Sig P series -- DA/SA vs SAO

[GJM]

So far, I really like my 229 SAO. When the SAO pistols first came out, I was pretty skeptical as DA/SA was "the" system for P series Sig pistols. After years of shooting a striker, the SAO trigger feels like a good striker trigger plus a thumb safety and hammer. After competing with a 2011 for 18 months, a thumb safety feels more natural than a 9 pound first trigger pull with a decocker near where I am used to putting my thumbs. The SAO feels natural now -- like a more carry worthy 2011 to me.

What are others thinking about the SAO P series pistols?

[TheNewbie]

I’ve never handled one, but from the pictures, the safety looks really well done.

[Jim Watson]

I like most things about the P-SAO and was on the verge of buying a P226 SAO. The substitution of the from-frou Legion for the plain Elite SAO was annoying, but the thing that stopped me was the slide release, minuscule size, odd location. If you don't shoot to slide lock or if you are in the habit of yanking the slide to close, that will not be a factor, but my long years in 1911 and my IDPA shooting with frequent slide locks made it a liability.

[dmiculek]

As long time 1911/2011 shooter, I really like the SAO I have both a 226 and a 229. I am looking forward to shooting them both in local outlaw and IDPA style matches. The 226 I sent to Sig Armorer for trigger work, the 229 was great out the box.
I also have both models in DA/SA.

[bofe954]

My thoughts mostly echo yours. I am shooting 2011's in competition again and wouldn't mind something more similar to carry. Not that interested in finding a 2011 to carry due to cost and maintenance.

I wonder if they (92XI and the sigs) aren't coming to market in response to law enforcement's apparent embrace of Staccato.

The only thing holding me back from trying a 229 is that I feel like the new wave of compacts has kind of made these medium sized guns seem enormous for carry. I'm sure I could shoot better with the 229 than my P365XL, but goddamn that 365 is easy to carry, relatively inexpensive and it isn't torture to shoot like a J frame is to me.

Doesn't seem worth all the hassle to get 2-3 rounds more.

[JCN]

My thoughts mostly echo yours. I am shooting 2011's in competition again and wouldn't mind something more similar to carry. Not that interested in finding a 2011 to carry due to cost and maintenance.

I wonder if they (92XI and the sigs) aren't coming to market in response to law enforcement's apparent embrace of Staccato.

The only thing holding me back from trying a 229 is that I feel like the new wave of compacts has kind of made these medium sized guns seem enormous for carry. I'm sure I could shoot better with the 229 than my P365XL, but goddamn that 365 is easy to carry, relatively inexpensive and it isn't torture to shoot like a J frame is to me.

Doesn't seem worth all the hassle to get 2-3 rounds more.

The Wilson Combats like the SFX and EDC X9s IMO would be a better choice for you than the 229s. It’s more the shoot ability over the capacity (vs P365/XL/macro). For most people, the extra shoot ability isn’t worth the extra bulk (myself included) for carry.

The 229s are still chunky bricks. They’re solid guns but I still tend to prefer CZs both DASA and cocked and locked, they’re a little more svelte.

CZs can have an ergonomic challenge with safety hinge location that doesn’t work for some people, but I find the single action on a CZ can be less spongy than a P SAO.

[Sensei]

I give a nudge to the SAO Sigs. While the DA/SA have a long track record of duty and military use, the SAO guns more closely resemble a striker trigger for those floating between hammer and striker worlds. Keep in mind that the DA/SA platform is far less forgiving than say Beretta or HK when it comes to lightening that DA pull down from the factory 10-12 lbs. While I can get a Beretta 92’s DA trigger pull down to 7-8 lbs with a Langdon TJIAB and still reliably ignite ammo, the same cannot be said for a Sig P-series DA pull that is stuck in the 9-10lb range to still reliably ignite all primers. Yes, the P-series guns have amazing reset when equipped with the SRT, but that 9lbs DA trigger pull requires several boxes of extra ammo and hours of dry fire to reset my muscle memory every time I start to play with a Glock or VP9. Thus, I’ve been shooting my SAO Legions far more frequently than my legacy DA/SA pistols.

