Here's a different take on a revolver speedloader

[41magfan]

https://www.kaztac.com/product-page/the-wrapid-loader-system

[Daniel Watters]

Looks like a good way to spring your crane/yoke.

The base idea tracks back to Thomas A. Milmore's patent of the early 1930s. There was a more recent variant from South America in the late 1980s.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US1891437A
https://patents.google.com/patent/US4862622A

[jtcarm]

I fail to see what that’s going to do to a crane than any other SL.

For a weak-hand reloader like me (feels natural), it’s hard to keep the heel of my strong hand out of the way. The little tab/whatever would keep the heel of the weak hand away from things.

Yeah, I know, learn strong hand. I never could get the hang having SLs & gun on same side. Either SLs get in the way of my draw, or holster gets in the way grabbing an SL.

[jh9]

Man forget the wrap thing, has anyone actually used any of those new made in Japan SL Variant speedloaders? This place claims to have them in stock. I'm getting scammer vibes from the site, but it's not one of the "lol pay in Zelle" types. They're using wix. Is this place actually legit?

[03RN]

I think the motion of pulling a hand away from the gun is counter productive of efficient reloading.

[Lester Polfus]

I have a sick fascination with the idea of trying new speedloaders, but so far everything I have bought that wasn't a Safariland Comp has wound up in my Box Of Bad Ideas.

[luckyman]

I think the motion of pulling a hand away from the gun is counter productive of efficient reloading.


I think the motion of pulling a hand away from the gun is counter productive of efficient reloading.

Sure, but for this thing to make sense I think you need to be comparing it to a speed strip…..I wonder if this would make more sense with an inside-the-pocket holder with a pocket clip?

[Crazy Dane]

I've watched the videos, too many moving parts and springs and the possibility of dislodging cartridges while removing from the pouch makes this a no-go at this station. I have Comp Is or IIs and HKS twisties that work well enough for my needs.

[Radar Love]

Even if I could get past the website’s red flags, needing the cylinder to spin freely during the reload is a deal breaker for me.

Also, while I can’t confirm that this is the same product, this looks similar and links to a Japanese based eBay seller. The product itself is made in China. http://www.wrapidloader.com/

[Shawn Dodson]

I carry an LCR .327 Mag with two HKS speedloaders and a strip speed loader. Pretty easy with cargo shorts.

[TCinVA]

I have a sick fascination with the idea of trying new speedloaders, but so far everything I have bought that wasn't a Safariland Comp has wound up in my Box Of Bad Ideas.

Same.

They just work so damned well that I end up tossing anything else I try.

[oregon45]

Same.

They just work so damned well that I end up tossing anything else I try.

Same here. One advantage to the Safariland style speed loaders is that, with the way your hands are positioned during operation, you stand a decent chance of catching or trapping any rounds that fall loose. With the device pictured above, it appears that any round that gets loose is going right into the dirt.

[eb07]

Good concept, poor execution to unload. I will stick with Jetloaders, comp II and SL Variants depending upon the revolver. With the SL Variants being my goto.

[Stephanie B]

Even if I could get past the website’s red flags, needing the cylinder to spin freely during the reload is a deal breaker for me.

Yeah, I can see someone not ensuring that the cylinder isn't spinning when they close the cylinder, banging into the bolt.

[klbsa]

Who spread this silly notion that if you spin an open cylinder WHILE THE CYLIDER IS OPEN that it hurts the gun in any way? Internet revolver bro science is ridiculous.

[richiecotite]

Man forget the wrap thing, has anyone actually used any of those new made in Japan SL Variant speedloaders? This place claims to have them in stock. I'm getting scammer vibes from the site, but it's not one of the "lol pay in Zelle" types. They're using wix. Is this place actually legit?

I ordered a few for my gp100 last night. I’ll post some results whenever they get in.


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[klbsa]

Man forget the wrap thing, has anyone actually used any of those new made in Japan SL Variant speedloaders? This place claims to have them in stock. I'm getting scammer vibes from the site, but it's not one of the "lol pay in Zelle" types. They're using wix. Is this place actually legit?

