Recommendations For DA/SA Hammer-Fired Concealed Carry?

[RanVick]

Hello, looking to pickup a new CCW. I'm looking for a hammer-fired, DA/SA with a nice trigger and may be looking to add a Dot later. I also would like a threaded barrel. Probably 9mm but that's not set in stone. I have a Sig P365XL w/TB and carry it comfortably, I just would prefer what I've mentioned. Recommendations?

[TheNewbie]

P-07 or P-X4. I’m not sure how common threaded barrels are for them, but they are both great options.


The P-07 is like the Glock of the TDA world in my opinion. If it had been released in the late 90s/ early 2000s, it might have been the premier TDA option for agencies. It’s that good in my opinion. It still is probably the best TDA option for agency issue, but TDA is not the current trend. For better or worse.


The PX4 has more variety and there is tons of info about it here.

[Evil_Ed]

HK P30
CZ P07
CZ P01
Sig P229
Sig P226 (really not much bigger)

PX4 is off the list as there's no threaded barrel available for it; how it operates precludes it

There's really a ton of options in that space. I've gone through a bunch, and have pretty much settled on a P30L, however I'm slowly gravitating towards a P07 just because it's easier to put an optic on it. P229s can come ready to go out of the box with optics and threaded barrels, but for whatever reason I never shot them that well, despite really wanting to.

[Joe in PNG]

If flexing on the poors with your combat tupperware is more your game, there's a lot of love here for the various H&K LEM or TDA variations.

[Clusterfrack]

Hello, looking to pickup a new CCW. I'm looking for a hammer-fired, DA/SA with a nice trigger and may be looking to add a Dot later. I also would like a threaded barrel. Probably 9mm but that's not set in stone. I have a Sig P365XL w/TB and carry it comfortably, I just would prefer what I've mentioned. Recommendations?

I’ve settled on the P-07 with the CGW Prograde kit as my defensive handgun. I have 4 of them, 2 milled for a RDS. Threaded barrels are readily available from a couple vendors.

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I'll try to briefly sum up my reasons for preferring the P-07 over any other handgun, and also point out some possible reasons that a Glock might still be a better choice.

The Good:
The P-07 is a well-vetted NATO weapon made by one of the most well-established firearms companies. While it retains a few features and parts of the CZ-75, the action is a modern design. It has fewer parts than any TDA I am aware of, and is nearly Glock-simple. The fire control parts are Melonited, and more robust than Glock. The P-07 is very resistant to dirt and poor treatment. The MAC YouTube channel ran it through their Gauntlet torture test, and it was either 1st or 2nd place out of all handguns. I've treated some of my carry guns really poorly in snow, moon dust, and sand, and they never malfunctioned. It is also highly mechanically accurate, with a CHF barrel.

Aftermarket parts are readily available, and the CGW Prograde kit turns the P-07 into a truly world-class firearm. My DA pull is 7#, and the SA is 3#. Because of a clever design feature, you can tune the trigger weight of DA and SA independently.

I really like having a DA pull and an external hammer. At a recent NODS carbine course I took from PFC, it was so cold that I couldn't feel my hands. Honestly, if I hadn't had a decocker TDA pistol, I wouldn't have felt comfortable holstering my handgun during NODS transition drills.

The Bad:
Out of the box, the trigger pull is not great. With some break-in and lubrication, it gets better. But IMO an 11# DA weight is too heavy for life safety use because it affects accuracy. I address this with the CGW Prograde kit, and just reducing the hammer spring to 15# makes a huge difference.

The slide rides on an internal (inverted) rail, like all CZs. This helps a lot in lowering the bore axis, and with preventing dirt from getting in. But it makes slide manipulations more difficult, especially if you like racking from underneath in the front. People struggle. I rack using the optic or the top rear.

While detail stripping and installing aftermarket parts is vastly easier than any other TDA I've seen, there are roll pins and a very annoying decocker spring that make it more of a hassle than a Glock.

The firing pin retaining pin was designed by someone who didn't know about dryfire. If you dryfire the gun enough it will damage that pin and jam the firing pin. Fortunately, CGW makes an improved FP retaining pin that I have yet to destroy. And you can dryfire with an earplug or o-ring in the way.

While there are plenty of holsters for the P-07, it's not close to as standard as a Glock. It really is a hipster gun. A Glock with a SCD seems like a better choice for most people, and less expensive than a P-07 with a Prograde kit.

[Lon]

P-07. All the way.

