Inforce WML Gen 2 - Users?

[rawkguitarist]

https://inforcelights.com/collections/rifle-white-light/products/rifle-light-black-400-lumens-1-5-hours-runtime

I’m about to replace my Gen 1 Inforce 200 Lumen WML on my SBR. And I just keep coming back to loving the form factor of it. Mounted on a 45 degree thorntail it’s so comfortable and easy to use. And it keeps this shorter rail comfortable and uncluttered. So I’m leaning toward the Gen 2 400 lumen model since this is my home defense rifle.

Not much about these on PF. Any users of the Inforce WML’s out there?

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[BK14]

There’s been a good bit of discussion on the WML over a few years. I’ve got one, but wouldn’t use it in “duty” capacity. Broken mounts, and various head separations have been regularly reported.

The streamlight RM1 is similar form factor, but a more durable platform. Still severely lacking on output though.

On a full-size handguard like that, a single cell scout style light should fit easily and ergonomically.

[dontshakepandas]

I've had a few Inforce lights break on me from pretty light use, and have seen way too many images of broken ones online to trust them for anything.

A Surefire X300 Turbo would do great mounted at 12:00 in front of your sight or a Surefire M340 Turbo with the included mlok mount would sit at about the exact same spot as the one in your picture, and either would provide significantly better light output and durability without taking up much more, if any, rail space.

[Beat Trash]

I tried the Inforce Gen 2, but sold it off. The main feature about it that attracted me to it was the 45 degree switch. I can get this from the Streamlight RM1&2.

While both of these, especially the Streamlight RM2, has enough light and throw for a home defense gun, they fell short of enough throw for a LEO Patrol Rifle. I needed more throw to cut through ambient light such as flood lights from a parking lot in order to push the light into a vehicle to see what the occupants were doing, and what they were doing it with.

I agree with what has been said about a Surefire 3000x turbo at the 12 o'clock position.

I am personally in the process of allocating funds to slowly replace my Surefire M300 scouts with the newer M340 DFT-PRO. They're not cheap. But too many years working nights ingrained in me the importance of a good light.

Even if you are not setting up a duty weapon, sometimes under stress of a home defense situation, it's possible that you may bang into something like a doorway. I would't trust an Inforce gen2 to still be attached if that were to happen.

[Clusterfrack]

rawkguitarist, I have a Inforce WMLx white/IR (https://www.brownells.com/gear/tactical-gear/flashlights-accessories/wmlx-whiteir-gen-2-lightweight-weapon-lights/) light on a 11.5" SBR.

The good: lightweight white/IR combo. WMLx version is decently bright in both spectra. Good ergos. Strobe can be disabled*. Good price.

The bad: less robust than aluminum lights, using it as a momentary-on light is difficult because it only takes a short-ish press to activate constant-on.


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*TO DISABLE THE STROBE FUNCTION
1. Unscrew the light head one revolution to the lockout position.
2. Press and hold the button/pressure switch.
3. While holding the button/pressure switch, tighten the head and then release the button.

[HCM]

Gen 2 is better (brighter / more durable) than the Gen 1 but still a bit fragile for duty use.

It’s the issued carbine light for the FBI for regular agent carbines. But that’s a “if it breaks, exchange it for a new one” application.

There is a Gen 3 coming so it might be worth waiting a bit. (Listed on optics planet as “back ordered.”)

I like the form factor so I hope the Gen 3 is more durable.

[HeavyDuty]

I’m very low speed and haven’t had problems with my pair of Gen2s. If they break, I’ll find something better.

[rawkguitarist]

rawkguitarist, I have a Inforce WMLx white/IR (https://www.brownells.com/gear/tactical-gear/flashlights-accessories/wmlx-whiteir-gen-2-lightweight-weapon-lights/) light on a 11.5" SBR.

The good: lightweight white/IR combo. WMLx version is decently bright in both spectra. Good ergos. Strobe can be disabled*. Good price.

The bad: less robust than aluminum lights, using it as a momentary-on light is difficult because it only takes a short-ish press to activate constant-on.


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*TO DISABLE THE STROBE FUNCTION
1. Unscrew the light head one revolution to the lockout position.
2. Press and hold the button/pressure switch.
3. While holding the button/pressure switch, tighten the head and then release the button.

Ah... that would be a deal breaker. Only way I'd run a light a carbine would be momentary - or of course, just as long as I want it on. My Inforces are Haley Strategic versions that can only do momentary.

