Carjackings in the news

[Borderland]

Generally not newsworthy but this one might send a signal to how bad the problem is in DC.


Carjackings are up more than 100% over last year.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/fbi-special-agent-carjacked-washington-dc/story?id=105255780

[Outpost75]

Time to have a carjacker sting op and shoot some of these juvenile delinquents on iCrime.

Important safety tip - how do you carry in your vehicle to have gun accessible while belted in?

Do you shoot through the window or just drive over the little buggers?

When FBI agents get car jacked and the G-ride gets stolen with guns, ammo and armor in the trunk something is seriously wrong.

The Secret Service agent on Biden daughter's protection detail fired his weapon but didn't hit the kid.

Reckless endangerment. Where did his rounds go?

Comments????

[Le Français]

The Secret Service agent on Biden daughter's protection detail fired his weapon but didn't hit the kid.

Reckless endangerment. Where did his rounds go?

Comments????

Merely missing your target doesn't necessarily mean firing was reckless, or dangerous to third parties. "Know your target and what is beyond it."

[Borderland]

Time to have a carjacker sting op and shoot some of these juvenile delinquents on iCrime.

Important safety tip - how do you carry in your vehicle to have gun accessible while belted in?

Do you shoot through the window or just drive over the little buggers?

When FBI agents get car jacked and the G-ride gets stolen with guns, ammo and armor in the trunk something is seriously wrong.

The Secret Service agent on Biden daughter's protection detail fired his weapon but didn't hit the kid.

Reckless endangerment. Where did his rounds go?

Comments????

Whoever did that probably knew what was in the car, don't cha think?

[Le Français]

Whoever did that probably knew what was in the car, don't cha think?

If you mean the carjacker who took the FBI car, don't count on it. I think it's more likely that the carjacker just saw an opportunity and took it, without knowing it was a LE vehicle. Plainclothes cops and federal agents being selected for robbery happens more than you'd think, and it's pretty obvious when the robbers don't come prepared for a real fight. Often, the robbery is not successfully consummated.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/lake-county-news-sun/ct-lns-fatal-zion-shooting-st-0330-20180329-story.html

https://nypost.com/2022/12/17/nj-man-zachary-bell-nabbed-after-allegedly-carjacking-dea-agent/

[WobblyPossum]

Whoever did that probably knew what was in the car, don't cha think?


If you mean the carjacker who took the FBI car, don't count on it. I think it's more likely that the carjacker just saw an opportunity and took it, without knowing it was a LE vehicle. Plainclothes cops and federal agents being selected for robbery happens more than you'd think, and it's pretty obvious when the robbers don't come prepared for a real fight. Often, the robbery is not successfully consummated.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/lake-county-news-sun/ct-lns-fatal-zion-shooting-st-0330-20180329-story.html

https://nypost.com/2022/12/17/nj-man-zachary-bell-nabbed-after-allegedly-carjacking-dea-agent/

I’d be comfortable betting a paycheck the perpetrators didn’t know the victim was a federal agent and that they were jacking a g-ride. I believe some years ago the DEA reported that approximately 50% of their agents’ OIS’ were in response to robbery attempts of plain clothes personnel. It wouldn’t surprise me if most other investigative agencies had similar numbers. Most of the big agencies are running fleets of GSA leased vehicles which means the vehicles are generally no older than three years. Popular models of newish cars that don’t immediately look like cop cars, being driven by people who don’t immediately look like cops, who are often doing the same things normal private citizens do during the duty day (going into and out of office buildings, getting gas, going out to lunch, etc). Since the vast majority of car jackings and other street robberies are opportunist crimes that don’t really allow for extended surveillance of the would-be victims, the perpetrators don’t know their intended target is actually an armed federal agent. That’s how feds end up getting robbed on duty.

[DC_P]

Having a manual won't keep you from getting killed/beat up, but at least they may not make off with your car.

