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The Macro is an amazing shooting gun. Mine with a dot and XL upper weighs only 19.45 ounces without a magazine. The Macro deserves its own shooting thread where we post match and shooting videos and pictures of groups shot with the Macro.
Comparing the Macro with a larger pistol, I find a greater difference in my performance when shooting support hand only. The larger pistol has a bigger grip, more weight to stabilize one hand only, and a larger optic display to find and keep the dot in it.
With the Macro, support hand only I have to fully extend my arm to make up for its light weight, and be more precise in keeping the display between my dominant eye and the target. I have spent some time over the last week working this with the Macro, and am making some progress in narrowing the delta between the Macro and larger pistols.
https://youtu.be/BjbVSbnCqh0?feature=shared
GJM do you think the Macro will supplant or replace your G19s?
GJM do you think the Macro will supplant or replace your G19s?
While what I do this afternoon is often different than what I do this morning, the Macro has supplanted the G19 for now. Two reasons:
1) it points like the AXG lower/GGI 4.7 Lockwood 320 LO pistol I am shooting.
2) it has similar capacity to the 19, is thinner and lighter, and for now I shoot it better than the 19. After shooting my LO pistol in practice, I can pick up the Macro and shoot it close in performance with no transition. This is from a few days ago -- my only two runs with the Macro on this steel array right after shooting the AXG.
https://youtu.be/jJwbMsecYx8?feature=shared
While what I do this afternoon is often different than what I do this morning, the Macro has supplanted the G19 for now. Two reasons:
1) it points like the AXG lower/GGI 4.7 Lockwood 320 LO pistol I am shooting.
2) it has similar capacity to the 19, is thinner and lighter, and for now I shoot it better than the 19. After shooting my LO pistol in practice, I can pick up the Macro and shoot it close in performance with no transition. This is from a few days ago -- my only two runs with the Macro on this steel array right after shooting the AXG.
https://youtu.be/jJwbMsecYx8?feature=shared
I'm a lifelong Glock fanboy, and an avowed Sig hater, but I'm having a hard time not admitting that the P365 family might be the hands down best "default" EDC pistol for private citizen defensive carriers, especially if the manual safety fits someone well. Not a duty gun or competition gun, but as an EDC defensive gun, a Macro frame or modified XL (Wilson or cut down Macro) is really compelling in the size bracket. Nothing else has the support and the 365s seem to have the slim frame Glocks beat in reliability and size:capacity.
My impression:
Despite some people previously swearing they could go back and forth between Glocks and neutral grip angle guns without any performance drop… they find there actually is a performance drop.
Also my impression:
It’s not the macro grip module that’s special. It’s the similarity to what is most trained on that is yielding the benefit.
It’s conflating two separate things and it’s not particular to a macro grip itself… it’s more a function of consistent mechanics.
If I took a macro grip and put a backstrap that pointed differently than CZ, my performance would drop.
How do I know? Because I started with the wrong macro backstrap not realizing that the size nomenclature has a different backstrap angle as well.
So that’s why this thread is amusing to me. It’s not about the macro grip at all. It’s that someone finally discovered what people have been saying for years… consistency of grip angle matters for performance when you get to a certain level of performance.
Thats kinda exactly what GJM said in his first reply to me- he is shooting the 365 better than his G19 at the moment, because it is more similar to what he is shooting otherwise (320 Lockwood), which is certainly not the same as going from a 2011 open gun or 320 AXG to a G19- especially with the grip anchor. I found the grip anchor effectively increased grip angle on a 19 for me, like a full 1911 vs a bobtail one with the bottom of my hand coming in slightly.
Thats kinda exactly what GJM said in his first reply to me- he is shooting the 365 better than his G19 at the moment, because it is more similar to what he is shooting otherwise (320 Lockwood), which is certainly not the same as going from a 2011 open gun or 320 AXG to a G19- especially with the grip anchor. I found the grip anchor effectively increased grip angle on a 19 for me, like a full 1911 vs a bobtail one with the bottom of my hand coming in slightly.
Exactly! That's what I've been saying for years. I try very hard to stay with one grip angle. That's why I humpectomied the Glocks and use custom arched mainspring housings on 1911s... so they all point the same as my predominant angle CZs.
There IS a performance drop when going to other grip angles. It can be compensated for, but it definitely is there. It's more important as you get to better levels of performance.
Which is why I carry a P365x instead of a G43x. The Sig angles are more similar to CZs than Glocks are.
It's also why I don't shoot my original Aliens... but I'm excited about the Alien Creator edition which has variable backstraps.
So in this case, I don't think it's the Macro that's particularly special. It's consistency in training.
Noah
Check this out.
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WC XL grip with tungsten inserts and brass magwell…
On top of a macro grip.
