New Springfield pistol comin on 7/12/23!

[Tokarev]

On IG Noner reports a co-worker has 2K rounds on one and it’s been solid.

Here's a screen shot of that:

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[backtrail540]

I handled one at a shop today.

The grip was comfortable and felt anchored well in hand. The texture was fine but seemed like it may slip with sweat.

The magwell opening seemed generous.

I expected the ambi mag release to hit my gun hand knuckle, as most do, but i didn't have any issues getting a mag to drop in the shop. That may change with speed.

The slide stop has me in the fence. It seemed hard to get to activate, but they all are when new and without a round in the mag, and was very minimal but what little shelf it had was pronounced. I don't think anyone will have an issue riding it. Over the top or sling shotters won't mind it.

Trigger was fine. I'm no trigger snob so probably not the best judge. It reminded me of a glock performance trigger by maybe with a touch more takeup. Or Walther like. It will certainly suffice.

Serrations were great and made manipulation easy.

I think i was impressed enough for a new striker gun. I'd like to shoot one. I'm looking forward to seeing the evolution of this one.

[Brianjkeene]

The additional grip modules just went live on Springfield's site. I was able to order the large aggressive texture module just now.

[Noah]

The additional grip modules just went live on Springfield's site. I was able to order the large aggressive texture module just now.

Oh that's cool they are offering different textures.

If I was looking to swap from Glock, which I'm not, I'd totally carry the stock texture for my dry in air conditioning hands, and then practice and compete in the summer with an aggressive one for my outdoor heat crazily sweaty hands.

[Chuck Whitlock]

I handled one at a shop today.

The grip was comfortable and felt anchored well in hand. The texture was fine but seemed like it may slip with sweat.

The magwell opening seemed generous.

I expected the ambi mag release to hit my gun hand knuckle, as most do, but i didn't have any issues getting a mag to drop in the shop. That may change with speed.

The slide stop has me in the fence. It seemed hard to get to activate, but they all are when new and without a round in the mag, and was very minimal but what little shelf it had was pronounced. I don't think anyone will have an issue riding it. Over the top or sling shotters won't mind it.

Trigger was fine. I'm no trigger snob so probably not the best judge. It reminded me of a glock performance trigger by maybe with a touch more takeup. Or Walther like. It will certainly suffice.

Serrations were great and made manipulation easy.

I think i was impressed enough for a new striker gun. I'd like to shoot one. I'm looking forward to seeing the evolution of this one.


The additional grip modules just went live on Springfield's site. I was able to order the large aggressive texture module just now.

I handled one at a local gun show, and liked it so far. The small grip frame ought to be even more amenable to my small hands.

Personally, I won't be seriously interested in this or any other new SFA pistol (FN Reflex, etc.) until manual safety versions come online.

[Sensei]

https://youtu.be/1U72aG1NZIg

This reviewer experienced a series of malfunctions that seem related to the magazines. This included baseplate ejections on inserting full mags that resulted in dumping all the rounds in the dirt. He also lost his slide mount cover and pins that came loose during recoil. He mentioned others having similar experiences, but I’ve not seen this reports.

I’m intrigued but will not be in the market until compact frame and slide versions are available. That should give the platform time to mature.

[Shipwreck]

I rented one on Saturday....

https://i.ibb.co/nBhBW6x/meh1.jpg

No plans to buy one...

It didn't do anything better than a ton of other 9mm pistols, IMHO.

[Tokarev]

. This included baseplate ejections on inserting full mags that resulted in dumping all the rounds in the dirt...

I don't remember where I saw it but it seems that the "self-disassembling" magazines are from faulty assembly. The base plate on the extended mag is L shaped. The leg of the L has to go outside the mag. It serves as a stop to keep the base plate from moving forward. If the leg of the L is inside the mag it doesn't prevent forward movement and the base pad will come off.

[Texaspoff]

I don't remember where I saw it but it seems that the "self-disassembling" magazines are from faulty assembly. The base plate on the extended mag is L shaped. The leg of the L has to go outside the mag. It serves as a stop to keep the base plate from moving forward. If the leg of the L is inside the mag it doesn't prevent forward movement and the base pad will come off.


True story. It looks like it should go on the inside instead, so it is a bit strange, but it solid when assembled correctly.



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[Sensei]

I don't remember where I saw it but it seems that the "self-disassembling" magazines are from faulty assembly. The base plate on the extended mag is L shaped. The leg of the L has to go outside the mag. It serves as a stop to keep the base plate from moving forward. If the leg of the L is inside the mag it doesn't prevent forward movement and the base pad will come off.

So, it is possible that the improper assembly happened at the factory or by the owner. I suppose that this assembly issue was also contributing to faulty follower movement within the mag body and the multiple feeding issues that were experienced.

[Tokarev]

So, it is possible that the improper assembly happened at the factory or by the owner. I suppose that this assembly issue was also contributing to faulty follower movement within the mag body and the multiple feeding issues that were experienced.The guns ship with a +3 base plate and retainer. My guess is the user didn't install the plate correctly. But it could have been done at the factory.

Any current owners have a 20rd mag with the locking tab on the inside of the mag? If so was that the way the mag came?

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[Screwball]

The guns ship with a +3 base plate and retainer. My guess is the user didn't install the plate correctly. But it could have been done at the factory.

Any current owners have a 20rd mag with the locking tab on the inside of the mag? If so was that the way the mag came?

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The one I bought from my buddy didn’t have the magazines messed with… tab on outside.

Manual says outside.

https://support.springfield-armory.com/manuals/echelon-manual?section=5BmaXqASlgD5aixKn2Spl5&topic=7FfRwUwuDAUxDBnVeUATH3

I want to say the Beretta MecGar extensions would make me think to go the other way… but I also haven’t touched one of them in 3+ years, so might be thinking of another magazine.

