasing velocity vis-a-vis a longer barrel, I'd think the effort would be better spent on a .40/.357 SIG platform.

Sure, it's a neat gun. I'm just uncertain of its practicality, or ability to get many to be willing to actually buy it.

Best, Jon

[cjb1911]

Add a arm brace and we have our glock pcc!

[mikey357]

I guess I'm curious as to what the target (no pun intended...) market for a 17L is these days.

In my mind, a decent RDS renders a 9mm longer slide/barrel pretty much irrelevant, and if there's hordes of unfulfilled bullseye or metallic silhouette shooters yearning unfulfilled in the background for such a gun I'm unaware of it.

If you're concerned about increasing velocity vis-a-vis a longer barrel, I'd think the effort would be better spent on a .40/.357 SIG platform.

Sure, it's a neat gun. I'm just uncertain of its practicality, or ability to get many to be willing to actually buy it.

Best, Jon

With it's "Best in Class" Sight Radius it works quite well in GSSF
Indoor Matches in the "Stock" Division and in the Amateur and
Master Competition Divisions in GSSF Outdoor Matches...Also,
no self-respecting Glock Fanboi would consider his Glock
accumulation to be complete without a 17L--Ditto for the Glock
Collector, of which there are several, or so I understand...

[Le Français]

This being an MOS, will the placement of the dovetail cause an issue with adjustable rear sights designed for the older G17Ls? I’m assuming there might be some rear overhang with Dawsons, for example.

[runngun]

Are there any good adjustable sights that don't hang off the back of a MOS Glock? Or is there an MOS plate with a dovetail that could be used? If so, it might be the push I "need" to get one of these.

[Up1911Fan]

I've only used Dawson adjustable rears, they would definitely overhang on an MOS.

[Grouse870]

Oddly enough I see this as a cool small/medium game hunting handgun. If I still lived in Arizona this would be fun to go after javelina with.

[spyderco monkey]

Add a arm brace and we have our glock pcc!

https://i.ibb.co/bFCrk54/maxresdefault.jpg

[spyderco monkey]

I guess I'm curious as to what the target (no pun intended...) market for a 17L is these days.

If you're concerned about increasing velocity vis-a-vis a longer barrel, I'd think the effort would be better spent on a .40/.357 SIG platform.



I got mine as a lazy ballistic nerds platform - to get as close to .357 Sig performance without having to adopt new a new caliber, and to exceed 5.7x28 penetration when firing solid copper 9mm's. Basically a Glock 31 and FN Five seveN in one pistol.

Subsequently, I found it was just a really mild shooting, fun target pistol. It's my go to range gun, and if theres ever a situation where its appropriate to have an OWB sidearm, it would be what I'd carry for that.

...

A list of velocities I've catalogued from various 17L reviews over they years. It basically turns normal 9mm into +P, +P 9mm into +p+, and +p+ loads into .357 SIG zone.

Gold Dot 124gr +p 1338fps, 1324fps

Gold Dot 124gr standard 1180fps

Federal HST 124gr 1198fps, 1208fps

Black Hills 124gr +P 1301fps

Corbon 115gr +P 1502fps , 1533fps

Corbon 124gr +P 1386fps

Super Vel 115gr +P 1343fps

Super Vel 90gr +P 1632fps

Federal 115gr 1292fps

Federal HST 147gr 1123fps

Federal HST 147gr new 2022 1040fps

Fiochi 115gr FMJ 9AP 1350fps

Hornady Custom 147 XTP 1047fps

Underwood 115gr +p+ (lone wolf barrel) 1600fps


Glock 43 vs G19 vs G34 velocities; 17L then adds fps onto whatever you see here with the G34.

https://i.ibb.co/YR74pjj/9mm-Glock-Velocities.png

[paherne]

Are Pf members REALLY questioning the actual viability/useability of a firearm? Are you fracking kidding me? It's fun and looks cool. The Gen 2 and Gen3 G17Ls I've shot are awesome and I wish I had one. Maybe I will get one of these.

[echo5charlie]

I am curious what's behind the 10 round mags deal. Ban state special order?

https://lipseys.com/itemdetail?itemno=GLPA163S103MOS

[Coal Train]

I wonder if these will have the "speed hole" in the top of the slide or if the'll be like the Gen 5 G34's?

