SIG Intros 1911X Pistols

[Tokarev]

I see SIG has a couple new 1911 offerings. I'm actually surprised these aren't available in 9mm.

https://www.sigsauer.com/1911-xfull.html

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[Le Français]

That looks really good. Good enough for me to buy a Sig? Nah.

[Tokarev]

That looks really good. Good enough for me to buy a Sig? Nah.A former co-worker had a Max Michel he used in USPSA Single Stack. The gun always ran great from what little I saw.

SIG at one point had probably more variants of the 1911 that any other maker. Maybe that was a problem. Too many vairants to really dial in the QC?

In any case, it looks like the offerings have really been trimmed back.

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[Tokarev]

Here's a look at the FDE version

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[RAM Engineer]

I see SIG has a couple new 1911 offerings. I'm actually surprised these aren't available in 9mm.

https://www.sigsauer.com/1911-xfull.html

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Trying to minimize reliability issues by sticking to 45 for the launch, probably.

[60167]

These look sharp, and I don't mind the external extractor.

[Tokarev]

I don't mind the external extractor.

SIG's version seems to actually work.

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[Tokarev]

I was just looking at the Caspian website. They offered a SIG external extractor as an option. I don't see it being offered any more.

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[Robert Mitchum]

https://youtu.be/zWpzdobxrJQ

[Polecat]

Maybe a micro 2011x to best the S&W cSX!

[HeavyDuty]

I wish they’d bring their C3 CCO back.

[G19Fan]

Getting one as soon as a 9mm commander is out

[Borderland]

A former co-worker had a Max Michel he used in USPSA Single Stack. The gun always ran great from what little I saw.

SIG at one point had probably more variants of the 1911 that any other maker. Maybe that was a problem. Too many vairants to really dial in the QC?

In any case, it looks like the offerings have really been trimmed back.

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Kimber. But obviously they aren't tuned in to the 1911 market.

A neighbor just purchased one for $600 used. I haven't seen it but I bet it's a shooter.

[Joe in PNG]

Getting one as soon as a 9mm commander is out

While I'm not specifically planning to do likewise, it's going to be very hard not to do likewise.

[Texaspoff]

Getting one as soon as a 9mm commander is out

Same here, I would be in for one in that configuration. I don't need any more 45 1911's.



TXPO

[Bucky]

I see SIG has a couple new 1911 offerings. I'm actually surprised these aren't available in 9mm.


I’m surprised it’s not a wide body.

[HeavyDuty]

Same here, I would be in for one in that configuration. I don't need any more 45 1911's.



TXPO

Sacrilege!

[Tokarev]

Same here, I would be in for one in that configuration. I don't need any more 45 1911's.



TXPOLooking at SIG's 1911 lineup I'm not seeing anything other than 45 Auto. I know SIG previously offered several different 9mm 1911s and also at least one in 40 S&W.

I think these various calibers worked okay. Biggest complaint I remember from back in the day was SIG's use of a rather blocky slide that sort of looked like a P22X. This complicated holster selection.

Also gone from the SIG 1911 line is anything smaller than Commander.

I assume if these other options had sold well, SIG would still be offering them. But then SIG does have a reputation of abandoning products just as they start to become popular.

It will be interesting to see what happens here. Will other companies take note and start selling railed and optic gun single stacks and/or will SIG drop the 1911-X line next year to spite those who were saving their pennies or waiting on others to provide feedback?

I guess I'm actually a bit surprised that Springfield didn't announce a single stack Operator with the Prodigy/Agency plate. And, yes, I'm also surprised this new SIG isn't a double stack. Who owns the old Para brand nowadays?

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[HeavyDuty]

When I lived in NH and was a regular at the SIG Academy Pro Shop, I would usually eyeball the 1911s on display. At that point they were getting scarce - I came close to picking up a steel frame bobtail Commander that they made but ended up with DW ECPs instead. I’ve wanted a C3 for a gazillion years, but really don’t need one.

[RAM Engineer]

1. I'm glad it is single stack. I still don't trust any double stack 1911, and the price premium that "feature" commands isn't worth it to me.

2. I'm glad it is 45. If you've been a longtime reader of Yam, Vickers, and feedback from users, 9mm and 40S&W 1911s have never been worth the squeeze.

3. I'm glad it is full size. See #2.

Someone above mentioned SIGs enormous number of 1911 SKUs in the past and Kimber as well...there is a reason those TWO companies were that way, and it had to do with a single individual. And it tied directly to a decline in quality.

[Darth_Uno]

And, yes, I'm also surprised this new SIG isn't a double stack. Who owns the old Para brand nowadays?

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I believe it was bought by Remington (or whoever owned Remington) a while back. Not sure if it's 100% gone or filed away for later.


Biggest complaint I remember from back in the day was SIG's use of a rather blocky slide that sort of looked like a P22X. This complicated holster selection.

I had a Sig Blackwater over a decade ago. It was Sig's answer to the Kimber TLE/RL and comparable models. Shot very well, and I really liked it, but I never did get a holster for it. Sig's external extractors are arguably (or at least Sig will tell you) better than the old internal extractors - I certainly never had an issue.

Side note: Sig dropped the Blackwater name and re-labeled it the TacOps. It was 100% identical other than the name. If you have a Blackwater, it might have a small bit of collector value.

[RevolverRob]

These look sharp, and I don't mind the external extractor.

Literally.

They look razor sharp in many places. I'd want to handle one first, because the finish is nice, but may be ruined be having to stone all the sharp spots down.

[Bucky]

1. I'm glad it is single stack. I still don't trust any double stack 1911, and the price premium that "feature" commands isn't worth it to me.


Won't argue in .45, but in my experience, I'd trust a double stack in 9mm over a single stack. But yes, we're talking a .45.

[Jim Watson]

I'm also surprised this new SIG isn't a double stack.

Maybe they don't want to compete with their own P226, P320, P365 products.

[Tokarev]

https://inside.safariland.com/blog/sig-sauers-1911-xseries-modern-take-on-a-classic-design/

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[HeavyDuty]

I know they are accommodating their own line of red dots, but RMS-C footprint? Really?

[Robinson]

I wonder if the new models have the firing pin safety.

[Noah]

I know they are accommodating their own line of red dots, but RMS-C footprint? Really?

Probably actually a 507K style footprint like the P365.

Aren't the larger footprints (RMR and DPP etc) too wide for a standard 1911 without an adapter plate?

[Tokarev]

Aren't the larger footprints (RMR and DPP etc) too wide for a standard 1911 without an adapter plate?

DPP is direct mount on the Staccato I believe. But, yes, the RMR screws are too far apart to work on a standard 1911 slide. Note that Stealth Arms is doing a direct mount RMR for the Platypus. The slide is a bit wider at the cocking serrations to accommodate the wide screw spacing.

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[HeavyDuty]

Probably actually a 507K style footprint like the P365.

Aren't the larger footprints (RMR and DPP etc) too wide for a standard 1911 without an adapter plate?

Just going off their specs here - plus one of the options is with a preinstalled Romeo-X Compact which is RMSc. Or is 507c a variant off RMSc?

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[Noah]

Just going off their specs here - plus one of the options is with a preinstalled Romeo-X Compact which is RMSc. Or is 507c a variant off RMSc?

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The Sig optics are the same as a 507K (if I said C earlier, I meant K) which has shorter front posts and no rear posts. An RMSC will fit a Sig/507K footprint but not the other way around.

Many (but not all- non 30 Super Carry Shield Plus and Glock Slimline MOS have all 4 posts) "RMSC" cuts are actually 507K cuts.

Point being, the RMR is too wide and Sig is always going to support their optics, but if this is the same RMSC cut that already exists on the P365, it will allow you to direct mount a Holosun EPS, EPS Carry, SCS Carry, SCS 320, and a few Sig optics.

ETA: looks like Sig is calling it the "Compact (RMSC)" footprint. Which further leads me to think its the same 507K type cut on the 365.

I'm not trying to argue with you- instead trying to point out why the 507K cut makes sense and is good news not bad news.

[vcdgrips]

Did I miss a price list?

[TheNewbie]

Will these be “Series 80” like previous Sigs or “Series 70”?


VCD and I both seem to be missing a price list, if one has even been listed.

[Jay585]

Did I miss a price list?


Will these be “Series 80” like previous Sigs or “Series 70”?


VCD and I both seem to be missing a price list, if one has even been listed.

https://battlehawkarmory.com/product/sig-1911-xseries-45acp-5-8rd-blk

$1500

[HeavyDuty]

The Sig optics are the same as a 507K (if I said C earlier, I meant K) which has shorter front posts and no rear posts. An RMSC will fit a Sig/507K footprint but not the other way around.

Many (but not all- non 30 Super Carry Shield Plus and Glock Slimline MOS have all 4 posts) "RMSC" cuts are actually 507K cuts.

Point being, the RMR is too wide and Sig is always going to support their optics, but if this is the same RMSC cut that already exists on the P365, it will allow you to direct mount a Holosun EPS, EPS Carry, SCS Carry, SCS 320, and a few Sig optics.

ETA: looks like Sig is calling it the "Compact (RMSC)" footprint. Which further leads me to think its the same 507K type cut on the 365.

I'm not trying to argue with you- instead trying to point out why the 507K cut makes sense and is good news not bad news.

Not taking it as an argument at all - thank you for clarifying! Once we wander away from RMR and ACRO, it’s all a mystery to me.