[Sensei]

Regardless, this doesn’t seem to be a widespread issue with the mags. The platform seems to be off to a nice start.

While it’s marketed for LE and military use, I’m curious to see if it will garner much support in these circles in the US before compact and sub-compact variants are developed. I’m also curious if medium to large U.S. agencies are going to be interested in a pistol produced in Croatia. I suspect that it will become more popular in Europe, Asia, etc. before widespread adoption in the US.

[Tokarev]

A pretty good review of the pistol:

https://midsouthshotreport.com/2023/08/08/the-all-new-echelon-9mm-semi-auto-pistol-from-springfield-armory/?trk_msg=K4KLE8QLDQH4D8N8GKMD0LH7OO&trk_contact=C8Q72J44POOUBLQ49FRTEVQ938&trk_module=new&trk_sid=ON276P8CFUKBNDHM56SQR3MEBO&trk_link=E9LVPFQLM6IKN4FLG076V3OPOK

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[Tokarev]

https://youtu.be/6j6aDEg7ZwA

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[Texaspoff]

Regardless, this doesn’t seem to be a widespread issue with the mags. The platform seems to be off to a nice start.

While it’s marketed for LE and military use, I’m curious to see if it will garner much support in these circles in the US before compact and sub-compact variants are developed. I’m also curious if medium to large U.S. agencies are going to be interested in a pistol produced in Croatia. I suspect that it will become more popular in Europe, Asia, etc. before widespread adoption in the US.

If they want this to be accepted by LE, Safriland better get some duty holster in the pipeline. You can order the light bearing optic model holster, but there are a lot of agencies that don't or can't use optics on their duty guns. They need to get a standard version available as well.




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[Tokarev]

https://youtu.be/JmjfoeLfICg?si=T_kbal7MXFraVVQU

[Tokarev]

https://youtu.be/TukeKxaFgo0?si=9rp0mxu5jXuCG1Pt

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[Sensei]

So, it sounds like the extended mags are a no-go for now. Otherwise, the rest of the gun is impressive.

[Tokarev]

So, it sounds like the extended mags are a no-go for now.

Possibly.

Here's an option that's probably GTG.

https://tarantacticalinnovations.com/2-3-base-pad-for-springfield-echelon-17-rd-xd-m-9-40-19-rd-magazines/

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[Tokarev]

Oops. Double checked my math.

I'm 510 rounds into the 2,000 round challenge. Most of this is the Sterling steel case and then a mix of 147 FMJ and some USPSA minor loads.

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[Tokarev]

Here are some pics I lifted off another forum. This is a Blackhawk T holster for a Glock with TLR-1 modified to fit the Echelon.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230830/9269433adcbc9d922b9ff0ecf8d85afd.jpg

Some material had to be removed but the owner says it wasn't much.

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I may try something like this soon if my pre-ordered Safariland doesn't ship. I also exchanged a few messages with RDR gear. He said he had modified Safariland holsters ready to ship and that he'd send me an invoice. But I haven't heard anything else since.

[Texaspoff]

Here are some pics I lifted off another forum. This is a Blackhawk T holster for a Glock with TLR-1 modified to fit the Echelon.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230830/9269433adcbc9d922b9ff0ecf8d85afd.jpg

Some material had to be removed but the owner says it wasn't much.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230830/2a4e72fb42c890de955f28db5e7d4c6c.jpg

I may try something like this soon if my pre-ordered Safariland doesn't ship. I also exchanged a few messages with RDR gear. He said he had modified Safariland holsters ready to ship and that he'd send me an invoice. But I haven't heard anything else since.

I sure hope Springfield gets a compact announced soon. I also hope Safariland gets some standard holsters available for the Echelon. Still quite a few agencies that don't allow red dots sights. Always nice to have options and I hope they all step up their game on these otherwise the Echelon's popularity may start to slow for LE duty.





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[Brianjkeene]

Received my large/aggressive grip module for the Echelon yesterday. The more aggressive texture is noticeable and almost m2.0 aggressive but, unfortunately, they didn’t apply it to the back straps. I will say this large module fits my xL gloves hands better and there is a noticeable increase in trigger reach - which I appreciate.

[Tokarev]

My large aggressive is stuck in limbo with FedEx. I'll give it a few more days and then see if someone at SA can help me out. Calling FedEx doesn't do much.

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[RAM Engineer]

As with most new guns, I'll be interested when there is a G19 or smaller version. I don't need a duty size gun in my life.

[Tokarev]

https://youtu.be/2X-_MS00ZQY?si=79QtILUay6uvV0Mv

[Biggy]

I carry AIWB so my striker fired pistols must have either a manual thumb safety or be compatible for a SCD ( striker control device) back slide plate like what’s available for Glock pistols. IMHO, there is a good chance Glock will be releasing their new Gen 6 pistols sometime in 24 which are supposed to be more ergonomic, hopefully that means changing the grip angle on the pistol, which I believe they can probably do while still using their current Gen 5 mags. Hopefully Langdon Tactical can and will develop a SCD for the Echelon pistol, then there might be one in my future. Until then, *I* prefer to carry DA/SA pistols like the Langdon Tactical or Wilson Combat Beretta 92 series or PX4 Storm pistols or Cajunized CZ P-07 or P-01 pistols when carrying AIWB.

[Timbonez]

Picked up an Echelon a week and a half ago and I’ve made 1 range trip so far dedicated to shooting it. I only have 150rds through the gun (3x different brands of ammo: 2x 124gr, 1x 115gr all FMJ) to test for function. No issues so far.