[GJM]

I give a nudge to the SAO Sigs. While the DA/SA have a long track record of duty and military use, the SAO guns more closely resemble a striker trigger for those floating between hammer and striker worlds. Keep in mind that the DA/SA platform is far less forgiving than say Beretta or HK when it comes to lightening that DA pull down from the factory 10-12 lbs. While I can get a Beretta 92’s DA trigger pull down to 7-8 lbs with a Langdon TJIAB and still reliably ignite ammo, the same cannot be said for a Sig P-series DA pull that is stuck in the 9-10lb range to still reliably ignite all primers. Yes, the P-series guns have amazing reset when equipped with the SRT, but that 9lbs DA trigger pull requires several boxes of extra ammo and hours of dry fire to reset my muscle memory every time I start to play with a Glock or VP9. Thus, I’ve been shooting my SAO Legions far more frequently than my legacy DA/SA pistols.

In years past, you had three main semi auto food groups -- the 1911/BHP, strikers and metal DA/SA service pistols. A DA first press was the price to get that excellent SA trigger. Things have changed, and now we have carry-able 2011 and similar SA pistols like the Wilson offerings, better striker triggers, and SAO or SA carry-able guns like the P series SAO. It almost feels like the traditional DA/SA pistols are more the outlier than mainstream these days.

[Jim Watson]

I got on pretty well with a GGI tuned P226 DA/SA for IDPA SSP except for that teeny slide release. So I retired it to home defense where 18 ought to be enough, or at least enough to confuse matters while I fetched a rifle or shotgun; and went back to 1911 ESP.

[Maca]

We should probably also add HK (not VP9) to the list, as out of the box they can be carried condition 1.

[MVS]

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A friend was buying this yesterday at the LGS when I was buying the 365 Legion. It feels great in the hand, the trigger is good but I would say not good on the same level as my 2011. The safety is very stiff but I am sure that will work in over time. The one thing that struck he and I was the placement of the slide release lever and the safety right on top of each other. He will either have to manually release the slide, or use the old 1911 support hand method to use the slide release. Obviously not too many people would be carrying this beast.

[Navin Johnson]

Had a SAO p220. Tank compared to a Commander (especially with slim grips). Punt

I think The P series has the best (DAO) trigger out the box of any TDA (at least that I have tried) I always treated both trigger pulls the same so I never thought Sig P’s were any kind of handicap. They are just tanks to carry (wished I kept my 239)

With modern slim lines it is hard to carry a 19 let alone a 229 (for me)

Is this thread about competition or carry BTW?

[Sensei]

In years past, you had three main semi auto food groups -- the 1911/BHP, strikers and metal DA/SA service pistols. A DA first press was the price to get that excellent SA trigger. Things have changed, and now we have carry-able 2011 and similar SA pistols like the Wilson offerings, better striker triggers, and SAO or SA carry-able guns like the P series SAO. It almost feels like the traditional DA/SA pistols are more the outlier than mainstream these days.

Agreed. The niche is shrinking for SA/DA guns. Personally, I think that Sig’s SAO offerings are the evolution that has kept the legacy P-series alive.

Having said that, I will still use them when carrying AIWB due to the ability to thumb the hammer. There are some of us willing to carry the SAO gun in AIWB (the MCP joint of my trigger finger drives the safety up to the “on” position while my thumb rides the hammer and my thenar eminence stays off any grip safety while re-holstering), some people are not cool with this and will only carry AIWB a striker gun with a SCD or a SA/DA gun. I get that and think that AIWB has kept SA/DA alive albeit on life support.

[JonInWA]

I'm too skeptical regarding SIG's quality control and component material qualities to be willing to venture into any of their current offerings other than a 2022-which has presumably been unmolested due to French police contract quality and material specifications.

SIG's historical lack of transparency when issues arise is also an ongoing concern for me.

All that said, their P-Series SAOs look good, but personally I'll be sticking with Glock, HK, FN (High Power), Beretta, and my Ruger P89 DA/SA...But again, a la your experimentation with current FN platforms, I'll let you be the beta tester, George, and I'll vicariously enjoy...