Yes its Legit and shipping is uber fast.

[jh9]

Yes its Legit and shipping is uber fast.

Indeed!

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Haven't had a chance to try them out yet but they are in fact shipping product. More academic for me than anything I guess since my 7-shot Ls are cut for moonclips but hey. They're out there.

My very limited experience with the original product was a long time ago so I can't really offer a direct comparison.

[klbsa]

Indeed!

Haven't had a chance to try them out yet but they are in fact shipping product. More academic for me than anything I guess since my 7-shot Ls are cut for moonclips but hey. They're out there.

My very limited experience with the original product was a long time ago so I can't really offer a direct comparison.

I had a German made 7 shot a long time ago..... I can say these Japanese ones have stiffer springs for sure. I have 2 of the kaztac.com ones with extensions for my Jframe and two 6 rounders for my k frame and Ruger Six Series.

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These blow away the safariland speed loaders IMO

[jh9]

Sadly the 7-shot version doesn't seem to play nice with Hogue grips. I believe there's some adjustability built in?

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Haven't gotten that far yet. The 7-shot HKS loaders tend to have substantially less wobble than the 6-shot versions. These have even less. Almost feel like starline brass in the appropriate thickness TK moonclip. If there were any less wobble I wouldn't think you'd be able to load them at all.

[klbsa]

Same here. One advantage to the Safariland style speed loaders is that, with the way your hands are positioned during operation, you stand a decent chance of catching or trapping any rounds that fall loose. With the device pictured above, it appears that any round that gets loose is going right into the dirt.

Negative..... I've carried 2 of them almost every day for 5 months for my k frame and Ruger security six (yes I'm that guy who conceals a full sized 6 shooter). I have sat and watched TV using them over and over and over to get quick with them..... They work like magic and they will only drop the rounds when pulled. You could fling them around all day and they will hold the rounds. Plus the leather holsters are pretty good quality.

The con of them is that you will have to practice at least a good dozen times to get proficient. Like pretty much everything gun related. But at this point I can load my revolvers faster with them than everything else except the SL Variant.

Once you carry the wrapid loaders on your belt for a few days you realize how much carrying round speed loaders sucks in comparison......and you will come to realize that speed strips are nothing but SLOW strips from now on. I do still have speed strips for my 5 shot revolvers though.... and they fit quite nicely and securely in the wrapid loader leather case as a bonus.

[klbsa]

Sadly the 7-shot version doesn't seem to play nice with Hogue grips. I believe there's some adjustability built in?

Haven't gotten that far yet. The 7-shot HKS loaders tend to have substantially less wobble than the 6-shot versions. These have even less. Almost feel like starline brass in the appropriate thickness TK moonclip. If there were any less wobble I wouldn't think you'd be able to load them at all.

There is some adjustability.... You can spin that little knob in the center to bring it in and out But if you adjust it too much they will spread the rounds out too far and the retention clips wont hold them super secure anymore. (its intended purpose is to adjust the spread to fit multiple firearms). The key to your issue is getting an extension. Even in your configuration if you give it a firm enough push it will hit the plunger and go.

I don't do the "Switch hands" reload. I find it's only faster with twist knob style loaders like HKS (which are totally out-classed by everything else now). so if you load with your non dominant hand and push on the loader with you dominant hand's thumb it works fast and efficiently..... With the extension it is too easy.

[JAH 3rd]

Decades ago, in my LE days, ammo dump pouches were the order of the day. Some officers had the open face ammo carriers.

I decided to carry a couple of speedloaders. I purchased Safariland speedloaders, the version they now call the Comp 1. This for my S&W model 66. The Safariland speedloader carrier I purchased has the model number 350-2. I was served well with this combo.

I eventually purchased a Bianchi breakfront holster, #2800, "The Judge". It was a different critter for sure but it did what it was designed to do.

https://revolverguy.com/fighting-leather-the-breakfront-part-ii/

Thanks for the memories this thread allowed to relive!! Oh, I also bought in an in-car Streamlight rechargeable flashlight. Really lit up the night.