My very limited initial impressions are that it shoots very well. The trigger is well above average for a striker fired gun in terms of pull weight and length, and is probably only bested by a PDP and M&P 2.0. Reset is positive, but slightly less so than a Glock Gen 5 for reference. Recoil impulse is about on par with a G17. The front sight tritium with green outline is quick to pick up, and I like the U-shape rear, but the accompanying white outline on the rear is distracting and unnecessary. A black sharpie should easily fix that. Fully loaded magazines are easy enough to seat on a closed slide. I found that the grip module that comes with the gun paired with the medium backstrap gives me a great grip. For reference, I usually use small backstraps with handguns, but I felt like there were gaps in my support hand grip with the supplied small backstrap on this pistol.

I’ve been on the fence about what optic to add to it and was initially going to put an RCR on it and then decided on a 507 Comp. That said, I ended up ordering a 508T for it earlier today. Hopefully I get that by the end of the week.

It fits great in a PHLster Floodlight OWB and a Floodlight2 paired with an X300 Turbo. I also pre-ordered a Safariland a few days after purchasing the pistol. Safariland said it would ship late August, and surprise, we’re in September and it didn’t ship. To be fair, I did pre-order it 26 August so we’ll see, as Safariland is usually about a month wait to receive a holster.

Assuming I get the 508T before Saturday evening I will try and run the Echelon at a multigun match in place of my ACW Qunatico HiCap, and I’ll keep you all updated with how this pistol performs.

And, as form should follow function, I do find this heater good looking.

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[Tokarev]

My large aggressive grip showed up. I assumed it was lost. It took two weeks for FedEx smart post to deliver it. Shipped on August 18th. Arrived September 7th.

The aggressive texture is a little more aggressive but not extremely so. I think someone mentioned it is about like the M&P 2.0 texture. As also mentioned, the aggressive texture is not on the backstrap inserts.

If someone wants a really aggressive texture some type of grip tape is probably needed. Or send the module to one of the shops doing the re-texture work.

The grip itself is quite a step up in size from the medium module the gun shipped with. All the increase is at the back of the module between the mag well and the grip insert. Some additional thickness in the sides might have been nice.

Along the lines of re-texturing it might be interesting to see what a shop can do with grip contour. Can the back strap insert itself be flattened out to help the gun point a little flatter.

Here's a pic:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230907/52e8adf1e08bdce4dafd50b8f9776603.jpg

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[Timbonez]

The 508T arrived today and now sits on top of the Echelon. Cowitness of the irons is very good. They sit low enough to give the shooter a generous amount of unblocked window, but sit high enough that the tritium dot and ring on the front sight is completely visible. I’m still planning on shooting it during at least one stage tomorrow evening at my multigun match. I have the 2x mags that came with the pistol, and I’m still waiting on 4x 17rd mags. They are supposed to arrive tomorrow, hopefully before the MGM, but if not the 2x 20rd mags should be more than enough to get through a stage. The Safariland hasn’t even shipped, but the PHLster is still a very good option.

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[DamnYankee]

Just picked one up at a gun show today. Looking forward to getting it to the range, probably this afternoon.

[Timbonez]

Just picked one up at a gun show today. Looking forward to getting it to the range, probably this afternoon.

Let us know how you like it.

[DamnYankee]

Let us know how you like it.

It’s a good shooter. I like it a lot. I put about 300 rounds through it. Mixed 115gr & 124gr and 50 rounds of 124gr HST. No issues.

[Timbonez]

It’s a good shooter. I like it a lot. I put about 300 rounds through it. Mixed 115gr & 124gr and 50 rounds of 124gr HST. No issues.

Good to hear!

Well I did run the Echelon on a stage today but only fired 3 rounds from it. It was a fixed time stage and I shot my rifle targets first before transitioning to the Echelon. I was only able to get 3 rounds off before the time expired. I also didn’t really zero the dot, so I’m not sure where it’s printing. Updates to follow after I confirm the 508T’s zero and I run it at another match for something more than 3 rounds.

[DamnYankee]

In my very limited experience with the Echelon, my only gripe so far is that the tang is a bit too wide and flat for me. After a while I can feel it rubbing on my thumb knuckle. Definitely not a deal breaker though. The good thing is eventually I can maybe try to reshape it a bit to my liking without worry since I can just buy another grip if I screw it up.

[Brianjkeene]

In my very limited experience with the Echelon, my only gripe so far is that the tang is a bit too wide and flat for me. After a while I can feel it rubbing on my thumb knuckle. Definitely not a deal breaker though. The good thing is eventually I can maybe try to reshape it a bit to my liking without worry since I can just buy another grip if I screw it up.

I had to do the same. I did a very rough job thus far and only on the left side of the tang but it fixed the uncomfortableness of it. I will also say that the tang area on the large size grip module is much more comfortable for me than the tang area on the medium size.

[DamnYankee]

I had to do the same. I did a very rough job thus far and only on the left side of the tang but it fixed the uncomfortableness of it. I will also say that the tang area on the large size grip module is much more comfortable for me than the tang area on the medium size.

How much material did you remove?

[Brianjkeene]

How much material did you remove?

Just a little bit so far. I think I’m gonna take most is the tang off though - trim it back to be about what a factory Glock is.



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[DamnYankee]

Received my large/aggressive grip module for the Echelon yesterday. The more aggressive texture is noticeable and almost m2.0 aggressive but, unfortunately, they didn’t apply it to the back straps. I will say this large module fits my xL gloves hands better and there is a noticeable increase in trigger reach - which I appreciate.

Can you post a pic of the grip please showing the texture?

[Brianjkeene]

Can you post a pic of the grip please showing the texture?

It’s hard to tell in pictures but it is more aggressive in hand. It’s in the border of not still not being aggressive enough for me but I’m gonna wait it out before I stipple it.



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[DamnYankee]

It’s hard to tell in pictures but it is more aggressive in hand. It’s in the border of not still not being aggressive enough for me but I’m gonna wait it out before I stipple it.

Thanks.

[Tokarev]

New 6390 arrived. It seems pretty solid. Safariland seems to have made some improvements.