And from reading it sounds like the Romeo-X Compact may not be a horrid sight.

[HeavyDuty]

https://battlehawkarmory.com/product/sig-1911-xseries-45acp-5-8rd-blk

$1500

And $1800 for the Romeo-X Compact equipped model, a $100 price break but you lose the blank plate.

[Noah]

Not taking it as an argument at all - thank you for clarifying! Once we wander away from RMR and ACRO, it’s all a mystery to me.

And from reading it sounds like the Romeo-X Compact may not be a horrid sight.

The 507K footprint has, more so than the footprints for duty size guns, really become the standard for all the slim and micro compact guns. Lots of good options!

ETA- I included the SCS 320 in the list above, but that is a DPP print.

[Tokarev]

The Sig optics are the same as a 507K (if I said C earlier, I meant K) which has shorter front posts and no rear posts. An RMSC will fit a Sig/507K footprint but not the other way around.

Many (but not all- non 30 Super Carry Shield Plus and Glock Slimline MOS have all 4 posts) "RMSC" cuts are actually 507K cuts.

Point being, the RMR is too wide and Sig is always going to support their optics, but if this is the same RMSC cut that already exists on the P365, it will allow you to direct mount a Holosun EPS, EPS Carry, SCS Carry, SCS 320, and a few Sig optics.

ETA: looks like Sig is calling it the "Compact (RMSC)" footprint. Which further leads me to think its the same 507K type cut on the 365.

I'm not trying to argue with you- instead trying to point out why the 507K cut makes sense and is good news not bad news.Here's a bit about the optic construction and features:

The optics is crafted from 7075 aircraft-grade aluminum featuring machined anti-reflection grooves on shooter-facing surfaces with distortion-free aspheric glass and a patent-pending Beryllium Copper flexure-arm adjustment system. The ROMEO-X incorporates a high-efficiency point source red LED emitter with 2 MOA dot / 32 MOA circle reticle, side independent brightness adjustment buttons, 15 brightness settings including night vision settings, and a side-mounted CR1632 battery compartment with a threaded battery cap so the optic does not need to be removed from the pistol for battery changes. Additionally, the ROMEO-X offers a low deck height for standard-height iron sight co-witness, has a minimum continuous runtime of 20,000 hours at medium brightness setting and utilizes MOTAC[emoji769] (Motion Activated Illumination), MAGNETAC[emoji769] (Magnetic Activation), and D.A.R.C[emoji769] (Dark Adaptive Reticles & Coatings) technologies.

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[RAM Engineer]

I'm waiting for optic manufacturers to adopt the "mullet" configuration optic: RMSc on the bottom, and standard size windows.

EPSc mounting with EPS window

Romeo-X Compact mounting with Romeo-X Pro window

[Tokarev]

EPSc mounting with EPS window



Isn't that what the EPS already uses? Doesn't the 407/507K, EPS Carry and EPS all have the same mount?

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[Elwin]

If I was getting into 1911s with a fresh start today, I think it would be very hard to go with something other than this in the production range of options, especially at $1500. And I hate saying that about a SIG.

The optic cut makes perfect sense. On a 1911, I’d argue that the two best options right now are either going with the K/RMSc footprint for concealment or doing a direct mount ACRO or 509 for open carry or duty uses.

It’s a solid feature set that I’d only see myself making a couple tweaks to. Assuming it works, it may be “the answer” for an optic capable 1911 that’s meaningfully under two grand.

All of which means that, like others, I’m wondering when and how SIG is going to ruin a good thing.

[Tokarev]

All of which means that, like others, I’m wondering when and how SIG is going to ruin a good thing.

SIG will screw this up (aside from any QC issues that may pop up) by not getting the Commander size out on time and then by generally not supporting the pistol. As we all know, SIG seems to randomly just drop production of various products on a whim.

SIG 1911s have seemed to be generally free of drama. At least functionally. Lots of gnashing of teeth, especially early on, about the dumb slide profile and lack of holsters. That's not as big an issue now with some holster makers offering specific SIG holsters.

This new gun seems to check all the boxes for a modern single stack 1911 aside from maybe the choice to stick with 45 Auto. I like 45 and have shot a bunch of it over the years. I wouldn't hesitate to carry Gold Dot or HST on duty. I'd also say the same for a 9mm and feel comfortable with a couple extra bullets in the clip. :cool:



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[RAM Engineer]

Isn't that what the EPS already uses? Doesn't the 407/507K, EPS Carry and EPS all have the same mount?

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Maybe, but the EPS base is wider than the EPS Carry. I'm talking something that starts small at the bottom, for narrow slides (P365, 1911, etc) and flares out slightly for the window. Not to SRO or 507Comp size, but rather to standard EPS/508/509 sizes.

[Noah]

Maybe, but the EPS base is wider than the EPS Carry. I'm talking something that starts small at the bottom, for narrow slides (P365, 1911, etc) and flares out slightly for the window. Not to SRO or 507Comp size, but rather to standard EPS/508/509 sizes.

I mean, what's the real difference between the deck being narrow then window wider, vs the "step" in width being at the transition from slide to optic depth?

You're certainly right in that either way can be done.

[HeavyDuty]

I was doing dryfire practice last night with the new G45 and ACRO against my original iron sighted G45. It really showed how much easier I work with red dots these days as my eyes continue to degrade.

One of these might be a very good personal option for an easy button 5” .45 with RDO.

[Sensei]

SIG will screw this up (aside from any QC issues that may pop up) by not getting the Commander size out on time and then by generally not supporting the pistol. As we all know, SIG seems to randomly just drop production of various products on a whim.

SIG 1911s have seemed to be generally free of drama. At least functionally. Lots of gnashing of teeth, especially early on, about the dumb slide profile and lack of holsters. That's not as big an issue now with some holster makers offering specific SIG holsters.

This new gun seems to check all the boxes for a modern single stack 1911 aside from maybe the choice to stick with 45 Auto. I like 45 and have shot a bunch of it over the years. I wouldn't hesitate to carry Gold Dot or HST on duty. I'd also say the same for a 9mm and feel comfortable with a couple extra bullets in the clip. :cool:


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If it doesn’t fit in a 1911 holster, then I have one thing to say…


https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/77501c38-45f0-4d5d-82ca-300d570d9104

[Tokarev]

If it doesn’t fit in a 1911 holster, then I have one thing to say…

http://https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/77501c38-45f0-4d5d-82ca-300d570d9104 (https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/77501c38-45f0-4d5d-82ca-300d570d9104)
The gun will probably fit into a Safariland Staccato duty holster with an X300 or TLR-1 attached. And then any of the various multi-fit holsters that go off the light and not the pistol will probably work.



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[zaitcev]

Does the scallop above the extractor actually work, or is it a boomer superstition?

[Robinson]

Does the scallop above the extractor actually work, or is it a boomer superstition?

Lowering the ejection port keeps empty cases from being dented during ejection. Not much to do with reliable function.

The flared section that you refer to as a "scallop" is mostly cosmetic to go along with the lowered port.

There were actually reasons Browning designed the original ejection port the way he did.

[Tokarev]

https://youtu.be/i4El77781dQ?si=aqVNU18xmbRw3CNB

[parishioner]

Any word on the percentage of MIM in these? How much was in the older Sig 1911s?

[Robinson]

Any word on the percentage of MIM in these? How much was in the older Sig 1911s?

I assume the new Sig line will contain cast and MIM parts, just like Sig's other 1911 models. That means most of the small parts. But we'll have to wait for a good review to find out.

American made 1911s with all machined parts start in the $1800-$2000 range and the new Sigs are below that price point.

[jeep45238]

Outside of optic, what odes this offer over a DW Valor?

[HeavyDuty]

Outside of optic, what odes this offer over a DW Valor?

Money in your wallet?

[HeavyDuty]

Crap. I’m finding myself looking everywhere for info on these. I feel a partial Glock selloff coming on.

[Tokarev]

Crap. I’m finding myself looking everywhere for info on these. I feel a partial Glock selloff coming on.Reviews so far are pretty scarce. Surprisingly little info at all on YouTube aside from the SIG promotional videos and the ANR review I already linked.

I looked at one of the black ones at the local Big SIG shop. It really seems like a nice pistol. Smooth action, good general fit and finish, etc.



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[HeavyDuty]

I may make some calls and take a drive this weekend. I miss living in NH right now.

[TOTS]

Money in your wallet?
What’s the use of having money if you can’t use it to get a Dan Wesson instead of a Sig?!

[HeavyDuty]

I like my ECPs, I won’t lie.

[Tokarev]

I may make some calls and take a drive this weekend.

Any luck?

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[HeavyDuty]

Any luck?

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A couple “you should have been here last week” comments, nothing else.

[Tokarev]

https://youtu.be/_DRckiAfV2s?si=FR80x9UfvyldxE1S

[HeavyDuty]

I really wish substantial reviews would show up, but I realize it’s early. I just wonder if the lack of shooting reviews is indicative of issues.

[Crusader]

If your like me and are already heavily invested in 1911s with a large assortment of different types and styles of holsters, you tend to automatically rule out any Sig 1911. Because of the oddly shaped slide making it incompatible with what you’ve already invested a lot of money into. Especially when there are so many others out there that will plug and play with what you already have.

[Tokarev]

If your like me and are already heavily invested in 1911s with a large assortment of different types and styles of holsters, you tend to automatically rule out any Sig 1911. Because of the oddly shaped slide making it incompatible with what you’ve already invested a lot of money into. Especially when there are so many others out there that will plug and play with what you already have.I'd say the rail will be the impediment here and not the slide profile.