I’ve carried all of Evil_Ed’s list but the P-01. The P-07 beats them all.

[HALO51]

HK USP Compact V7 Lite LEM 2019 Date Code.
GrayGuns Short Reset Kit
GrayGuns Flat Trigger
Nickel Flat Sear Spring
HK 45C Magazine Release
Kramer Horsehide IWB #4

Have quite a few different HK’s. This combination is so far the best combo. All work performed by James Williamson.

[D-der]

I'm trying to get a Shadow 2 compact out of my mind, I'm just finishing a Franken Macro, the last thing I need is another carry and the CZ is pricey but...might be worth a look, if it meets your criteria.

[WobblyPossum]

You mentioned you’re carrying a P365XL. Are you looking for a DA/SA gun that’s the same or similar size and capacity? Are you willing to accept a significantly larger gun? The HK P2000sk or P30sk and the Beretta PX4 Subcompact are the only currently produced, DA/SA, hammer fired pistols that are even close to the size of a P365XL. If you’re willing to accept a gun that’s Glock 19 sized or larger, then you have many more options.

[1911Nut]

CZ SDP-2 Compact, if you can find one.

[walker2713]

I have three, and one has been Cajunized. The top green one has not, but has 8lb DA and 4lb SA thru minimal dry fire and 600 rounds through it.

Great carry pistols and great shooting guns as well. I carry AIWB using a JMCK George and it’s very comfortable for me.

I would highly recommend the CZ P07.

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[RanVick]

Great feedback, keep it coming!

Interesting:

https://youtu.be/dcK724OMnPk

[Clusterfrack]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230930/998c265d703b66185b391e7cd26e5dfd.jpg

[JonInWA]

HK P30 in any of its variants should both meet your goals and be pretty bombproof.

Best, Jon

[Noah]

Someone else mentioned it, but a PX4/P07/P30 are all much larger to carry than a P365XL. Unless you specifically want to go larger, depending on your body type and carry method as well as belt and holster, don't underestimate how much of a factor that could be.

Aluminum frame guns like the Beretta 92 and Sig P229/226 are also heavy and chunky if you're used to a P365 or even a Glock.

If you want to stick to the P365XL size but want a DA/SA, consider a Glock 48 with an SCD and maybe even a NY trigger spring but lighter connector for a light DA style trigger. A Beretta 80X is another option. It is larger and wider than a 365XL, but it is still a little smaller than a true double stack DA/SA.

[Sero Sed Serio]

P2000. It’s the DA/SA G19 size-wise, absolutely boring in its out-of-the-box reliability, and less bouncy than the similarly-sized USPc due to the lighter slide.

[JSGlock34]

Why the threaded barrel? Can or comp?

[Bergeron]

I'll try to briefly sum up my reasons for preferring the P-07 over any other handgun, and also point out some possible reasons that a Glock might still be a better choice.



Maaann, I'm a person with Glocks, but if I ever weren't, everything about this post is striking.

[Navin Johnson]

Hello, looking to pickup a new CCW. I'm looking for a hammer-fired, DA/SA with a nice trigger and may be looking to add a Dot later. I also would like a threaded barrel. Probably 9mm but that's not set in stone. I have a Sig P365XL w/TB and carry it comfortably, I just would prefer what I've mentioned. Recommendations?

So what is your experience with TDA pistols?

What do you consider a “nice” trigger?

What is your price range considering one needs at least two and more realistically three copies of the same pistol? Also about $1500 for break in ammunition, defensive ammunition testing mags and holsters.

Why do you want a TDA? If it’s for safety reasons, what changed your mind from what you were carrying?

There is a range near me that has just about all of the mentioned above guns that one could rent and try. Do you have access to such a thing?

You may end up having to buy several and sell the ones you don’t like so you can figure out which works best for you. Much like automobiles and relationships everyone has different needs and sometimes you don’t know what they are until you try something out.

None of the above will carry like a 365 Just FYI

Good luck!

[RanVick]

Interesting:

https://youtu.be/eeoTQkLctM4

[RanVick]

https://cz-usa.com/product-category/handguns/75-compact-series/

[RanVick]

I haven't had a chance to put my hands on anything yet but the CZ 75 D PCR Compact (https://cz-usa.com/product/cz-75-d-pcr-compact/) is looking like it COULD meet my needs and is smaller than the P-01 or P-07.