The nub is wider and textured. The UBL mount is now slotted for cant. I haven't tried yet but it looks long enough to accept the Modlite.

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[Timbonez]

New 6390 arrived. It seems pretty solid. Safariland seems to have made some improvements.

The nub is wider and textured. The UBL mount is now slotted for cant. I haven't tried yet but it looks long enough to accept the Modlite.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230916/c349de04167eb7eb4cdc2ecea97b8cb3.jpg

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Looks good. My 6390RDSO arrives Monday.

[Tokarev]

Looks good. My 6390RDSO arrives Monday.I wondered about that holster. In the end I decided I wanted a hooded one.

One thing I notice is a pretty decent gap around the trigger guard. I can't get my pointer finger in but I can insert my little finger and touch the trigger. Safariland probably should modify the holster body a bit to help address this. That and Springfield could widen the trigger guard a little to better fill this area in the holster.

The gap is enough that I can cram my pinky in and dry fire the holstered pistol.

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[Tokarev]

Confirmed that the holster will accommodate the pistol with a PL350 attached. That's with the 1913 key set in the slot closest to the head.

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[Timbonez]

I was supposed to shoot two matches today, but both were canceled due to thunderstorms. Since I was pretty bummed about that, I took the opportunity to go to the indoor range and put another 174rds through the Echelon. The goals for the range trip were to verify the zero of the 508T (it had only been “zeroed” using a laser boresight at home), and to shoot a couple of drills. Anmo used today was 125rds of Blazer 124gr FMJ and 49rds of Winchester 115gr FMJ. Total round count through the pistol since buying it 3 weeks ago is 327rds with no malfunctions.

I started with confirming the zero at 15yds, and I lucked out. I was hitting POA/POI without having to make an adjustment. Boresighting at home definitely helps save time and money on ammo, and in this particular instance it was dead on. I followed it up with shooting doubles at 8 and 10yds on paper USPSA metric targets. I mentioned in an earlier post that the Echelon recoils similarly to a G17. I’d like to amend that to that the Echelon has a slightly punchier recoil, but it’s nothing obnoxious. The pistol returns to target quickly with little to no degradation in keeping or returning the dot to the window. The pistol I shoot primarily is a particularly nice 2011, so I may be somewhat harsh in my assessment of the Echelon’s recoil compared to what pistol I shoot 95% of the time. Bottom Line: the Echelon is easy to shoot.


I wondered about that holster. In the end I decided I wanted a hooded one.

One thing I notice is a pretty decent gap around the trigger guard. I can't get my pointer finger in but I can insert my little finger and touch the trigger. Safariland probably should modify the holster body a bit to help address this. That and Springfield could widen the trigger guard a little to better fill this area in the holster.

The gap is enough that I can cram my pinky in and dry fire the holstered pistol.

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Tokarev, thanks for the info! That’s good to know. My original intent was to top the Echelon with an RCR, so I chose the RDSO to accommodate a large enclosed emitter. I ended up buying a Holosun 508T instead to match the optic I use on my carry gun (ZEV OZ9c Duty). I like the features of that dot and it’s one of the best looking/performing dots paired with my astigmatism. I would have preferred the regular Safariland 6390RDS like you ended up buying, because it has a hood to protect the optic from the elements, but I ordered the holster the same day I bought the Echelon thinking I was going to be using an RCR. It was already too late to buy a standard 6390RDS once I put the 508T on the Echelon.

With that all said, I personally find what you described a non-issue. That’s a pretty specific set of circumstances that would need to occur. No doubt, it’s more open than a standard 6390RDS, but I trust in Safariland’s vetting process and their testing. Is it more likely that something could interact with the trigger compared to a standard 6390RDS, yes, but it’s still highly unlikely. Ultimately, it’s what the end user is most comfortable using. Just like AIWB is a no-go for some people, or using a striker fired gun AIWB (or a SAO gun). I don’t want to make it sound like I’m belittling your concern. I believe it is definitely something that should be brought up in a forum like this, and I appreciate you sharing that information.

I will keep this thread updated as I continue to shoot the Echelon and how I like using it with the RDSO holster.

[Tokarev]

I'm about a third of the way through the 2000 round challenge. 647 additional rounds fired as of about 15 minutes ago. Today's outing was a couple mags of Speer Gold Dot and some more Sterling steel case. I also shot 60 rounds of reloads which is a Berry 135 flat point and 3.5 grains of Tite Group.

Still no failures and the gun locks open every time when empty. I did have a light strike with one of my reloads but it went off on the 2nd attempt. It may have been a slightly high primer?

[Tokarev]

Tokarev,

I personally find what you described a non-issue. That’s a pretty specific set of circumstances that would need to occur.

Lots of speculation that this large opening is, at least partly, to blame for SIG's continued issues with uncommanded discharges. There have been issues with Glock pistols in these holsters as well.

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[Timbonez]

Lots of speculation that this large opening is, at least partly, to blame for SIG's continued issues with uncommanded discharges. There have been issues with Glock pistols in these holsters as well.

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Confirmed RDSOs? Like you said, it’s speculation. SIGs had “issues” prior to the release of this design. Can you point me towards the sources for the issues with Glocks and these holsters? I’d be interested to see the circumstances of them going off in these holsters.

[Tokarev]

Confirmed RDSOs? Like you said, it’s speculation. SIGs had “issues” prior to the release of this design. Can you point me towards the sources for the issues with Glocks and these holsters? I’d be interested to see the circumstances of them going off in these holsters.Not specifically the RDSO SKU but plenty of occurances with 6390s or 6360s and other light bearing holsters in Safarilands lineup that it is something to be aware of.

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[Timbonez]

Not specifically the RDSO SKU but plenty of occurances with 6390s or 6360s and other light bearing holsters in Safarilands lineup that it is something to be aware of.