[CleverNickname]

https://i.ibb.co/bFCrk54/maxresdefault.jpg

I have* a similar G17L SBR in a USW-G17 chassis. After shooting it for awhile, IMO stocked pistols are dumb. Either get a slightly larger MP5K/TP9-sized PCC and improve the shootability a whole lot, or leave the gun as a pistol and improve the carry-ability. But it's right in the middle and gets the bad characteristics of both.

118226

*Sold last year to another Texas resident, but still in my possession waiting on the form 4.

[JonInWA]

While I grant the viability of the G17L in GSSF (hadn't thought of that one, and I'm an active GSSF participant), I still think the G34 makes a tad more sense than the G17L. But far be it for me to deprive anyone else their ability to have fun.

For me, even the G34, good as it undeniably was, didn't really do to much for me in the long run. It just didn't seem to do much discernably better than my G17 and G19, so even though it was an excellent pistol (and to which I upgraded the sights to an excellent set of Warren Tacticals), I ended up just not shooting or carrying it much, so I eventually sold or traded it.

I agree with the concept of the longer barrel upgrading 9mm +P+ to .357 SIG territory, but then I just went and got the Glock .357 SIG barrel for my Gen4 G22, so that pretty much ended any residual interest in longer-barrelled 9mm Glocks.

Has anyone ballistically compared quality 9mm +P+ from a G17L (or G34) and compared it to .357 SIG out of various platforms/barrel lengths? I'd be curious regarding the 9mm's bullet and velocity drop over distance, compared to that of .357 SIG's.

Best, Jon

[coN]

I own a G3 model. Nice fun gun when paired with a Timney trigger feels like cheating at the range. If someone if willing to buy the G3 I'd be willing to go with a G5 model with a 507C.

[spyderco monkey]

I agree with the concept of the longer barrel upgrading 9mm +P+ to .357 SIG territory, but then I just went and got the Glock .357 SIG barrel for my Gen4 G22, so that pretty much ended any residual interest in longer-barrelled 9mm Glocks.

Has anyone ballistically compared quality 9mm +P+ from a G17L (or G34) and compared it to .357 SIG out of various platforms/barrel lengths? I'd be curious regarding the 9mm's bullet and velocity drop over distance, compared to that of .357 SIG's.

Best, Jon

Lucky Gunner did a 100yd test that was pretty interesting. Because .357 SIG uses a 'tougher' bullet then 9mm, optimized for high velocity and (I assume) better barrier penetration, it actually did the worst at 100yds.

https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/how-effective-is-pistol-ammo-at-100-yards/

https://loungecdn.luckygunner.com/lounge/media/100-yd-pistol-velocity.jpg

https://loungecdn.luckygunner.com/lounge/media/100-yd-ballistic-gel-results.jpg

https://loungecdn.luckygunner.com/lounge/media/100-yd-expanded-bullets.jpg

That said at closer range, .357 SIG is more powerful then the 17L; here it's doing 1360fps vs 1300-1340fps for a 9mm+p Gold Dot from the 17L I've seen in past tests. And Underwood has loads that get the .357 SIG up to 1500fps+.

[Coal Train]

The G17L is now on the Glock webpage.

They removed the speed hole on the top. My preference would be for a non-MOS version (and the Glock 34 too).

https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/G17L-Gen5-MOS

[Trajan]

The G17L is now on the Glock webpage.

They removed the speed hole on the top. My preference would be for a non-MOS version (and the Glock 34 too).

https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/G17L-Gen5-MOS
I'm curious how that even works. I know they go deeper on the cuts along the striker, but it is also an MOS...

[steve]

The G17L is now on the Glock webpage.

They removed the speed hole on the top. My preference would be for a non-MOS version (and the Glock 34 too).

https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/G17L-Gen5-MOS

Damn, now my Gen3 needs a brother.

[Noah]

I'm curious how that even works. I know they go deeper on the cuts along the striker, but it is also an MOS...

The 34 has cuts along the striker as well as the left hand side of the wall of the slide along the chamber.

[echo5charlie]

I'm curious how that even works. I know they go deeper on the cuts along the striker, but it is also an MOS...

Glock isn't restricted in RSA selection as they were with Gen 3 pistols. The G17L.1-3 uses the same RSA as a G17.1-3 or G22.2-3 or G34.3 (ad nauseam) so the weight of the G17L.3 slide had to work with internal ballistics of the 6" barrel and a RSA that was tuned for a different setup, hence the extreme lightning cuts inside and out. Early in the days of the Gen 4 pistols they found out that the 'one RSA too rule them all' was a failure and adjusted accordingly.