The only SIGs in my inventory are my Second Generation GSR (which has been reworked by the SIG Custom Shop and has significant BH Spring Solutions components and the SFS system) and my M400 Tread.

At the end of the JonInWA day, a platform must be both intrinsically good, reliable, trustworthy, and have viable aftermarket backing by a manufacturer.

Best, Jon

[JSGlock34]

It almost feels like the traditional DA/SA pistols are more the outlier than mainstream these days.

This forum has always been a bastion for TDA aficionados - the influence of Todd and Langdon and a few others. But DA/SA hasn't been mainstream for a long time...

[jlw]

This forum has always been a bastion for TDA aficionados - the influence of Todd and Langdon and a few others. But DA/SA hasn't been mainstream for a long time...

This.

Plus, one recurring theme I see in training is people buying TDA because they have been told it's safer for AIWB or because its the latest hipster purchase, but they have not habituated de-cocking. I see them holstering a cocked but NOT locked pistol.

EVERY time the muzzle comes off target one should de-cock.

ETA: I also contend that the safety on a SAO pistol be engaged whenever the muzzle is off target.

[JonInWA]

Double post-sorry guys.

[JonInWA]

This forum has always been a bastion for TDA aficionados - the influence of Todd and Langdon and a few others. But DA/SA hasn't been mainstream for a long time...

For me personally, it's been DA/SA versus DAO/LEM, and then striker-fired, and then SA only.

Again, for me personally, things often devolve into which individual gun/platform works best for me. Theoretically, I should be better with my P30L with V1.5 LEM than I am with my venerable Ruger P89 DA/SA, but the opposite seems to be true...

Best, Jon

[TOTS]

So far, I really like my 229 SAO. When the SAO pistols first came out, I was pretty skeptical as DA/SA was "the" system for P series Sig pistols. After years of shooting a striker, the SAO trigger feels like a good striker trigger plus a thumb safety and hammer. After competing with a 2011 for 18 months, a thumb safety feels more natural than a 9 pound first trigger pull with a decocker near where I am used to putting my thumbs. The SAO feels natural now -- like a more carry worthy 2011 to me.

What are others thinking about the SAO P series pistols?
When the 2011 trend started, I believe I posted that the SAO 226 was the first reliable 2011. Pretty much still my thoughts.

I started shooting with a 90s 226 and bought a 229 in .40 for my first gun and only let it go to replace it with a 9mm version. Then fell in love with 1911s. Although Ive moved on, I think my 229 is one I’ll never get rid of. While the 365 is the best choice for me to carry, I think a SAO classic P-series sounds like blending my two (pistol) loves. It was a thing to carry the 229 and range the 1911s so I definitely get the issues you describe with the controls. I only shot those two ecosystems, and so, made it work- but a SAO would have been better.

Additionally, even after an action job and lightening the springs, etc, it never approached the goodness of the Langdon TJIAB we dropped in a friend’s M9. Pissed me off.

[CCT125US]

Theoretically, I should be better with my P30L with V1.5 LEM than I am with my venerable Ruger P89 DA/SA, but the opposite seems to be true...

I can understand that.

[GJM]

My interest in the P229 SAO is as a carry gun, that has a grip angle and trigger action like the AXG based 320 I am competing with, and the 365 Macro I am carrying.

The optics ready P229 allows me to run the optics I like, has a trigger pull that is satisfactory out of the box and suitable for carry, is very soft shooting with +P ammo, has reliable and readily available MecGar 10, 15 and 17 round mags, and has a chunky, blocky feel that draws well from AIWB and handles recoil well. The ambi thumb safety design is the best thumb safety I have used on a carry pistol. It is essentially Glock 19 size which is a size I like. I am curious as to whether it feeds heavy hard cast loads, and plan to do some testing of the Underwood 147 hard cast load.

To JLW's point, I think the risk of the DA being in SA at the wrong time is every bit as great as the thumb safety coming off inadvertently. Even if off safe, the 229 SAO trigger isn't much different than the strikers I shoot. Now if I shot a DA/SA with a decocker as a competition gun, I might feel differently.