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Ah, gotcha. Thank you!

[Tokarev]

Ah, gotcha. Thank you!The Safariland Vault is, at least in part, supposed to address the concern. But so far that holster is only available for Glock. Correction--Glock and SIG.

For 3 Gun, range practice, general training, I'm sure the RDSO is perfectly fine. In fact I've had one for the 4.25" Prodigy in the shopping cart a few times. What's holding me back is curiosity about what US Duty Gear may intro for the Prodigy.

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[Timbonez]

The Safariland Vault is, at least in part, supposed to address the concern. But so far that holster is only available for Glock.

For 3 Gun, range practice, general training, I'm sure the RDSO is perfectly fine. In fact I've had one for the 4.25" Prodigy in the shopping cart a few times. What's holding me back is curiosity about what US Duty Gear may into for the Prodigy.

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I have 2x US Duty Gear for my LTT Beretta. One for my RDO slide and the other for my non-cut slide. Mine are the SLS-style hood.

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[Tokarev]

I have 2x US Duty Gear. Mine are the SLS-style hood.

I'm more interested in the USDG version of the ALS.

[Timbonez]

My 6390RDSO arrived today. I slapped a QLS fork on there and proceeded to dry fire with it for about 15 minutes. I was concerned that my draw would be affected by the longer optic tunnel, but I didn’t have any issues. Drawing and holstering are smooth with zero snags anywhere, which is my typical experience with Safariland duty style holsters. Lockup is solid as well. I may try and get some range time later this week before the weekend.

ETA: I do appreciate the larger thumb piece on the ALS. This holster is my first experience with it. The small serrations at the top of the thumb piece are nice too.

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[kmess]

Anyone have any experience with the Holosun 509t on the Echelon? I assume the VIS mount for the ACRO will work for this? Also, would you recommend the RMR height or DPP height sights if used in conjunction with 509?

[Tokarev]

Anyone have any experience with the Holosun 509t on the Echelon? I assume the VIS mount for the ACRO will work for this? Also, would you recommend the RMR height or DPP height sights if used in conjunction with 509?Springfield doesn't sell a dedicated 509T plate. Instead they list what pins to use with the Holosun OEM plate.

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[kmess]

Springfield doesn't sell a dedicated 509T plate. Instead they list what pins to use with the Holosun OEM plate.

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Thanks, new to optics but now thinking I might go with the SCS 320 as it will direct mount.

[Tokarev]

Anyone have any experience with the Holosun 509t on the Echelon? I assume the VIS mount for the ACRO will work for this? Also, would you recommend the RMR height or DPP height sights if used in conjunction with 509?https://chpws.com/product/springfield-armory-echelon-to-holosun-509t/?utm_source=remarkety&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Echelon%20Plate%20091923&utm_content=&_rmId=Mero7rwKNKsbVepGjKrBUORxNw8o7JHnxMb

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[Tokarev]

707 rounds fired so far. 400 rounds of Sterling steel case. Also a few 147 HSTs and some FMJ. The gun continues to work without issue.

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[Biggy]

Does the Eschelon have a pretensioned /partially cocked trigger or is it like the Glock ?

[Tokarev]

Does the Eschelon have a pretensioned /partially cocked trigger or is it like the Glock ?Pre-tensioned.

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[evi1joe]

I shot a friend's Echelon and really liked it. I figured I'd get one when they come out with the 4" barrel; however, I found it online for 520 shipped, so I went ahead and picked it up b/c I haven't had a full-sized gun in a long time and wanted to try one out again. I seem to shoot these u-notch sights really well (in that I can shoot them fast and keep an acceptable group; what's odd is that when I shoot solely for accuracy at 10-15Y, I tend to see 1.5-2" of vertical stringing--this happened with the Echelon as well as a Hellcat PRO a few weeks ago).

I HAD been planning on grabbing another Glock, but the fact that I could run an SCS-320 optic on the Echelon without milling AND it comes with useable sights and a better trigger (all for less money) sealed the deal.

1. I hope APEX or someone comes out with a standard-sized, single-side, mag-release. I don't want extended.
2. I also would love to see some method of filling the space in front of and behind optics--even something like the little polymer spacers that Shadow Systems uses would have been fine by me (maybe it's aesthetic, but it also seems like it would help spread out the force somewhere in addition to the lugs and screws).

[Tokarev]

2. I also would love to see some method of filling the space in front of and behind optics--even something like the little polymer spacers that Shadow Systems uses would have been fine by me (maybe it's aesthetic, but it also seems like it would help spread out the force somewhere in addition to the lugs and screws).

C&H is making some optics mounting plates. These essentially replace the Springfield pin sets with specific plates that fit the pin holes in the slide. It looks like these plates do fill the gaps fore and aft of the optic.

[evi1joe]

C&H is making some optics mounting plates. These essentially replace the Springfield pin sets with specific plates that fit the pin holes in the slide. It looks like these plates do fill the gaps fore and aft of the optic.

Yikes.
Then it becomes a question of would you rather raise the optic up and have the gaps filled OR have the optic low with gaps. :)
I was thinking something along the lines of paper thin tape with holes for the pins and then just sticking polymer fore and aft of the sight before pressing it in to fit.