The WC as laid out is multiple ounces heavier and the magwell gives leverage.
Which one do you think shoots better?
Which was my point about having a general P365 performance thread rather than a grip module thread.
In case people wanted to learn about the different mechanics that improve performance with the system.
Thats kinda exactly what GJM said in his first reply to me- he is shooting the 365 better than his G19 at the moment, because it is more similar to what he is shooting otherwise (320 Lockwood), which is certainly not the same as going from a 2011 open gun or 320 AXG to a G19- especially with the grip anchor. I found the grip anchor effectively increased grip angle on a 19 for me, like a full 1911 vs a bobtail one with the bottom of my hand coming in slightly.
Noah, it was more than just grip angle. Last February, I hurt my support hand wrist shooting 10mm, and to get back shooting with less pain, I adopted a support index finger on the trigger guard grip. A by product of that, was this levels the Glock for me and overcomes the different grip angle in the Glock. When I started shooting the AXG, I also went back to my pre trigger guard grip. That didn't result in needing a micro correction, it resulted in me needing a large correction.
To your earlier point, my LGS says the 365 family outsells everything else for them. Outside the forum world, people really like slimline pistols for EDC, and apparently really like 365s!
Video of G19Fan at a recent match shooting his Macro.
https://imgur.com/a/Uv0boNl
WobblyPossum
01-09-2024, 10:24 PM
Noah, it was more than just grip angle. Last February, I hurt my support hand wrist shooting 10mm, and to get back shooting with less pain, I adopted a support index finger on the trigger guard grip. A by product of that, was this levels the Glock for me and overcomes the different grip angle in the Glock. When I started shooting the AXG, I also went back to my pre trigger guard grip. That didn't result in needing a micro correction, it resulted in me needing a large correction.
To your earlier point, my LGS says the 365 family outsells everything else for them. Outside the forum world, people really like slimline pistols for EDC, and apparently really like 365s!
I’m willing to bet a substantial portion of the forum world that regularly carries a semiauto also carries a slimline one. Smaller and lighter guns are just easier and more convenient to carry. I really like my X and XL. I haven’t seriously tried the Macro yet, only fired a couple of mags through my supervisor’s. When I decide to go back to a gun larger than my XL, I’ll just buy a Macro grip module, some more mags, and a new holster for it.
D-der
01-10-2024, 08:44 AM
I’m willing to bet a substantial portion of the forum world that regularly carries a semiauto also carries a slimline one. Smaller and lighter guns are just easier and more convenient to carry. I really like my X and XL. I haven’t seriously tried the Macro yet, only fired a couple of mags through my supervisor’s. When I decide to go back to a gun larger than my XL, I’ll just buy a Macro grip module, some more mags, and a new holster for it.
I went along these lines myself and built a Macro with an XL upper from spare parts...
only problem is, I still want to pick up a Tac Ops
G19Fan
01-10-2024, 09:03 AM
I went along these lines myself and built a Macro with an XL upper from spare parts...
only problem is, I still want to pick up a Tac Ops
Tac Ops is a nice gun....
Jay Beal is a talented USPSA Carry Optics shooter, who won the standards stage, involving strong and support hand shooting at CO Nats. He is quite aggressive in getting behind the gun shooting one hand. I have been trying to bring more of that shooting the Macro support hand, as the gun is so light.
This is shooting support hand earlier today.
https://youtu.be/MpJEtW49cn8?feature=shared
Freestyle is a lot of fun with the Macro as the light gun draws and transitions so well.
https://youtu.be/GNX4A9x_72k?feature=shared
Yesterday, I worked to push out the distance on harder shots. The far steel is at 25 yards.
https://youtu.be/CMKFzXu6NoQ?feature=shared
DLWinner
01-10-2024, 05:00 PM
I was able to get my Macro to the range today. Awesome gun. Shot amazing.
I was able to get my Macro to the range today. Awesome gun. Shot amazing.
How did you shoot it compared to your Glock?
DLWinner
01-10-2024, 05:48 PM
How did you shoot it compared to your Glock?
Both guns shoot amazing. The G17 has been my edc for the last 4 years. The Glock is slightly softer shooting. Just slightly. It’s hard for me to say this, but I shot the Sig better and faster. I still trust the Glock more just because it’s a Glock and that’s what I’m used to.
Sig definitely has a winner with this one.
G19Fan
01-11-2024, 09:31 AM
Both guns shoot amazing. The G17 has been my edc for the last 4 years. The Glock is slightly softer shooting. Just slightly. It’s hard for me to say this, but I shot the Sig better and faster. I still trust the Glock more just because it’s a Glock and that’s what I’m used to.
Sig definitely has a winner with this one.
Give it time at one stage all we owned were g19s. Now all we own are p365s.
If you chop your macro grip it carries like a g48 for me while shooting like a g19.
