View Full Version : Starting USPSA CO and seeking advice
ArgentFix
10-17-2023, 09:27 AM
I've dipped my toes into steel challenge and proper USPSA matches and, Lord help me, it seems there's no turning back. I shoot B with my beloved Poor Man's Roland (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?51496-DIY-G19-5-dot-comp&p=1449149&viewfull=1#post1449149) in Open/U. Great gun but I want a budget Carry Optics rig. I'm thinking:
Glock 17 or 47 MOS
Holosun 507 comp
OEM Performance trigger
OEM G17 mags with Taran +5/6 base
For holster, I've been using the CompTac International but I would prefer something further out from the body. A few times my shirt has creeped into the holster. Same for mag pouches. Guidance needed here.
I would welcome ANY PF advice for starting USPSA.
I've dipped my toes into steel challenge and proper USPSA matches and, Lord help me, it seems there's no turning back. I shoot B with my beloved Poor Man's Roland (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?51496-DIY-G19-5-dot-comp&p=1449149&viewfull=1#post1449149) in Open/U. Great gun but I want a budget Carry Optics rig. I'm thinking:
Glock 17 or 47 MOS
Holosun 507 comp
OEM Performance trigger
OEM G17 mags with Taran +5/6 base
For holster, I've been using the CompTac International but I would prefer something further out from the body. A few times my shirt has creeped into the holster. Same for mag pouches. Guidance needed here.
I would welcome ANY PF advice for starting USPSA.
Your plan makes sense. I would go 47 over the 17, but that is splitting hairs. The Henning hangar works great with a Comp Tac International, and will allow you to optimally position it.
If you’re accustomed to shooting Glocks with your Roland it makes sense to stick with the same platform for CO. Can’t really comment on the trigger or optics choice, suffice to say I’ve been seeing a lot of Holosun Comps at my local matches ever since they came out.
Personally I run BOSS hangers on all my holsters. It is widely adjustable for height, cant, and with different spacers you can even adjust the amount of offset -however in CO the holster must position the gun to within 2 1/8” of the inside of the inner belt (unlike Open which is 3 38”).
As far as mag pouches I have belts setup with either the DAA Racers (plastic ones) or Ghost, with bullets facing out. I also run a magnet up front since we can.
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My Glock rig has a Comp Tac Int'l, Henning hangar, Linx belt with ratchet, DAA Racer mag pouches.
Clusterfrack
10-17-2023, 01:15 PM
...For holster, I've been using the CompTac International but I would prefer something further out from the body. A few times my shirt has creeped into the holster. Same for mag pouches. Guidance needed here.
I would welcome ANY PF advice for starting USPSA.
Garments fouling the holster: this is a common rookie issue, and you need to figure out how to eliminate it. For competition, the simple answer is to tuck your outerwear inside your belts. Always holster "slowly, deliberately, and reluctantly" while confirming that the holster is clear.
I recommend the Henning or Springer holster hangers over the Boss, unless you are female or very "large". The Boss has a cant adjustment that allows adjustment of the holster in the roll axis, which is often required for women with hips. But the Boss also hangs down, and hits the leg. It's uncomfortable and restrictive--especially if you run your holster towards the 2:00. For those of us who suffer from chronic asslessness GJM, there's no need to adjust the holster angle because our bodies are straight, so the simpler Henning or Springer hangers are best.
USPSA is really fun. I think you'll find people helpful and welcoming. Don't worry about being competitive for a while. You'll notice that the top shooters are super fast and accurate, but also remarkably relaxed. Trying to go fast leads to tension, and tension leads to all sorts of bad things when it comes to shooting. Shoot in your comfort zone, and you'll be surprised how soon your match placement starts moving up.
Garments fouling the holster: this is a common rookie issue, and you need to figure out how to eliminate it. For competition, the simple answer is to tuck your outerwear inside your belts. Always holster "slowly, deliberately, and reluctantly" while confirming that the holster is clear.
I recommend the Henning or Springer holster hangers over the Boss, unless you are female or very "large". The Boss has a cant adjustment that allows adjustment of the holster in the roll axis, which is often required for women with hips. But the Boss also hangs down, and hits the leg. It's uncomfortable and restrictive--especially if you run your holster towards the 2:00. For those of us who suffer from chronic asslessness GJM, there's no need to adjust the holster angle because our bodies are straight, so the simpler Henning or Springer hangers are best.
USPSA is really fun. I think you'll find people helpful and welcoming. Don't worry about being competitive for a while. You'll notice that the top shooters are super fast and accurate, but also remarkably relaxed. Trying to go fast leads to tension, and tension leads to all sorts of bad things when it comes to shooting. Shoot in your comfort zone, and you'll be surprised how soon your match placement starts moving up.
I thought I was (a) total ass.
ArgentFix enjoy the sport and a good attitude above all will help you improve. Hat cam can be helpful for review and squadding with A+ people can cut learning curve off.
Also note that the shooting part and the stage / gaming part are related but somewhat independently worked on and improved upon.
Assess those skills independently and work them independently for best balanced improvement otherwise you’ll plateau at the weakest link.
From a Glock standpoint, it’s reasonable to use a heavy flashlight with a Glock to counterbalance fully loaded mags and help recoil impulse. Also don’t be afraid to go weaker recoil spring if using weaker ammo for easier dot tracking and harmonious cycling.