[DamnYankee]

What lights are y’all running on your Echelon? I had an Olight laying around but I’d like something that has the switch a bit farther back. My stubby index finger has trouble reaching the switch on the Olight. 110529

[Tackleberry40sw]

Today 42Willys and I went to the range. I brought a Glock 34 Gen 5 I was sighting in a green dot after a warranty sent me a new one, my Langdon-ized PX4 storm full size, and my duty Glock 17 Gen 5 non-MOS. The range had an Echelon in the case. We decided to rent it at my urging to try it out before considering to buy one. This is a sample size of one and it certainly was dirty and had several rounds down the barrel. I was surprised how well it fit my hand when I picked it up. The ergonomics were dead on. I did a few dry fire reps first. The trigger pull felt odd to me at first. The take up moved into a semi wall that felt spongey before the break/let off. The wall was defined but not in the way the Glock is. It was more of a rolling let off than a snap like the Glock. I loaded up 5 rounds and proceeded to take head shots at 7 yards slow fire. I'm not a ragged whole shooter but, I put the first three rounds through one hole and the fourth and fifth shots right next to them. Color me impressed. I put 80 rounds through it and 42Willys put 20 down range. It gave my PX4 a run for its money. The Echelon is definitely a consideration for future purchase and carry.

[42Willys]

Today 42Willys and I went to the range. I brought a Glock 34 Gen 5 I was sighting in a green dot after a warranty sent me a new one, my Langdon-ized PX4 storm full size, and my duty Glock 17 Gen 5 non-MOS. The range had an Echelon in the case. We decided to rent it at my urging to try it out before considering to buy one. This is a sample size of one and it certainly was dirty and had several rounds down the barrel. I was surprised how well it fit my hand when I picked it up. The ergonomics were dead on. I did a few dry fire reps first. The trigger pull felt odd to me at first. The take up moved into a semi wall that felt spongey before the break/let off. The wall was defined but not in the way the Glock is. It was more of a rolling let off than a snap like the Glock. I loaded up 5 rounds and proceeded to take head shots at 7 yards slow fire. I'm not a ragged whole shooter but, I put the first three rounds through one hole and the fourth and fifth shots right next to them. Color me impressed. I put 80 rounds through it and 42Willys put 20 down range. It gave my PX4 a run for its money. The Echelon is definitely a consideration for future purchase and carry.

The Echelon is a nice pistol.

[Tokarev]

832 rounds fired. A mix of JHP, frang, reloads and some more Sterling steel case. Still no malfunctions.

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[Tokarev]

I'm attending a Sage Dynamics red dot instructor class this week and will be taking the Echelon to mess with. Reading the schedule it sounds like Day 1 is entirely lecture. Days 2 and 3 are range. I'll probably use the Echelon one day and my Girsan another.

[Tokarev]

Cowan has his 2k review up for Patreon supporters.

The gun ran fine through his test but the RMR lost zero on both the 3rd and 4th drop tests. He says he inspected the recoil lugs and didn't notice anything wrong.

I'd guess the recoil lugs probably developed enough slop to allow the optic to fractionally shift during the drops. I wonder what replacing the lugs would do. Would it correct the loss of zero for a drop or two?

I'll talk to him tomorrow or Wednesday as time permits but he says in the video that a place system that fits the slide tightly and cradles the optic front and back is needed here.

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[Archer1440]

Aaron's tests are extreme as we all know, but they have the singular advantage of consistently ferreting out weaknesses in designs. In this particular case, though, a lack of full fencing yields a completely expected result. Another way to look at it is that if the "nubs" for the Echelon system were designed for a fail-safe impact resistance, they would be a fairly hard press-fit for both the slide and the optic- and that's a big problem for normal manufacturing tolerances, and optics reusability on other platforms.

[Tokarev]

Another way to look at it is that if the "nubs" for the Echelon system were designed for a fail-safe impact resistance, they would be a fairly hard press-fit for both the slide and the optic- and that's a big problem for normal manufacturing tolerances, and optics reusability on other platforms.

Yes I think that's right.

The similar but also different Shadow Systems mounting interface includes some hard plastic spacers that serve as braces for the optic. The plastic spacers have sort of a crush fit that helps hold the optic firmly in place.

I'm curious about the new plates from C&H. Do these fit snugly onto the slide and fill the gaps around the optic without adding significant height?

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[Tokarev]

972 rounds right now by my count.

I had three stove pipes essentially right in a row early on this morning with my reloads. Probably during rounds 860-870. Then nothing after. A problem with my brass or ?

I pulled the slide off at break. The gun is dirty but nothing seems obviously wrong otherwise. No noticeable chip on the extractor claw etc.

Here's Aaron demonstration grip with a 320 frame.

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[GJM]

Rather than fit 20 something optics, or whatever they say, I wonder if SA would have been better off direct milling for the RMR and one other footprint?

[Tokarev]

Rather than fit 20 something optics, or whatever they say, I wonder if SA would have been better off direct milling for the RMR and one other footprint?I do wonder if the VIS and/or optics cut at all is a bit of an afterthought. I say this because one of the screws on the right is through the slide and into the extractor spring channel. You'd think if the gun had been designed from day one as an optics footprint then HS Produkt would have moved the spring or made a pinned and pivoting extractor.

I haven't used them yet (and Aaron says he hasn't seen them either) but I'm hoping the C&H plates will be a good simple system. No different pins to change or worry about buying. Just buy whichever plate and go.

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[Tokarev]

1,232 rounds fired now. No further issues. I assume a piece of grit got stuck between the extractor and slide and hindered full extractor movement.

The bottom of my trigger finger has a hot spot from rubbing against the inside of the trigger guard. I think a more curved trigger would help keep the finger a little higher and away from rubbing.


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[Brianjkeene]

1,232 rounds fired now. No further issues. I assume a piece of grit got stuck between the extractor and slide and hindered full extractor movement.

The bottom of my trigger finger has a hot spot from rubbing against the inside of the trigger guard. I think a more curved trigger would help keep the finger a little higher and away from rubbing.


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PRP released their trigger shoe and springs for the echelon last week. It’s slightly more curved.

[Tokarev]

PRP released their trigger shoe and springs for the echelon last week. It’s slightly more curved.Aha. I didn't know such a critter existed.

https://powderriverprecision.com/powder-river-precision-trigger-for-springfield-echelon/

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[Brianjkeene]

Aha. I didn't know such a critter existed.

https://powderriverprecision.com/powder-river-precision-trigger-for-springfield-echelon/

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They have a video of the install and the pull characteristics on their YouTube.

