Holosun PID-K Plus

[GJM]

This looks very interesting, slimline sized pistol light with 1,000 lumens and a green laser.

https://www.policemag.com/patrol/news/15662899/shot-show-2024-holosun-debuts-pidk-and-pidkplus-handgun-lights

[dontshakepandas]

10,000 candela is pretty weak.

[GJM]

10,000 candela is pretty weak.

I just looked up the TLR-7A sub and it is 5,000 candela.

[NH Shooter]

Looks like a unique size and shape, which will require dedicated holsters.

[dontshakepandas]

I just looked up the TLR-7A sub and it is 5,000 candela.

That is also significantly underpowered. I'd rather just stick with a decent handheld than either of these options. I just need a light THAT small bad enough to give up the actual performance.

I do carry with a Surefire X300 Turbo about 50% of the time, and while it's quite comfortable with the right holster I would love something a bit smaller in the 40k-ish candela range. Something that matches the length of a G17 slide instead of a G34 slide would be a significant improvement.

Maybe the new Modlite offering from Shot will be a winner.


https://youtu.be/Dd8o35JxKVY?si=nTbXkBuK8xFGXcD_&t=205

[Clusterfrack]

Looks like a unique size and shape, which will require dedicated holsters.

:(

That is my sad face. "Read my lips. No new holsters."

[GJM]

With the option of the laser and twice the lumens of the TLR-7, why wouldn't this be the preferred small pistol light?

[Oldherkpilot]

:(

That is my sad face. "Read my lips. No new holsters."

We all remember how "that" went the first time.😁

[GJM]

That is also significantly underpowered. I'd rather just stick with a decent handheld than either of these options. I just need a light THAT small bad enough to give up the actual performance.

I am not sophisticated when it comes to candela, so I would appreciate some explanation.

When I have used a light in a concealment holster, lately it has been the TLR-7, and that has been a reasonable compromise between size, switching, fitting into an AIWB holster without making a gap at the top of the holster, and providing some light. Based on my experience, I can shoot FAR better with a WML than with a light in my hands.

This K model Holosun has twice the lumens and candela as the TLR-7, is smaller, and has the option of green laser. In the dark, a laser seems like the easy switch. The Surefire XSC is larger, has just 350 lumens and 2,000 candela. Is there a product out there that I am missing, or a reason that a small light with the specs of the new Holosun doesn't make sense on a slim line pistol?

[joshs]

I am not sophisticated when it comes to candela, so I would appreciate some explanation.

When I have used a light in a concealment holster, lately it has been the TLR-7, and that has been a reasonable compromise between size, switching, fitting into an AIWB holster without making a gap at the top of the holster, and providing some light. Based on my experience, I can shoot FAR better with a WML than with a light in my hands.

This K model Holosun has twice the lumens and candela as the TLR-7, is smaller, and has the option of green laser. In the dark, a laser seems like the easy switch. The Surefire XSC is larger, has just 350 lumens and 2,000 candela. Is there a product out there that I am missing, or a reason that a small light with the specs of the new Holosun doesn't make sense on a slim line pistol?

I think Streamlight just announced an HPL head with “double” the candela for the TLR-7. I assume that means 10k. I also don’t understand why Holosun likes the push in from the side switching. TLR switches are still the best.

[NH Shooter]

I am not sophisticated when it comes to candela, so I would appreciate some explanation.


Think of candela of how tightly a beam is focused. The tighter the focus for an equal lumen output, the higher the candela and the brighter the center of the beam is. But the tighter, brighter, higher candela beam comes at the cost of spill, both in width and how bright the spill is. A high candela beam looks like a spot light vs. more of a flood pattern for a lower candela beam of equal lumen output.

I hope this helps.

[dontshakepandas]

Is there a product out there that I am missing, or a reason that a small light with the specs of the new Holosun doesn't make sense on a slim line pistol?

I think if you MUST carry a slim line pistol and it MUST have a light on it and don't mind supporting China, this is likely the best option. I don't think the technology exists yet to get a light that size with the performance that makes it worth the effort (purchase price of light + holster and larger holster footprint) for me to carry. I would be interested in something smaller than an X300 and would give up some performance to get it, but currently the only options seem to be giant light with mega performance or tiny light with tiny performance. I'd love to see something in the middle.

That being said, I don't see any reason to carry a slim line gun and don't feel that a light on a concealed carry gun is anywhere near necessary though. Obviously, there are a ton of people that disagree with me on both of those opinions but those arguments probably belong in a different thread.

[NH Shooter]

That being said, I don't see any reason to carry a slim line gun and don't feel that a light on a concealed carry gun is anywhere near necessary though. Obviously, there are a ton of people that disagree with me on both of those opinions but those arguments probably belong in a different thread.

Current discussion on that topic here (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?59396-Fight-Lights-Weapon-Mounted-vs-Handheld).

[1Rangemaster]

I have run a TLR8/G(green laser) for almost two years now with good results for me. I usually run it in dual mode-light and laser. The laser adds another option if you will. I get the need for high lumens, and operators I have a lot of respect for run the big Streamlights and 300s. In my mostly admin.world the smaller light is adequate. Note I wrote "adequate".
I am, therefore, interested in the Holosun. I'd have to work with the switching and I have a minor concern with rechargeables-cold can affect them negatively. But I carry a handheld 2L-X with a rechargeable, so that's not a dealbreaker.
Givens has stated he doesn't see the weapon light as critical in a "civilian" context. There's adequate light in lots, etc. I think it's nice to have options. JMO, YMMV, etc....

