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Any first hand experience?
Have an opportunity to get a 40Cal version at a good price.
And for that matter, the 92/96A1s.
shootist26
10-19-2012, 01:59 PM
Any first hand experience?
Have an opportunity to get a 40Cal version at a good price.
The "dash" was not very popular because of its very slippery grip and the fact that there were basically no aftermarket grips/holsters/etc for it. I have seen a bunch of them at pretty low prices
deejai
10-19-2012, 09:40 PM
Does the new frame buffers solve the frame cracking problems that the old 96 used to have?
DocGKR
10-19-2012, 10:03 PM
Stay away from Beretta .40's.
37th Mass
10-19-2012, 10:10 PM
Does the new frame buffers solve the frame cracking problems that the old 96 used to have?
The buffer probably helps, but I don't know if it 'solves' the problem. Switching to 9mm seems to work pretty well. :cool:
I don't need another Beretta, but if they came out with a 92A1"G" that had checkered front and backstraps, I would be pretty tempted...
I really like my two Berettas, but sometimes I think that company is determined not to mass produce pistols that people actually want.
shootist26
10-19-2012, 10:36 PM
M9A1 frame + 92G Compact slide = M9A1-G Centurion
There is your perfect pistol right there. I would take it over any other gun.
M9A1 frame + 92G Compact slide = M9A1-G Centurion
There is your perfect pistol right there. I would take it over any other gun.
There are rumors of an M9A1 Compact Inox, but chances are it's typical Beretta vaporware. If they ever do produce it, I'll snag one in a heartbeat and throw my 92G Compact slide on it.
Joe in PNG
10-20-2012, 12:42 AM
But wouldn't you all rather have this neat rotating barrel Storm instead? :p
Bailed on the Italian stuff.
Got more Belgium stuff. ;) :cool:
Tamara
10-20-2012, 07:10 PM
Stay away from Beretta .40's.
This.
I had no problems with mine, but that had more to do with the lack of mileage put on any individual gun than with the soundness of the platform as observed on customer guns...
Gary1911A1
10-21-2012, 08:00 AM
The Ohio State Patrol issued the Beretta 96 in .40 and had nothing but problems with them breaking down. In fairness the 96 issued did not have the thicker slide that added more weight. The Beretta is just one of several pistols that are OK in 9MM, but don't wear well in .40.
threedogdad
10-23-2012, 09:24 AM
Stay away from Beretta .40's.
Never had any problems with my 96A1 and it got shot a lot, at least during the year I owned it. Sold it because I sold all of my .40 caliber pistols, all my .40 brass, dies and ammo. Nice pistol otherwise. Very well put together and very accurate. The thick grip didn't feel great in my hand, but that would be the same for any Beretta 90-Series pistol, whether chambered in 9mm or .40 caliber.
TCinVA
10-23-2012, 10:19 AM
Never had any problems with my 96A1 and it got shot a lot, at least during the year I owned it. Sold it because I sold all of my .40 caliber pistols, all my .40 brass, dies and ammo. Nice pistol otherwise. Very well put together and very accurate. The thick grip didn't feel great in my hand, but that would be the same for any Beretta 90-Series pistol, whether chambered in 9mm or .40 caliber.
Sadly lots of agencies attempted to issue .40 caliber 90 series Berettas only to find out that they self-destructed rather early. The Border Patrol's issues with their 96 pistols were legion.
ToddG
10-23-2012, 10:48 AM
Never had any problems with my 96A1 and it got shot a lot, at least during the year I owned it.
Can you be more specific than "a lot?" Did you shoot hundreds, thousands, or tens of thousands of rounds through it?
The 96-series guns in general did not fare well in .40-cal. There were substantial reliability issues mostly related to feed problems and more importantly there were tremendous durability failures. The Al-framed guns were good for 10k rounds before they'd begin cracking pretty consistently. The gun was just never intended for the .40 S&W cartridge and didn't function well with it.
Plenty of agencies switched to 96-series guns but many of them developed severe problems. The shining star for Beretta was INS & Border Patrol (this is pre-9/11, DHS, and ICE/CBP). A little known fact, however, is that INS had a standing policy that as soon as a firearm reached 10,000 rounds it was taken out of service permanently.