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[Tokarev]

I really wish substantial reviews would show up, but I realize it’s early. I just wonder if the lack of shooting reviews is indicative of issues.I'd guess SIG just doesn't see the need to do an all-out Springfield Echelon or Prodigy marketing blitz?

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[HeavyDuty]

If your like me and are already heavily invested in 1911s with a large assortment of different types and styles of holsters, you tend to automatically rule out any Sig 1911. Because of the oddly shaped slide making it incompatible with what you’ve already invested a lot of money into. Especially when there are so many others out there that will plug and play with what you already have.


I'd say the rail will be the impediment here and not the slide profile.

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I have no other railed 1911s, so that’s not an issue here.

[Tokarev]

I have no other railed 1911s, so that’s not an issue here.I think I've said this already but I'd be shocked if the Werkz Origin or PHLSTER Floodlight wouldn't work here.

Also, Blackpoint Tactical is showing the 1911 X as an available option under the Model 1911 list if someone wanted a dedicated holster.



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[Crusader]

I'd say the rail will be the impediment here and not the slide profile.

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Nope it is the slide profile, I have holsters for 1911s with and without rails. Have a couple Safariland’s that work with both. Every 1911 I own from WC, EB, Colt, SA, Kimber 5 and 4.25 inch are interchangeable with those holsters. Sig is not, I tried my buddies Scorpion Sig 1911 in two of my holsters and it was a no go.

[Tokarev]

Nope it is the slide profile, I have holsters for 1911s with and without rails. Have a couple Safariland’s that work with both. Every 1911 I own from WC, EB, Colt, SA, Kimber 5 and 4.25 inch are interchangeable with those holsters. Sig is not, I tried my buddies Scorpion Sig 1911 in two of my holsters and it was a no go.

These guns all have rails? Unless you're already running a railed 1911 in a railed 1911 holster, this gun isn't going to fit regardless.





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[HeavyDuty]

Nope it is the slide profile, I have holsters for 1911s with and without rails. Have a couple Safariland’s that work with both. Every 1911 I own from WC, EB, Colt, SA, Kimber 5 and 4.25 inch are interchangeable with those holsters. Sig is not, I tried my buddies Scorpion Sig 1911 in two of my holsters and it was a no go.

The new 1911X doesn’t have the same blocky top profile as the Scorpion - it is a rounder top with styling facets. P320 styled instead of P220.

[Crusader]

These guns all have rails? Unless you're already running a railed 1911 in a railed 1911 holster, this gun isn't going to fit regardless.





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Read my post again it specifically says railed and un-railed holster and two that work with either or. I own three railed 1911s from three different manufacturers that are all interchangeable with all my railed/light holsters. The Sig did not come close to fitting because of the slide profile.

Now if they change the profile with the new Sig 1911s, maybe they will work with a standard railed 1911 holster. But I would not buy one unless I was able to confirm this with my holsters.

[Tokarev]

Read my post again it specifically says railed and un-railed holster and two that work with either or. I own three railed 1911s from three different manufacturers that are all interchangeable with all my railed/light holsters. The Sig did not come close to fitting because of the slide profile.

Now if they change the profile with the new Sig 1911s, maybe they will work with a standard railed 1911 holster. But I would not buy one unless I was able to confirm this with my holsters.I did read your post but it wasn't clear to me what you were referring to.

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[TC215]

Read my post again it specifically says railed and un-railed holster and two that work with either or. I own three railed 1911s from three different manufacturers that are all interchangeable with all my railed/light holsters. The Sig did not come close to fitting because of the slide profile.

Now if they change the profile with the new Sig 1911s, maybe they will work with a standard railed 1911 holster. But I would not buy one unless I was able to confirm this with my holsters.

Sig has made 1911’s with a traditional-profile slide for years, and they fit normal 1911 holsters.


https://www.sigtalk.com/attachments/s1-png.37079/

[Crusader]

Sig has made 1911’s with a traditional-profile slide for years, and they fit normal 1911 holsters.


https://www.sigtalk.com/attachments/s1-png.37079/

I’m aware of that, but I’ve never seen one even in a shop only on line and it’s not the case for all their different models of 1911s only a select few. I wish it was as easy as I’ll take that model with the traditional slide, but that’s far from the case. In reality the specific model you want will most likely not be offered with a traditional slide.

[TC215]

I’m aware of that, but I’ve never seen one even in a shop only on line and it’s not the case for all their different models of 1911s only a select few. I wish it was as easy as I’ll take that model with the traditional slide, but that’s far from the case. In reality the specific model you want will most likely not be offered with a traditional slide.

They actually made quite a few models with the traditional slide, but Sig also went through a period where they introduced and discontinued models at a ridiculous rate and some of them weren’t available for very long. I was issued a traditional TacOps 1911 at my old department, and I believe those have been discontinued now too.

I’m not a fan of Sig 1911s, but ours ran a lot better than I thought they would.

[Crusader]

They actually made quite a few models with the traditional slide, but Sig also went through a period where they introduced and discontinued models at a ridiculous rate and some of them weren’t available for very long. I was issued a traditional TacOps 1911 at my old department, and I believe those have been discontinued now too.

I’m not a fan of Sig 1911s, but ours ran a lot better than I thought they would.

I’ve shot a few different Sig 1911s, my buddy had a Scorpion and then a different model Scorpion Empire or something like that and a more plan Jane one. They all seemed to run fine, the rear sight did work its way lose on one of my buddies guns. But that’s about the only problem he had with them. Yes Sig changes/discontinues models left and right very hard to keep up with them.

My only real complaint with them as production 1911s is the odd slide profiles, I get it Sig wants to put their stamp on their guns but it’s a deterrent for long time 1911 shooters. For those just getting their first 1911 not a problem.

[Tokarev]

i was issued a traditional TacOps 1911 at my old department

What is that department using now?

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[TC215]

I’ve shot a few different Sig 1911s, my buddy had a Scorpion and then a different model Scorpion Empire or something like that and a more plan Jane one. They all seemed to run fine, the rear sight did work its way lose on one of my buddies guns. But that’s about the only problem he had with them. Yes Sig changes/discontinues models left and right very hard to keep up with them.

My only real complaint with them as production 1911s is the odd slide profiles, I get it Sig wants to put their stamp on their guns but it’s a deterrent for long time 1911 shooters. For those just getting their first 1911 not a problem.

We had issues with rear sights falling off, mag wells getting loose, grip screw bushings coming out, etc. But they ran pretty good.

[TC215]

What is that department using now?

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The 1911’s were just for SWAT. That department, including SWAT, is about to transition everyone over to G45’s with 509Ts.

[Tokarev]

The 1911’s were just for SWAT. That department, including SWAT, is about to transition everyone over to G45’s with 509Ts.Are the team guys happy to be rid of the SIGs? Nobody is pushing for Staccato?

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[TC215]

Are the team guys happy to be rid of the SIGs? Nobody is pushing for Staccato?

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Before I left 5 years ago, there were a few guys that carried the standard issue Glock 21 instead of the Sig, but most guys liked the 1911. They did request Staccatos when the 9mm transition was decided, but the command staff literally laughed when they heard the price.

[Crusader]

The 1911’s were just for SWAT. That department, including SWAT, is about to transition everyone over to G45’s with 509Ts.

For awhile seems a lot of SWAT reams were running 1911s while the rest of the department did not. Mine never did, but interesting enough. While we had Glock 22s, our SWAT team was issued G35’s.

[TC215]

For awhile seems a lot of SWAT reams were running 1911s while the rest of the department did not. Mine never did, but interesting enough. While we had Glock 22s, our SWAT team was issued G35’s.

I was against the switch to 1911s, which surprised a lot of people because I was known as the 1911 guy. The people making the decisions figured we were special and needed a special gun.

[Tokarev]

Here are some good pics of the new gun. I'm curious to see what this one sells for.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1043048103

[HeavyDuty]

Here are some good pics of the new gun. I'm curious to see what this one sells for.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1043048103

Too bad a goat crapped on that one…

[Tokarev]

Too bad a goat crapped on that one…I like the color. I think it ties in well with the M17 / P320 slide profile.

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[TOTS]

I like the color. I think it ties in well with the M17 / P320 slide profile.

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I think they bring in a little 210 as well with the raised rear sight platform. You can see the slide profile lower at the rear of the optic cut plate. I probably wouldn’t mind it if I wasn’t already very familiar with real 1911s.

[Boxy]

Interesting that the manufacturers continue to present 1911 products in 45 ACP to the market when the conventional wisdom trends to striker 9mm type service pistols for the masses.

[Crusader]

I like the color. I think it ties in well with the M17 / P320 slide profile.

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Yeah earth tone guns, FDE and OD are usually a love or hate thing. Many really dislike, I’m a big fan and own many in both colors or a combination. I think Sig did a nice job with the FDE on that gun.

[ECVMatt]

For some reason, I really like this gun.

As a lefty, I am extremely thankful for the ambi safety. I like the color, the appearance of the slide and the integration of the slide cut.

No if I just didn't live in CA, I would probably run out and buy one.

