Inner Duty Belt

[Cory]

My duty belt is a bianchi with loop on the inside. My inner belt is a rollable, buckless, bianchi with hook exterior. I'm looking to replace the inner belt with something better. It doesn't have any buckle to get consistent tightness, it's flimsy, and generally strikes me as poor quality. It's been heavily used prior to being issued to me.

I wear a graith specialist in my personal life. I was hoping to find something similar to use as an inner belt. If I could find something similar with a cobra buckle that would allow unbuckling without removing my duty belt for restroom visits that would be ideal.

The problem I'm finding is that most belt systems are inner with loop, outer with hook. Mine is opposite. The benefit of loop inners is they're easier on belt loops when threading through. I get it, but that's not an option for me. The only one I've found is this Blauer: https://www.blauer.com/guardian-iii-keeper-belt-b005.html

What decent inner belts are you guys wearing? Are there any inner belts with hook (and some form of buckle or even tri glide) that you guys are aware of?

[Trigger]

My duty belt is a bianchi with loop on the inside. My inner belt is a rollable, buckless, bianchi with hook exterior. I'm looking to replace the inner belt with something better. It doesn't have any buckle to get consistent tightness, it's flimsy, and generally strikes me as poor quality. It's been heavily used prior to being issued to me.

I wear a graith specialist in my personal life. I was hoping to find something similar to use as an inner belt. If I could find something similar with a cobra buckle that would allow unbuckling without removing my duty belt for restroom visits that would be ideal.

The problem I'm finding is that most belt systems are inner with loop, outer with hook. Mine is opposite. The benefit of loop inners is they're easier on belt loops when threading through. I get it, but that's not an option for me. The only one I've found is this Blauer: https://www.blauer.com/guardian-iii-keeper-belt-b005.html

What decent inner belts are you guys wearing? Are there any inner belts with hook (and some form of buckle or even tri glide) that you guys are aware of?

I’ve just bought a bunch of their belts. The inner belt is pretty nice.

https://subsecondllc.com/collections/inner-belts

Made in USA

[Cory]

I’ve just bought a bunch of their belts. The inner belt is pretty nice.

https://subsecondllc.com/collections/inner-belts

Made in USA

Looks like they only offer loop inner belts. I need hook.

[Trigger]

Looks like they only offer loop inner belts. I need hook.

I think the HSGI Belt has what you want.

https://www.opticsplanet.com/high-speed-gear-hsgi-basic-inner-belt.html?utm_source=connexity&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=publisher_network&utm_term=16885007865057642395110070302008005&cnxclid=16885007865057642395110070302008005

[paherne]

I used the Volund Gearworks biothane underbelt with a g-hook. You can specify hook or loop, depending on your duty belt's configuration. https://volundgearworks.com/product/atlas-biothane-g-hook-liner/ Fitting the belt to your size is key, and measuring correctly is necessary. Folks either love or hate this system, IME. I did not like it at first, but then grew to love it.

[Cory]

I used the Volund Gearworks biothane underbelt with a g-hook. You can specify hook or loop, depending on your duty belt's configuration. https://volundgearworks.com/product/atlas-biothane-g-hook-liner/ Fitting the belt to your size is key, and measuring correctly is necessary. Folks either love or hate this system, IME. I did not like it at first, but then grew to love it.

I emailed Volund about what I'm looking for and got a pretty fast reply from Matt. I ordered the Biothane G hook you linked. If it doesn't function the way I'm picturing I can return it and order a custom belt.

[Horseman]

"The only one I've found is this Blauer: https://www.blauer.com/guardian-iii-keeper-belt-b005.html"

The Blauers work as advertised, but they are very light construction and I've just about worn out the second one I've had in the last four or five years.

[Up1911Fan]

I use one from Mastermind that I really like, I don't think they make them anymore now. For CCW I use the Tenicor Zero Liner belt as a stand alone belt and that would work great as a liner belt as well.

[BK14]

I was going to point towards Volund as a custom option. I believe snake-eater will do custom hook exterior on a cobra as well.

Before you drop volund money though, is it possible to just get a new belt altogether? The blue alpha edc inner belt is the belt I wear every day, then just throw my blue alpha molle belt on over it when I need a duty belt at work. It’s a much more stream-lined option in my experience.

[Magsz]

"The only one I've found is this Blauer: https://www.blauer.com/guardian-iii-keeper-belt-b005.html"

The Blauers work as advertised, but they are very light construction and I've just about worn out the second one I've had in the last four or five years.

It's a functional belt but over time, they tend to take a "set" and don't really provide any structural rigidity. I wore mine with suspenders and the bent kind of folded in on itself and refused to return to its original shape. The back of the belt looked like a W.

