Best for astigmatism

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I know its been discussed before, but tech improves Im interested in what is the current best red dot is for astigmatism.
I assume Ill need a small dot as Ill be shooting for groups.
Its going on a revolver so I assume picatinny I havent looked into that part yet.
I strongly prefer an American company.
I know I saw this discussed but now I cant find it.
I know HCM seemed to be up to date.

[okie john]

Tag.

I hear that etched reticles are the way for those of us with astigmatism.


Okie John

[Duelist]

Tag.

I hear that etched reticles are the way for those of us with astigmatism.


Okie John

Tagged, as I have no idea what is good in dots for astigmatism, and so far, they just frustrate me with starbursts.

[HCM]

I know its been discussed before, but tech improves Im interested in what is the current best red dot is for astigmatism.
I assume Ill need a small dot as Ill be shooting for groups.
Its going on a revolver so I assume picatinny I havent looked into that part yet.
I strongly prefer an American company.
I know I saw this discussed but now I cant find it.
I know HCM seemed to be up to date.

For pistols ?

Depends on the astigmatism.

Some prefer small dots, some prefer green dots.

Personally, I find even different models within the same brand can look better or worse.

For example, most SIG optics such as the Romeo1PRO look fine to me but the Romeo 2 starbursts for me.

However, it’s also been my experience that some of the issues attributed to a stigmatism are actually people looking at the dot or running it too brightly.

[TGS]

Derp. Entry deleted.

Missed that it's for a revolver.

[Clusterfrack]

I have a moderate astigmatism in my right eye that makes dots have a distortion line. I ignore it and I don’t think it makes a difference for any size of target I shoot. Centering the brightest, most dense part of the dot works well for me.

Rifle reticles have a ghost image as a result of the astigmatism. Again, I just work around it.

The Holosun circle reticles are the least affected, but I still prefer the plain dot.

[YVK]

I don't know what optic can go on a Pic rail.
Astigmatism: mine is bad enough that I can't shoot groups unless I wear corrective glasses. What I see without them is a spiderweb. I don't know if folks who replied above implied a corrected or uncorrected vision. For me, wearing my correction glasses, time and time again the RMR has been the best, followed by SRO. I don't use my Acro enough to have a full opinion. Holosun has consistently been the worst across multiple models, especially the EPS Carry. Small groups shooting at longer distance indoors is when I perceive it more.

[Oldherkpilot]

This may be well known but I was surprised at how well it worked. A fellow I shoot informal bullseye with uses an optical device on his glasses to correct the dot distortion. Its a stick-on aperture with a 1/16" hole. It works wonders for me. I find that 3 MOA dots and larger don't distort too much for my eyes but the aperture improves all sizes. It also allows me to see my iron sights again, which was the original intent of such devices back in the day.
The Merit Optical Device is a mechanical version of the aperture, though its out of production.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1015167397?pid=978528

The Lyman Eyepal is more or less what my friend came up with. Its available on eBay.

https://www.lymanproducts.com/eyepalr

[Jay585]

The Holosun 507k with the dot and circle reticle gave me the crispest dot in all light settings.

But now I use an RMR with a 3.25 dot and manual adjust brightness. The brighter it is outside, the more crisp the dot for me. At low light it becomes a starburst, but dimming the dot helps.

I used to obsess over the crispness of a dot, but I've since learned that for me it doesn't make a huge difference. I manage to shoot low to mid 90's at 25 yards using cheap brass 9mm on a "super B8 (https://www.jbstraininggroup.com/targets)" and shot 100 6x using Federal HST https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?12244-Freestyle-shooting-at-25-yds-revisited&p=1320394#post1320394

EDIT:

Whatever sight you go with, go with manual adjust brightness.

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My vision is not the best. Cataracts in both but not severe enough for insurance to cover. Astigmatism usually ellicits a comment at eye exam. Maybe Ill just pull the sled ride off the ruger. Heres my new girl. 29-5
113652 Ammo from Lost River inbound.

[Lost River]

My vision is not the best. Cataracts in both but not severe enough for insurance to cover. Astigmatism usually ellicits a comment at eye exam. Maybe Ill just pull the sled ride off the ruger. Heres my new girl. 29-5
113652 Ammo from Lost River inbound.

That 5" Model 29!

Did we just become best friends?!!



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Im shamelessly LARPing as Lost River and Malamute
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[Malamute]

I had an older Leupold M8 2x pistol scope laying around waiting for its proper home, I put it on dads 617 and am very happy with it. The crosshair is sharp, dots, not so much for me. I foresee more such pistol scopes in my future, particularly for longer range shooting, which is about 99.75% of my use compared to average.