Porsche Carjackers Fail Because They Can't Drive Stick (https://www.motor1.com/news/698723/carjacking-foiled-manual-transmission-porsche-718-boxster/)

[Borderland]

I’d be comfortable betting a paycheck the perpetrators didn’t know the victim was a federal agent and that they were jacking a g-ride. I believe some years ago the DEA reported that approximately 50% of their agents’ OIS’ were in response to robbery attempts of plain clothes personnel. It wouldn’t surprise me if most other investigative agencies had similar numbers. Most of the big agencies are running fleets of GSA leased vehicles which means the vehicles are generally no older than three years. Popular models of newish cars that don’t immediately look like cop cars, being driven by people who don’t immediately look like cops, who are often doing the same things normal private citizens do during the duty day (going into and out of office buildings, getting gas, going out to lunch, etc). Since the vast majority of car jackings and other street robberies are opportunist crimes that don’t really allow for extended surveillance of the would-be victims, the perpetrators don’t know their intended target is actually an armed federal agent. That’s how feds end up getting robbed on duty.

jacking a g-ride

I thought all GSA vehicles had to use the G prefix license plate. Is this out of date?

https://www.gsa.gov/system/files/Online_Desk_Reference_Guide_US_Government_License_ PlatesFINALcorrected.pdf

[TGS]

jacking a g-ride

I thought all GSA vehicles had to use the G prefix license plate. Is this out of date?

https://www.gsa.gov/system/files/Online_Desk_Reference_Guide_US_Government_License_ PlatesFINALcorrected.pdf

Many federal LE vehicles are using state cover tags, especially for those who are in investigative assignments.

[WobblyPossum]

jacking a g-ride

I thought all GSA vehicles had to use the G prefix license plate. Is this out of date?

https://www.gsa.gov/system/files/Online_Desk_Reference_Guide_US_Government_License_ PlatesFINALcorrected.pdf


Many federal LE vehicles are using state cover tags, especially for those who are in investigative assignments.

Surveillance would be substantially less productive if our vehicles had .gov plates on them.

[TGS]

Surveillance would be substantially less productive if our vehicles had .gov plates on them.

That's reckless endangerment!!!!!!

[mmc45414]

I believe some years ago the DEA reported that approximately 50% of their agents’ OIS’ were in response to robbery attempts of plain clothes personnel. It wouldn’t surprise me if most other investigative agencies had similar numbers. Most of the big agencies are running fleets of GSA leased vehicles which means the vehicles are generally no older than three years. Popular models of newish cars that don’t immediately look like cop cars, being driven by people who don’t immediately look like cops, who are often doing the same things normal private citizens do during the duty day (going into and out of office buildings, getting gas, going out to lunch, etc).

And maybe in DEA's case doing it in areas where stock appearing late model cars stand out a bit.

[Dave Williams]

Having a manual won't keep you from getting killed/beat up, but at least they may not make off with your car.

Porsche Carjackers Fail Because They Can't Drive Stick (https://www.motor1.com/news/698723/carjacking-foiled-manual-transmission-porsche-718-boxster/)

Some asshole kid in my area stole a stick specifically to learn how to drive stick.

[Borderland]

Trooper Chelsea DeHart said the suspect got into the driver's seat of the woman's car and put the vehicle in reverse, but his efforts were foiled by the victim's son, James. He blasted the suspect in the face with bear spray after he said he watched in horror as the suspect grabbed his mother and threw her to the ground. He said his mother is sore and shaken, but doing okay. He said the suspect kept repeating that he needed a ride.

https://komonews.com/news/local/bear-spray-thwarts-post-christmas-carjacking-at-sea-tac-rest-area-by-2-suspects-on-the-run-stolen-vehicle-i-5-police-washington-state-patrol-troopers-james-crime-protection-chelsea-dehart-criminal-holidays?utm_source=sfmc&utm_medium=email&sfmc_id=4789478&utm_guid=611c2a24-4981-42c5-ae4b-10b0ad42209c&utm_campaign=&uuid=611c2a24-4981-42c5-ae4b-10b0ad42209c

[jh9]

Surveillance would be substantially less productive if our vehicles had .gov plates on them.

