PTR 91

[RONK]

Hi,does anyone have any experience with PTR 91's?Very long ago I had an HK 91and regret selling it.I know PTR makes a 16" and 18",also a polymer lower and a metal lower.thank you.

[Dov]

Buddy of mine that works part time at a gun shop ~45 minutes away has a couple PTR rifles and he likes them, I haven't had a chance to shoot his (he is a workaholic & schedules haven't matched up) but I'd asked him some years ago because I was real interested in the PTR 32 line (7.62x39) and he said should be fine he hadn't any issues with his. Think he had 308 and maybe 223?

[fatdog]

Had a PTR91, shot the hell out of it, probably 3K rounds, it ran flawlessly including every sort of euro suprlus I fed it. It grouped ok, 2-3 moa, but I did not have a magnified optic on it on it so who knows. I sold it because I simply do not like the HK design. It felt awkward to me compared to an AR10, seemed to be imbalanced and lots of sharp edges. I hated cleaning the thing and it would not run much more than 300 rounds before it was so dirty it was hard to retract the bolt.

Mine came with a metal trigger pack but I moved the components to a polymer version. A guy named Bill Springfield in Colorado Springs did a trigger job on my trigger pack and it greatly improved the trigger.


A close friend has a registered fleming sear and has a trigger pack he inserts along with an HK full auto bolt carrier and he has had great success with his PTR91 in full auto. Thing is they are a bitch to rebarrel, need a 30 ton press to press the new barrel into the trunion and receiver, so I am told, so he does not do 50 round drum mag dumps lest he burn that one up.

[Bigghoss]

I did some reading about them before ording one myself. They have a pretty good reputation and are liked. Mine has been perfect but I only have maybe 400 rounds through it.

[1slow]

Back in the1980s I shot HK91s a lot. Very reliable and accurate clean or dirty. Had the HK scope mount.
Clumsy and nose heavy. Crappy trigger. Williams could fix that.
As reliable a 7.62 x 51 as I have ever had. I have had 7.62 Galils, AR 10, M1A, FALs.

Went to FN FAL / FAL PARA for better ergonomics and never looked back. Easier to work on as well.
When ammo was $160/1000 , some years I shot 10,000 rounds through FALs.

[Paul D]

https://imgur.com/Izxz7hD

Hi,does anyone have any experience with PTR 91's?Very long ago I had an HK 91and regret selling it.I know PTR makes a 16" and 18",also a polymer lower and a metal lower.thank you.

I have a 91GI with a picatinny rail. It is as accurate as you can expect from a G3. Reliability and fit/finish was good. It has a fluted chamber so brass recovery is a no-go. I think it is a very good value if your want a HK91 clone.

https://i.imgur.com/Izxz7hD.jpg

https://imgur.com/Izxz7hD

[1slow]

If you put a case buffer by HK on it brass is not dented. I never had any troubles reloading for my HK 91.

[Paul D]

If you put a case buffer by HK on it brass is not dented. I never had any troubles reloading for my HK 91.

Do you have a recommendation for available buffers? What about those deep flutes on the cases? Those things seem hard to correct with resizing.

[jeep45238]

No issues from mine that hasn't been ammo related (shooting steel case through it, cost effective and no worries on being hard on brass). One failure to feed. Still sends the empty cases over 20 yards with Wolf/Tula ammo.

It's an older one with a pic rail that I sent out to have milled for a paddle release. Diopter rear sight is functional and durable, get the armorer's tool for it if you plan on staying with irons, as zeroing is extremely difficult without it. 100 yard/battle sight sight picture takes a moment to understand, but is essentially a mechanical Eotech once you understand it. The diopter rear sight maxes out at 400m. Eventually I'd like to get a FFP optic on it and be able to get the distance out of it.

I do have the Magpul grip and safety on mine, along with an extended charging handle. I'd recommend all 3 of them. Mine has their old rail system that you bolt chunks of pic rail, and I'm leaning towards swapping out for a wide polymer forearm at some point in the future.

From what I understand, it's not a gun you want to switch between surpressed and unsupressed, as the locking wedge in the block needs a totally different angle to keep from beating the gun up.

Timmy makes a trigger unit for the MP5 that will work with these with swapping over a few parts, and I'm considering one if I stumble across one on mega-sale. My factory trigger is mushy and 8lbs or so in weight, but it's still a 4 MOA shooter with cheap steel case and irons (my eyes aren't that good anymore).

[HCM]

Re: Ergonomics

There are a few things which can help the ergonomics and overall experience of shooting the G3.

The two biggest are:

- the Spuhr stock

- the magpul extended safety


https://youtu.be/goyWcmsDL04?si=FYO5e-N6KB30srrx


https://youtu.be/T_HW-76iNo8?si=Q2J9EPKRRFrc30at


https://youtu.be/6wrwjYCrWBU?si=qJg6QHMMLXJYRa_G


https://youtu.be/PbWygXnAmEY?si=LnaTqgk144sC-oiA

[1slow]

Do you have a recommendation for available buffers? What about those deep flutes on the cases? Those things seem hard to correct with resizing.

With my HK 91, circa 1980s , all I had were black streaks from the gas not flutes that I could feel. Shot only brass case.

[Paul D]

With my HK 91, circa 1980s , all I had were black streaks from the gas not flutes that I could feel. Shot only brass case.

Okay, maybe the chambers are different. This representative picture shows what my gun does to brass (besides denting it and launching it 25 yards away).

109088

[Dov]

No issues from mine that hasn't been ammo related (shooting steel case through it, cost effective and no worries on being hard on brass). One failure to feed. Still sends the empty cases over 20 yards with Wolf/Tula ammo.

