Kahr X9 - Optics Ready, Double Stack using P365 mags

[RevolverRob]

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2024/01/25/shot-2024-kahr-ar-tommy-x9/

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2dlLolPW2i/?igsh=d3Z0bDE5ZTZxemQz

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Interesting. Looks like they kept the Kahr DAO trigger, a great decision.

[Clusterfrack]

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2024/01/25/shot-2024-kahr-ar-tommy-x9/

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2dlLolPW2i/?igsh=d3Z0bDE5ZTZxemQz

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Interesting. Looks like they kept the Kahr DAO trigger, a great decision.

I'm quite interested in the X9. Great idea to use 365 mags. I could see trying one after it's had a few years on the market.

[zaitcev]

I'm quite interested in the X9. Great idea to use 365 mags. I could see trying one after it's had a few years on the market.
Apparently it's not a given about the P365 mags. The example that Dan "T.F.G." received from Kahr came with both P365 and Hellcat magazines and both work in the gun.

BTW, I didn't realize that P365 and Hellcat magazines were that similar. They look quite different because Hellcat mags lack the "bottle" shape. But now I understand why SIG chose to sue Springfield and not any other micro-compact manufacturer.

[Suvorov]

Glad to see Kahr still in the game. That said - I have to wonder what (if anything) does it offer over a P365 other than maybe the trigger (which I don't find really any better safety wise as it lacks a hammer)? My old K9 is completely outclassed by the P365 - to the point that it is probably on the way out to make room for another 365.

[Elwin]

I like the looks of this a lot. As far as I can recall, this is the first offering that competes with the 365 and similar pistols but has a DA (or even DA-ish) pull, meaning it's the first option on the market for those who want a 365 equivalent but don't want a fully tensioned striker (with or without a manual safety). I keep waiting for Walter to release a PPS M3 to fit that niche but Kahr beat them to it.

[TicTacticalTimmy]

Glad to see Kahr still in the game. That said - I have to wonder what (if anything) does it offer over a P365 other than maybe the trigger (which I don't find really any better safety wise as it lacks a hammer)? My old K9 is completely outclassed by the P365 - to the point that it is probably on the way out to make room for another 365.

I'd say that would be it, the trigger. I for one am really interested in this and have been waiting years for something along these lines to come out. Not at all interested in a fully cocked weapon pointing at my body all day when safer options exist.

Also Kahrs are impressively length-efficient.

Looks like they redesigned a lot of internal parts as well, the takedown is much better. Hoping this means the end of Kahrs infamous break in period.

[JAD]

I really liked the trigger on my Kahrs, like the P365 and assume the form factor will be similar, and expect that this will be a good gun. However, for me the manual safety on the P365 trumps the LEMmish K9 by a bit. Nice gun though.

[Suvorov]

However, for me the manual safety on the P365 trumps the LEMmish K9 by a bit. Nice gun though.

That's kind of where I sit. While I can understand peoples trepidation over a "cocked" striker (especially given some of the reports of P320s going bang), I feel a cocked striker with manual safety is slightly more comforting than a hammerless DAO. All that said - I have been comfortable with the Kahr's trigger system for 25 years although I certainly shoot the P365 better than the Kahr. I hope this little gun gives those who would rather go this way another great option.

[TicTacticalTimmy]

Nothing wrong with carrying condition 1.

For me I carry DA/SA guns in condition 2. I want all my serious use handguns to have roughly the same manual of arms, and this DAO-ish trigger gives me that. If I had one carry gun that is in condition 1, I would require all my carry guns to be in condition 1.

To me having the same manual of arms, particularly as regards safety functions, is very high on the list of what makes a good weapon for me. It is trumped only be reliability/durability, and is way higher up the list than magazine capacity.

[GJM]

Any sense with the trigger weight is on this? For reference, the 365 is just over 5 pounds with a fair amount of travel.

[TicTacticalTimmy]

Any sense with the trigger weight is on this? For reference, the 365 is just over 5 pounds with a fair amount of travel.

It is supposed to be identical to their traditional offerings, but with a shorter reset.

They will also have a short throw (fully cocked?) trigger option for those who prefer it.

[Blades]

I clicked the first link because I wanted to see the grip. It looks like the P365 Wilson grip, with a little bit of a Boresight Solutions Razorback hump.

[Redhat]

Glad to see Kahr still in the game. That said - I have to wonder what (if anything) does it offer over a P365 other than maybe the trigger (which I don't find really any better safety wise as it lacks a hammer)? My old K9 is completely outclassed by the P365 - to the point that it is probably on the way out to make room for another 365.

No way I'd get rid of a K9 if it was trouble free.

[Clusterfrack]

Glad to see Kahr still in the game. That said - I have to wonder what (if anything) does it offer over a P365 other than maybe the trigger (which I don't find really any better safety wise as it lacks a hammer)? My old K9 is completely outclassed by the P365 - to the point that it is probably on the way out to make room for another 365.

The 365 is a more high-performance gun for sure. I shoot them well, and have recommended them to others. On the other hand, I'm not thrilled by the fully-cocked striker for AIWB. The 365 is really easy to shoot, and it feels right on the edge of too easy (especially in such a small package).

I'm a little concerned about the lighter, shorter trigger option in the X9. I sure hope it retains parts compatibility and doesn't have a fully-cocked striker.

[Suvorov]

No way I'd get rid of a K9 if it was trouble free.

You know - I always talk about getting rid of guns but I never actually do it. Hell - I still have my Sig Mosquito.

[zaitcev]

On the other hand, I'm not thrilled by the fully-cocked striker for AIWB.