[jh9]

if you give it a firm enough push it will hit the plunger and go.

You can push hard enough to compress the (rubber) grip material and they will. If I were still active in IDPA on a 6-shot gun I might consider relieving the grips, if they turned out to be faster in back-to-back drills compared to bubberized comp3s. But as-is for a 7-shot gun I don't think it matters that much. The only place they're even remotely competitive is steel challenge where you don't reload on the clock. Moonclips and inexpensive HKS loaders are fine for that.

Academic for me, but I've wanted an SL-Variant speedloader since I saw one in person and found out they were discontinued. Happy to scratch that itch.

[klbsa]

TFB has an article on it.....

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/08/30/wrapid-loader-kaztac-revolver/

[Bucky]

I’m confused, none of the pictures posted by PF members look anything like the product in the OP.

[Stephanie B]

Yes its Legit and shipping is uber fast.

They look interesting (https://www.slvariant.com/shop/?product_orderby=name&product_view=list), but are they twice as good as a Safariland Comp II (https://www.brownells.com/gear/range-gear/speedloaders-accessories/comp-ii-speedloader/)?

[jh9]

They look interesting (https://www.slvariant.com/shop/?product_orderby=name&product_view=list), but are they twice as good as a Safariland Comp II (https://www.brownells.com/gear/range-gear/speedloaders-accessories/comp-ii-speedloader/)?

For IDPA or (I guess?) ICORE where the incremental difference in reload times still matter, but matter a lot? I think so. I think they would be worth benchmarking against whatever you're using now.

For competition only... having not used the SL-Variant back-to-back against other speedloaders on the clock: Compared to a comp 2? My guess is yes, unequivocally. Compared to a comp 3? My guess is yes, most likely. Compared to a Bubberized Comp 3? My guess is... IDK. I'd want to see the timer to know for sure. I feel like it would be close. But having not actually done the comparison I could be wildly off the mark.

Comparison pic of a Comp 3 I guess I hadn't broken yet*, a Comp 3 that has been Bubberized and the new SL-Variant:

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The problem I consistently had with stock Comp 3s was breaking off one of the teeth and the sleeve around the spring holding grit. This could in time make them glitchy and they could behave unpredictably after release with only 2 of the 3 plastic teeth still attached. Bubber over on Benos had a modification that involved knocking out the roll pin, fully disassembling the loader (which it really wasn't designed to do) then sanding down the "cup" that held the cartridges to being just tall enough to hold them in place. I don't remember what the width was - I feel like when we did it we did it to an actual known number but maybe it was just "close enough". There's a ton of info on benos to be had if you want to go looking. This was a long time ago.

This was the final product:

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This, which I went an fished out of a footlocker of my old IDPA shit, still feels smooth and not at all glitchy. Compared to the SL-Variant, I would want to see the timer. Maybe they are better. If I were doing it today at this point in my career I'd absolutely trade the $$$ for the time invested in modifying the speedloaders. But that is a subjective call.

Also notice the difference in the 'height' of the cup that holders the cartridges. It's less obvious in the first pic, but it's why the factory stock monogrips works just fine with HKS and even stock Safariland speedloaders but doesn't with the SL-Variant. Take that into account or at least buy no more than one of the SL-Variants before shooting drills on the clock with your own actual gear. People spend more on 2011 magazines to be sure, but if you're right handed you might have to modify your grips in a way that makes them sub-optimal. Which further clouds the issue to which is better overall, because even if the loader is better if it compromises your grips then it might be a wash or a net-negative.

(it has all 3 teeth, just noticed pic doesn't show the 3rd)

[Jim Watson]

There is an extension handle for the SL that would give you more to grab.

[Half Moon]

For IDPA or (I guess?) ICORE where the incremental difference in reload times still matter, but matter a lot? I think so. I think they would be worth benchmarking against whatever you're using now.