It's an older one with a pic rail that I sent out to have milled for a paddle release. Diopter rear sight is functional and durable, get the armorer's tool for it if you plan on staying with irons, as zeroing is extremely difficult without it. 100 yard/battle sight sight picture takes a moment to understand, but is essentially a mechanical Eotech once you understand it. The diopter rear sight maxes out at 400m. Eventually I'd like to get a FFP optic on it and be able to get the distance out of it.

I do have the Magpul grip and safety on mine, along with an extended charging handle. I'd recommend all 3 of them. Mine has their old rail system that you bolt chunks of pic rail, and I'm leaning towards swapping out for a wide polymer forearm at some point in the future.

From what I understand, it's not a gun you want to switch between surpressed and unsupressed, as the locking wedge in the block needs a totally different angle to keep from beating the gun up.

Timmy makes a trigger unit for the MP5 that will work with these with swapping over a few parts, and I'm considering one if I stumble across one on mega-sale. My factory trigger is mushy and 8lbs or so in weight, but it's still a 4 MOA shooter with cheap steel case and irons (my eyes aren't that good anymore).

You mention steel cases ammo, is yours a 7.62x39? I only ask because that's one I've looked at buying several times and only wonder about feed reliability since it uses AK Pmags IIRC.

[jeep45238]

You mention steel cases ammo, is yours a 7.62x39? I only ask because that's one I've looked at buying several times and only wonder about feed reliability since it uses AK Pmags IIRC.

No, mine is .308.

Generally speaking I try to maintain calibers that are native to the platform for ease of life, after experimenting with Soviet surplus 5.45 in ar’s and rimless pistol ammo in revolvers.

The three exceptions I have is my 9x19 1911, which needed some work from Dan Wesson to be reliable to my expectations, a PWS piston AR to mitigate gas to the face (it essentially is only shot suppressed), and a BRN-180 for a pack gun (could argue since the receiver isn’t a 180).

[HCM]

You mention steel cases ammo, is yours a 7.62x39? I only ask because that's one I've looked at buying several times and only wonder about feed reliability since it uses AK Pmags IIRC.

There are several imported steel case .308 loads on the market and Hornady previously offered a .308 steel Match load.

The PTR-32s I’ve seen have all functioned reliably.

[1slow]

Okay, maybe the chambers are different. This representative picture shows what my gun does to brass (besides denting it and launching it 25 yards away).

109088

None of the HK 91s I shot (6+) did that.

[Dov]

There are several imported steel case .308 loads on the market and Hornady previously offered a .308 steel Match load.

The PTR-32s I’ve seen have all functioned reliably.

Thanks.

Now if I could just increase cashflow some more I might actually be able to budget for one sooner than 3-4 years

[jeep45238]

Thanks.

Now if I could just increase cashflow some more I might actually be able to budget for one sooner than 3-4 years

See sig tagline...... :)

[RONK]

Thank you all for your help.Do you all have an opinion on the PTR113 GIRK(surplus furniture,metal lower) vs. the PTR114 A3SK (new furniture,polymer lower),both are 16"?thank you.
Ron

[jeep45238]

Thank you all for your help.Do you all have an opinion on the PTR113 GIRK(surplus furniture,metal lower) vs. the PTR114 A3SK (new furniture,polymer lower),both are 16"?thank you.
Ron

Honestly, I'd try and shoot one before you buy, to have an idea if you are okay with the factory stock/grip/safety/etc.. If you find it's awkward to reach the trigger, manipulate the safety, etc., and are planning on swapping them out, then whichever one you find at the cheaper price.

I got mine for a song from a range who was selling off their rentals - the Scar 17S was shot a ton, the M1A a bit, and the PTR91 hardly at all - and let's face it, it's not in video games, so if folks are spending the coin anyway, they're shooting the Scar. I got mine for $600 in 2022.

A surplus stock cost me $8 and let me see the sights, and sending it off for a paddle mag release cost about $200 going off memory, and I think the grip/safety cost about $80.

Even modifying the gun and buying parts I'm way ahead buying new.

[RONK]

Honestly, I'd try and shoot one before you buy, to have an idea if you are okay with the factory stock/grip/safety/etc.. If you find it's awkward to reach the trigger, manipulate the safety, etc., and are planning on swapping them out, then whichever one you find at the cheaper price.

I got mine for a song from a range who was selling off their rentals - the Scar 17S was shot a ton, the M1A a bit, and the PTR91 hardly at all - and let's face it, it's not in video games, so if folks are spending the coin anyway, they're shooting the Scar. I got mine for $600 in 2022.

A surplus stock cost me $8 and let me see the sights, and sending it off for a paddle mag release cost about $200 going off memory, and I think the grip/safety cost about $80.

Even modifying the gun and buying parts I'm way ahead buying new.

[RONK]

jeep45238 thank you,i had an HK 91 in the late 80's and liked it a lot,hindsight being 20/20 I'm sorry that I sold it.As I remember,it was $479(AUG's were $679 and M1A's and FN LAR's were $1,000).

[jeep45238]

jeep45238 thank you,i had an HK 91 in the late 80's and liked it a lot,hindsight being 20/20 I'm sorry that I sold it.As I remember,it was $479(AUG's were $679 and M1A's and FN LAR's were $1,000).

Works out to about 1360 in today's dollars for a 91.

[NuJudge]

I find the PTR to be just fine as-is, and good magazines are very cheap. Without a change of stock, it is hard to put optics on. The fluted chamber makes fired cases look awful, but does snot impair releasability. Bill Springfield does good work on triggers. I put an early wood stock on mine.