You should just send them a questionnaire in the mail.



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[Outpost75]

jacking a g-ride

I thought all GSA vehicles had to use the G prefix license plate. Is this out of date?

https://www.gsa.gov/system/files/Online_Desk_Reference_Guide_US_Government_License_ PlatesFINALcorrected.pdf

Depends on agency and mission. Many come up as "not found" when you enter ghost plates.

[RJ]

...bear spray...

That's pretty cool he had his bear spray to hand...I am surprised he could use it effectively under that amount of stress. You'd think Interstate rest stops would be a pretty benign location, but you never know I guess.

[Caballoflaco]

That's pretty cool he had his bear spray to hand...I am surprised he could use it effectively under that amount of stress. You'd think Interstate rest stops would be a pretty benign location, but you never know I guess.

What? Interstate rest stops in the Southeast (and nationwide) have been known as being great places to become a victim of crime since I was a child.

[mmc45414]

You'd think Interstate rest stops would be a pretty benign location, but you never know I guess.
Not so sure about that. Some of the LE folks will have better input, but they are one place I keep my head on a swivel.
When OH passed a CHL initially all government buildings were NPE, including rest area rest rooms. That was one of the first thing that was lobbied to change.

[BN]

You'd think Interstate rest stops would be a pretty benign location, but you never know I guess.

I'm more apt to have my head on a swivel with my hand on my revolver in my pocket at an interstate rest area then many places. I often travel I-70 which is the main East/West route in the US. Can you imagine the number of criminals traveling there? Mas suggests to go into a stall and lock the door just to pee instead of using a urinal.

[Notorious E.O.C.]

What? Interstate rest stops in the Southeast (and nationwide) have been known as being great places to become a victim of crime since I was a child.

The very first IDPA stage I ever shot required me to start with my hands in the "sink" (bucket of water), turn to the "towel dispenser," and then draw and fire as the cardboard demanded my wallet. That's been in my mind at every interstate rest stop I've ever walked into after that match.

[BN]

The very first IDPA stage I ever shot required me to start with my hands in the "sink" (bucket of water), turn to the "towel dispenser," and then draw and fire as the cardboard demanded my wallet. That's been in my mind at every interstate rest stop I've ever walked into after that match.

That wasn't in West Virginia was it. I made the "towel dispenser" out of an upside down pan. :)

[Totem Polar]

+1 on interstate rest areas. Just pulling into one mandates condition orange. :p

[RJ]

I guess experiences vary. I'll defer to anyone else's view in terms of interstate rest stops being a hot bed of criminal activity, in terms of how they view risk. And that's fine.

I traveled upwards of 50,000 miles across the US and Canada for almost two years extended travel; Florida to California, Washington state to Ontario CA, and many places in between. Interstates are generally restricted access highways, so dude has to get there by car, typically. Plus dude has to be there for "a while" looking over the potential victims as they come and go. From my experience, it's fairly easy to spot unusual activity, since I'd guess 99% of people stopping are there to have a pee or a smoke. Dude tends to stand out. Yes I'm paying attention, same as I am everywhere.

YMMV I guess, but I would not put rest stops up there with say, the local WalMart, or local gas stations, situated close to the exits. Of all the times I've felt uncomfortable, it's been in one of those kinds of situations. Generally if I'm pocket carrying my hand is on my gun while looking outward from where I am parked. Some examples that spring to mind:

- Large uh extended family in a mini-van, eating a bucket of chicken, parked at a service station at an exit, exhibiting more than passing interest in my truck. Filled up and left.
- Sedan pulls in close to my rig when I am parked in the outer rim at a Publix. This is just off the interstate. Observed the vehicle the whole time, got in, left.
- Making a short detour off the perimeter in the South part of Atlanta, crossing over the bridge that connects E to W 285. I was clearly in the wrong part of town, with a shiny truck and brand new Airstream trailer. I never actually stopped moving, even at the red light. (As a side note, it turns out you can make a U turn with a 55' long articulated truck+RV combination in a surprisingly short amount of space if you are motivated. :) ).
- Somewhere in Texas at a WalMart (San Antonio?) dude accosts me and my wife after we locked the truck in the middle of the lot. Just did my "sorry sir can't help you" and got out of the lot and into the store.
- Truck stop dump station, just off I4 in Tampa. Two dudes having an animated conversation in Spanish across the parking lot. No clue what they were saying. One ended up walking past my rig, which I thought was odd. I completed my task and gtfo.

I can't recall anything like this happening at an Interstate Rest Stop.

In the article quoted, the couple that got the Bear Spray "cut through the fence" and walked in. This is what I meant by access. I'd guess the rest stop in question was close by a local area. So in terms of an en route journey, out West say, dude is not going to be able to just walk there from town that easily. I'd guess Wal Mart is a better place to scout for victims, or a gas station close to town. Now, if ya'll are talking about rest stops, that ARE near town, or within walking distance, sure, I can see that.

So that's my experience. I'm sure bad things happen at rest stops, but I've not seen any reason to be more on the alert at one than I normally am, and I am typically pretty alert.

[Beast17]

Nevermind...

[Trooper224]

I guess experiences vary. I'll defer to anyone else's view in terms of interstate rest stops being a hot bed of criminal activity, in terms of how they view risk. And that's fine.

I traveled upwards of 50,000 miles across the US and Canada for almost two years extended travel; Florida to California, Washington state to Ontario CA, and many places in between. Interstates are generally restricted access highways, so dude has to get there by car, typically. Plus dude has to be there for "a while" looking over the potential victims as they come and go. From my experience, it's fairly easy to spot unusual activity, since I'd guess 99% of people stopping are there to have a pee or a smoke. Dude tends to stand out. Yes I'm paying attention, same as I am everywhere.

YMMV I guess, but I would not put rest stops up there with say, the local WalMart, or local gas stations, situated close to the exits. Of all the times I've felt uncomfortable, it's been in one of those kinds of situations. Generally if I'm pocket carrying my hand is on my gun while looking outward from where I am parked. Some examples that spring to mind:

- Large uh extended family in a mini-van, eating a bucket of chicken, parked at a service station at an exit, exhibiting more than passing interest in my truck. Filled up and left.
- Sedan pulls in close to my rig when I am parked in the outer rim at a Publix. This is just off the interstate. Observed the vehicle the whole time, got in, left.
- Making a short detour off the perimeter in the South part of Atlanta, crossing over the bridge that connects E to W 285. I was clearly in the wrong part of town, with a shiny truck and brand new Airstream trailer. I never actually stopped moving, even at the red light. (As a side note, it turns out you can make a U turn with a 55' long articulated truck+RV combination in a surprisingly short amount of space if you are motivated. :) ).
- Somewhere in Texas at a WalMart (San Antonio?) dude accosts me and my wife after we locked the truck in the middle of the lot. Just did my "sorry sir can't help you" and got out of the lot and into the store.
- Truck stop dump station, just off I4 in Tampa. Two dudes having an animated conversation in Spanish across the parking lot. No clue what they were saying. One ended up walking past my rig, which I thought was odd. I completed my task and gtfo.

I can't recall anything like this happening at an Interstate Rest Stop.

In the article quoted, the couple that got the Bear Spray "cut through the fence" and walked in. This is what I meant by access. I'd guess the rest stop in question was close by a local area. So in terms of an en route journey, out West say, dude is not going to be able to just walk there from town that easily. I'd guess Wal Mart is a better place to scout for victims, or a gas station close to town. Now, if ya'll are talking about rest stops, that ARE near town, or within walking distance, sure, I can see that.