There exist non-piccatiny mounts for dots, such as Lost River has on his gun. I dont recall the maker.

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I had an older Leupold M8 2x pistol scope laying around waiting for its proper home, I put it on dads 617 and am very happy with it. The crosshair is sharp, dots, not so much for me. I foresee more such pistol scopes in my future, particularly for longer range shooting, which is about 99.75% of my use compared to average.

There exist non-piccatiny mounts for dots, such as Lost River has on his gun. I dont recall the maker.

I think Id prefer that to a dot

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I had an older Leupold M8 2x pistol scope laying around waiting for its proper home, I put it on dads 617 and am very happy with it. The crosshair is sharp, dots, not so much for me. I foresee more such pistol scopes in my future, particularly for longer range shooting, which is about 99.75% of my use compared to average.

There exist non-piccatiny mounts for dots, such as Lost River has on his gun. I dont recall the maker.

They have a 2.5 https://www.leupold.com/vx-3-handgun-25-8x32-duplex-riflescope

[Malamute]

I think Id prefer that to a dot

It takes a bit of getting used to, but once you adjust to how it suddenly appears once lined up, it doesnt bother me. its not as action oriented, but with some use may be workable for running rabbits and such, time will tell. Its a HUGE improvement in mechanical shooting ability for me in group size. I already want several more.

[Malamute]

They have a 2.5 https://www.leupold.com/vx-3-handgun-25-8x32-duplex-riflescope

Wowza! I guess thats the current offering. I tend towards older stuff (I'm cheap and somewhat luddite). I had this particular scope for maybe 20 years waiting for something I wanted to use it on. Ebay and gunbroker have pre-owned M8 2x's for around $200-ish give or take a little. An xp100 is probably able to make good use of more magnification, but the 2x may be enough for most of what Im going to do. Will have to see when Im able to shoot it at 2-300 yards or so.

[WobblyPossum]

Astigmatisms are pretty individual things. Small dots such as 2-3 MOA appear misshapen to me. Large dots such as 5-6 MOA look nice and crisp and circular. My brother’s vision is the opposite. Small dots look crisper for him.

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Wowza! I guess thats the current offering. I tend towards older stuff (I'm cheap and somewhat luddite). I had this particular scope for maybe 20 years waiting for something I wanted to use it on. Ebay and gunbroker have pre-owned M8 2x's for around $200-ish give or take a little. An xp100 is probably able to make good use of more magnification, but the 2x may be enough for most of what Im going to do. Will have to see when Im able to shoot it at 2-300 yards or so.

Thats stretching it out there. The new Leuopold model is longer than the revolver I think. Im still undecided Ill probably agonize over this for a few days before I decide. I can see the merit of both sighting systems.
Thanks for the input I know I can always count on you to stretch my gun dollars to the max.

[Malamute]

Thats stretching it out there. The new Leuopold model is longer than the revolver I think. Im still undecided Ill probably agonize over this for a few days before I decide. I can see the merit of both sighting systems.
Thanks for the input I know I can always count on you to stretch my gun dollars to the max.


Glad to be of assistance! If I can't afford something surely I know somebody that can. :D


I guess thats one of the things I like about the older M8 2X is they are relatively compact and clean looking, besides fitting my budget better.

I'm pretty sure when I found that scope used at a gun show 20-some years ago my thought process was more in line with "Hey, I think that would make a fair scout type scope! Who the hell would every put a scope on a real pistol?"

[TearlessTom]

You are correct an Etched recital will give you the least amount of distortion. This is largely because the light is being projected away from your eye rather than toward it. Holosun has a reputation of having better glass when it comes to distortion and astigmatism. Green is normally better for most people than Red. And turning the brightness down for me always helps to decrease the flares.

I recently had cataract surgery which helped with my astigmatism. It didn't fix it completely but it did help. Now I have to take my reading glasses off to not get the light flares.

[Erick Gelhaus]

I have two astigmatisms. Yes, they keep me from seeing a "perfect" dot in most cases. However, I'm not focusing or fixating on the dot. When I look at Aimpoint T1/T2/etc., I see two semi-colons on their sides. When I look at Acros or similar dots, I see a flaming grenade or bowling ball.

The Holosun multiple reticles let me use the open circle; it's probably the most consistent. Steiner's MPS is likely the cleanest single dot for my eyes. Apex Tactical makes a revolver mount for the Acro footprint, hence the Steiner recommendation.