The striker is essentially fully tensioned in the traditional Kahrs. It does travel a little more back when trigger is pulled, but it's about 10% of the full travel at release.

If you want a gun where the striker is not pre-tensioned, and the trigger pull draws the striker back for the full amount of its travel, consider a Taurus.

[TOTS]

Ew.

😉

[Bucky]

I should get one of these as a smaller option to complement my daily carry Wilson “X9”. That should lead to some confusing conversations. :D

[TicTacticalTimmy]

The striker is essentially fully tensioned in the traditional Kahrs. It does travel a little more back when trigger is pulled, but it's about 10% of the full travel at release.

If you want a gun where the striker is not pre-tensioned, and the trigger pull draws the striker back for the full amount of its travel, consider a Taurus.

Are you sure about that?

I measured the striker movement in my P9. This was with the gun disassembled, just looking at how the parts interact and measuring with calipers, so I may be off. From what I can tell the striker initially moves .4" when the slide is ran, then the trigger cocks the striker an additional .15". So I would say it is about 60-70% cocked, a little less than a stock glock. I also feel that the triggerpull requires more work to set off compared to a stock glock. And a stock glock requires more work to set off than most of the other striker fired pistols on the market.

Interested to hear more about Taurus if that is the case. I thought that the newer models are more or less fully cocked?

[lee n. field]

The striker is essentially fully tensioned in the traditional Kahrs. It does travel a little more back when trigger is pulled, but it's about 10% of the full travel at release.

If you want a gun where the striker is not pre-tensioned, and the trigger pull draws the striker back for the full amount of its travel, consider a Taurus.

The G2C and G3c I'm familiar with have fully tensioned strikers.

[MattyD380]

Are you sure about that?

I measured the striker movement in my P9. This was with the gun disassembled, just looking at how the parts interact and measuring with calipers, so I may be off. From what I can tell the striker initially moves .4" when the slide is ran, then the trigger cocks the striker an additional .15". So I would say it is about 60-70% cocked, a little less than a stock glock. I also feel that the triggerpull requires more work to set off compared to a stock glock. And a stock glock requires more work to set off than most of the other striker fired pistols on the market.

Interested to hear more about Taurus if that is the case. I thought that the newer models are more or less fully cocked?

I had a Kahr K9 a few years ago.

I really liked the gun. I felt it was accurate. It demonstrated excellent reliability. And it was the size of a G43. I also loooved the feel of the trigger.

Unfortunately, for me, it didn't really deliver on the "authentic double action experience" I was looking for. Subjectively, it felt like a single-action trigger with a bit more takeup. Nice, smooth, silky takeup... but not the kind of long, continuous resistance that gives me "real" double-action peace of mind. Not sure how all that translates to what the striker springs are actually doing, but I suspect it's definitely more pre-cocked than it's not. At the end of the day, I wanted a gun I could throw in a comfy soft holster with no second thoughts... but... I really didn't feel comfortable carrying the K9 in anything but a rigid holster.

All that said...

I think Kahr triggers used to be more double-action-y. At one point they offered a standard/original trigger (sometimes called the NYPD trigger) and a lighter "elite" trigger--and I tend to think everything became the elite trigger at some point; the distinction in the triggers then went away. I actually emailed Kahr to see if they offered conversions back to the original/NYPD trigger, I was told they no longer had those parts. So... I sold the gun.

[Bucky]

I had 2 P9s, converted to P9 Coverts, before the Coverts actually existed (so long time ago). The trigger pull had a very smooth double action-y [I]feel[/U].

Didn’t feel like NY-12#-bullshitty though. Perhaps this predated NY usage and “elite” triggers.

[Oldherkpilot]

I think Kahr triggers used to be more double-action-y. At one point they offered a standard/original trigger (sometimes called the NYPD trigger) and a lighter "elite" trigger--and I tend to think everything became the elite trigger at some point; the distinction in the triggers then went away. I actually emailed Kahr to see if they offered conversions back to the original/NYPD trigger, I was told they no longer had those parts. So... I sold the gun.

I very much like the Kahr trigger. I hoped the the HK LEM pistol would give me a double stack Kahr, but didn't quite work out. I agree with your thoughts above for the most part. The E9 I bought in 1998 has a more "double-action-y" trigger than any of my Ps, CWs, or CMs. My K40 has the Elite trigger, which is a little in between. So I tend to think there are three variants in the trigger but am too lazy to actually get the company read.

[Dog Guy]

Any intel on what the optic cut is?

[MattyD380]

I very much like the Kahr trigger. I hoped the the HK LEM pistol would give me a double stack Kahr, but didn't quite work out. I agree with your thoughts above for the most part. The E9 I bought in 1998 has a more "double-action-y" trigger than any of my Ps, CWs, or CMs. My K40 has the Elite trigger, which is a little in between. So I tend to think there are three variants in the trigger but am too lazy to actually get the company read.

Yeah, you're probably right. And I think they've been consistently trending lighter. Which I get... but... kinda kills the "flat DA revolver" paradigm for me.

Nevertheless... I still want to find a T9 at some point :)

[taadski]

The different triggers in the Kahrs is news to me. I own an early version P9 I carried as a bug for a lot of years from the early 2000s. I own a newer P9 (4ish years old?) and similar vintage PM9 that all seem to have identical triggers. I’d be interested in more detail re the various iterations if anyone has that info to share.

The described “short reset” in the video for this new pistol gave me a bit of pause, in a ‘leave well enough alone’ sense. While I’m not really in the market, I’ll be interested in fondling what they’ve come up with.

[Dog Guy]

Any intel on what the optic cut is?

I found a video stating that the cut is RMSc.