My training gun (xl macro chopped) is on approx 33k rounds. No issues
Give it time at one stage all we owned were g19s. Now all we own are p365s.
If you chop your macro grip it carries like a g48 for me while shooting like a g19.
My training gun (xl macro chopped) is on approx 33k rounds. No issues
What small parts or springs have been replaced in those 33k rounds? Genuine question as that's probably the highest round count I've seen on any of the new slimline guns.
What small parts or springs have been replaced in those 33k rounds? Genuine question as that's probably the highest round count I've seen on any of the new slimline guns.
https://www.maxonshooters.com/blog/sig-sauer-p365-gun-review-100000-round-torture-test
100,000 rounds
And 50,000 rounds below
https://youtu.be/kutIH9WyjsA?si=6HDM2U3SnX3kQ294
RAM Engineer
01-11-2024, 12:28 PM
Give it time at one stage all we owned were g19s. Now all we own are p365s.
If you chop your macro grip it carries like a g48 for me while shooting like a g19.
My training gun (xl macro chopped) is on approx 33k rounds. No issues
Gonna have to change your user name. ;)
Gonna have to change your user name. ;)
The G19 is the G19 of the 2000s and 2010s. The 365 is the G19 of the 2020s
https://www.maxonshooters.com/blog/sig-sauer-p365-gun-review-100000-round-torture-test
100,000 rounds
And 50,000 rounds below
https://youtu.be/kutIH9WyjsA?si=6HDM2U3SnX3kQ294
Very impressive.
If I wasn't invested in and happy with my G19s for EDC/Training/Competition, and a G42 for NPE/Yardwork/The wife, I'd try some 365s.
Very impressive.
If I wasn't invested in and happy with my G19s for EDC/Training/Competition, and a G42 for NPE/Yardwork/The wife, I'd try some 365s.
When the 365 first came out, my wife had a battery of 42, 43 and 26 for EDC, and would pick based on wardrobe. She replaced all with a 365 and now has a 365 and 365 Macro combination for 90 percent of her EDC. She has a G19 with a comp and 509T for field use in a Safariland RDS holster.
I think most shooters are able to press the trigger straight back easier with a Macro than a Glock.
flyrodr
01-11-2024, 01:47 PM
I think most shooters are able to press the trigger straight back easier with a Macro than a Glock.
Amen to that!
G19Fan
01-11-2024, 05:43 PM
Gonna have to change your user name. ;)
Ha this is true. Artist formerly known as G19Fan
G19Fan
01-11-2024, 05:46 PM
What small parts or springs have been replaced in those 33k rounds? Genuine question as that's probably the highest round count I've seen on any of the new slimline guns.
I replace recoil spring every 7k rounds (or if it feels off for shooting) Trigger spring every 10k (no issues jsut because)
Nothing else
John Hearne
01-12-2024, 10:30 AM
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I have a Tac Ops which I haven’t been able to shoot yet. This photo intrigues me. On the right is my normal carry gun - a P320 fulls size cut to take compact magazines. It holds 15 rounds and is just long enough for me to get a full grip.
On the left is the X-Macro. Effectively the same length for a full grip but 17 rounds. Pretty sure the mag well is going to go. Hoping the trigger will clean up after live fire. It has a ton of nasty creep after you hit the wall.
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I have a Tac Ops which I haven’t been able to shoot yet. This photo intrigues me. On the right is my normal carry gun - a P320 fulls size cut to take compact magazines. It holds 15 rounds and is just long enough for me to get a full grip.
On the left is the X-Macro. Effectively the same length for a full grip but 17 rounds. Pretty sure the mag well is going to go. Hoping the trigger will clean up after live fire. It has a ton of nasty creep after you hit the wall.
Unlike pre Gen 5 Glock triggers, that have a lot of variability, everyone of my XL/Macro triggers feels exactly the same. Just over five pounds pull, with a definite wall and then sort of spongy break that I find predictable to shoot and appropriate for a carry trigger. I have not felt them change much with rounds.
PS: it is amazing how much higher you can get on a Macro than a 320.
John Hearne
01-12-2024, 01:05 PM
Unlike pre Gen 5 Glock triggers, that have a lot of variability, everyone of my XL/Macro triggers feels exactly the same. Just over five pounds pull, with a definite wall and then sort of spongy break that I find predictable to shoot and appropriate for a carry trigger. I have not felt them change much with rounds.
I've got a P365 and P365 XL and their triggers are identical as far as I can tell. The Macro is a different kettle of fish. I may try to catch it on video and post.
I've got a P365 and P365 XL and their triggers are identical as far as I can tell. The Macro is a different kettle of fish. I may try to catch it on video and post.