[ECK]

Looks like they only offer loop inner belts. I need hook.

Know anybody that sews? I make my own for use with my USPSA belts using a single layer of scuba webbing for the inner.

It’d be a 10 min job to make one up.

[mark7]

Cry once, buy once :D:D

https://www.aresgear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=101_125_133&products_id=1089&zenid=7689e22af02d8b162fd466dfa3d0e02e

[Cory]

The volund belt seems to fit the bill. I used it for a little bit in a seminar today. No radio, tazer, or weapon for weight, so not a true test. But we did do some weapons retention stuff and it was a good lock up with velcro. We'll see how comfort is after a few shifts.

107172

[HCM]

Another option would be HSGI’s micro grip panel with hook.

Basically uses a gel padded rubberized liner with hook on the outside which uses the friction fit of the rubberized side in lieu of velcro to velcro or keepers. Similar to how they’re their padded war belt sleeves are held in place but without the bulk.

https://www.highspeedgear.com/95mg0-95mgl

Then just wear what ever pants belt you like.

[BK14]

The volund belt seems to fit the bill. I used it for a little bit in a seminar today. No radio, tazer, or weapon for weight, so not a true test. But we did do some weapons retention stuff and it was a good lock up with velcro. We'll see how comfort is after a few shifts.

107172

Ah. Basketweave. Suddenly the necessity to stick with a certain outer belt makes sense… Just turn policy upside down and you’re good.

[Magsz]

Did you end up getting the normal thickness Volund Biothane belt or the thinner one?

[sickeness]

Why not just buy a Bianchi belt with hook interior instead of loop, they make such a thing and it appears it would solve all your problems.

[Cory]

Did you end up getting the normal thickness Volund Biothane belt or the thinner one?

Standard, not the slim one.


Why not just buy a Bianchi belt with hook interior instead of loop, they make such a thing and it appears it would solve all your problems.

That would mean buying both a new Bianchi belt and a new inner belt.

[Chuck Whitlock]

The volund belt seems to fit the bill. I used it for a little bit in a seminar today. No radio, tazer, or weapon for weight, so not a true test. But we did do some weapons retention stuff and it was a good lock up with velcro. We'll see how comfort is after a few shifts.

107172

Looks like you found a set up that you like.

FWIW, I wound up ditching the mating velcro thing some time ago and went back to using keepers. In no particular order:


I had enough stuff on my duty belt that there was precious little usable velcro showing.

I like the keepers to keep certain pouches from crowding each other.

I'd seen at least one case of an officer in a scuffle having her entire duty belt peeled off her body.

I'd seen numerous other officers (who seems to ditch the duty belt whenever they get into the office) miss mating the belts at the 6 o'clock, so that the duty belt rode above or below the inner belt and looking like a bag of smashed assholes.

I also replaced the factory plastic buckle on the duty belt with a 2.25" cobra buckle from Amazon. Well worth the money.

[Cory]

Looks like you found a set up that you like.

FWIW, I wound up ditching the mating velcro thing some time ago and went back to using keepers. In no particular order:


I had enough stuff on my duty belt that there was precious little usable velcro showing.

I like the keepers to keep certain pouches from crowding each other.

I'd seen at least one case of an officer in a scuffle having her entire duty belt peeled off her body.

I'd seen numerous other officers (who seems to ditch the duty belt whenever they get into the office) miss mating the belts at the 6 o'clock, so that the duty belt rode above or below the inner belt and looking like a bag of smashed assholes.

I also replaced the factory plastic buckle on the duty belt with a 2.25" cobra buckle from Amazon. Well worth the money.

I actually use both velcro and keepers. That photo was just quick for the forum, but I normally have keepers as well. I've zip ties some pouches in place, and added adhesive loop velcro to the back of the pouches. I'll keep the cobra buckle in mind, I've seen one of our guys doing that.

[paherne]

I actually use both velcro and keepers. That photo was just quick for the forum, but I normally have keepers as well. I've zip ties some pouches in place, and added adhesive loop velcro to the back of the pouches. I'll keep the cobra buckle in mind, I've seen one of our guys doing that.
Can you switch out that garbage plastic belt clip for an Australpin? Those plastic ones come loose after they get a little wear on them and pop when you're rolling around on the ground with a dude, or trying to get your ass over a fence. Both happened to me. Luckily, I always wore at least two keepers, but talk about embarrassing.