As to Sig reliability and quality issues, I have Rattlers, 365's and 320 based competition guns, and they just run. I bought my first P226 at the height of the terrible Cohen days against the herd recommendation. I stopped counting at 11,000 rounds or so without a stoppage or issue, and with only a half dozen quick cleanings.

[JonInWA]

When the 2011 trend started, I believe I posted that the SAO 226 was the first reliable 2011. Pretty much still my thoughts.

I started shooting with a 90s 226 and bought a 229 in .40 for my first gun and only let it go to replace it with a 9mm version. Then fell in love with 1911s. Although Ive moved on, I think my 229 is one I’ll never get rid of. While the 365 is the best choice for me to carry, I think a SAO classic P-series sounds like blending my two (pistol) loves. It was a thing to carry the 229 and range the 1911s so I definitely get the issues you describe with the controls. I only shot those two ecosystems, and so, made it work- but a SAO would have been better.

Additionally, even after an action job and lightening the springs, etc, it never approached the goodness of the Langdon TJIAB we dropped in a friend’s M9. Pissed me off.

While I just haven't shot my Beretta 92D much this year, it's very much an appreciated pistol in the stable. Wilson/Langdon components, Langdon/VZ ultra slim grips, ToolTech/Trijicon sights, Check-Mate magazines, etc. Best, Jon

[fatdog]

This is gonna cost me money next year.

[shane45]

Im not put off by the size of the 229, im put off by the weight.

[GJM]

Im not put off by the size of the 229, im put off by the weight.

I just weighed my 229 with the optic but no mag, and it was 29.05 ounces.

[TheNewbie]

What’s the point of making the Sigs and Berettas SAO vs retaining the DA ability? Such as with the CZ 75.


Does it improve the trigger pull or make things more simple?

[shane45]

I just weighed my 229 with the optic but no mag, and it was 29.05 ounces.

Interesting. Published no optic, empty mag is 32. Thats what sent me looking at the Wilson sfx9 3.25 and the staccato cs.

[TheNewbie]

This.

Plus, one recurring theme I see in training is people buying TDA because they have been told it's safer for AIWB or because its the latest hipster purchase, but they have not habituated de-cocking. I see them holstering a cocked but NOT locked pistol.

EVERY time the muzzle comes off target one should de-cock.

ETA: I also contend that the safety on a SAO pistol be engaged whenever the muzzle is off target.



Agree.

When it comes to devolving, one should hit the lever every time they come off target, or before holstering, regardless of whether they shot or not. It helps build the habit of using the decocker. I’m pretty sure I picked that knowledge up here.

[1911Nut]

I don't have a lot of time behind it yet, but I really like my P226 X5 Classic. I am a long time thumb safety user, with 1911's as well as CZ shadows with thumb safeties.

I put up a short post a couple of weeks ago referencing this pistol, and IIRC, I stated at that time that the thumb safety on the P226 felt "different" as compared to 1911's. With a little more time behind the gun, it still feels "different" to me, but not something I can't get used to in a reasonable amount of time.

The pistol is pig-heavy, but very soft shooting and accurate, and entirely impractical for EDC.

I sure wish George hadn't posted the attributes of the P229 . . . .money will be spent, rationalizations will be made.

[Caballoflaco]

I just found these from KNS precision…for the P-07/09 so off to that thread with some questions.

https://knsprecisioninc.com/kns-cz-p07-09-enhanced-safety/
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[jlw]

I just found these from KNS precision…for the P-07/09 so off to that thread with some questions.

https://knsprecisioninc.com/kns-cz-p07-09-enhanced-safety/
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If those had been available back when I had a P07, i'd probably still have a P07.

[TheNewbie]

If those had been available back when I had a P07, i'd probably still have a P07.


Did you not like the TDA setup with the decocker?

[jlw]

Did you not like the TDA setup with the decocker?

I’ve not found one that had the right combo of both DA and SA trigger.