Vortex has put this out:

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[TearlessTom]

I have two astigmatisms. Yes, they keep me from seeing a "perfect" dot in most cases. However, I'm not focusing or fixating on the dot. When I look at Aimpoint T1/T2/etc., I see two semi-colons on their sides. When I look at Acros or similar dots, I see a flaming grenade or bowling ball.

The Holosun multiple reticles let me use the open circle; it's probably the most consistent. Steiner's MPS is likely the cleanest single dot for my eyes. Apex Tactical makes a revolver mount for the Acro footprint, hence the Steiner recommendation.

Vortex has put this out:

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I get the 2nd variations, it looks like the Windows busy wheel. The Circle Dot works well for me. And the Circle with Hash marks at 12,3,6,&9 and center dot work the best although it can be a bit busy.

[Rex G]

Subscribed. Astigmatism is my nemesis, with most dot sights. Corrected or uncorrected. The Trijicon green triangle worked well, in my case, but only in appropriate lighting conditions; not best for general handgun use. The ACRO seems to be the best of the pistol-sized red dots that I have tried, but, during the Panic-Demic supply crunch, I gave up on finding those very special batteries that the P-1 requires, so, I shelved the whole idea of dotted guns, mothballing my milled G45 upper, with its ACRO P-1. Only recently have I resurrected this red dot pistol thing, and see that Amazon now has Renata batteries available.

[Simong]

I'm dealing with Astigmatism since I can remember myself, anyway I recently discover something interesting that works perfect for ME.
I purchased the EPS carry 6.0-MOA, turning the intensity of the dot down to #2-3 brightness setting I can actually see a perfect ROUND dot.
YMMV

Good luck

Simong.

[JHC]

I know its been discussed before, but tech improves Im interested in what is the current best red dot is for astigmatism.
I assume Ill need a small dot as Ill be shooting for groups.
Its going on a revolver so I assume picatinny I havent looked into that part yet.
I strongly prefer an American company.
I know I saw this discussed but now I cant find it.
I know HCM seemed to be up to date.

I'm told my astigmatism is mild but in any case, it renders every product I've looked through from Aimpoint awful and un-usable to me. Like the Comp M4 on a carbine dot looking like a 12 MOA banana at 100. My son's Micro, same deal.

But I've got two Holosuns, a 407CO and an EPS and they're crisp and wonderful.

[Simong]

I'm dealing with Astigmatism since I can remember myself, anyway I recently discover something interesting that works perfect for ME.
I purchased the EPS carry 6.0-MOA, turning the intensity of the dot down to #2-3 brightness setting I can actually see a perfect ROUND dot.
YMMV

Good luck

Simong.

BTW, I get the same results with my Trijicon SRO 5.0 MOA dialed down to #2-3 brightness setting = PERFECT round dot.

[DDTSGM]

I think it is key to remember that astigmatism is different for everyone. Aside from the advice that etched reticle optics almost universally eliminate distortions, there is no absolute advice.

In my case I need to run the dot fairly low based on lighting conditions, and green works better than red. The trade off, for me anyways, is speed of acquiring the dimmer dot.

When I'm less interested in hitting a 4 inch bull at 25 or 50 yards, I can dial up the dot and generally get the job done under tighter time constraints.

Big dots also work better, but aren't as precise. A 6moa dot at 50 yards is 3 inches on a four-inch bull, given my 'shakes' that's too slow.

That's just me, YMMV.

[Simong]

I think it is key to remember that astigmatism is different for everyone. Aside from the advice that etched reticle optics almost universally eliminate distortions, there is no absolute advice.

In my case I need to run the dot fairly low based on lighting conditions, and green works better than red. The trade off, for me anyways, is speed of acquiring the dimmer dot.

When I'm less interested in hitting a 4 inch bull at 25 or 50 yards, I can dial up the dot and generally get the job done under tighter time constraints.

Big dots also work better, but aren't as precise. A 6moa dot at 50 yards is 3 inches on a four-inch bull, given my 'shakes' that's too slow.

That's just me, YMMV.


Yes agreed Astigmatism can be different for everyone.

Red works better for ME & I really like the Green color dot, but for me it starburst, unless I use a magnifier (on rifle) & I can see good round dot.

Regarding speed I'm TARGET focused & not dot focused so setting the RDS on lower brightens helps ME more with being target focused.

Big dots 5.0 & 6.0 for ME are ONLY for handguns use, on my rifles I got 2.0 MOA dots on lower brightness setting and it works very good for me.
Just took a Sig academy mid-range carbine course last week and I learned how to be able to get good combat hits to 300 yards with just a Red dot,
yes obviously with a 3x magnifier it's easier to hit at long range.

Simong.