Glock 17 mags in a 19

[KevH]

I'm pondering carrying my Glock 19 for everything in the next year (uniform and CCW). In uniform, I plan to carry it with a Surefire X300 attached. I started playing with different combos and I have to say I really like the feel of the gun with G17 mags when the light is attached. It seems to balance things out well (obviously the feel changes as the magazine gets near empty).

Has anyone else found this?
Anyone see anything wrong with carrying G17 mags in a G19?

I'll use G19 mags without the light attached when not in uniform.

[GJM]

A 17 magazine is my standard reload, to avoid pinching my hand, and I typically only use 17 mags as my spares to avoid ending up with a 19 mag when I have a Glock 17. Not infrequently, I use 17 mags as primary on the range in a Glock 19. Another option is a 19 magazine with a +2 Glock extension.

[JBP55]

A 17 magazine is my standard reload, to avoid pinching my hand, and I typically only use 17 mags as my spares to avoid ending up with a 19 mag when I have a Glock 17. Not infrequently, I use 17 mags as primary on the range in a Glock 19. Another option is a 19 magazine with a +2 Glock extension.

All of the above.

[DocGKR]

I only use G17 mags for reloads.

[Haraise]

People have literally been doing this since the 80's. Relevant: http://bit.ly/Q34jJe

[Cookie Monster]

Same. Never an issue.

Cookie Monster

[EJO]

Other than looking a little odd I don't see why it would be a functional problem. I've run a Glock 19 both on and off duty for over a year now without issue. I use G17 mags for reloads and carry a G19 mag with Glock +2 in the pistol. If you're comfortable with it and it works well for you then that's all that matters.

[TNWNGR]

I carried a 2ND Gen Glock 19 on and off duty for close to two years using the G-19 mag as primary win G17 mags for reloads. It was a great set up that would only be better with a weapons light. If your intent on staying with G17 mags you might consider a slide on spacer that fills the empty space at the bottom of the G17 mags used in a G-19.

[quack]

Just note that if you reload with a 17 mag in a 19 (without a spacer), there is always a chance for over insertion.

While not a Glock, another student in a class I took this summer over inserted a full size mag into a compact HK. This locked the gun up and he bent the ejector.


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[JBP55]

Just note that if you reload with a 17 mag in a 19 (without a spacer), there is always a chance for over insertion.

While not a Glock, another student in a class I took this summer over inserted a full size mag into a compact HK. This locked the gun up and he bent the ejector.


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I have never seen that occur with a Glock. Has anyone?

[JConn]

It hasn't ever happened to me. I ran a 19 with 17 mags for about a year.

[kodiakpb]

You can run 17 mags in a 19 all day. There is absolutely no functional issue with it.

[Gary1911A1]

Guess I never thought about how using a 17 Magazine in a Glock 19 would prevent me from pinching the heel of my hand on a speed reload. :cool:

[Gary1911A1]

Guess I never thought about how using a 17 Magazine in a Glock 19 would prevent me from pinching the heel of my hand on a speed reload. :cool:

[JAD]

Glock's magazine is rather carefully designed to prevent over-insertion (unlike pretty much any others I've seen). I would worry more about a lot of other things.

[MDS]

if you run the Vickers slide stop, you might have problems appear, or be made worse, if you use larger size magazines.

[kodiakpb]

if you run the Vickers slide stop, you might have problems appear, or be made worse, if you use larger size magazines.

If your going to make a claim like that, you should follow through with some examples/facts that brought you to that conclusion.

[MDS]

If your going to make a claim like that, you should follow through with some examples/facts that brought you to that conclusion.

Fair point. http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?p=94002

[KevH]

Relevant: http://bit.ly/Q34jJe

Dude really? That was in poor taste.

I ask the question here because there are quite a few knowledgeable folks on here I trust.

When I carried a Glock 27 as a backup to my Glock 22 I would always use the 22's mags when qualifying with the 27. I know you can run them in a fix or infrequently, but my question was if you can run them constantly without causing damage or risk of over-insertion. It appears you can.

[Haraise]

Dude really? That was in poor taste.

I ask the question here because there are quite a few knowledgeable folks on here I trust.

When I carried a Glock 27 as a backup to my Glock 22 I would always use the 22's mags when qualifying with the 27. I know you can run them in a fix or infrequently, but my question was if you can run them constantly without causing damage or risk of over-insertion. It appears you can.

Yes. Really. It's been done since the 80's. This question is as dated as asking if one can or cannot touch MC Hammer's rapping.

[SPDGG]

Just note that if you reload with a 17 mag in a 19 (without a spacer), there is always a chance for over insertion.

While not a Glock, another student in a class I took this summer over inserted a full size mag into a compact HK. This locked the gun up and he bent the ejector.

^ Sorry, but I had to chime in on this one.

You cant over insert a G17 Magazine into a Glock 26 or Glock 19, unless the mag or frame is damaged or you try to deliberately hammer, like with an actual hammer, the mag past this point.
Reason: Both the magazine and frame have a ledge that prevents over-insertion, they stop on one another.

[JV_]

Relevant: http://bit.ly/Q34jJe


Yes. Really. It's been done since the 80's. This question is as dated as asking if one can or cannot touch MC Hammer's rapping.

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[bassmcqueen]

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[Crow Hunter]

^ Sorry, but I had to chime in on this one.

You cant over insert a G17 Magazine into a Glock 26 or Glock 19, unless the mag or frame is damaged or you try to deliberately hammer, like with an actual hammer, the mag past this point.
Reason: Both the magazine and frame have a ledge that prevents over-insertion, they stop on one another.

Yep. 100% correct.

It is possible, but it requires so much force that you will probably break something in the process.

I actually tried it back years ago and actually bruised my hand doing it. It still didn't over insert.