[Tokarev]

Safariland holsters for 1911s with rails.



https://safariland.com/pages/1911-w-rails-holsters/?absrc=klaviyo&abid=NWSLTR%20SE%201911%20%28March%2029%29&_kx=fg3aKHHZHixiu1oB5-syZGNXc0YFWx9ZVYw57CUwJ54.XvM6gy

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[Tokarev]

https://youtu.be/08VxBHG0OMU?si=AtNnbU-duTPa96kk

[HeavyDuty]

https://youtu.be/08VxBHG0OMU?si=AtNnbU-duTPa96kk

“50 flawless rounds!”

[Tokarev]

“50 flawless rounds!”Well, I suppose that's better than, "I only had a couple failures which is expected during break-in."

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[HeavyDuty]

I’ve mostly been looking at the version with the RDS, and never noticed the P210 styling cue forward of the rear sight.

[TOTS]

I’ve mostly been looking at the version with the RDS, and never noticed the P210 styling cue forward of the rear sight.
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?59925-SIG-Intros-1911X-Pistols/page9

post #88. I see it too.

[HeavyDuty]

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?59925-SIG-Intros-1911X-Pistols/page9

post #88. I see it too.

I missed that the first time around. Now I have to wonder - are both the front and rear sight “normal” 1911 height, or is the rear shorter? I don’t personally care since if I were to get one the RDO would stay on it, but I’m curious.

[Tokarev]

Aaron Cowan has one of these. He's working on a 2K review now.

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[HeavyDuty]

Aaron Cowan has one of these. He's working on a 2K review now.

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He’s on a subscription model, right?

[HCM]

He’s on a subscription model, right?

For the most part. Patreon.

He still throws like one video a month up on YouTube for marketing purposes.

On another note, I got to handle one of these pistols, a tan model without an optic.

I would say it’s a nice $1k-$1100 pistol, on par with something like a Springfield operator. As a package deal with a factory installed optic, it wouldn’t be bad for $1500.

The problem is the tan model with no optic was marked at $2k ($1999.99) this thing is not worth anywhere near that kind of money.

[Tokarev]

He’s on a subscription model, right?
For the most part. Patreon.

He still throws like one video a month up on YouTube for marketing purposes.

Yup. The base level is $5 a month, which is what I have.

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[Borderland]

Sig isn't your 1911 company. No matter how hard they try. Reading some posts here it looks like Tisas might be your best 1911 for not a lot of money. I always purchased Colts and still have a few but it looks like you can train a workforce in Turkey to build a good pistol. The Chinese did it with Norinco 1911 pistols. I've examined one and it's a good $600 pistol. Selling for a lot more on some sites. Why pay more for a 1911?

[Borderland]

I like the color. I think it ties in well with the M17 / P320 slide profile.

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Does it match your handbag? ;)

[Tokarev]

Sig isn't your 1911 company. No matter how hard they try. Reading some posts here it looks like Tisas might be your best 1911 for not a lot of money. I always purchased Colts and still have a few but it looks like you can train a workforce in Turkey to build a good pistol. The Chinese did it with Norinco 1911 pistols. I've examined one and it's a good $600 pistol. Selling for a lot more on some sites. Why pay more for a 1911?Nobody is disputing the value of the Tisas. What's somewhat unique and different about the SIG is that it offers a rail and is cut for an optic. Tisas makes a single stack rail gun but not with an optic ready slide.

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[call_me_ski]

I missed that the first time around. Now I have to wonder - are both the front and rear sight “normal” 1911 height, or is the rear shorter? I don’t personally care since if I were to get one the RDO would stay on it, but I’m curious.

Looks like they put the rear sight on a raised island like a P210 so they can use typical Sig sights. Smart. Looks cool too.

[Bucky]

Sig isn't your 1911 company. No matter how hard they try. Reading some posts here it looks like Tisas might be your best 1911 for not a lot of money. I always purchased Colts and still have a few but it looks like you can train a workforce in Turkey to build a good pistol. The Chinese did it with Norinco 1911 pistols. I've examined one and it's a good $600 pistol. Selling for a lot more on some sites. Why pay more for a 1911?

That’s probably hit or miss. The Stoeger Cougar was a deep decline from the Beretta made ones.

[Hambo]

For the most part. Patreon.

He still throws like one video a month up on YouTube for marketing purposes.

On another note, I got to handle one of these pistols, a tan model without an optic.

I would say it’s a nice $1k-$1100 pistol, on par with something like a Springfield operator. As a package deal with a factory installed optic, it wouldn’t be bad for $1500.

The problem is the tan model with no optic was marked at $2k ($1999.99) this thing is not worth anywhere near that kind of money.

I found the 1911X advertised at $1500. For the $400 more than an Operator you get an optics cut and external extractor. A DW with no cut costs more than the SIG. My version of 1911 math is Sub$1K and $1-2K. If you're looking at >$2K it's time to go full retard and spend a lot more than $2K.

A buddy found a Max Michel SIG, but I only saw it for about thirty seconds before he locked it away in his safe.

[Borderland]

Nobody is disputing the value of the Tisas. What's somewhat unique and different about the SIG is that it offers a rail and is cut for an optic. Tisas makes a single stack rail gun but not with an optic ready slide.

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Looks like you can have a slide milled on a Tisas for about $120. Not sure how that affects the accuracy of that particular pistol though. The easy button is a SIG at twice the cost.

[HeavyDuty]

The problem is the tan model with no optic was marked at $2k ($1999.99) this thing is not worth anywhere near that kind of money.

Gouging. Street for the black or poop colored iron sighted models at multiple sites is $1500, $1800 with the RDO.

[Trooper224]

Got a email last week. Tisas will be offering slides with optic cuts separately.

[Robinson]

I found the 1911X advertised at $1500. For the $400 more than an Operator you get an optics cut and external extractor.

The Sig 1911X also has a checkered front strap.

But it's not just features, it's also build quality. Springfield has done a good job with the recent production Operator -- I'll be interested to see how the new Sigs stack up in terms of build and parts quality.

[45dotACP]

LGS has one of these for 1500...too bad I am one of the poors nowadays or otherwise I'd be all about it. TBH the best option is probably just buying a Springfield, Tisas, Ruger or DW and then sending it off to a gunsmith for a 150 buck job to get the thing milled for a RMSc....

The Sig 1911s are fine...but not 1500 bucks fine.

[Hambo]

Got a email last week. Tisas will be offering slides with optic cuts separately.

Now I have more questions about their manufacturing process.

[Polecat]

They should have gone the 2011 route, imagine a micro 2011 kind of a better “CSX” concept. Thin, 1.5 stack!

[HeavyDuty]

They should have gone the 2011 route, imagine a micro 2011 kind of a better “CSX” concept. Thin, 1.5 stack!

In .45 ACP? It’s fine as a single stack, thanks.

[Tokarev]

They should have gone the 2011 route, imagine a micro 2011 kind of a better “CSX” concept. Thin, 1.5 stack!So a SIG 938 that runs on P365 mags?

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[Danko]

Both posted gun models look really good! I don't think any manufacturer can release a new gun model without Tokarev's knowledge! He stays on top of these things.

[Joe in PNG]

So a SIG 938 that runs on P365 mags?

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Or even a Commander sized 9mm running on P365 mags.

[Tokarev]

Or even a Commander sized 9mm running on P365 mags.Close....

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2024/01/23/shot-2024-oracle-arms-new-2311-compact-pro/

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[Joe in PNG]

Close....

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2024/01/23/shot-2024-oracle-arms-new-2311-compact-pro/

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Close indeed. Maybe something a bit more traditional looking and a lot less $$$$.

[Tokarev]

Close indeed. Maybe something a bit more traditional looking and a lot less $$$$.Lol you can't have everything.....

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[TOTS]

So a SIG 938 that runs on P365 mags?

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Im still lusting after a 365xl sized 938; pretty much a small Springfield EMP that runs on 365xl mags.

[Tokarev]

I've been poking around gunbroker.com the last couple days. These guns seem stuck at about $1,500. That's a bit too much for me to swallow. I'm not sure what the "bite" price is but I'm thinking $1,300‐$1,350 would be about right.

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[Tokarev]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240404/b19186e56ce6e67cb45feef3a68b74b9.jpg

[Elwin]

I really like the looks of it with the hump on the back of the slide. I hadn’t even made the P210 connection others have, but it does a great job making the optic look at home on the slide. With a standard slide profile, even a Holosun EPS Carry overhangs a bit on each side. It’s aesthetic only and I’m not about to offload my milled guns and buy a pair of Sigs, but it is a good touch for something purpose built to accept optics.

[MandoWookie]

Got a email last week. Tisas will be offering slides with optic cuts separately.

They have 9mm optic ready slides on their website, says OOS though.
Hopefully they will start doing optics ready .45 & 9mm complete guns soon.

[HeavyDuty]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240404/b19186e56ce6e67cb45feef3a68b74b9.jpg

I subscribed specifically to see what he has to say about it.

[theJanitor]

Fooled with one today in the LGS. Finish was nice (although not my style) and the action was smooth. Trigger was meh. Safety actuation was positive and the borders on the checkering were hideous. Didn't care for the rear sight, but it is for an optic. Overall it presented itself well next to some other factory offerings

[CleverNickname]

They should have gone the 2011 route, imagine a micro 2011 kind of a better “CSX” concept. Thin, 1.5 stack!
A 3.5" 2011 that uses SIG P365 XMacro mags. A SIG "Staccato CS" if you will.

[HeavyDuty]

Sage Dynamics initial impression is up, first 200. He seems to like it so far.

[Tokarev]

Sage Dynamics initial impression is up, first 200. He seems to like it so far.I watched it too. I didn't catch what he's using for mags. Did he say?