Something sounds messed up. Have you tried pulling a FCU out of your XL and trying it in the Macro to see if the issue follows the FCU or is some interface between FCU and your Macro upper?
I've got a P365 and P365 XL and their triggers are identical as far as I can tell. The Macro is a different kettle of fish. I may try to catch it on video and post.
My Macro has more creep in it than the White House. I don't notice it at speed, but slow fire it drives me nuts.
G19Fan
01-12-2024, 07:16 PM
My Macro has more creep in it than the White House. I don't notice it at speed, but slow fire it drives me nuts.
My single macro trigger has more creep than my 5 xl or p365 triggers.
Also.don't notice shooting fast. Shooting slow it can be annoying.
Swapping grip modules and such no diff
This is clearly a trend and interesting. What about the Macro makes for this -- something about the shape of the grip module or how it supports the FCU? It would be interesting to take an XL upper from a Macro TacOps, and a Macro FCU and drop them in an XL grip module and see what happens.
John Hearne
01-13-2024, 11:54 AM
Having lived with Sig for 20+ years, I'd say "rolling design changes."
Having lived with Sig for 20+ years, I'd say "rolling design changes."
That's probably the #1 reason I've never really got into anything Sig. Not that fixing something that is actually a problem is a bad thing. It just seems like more of a roll of the dice at any given moment.
DLWinner
01-13-2024, 07:20 PM
I received my XL module and mags today. 150 more rounds fired. I definitely like the Macro module better.
I am calling BS on the Sig rolling change things as regards the 365 family. I just went and pulled the triggers on four Macros, an XL and four 365 pistols. I can't tell a bit of difference in the triggers and these span many years.
What is true, is they all have a defined wall and then a fair amount of travel (creep) until they break. I consider that appropriate for a carry gun and zero impediment to my ability to shoot the pistols. If you want a reason to hate Sig, there are plenty but the 365 family is not a good reason.
D-der
01-13-2024, 08:25 PM
I have to say, my 365, two XL' s and Franken Macro which all cover a span of a few years all have very similar triggers, just about 5lb' s with some take up, a wall,bit of creepy break, two of them have curved and two have flat triggers. I find them to be very stage-able, generally I'm not shy about doing a little trigger work, I haven't felt the need on my 365's, although I did finger a WC 365 at my regular lbs and the trigger sucked, the customer was rightfully unhappy and debating sending it back to Wilson.
I am calling BS on the Sig rolling change things as regards the 365 family. SNIP If you want a reason to hate Sig, there are plenty but the 365 family is not a good reason.
I was speaking to rolling changes and variable Sig quality in general, not specifically the 365. I've shot a small number of various 365's, and they do shoot fairly well, and the ones I played with didn't have any issues. They were also low round count, new guns, so I can't comment on longevity.
I've got other reasons to dislike Sig... but by most accounts the 365 series guns are quite good. If I wasn't heavily invested in 9mm Glocks, I'd maybe give them a serious try.
frozentundra
01-13-2024, 09:44 PM
When the 365 first came out, my wife had a battery of 42, 43 and 26 for EDC, and would pick based on wardrobe. She replaced all with a 365 and now has a 365 and 365 Macro combination for 90 percent of her EDC. She has a G19 with a comp and 509T for field use in a Safariland RDS holster.
If you don't mind me being nosy, curious what y'all have settled on for carry and practice ammo in shorter barreled 365 setups? Using the same in XL upper guns too, or different?
I remember some years back there was a thread about certain slimline guns perhaps running more reliably with lighter/shorter ammo, but that may have been more of a Glock thing; I just can't remember clearly now. I finally jumped on the 365 bandwagon. I've been interested in the standard pressure 115 Gold Dot, but I don't think it was on The List, last I checked. Seems like the lightest weight, lowest recoiling round would be ideal for this tiny gun if function and terminal performance are still acceptable.
Vetting carry ammo is quite expensive :(
If you don't mind me being nosy, curious what y'all have settled on for carry and practice ammo in shorter barreled 365 setups? Using the same in XL upper guns too, or different?
I remember some years back there was a thread about certain slimline guns perhaps running more reliably with lighter/shorter ammo, but that may have been more of a Glock thing; I just can't remember clearly now. I finally jumped on the 365 bandwagon. I've been interested in the standard pressure 115 Gold Dot, but I don't think it was on The List, last I checked. Seems like the lightest weight, lowest recoiling round would be ideal for this tiny gun if function and terminal performance are still acceptable.
Vetting carry ammo is quite expensive :(
When that thread came out, we started running Gold Dot 115 (standard pressure) in Glock 43/43X and 365 pistols. With a 3.1/PMM comp and the 3.7 barrels we have been using Gold Dot 124+P. Reliability comes first for me.