For the robustness, I have 2 of these and have had no issues. And this SBR is really only for home use so I doesn't need to stand kicking in doors.

Maybe the Gen 3 will be able to fully lock the momentary function?

Thanks for responding guys!

[rawkguitarist]

I’m very low speed and haven’t had problems with my pair of Gen2s. If they break, I’ll find something better.

I'm an accountant, musician and a podcaster. Above average training... but very low speed too!

[crosseyedshooter]

Ah... that would be a deal breaker. Only way I'd run a light a carbine would be momentary - or of course, just as long as I want it on. My Inforces are Haley Strategic versions that can only do momentary.

For the robustness, I have 2 of these and have had no issues. And this SBR is really only for home use so I doesn't need to stand kicking in doors.

Maybe the Gen 3 will be able to fully lock the momentary function?

Thanks for responding guys!

If you’re looking at the white light only version, I believe it has a lever flips the functionality between momentary-only and tap-for-constant-on.

[Clusterfrack]

Ah... that would be a deal breaker. Only way I'd run a light a carbine would be momentary - or of course, just as long as I want it on. My Inforces are Haley Strategic versions that can only do momentary.

For the robustness, I have 2 of these and have had no issues. And this SBR is really only for home use so I doesn't need to stand kicking in doors.

Maybe the Gen 3 will be able to fully lock the momentary function?

Thanks for responding guys!

The Streamlight TLR RM2 looks like a possible alternative. Not sure about the controls for momentary.
https://www.streamlight.com/products/detail/tlr-rm2

https://www.streamlight.com/images/default-source/product-large-images/tlrrm2_04.jpg

[Paul Blackburn]

The feature start at 3:15 minutes;


https://youtu.be/-X1HMHJvG0Q?si=uvhiABJMnkRE_iHf

[rawkguitarist]

The Streamlight TLR RM2 looks like a possible alternative. Not sure about the controls for momentary.
https://www.streamlight.com/products/detail/tlr-rm2

https://www.streamlight.com/images/default-source/product-large-images/tlrrm2_04.jpg

Man, that looks like Streamlight's answer to the Inforce WML. I would buy one in a second if you could lock it into momentary only. I want to fully control the light and it's only on when I'm on the pressure switch. The TLR RM1/2's apparently only have control over momentary or constant within how you press the switch. Tap quickly for constant or hold it for momentary. That kinda makes sense... but the low light/darkness training I've been through, under pressure you use varying lengths of time on the switch. Including a quick "snapshot" with the light. I can see the switch modes not being locked in being a bad problem.

Now, if someone can tell me you can lock it on momentary only I'll order one right away. From the manual and the videos I don't see how you can lock it.

[rawkguitarist]

The Streamlight TLR RM2 looks like a possible alternative. Not sure about the controls for momentary.
https://www.streamlight.com/products/detail/tlr-rm2

https://www.streamlight.com/images/default-source/product-large-images/tlrrm2_04.jpg

Looking at how the pressure switch seems to work on youtube, I think I'm still going to try one out. I definitely trust Streamlight. I have multiple handheld lights and love them.

[Supercruise]

I've had a WML gen 2 on a budget HD build since late 2019. Its only had a handful of range trips, but for me and my purpose for this rifle, it works well and has held up. I wanted a simple switch setup, momentary only control (you can lock it into momentary only mode by flipping a lever on the left side of the light), decent light for close up (<25m), and ability to change batteries without removing the light (main drawback I had using X300s in the past).

I don't think the light is a great choice for patrol or field use due to what people have already said about its construction materials, but for the use case I have it on, I think its fine.

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[rawkguitarist]

So I got the Streamlight TLR RM2. It’s a great light and super bright. And the way the switch works with a tap for full on or press slightly longer for momentary works fine. But I quickly realized I preferred the Inforce form factor and function. So in the end, I got the Inforce WML Gen 2 single CR123 version with 400 lumens. It’s plenty bright for my primary purpose for this AR - home defense. The 1000 lumen RM2 MIGHT have been too bright. Stressing MIGHT.

The key to my decision is the size and shape of the light where the pressure switch is. There is a large enough difference when mounted it’s uncomfortable to press the RM2’s switch. The Inforce feels just right for this configuration. Note, my backup sight limits how far forward I can mount each light.

I do like that I can lock it in momentary only too.

I’ve tried to capture the side differences between the lights below.

Now, I do plan on putting the RM2 on my 14.5 inch lPVO carbine. Maybe add the pressure switch too. It is great light and design.

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