Talk me out of a PDP Pro

[RDT806]

Hello everyone. I have a dilemma and thought maybe I could get some guidance here. Im a long time Glock guy and I love them if they are setup the way I like them. I can shoots Glocks well and have always had great luck with them. I mad the switch to red dots a while back and I prefer them. However I feel like I have to work a little harder to stay proficient with my Glocks when I have dots on them. I also have a Staccato P with a dot and I feel like I just dont have to work as hard to pick that gun up and run it with the dot.

Im thinking this is a grip angle thing. Its the presentation from the holster that seems to make the difference. Obviously this is a training issue and could be fixed. But curiosity has me thinking. Id kind of like to try another striker gun with a non Glock grip angle and just see how it goes. Unfortunately I dont have access to one to try. My main shooting buddy moved away.

So Im considering picking up either a PDP Pro or maybe a M&P 2.0 and throwing one of my dots on it and trying it for a couple of months. I have a red dot class in April and would like to have my kit nailed down before then. I was leaning towards a PDP but kept reading about how snappy that gun is. Also read a couple of reports about M&P 2.0s having questionable accuracy past 15 yards. I know this forum is full of guys that actually shoot and train so I came here for some opinions. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.

[GJM]

Both are fine alternatives to the Glock, that will point more like your 2011. The PDP will likely have a better trigger and be more accurate than the M&P. You should handle a PDP and see how the beaver tail feels in your hands. The flat of the beaver tail on the left side of the PDP whacks the base of my strong hand thumb. I have dremeled it and that helps but is still not ideal for me. If you like the Glocks except for their grip angle, you could get a Shadow Systems lower, install the 1911 angle back strap and run that with a Glock upper. I just did that and it points like an Sig now.

[RDT806]

Both are fine alternatives to the Glock, that will point more like your 2011. The PDP will likely have a better trigger and be more accurate than the M&P. You should handle a PDP and see how the beaver tail feels in your hands. The flat of the beaver tail on the left side of the PDP whacks the base of my strong hand thumb. I have dremeled it and that helps but is still not ideal for me. If you like the Glocks except for their grip angle, you could get a Shadow Systems lower, install the 1911 angle back strap and run that with a Glock upper. I just did that and it points like an Sig now.

Is the PDP has hardh recoiling as some people say?

[GJM]

Is the PDP has hardh recoiling as some people say?

It feels more abrupt but the flip side is it cycles fast. A Glock feels way softer. You buy a PDP for its trigger, and how it points, and you live with the recoil.

[RDT806]

It feels more abrupt but the flip side is it cycles fast. A Glock feels way softer. You buy a PDP for its trigger, and how it points, and you live with the recoil.

Yeah that’s kind of the consensus Ive seen. Not sure how much it would bother me.

[GJM]

Yeah that’s kind of the consensus Ive seen. Not sure how much it would bother me.

If you are willing to step up to a five inch PDP, that shoots softer than the shorter ones, and is more like a Glock. Walther has announced a polymer five inch with the Dynamic Performance trigger that is an attractive offering.

[Brianjkeene]

Hello everyone. I have a dilemma and thought maybe I could get some guidance here. Im a long time Glock guy and I love them if they are setup the way I like them. I can shoots Glocks well and have always had great luck with them. I mad the switch to red dots a while back and I prefer them. However I feel like I have to work a little harder to stay proficient with my Glocks when I have dots on them. I also have a Staccato P with a dot and I feel like I just dont have to work as hard to pick that gun up and run it with the dot.

Im thinking this is a grip angle thing. Its the presentation from the holster that seems to make the difference. Obviously this is a training issue and could be fixed. But curiosity has me thinking. Id kind of like to try another striker gun with a non Glock grip angle and just see how it goes. Unfortunately I dont have access to one to try. My main shooting buddy moved away.