FWIW, the only extensive side by side speedloader comparison I know of:

https://revolverguy.com/what-is-the-best-revolver-speedloader/

Definitely interested in the SL Variants but pretty stocked up on JetLoaders and the website for the SL clones leaves me wary...

[Exiledviking]

With the Safariland speed loaders I sometimes have a hard time getting them to release the rounds in my Ruger Super Redhawk. Does anyone here use the extractor rod to release the rounds from a Safariland when they won't release? I'm afraid of damaging the crane when I have to push firmly on the Safariland speed loader to release the rounds.

[klbsa]

I just wish there was an SL variant (and a wrapped loader)for my 8 shot redhawk....... five star is the only company that makes one worth a crap..... but they are the slow twist and drop style...... The speed bees one is useless.

[klbsa]

I’m confused, none of the pictures posted by PF members look anything like the product in the OP.

Yeah.....We are talking about the other style they sell too..... The Wrapid Loader is the zip chain style one from the op..... The ones in our pics are the SL Variant which is legendary from years ago and impossible to find until now apparently...... The SL Variant works like the Safari land but isn't made if cheap 2mil plastic like the safariland........andd each round gets its own spring in the SL Variants instead of one giant spring like the safariland.

[Stephanie B]

With the Safariland speed loaders I sometimes have a hard time getting them to release the rounds in my Ruger Super Redhawk. Does anyone here use the extractor rod to release the rounds from a Safariland when they won't release? I'm afraid of damaging the crane when I have to push firmly on the Safariland speed loader to release the rounds.

I use my index finger when I need to unload one of those critters.

[Stephanie B]

FWIW, the only extensive side by side speedloader comparison I know of:

https://revolverguy.com/what-is-the-best-revolver-speedloader/

Definitely interested in the SL Variants but pretty stocked up on JetLoaders and the website for the SL clones leaves me wary...

I have at least 8 Comp-IIs and an equal number of HKSs for K and L frame .38/.357s, so unless these things are the Greatest Things Since Sliced Bread for speedloaders, I'm going to pass. Maybe if I was anything above a U-class shooter, a tenth or two-tenths of a second improvement per reload might be worth the squeeze. But I'm not and it isn't.

[JAH 3rd]

Just a bit of history here.

https://revolverguy.com/blast-past-popular-police-speedloaders-1970s/

[md8232]

Just checking that the https://www.slvariant.com (https://www.slvariant.com/shop/) site is GTG.
Those who have shopped there, would you do so again?

[That Guy]

Just checking that the https://www.slvariant.com (https://www.slvariant.com/shop/) site is GTG.
Those who have shopped there, would you do so again?

Well hello there... They have international shipping with reasonable shipping costs!

Do you guys think the.44 N-frame model would work with .45Colt? (I ask, because my HKS .44 speed loaders actually work better with my .45 Mountain Gun, than the ones actually meant for it. But I don't know how universal this is.)

[klbsa]

FWIW, the only extensive side by side speedloader comparison I know of:

https://revolverguy.com/what-is-the-best-revolver-speedloader/

Definitely interested in the SL Variants but pretty stocked up on JetLoaders and the website for the SL clones leaves me wary...

He makes a good point in the article for guys like you on the fence "If you haven’t reloaded with an S.L. Variant, it’s hard to imagine what you’re missing, and it’s hard to overstate just how damn good this thing is."

I couldn't agree more. Especially for my j frame.... I can fit 2 side by side with the extensions on them in my mag pocket of my cargo pants

[md8232]

..................
Do you guys think the.44 N-frame model would work with .45Colt? (I ask, because my HKS .44 speed loaders actually work better with my .45 Mountain Gun, than the ones actually meant for it. But I don't know how universal this is.)

Great point. I just picked up a 25-5 and if the .44 model works with this, I'll buy a couple.
Anyone know if they work?

[klbsa]

Great point. I just picked up a 25-5 and if the .44 model works with this, I'll buy a couple.
Anyone know if they work?

You can adjust the holding tabs via the little knob on the thing so Im wiling to bet it would fit.

[LOBO]

Any updates on how good or bad these SL Variant copies are?