So that's my experience. I'm sure bad things happen at rest stops, but I've not seen any reason to be more on the alert at one than I normally am, and I am typically pretty alert.

As someone who spent fifteen years working rural highways and their rest areas, then another fifteen working a major interstate artery, with travel plazas every 30/40 miles, I can state unequivocally that you are incorrect in the gravest of extremes.

[Borderland]

That's pretty cool he had his bear spray to hand...I am surprised he could use it effectively under that amount of stress. You'd think Interstate rest stops would be a pretty benign location, but you never know I guess.

Some rest stops are pretty sketchy here on the west coast. They've closed some to RV's due to overstay campers near me. Also some became homeless camps (drug deals) before they closed them to that crowd. CA I-5 rest stops were not my first choice on the road with an RV. I used Walmart lots and state camp grounds when available. Walmart was usualy RV's and truckers after 9 am. Rest stops are known for drug deals close to any metro area. I slept peacefully on road with a large dog and a pistol. Never had to shoot anyone. ;)

[RJ]

Some rest stops are pretty sketchy here on the west coast. They've closed some to RV's due to overstay campers near me. Also some became homeless camps (drug deals) before they closed them to that crowd. CA I-5 rest stops were not my first choice on the road with an RV. I used Walmart lots and state camp grounds when available. Walmart was usualy RV's and truckers after 9 am. Rest stops are known for drug deals close to any metro area. I slept peacefully on road with a large dog and a pistol. Never had to shoot anyone. ;)

Very true! And I can't imagine it getting better the last few years since we were traveling up and down I-5. We've used WalMarts and Cracker Barrels for overnights. Although it seemed as we went fewer and fewer WalMarts were allowing overnight stays. For the ones that were, you'd see all the RVs out in the edge of the lot, in circle the wagons format.

[whomever]

As someone who spent fifteen years working rural highways and their rest areas, then another fifteen working a major interstate artery, with travel plazas every 30/40 miles, I can state unequivocally that you are incorrect in the gravest of extremes.

Trooper224, if you are feeling literary I would be interested in a paragraph or two on rest area crime, as in types (gun in face in restroom? Come out to find your car prowled/stolen? Urban or rural? Night/day? etc, etc). I'm of an age when passing rest areas isn't much of an option, so welcome any rest-area specific info that different from the usual SA one tries to maintain.

[Wake27]

Trooper224, if you are feeling literary I would be interested in a paragraph or two on rest area crime, as in types (gun in face in restroom? Come out to find your car prowled/stolen? Urban or rural? Night/day? etc, etc). I'm of an age when passing rest areas isn't much of an option, so welcome any rest-area specific info that different from the usual SA one tries to maintain.

Yeah I would too. I've always heard generalities about rest stops being super high threat, I think tied back to human trafficking but nothing recent nor specific and from a credible source. I don't travel for work but moving from VA to CO, CO to NC, and now NC to KS with a little girl, wife, and two big dogs, we have to stop several times along the way. Rest stops feel safe because there are lots of people, but we all know that most to all of them are worthless. We typically try to stop at Chick fil As or Bass Pros. We don't like leaving the dogs in the car by themselves so usually I go in first, scope it, then go back to the car and my wife takes my daughter in. But she's fairly opposed to carrying anything more than pepper spray and it makes me very uncomfortable that we're separated for a lot of that time.

[Trooper224]

You have two general types of locations: the large travel plazas on interstates and rest areas on two-lane secondary highways. The latter are becoming things of the past, as states don't have funding and personnel to maintain them. Unless you're really in some form of need, I just wouldn't stop at one. Typically, they're not well maintained and tend to be hangouts for the local criminal element. I definitely wouldn't sleep in my vehicle in those locations.

The larger travel plazas/rest areas tend to be better maintained. These will typically feature a gas station with a convenience store, restaurant and truck park. The downside here is they tend to feature all of the city type crime we're familiar with. When I worked the Kansas Turnpike this is what we had. It was like having a small town every 30/40 miles.