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[Sensei]

I watched it too. I didn't catch what he's using for mags. Did he say?

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He said that he was using the mags that came with the gun that he thought were Metalform as well as some Wilson Combat, Checkmate, etc.

[Tokarev]

What's in the box?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240412/2904b4865dc28fd48dc7c0e4b63351a9.jpg

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[HeavyDuty]

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[Tokarev]

Here are a couple of generic photos. I'll take more as time allows. I have some errands to run today and then am out of town a few days after. I don't know when I'll be able to shoot this thing.

The gun ships with two eight round MEC-GAR mags. The couple Wilson and Chip mags I've tried fit in fine and activate the slide catch. I hope they'll all feed.

The gun seems decent in terms of fit but is definitely production quality. The trigger has some side to side and up and down play. The grip safety is blended well. The slide to frame fit is maybe a little above average for a rack grade. The trigger is about 5.25 pounds with a tiny glitch right after the initial take up. The gun is Series 80 and does not have a ramped barrel. Recoil parts are plug and short guide style with a .25" diameter guide and flat recoil spring. I'd guess spring weight to be sixteen pounds.

The gun is full of MIM. I have not had it all the way apart, but the hammer, thumb safety, and slide stop are MIM from what I can see. I'm pretty confident in saying the sear and disco will also be MIM. I'd guess SIG would even MIM the barrel link and bushing if they could make it work.

Overall, it is a new and somewhat different take on a 1911 for the 21st century.

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Front and rear do appear to be SIG dovetails. Note the 8 and 6 sight heights. A good idea in the current market. Trijicon, VTAC, etc. sights should work without concern for someone's interpretation of Novak cuts.

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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240413/7f740b08da6d39be7a855311cd925627.jpg

General pics of some of the machining details.
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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240413/608f6ed58b3f9b27ac8b8ae68996259b.jpg

Note the dimple in the hammer just above the area where the hammer pin goes through. I've seen similar marks on MIM parts from other companies.

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[Tokarev]

I got an EPS mounted. Being that the slide has ZEV style posts, I had to find different screws. The ones I could find (M3, I think they are) are a little short. The next length the shop had bottomed out before the optic was tight. Hopefully, these slightly short ones will work okay.

One thing of note is the gap underneath the optic. It seems to fit okay fore and aft but I wish it sat better on the slide.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240413/fda0ce4576cc4ba4f8d002da0dd145a3.jpg

The pic makes it look like either the optic is warped or the cut is angled. With the naked eye the gap is parallel.

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[HeavyDuty]

I got an EPS mounted. Being that the slide has ZEV style posts, I had to find different screws. The ones I could find (M3, I think they are) are a little short. The next length the shop had bottomed out before the optic was tight. Hopefully, these slightly short ones will work okay.

One thing of note is the gap underneath the optic. It seems to fit okay fore and aft but I wish it sat better on the slide.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240413/fda0ce4576cc4ba4f8d002da0dd145a3.jpg

The pic makes it look like either the optic is warped or the cut is angled. With the naked eye the gap is parallel.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240413/a2a9155fb1adba6c8558b84973e24736.jpg

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Interesting. I wonder if the factory supplied Romeo-X Compact has the same fitment issue.

Could it be related to the posts?

[Tokarev]

Could it be related to the posts?

I dry fit an EPS Carry as well. It also had a slight gap underneath. The Carry fits the width of the slide better, but I ended up using the EPS with its slightly bigger window.

I think if the posts were too long, they would just protrude more up into the holes in the optic and keep the screws from bottoming out. Maybe the posts aren't perfectly square at the bottom where they mate with the slide. That might be what the optic is actually bottoming out on.

We'll see what happens. I dabbed the screws with a little Vibra Tite when installing. I'm going to let the gun cure for an hour and then see if I can pop off a couple of clips.

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[Elwin]

Very interesting that they were able to maintain S80 compatibility with the optic cut. That’s not possible with aftermarket cuts, to my knowledge (at least every milling shop I’ve looked at either says they don’t work on drop safety guns or they require you to acknowledge you’re ditching the drop safety).

[Tokarev]

Very interesting that they were able to maintain S80 compatibility with the optic cut. That’s not possible with aftermarket cuts, to my knowledge (at least every milling shop I’ve looked at either says they don’t work on drop safety guns or they require you to acknowledge you’re ditching the drop safety).The slide has no exposed spring or plunger with the cover plate off. I'd half expected to have the spring come out with the plate removed.

A down side of the external extractor is that there is no access to the retaining pin.

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[Tokarev]

First several shots. Three rounds at 10 paces. A 200 grain LSWC loaded with Trail Boss. The square is 1.5" across.

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[Tokarev]

Eleven rounds of 200 grain Berry's HHP with a fairly stiff charge of CFE Pistol from about 20 paces. The group is right at 3 inches. Chip mag for size reference.

I'll get a round count here in a bit. Zero issues to report so far with OEM, Chip and Wilson 10 rounders.

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[Tokarev]

Eighty-three pieces of brass picked up. I may have missed one or two when I was policing up the area. Let's round down and call it 80 for today.

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[Tokarev]

Brass is kissing the bottom edge of the optic as it ejects. I don't see any damage to the glass. Yet.

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[Tokarev]

One more pic for Saturday. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240414/b37ad7e84bb032638c9b4734ab80789d.jpg

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[HeavyDuty]

Brass is kissing the bottom edge of the optic as it ejects. I don't see any damage to the glass. Yet.

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The Holosun is quite a bit wider than the Romeo-X Compact, hopefully they won’t have the same issue:

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[Tokarev]

The Holosun is quite a bit wider than the Romeo-X Compact,

I could pull the EPS off and replace it with the EPS Carry. The Carry and X Compact are probably pretty close in overall size.

Ideally I'd prefer some type of adapter plate and then a larger closed emitter like the 509T or maybe the Steiner MPS.

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[Robinson]

Eighty-three pieces of brass picked up. I may have missed one or two when I was policing up the area. Let's round down and call it 80 for today.

How is the trigger on your copy? Hilton Yam posted initial impressions and he was not at all impressed by the trigger. Of course he can clean it up, but he is assessing the gun with its original parts and no smithing.

[Tokarev]

How is the trigger on your copy? Hilton Yam posted initial impressions and he was not at all impressed by the trigger. Of course he can clean it up, but he is assessing the gun with its original parts and no smithing.The trigger is a bit north of five pounds. It has a glitch right after initial take up. Break itself is pretty good and overtravel is set about right.

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[HeavyDuty]

How is the trigger on your copy? Hilton Yam posted initial impressions and he was not at all impressed by the trigger. Of course he can clean it up, but he is assessing the gun with its original parts and no smithing.

Where did he post? I don’t follow him.

[Robinson]

Where did he post? I don’t follow him.

It's on his Patreon page.

[Tokarev]

It's on his Patreon page.I just resubscribed. I thought his comments may have been in the form of an "initial impression" video. Hopefully that will come later.

I do see his gun is topped with the X Compact.

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[Robinson]

I just resubscribed. I thought his comments may have been in the form of an "initial impression" video. Hopefully that will come later.

I do see his gun is topped with the X Compact.

He posted three times about it, including descriptions of the unboxing and the first range session. Pretty much "initial impression" type stuff.

If Hilton keeps the gun to publish more content about it, I would expect him to replace the fire control components.

[Tokarev]

He posted three times about it, including descriptions of the unboxing and the first range session. Pretty much "initial impression" type stuff.

If Hilton keeps the gun to publish more content about it, I would expect him to replace the fire control components.I'll scroll back through the older posts and be sure to check out his earlier stuff, then.

I assume he'll, at some point, swap out the guts since I'm all but certain the sear and disconnector are MIM.

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[HeavyDuty]

You need to be at the $10 level to see anything since it’s all videos. I’ll pass.

[Tokarev]

You need to be at the $10 level to see anything since it’s all videos. I’ll pass.I'd guess most of his subscribers are paying the higher memberships to get access to the more detailed materials? The highest tier subscribers actually did a virtual pistol build last year on a base Springfield.

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[Tokarev]

Another 50 rounds fired using the MEC-GAR and a Wilson 10rd. Flawless!

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[Tokarev]

70 additional rounds fired today. The gun continues to run fire. Ammo today was some old 200 grain LSWC reloads, some hardball and some more 200 grain Berry's HHPs.

One thing of interest is that my old Hilton Yam Special Super Seven mags don't lock the slide open. Unmodified Chip Power Mags, Wilson Combat and MEC-GAR have no issue with this.

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[Tokarev]

I just got done cleaning the piece. I checked the EPS mounting screws and found them to have just started loosening.

I need to find out what a proper screw length might be. Then I'll either file down some long screws or try to find screws of the appropriate length.



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[Polecat]

Maybe they’ll offer a 2011 in 9mm!

[Tokarev]

I need to find out what a proper screw length might be. Then I'll either file down some long screws or try to find screws of the appropriate length.



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According to info from SIG--the M3 screws should protrude about 5mm below the optic. I haven't pulled the EPS off but I'm almost positive the screws I'm using aren't that long.

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[HeavyDuty]

Talked to one of the SIG Pro Shop guys today, they haven’t seen any of the version that ships with the Romeo-X Compact yet. He’s thinking they will show the same time as the 4.25” version ships, meaning later this year. But he also said they could show up tomorrow.

[Tokarev]

But he also said they could show up tomorrow.