[Default.mp3]

I think if you MUST carry a slim line pistol and it MUST have a light on it and don't mind supporting China, this is likely the best option. I don't think the technology exists yet to get a light that size with the performance that makes it worth the effort (purchase price of light + holster and larger holster footprint) for me to carry. I would be interested in something smaller than an X300 and would give up some performance to get it, but currently the only options seem to be giant light with mega performance or tiny light with tiny performance. I'd love to see something in the middle.An X300U only has 11.3k candela. I don't see how you can claim that 10k candela is somehow "weak". Sure, it's nowhere near the 66k candela of an X300T, and who knows what realworld performance is on the Holosuns, especially after thermal regulation, but 10k candela as a standalone number is reasonably more than sufficient for use as a pistol WML.

[dontshakepandas]

An X300U only has 11.3k candela. I don't see how you can claim that 10k candela is somehow "weak". Sure, it's nowhere near the 66k candela of an X300T, and who knows what realworld performance is on the Holosuns, especially after thermal regulation, but 10k candela as a standalone number is reasonably more than sufficient for use as a pistol WML.

I think the X300U is weak also, and since the X300T has been available I now have 3 of them and 0 X300Us. The X300U looks good in a dark house or lighting up a completely dark field, but doesn't have enough candela to push through photonic barriers, or to completely shut down a person's vision the way an X300T. I think it is more likely I'll need a light to do these things than to light everything up so I can be John Wick in the dark. As a civilian, I think it would be 99% more likely I'd be using the handheld though.

Edit: I'm not necessarily saying this is a bad light if size is a primary concern for you and you are OK with supporting China (I prefer not to). I don't have any issue carrying an X300T comfortably with a Floodlight 2.0, so this light would be a considerable downgrade for almost no gain. I know that not everyone can conceal an X300T comfortably, but I don't think they necessarily need to go all the way down to something this small. I think a lot of people would be able to conceal something the length of a G17 and it would allow for a more powerful light, but that seems to be a gap in the current market since companies are only making tiny lights or huge lights.

[RevolverRob]

I am not sophisticated when it comes to candela, so I would appreciate some explanation.

When I have used a light in a concealment holster, lately it has been the TLR-7, and that has been a reasonable compromise between size, switching, fitting into an AIWB holster without making a gap at the top of the holster, and providing some light. Based on my experience, I can shoot FAR better with a WML than with a light in my hands.

This K model Holosun has twice the lumens and candela as the TLR-7, is smaller, and has the option of green laser. In the dark, a laser seems like the easy switch. The Surefire XSC is larger, has just 350 lumens and 2,000 candela. Is there a product out there that I am missing, or a reason that a small light with the specs of the new Holosun doesn't make sense on a slim line pistol?

I'll simplify it a bit:

High Lumens + Low Candela = Headlights on normal setting

High Lumens + Medium Candela (10-50k) = Headlights on a bright setting

High Lumens + High Candela (50k+) = Spotlight mounted on the windshield post

Think about what your use cases and work from there.

[joshs]

I think a lot of people would be able to conceal something the length of a G17 and it would allow for a more powerful light, but that seems to be a gap in the current market since companies are only making tiny lights or huge lights.

I think the compact Modlite might be the first high candela compact option. The Surefire XR1 looks smaller than this Holosun with 15k candela.

[Mirolynmonbro]

I just looked up the TLR-7A sub and it is 5,000 candela.

Streamlight has a new head with 10k candela that will fit the tlr7 series of lights. It will be sold separately too. It's longer than the current head so it might not fit your holster

[Up1911Fan]

Streamlight has a new head with 10k candela that will fit the tlr7 series of lights. It will be sold separately too. It's longer than the current head so it might not fit your holster

link?

[jeep45238]

I am not sophisticated when it comes to candela, so I would appreciate some explanation.


I'm a visual person, so here's my attempt at explaining it:


https://youtu.be/BpJkqNVgtVw

[TicTacticalTimmy]

Streamlights are Chinese as well, right?

[dontshakepandas]

Streamlights are Chinese as well, right?

Their lights are made in China, but they are a US owned company. Holosun is Chinese made and Chinese owned.

[joshs]

link?

Not many details yet. They apparently had it at SHOT.

"Finally, the TLR-7 is not only becoming rechargeable, it is also getting a new optional HPL head that doubles the candela output. This new head makes the light slightly longer and may impact holster compatibility, but it's a big step up in CCW lights." https://www.recoilweb.com/shot-show-2024-day-two-round-up-183254.html

[Up1911Fan]

Not many details yet. They apparently had it at SHOT.

"Finally, the TLR-7 is not only becoming rechargeable, it is also getting a new optional HPL head that doubles the candela output. This new head makes the light slightly longer and may impact holster compatibility, but it's a big step up in CCW lights." https://www.recoilweb.com/shot-show-2024-day-two-round-up-183254.html

Thanks, I had seen the "X" rechargeable part, but hadn't seen anything about the new head.

[jeep45238]

Streamlights are Chinese as well, right?

All bow to the US made aluminum tube maglight supremacy.


Because it's "not" a baton.

[TicTacticalTimmy]

Their lights are made in China, but they are a US owned company. Holosun is Chinese made and Chinese owned.


That is what I thought. Personally I care a lot more about where something is made than where the owners/shareholders live.