When frequenting these establishments AVOID THE TRUCK PARK. This is where the majority of the crime takes place: vandalism, rape, drug dealing, prostitution, etc. If you're thinking of parking your RV or vehicle in there to get some sleep don't do it. Unless you want pushers offering you dope, or lot lizards selling blow jobs knocking on your door every hour. Consider the truck park shitbag central, or the equivalent of Mos Eisley. A wretched hive of scum and villainy.

If you stop with your family members: there's strength in the pack, stay together. Don't let your children even go to the rest room alone and men, always use a stall instead of a urinal. These places are very busy during peak travel season and it's very easy to lose your kids, permanently. In one year we had three kidnapping attempts at one such area. Two young women were nearly abducted by a human trafficking ring and one estranged father attempted to kidnap his daughter from his ex-wife. Fortunately, none of these were successful. So, keep everyone together and minimize the distance you get from your vehicle.

If you're gasing up, everyone stays in the vehicle until you're finished, then you move the vehicle to the store front and everyone goes in together. Up thread, someone mentioned going in and checking things out first, while leaving the wife and child in the car. In reality, your wife was in more danger sitting in the car than you were going in. Stay together. Also, don't leave your vehicle unlocked and don't leave it running. You'd be agog at how often these two things occur.

I don't want to give everyone a case of paranoia about using such facilities. Many of them are quite nice and are a source of state pride. In the vast majority of situations you'll make a stop without incident. It's not Mad Max World and there's no guarantee you'll meet the Toe Cutter at the slushy machine. Afterall, sometimes you just gotta go and maybe you just need some Beef Jerky and a Kansas key chain. Just keep your head on a swivel, stay together and if your inner voice is telling you it seems hinky, listen.

Oh, and pack a gun. 😉

[Tabasco]

When frequenting these establishments AVOID THE TRUCK PARK.


I always thought a good name for a band would be "Truck Stop Hookers". That's a thing, right?

[mmc45414]

I definitely wouldn't sleep in my vehicle in those locations.
Not exactly relevant to the rest area discussion (he was just in some random parking lot), but remember Michael Jordan's father was murdered while napping in his car. He did lots wrong, like being out of place in a luxury car with vanity plates that indicated who he was, but I am sure he thought it was probably not an issue. He was maybe also hammered (pulled over because he was "tired" after golfing all day), but he flat got shot by a couple of dirtbags that targeted him for his car and jewelry.


Oh, and pack a gun. 😉
Sometimes I bring along a pocket gun, just in case I need to urgently crap before the day's travels are complete.


lot lizards selling blow jobs knocking on your door every hour.
That would be a little too frequent, even when I was in my twenties... :cool:

[Trooper224]

I always thought a good name for a band would be "Truck Stop Hookers". That's a thing, right?

I once watched an episode of Vice wherein they intended to send two pretty, young twenties, reporters undercover in a strip club. They chose a strip club at a truck stop out in the desert, in Nevada I think. The place was known as,"the place where strippers go to die." They were supposed to stay for two weeks, they lasted for forty-eight hours. It was awesome.

[DDTSGM]

Trooper224: Good intel on the travel plaza's, I always felt fairly safe at those. The rest area between Lindsborg and McPherson on 135 and the one near Manhattan on 70 always made the hair on the back of my neck stand up a little.

Generally, when we travel with the trailer I keep enough water in the tank to use that bathroom, if needed between gas stops. There is no way in hell I'm sleeping in a rest area or Walmart parking lot in my trailer. That's what they make KOA's and other such RV parks for, I'm not traveling to reenact The Grapes of Wrath, so I'm okay from that danger. Plus we usually have 220 pounds of GSD's with us.