Hmm. Is it that hard to pull a couple Romeos off the production line and screw them onto a few 1911s?

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[HeavyDuty]

Hmm. Is it that hard to pull a couple Romeos off the production line and screw them onto a few 1911s?

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From your lips to Ron’s ears.

[Tokarev]

From your lips to Ron’s ears.More like my lips and his ass. Does Ron care about the daily goings on at SIG? Certainly not in the 1911 line.

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[Tokarev]

As is my practice with this gun, I shot it some, picked up my brass, then rounded down to the nearest 10th. This means I fired 250 rounds this morning.

The dot seems to be staying tight but the battery tray screw is walking out. The screw is pretty tiny so I'm a little shy about cranking down on it. Once I'm settled that I'm going to leave the EPS on the gun I'll put some thread locker on the battery screw.

Today I shot the Bakersfield qual three times, shot the New Improved Bill Drill (15 rounds total for each run) twice and the Hackerthorn/Dahl 3 Second Standards three times. I shot two scores of B on the new Bill Drill, shot an 80 and two 90s on the Bakersfield course and passed the HD standards.

The gun continues to run without issue. Today was some lead round nose and LSWC and a few FMJs at the end to clean any lead out. But then I went ahead and fired a few more mags of RNL just for the heck of it.

*CMC mags with Tripp springs and followers actually locked the slide open twice, I think, for the five or six times I ran them dry.

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The EPS' front window is pretty darned smoky. Too many more rounds and I'd be shooting occluded....

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[Tokarev]

Oh! One thing I forgot to mention is the trigger. The sort of glitch or catch that was right in the first part of the sear movement is now all but gone. I need to put my pull gauge on too. I want to say the trigger pull has probably dropped a pound or so as well.

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[Tokarev]

https://youtu.be/WaymKf2pYuI?si=H5vPNwQVee2_jHEe

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[HeavyDuty]

I broke down and subscribed to Hilton Yam’s videos, and now I’m nervous about this pistol. I want to see a lot more about it before I commit money.

That’s a shame because it checks a whole lot of boxes for me.

[Tokarev]

I broke down and subscribed to Hilton Yam’s videos, and now I’m nervous about this pistol. I want to see a lot more about it before I commit money.

That’s a shame because it checks a whole lot of boxes for me.Hilton Yam hasn't put much out on the SIG as I'm sure you're seeing.

What are you nervous about?

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[Robinson]

I broke down and subscribed to Hilton Yam’s videos, and now I’m nervous about this pistol. I want to see a lot more about it before I commit money.

That’s a shame because it checks a whole lot of boxes for me.

Yeah his pistol is running fine for him now, but that's after he replaced all the fire control components and did some tuning.

Didn't he make some points about the optic mount as well?

[Tokarev]

Yeah his pistol is running fine for him now, but that's after he replaced all the fire control components and did some tuning.

Didn't he make some points about the optic mount as well?Did he end up replacing parts? The last post I see regarding the SIG was him saying the stock trigger was nasty.

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[HeavyDuty]

Did he end up replacing parts? The last post I see regarding the SIG was him saying the stock trigger was nasty.

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He’s up to part 6. Replaced sear, hammer, strut (I think) and disconnector, modified the mag catch and had to blacksmith the mag well. I’m not scared of doing any of that, but not at current full price. I may wait until things settle a little and I can find one for a few hundred less - I figure it will take $200 worth of parts if I do the work myself.

[Tokarev]

He’s up to part 6. Replaced sear, hammer, strut (I think) and disconnector, modified the mag catch and had to blacksmith the mag well. I’m not scared of doing any of that, but not at current full price. I may wait until things settle a little and I can find one for a few hundred less - I figure it will take $200 worth of parts if I do the work myself.Hmm. Not seeing any of that. What level is your subscription?

I'm at about 500 rounds through my pistol. Other that it not locking open with my old CMC Power Mags with Tripp Super 7 kits (the combo Yam used to recommend for "hard use" mags) it has been running great. No issues feeding FMJ, JHP or LSWC.

My trigger had a kind of hard glitch in it that has pretty much worked itself out. Putting my cheap pull gauge on shows a trigger at just under 5 pounds now so it has lost about half a pound after some use.

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[HeavyDuty]

Hmm. Not seeing any of that. What level is your subscription?

Whatever $10 a month is called, it was the minimum to see videos. I started at $5 a month but too much was hidden.

[Tokarev]

I started at $5 a month but too much was hidden.

That's probably why I'm not seeing any of this stuff.

I had a higher subscription level awhile back but let it drop because I didn't think he was putting out enough material to justify the expense. I know he deserves to be compensated for his time but I also don't think I need to get his top tier level just to be able to watch some basic infotainment videos.

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[HeavyDuty]

That's probably why I'm not seeing any of this stuff.

I had a higher subscription level awhile back but let it drop because I didn't think he was putting out enough material to justify the expense. I know he deserves to be compensated for his time but I also don't think I need to get his top tier level just to be able to watch some basic infotainment videos.

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I’m probably going to drop back - I wanted to see how his 1911X testing is going, but I’m not seeing $10 value there outside of that. I’ll cheerfully contribute $5 like I do to many others (mostly photogtaphy related.)

[Tokarev]

I’m probably going to drop back - I wanted to see how his 1911X testing is going, but I’m not seeing $10 value there outside of that. I’ll cheerfully contribute $5 like I do to many others (mostly photogtaphy related.)Okay. I just upped my subscription and watched the SIG videos.

My specimen does not trap the mags. The mag release is the limiting style in that it only pushes in so far and stops. I assume it is bottoming out against the catch lock.

Grip screws are not loose. Not yet at least. The only loosening I've had is the little M3 optic screws and the battery tray screw. I'll continue to keep an eye on these.

I am using two Wilson Combat 10 rounders as part of my mix. No issues with these at all.

He's right about the mag well. The frame itself is beveled and then the mag well extension is beveled. The two parts don't mate up. I guess SIG wanted some frame bevel so people wanting to run a standard mainspring housing would have a decent factory bevel? In any case, I've had similar designs with the screw-on mag well not fit and/or come loose. If I really wanted to be serious about a mag well I'd put on a S&A.
Speaking of mag wells these are all an Achilles heel in terms of brute durability. Dropping the gun or smacking it against a hard surface has been known to bend the two forks in and trap mags. I'd probably run no mag well at all or look at the Chen that requires frame modification if this was going to be anything other than a range toy.

I'm still pleased with my sample. Would I get the same satisfaction from a Tisas Raider and an aftermarket optic cut? No doubt yes.

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[HeavyDuty]

I’m probably going to wait until I see one in person to vet as best as I can - I’m not sure this is one to buy online.

[Tokarev]

I’m probably going to wait until I see one in person to vet as best as I can - I’m not sure this is one to buy online.That's probably true of just about anything 1911 or 2011.

One thing I should have noted above (and it apparently hasn't caused any problems) is the shallow feed ramp. My sample has a frame feed ramp that extends maybe halfway or three quarters of the way to the bottom of the so-called church window. That would be something I'd maybe check in store if the shop had several units to chose from.

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[Robinson]

Hilton posted his wrap-up on this gun today. He gave points to Sig for the optic mount and the BUIS, took points away for the accessory rail that doesn't seem to fit common holsters without a light mounted.

All in all he says it's real close to being a good gun (with his changes).

[Tokarev]

...the ultra short attention span synopsis is this: if you go in expecting to do a little bit of work on it to iron out the rough spots, you'll probably end up with a serviceable "beater grade" gun.

That's probably a good summation. 1911s in particular are very much a matter of personal taste. There's probably no real reason to change a bunch of parts to get a serviceable "beater grade" but there's also no reason a few parts can't be changed to individualize and "improve" the base gun.

I don't believe I'd pay anything close to MSRP but these guns are probably a decent value in the $1300 range.

Here's one to keep an eye on:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1049093209

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[HeavyDuty]

That’s what I’m thinking. Maybe a $1200 or $1300 gun, add a few hundred in replacement parts if needed.

[HeavyDuty]

So, Tokarev - given your experience, would you do it again? I still feel these have promise, especially at the $1300 point.

[Robinson]

I think these might be a decent starting point for people who want to mount an optic.

If that is not a concern, I would step up to a TRP instead of putting money into the Sig. Springfield's parts and build quality have been very good recently, and the TRP is a solid gun that gets a little extra attention/fitting during manufacture and assembly.

Plus holsters.

[Tokarev]

So, Tokarev - given your experience, would you do it again? I still feel these have promise, especially at the $1300 point.Yes. I am happy with my purchase.



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[HeavyDuty]

Yes. I am happy with my purchase.



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Thank you. I may just jump on one…

[HeavyDuty]

I asked Tony at JMCK about holster fitment for these, and he didn’t seem enthusiastic at the time because of SIG wandering off in the weeds so often.

If I get one I may need to take a chance on a railed 5” OWB2 fitting, possibly with the help of Mr. Heat Gun.

[Tokarev]

I asked Tony at JMCK about holster fitment for these, and he didn’t seem enthusiastic at the time because of SIG wandering off in the weeds so often.

If I get one I may need to take a chance on a railed 5” OWB2 fitting, possibly with the help of Mr. Heat Gun.Blackpoint Tactical lists the 1911-X as an available fit. They list holsters for pistols with and without a light.



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[Tokarev]

Stolen from Yam's social media.

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[HeavyDuty]

In the end, he wasn’t as critical of it as I was expecting from his earlier episodes.