RAM Engineer
01-13-2024, 11:01 PM
When that thread came out, we started running Gold Dot 115 (standard pressure) in Glock 43/43X and 365 pistols. With a 3.1/PMM comp and the 3.7 barrels we have been using Gold Dot 124+P. Reliability comes first for me.
Short barrel or standard version?
Short barrel or standard version?
Standard, but:
1) I don't have any special knowledge of terminal ballistics beyond what I read here.
and
2) 124+P has been my EDC JHP for a long, long time.
John Hearne
01-15-2024, 12:10 PM
That's probably the #1 reason I've never really got into anything Sig. Not that fixing something that is actually a problem is a bad thing. It just seems like more of a roll of the dice at any given moment.
To be fair, Sig has gotten a lot better about implementing it well. If you look at most components of any size, they have a code on them. I'm sure that's there to identify manufacturer and date. I did hear somewhere that Sig has moved a lot of its small parts manufacturing in-house. Less Indian MIM it would seem....
I have to say, my 365, two XL' s and Franken Macro which all cover a span of a few years all have very similar triggers, just about 5lb' s with some take up, a wall,bit of creepy break, two of them have curved and two have flat triggers. I find them to be very stage-able, generally I'm not shy about doing a little trigger work, I haven't felt the need on my 365's, although I did finger a WC 365 at my regular lbs and the trigger sucked, the customer was rightfully unhappy and debating sending it back to Wilson.
My experience is almost identical, 4 P365s, one curved, three flat. All measured just over 5#, and very easy to stage.
Re: ammo, same throughout my narrow 9mm experience: AE 124 for practice, Speer GD124+p for carry. I am trying Federal 124 HST as a potentially softer option (getting old) but to be honest it’s pretty zippy as well. No issues with any of it, expect with the first rounds out of two brand new uncycled magazines, once.
There was a time I was more amused by stunting, but lately not so much. This afternoon I got a wild hair and decided to see what I could do with the macro. It is definitely a very shootable little gun. Draws .49-60, 1.75 Bill from a JMCK Range holster on a Safariland CUBL/QLS set up.
https://youtu.be/mufedAZoeUY?feature=shared
I pulled the Macro out at the end of my practice session, and shot steel at 10, 15, 20 and 25 yards. Pretty sure I can shoot this as well as my 19.
https://youtu.be/JqvTMFF-h0E?feature=shared
Playing around with draws to an eight inch steel at ten yards with the Macro.
https://youtu.be/q2EYQPZ1Lk4?feature=shared
I shot the XL length upper and a PMM barrel comp, side by side on the same lower, using Lawman 124 at 25 yards, shooting five round groups. The XL upper was substantially more precise than the PMM.
WobblyPossum
02-07-2024, 05:44 PM
The Sig barrels are generally known to be superbly accurate. What’s the most accurate aftermarket barrel for the P365?
Up1911Fan
02-07-2024, 07:52 PM
The Sig barrels are generally known to be superbly accurate. What’s the most accurate aftermarket barrel for the P365?
My OEM barrels all shoot great. Is there something wrong with yours?
WobblyPossum
02-07-2024, 08:13 PM
My OEM barrels all shoot great. Is there something wrong with yours?
Nothing at all. Mine shoot quite well. I was just curious since GJM just posted that he saw decreased accuracy using a PMM barrel with comp.
Nothing at all. Mine shoot quite well. I was just curious since GJM just posted that he saw decreased accuracy using a PMM barrel with comp.
I have found the OEM 3.1 and 3.7 barrels to shoot well. The OEM 3.1 with the porting, not so good.
The Sig barrels are generally known to be superbly accurate. What’s the most accurate aftermarket barrel for the P365?
Boy I sure wouldn't say that, but I will agree the 365's seem to shoot accurately.
I have found the OEM 3.1 and 3.7 barrels to shoot well. The OEM 3.1 with the porting, not so good.
I am not the shooter you are and these were not shot for pure accuracy as they were 10-10-10 but at 25 instead of 10 yards.
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I am not the shooter you are and these were not shot for pure accuracy as they were 10-10-10 but at 25 instead of 10 yards.
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Those look excellent for that drill. Have you shot careful groups with them at 25? My experience was that Gold Dot did
better than ball, but not like the non ported OEM barrels.
Those look excellent for that drill. Have you shot careful groups with them at 25? My experience was that Gold Dot did
better than ball, but not like the non ported OEM barrels.
I haven't yet. Live fire has been limited do to weather and range conditions. I plan to do so though.
Up1911Fan
02-07-2024, 10:28 PM
I haven't yet. Live fire has been limited do to weather and range conditions. I plan to do so though.
I mean, this is the best February weather MI has had in my 39 years, just sayin.
Brianjkeene
02-07-2024, 11:12 PM
My Macro has more creep in it than the White House. I don't notice it at speed, but slow fire it drives me nuts.