[Joe in PNG]

One of the things that really struck me about my 239 is the DA trigger. It's super easy, barley an inconvenience to decock, and easily my favorite DA trigger.

[JSGlock34]

EVERY time the muzzle comes off target one should de-cock.

ETA: I also contend that the safety on a SAO pistol be engaged whenever the muzzle is off target.

While this mirrors the training I received on TDA firearms, and I'm tempted to agree, I'm not sure we have ever come to consensus on this topic, and it has been discussed more than a few times. There are schools that view the decocker/safety as a feature to engage whenever the firearm is returned to the ready, presumably to enhance safety. I find this compelling - the idea that if the firearm is not on target, nothing good can really happen if the firearm is not decocked or the safety engaged. And there are schools that look at the decocker/safety as an administrative device, not unlike the SCD for the Glock, which is meant to be engaged to safely holster the firearm. I've already noted where I personally lean on the topic, but intellectually I acknowledge there is really no practical difference between a cocked SA trigger and many of the fully tensioned striker guns that are issued except that we can see the hammer in the cocked position.

Regardless, decocking the firearm or applying the safety is something that needs to be addressed in training. But back to the comment on the declining popularity of the DA/SA design - most institutions have long since decided to address this matter by issuing firearms that have neither a decocker or safety.

[GJM]

The decocker on the most common DA/SA pistols used in competition is the shooter's thumb.

[Bucky]

I like most things about the P-SAO and was on the verge of buying a P226 SAO. The substitution of the from-frou Legion for the plain Elite SAO was annoying, but the thing that stopped me was the slide release, minuscule size, odd location. If you don't shoot to slide lock or if you are in the habit of yanking the slide to close, that will not be a factor, but my long years in 1911 and my IDPA shooting with frequent slide locks made it a liability.

The slide stop moved me away from Sigs for carry years ago. I had trimmed my P229 slide stop so I couldn’t ride it, like a 1911 safety.

[Spartan1980]

I have a 229 DAK. I know, not the same but I really like that light smooth trigger. Most people shoot them like a striker gun, get freaked and confused and end up hating them. I look at the first reset as an "Oh Shit! fallback" option, letting the trigger fully reset gets you back to that smooth light wonderful trigger and isn't too far off of a uber tricked DA revolver stroke but lighter.

The P Series are tanks to carry, that's for certain. I need to drop the dollars and get a Milt Sparks VM2 for mine, that makes carry a much easier proposition.

[1More]

Great thread. One note; I've found the Strut Replacement System (SRS) from the Sig Armorer to positively improve the trigger feel on the SAO 226. I've got a Legion 226 SAO from the initial release and a 2015 vintage 226 DA/SA. I had the Sig Armorer do the Carry Package on the DA/SA gun. Good trigger became great. Of note, I had the SRS included in the tune. As an aside, I was skeptical about the improvement on a trigger I already liked; I was pleasantly surprised. In any case, swapping the SRS into my stock SAO showed a real improvement in the quality of the pull and break of the SAO trigger. The change in the geometry that fully clears the other internals provides a better result than cost if your SAO has safety-mainspring strut interaction. (put the unloaded firearm on safe with the hammer cocked. Squeeze the trigger...if the right side safety wiggles, your strut is not moving cleanly). With respect to the DA/SA gun, the strut is nice to have, but doesn't have the same impact(with the stock strut, the tuned trigger still felt and shot subjectively 90% as well as with the SRS). Stock to stock, my DA/SA had a slightly nicer SA pull than the SAO. Also, with respect to shooting one handed, for me, the DA/SA shoots better/quicker on presentation due to my fat thumb knuckles not playing as well with the SAO safety and backstrap(not an issue with 2 handed grip). Despite that, I still have an irrational love for the 226 SAO.