Wake27
10-17-2023, 05:58 PM
I've dipped my toes into steel challenge and proper USPSA matches and, Lord help me, it seems there's no turning back. I shoot B with my beloved Poor Man's Roland (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?51496-DIY-G19-5-dot-comp&p=1449149&viewfull=1#post1449149) in Open/U. Great gun but I want a budget Carry Optics rig. I'm thinking:
Glock 17 or 47 MOS
Holosun 507 comp
OEM Performance trigger
OEM G17 mags with Taran +5/6 base
For holster, I've been using the CompTac International but I would prefer something further out from the body. A few times my shirt has creeped into the holster. Same for mag pouches. Guidance needed here.
I would welcome ANY PF advice for starting USPSA.
Any reason you're not considering the 34? I don't really compete, but I have shot competitions, usually with my Gen 4 RS. I haven't been able to get my G45 MOS RS to run reliably (I'm wondering if its the added weight of the FCD MOS plate) so I shot it without the comp in CO this past weekend but also bought a 34 to try as a more dedicated CO gun.
Any reason you're not considering the 34? I don't really compete, but I have shot competitions, usually with my Gen 4 RS. I haven't been able to get my G45 MOS RS to run reliably (I'm wondering if its the added weight of the FCD MOS plate) so I shot it without the comp in CO this past weekend but also bought a 34 to try as a more dedicated CO gun.
I run 11 pound springs in Gamer G45s and G34s when shooting gamer ammo. They also won't tolerate thumb slide draggers.
Why not just buy a different top end for the gun you have and take the mag well off?
Save yourself some $$ and use it to buy an SRO instead of the 507 comp🤷🏼*♂️?
I recommend the 47 or 17. Either will take you as far as you ever want to go in the sport.
I like the DAA XiP pouches because you can adjust them around a wider axis. I like to angle mine out away from the belt about 30 degrees to help match the angle my hand grabs them.
I prefer bladetech over comptac, but it's been years since I had a comptac.
All my Glocks have for triggers are minus connectors, pure tungsten guide rods, and brass grip plugs that I helped design from CH precision. For a trigger I'm using a minus connector, a 5# striker spring, lighter plunger spring, and extra power return spring. The performance trigger is good though and would work fine.
On a budget, id go with a ch precision comp optic.
Why not just buy a different top end for the gun you have and take the mag well off?
Save yourself some $$ and use it to buy an SRO instead of the 507 comp🤷🏼*♂️?
What do you like better about the SRO?
What do you like better about the SRO?
That should have said “instead of the CH comp”. Was a long day yesterday.
The 507 Comp is well liked by the guys I know who are running them. Only complaint is the dot size.
That should have said “instead of the CH comp”. Was a long day yesterday.
The 507 Comp is well liked by the guys I know who are running them. Only complaint is the dot size.
If they made a 507 Comp in a 5-6 MOA I'd be all in on it.
I have four of the 507 Comps and still prefer the SRO because of the reticle. I have no doubt that eventually Holosun will make a 507 Comp with a 5-6 MOA dot.
8 MOA is too large for my taste on far, small poppers.
DMF13
10-21-2023, 03:01 PM
If they made a 507 Comp in a 5-6 MOA I'd be all in on it.
I have four of the 507 Comps and still prefer the SRO because of the reticle. I have no doubt that eventually Holosun will make a 507 Comp with a 5-6 MOA dot.
8 MOA is too large for my taste on far, small poppers.I need to try a 5-6 MOA dot. I greatly prefer the 8MOA circle of my 407CO, over the 3MOA dots I've tried, but have yet to use a 5-6MOA dot. I doubt the 4MOA RXM-300 will be big enough, and I'm not willing to spend the $$$ for an SRO. "1st world problems." :cool:
https://youtu.be/BVWCL_heBFY?feature=shared
Crappy video because lightning conditions and insta go3. Not a bad day to test the optic, especially on white steel in a bright light. This was my first practice with a 507 Comp just last Monday. I had it on 8 min horseshoe with a small central dot on. Targets are two US mini poppers at about 20-22 yards. I like the optic so far. My draw needs work.
https://youtu.be/BVWCL_heBFY?feature=shared
Crappy video because lightning conditions and insta go3. Not a bad day to test the optic, especially on white steel in a bright light. This was my first practice with a 507 Comp just last Monday. I had it on 8 min horseshoe with a small central dot on. Targets are two US mini poppers at about 20-22 yards. I like the optic so far. My draw needs work.
I think standing dead still with no movement, 8MOA still is within the borders of the targets.
Shooting at 6 inch plate at 25 yards = 24 MOA.
Aiming at the central 4 inches to give some margin of target visual around the dot = 16 MOA with 4 MOA border.
Now add the wobble of entry, motion or wide transition and it eats up the available target visual border around the 8MOA.
If you were trying to hit the center 1/3 of the popper then you’re talking about the entire 8MOA and having to be dead still.
I personally have a harder time calling good shots and being precise when the reticle blots out the scoring borders.
You could run the experiment with a B8 black at 25 yards. It’s 5.5 inches so similar to a small popper. See if there’s any difference in 10 shot score using 8MOA circle dot versus 2MOA.
You might not notice much objective difference. I’m not sure how much it matters. But I know in the past with the larger DPP triangle I ran into issues with having to over confirm slivers of borders instead of floating confidently inside the scoring margins. YMMV.
Everything is a compromise. I have more issues with insufficient visual feedback on big close targets where the dot disappears within target's mass while I'm trying to shoot them fast and on the move. Large dot superimposing on a smaller target shot at a distance requiring stable platform has not been an issue so far. Before 507Comp I was using 8 MOA Alpha FTP. It is a crappy dot in its own rights but I've not had issues with the size.
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