If you really wanted to take that creep out, these "sear control springs" can do that - albeit by lessening the sear engagement. I tried one in a 365 and it was night and day...zero creep
https://tacticaltriggers.com/p365-sear-control-springs/
I haven't yet. Live fire has been limited do to weather and range conditions. I plan to do so though.
My P320 X Ten Comp, with a similar ported set up, shoots excellent groups. I have hoped Sig identified the issue some of us experienced with accuracy with the 3.1 ported slide. Hopefully your 365 AXG shoots great at 25 yards.
How do you compare recoil between your regular Macro and the AXG Macro? The aluminum grip weighs more, but polymer can be more forgiving with recoil.
If you really wanted to take that creep out, these "sear control springs" can do that - albeit by lessening the sear engagement. I tried one in a 365 and it was night and day...zero creep
https://tacticaltriggers.com/p365-sear-control-springs/
On a defensive pistol, I find that creep to be a feature not a bug. The stock 365 trigger feels LEM'ish to me, only more shootable.
Brianjkeene
02-08-2024, 09:17 AM
On a defensive pistol, I find that creep to be a feature not a bug. The stock 365 trigger feels LEM'ish to me, only more shootable.
I’m with you on this. The factory trigger doesn’t get in the way for me - though I do vastly prefer the curved to the straight trigger. I will say that I took that sear spring kit out as it didn’t do anything for my times. That being said, it felt great in dry fire and slow precision shooting - the break was very similar to my Apex M&Ps.
I’m with you on this. The factory trigger doesn’t get in the way for me - though I do vastly prefer the curved to the straight trigger. I will say that I took that sear spring kit out as it didn’t do anything for my times. That being said, it felt great in dry fire and slow precision shooting - the break was very similar to my Apex M&Ps.
Interesting, as I also prefer the curved trigger in dry fire, but see no difference in hits/time when live firing.
Brianjkeene
02-08-2024, 09:27 AM
Interesting, as I also prefer the curved trigger in dry fire, but see no difference in hits/time when live firing.
I tend to pull shots low with straight trigger but have no issues with the curved. I know it’s grip but my XL hands and the slim frame struggle a bit on the slim lines.
G19Fan
02-08-2024, 03:19 PM
I tend to pull shots low with straight trigger but have no issues with the curved. I know it’s grip but my XL hands and the slim frame struggle a bit on the slim lines.
Prefer curved both fast and slow fire. Myb accuracy slow fire is worse with flat trigger.
I mean, this is the best February weather MI has had in my 39 years, just sayin.
Yes, but the range is still mostly under water. That is what happens when you add a lot of rain to 3 feet of snow and bad drainage.
My P320 X Ten Comp, with a similar ported set up, shoots excellent groups. I have hoped Sig identified the issue some of us experienced with accuracy with the 3.1 ported slide. Hopefully your 365 AXG shoots great at 25 yards.
How do you compare recoil between your regular Macro and the AXG Macro? The aluminum grip weighs more, but polymer can be more forgiving with recoil.
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The best I can say is that they are different. There is no doubt especially with defensive loads the porting tames the muzzle rise.
The best I can say is that they are different. There is no doubt especially with defensive loads the porting tames the muzzle rise.
In a review or two, they said the polymer was as soft, or softer than the AXG aluminum grip, and I wondered what you thought?
i can chime in on the standard macro vs axg. the axg is very flat, soft shooting. almost like 9mm out of a full size, steel 1911. it just soaks up all the recoil and transitions target to target very fluidly.
i just got a RCS holster for it... wish it was longer as i got spoiled carrying a macro in an extra length JMCK. Hoping Tony adds it to his list of supported guns.
Playing card drill with the 365 Legion. Doing that thing where you shoot it cold once a week. Shot it SHO after that run but missed par by about .2
https://youtube.com/shorts/ef-D5DNlkjg?si=363pmC6HXn4_32Vb
G19Fan
02-09-2024, 07:58 PM
Playing card drill with the 365 Legion. Doing that thing where you shoot it cold once a week. Shot it SHO after that run but missed par by about .2
https://youtube.com/shorts/ef-D5DNlkjg?si=363pmC6HXn4_32Vb
I am going to try this with a normal.one!
I am going to try this with a normal.one!
Normal?
1911Nut
02-09-2024, 09:20 PM
In a review or two, they said the polymer was as soft, or softer than the AXG aluminum grip, and I wondered what you thought?
Don't mean to steal the "365" thread, but speaking of poly guns with soft recoil . . . .
I recently shot quite a few defensive 124 Gr. JHP 9mm rounds through a Sig P320 X-Compact, including a couple of +P loads.
My expectations were low, as my XL hands just barely fit on the grip of this pistol (stock grip, with 15-round magazines and stock base plates), and also because of the relatively light 25 ounce weight of the empty pistol.