[Sig_Fiend]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230930/998c265d703b66185b391e7cd26e5dfd.jpg

That pic says it all! ;)

I would say, objectively, the HK hammer guns in DA/SA (USP/USP Compact/P2000/P30) are simpler guns and a little more straightforward to assemble (they don't appear that way at first but they are). The P30 has 45 parts and the P2000 has 43 whereas the P-07 has 51. With the P-07, though, 4 of those parts are due to the removable front and rear inserts, which is a nice feature the HKs don't have. In comparison, Glocks have 30 parts. Same goes for classic SIGs (P229, etc) in terms of ease of assembly and they're at ~47 parts if using the E2 grips.

That said, and as a self-admitted lover of HK hammer guns and classic SIGs, I'll say none of what I said above honestly matters. ;) Considering the original stated need for a DA/SA that might have a RDS in the future, I think hands down the P-07 is probably the best choice. With aftermarket action mods, it can have a better DA pull than any HK by far. Also, there's no way around the fact that the P-07 has, IMO, the best aesthetics and ergonomics for RDS fitment. Little to no RDS overhang of the slide. Aftermarket cuts usually position them fairly deep so the height over bore doesn't get ridiculous and feel unnatural. No RDS adapter plate is required with a cut, which is a big plus IMO. On top of that, the slide is already low profile. Contrast that with an HK or a SIG and you're basically stacking a mailbox on top of a mailbox. I honestly can't think of another mainstream DA/SA hammer gun that has as sleek of an RDS fitment as the P-07.

Another bonus for the P-07. They can be found used as cheap as ~$350. HK's, if you're lucky you might find the occasional one used as cheap as ~$550 but most are $600+. Add a CGW pro upgrade kit to the P-07 and you're at or below the price of a good deal on an HK, with a trigger that will run circles around them.

[TicTacticalTimmy]

I haven't had a chance to put my hands on anything yet but the CZ 75 D PCR Compact (https://cz-usa.com/product/cz-75-d-pcr-compact/) is looking like it COULD meet my needs and is smaller than the P-01 or P-07.

The PCR is not going to carry smaller than a P01, it is identical except in size except lacking the light rail. The P07 is bigger than the P01 on paper, but they carry practically the same.

To echo everyone else, the P07 is the logical answer. Personally I love my P01 though, and if the extra $$ doesn't bother you I think you will make a great choice with the P01 or PCR.

Currently both P07s and P01s can be found for stupid low prices, not sure about the PCR.

I'll also add a curveball into the mix: Arex Delta. Basically a P229 clone with a few changes. They come from the factory with a red dot cut and threaded barrel and are very reasonably priced. Not sure how the factory triggerpull is and it would be bulkier than the above mentioned CZs.

[Wingate's Hairbrush]

OP, your options unfortunately are nil.

There are many outstanding DA/SAs out there; none is comparable in footprint and concealability to the current crop of high-cap micro 9s. Those of us who need a 365/Hellcat/Shield etc. sized pistol for truly concealed, year-round EDC, and prefer an action at rest, are SOL until a reputable firearms manufacturer committed to DA/SA makes one.

Assuming they ever do.

[Ichiban]

I haven't had a chance to put my hands on anything yet but the CZ 75 D PCR Compact (https://cz-usa.com/product/cz-75-d-pcr-compact/) is looking like it COULD meet my needs and is smaller than the P-01 or P-07.

I don't know that there is an appreciable size difference. https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/cz-p-01-vs-cz-75d-pcr-compact

I am a big fan of the P01. I like the ergonomics better than the P07 and I think that little bit of added weight in the full dust cover/light rail helps with recoil mitigation. If you have any mechanical aptitude, you can drop a CGW spring kit https://cajungunworks.com/product/54420-ultra-lite/ in it and make the trigger quite good. The the aftermarket support for the CZ 75 family is almost as big as the 1911 aftermarket.

[RanVick]

That's one good looking CZ P-01. I have a Holosun Green 507k ready for whatever I decide on... which VERY well could be a duplicate of the one shown in this video. :cool:


https://youtu.be/Cw2nQxIftHc

[MattyD380]

OP, your options unfortunately are nil.

There are many outstanding DA/SAs out there; none is comparable in footprint and concealability to the current crop of high-cap micro 9s. Those of us who need a 365/Hellcat/Shield etc. sized pistol for truly concealed, year-round EDC, and prefer an action at rest, are SOL until a reputable firearms manufacturer committed to DA/SA makes one.

Assuming they ever do.