[Cory]

Can you switch out that garbage plastic belt clip for an Australpin? Those plastic ones come loose after they get a little wear on them and pop when you're rolling around on the ground with a dude, or trying to get your ass over a fence. Both happened to me. Luckily, I always wore at least two keepers, but talk about embarrassing.

At least one guy at work uses a cobra buckle. But, I'm still new and he's been on for about a year. He's also on SWAT and a former green beret.

What he can do and what I can do are not the same. It's something I'll keep in mind for down the road when I have more time on.

[paherne]

At least one guy at work uses a cobra buckle. But, I'm still new and he's been on for about a year. He's also on SWAT and a former green beret.

What he can do and what I can do are not the same. It's something I'll keep in mind for down the road when I have more time on.

Knowing your place in the agency is a valuable skill. I'd advise against any changes pushing the uniform policy until you're off probation/FTO, etc.

[Wake27]

Came here to point toward Volund as well. I’ve used their stuff for many years, including their slim belts for my daily uniform. Glad it looks like they were a decent solution.


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[Casey]

I actually use both velcro and keepers. That photo was just quick for the forum, but I normally have keepers as well. I've zip ties some pouches in place, and added adhesive loop velcro to the back of the pouches.
Security here, not LE, but I do the same thing—keepers plus hook/loop inner/outer combo with adhesive hook stuck to the back of some of the pouches to maximize the interface between the inner and outer belts. I've always looked at the hook and loop as a convenience, mostly for keeping the belt in place as I'm putting it on, while I consider the keepers the real insurance.

[Chuck Whitlock]

I've added velcro to the belt loops of pouches before. A little bit of a pain to glue it to leather, but it does help.

As a slight tangent regarding keepers....I recommend to folks to get two sets, because 4 keepers ain't enough. This at least gives you a couple of spares if one goes missing. I currently use 6 with my duty belt. I'm a strong proponent of placing a keeper on either side of the 6 0"clock belt loop to keep gear off your spine, and a keeper on either side of the holster, which anchors and stabilizes the holster for the draw, and keeps other gear from impeding the draw. I see a bunch of coppers with their baton or whatnot basically jammed up under the grip of their pistol.

[DaBigBR]

I used to use a lot more keepers but as things have moved to the vest, that has negated the need for some of them. I have also learned to place them against a belt loop to further prevent the assembly from moving.

[Magsz]

At least one guy at work uses a cobra buckle. But, I'm still new and he's been on for about a year. He's also on SWAT and a former green beret.

What he can do and what I can do are not the same. It's something I'll keep in mind for down the road when I have more time on.

I respect this idea as it is not the prevailing mindset these days amongst new cops.

I have to ask. Does your policy expressly prohibit you from changing out the buckle?

[Cory]

I respect this idea as it is not the prevailing mindset these days amongst new cops.

I have to ask. Does your policy expressly prohibit you from changing out the buckle?

No it does not. But again, I'm to new too play de jure vs de facto games. Especially over a buckle thats bearing nearly zero weight of my belt.

The guy I mentioned said his belt is an "x belt" that expands and contracts which sounds odd to me. He definitely likes it though.

At this point I think I have a belt set up that I'm satisfied with until my outer carrier comes in. Everything is forward of my hips, it's secure with velcro and keepers, can stay together for bathroom trips, and doesn't seem to cause pain after 12 hours.

I appreciate the guidance guys. PF top notch as always.

[Magsz]

No it does not. But again, I'm to new too play de jure vs de facto games. Especially over a buckle thats bearing nearly zero weight of my belt.

The guy I mentioned said his belt is an "x belt" that expands and contracts which sounds odd to me. He definitely likes it though.

At this point I think I have a belt set up that I'm satisfied with until my outer carrier comes in. Everything is forward of my hips, it's secure with velcro and keepers, can stay together for bathroom trips, and doesn't seem to cause pain after 12 hours.

I appreciate the guidance guys. PF top notch as always.

10-4.

I only asked because I've had plastic buckles break when going hands on. I figured if you could avoid having to learn this lesson first hand, then do so.

I completely respect your position as well as admire it. You sound like an excellent new hire.

[UNM1136]

Late to the party, but these guys/gals (https://www.thewilderness.com) have given me inner belts to my spec since 2005. Time for a new one, losing weight and annual uniform allowance.

TLG wore a ring belt from them for AFHF in 2013. I put the rings at 10-11 o'clock every work day for not quite 2 decades now.

The Wilderness also now allows direct orders of the inner belts, with customer's choice of hook or loop on the outside.

pat

[WobblyPossum]

Tenicor is having a blem sale and belts are 30% off. I ordered a Zero Inner Belt as the Velcro belt I am currently using as an under belt is on its last legs.