New Jersey just enacted largest gun ban in US history

[oakdalecurtis]

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/breaking-new-jersey-has-enacted-the-largest-gun-ban-in-us-history/

[Stephanie B]

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/breaking-new-jersey-has-enacted-the-largest-gun-ban-in-us-history/

I will bet, with 99% certainty, that the law, as reported by TTAG, will not survive judicial review.

[Totem Polar]

I will bet, with 99% certainty, that the law, as reported by TTAG, will not survive judicial review.

98 percent chance that the hysteria lives on to fight another day though…

[JRB]

98 percent chance that the hysteria lives on to fight another day though…

Until the people who write up, support, and vote for such nonsense laws start facing bona fide consequences for attempting to pass them, nothing will change.

It will continue to be the 'maybe it'll work this time' system where they have unlimited taxpayer-funded attempts to turn regular folks into felons as fast and as broadly as they desire.

[Totem Polar]

Until the people who write up, support, and vote for such nonsense laws start facing bona fide consequences for attempting to pass them, nothing will change.

It will continue to be the 'maybe it'll work this time' system where they have unlimited taxpayer-funded attempts to turn regular folks into felons as fast and as broadly as they desire.

Yeah, that’s about right.

[High Cross]

I had a 70 year old Stevens 311 made for sears and BB pistol I inherited from my grandfather I had to get rid of.

[Bucky]

So glad I got out of that shit hole 20 years ago. There are undoubtedly thousands of so called felons that don’t even know it, even before this was passed.

[whomever]

What about a gun made before '68 (when manufacturing licenses became a thing)? If it was made by Colt/Winchester/Remington, which are companies that hold licenses today, I suppose the pre-68 company records could qualify as 'imprinted with a serial number registered with a federally licensed manufacturer'. As in, they got a license in '68, and their records for pre '68 guns count as 'registered with'.

But what about that Garand made by Springfield Armory (the government one, not the current FFL with that name), or International Harvester? I doubt International Harvester got an FFL in 1968, so wouldn't your IH Garand be a no-no now?

As would any gun made by a company that went out of business prior to '68.

If there is a fire in the Colt records storage room, do the guns whose records go up in smoke become contraband?


My hope for a test case: someone has a musket inherited from their great-great-...-great-granddaddy who served in the Continental Army.

[High Cross]

What about a gun made before '68 (when manufacturing licenses became a thing)? If it was made by Colt/Winchester/Remington, which are companies that hold licenses today, I suppose the pre-68 company records could qualify as 'imprinted with a serial number registered with a federally licensed manufacturer'. As in, they got a license in '68, and their records for pre '68 guns count as 'registered with'.

But what about that Garand made by Springfield Armory (the government one, not the current FFL with that name), or International Harvester? I doubt International Harvester got an FFL in 1968, so wouldn't your IH Garand be a no-no now?

As would any gun made by a company that went out of business prior to '68.

If there is a fire in the Colt records storage room, do the guns whose records go up in smoke become contraband?


My hope for a test case: someone has a musket inherited from their great-great-...-great-granddaddy who served in the Continental Army.
No exemption for pre 68 firearms. You can get all your answers on this gun lawyer podcast episode https://gun.lawyer/episode-135-largest-gun-ban-in-usa/

[Kyle Reese]

Well, this should solve the crime problem in New Jersey, no?


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[JRB]

Well, this should solve the crime problem in New Jersey, no?


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Well if solving the crime problem starts by making a ton of easy-to-convict felons out of regular folks with zero priors, then yes.

[BCG]

Well, this should solve the crime problem in New Jersey, no?


Well if solving the crime problem starts by making a ton of easy-to-convict felons out of regular folks with zero priors, then yes.

“If you can’t catch criminals, criminalize the people you can catch.”

[BillSWPA]

it is most likely that neither the legislators who voted for the bill nor the governor who signed it had any idea about tis full implications as written. Their intent was simply to ban partially completed frames and 3D printed guns. They most likely lacked both the knowledge and diligence to understand that most guns made prior to 1968 were not required to have a serial number. This was stupidity more than maliciousness.

Unfortunately, when one of the more urban/antigun police departments in NJ arrests someone with grandpa's old deer shotgun from 1953, the court will look to the statute as written. Unless that language is ambiguous, that is as far as they will look.

[shane45]

You make the mistake of thinking they care. Ownership of firearms in NJ is banned. Ownership only happens through exceptions. Thus all firearm ownership in NJ is at the peril of the owner. Any chance to stick it to gun owners in NJ is seized at every opportunity. They do not care about unintended consequences.

[camel]

I’m in the northeast but not from New Jersey. Badly written laws are a failure of citizens to hold politician’s to a standard. Jersey voted for it they got it. I suspect and hope that the general consensus of these laws are stupid will be overturned by state legislature. But I don’t have much hope.

[shane45]

Its not that simple. The liberal dem cities outvote the rest of the state.

[BillSWPA]

I grew up in northwest NJ. My house as well as almost every other house in the neighborhood had at least some guns. Guns are quite common in rural/suburban parts of the state. Police departments in those regions can be gun-friendly.