I can also attest that the G17L.3s I have fired did not like lower powered factory ammo - I have watched casings dance on top of the slide because there was not enough oomph to clear the weapon properly. I was always hoping one would drop into the slide lightning cut......


Now, to see if the G17L.5 has a unique RSA will be neat.

[echo5charlie]

The G17L is now on the Glock webpage.

They removed the speed hole on the top. My preference would be for a non-MOS version (and the Glock 34 too).

https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/G17L-Gen5-MOS

I've always been told they are called lightning cuts, but I like this better, phrasing and all that jazz.

[HCM]

The G17L is now on the Glock webpage.

They removed the speed hole on the top. My preference would be for a non-MOS version (and the Glock 34 too).

https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/G17L-Gen5-MOS

Wait 10 more years and non optics capable pistols will be a "retro" craze like carry handle AR's.

But for the present, the future is now old man.

[Coal Train]

I've always been told they are called lightning cuts, but I like this better, phrasing and all that jazz.
They are definitely officially called lightning cuts but they always remind me of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8ASgGwxJyc

[Trajan]

The 34 has cuts along the striker as well as the left hand side of the wall of the slide along the chamber.
Yeah, but IIRC they aren't as deep. The 17L had those cuts already on the gen 3.

Glock isn't restricted in RSA selection as they were with Gen 3 pistols. The G17L.1-3 uses the same RSA as a G17.1-3 or G22.2-3 or G34.3 (ad nauseam) so the weight of the G17L.3 slide had to work with internal ballistics of the 6" barrel and a RSA that was tuned for a different setup, hence the extreme lightning cuts inside and out. Early in the days of the Gen 4 pistols they found out that the 'one RSA too rule them all' was a failure and adjusted accordingly.

I can also attest that the G17L.3s I have fired did not like lower powered factory ammo - I have watched casings dance on top of the slide because there was not enough oomph to clear the weapon properly. I was always hoping one would drop into the slide lightning cut......


Now, to see if the G17L.5 has a unique RSA will be neat.
I remember the 0-1 and 0-1-2 RSA thing when the 4s first came out. I was under the impression that 17s and 34s still used the same RSAs.

[echo5charlie]

Yeah, but IIRC they aren't as deep. The 17L had those cuts already on the gen 3.

I remember the 0-1 and 0-1-2 RSA thing when the 4s first came out. I was under the impression that 17s and 34s still used the same RSAs.

Yep, the 17 and 34 use the same RSA (1-3 for Gen5, 0-2-4 for Gen 4, and 5579-1 for Gen 1-3). Caveat here: those Gen4/5 part numbers may be outdated as my info is based on the Glock order form from 2/8/2023.

[the Schwartz]

I'm not so sure I want to buy one of the new gen5 17L's. But I definitely wouldn't mind spending a day with one one the range.

Same thoughts as you; I s'pose that I need to be "convinced" that this is one that I want/need*.

Those damned forward serrations though! Ugh.

Are we still doing the Cooper 'press check'?

Asking 'cause I am outta touch.







*there's no difference between the two terms for me these days.

[jellydonut]

So they can do this goofball of a gun but they can't release the Acro-cut MOS versions to the public?

[Le Français]

My preference would be for a non-MOS version (and the Glock 34 too).

Agreed. I would already have ordered one if it were non-MOS. A big part of the appeal of the 17L, and why I like my Gen3, is the long sight radius. This MOS version just makes it harder to put a good rear sight on it without overhang, and adds a plate and screws I have no use for.

[the Schwartz]

Agreed. I would already have ordered one if it were non-MOS. A big part of the appeal of the 17L, and why I like my Gen3, is the long sight radius. This MOS version just makes it harder to put a good rear sight on it without overhang, and adds a plate and screws I have no use for.

Like you're reading my mind...

[CleverNickname]

I wonder if these will have the "speed hole" in the top of the slide or if the'll be like the Gen 5 G34's?
No lightening cut.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh1Hqj0Ukp8

[Hambo]

So they can do this goofball of a gun but they can't release the Acro-cut MOS versions to the public?

Austrians, man. What you want is not what you really need.

[spyderco monkey]

No lightening cut.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh1Hqj0Ukp8

Instead, it uses a removable polymer 'nose cover' that the spring presses into...not really excited about that choice. Seems like if that plastic part breaks the gun is DOA, seemingly more of a concern then dirt getting into the lightening cut.

https://i.ibb.co/Y3vdwQC/Screen-Shot-2024-05-21-at-3-13-03-AM.png

[Le Français]

The Gen3s are available for under $600 again.