I shot the pistol with the issue X-ray iron sights and no optic.
I was pleasantly surprised, to say the least. The pistol seemed to be almost oblivious to felt recoil, especially considering the light weight and compact size. Not certain what the feature was about this particular pistol that gave the impression of soft recoil with some pretty stout loads, but I suspect it might be the contours of the slightly rounded grip that seems to fit my hand like it was made for it. I have never previously shot a compact sized poly frame pistol that felt like such a "soft" shooter.
Even better, the pistol ran flawlessly, with nary a bobble and was very, very accurate, with all the ammo used. All shooting was done offhand at both 15 and 20 yards. This little pistol is a keeper.
Don't mean to steal the "365" thread, but speaking of poly guns with soft recoil . . . .
I recently shot quite a few defensive 124 Gr. JHP 9mm rounds through a Sig P320 X-Compact, including a couple of +P loads.
My expectations were low, as my XL hands just barely fit on the grip of this pistol (stock grip, with 15-round magazines and stock base plates), and also because of the relatively light 25 ounce weight of the empty pistol.
I shot the pistol with the issue X-ray iron sights and no optic.
I was pleasantly surprised, to say the least. The pistol seemed to be almost oblivious to felt recoil, especially considering the light weight and compact size. Not certain what the feature was about this particular pistol that gave the impression of soft recoil with some pretty stout loads, but I suspect it might be the contours of the slightly rounded grip that seems to fit my hand like it was made for it. I have never previously shot a compact sized poly frame pistol that felt like such a "soft" shooter.
Even better, the pistol ran flawlessly, with nary a bobble and was very, very accurate, with all the ammo used. All shooting was done offhand at both 15 and 20 yards. This little pistol is a keeper.
People freak out about bore axis, but a low bore axis gives you less flip and more push. The heavy slide and high bore axis of a 320, and a 226 for that matter, give more flip but a softer push.
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I have a Tac Ops which I haven’t been able to shoot yet. This photo intrigues me. On the right is my normal carry gun - a P320 fulls size cut to take compact magazines. It holds 15 rounds and is just long enough for me to get a full grip.
On the left is the X-Macro. Effectively the same length for a full grip but 17 rounds. Pretty sure the mag well is going to go. Hoping the trigger will clean up after live fire. It has a ton of nasty creep after you hit the wall.
John, reference the creep in the trigger. Shooting a 1911/2011 or DA/SA Sig, the trigger breaks cleanly after the wall, and if you prep beyond the wall there is a good chance of making a loud noise. With the 320/365, there can be significant creep beyond the wall. What works best for me, is to prep beyond the wall, and to practice that in dry fire, transitioning between targets and prepping, but not pulling the trigger further. Otherwise, if I only prep to the initial wall, I need to get beyond the creep at the cost of extra time or possible reduced accuracy.
G19Fan
02-12-2024, 05:55 PM
People freak out about bore axis, but a low bore axis gives you less flip and more push. The heavy slide and high bore axis of a 320, and a 226 for that matter, give more flip but a softer push.
I def prefer less flip and more push
I was zeroing a new optic at 50 yards on an AR, and figured I should shoot my main carry Macro at 50, since I was all set up. This is the pistol -- XL upper, Boresight module, EPS Carry 6, stock trigger.
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I shot leaned over a bench. This is my first five at 50 with 124 HST.
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Then I shot 124 Gold Dot. Hit about the same place but not quite as tight.
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I couldn't leave well enough alone, and went four clicks right. More HST.
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Came back one click left and called it good. Pulled one HST.
Photo of last 5 HST after final adjustment.
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Dave Williams
02-22-2024, 08:11 PM
Pretty capable pistol!
This weekend my wife and I shot a match that was repeated Saturday and Sunday. I decided to shoot the match Sunday with my Macro. Compared to my match with my dedicated LO gun, I ran the same time and was slightly worse on accuracy, with the result that my performance with the Macro was 90 something percent of my LO result. It was a great experience shooting the Macro six stages in a match, as opposed to just in practice, and was definitely a confidence builder as to the capability of the Macro.
https://youtu.be/ExV522LDFlA?feature=shared
I dragged a 320 X compact with an SCS on it out to the range today. Interestingly, I found the macro significantly easier to shoot, and I attribute that to the longer grip.
flyrodr
02-29-2024, 08:58 PM
I dragged a 320 X compact with an SCS on it out to the range today. Interestingly, I found the macro significantly easier to shoot, and I attribute that to the longer grip.
You are pushing me over the edge to reserve my old P365 for occasional use and replacing it with a Macro! (Which actually will solve another problem, i.e., I shoot the G26.5 better than the 365, but it just doesn't carry as well for me.)