[Wake27]

If you're gasing up, everyone stays in the vehicle until you're finished, then you move the vehicle to the store front and everyone goes in together. Up thread, someone mentioned going in and checking things out first, while leaving the wife and child in the car. In reality, your wife was in more danger sitting in the car than you were going in. Stay together. Also, don't leave your vehicle unlocked and don't leave it running. You'd be agog at how often these two things occur.

This is what I often wonder. Whether she and my daughter are more at risk in the car or when inside. We don't travel at night but always leave the car running with the AC on and windows shut since we rotate inside because of the dogs. She is very good at keeping the doors locked and if I go in and only brought one gun, it stays in the car with her. The two dogs are usually kind of fired up with all of the commotion but they get extra riled up if someone is walking real close to the car, so there's almost a few extra sets of eyes. Of course, there's also a lot more commotion inside the car so its hectic and can be overwhelming. I get even more uncomfortable when she takes my daughter in, especially when its a large plaza with multiple exits. I'm really going to start pushing her more into carrying.

[Borderland]

Trooper224: Good intel on the travel plaza's, I always felt fairly safe at those. The rest area between Lindsborg and McPherson on 135 and the one near Manhattan on 70 always made the hair on the back of my neck stand up a little.

Generally, when we travel with the trailer I keep enough water in the tank to use that bathroom, if needed between gas stops. There is no way in hell I'm sleeping in a rest area or Walmart parking lot in my trailer. That's what they make KOA's and other such RV parks for, I'm not traveling to reenact The Grapes of Wrath, so I'm okay from that danger. Plus we usually have 220 pounds of GSD's with us.

We traveled in the west for four years with a trailer and used Walmart lots occasionally. Not my first choice but convienient and free. Better than a Pilot, Love's or Flying J. Never had a problem. I think the ones that have a high crime rate just don't let anyone stay overnight. It's private property after all so easy to restrict. We found that some Native American casinoes had excellent facilities for RV's at a reasonable price. Food was also good. That was awhile ago so things may have changed.

The problem in CA is most travelers can't carry so it's especially hazardous just about anywhere you camp or stop. We stayed in a few campgrounds in CA but we avoided CA for the most part. Even with all the restrictions they have there, they still have a high homicide rate.

[Borderland]

https://komonews.com/news/local/seattle-crime-armed-carjacking-pursuit-video-juveniles-arrested-charged-high-speed-chase-greenwood-south-lake-union-bitter-lake-gun-recovered-family-justice-center-king-county-crime?utm_source=sfmc&utm_medium=email&sfmc_id=4789478&utm_guid=611c2a24-4981-42c5-ae4b-10b0ad42209c&utm_campaign=&uuid=611c2a24-4981-42c5-ae4b-10b0ad42209c

I used to live in that neighborhood.

[Lex Luthier]

https://komonews.com/news/local/seattle-crime-armed-carjacking-pursuit-video-juveniles-arrested-charged-high-speed-chase-greenwood-south-lake-union-bitter-lake-gun-recovered-family-justice-center-king-county-crime?utm_source=sfmc&utm_medium=email&sfmc_id=4789478&utm_guid=611c2a24-4981-42c5-ae4b-10b0ad42209c&utm_campaign=&uuid=611c2a24-4981-42c5-ae4b-10b0ad42209c

I used to live in that neighborhood.

I was about 15-20 blocks west. That’s right near the Chubby& Tubby’s, isn’t it?
Seems like Aurora has become rough once more.

[Borderland]

I was about 15-20 blocks west. That’s right near the Chubby& Tubby’s, isn’t it?
Seems like Aurora has become rough once more.

I lived on 97th and 3rd Ave for awhile. Then 157th and 5th Ave. in the Shoreline area. I was always amazed at the numbers hookers on Aurora Ave. around 85th. I don't think I ever shopped in a Chubby and Tubby. I moved out of there after my vehicle was stolen...twice. I had a neighbor who was a drug dealer. Ether that or he had dozens of friends that stopped by to say hi everyday.