[jlw]

While this mirrors the training I received on TDA firearms, and I'm tempted to agree, I'm not sure we have ever come to consensus on this topic, and it has been discussed more than a few times. There are schools that view the decocker/safety as a feature to engage whenever the firearm is returned to the ready, presumably to enhance safety. I find this compelling - the idea that if the firearm is not on target, nothing good can really happen if the firearm is not decocked or the safety engaged. And there are schools that look at the decocker/safety as an administrative device, not unlike the SCD for the Glock, which is meant to be engaged to safely holster the firearm. I've already noted where I personally lean on the topic, but intellectually I acknowledge there is really no practical difference between a cocked SA trigger and many of the fully tensioned striker guns that are issued except that we can see the hammer in the cocked position.

Regardless, decocking the firearm or applying the safety is something that needs to be addressed in training. But back to the comment on the declining popularity of the DA/SA design - most institutions have long since decided to address this matter by issuing firearms that have neither a decocker or safety.

I'll confess that back during the day of TDA being much more common, I wasn't as hard line. As they have become a, for lack of a better term, hipster purchase in the training world, I've seen the issues that I described above prompting my methodology statement.

I just don't understand why people adopt a TDA and then avoid the DA part.

[Sensei]

The metal P-series are 1.5” wide which is identical to the Beretta 92 series and just a hair thicker than an HK P2000 at 1.37” or a SW 5600 series. Keep in mind that SW 5609 is also about 6 oz heavier. If you want a tank, then I submit the Beretta Centurian Tactical as the Tiger-series of carry tanks.

[fatdog]

No relationship with this seller other than I have bought stuff from them in the past, but this is a pretty good price on the discontinued model of the Legion 226SAO that is not milled for an optic. Since I have several 226 uppers milled and an SRO in place for one of them, I am tempted to use this as a starting point and just sell off this uncut Legion upper and swap those other existing uppers with optics in as I choose. I have been told the only incompatibility in the 226 line comes into play when you are talking about any of the X5 guns, all X5 lowers and uppers which are not plug and play with the classic DA/SA, the elite SAO or these 4.4" SAO Legions.

https://firearmsdepot.com/sig-sauer-p226-legion-series-9mm-e26r9legionsao/

[taadski]

I have been told the only incompatibility in the 226 line comes into play when you are talking about any of the X5 guns, all X5 lowers and uppers which are not plug and play with the classic DA/SA, the elite SAO or these 4.4" SAO Legions.

A DA/SA X5 (ie- the X5 allround) lower is “plug and play” as you say, with any of the standard 4.4” 9mm 226 uppers. The dust cover will simply extend to the end of the slide, very similar to the European 226 LDC model. You can also use the 5” X5 Allround upper on the standard 226 lower, however there will be a gap due to the shorter dust cover (Which admittedly might make it less advisable. It still functions fine though in my couple of examples).

[GJM]

Something I noticed, is if you take your foot just slightly off the gas pedal, the 229 SAO is an easy gun to shoot very accurately. Something about the combination of weight, trigger, the grip size and shape, and how it cycles. It also is easy to shoot well one hand.

[taadski]

Something I noticed, is if you take your foot just slightly off the gas pedal, the 229 SAO is an easy gun to shoot very accurately. Something about the combination of weight, trigger, the grip size and shape, and how it cycles. It also is easy to shoot well one hand.


It’s definitely the bore axis. 😂

[Bucky]

Something I noticed, is if you take your foot just slightly off the gas pedal, the 229 SAO is an easy gun to shoot very accurately. Something about the combination of weight, trigger, the grip size and shape, and how it cycles. It also is easy to shoot well one hand.


It’s definitely the bore axis. 😂

It could be. ;) ;)

[Joe in PNG]

In the "Cool, But Will Never Happen" category, a P239 that took 365 mags would be cool. But it will never happen.

[TOTS]

In the "Cool, But Will Never Happen" category, a P239 that took 365 mags would be cool. But it will never happen.
Fun fact: the 365 series mag tubes are the exact same as the 226 and 228/229 (and B-92/M-9) tubes with the exception of the neck-down area at the top. I think a 2011 style commander built around the 365 series tubes would be perfect.

Irrelevant to your point, I guess. But this means SIG could have built the 365 30 years ago! Imagine how different the world or even universe would be!!