Thanks . . . I think ;)
D-der
03-01-2024, 05:50 AM
You are pushing me over the edge to reserve my old P365 for occasional use and replacing it with a Macro! (Which actually will solve another problem, i.e., I shoot the G26.5 better than the 365, but it just doesn't carry as well for me.)
Thanks . . . I think ;)
Next thing you know, you'll have three or four 365's!
G19Fan
03-02-2024, 07:22 PM
Next thing you know, you'll have three or four 365's!
One of us one of us
G19Fan
03-02-2024, 07:23 PM
I dragged a 320 X compact with an SCS on it out to the range today. Interestingly, I found the macro significantly easier to shoot, and I attribute that to the longer grip.
I find the macro much easier to shoot than a p320
D-der
03-02-2024, 07:49 PM
Trying to talk myself out of #5....wtf
G19Fan
03-02-2024, 08:28 PM
Trying to talk myself out of #5....wtf
Bad idea bear is cheering for you
1More
03-06-2024, 08:28 PM
This weekend my wife and I shot a match that was repeated Saturday and Sunday. I decided to shoot the match Sunday with my Macro. Compared to my match with my dedicated LO gun, I ran the same time and was slightly worse on accuracy, with the result that my performance with the Macro was 90 something percent of my LO result. It was a great experience shooting the Macro six stages in a match, as opposed to just in practice, and was definitely a confidence builder as to the capability of the Macro.
https://youtu.be/ExV522LDFlA?feature=shared
How much tighter/different is your grip on draw with the Macro then with your 320 CO setup? Is it something you notice? I am asking as I review my difference in presenting my Macro versus my XCarry / Other larger guns. Watching you run the stages was educational. I noticed in one part, you looked like you were 'intense' on presentation...do you percieve that as your norm? I hate the smaller grip of the Macro but like everything else...and I hate my training deficiencies.
How much tighter/different is your grip on draw with the Macro then with your 320 CO setup? Is it something you notice? I am asking as I review my difference in presenting my Macro versus my XCarry / Other larger guns. Watching you run the stages was educational. I noticed in one part, you looked like you were 'intense' on presentation...do you percieve that as your norm? I hate the smaller grip of the Macro but like everything else...and I hate my training deficiencies.
With a lighter weight gun, you have to provide the structure in the form of grip and arm extension that a heavy gun might allow you to cheat on. When I do my part, the Macro shoots like a regular service pistol.
1More
03-07-2024, 09:11 AM
With a lighter weight gun, you have to provide the structure in the form of grip and arm extension that a heavy gun might allow you to cheat on. When I do my part, the Macro shoots like a regular service pistol.
The light bulb went on; I was misinterpreting what you were saying, ie, I was confusing the 'gun performs like a bigger gun' with 'the gun feels like a bigger gun'. Thought I was doing something wrong having to gorilla grip it like an ape to get the big gun performance. Clearly, that's just what I have to do compared to guns that give me more room and/or better shape to grab them. I shoot small guns ok, but this was bothering me.
Thanks for the confirmation and clarification...it helps.
I think I spend a good bit of shooting re-discovering the fundamentals still apply in slightly new ways.
D-der
03-10-2024, 06:15 AM
After shooting a WC module for a while, I put one of my XL's in an OE XMacro module for comparison, I'm thinking I prefer and shoot the OE better than the Wilson. I like the contour of the Wilson but the rounded front and back straps along with material texture make the grip feel slippery in my hand.
I've added 2 layers of Talon tape to the right side of the OE grip along with a 3rd layer of the granulated tape to fill the slight space I'd had and it doesn't go anywhere. I've got a 6moa dot with a comped barrel on the WC gun and ran a 2moa on this one so for a better comparison, I'll try a 6moa on this one next. I'm kind of surprised but, I'm carrying my new version for now.
I was shooting carbines today, and tried one group with five rounds of 124 HST +P at 50 yards with my main edc Macro.
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I was shooting carbines today, and tried one group with five rounds of 124 HST +P at 50 yards with my main edc Macro.
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Do you have any factory comp’d slides left or have you gotten rid of them all? I know you and others have described the accuracy difference in the 3.1 and 3.7 slides but I haven’t seen any posted pictures detailing it. If you wouldn’t mind, sometime maybe throw a handful of rounds downrange from a factory slide at like 20-25 and post the group?
Do you have any factory comp’d slides left or have you gotten rid of them all? I know you and others have described the accuracy difference in the 3.1 and 3.7 slides but I haven’t seen any posted pictures detailing it. If you wouldn’t mind, sometime maybe throw a handful of rounds downrange from a factory slide at like 20-25 and post the group?
I no longer have and 365 OEM ported uppers. Here is the original thread.
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?54848-365-Macro-accuracy-problem
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