You can see it easily if you lock the slide open and ease the magazine in, you will see both of the ledges.

I believe this was done because the guns were designed around the idea of using extended magazines. AKA G18

[Wendell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXohG9HfR1M

[DocGKR]

Exactly!

Paul's practical wisdom is missed...

[balance]

You cant over insert a G17 Magazine into a Glock 26 or Glock 19, unless the mag or frame is damaged or you try to deliberately hammer, like with an actual hammer, the mag past this point.
Reason: Both the magazine and frame have a ledge that prevents over-insertion, they stop on one another.

This is correct.

I made some pictures when this topic was discussed in another forum. There is a tab on the mag that hits a tab on the frame inside the magwell that prevents the feed lips from going high enough to impact the ejector:

Tab on the side of the mag:

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n524/balance740/100_1208.jpg

Tab on the inside of the magwell:

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n524/balance740/100_1209.jpg

The highest the mag will go in the magwell:

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n524/balance740/100_1210.jpg

Glock is the only manufacturer that I know of that uses this system where you can use a full size mag in a subcompact pistol without a spacer, and without the concern of over-insertion.

[GJM]

Related, but different -- I have heard of reliability problems with using a Glock 20 magazine in a Glock 29. Reported by other G29 users, and supported by a friend at Glock. The thought is that the magazine protruding so far below the grip allows torquing of the magazine, and causes the problem.

While I haven't heard of the problems in the 9mm pistols, out of caution I have limited the amount of magazine extending below the grip -- using a 17 mag as a reload in the 19, and a 19 magazine in the 26.

[Chuck Haggard]

To test this theory I have done stuff over the years like run a G26 with a G18 mag, and (Gasp!) rest it on cover.

Almost every one of our troops reloads thrier G19 or 26 with G17 mags. I have never seen a stoppage from this practice.

For a G19 I'd run a 19 mag and a +2 base pad in the gun, regualr G17 mags as the reloads. Standard G19 mags for when I conceal the gun or get to wear heavier clothing.

[t101]

I'm pondering carrying my Glock 19 for everything in the next year (uniform and CCW). In uniform, I plan to carry it with a Surefire X300 attached. I started playing with different combos and I have to say I really like the feel of the gun with G17 mags when the light is attached. It seems to balance things out well (obviously the feel changes as the magazine gets near empty).

Has anyone else found this?
Anyone see anything wrong with carrying G17 mags in a G19?

I'll use G19 mags without the light attached when not in uniform.



What holster/mag pouch combos are you thinking about using?

[KevH]

Safariland 6280 and Eagle mag pouch...the usual.

[t101]

I only asked because I too have, at times, carried a G23 in place of my issued G22 for full time duty use. I usually get hung up on holsters. I usually use leather with a thumb break most of the time, and switch over to a Safariland 6578 ALS for tactical operations or when dressed up for open carry operations. While the G23 (or G19) will work in all of the holsters the G22 will, it doesn't fit as well in the 6578 as the full size. My holster dilemma is one of the reasons I periodically buy and then subsequently sell a lot of different types of holsters.

I also shoot the G23 marginally better than the G22, but the G22 feels better in the hand.

[KevH]

I only asked because I too have, at times, carried a G23 in place of my issued G22 for full time duty use. I usually get hung up on holsters. I usually use leather with a thumb break most of the time, and switch over to a Safariland 6578 ALS for tactical operations or when dressed up for open carry operations. While the G23 (or G19) will work in all of the holsters the G22 will, it doesn't fit as well in the 6578 as the full size. My holster dilemma is one of the reasons I periodically buy and then subsequently sell a lot of different types of holsters.

I also shoot the G23 marginally better than the G22, but the G22 feels better in the hand.

That's easy to fix. Just buy a holster meant for the gun or gun/light combo.

I've used Safariland my entire career. My academy holster and first on the street was the SSIII 070. Still an absolutely fantastic holster today. I then moved to a 6280, then a Level II Raptor and then an ALS. A couple years ago I went back to the 6280 after deciding it works best for me. It takes several thousand draws and reholsters for the drawstroke to really get into muscle memory which translates to a couple days on the range and dryfire draws at home. I have yet to find a duty holster manufacturer whose product is even close to comparable.

If you need a traditional snap holster go buy an SSIII 070. Otherwise grab a 6280 designed for the Glock 19/23.

As for shooting the mid-size Glock better than the fullsize I have found this is true for me as well. I think it is the fact that the smaller frame forces me to choke up with a more solid grip.

[Spr1]

Just note that if you reload with a 17 mag in a 19 (without a spacer), there is always a chance for over insertion.

While not a Glock, another student in a class I took this summer over inserted a full size mag into a compact HK. This locked the gun up and he bent the ejector.


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Which model HK?

[Lost River]

KevH,

Continuing on with what others have said, I will add a bit from my personal experience.

I ran an issued G19 overseas for a number of years. I pretty much always ran G17 mags. Depending on the mission and the level of dress, kit, etc, I usually would run a stock G17 mag as my primary mag and then G17 mags with +5 baseplates on my first-line gear. I had zero G17 vs G19 magazine related issues. I also ran a light, when using a drop leg.

Your initial post and thought process seems quite logical and sound.

Personally I found with addition of the +5 adapters to the G17 mags and a Light/Laser combo, using the G19 was almost like cheating.



Here stateside, I carry a G19 off duty with a G19 mag in the gun, w/ a G17 spare. Nothing high-speed or fancy, just stuff that works.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/G19spareMagSureFire.jpg

[MDFA]

I've used G17 Mags in G19's and G22 Mags in G23's for years, never had an issue. It will help the pinching issue during reloads and of course the added benefit of a couple extra rounds on tap.

Bob