[Tokarev]

This *should* be a holster option for the SIG also:

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[Tokarev]

175 more rounds today. I'll have to go back and check my posts but this should be over 600.

Ammo today was a few Berrys SWC, some 230 grain RNL and then some oddball 230 FMJ stuff. A few reloads mixed with some factory stuff.

Mags were the OEM MEC-GAR, a couple Tripps and then a few old CMC 8 rounders and two WC 10 rounders. No issues with slide lock, etc.

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[Amp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bfIywJCRik

[Tokarev]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bfIywJCRikAha! I was waiting for one of the youtu.be "big boys" to do a review.

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[Tokarev]

205 rounds fired today. Ammo was a mix of 200 LSWC, 230 RN, and some 200 and 230 grain Berry's HHPs. Mags were Tripp 8s, old Power Mags and new Railed Power Mags, and my two Wilson ETM 10 rounders.

The gun continues to work without drama, although I did intentionally load a few mags with an empty case somewhere in at random just to induce a malfunction.

I planned on shooting another 100 rounds or so but broke my target! Damn you, John Moses Browning, and your overly powerful 45!

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[Tokarev]

I just finished cleaning the pistol and see that the ejector is loose. The front leg is still secure via the cross pin but the ejector wiggles and can be pivoted slightly at the rear leg. I don't know if this is new or has been this way for awhile. It is something to keep an eye on for sure.

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[Tokarev]

310 rounds fired this morning. Mostly 200 LSWC but with a few Berrys plated SWC and RN mixed in. I also fired a couple mags of 200 Berrys HHPs. This should put me easily over 1,000 rounds.

No issues today other than one of my old Power Mags will no longer drop free. The tube's exterior is clean. I assume the feed lips are starting to spread a little.

As can probably be gathered through my posts, I am quite happy with this gun overall.

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[HeavyDuty]

Look what followed me home!

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Initial impressions are quite good. The trigger is not bad at all, it’s tight and smooth. The threadlocker is setting up, tomorrow afternoon I’ll boresight it. Hopefully I can get it to the range in the next few days.

I definitely need to retime the grip safety, though - it’s easily 90%.

[Tokarev]

Another pic of brass marks on the front edge of the optic.

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[HeavyDuty]

I’m really hoping more holstermakers get in board with specific fits. I took delivery of a JMCK OWB2 for a railed Springfield yesterday, I knew the 1911X wouldn’t be a drop-in fit but it’s close enough I’ll take my chances with a heat gun.

[Tokarev]

I’m really hoping more holstermakers get in board with specific fits. I took delivery of a JMCK OWB2 for a railed Springfield yesterday, I knew the 1911X wouldn’t be a drop-in fit but it’s close enough I’ll take my chances with a heat gun.I really need to order a Blackpoint. I just don't know yet if I'll keep the X300 on mine.

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[HeavyDuty]

I really need to order a Blackpoint. I just don't know yet if I'll keep the X300 on mine.

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I’m not seeing anything like my favored OWB2 there.

[Tokarev]

I’m not seeing anything like my favored OWB2 there.No. They don't have anything exactly like the OWB2.

If and when I order from BP I'll probably get one of the OWB leather wing type.

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[Elwin]

Tenicor and now Dark Star make IWB holsters that work for both 1911s and 2011s, which seems likely to provide enough literal wiggle room for whatever dumb decision SIG made with this rail. If so it’s just a matter of convincing them to make an OWB?

I can’t believe SIG fixed their proprietary slide nonsense and then stepped into the same dumpster fire again with the rail on this gun. I still think this looks like a great option for an optic 1911 but really, who wants proprietary anything, especially for no good reason.

[Tokarev]

I can’t believe SIG fixed their proprietary slide nonsense and then stepped into the same dumpster fire again with the rail on this gun. I still think this looks like a great option for an optic 1911 but really, who wants proprietary anything, especially for no good reason.

Don't mince words, Bones. What do you really think?

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[Robinson]

Hilton Yam took possession of another Sig 1911-XFULL, this one in FDE.

His first video with it shows that while the break is decent the trigger needs to be cleaned up -- most likely the S80 parts.

He seems to be enjoying his work with the Sigs, which suggests they are at least worth some time investment.


Sig's decision to make the rail dimensions incompatible with commonly available holsters was a dumb one. When Colt changed their rail dimensions for the M45 it was because that's what the Marines asked for. But what was Sig thinking?

[Tokarev]

Sig's decision to make the rail dimensions incompatible with commonly available holsters was a dumb one...what was Sig thinking?

Is there a common rail dimension across the various railed 1911s?

And then the next question is why would SIG change to anyone else's spec when the 1911-X is probably already built to the same rail specs as the Tac Ops and whatever else they make with a rail?

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[Robinson]

Is there a common rail dimension across the various railed 1911s?

And then the next question is why would SIG change to anyone else's spec when the 1911-X is probably already built to the same rail specs as the Tac Ops and whatever else they make with a rail?

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Fair points.

Holster makers have tended to base their railed 1911 holsters on Springfield Armory's rail dimensions almost as a standard. Colt's original Rail Gun would fit into holsters designed for Springfield's railed pistols, but then they changed their rails to comply with the requirements given to them by the Marines and standardized all their railed models on that specification for better or worse.

I just think Sig could have used the introduction of the XFULL line to gain compatibility with available holsters. The only reason I can think of is that they still offer a California-compliant railed model, which they can't modify and still sell in CA. Looking at it that way, maybe it makes sense.

[Tokarev]

Fair points.

Holster makers have tended to base their railed 1911 holsters on Springfield Armory's rail dimensions almost as a standard.

I just think Sig could have used the introduction of the XFULL line to gain compatibility with available holsters.

As I said, I assume the X is the same rail spec as the Tac Ops, Scorpion and whatever else SIG might make. I'm going to say SIG sees this as the standard others should be using.

Just off the top of my head I know the following make (or have made) railed frames. How many of these are the same spec as the Springfield?

Colt
SIG
Caspian
JEM
Tisas
Taurus
Kimber
Ruger
STI
Dan Wesson

It would make some sense that holster makers would use Springfield as sort of the standard. I could also see Kimber as the other common railed gun. Maybe the Springfield and Kimber share a rail already?



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[Tokarev]

Speaking of oddball does the Springfield Emissary fit in a traditional 1911 holster?

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[Robinson]

Speaking of oddball does the Springfield Emissary fit in a traditional 1911 holster?

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Nope. In my opinion they went "form over function" with that one, though some people seem to really like them.

Vedder makes holsters for the 5" railed version and the 4.25" non-railed version. No idea whether they will offer a holster for the new black full-rail Commander.

[HeavyDuty]

I’m a bit of a tinkerer and an optimist, so when I ordered the 1911X I also ordered a Quickship JMCK OWB2 for a railed 5” Springfield. I figure I has a heat gun, right?

The holster is 95% of the way there, with only minor interference with the slide top taper on one side. (The ejection port resolves this area on the other side.) The last 3/4” or so of insertion is where that taper contacts the holster, causing the left side to lever out. I’ll gently heat that area and remold it to give clearance. The rail is not an issue at all that I can tell, if anything that part of the holster is too large. I may try adding a Kydex shim in the bottom of the rail recess after I remold the slide taper.

Can someone hold my beer?

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[Tokarev]

I’m a bit of a tinkerer and an optimist, so when I ordered the 1911X I also ordered a Quickship JMCK OWB2 for a railed 5” Springfield. I figure I has a heat gun, right?

The holster is 95% of the way there, with only minor interference with the slide top taper on one side. (The ejection port resolves this area on the other side.) The last 3/4” or so of insertion is where that taper contacts the holster, causing the left side to lever out. I’ll gently heat that area and remold it to give clearance. The rail is not an issue at all that I can tell, if anything that part of the holster is too large. I may try adding a Kydex shim in the bottom of the rail recess after I remold the slide taper.

Can someone hold my beer?

118845I take it this is a non light bearing holster?

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[HeavyDuty]

Speaking of rail differences, can people measure the distance from the top of the dust cover to the bottom surface of the rail? This 1911X is 0.620”. (I’m asking dust cover instead of frame rail since you can lock the slide back to get that measurement.)

[HeavyDuty]

I take it this is a non light bearing holster?

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Correct - light bearing would be the easy button. I should order a second one for a light.

[Tokarev]

HeavyDuty

Any updates? How's it shoot?

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[HeavyDuty]

HeavyDuty

Any updates? How's it shoot?

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The tornado disrupted everything here, I still haven’t gotten to the range. At least the threadlocker will be set really well!

[Tokarev]

The tornado disrupted everything here, I still haven’t gotten to the range. At least the threadlocker will be set really well!Did you at least finish fitting your holster?

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[HeavyDuty]

Did you at least finish fitting your holster?

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Nope, hopefully tomorrow.

[Tokarev]

Nope, hopefully tomorrow.WTF, dude? You're killing me!

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[HeavyDuty]

WTF, dude? You're killing me!

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C’mon, man - tornadoes, damage to clean up and no power for days!

[Tokarev]

C’mon, man - tornadoes, damage to clean up and no power for days!No power = no TV or Internet to distract you.

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[HeavyDuty]

No power = no TV or Internet to distract you.

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Ok, nag - all done. A railed Springfield JMCK OWB2 can be made to fit the 1911X-FULL with a few minutes work.