One of the smallest DA/SA 9mm options I've tried, is the Bersa TPR9c--though still not quite as small as 365. I had one, and it seemed similar in size to an HK P2000SK, but slightly smaller and thinner. They're still being made and you can find one on GB, cheap. I didn't particularly love shooting mine. The recoil was harsh and I didn't get great accuracy from it. But... mine was reliable in the ~100 or so rounds I put through it.

https://arnzenarms.com/sites/default/files/product/rsr/BERTPR9CM_3.jpg

If you want to go "out-of-production" or sub 9mm, DA/SA options abound...

S&W 3913/14
S&W CS9
HS Produkt / Springfield XDe

Blowback DA/SA "sub 9s":

Walther PPK
Sig P230/P232
Makarov

Another respected small DA/SA single-stack is the Sig P239. I have several and they're wonderful shooters. And while P239s are smaller than P-07s/PCRs/PX4s, they're not vastly smaller; though the grip is nice and slender, which helps in concealment. But, again, out of production.

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[RanVick]

I did forget to mention I want a decocker as well.

[Joe in PNG]

I traded a Glock 19 for a Sig P239, and fell in love with it. This would be The Gun for me if it wasn't out of production, as noted above.

[Robert Mitchum]

I use 5 pistols for carry on different destination leaving my home.

Four are DA/SA triggers ... 3 Sig Legions the 226 ...229 or the 220 45 .
The other is a LTT P30L only striker fire is a P365-XMACRO TACOPS.
The legions all have the same triggers ...the LTT P30l has a very good trigger and is not hard to adjust to.

I am more of an HK fanboy, but the legions are the best shooting 9mm's for me.
In DA only I can score in the low 90's with the legions in slow fire on a B8 at 25 yards with Iron sights.

The 226 Legion is the best shooting 9mm I have ever owned.

They all have the updated coating.

Coming from 1911's I know accurate pistols I use to have 15 semi-custom 1911's ...I am not on the level for shooting fast as many on this forum, but I know accurate handguns.
The Legions or the LTT P30 or P30L are fantastic for edc ... I live in a free State the 226 Legion is not that hard for me to hide OWB.

[MattyD380]

P99s are striker-fired pistols, but have DA/SA triggers with decockers. And... said triggers are fantastic in both SA and DA. In some ways, the SA pull on the P99 is better than what's on the PPQ/PDP that replaced it; in my opinion, it's crisper and shorter on the P99. The DA pull is also very smooth and manageable. My P99s have been fantastic shooters.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/620033fd78f5b0602e9defd6/c4a33872-5368-4c6a-95e4-715550ddddca/image6.jpeg?format=2500w

The Final Edition P99s are on sale now, all over GB. And, if you look, you can find used P99 Compacts (on the left, above).

They're not exactly thin. But they're lightweight. And the P99C is generally Glock 26-sized in all dimensions.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/620033fd78f5b0602e9defd6/1672880065345-ULSZABF8T5SGPTWVI0HI/image10.jpeg?format=2500w

Also, Canik makes very good P99 clones (TP9 series) from what I hear... which retain the decocker element. There are also Magnum Research P99s which are partially made by Walther and whoever makes MR stuff in Israel.

[Borderland]

I traded a Glock 19 for a Sig P239, and fell in love with it. This would be The Gun for me if it wasn't out of production, as noted above.

One of these days people will discover the P239 again. Amazing that people still are looking for those even though they were never that popular when they were in production. I had a hard time warming up to mine but I now have two.

Somebody here let one get away.

[GT87]

P99s are striker-fired pistols, but have DA/SA triggers with decockers. And... said triggers are fantastic in both SA and DA. In some ways, the SA pull on the P99 is better than what's on the PPQ/PDP that replaced it; in my opinion, it's crisper and shorter on the P99. The DA pull is also very smooth and manageable. My P99s have been fantastic shooters.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/620033fd78f5b0602e9defd6/c4a33872-5368-4c6a-95e4-715550ddddca/image6.jpeg?format=2500w

The Final Edition P99s are on sale now, all over GB. And, if you look, you can find used P99 Compacts (on the left, above).

They're not exactly thin. But they're lightweight. And the P99C is generally Glock 26-sized in all dimensions.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/620033fd78f5b0602e9defd6/1672880065345-ULSZABF8T5SGPTWVI0HI/image10.jpeg?format=2500w

Also, Canik makes very good P99 clones (TP9 series) from what I hear... which retain the decocker element. There are also Magnum Research P99s which are partially made by Walther and whoever makes MR stuff in Israel.