[Screwball]

Unsure if it was covered… Springfield changed the extensions a little bit.

https://i.imgur.com/vlVHf72.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/In1PS5b.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/b2kEa0S.jpg

The metal floor plate is slightly different, too. Left is the original, right is new… notice the angle. Seems to keep the piece centered. Old one moves right/left when installed.

https://i.imgur.com/MyLLS3z.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/8NUtYtl.jpg

[Tokarev]

Unsure if it was covered… Springfield changed the extensions a little bit.

https://i.imgur.com/vlVHf72.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/In1PS5b.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/b2kEa0S.jpg

The metal floor plate is slightly different, too. Left is the original, right is new… notice the angle. Seems to keep the piece centered. Old one moves right/left when installed.

https://i.imgur.com/MyLLS3z.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/8NUtYtl.jpgMust be a redesign to assist with the self-disassembly problems some users have reported.

I had the C&H ACRO plate in my shopping cart today but didn't get around to completing the purchase. I'm more curious than anything really. I haven't had any issues with the pin system.

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[Tokarev]

https://youtu.be/8-KOOZvsu08?si=vc3gFNd_rehBVogz

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[Tokarev]

300 rounds fired yesterday. The gun still continues to run fine. Total now is 1,532. It is getting pretty dirty.

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[Tokarev]

I'm at 1,687 now. Not too many rounds to go.

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[Tokarev]

Some additional color options now available:

https://store.springfield-armory.com/echelon-grip-module/

I haven't really looked into it but I think the large grip module would feel pretty good with whatever backstrap glued on and then flattened. It would probably give something similar in size and shape to a 2011 grip.

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[Tackleberry40sw]

I just picked up an Echelon. I am looking forward to getting it to the range.

[Tokarev]

I just picked up an Echelon. I am looking forward to getting it to the range.Let us know how it works when you get a chance.

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[Tackleberry40sw]

I will keep and log and post the results. I plan to get and mount a Holosun SCS-320 and mount a light. If it runs and works for me like the one I rented, this will be replacing my Glock for off duty. I'm stuck with the Glock for duty until retirement in 5 years, 4 months and 1 day from today.

[bofe954]

Is the grip angle glock'ish or more 1911? I am looking for a backup/loaner USPSA and was thinking this or M&P. I like everything about the M&P except I don't know if they ever fixed the accuracy issues and I'd really like to leave whatever it is bone stock.

[Tokarev]

Is the grip angle glock'ish or more 1911? I am looking for a backup/loaner USPSA and was thinking this or M&P. I like everything about the M&P except I don't know if they ever fixed the accuracy issues and I'd really like to leave whatever it is bone stock.I find the grip angle to be sort of in between. It points slightly high for me but not fully Glock high. Close but not all the way there. Playing with the various grip back straps may change this to an extent.


...retirement in 5 years, 4 months and 1 day from today.

Who's counting? Don't worry. It'll go by quick!

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[Tackleberry40sw]

Tokarev, I have one observation just from handling the Echelon compared to my Gen 5 Glocks. I can reach and actuate the magazine release on the Echelon without breaking and adjusting my grip where I have to break and adjust my grip on the Glocks to actuate the magazine release.

[Tackleberry40sw]

200 flawless rounds of Norma 124 gr. ball down range. I'm really impressed with this pistol.

[Tokarev]

200 flawless rounds of Norma 124 gr. ball down range. I'm really impressed with this pistol.

The trigger should get better. Mine was decent out of the box and has only gotten smoother with use. Even as dirty as that area of the gun is it has a nice smooth trigger.

I had planned on completing the 2K review this past weekend but some stuff came up. Hopefully here in the next day or two I'll be done.

Anyway, it turns out I'm not a trend setter after all....

https://www.shootingillustrated.com/content/springfield-armory-echelon-2000-round-test/

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[Tackleberry40sw]

Anyway, it turns out I'm not a trend setter after all....

Great minds think alike.

[Tokarev]

Another review.

https://inside.safariland.com/blog/springfield-echelon-a-new-generation-of-duty-pistol/?absrc=klaviyo&abid=3%2F6%20-%20CADRE%20DISPATCH%20%233&_kx=fg3aKHHZHixiu1oB5-syZCwDxen6iQPlu1bK1mWgapg.XvM6gy

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[Tokarev]

Done!

Time to clean the gun. It is pretty nasty. One thing I note is that brass is hitting the front of my Viridian RFX44. I don't remember seeing anything like this when I had the EPS on here. Guess what? The EPS is going back on. The Viridian seems decent enough but there's no point in playing the "bouncing back into the ejection port because the optic sits too close" game if I don't have to.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240310/024d14594b0d566c11ab4c7b1cefe579.jpg

Overall this really seems to be a decent handgun. I wouldn't be so bold as to say it is duty ready based on my personal account but I also wouldn't hesitate to recommend the Echelon to someone who was interested in buying one.

What else? Does anyone have any questions I can maybe answer?

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[Polecat]

Can’t wait to see what the smaller versions are like! I am curious if they take it all the way to micro; compact, sub, micro. Modularity is great. If they offer a micro which can be configured like the P365 series would be outstanding.

[Tokarev]

Can’t wait to see what the smaller versions are like! I am curious if they take it all the way to micro; compact, sub, micro. Modularity is great. If they offer a micro which can be configured like the P365 series would be outstanding.Right? I don't know what has kept SA from better supporting this gun. I have no doubt that G19 and/or G45 options will be available. I just wonder what's taken so long to get these to market. Unanticipated demand or some sort of manufacturing difficulty?