I have a low power heat gun I picked up from Amazon just for Kydex and heat shrink work, I think it’s 300W. So, much less powerful than a paint stripping heat gun but more than a hair dryer.

I had to recontour the left side slide taper area for about an inch, and also extend the slide stop recess by about a quarter inch - the slide stop was levering the full guard out. I want to do one more heat to flatten the area above the slide stop.

Everything fits great now.

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[Tokarev]

Ok, nag - all done. A railed Springfield JMCK OWB2 can be made to fit the 1911X-FULL with a few minutes work.

I have a low power heat gun I picked up from Amazon just for Kydex and heat shrink work, I think it’s 300W. So, much less powerful than a paint stripping heat gun but more than a hair dryer.

I had to recontour the left side slide taper area for about an inch, and also extend the slide stop recess by about a quarter inch - the slide stop was levering the full guard out. I want to do one more heat to flatten the area above the slide stop.

Everything fits great now.

119023Are we still talking about this? This thread is so last week....





Looking good. I'd guess that would be an easy tweak for JM to do at the shop to accommodate the SIG.

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[Tango]

Are we still talking about this? This thread is so last week....

Any new range reports? Seems like an interesting offering.



Looking good. I'd guess that would be an easy tweak for JM to do at the shop to accommodate the SIG.

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[HeavyDuty]

Still haven’t gotten to the range, I believe it will reopen this weekend. Town is still pretty beat up.

[TheNewbie]

I apologize for being lazy by not reading through the thread recently.


Are these “Series 80” like other Sig 1911s?


Will these fit standard railed 1911 holsters?

[Robinson]

I apologize for being lazy by not reading through the thread recently.


Are these “Series 80” like other Sig 1911s?


Will these fit standard railed 1911 holsters?

Yes they are S80.

Not without modifying the holster. But per comments in the thread, it may not be the rail itself that is problematic.

[Tokarev]

Are these “Series 80” like other Sig 1911s?


Yes.




Will these fit standard railed 1911 holsters?

Yes and no? There's some debate on what "standard rail" is. Do Kimbers, Springfields, Caspian guns all use a common rail? If so, then it seems SIG is the odd maker.

Edited to add that the SIG with a light attached fits a Springfield 5" 2011 holster just fine.

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[TheNewbie]

Thanks for the replies.


Maybe Sig will do a non railed version.

[Tokarev]

Thanks for the replies.


Maybe Sig will do a non railed version.You mean with the optic cut? Maybe. I think they'd be better off doing this gun in 9mm.

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[TheNewbie]

You mean with the optic cut? Maybe. I think they'd be better off doing this gun in 9mm.

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I’m fine with no optics cut, but I bet they stick with that on whatever the release. You’re probably right that it’s best to offer that in 9mm.


Then Sig will jump on the 2011 band wagon.

[Tokarev]

SIG may roll this new slide pattern into the STX and the couple other 1911s still being made.

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[HeavyDuty]

I apologize for being lazy by not reading through the thread recently.


Are these “Series 80” like other Sig 1911s?


Will these fit standard railed 1911 holsters?

The S80 trigger on mine is quite acceptable. I’m curious to see how it changes as I break it in.

I’m not sure about holsters, all I’ve tried so far is a new JMCK OWB2 for a railed 5” that I showed above. It was very simple to slightly recontour one place where the slide bevel didn’t quite fit right and to extend the slide stop recess a little toward the muzzle. I took a chance ordering the holster (I think Tony says they are railed Springfield pattern) but it was no problem.

[HeavyDuty]

I’m fine with no optics cut, but I bet they stick with that on whatever the release. You’re probably right that it’s best to offer that in 9mm.


Then Sig will jump on the 2011 band wagon.

The optic cut is my entire reason for getting this thing. My eyeballs are getting rusty…

[HeavyDuty]

SIG may roll this new slide pattern into the STX and the couple other 1911s still being made.

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Hmmm. Maybe the Commander length gun will be a bobtail?

Edit - you may be onto something. Everything on their 1911 page is marked discontinued except for the new 1911X:

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[Tokarev]

I wonder about the CA approved models. Isn't it a big process to get guns added to the CA roster? Maybe SIG is just not going to bother with the Golden State.

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[Tokarev]

I didn't think about taking pictures until after the fact. Sorry.

I took my frame apart this evening to wipe everything down now that the gun has had 1,000 rounds fired. It comes apart like any Series 80 but here are some random observations.

The grip screws were a little loose. All four were still present but none was overly snug. Grip screws have tiny o rings underneath which is something needed with hard grip materials like G10 or aluminum.

The Series 80 parts aren't numbered or otherwise marked like in a Colt. I guess SIG has the process refined to the point that different parts aren't needed to time the firing pin safety? Or maybe they do use different parts but they simply aren't marked?

Everything in the frame is MIM. I'm surprised SIG hasn't figured out a way to make MIM grip screws. Maybe they have?

The thumb safety is held by the hammer pin. The tongue and groove joint is at the far end of the primary safety axle. I think I like this. It should take some of the flex off the joint. I assume also that a broken right side thumb paddle wouldn't otherwise interfere with the pistol?

No big tool marks or nasty sharp edges in there anywhere.

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[HeavyDuty]

I didn't think about taking pictures until after the fact. Sorry.

I took my frame apart this evening to wipe everything down now that the gun has had 1,000 rounds fired. It comes apart like any Series 80 but here are some random observations.

The grip screws were a little loose. All four were still present but none was overly snug. Grip screws have tiny o rings underneath which is something needed with hard grip materials like G10 or aluminum.

The Series 80 parts aren't numbered or otherwise marked like in a Colt. I guess SIG has the process refined to the point that different parts aren't needed to time the firing pin safety? Or maybe they do use different parts but they simply aren't marked?

Everything in the frame is MIM. I'm surprised SIG hasn't figured out a way to make MIM grip screws. Maybe they have?

The thumb safety is held by the hammer pin. The tongue and groove joint is at the far end of the primary safety axle. I think I like this. It should take some of the flex off the joint. I assume also that a broken right side thumb paddle wouldn't otherwise interfere with the pistol?

No big tool marks or nasty sharp edges in there anywhere.

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Pretty much what I noted when I detail stripped mine. I replaced the trigger out of personal preference, tuned the grip safety letoff and also clipped a few coils from the magazine release spring. Only two of my grip screws had O rings, oddly.

I was surprised the S80 parts weren’t marked, too. They work, so I’m not worried about it. I can’t get too worked up by the MIM parts, I figure if any cause issues they will get replaced with higher quality tool steel.

This is my second 1911 with the offside ambi safety that is retained by an extended hammer pin (my MAC JSOC is the same.) I really like this method.

[Tokarev]

This is my second 1911 with the offside ambi safety that is retained by an extended hammer pin (my MAC JSOC is the same.) I really like this method.

Is the tongue and groove mating interface in the center of the axle or offset to one side like on the SIG?

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[HeavyDuty]

Is the tongue and groove mating interface in the center of the axle or offset to one side like on the SIG?

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I’d have to pull them both apart - to be honest I didn’t notice the SIG was offset.

[Tokarev]

Sage Dynamics has his 2,000 round review posted on Patreon. He likes the gun but wishes SIG would use a bigger optic. He says his sample has an excellent trigger and he didn't note having any malfunctions.

Controls worked well for him and the accuracy was good.

The four drop tests went off okay. He does comment that the gun is Series 70? Maybe I misunderstood him and didn't feel like watching it again.

[HeavyDuty]

Sage Dynamics has his 2,000 round review posted on Patreon. He likes the gun but wishes SIG would use a bigger optic. He says his sample has an excellent trigger and he didn't note having any malfunctions.

Controls worked well for him and the accuracy was good.

The four drop tests went off okay. He does comment that the gun is Series 70? Maybe I misunderstood him and didn't feel like watching it again.

He definitely did say Series 70 which could be taken as a comment that SIG’s S80 implementation was relatively transparent. My round count is still quite low, but I have zero complaints with the trigger on mine.

I also have no issue with the RXC’s window size, I will take a narrower optic with no overhang every time - which is why I put a RMRcc on my G26. Horses for courses, and I ain’t nobody.

[Tokarev]

I also have no issue with the RXC’s window size, I will take a narrower optic with no overhang every time.

I don't have any experience with the RXC but it seems pretty close to the EPS Carry. I test fit an EPSC on my gun and it fit flush with the slide. The EPS does overhang but it isn't much at all.

He didn't note anything about brass hitting his optic. Is this because the RXC is narrow enough that brass miss? HeavyDuty have you noticed any brass marks on your lower right corner of your optic?

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[HeavyDuty]

I’m not seeing any brass kisses so far.

[Tokarev]

I've been messing with a Safariland 6390RDSO meant for the Staccato XC. It fits the SIG just fine.

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I've also been messing with a TLR-9 on the gun. It seems to pair pretty well with the Holosun. It is a faux pas to use an X300 with a Holosun. Like them dudes who flex on Instagram with pics of Atlas guns with Olight lights attached. Puke!


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[Tokarev]

I actually regret not taking this gun to my A.J. Zito class. I didn't know what to expect and didn't want to rely on just one handgun. I have other 1911s but the SIG is the only tactical light and optic gun I currently have. I didn't want to mess with swapping around belts or holsters if the SIG or the optic took a dump.

But the class wasn't anything crazy. The SIG would have been perfectly satisfactory. Plus all the students were shooting some form of 9mm 2011. It would have been fun to be the odd man out with Old Slabsides in 45 ACP.

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