[MGW]

I recall that I sold off all my TDA Sigs after the purchase of a 92 Centurion from Wilson. But I wasn’t shooting striker guns at the time and the Army still had M9’s. The ergos, light recoil, and trigger of the Centurion ruined all other TDAs for me.

Edit to add. I always thought a SA Sig would be the best 2011 a person could buy. The trigger is 100% the same but the magazines and resulting reliability would more than make up the difference. If I ever get serious about shooting again, a SA only 226 would be high on my list.

[Doc_Glock]

This thread reminded me how much I like DAO B92s.

[1More]

Finally had a chance to shoot my circa 2016 SAO Legion 226 today with the Strut from the Sig Armorer. It was transformational. The gun and trigger were 2x the gun the last time I shot it without the strut. My gun is otherwise stock. I knew I had the issue Burke was talking about (the drag on the strut), but I did not think it would be this big a difference. I love my DA/SA that Burke went over...but this is something else. The gun went from playing second fiddle to my DA/SA 226 to being a first string player. The break on first shot and follow up shots is very nice. Follow up shots are exceptional. The gun cycles fast...the sights settle back in exceptionally well and the break is very clean. This is what I was hoping for when I first bought my 226SAO. I'd spend twice the price to get this result. I keep wanting to grab a Staccato just because...but the wants died a lot while I was shooting this setup. I think a 226SAO with modern mags, one of these struts, and a modern optics setup is something to consider. I don't know why SIG doesn't buy this IP and make it standard for the 22x. If someone wants to try the strut, let me know.

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[Dusty Stone]

I have two Sigs that are both DA/SA - 1) P226 Tacops 9mm 2) 220 .45 full size. Pretty much like them both so much, and recently found a CZ 97B .45 in a shop and put it on layaway right away.. they have a nice plan 10% down, and 10 months to pay :cool:

[G19Fan]

In the "Cool, But Will Never Happen" category, a P239 that took 365 mags would be cool. But it will never happen.

Rooting for other manufacturers to build guns around p365 magazine

[Joe in PNG]

Finally had a chance to shoot my circa 2016 SAO Legion 226 today with the Strut from the Sig Armorer. It was transformational. The gun and trigger were 2x the gun the last time I shot it without the strut. My gun is otherwise stock. I knew I had the issue Burke was talking about (the drag on the strut), but I did not think it would be this big a difference. I love my DA/SA that Burke went over...but this is something else. The gun went from playing second fiddle to my DA/SA 226 to being a first string player. The break on first shot and follow up shots is very nice. Follow up shots are exceptional. The gun cycles fast...the sights settle back in exceptionally well and the break is very clean. This is what I was hoping for when I first bought my 226SAO. I'd spend twice the price to get this result. I keep wanting to grab a Staccato just because...but the wants died a lot while I was shooting this setup. I think a 226SAO with modern mags, one of these struts, and a modern optics setup is something to consider. I don't know why SIG doesn't buy this IP and make it standard for the 22x. If someone wants to try the strut, let me know.

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Looks like something I'd like to try in my 239.

[Sig_Fiend]

Looks like something I'd like to try in my 239.

I put one in my P6 and it made a noticeable improvement. The improvement, I would say, was in smoothing out the force curve throughout most of the trigger pull. Not really a reduction in weight, just a smoother overall pull.

This did result in significantly less of a kink in the hammer spring compared to a SIG hammer strut, which I'm sure is a big part of the improvement.

[4mykaren]

I prefer DA/SA for all purpose. But if u like thumb ride the safety, SAO is very good for range use.

[Borderland]

In the "Cool, But Will Never Happen" category, a P239 that took 365 mags would be cool. But it will never happen.

P239 mags are becoming hard to find. I've seen a few for 50 bucks. That's the problem with discontinued Sigs, or any other pistol for that matter. Lots of those 3rd generation S&W pistols are going to be in the same boat. 1911 looks better all the time. $13 magazines has it's advantage.

[Bergeron]

I'd be interested to see how demand for thumb safety P22X Sigs compares to the DA guns. Curious the same way about the 92.

I find these thumb safety versions of legacy DA patterned pistols fun and exciting.