A couple other things would be nice to see. A version with a (correctly designed and ergonomic) thumb safety would be nice. I think there would also be some interest in a slide that's direct milled for an ACRO or 509T. The VIS seems decent enough but I think departments looking at the Echelon might prefer a direct mount option.



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[Tokarev]

SPRINGFIELD ARMORY ECHELON RECEIVES MTR GOLD RANKING FROM NATIONAL TACTICAL OFFICERS ASSOCIATION

https://www.springfield-armory.com/intel/press-releases/springfield-armory-echelon-receives-mtr-gold-ranking-from-national-tactical-officers-association/

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[4RNR]

This is the first gun that size that I've owned that I cant seem to connect with. At first shots were all grouping well but to the right. Played with the back straps, which i never had to do before for any gun. Whatever it has out of the box has never made a difference to me. That didnt really fix the problem. Ordered the big grip module. That seemed better. Now shots are centered but distinctly harsh recoil. If I didnt know it was a 9 I would have to check if I was shooting a 40

[Tackleberry40sw]

I put another 200 rounds out with the Echelon this past Saturday along with shooting my duty G17.5 with RMR06 and my off duty G34.5 with Swampfox Kraken. Once I finished with the Echelon and went back to the Glocks, the Glocks felt foreign and like a 2x4 in comparison to the Echelon.

I ordered an SCS-320 this morning to go on the Echelon.

[Tokarev]

Joe Kurtenbach reviews the Echelon


https://www.thearmorylife.com/tested-threaded-barrel-echelon/?_hsenc=p2ANqtz--m2HbuJBnQY8oAyZWe1LWjdHxYeXzXVK_5bYuUzu24HSoPJOpXi CPZZJjbGwae54oA_ritBtzG2eslbNYl15gg_1vp8w&_hsmi=301247753

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[Texaspoff]

I sure wish Springfield would get on it and release a 4 inch version. It also doesn't help that Safariland can't get their shit together and released a standard duty holster for it. They still only have ones requiring an optic and WML and not every officer in the US wants or has all that mounted on their duty pistol. Slow rowing boat this Echelon is shaping up to be.

LOL, highly adaptable Springfield says, but to what? New frame colors are about the only thing out there right now.




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[Polecat]

Has anyone read or heard how far they will take this thing? Will they offer Compact, sub, and heck even micro versions? I think it has great potential. I really like the concept of interchangeable backstraps along with different frames. I hope they do the compact like the M&P series, 4” and 3.5”, and heck compact grip or fullsize! Lots of potential.

[Texaspoff]

Has anyone read or heard how far they will take this thing? Will they offer Compact, sub, and heck even micro versions? I think it has great potential. I really like the concept of interchangeable backstraps along with different frames. I hope they do the compact like the M&P series, 4” and 3.5”, and heck compact grip or fullsize! Lots of potential.

Thats what im hoping for as well. The biggest drawback I see is the fact it's produced by HS Produkt. That in and of itself will slow things down.






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[Tackleberry40sw]

The SCS-320 arrived Thursday ans the screws from Tacrig came yesterday (Info referenced in thread https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?59414-Springfield-Echelon-Department-Adaption). I mounted the SCS-320 using the front pins from set three and the rear pins from set 2 as referenced in the thread above. I'll head to the range tomorrow and sight her in.

[Brianjkeene]

Just a render from someone on the internet but I like what I see.

117084

[Tokarev]

Interesting. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240411/b6c4b094522a9e65edfe3d5883224717.jpg

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[Brianjkeene]

Interesting. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240411/b6c4b094522a9e65edfe3d5883224717.jpg

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Wish it was Wilson. Icarus makes some goofy looking stuff and, often times, needs a new holster.

[Polecat]

You would think they would be working on the models, hopefully more, that BJK posted instead of hyping am aftermarket frame. Come on Springfield already!

[Brianjkeene]

Sharp Bros aluminum frame. Cool thing is that it accepts 320 AXG magwells.


https://sharpsbros.com/sbgm16-sharps-echelon-improved-grip-module-black-with-brazilian-cherry-grips/

[Tackleberry40sw]

****UPDATE****

I love everything about the Echelon except for the ambi mag release. I have had several instances where the right side magazine release has been actuated and the magazine drop out when drawing. I am waiting for the Apex Tactical single sided magazine release to come back into stock to get one and install it to remedy the issue. Otyherwise, I really like the pistol that i have the Holosun SCS-320 and a light on.

[Tokarev]

the right side magazine release has been actuated and the magazine drop out when drawing.

What's bumping it?

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[Tackleberry40sw]

What's bumping it?

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I believe in and out of the car pressing the seat belt connection. I using the Werkz holster https://werkz.com/m62o001olfs2r.html that uses the light for retention but is more of a universal fit for the pistol. The holster covers the magazine release and flexes and puts pressure on the mag release. I am also contemplating another holster. I'm still going to go ahead with the Apex single sided mag release.

[Tackleberry40sw]

I ordered the Tyrant CNC Single Sided Magazine Release which arrived in today's mail. The swap literally took 1 minute. The fit and finish of the magazine release is good and it is working without any issues.

[Tokarev]

Icarus grip modules available for pre-order.

https://www.icarusprecision.com/online-store/A-C-E-Echelon-Full-**Pre-Order**-p691490967

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[Timbonez]

Those grip modules don't look terrible. I'm not sure I'd get one though.

[Tokarev]

Now available with manual safety.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240910/c50543bac82f339cc7eb22999ddf3a4b.jpg

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[HeavyDuty]

Now available with manual safety.

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I was just coming to post that. https://www.springfield-armory.com/echelon-series-handguns/echelon-handguns/echelon-45-9mm-handgun-manual-safety/

How long before someone comes out with a rideable safety lever?

TheNewbie

[HeavyDuty]

Does anyone know how the manual safety functions on these - is it a sear block or a trigger bar block?