So Im considering picking up either a PDP Pro or maybe a M&P 2.0 and throwing one of my dots on it and trying it for a couple of months. I have a red dot class in April and would like to have my kit nailed down before then. I was leaning towards a PDP but kept reading about how snappy that gun is. Also read a couple of reports about M&P 2.0s having questionable accuracy past 15 yards. I know this forum is full of guys that actually shoot and train so I came here for some opinions. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.


I would lump the P10c and Echelon into your considerations as well.

[RDT806]

I would lump the P10c and Echelon into your considerations as well.

Yes the Echelon is definitely on the list also. I had a P10c. It wasnt optics ready. The controls were unusable. But I hear they have fixed that. The grip texture is horrible IMHO. So Id have to get it stippled. That one thing I like about the PDP, M&P and Echelon. The grip is great out of the box. Plus the Echelon optics system is really cool.

[HCM]

Hello everyone. I have a dilemma and thought maybe I could get some guidance here. Im a long time Glock guy and I love them if they are setup the way I like them. I can shoots Glocks well and have always had great luck with them. I mad the switch to red dots a while back and I prefer them. However I feel like I have to work a little harder to stay proficient with my Glocks when I have dots on them. I also have a Staccato P with a dot and I feel like I just dont have to work as hard to pick that gun up and run it with the dot.

Im thinking this is a grip angle thing. Its the presentation from the holster that seems to make the difference. Obviously this is a training issue and could be fixed. But curiosity has me thinking. Id kind of like to try another striker gun with a non Glock grip angle and just see how it goes. Unfortunately I dont have access to one to try. My main shooting buddy moved away.

So Im considering picking up either a PDP Pro or maybe a M&P 2.0 and throwing one of my dots on it and trying it for a couple of months. I have a red dot class in April and would like to have my kit nailed down before then. I was leaning towards a PDP but kept reading about how snappy that gun is. Also read a couple of reports about M&P 2.0s having questionable accuracy past 15 yards. I know this forum is full of guys that actually shoot and train so I came here for some opinions. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.

Re: snappiness


The PDP comes with an 18lb recoil spring. It’s noticeably over sprung and benefits greatly from swapping that for a 13 or 15lb spring.

I’ve had good luck with the ZR Tactical RSA offerings.

[Archer1440]

Plus the Echelon optics system is really cool.

Did not perform adequately in Aaron Cowan’s testing. He opined that it is inadequate for impacts and needs a proper plate system.

[RDT806]

Re: snappiness


The PDP comes with an 18lb recoil spring. It’s noticeably over sprung and benefits greatly from swapping that for a 13 or 15lb spring.

I’ve had good luck with the ZR Tactical RSA offerings.

Yeah Ive seen that too. I just ordered an OD Green Pro. So hoping I like it.

[RDT806]

Did not perform adequately in Aaron Cowan’s testing. He opined that it is inadequate for impacts and needs a proper plate system.

Yeah I actually just read a post about that. I order an OD Green PDP Pro. Hoping I like.

[Virtuosity Student]

+1 on the CZ P10 series. You can find OR versions for around $400 mark. The non-OR models are in the low threes. A inexpensive way to try something new. Shot a M&P 2.0 Compact back to back with a P-10 C. Much preferred the P-10 C over my carry 2.0. In fact, I was taking private shooting lessons with the M&P and really struggled past 15 yards to make good hits. Broke out the CZ once it was acquired and I beat my instructor on a dueling tree at 25. Beginners luck/new gun syndrome? IDK.

CZ also discounted the mag prices for these to under $30 each. That’s close to Glock mag prices for metal mags.

[Dave T]

OK, here goes.

Don't buy a PDP Pro!

How's that? (smiley face goes here)

Dave

PS: Don't do what you hear on the internet. Make your own decisions.

[KevH]

You shoot a Staccato P better than a Glock because of the excellent single action trigger, minimal recoil, and it is just a very easy gun to shoot.