I got a P99 final edition and I absolutely love it. It is quickly becoming my favorite firearm.

I really hope I can find a P99C.

That being said, OP wants to be able to mount a red dot, which is not going to be possible on the P99.

[Bucky]

One of these days people will discover the P239 again. Amazing that people still are looking for those even though they were never that popular when they were in production. I had a hard time warming up to mine but I now have two.

Somebody here let one get away.

I had a beautiful 2 tone P239 in .40. I let it go since I felt recoil was more harsh than my current at the time EDC, a Glock 27. One of those I wish I had kept.

[CSW]

One of these days people will discover the P239 again. Amazing that people still are looking for those even though they were never that popular when they were in production. I had a hard time warming up to mine but I now have two.

Somebody here let one get away.

Some many years ago, I loaned my dad my P6, and forgot about it. It's an 80's vintage, mismatched slide, but bbl and frame match.
Before his passing, he returned it.
TDA single stack, this gets the nod from me.

I've recently discovered the PX4. Liking on it very much. Just bought 2.

[psalms144.1]

I heard a COMPLETELY unconfirmed rumor that CZ intends to release Optics Ready versions of nearly all their pistol line "soon." An OR P07 would be a great option, IMHO.

My favorite compact 9mm DA/SA of all time is the P2000, but it's strictly a custom mill proposal. My dream DA/SA pistol would be a P2000 with an MOS-style mounting system that let me put a Holosun SCS on it, or a direct mount EPS. Of course, if it came from the factory with a DA trigger that didn't suck donkey balls, that would be nice as well.

[MolonLabe416]

The now discontinued SiG P225a1 is far and away my favorite single stack DA/SA. Both of mine are laser accurate and 100% reliable. They also fit my hand very well.

Note the 225a1 is not the same pistol as the 225/P6. Nothing interchanges between the two. The a1 has a much nicer trigger.

[MattyD380]

The now discontinued SiG P225a1 is far and away my favorite single stack DA/SA. Both of mine are laser accurate and 100% reliable. They also fit my hand very well.

Note the 225a1 is not the same pistol as the 225/P6. Nothing interchanges between the two. The a1 has a much nicer trigger.

The P225A1 is basically a P239 with a different grip. The slides, barrels and most small parts interchange, as far as I know. The mags are the same except for the base plate. As a P239 fan, I’ve always wanted to try one. If I ever see one for a decent price… I’d grab it.

[JAH 3rd]

I bought a Walther P99 AS final edition a couple of months ago. I bought this F/E not because I wanted this model, but because I procrastinated and all the standard black pistols were sold. Oh well. It was a want versus need battle I was having between my ears.

In my only outing, I fired a combination of 200 rounds of NATO, JHP, and FMJ. 100% function. This is my first Walther. First impression is that this is a quality build. Push down on the barrel hood and there is absolutely no movement. A bit of lateral play between the front frame rails and slide. Rear frame rails have no play with the slide. For me, the slide stop could us a bit more of a shelf. Not a deal breaker by any means. The trigger guard has been relieved where it intersects with frame.

I had to move the rear sight 2 or 3 clicks to the right to center my groups. As someone who grew up on S&W K-frame adjustable sights, the slot in the screw head of this sight could have a been a bit deeper to better fit the screwdriver.

I know this thread is about a hammer fired DA/SA pistol. This striker-fired Walther in DA mode offers not only a longer trigger pull, but the poundage is there too. This D/A pull is similar to my stock H&K P2000. You have to purposely pull this trigger to fire that first shot. The S/A trigger pull is hit the wall, then a clean release.

For me and my comfort level, this Walther in D/A mode mimics a hammer-fired pistol in D/A mode. Yeah, I could carry this pistol. Hammer-fired, either my PX4 Storm compact or P2000.

[KevH]

I just got a chance to handle a black LE SIG P229 Legion with a RomeoX optic at the IACP trade show in San Diego a few weeks ago. Holy smokes! I want one!

[Nick B]

Arms Unlimited has Sig M11A1’s on sale for $895.00 .

[FreedomFries]

I just got a chance to handle a black LE SIG P229 Legion with a RomeoX optic at the IACP trade show in San Diego a few weeks ago. Holy smokes! I want one!

No ragrets on mine. Awesome gun except for the beavertail and the texture on the Legion grips being not aggressive enough, especially at the top.

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