What you give up the Staccato is size/bulk, price and complexity compared to a Glock. A Glock can be shot just as well, but you have to work for it. What you get with the Glock is a cheap, lightweight, fairly slim package, with extreme simplicity. They just work and are by far the most efficient gun on the market. Every vendor makes holsters and accessories for them.

Why not a PDP? It's your money and if you want to play with different guns have at it. The PDP is more complex than the Glock, is more limited for aftermarket and factory support, but has a nicer trigger out of the box.

In all honesty, all plastic 9mm striker fired guns shoot about the same. You can put together a whole table of them to pickup and try, but when it comes down to it there are more similarities than there are differences.

I own a whole safe full of guns and can't see to get away from Glocks. They just work.

[HCM]

Yeah Ive seen that too. I just ordered an OD Green Pro. So hoping I like it.

Try lighter springs before you give up on it.

[DMF13]

Did not perform adequately in Aaron Cowan’s testing. He opined that it is inadequate for impacts and needs a proper plate system.I'm assuming this info is only on his Patreon page, as I can only find his 1000 test on YouTube, and his impressions then were favorable.

Also, has only tested the original "Gen 1" optic cut, or has he evaluated the "Gen 2?"

https://waltherarms.com/blog/walther-pdp-optic-plate-mounting-system-2

https://waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/WaltherOpticMountNextGen.jpg

[RDT806]

Try lighter springs before you give up on it.

Yes for sure! About to order some

[HCM]

I'm assuming this info is only on his Patreon page, as I can only find his 1000 test on YouTube, and his impressions then were favorable.

Also, has only tested the original "Gen 1" optic cut, or has he evaluated the "Gen 2?"

https://waltherarms.com/blog/walther-pdp-optic-plate-mounting-system-2

https://waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/WaltherOpticMountNextGen.jpg

You’re right about the PDP optics plate upgrade and I know the thread is about the PDP but I think the context plate comment re SAGE was part of the side discussion about the Springfield Echelon ?

I initially thought the same thing you did until I reread.

[Archer1440]

I'm assuming this info is only on his Patreon page, as I can only find his 1000 test on YouTube, and his impressions then were favorable.

Also, has only tested the original "Gen 1" optic cut, or has he evaluated the "Gen 2?"

https://waltherarms.com/blog/walther-pdp-optic-plate-mounting-system-2

https://waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/WaltherOpticMountNextGen.jpg

Sorry for the confusion, I was responding to a comment about the SA Echelon system.

[GJM]

Sorry for the confusion, I was responding to a comment about the SA Echelon system.

Yes, it was reference the Echelon. The PDP 2.0 and the FN 509/510/545 strike me as having the best factory optic mounting systems out there.

[G19Fan]

Hello everyone. I have a dilemma and thought maybe I could get some guidance here. Im a long time Glock guy and I love them if they are setup the way I like them. I can shoots Glocks well and have always had great luck with them. I mad the switch to red dots a while back and I prefer them. However I feel like I have to work a little harder to stay proficient with my Glocks when I have dots on them. I also have a Staccato P with a dot and I feel like I just dont have to work as hard to pick that gun up and run it with the dot.

Im thinking this is a grip angle thing. Its the presentation from the holster that seems to make the difference. Obviously this is a training issue and could be fixed. But curiosity has me thinking. Id kind of like to try another striker gun with a non Glock grip angle and just see how it goes. Unfortunately I dont have access to one to try. My main shooting buddy moved away.

So Im considering picking up either a PDP Pro or maybe a M&P 2.0 and throwing one of my dots on it and trying it for a couple of months. I have a red dot class in April and would like to have my kit nailed down before then. I was leaning towards a PDP but kept reading about how snappy that gun is. Also read a couple of reports about M&P 2.0s having questionable accuracy past 15 yards. I know this forum is full of guys that actually shoot and train so I came here for some opinions. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.

Mp2.0 is a mighty fine system