It's probably a big part of what pushed Beretta out of the LE market. While companies like Glock & SIG were busy convincing departments to trade out 9mm guns for new .40-cal Glocks at no cost, Beretta was desperately trying to convince customers to stick with 9mm. We knew that as soon as a department decided to go with the .40 they were either going to buy a different brand today or buy Beretta, have problems, and then buy a different brand tomorrow.
One of the earliest design criteria for the Vertec was to beef up the gun and better tune it for running in .40 S&W, but the General Manager at the time, Steve Parsick, was unwilling to spend the money necessary to engineer and implement those changes. It wasn't long after that I invited Steve to copulate with a sharp stick in a very loud voice in front of a number of Beretta executives, then immediately followed it up with "and I quit."
Byron
10-23-2012, 10:53 AM
It wasn't long after that I invited Steve to copulate with a sharp stick in a very loud voice in front of a number of Beretta executives, then immediately followed it up with "and I quit."
Hehehe, that's the story that ended with you earning the respect of a MD State Trooper during a traffic stop, right? :D
ToddG
10-23-2012, 10:56 AM
Hehehe, that's the story that ended with you earning the respect of a MD State Trooper during a traffic stop, right? :D
PG County Police Department Sergeant, but yes, same day. :cool:
SecondsCount
10-23-2012, 12:17 PM
PG County Police Department Sergeant, but yes, same day. :cool:
Classic line from the story- "I F'n hate my Beretta!"
Nephrology
10-23-2012, 12:48 PM
PG County Police Department Sergeant, but yes, same day. :cool:
Do you mind re-telling it, or at least linking to the story in full?
ToddG
10-23-2012, 01:10 PM
Do you mind re-telling it, or at least linking to the story in full?
There is no story, but if there were, it would sound a lot like this (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?5745-Fictional-Story&p=97664#post97664).
37th Mass
10-24-2012, 02:20 AM
There is no story, but if there were, it would sound a lot like this (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?5745-Fictional-Story&p=97664#post97664).
Wow! :eek:
threedogdad
10-24-2012, 06:59 AM
Can you be more specific than "a lot?" Did you shoot hundreds, thousands, or tens of thousands of rounds through it?
You're right. "A lot" is meaningless if left undefined. I guess what I should have written was more along these lines:
I owned a 96A1 for less than a year (not a very long time), during the first couple months of which I shot the "2,000 round challenge" (not a whole lot of rounds) with no problems. No stoppages, no parts broken, nothing...at least during my short period of ownership.
But I do understand two things: 1) This ain't a heckuva lot of rounds downrange in the grand scheme of things, and 2) The 96A1 is not the same old animal as the original 96, so my experience is in no way illustrative of what the Border Patrol of Maryland Highway Patrol may have suffered. Just offered it, inelegantly and more as a question than a fact...i.e. my own experience with the .40 Beretta has been brief, but positive. What specific problems have others had and do the weaknesses of the 96 follow on to the 96A1?
WilsonCombatRep
10-25-2012, 03:43 PM
I absolutely detest the 90-2 :)
I spent a day trying to teach a guy to shoot one that he just "had to have". Oh well.
ToddG
10-25-2012, 03:56 PM
I absolutely detest the 90-2 :)
I spent a day trying to teach a guy to shoot one that he just "had to have". Oh well.
Talk to your boss. He's a whiz with a 90-series Beretta! In fact my recollection is that he shot the first IDPA Nationals with one. Which isn't something most people would expect from a famous gunsmith-turned-1911-mogul.
I have 2 96Ds. The 1st one was an 'issued' weapon and I carried it for about 8 years. Fired about 8,000 rds thru it. Its replacement was the Brigadier. Carried it about 8 years. Retired, I still carry it. Probably about 10,000 rds thru it.
I don't think either of them ever stopped running on me.
When they get filthy, you can feel the slide slow down on them.
I was responsible for transition training when they were issued. I saw alot of them. The only issues I ever saw were a few magazines that cracked down the back.
I know of 2 trigger return springs breaking. One had about 10,000 dry fire rds. Not sure about the other one.
I've heard lots of complaints about the gun, but I always liked them....jkm
I absolutely detest the 90-2 :)
I spent a day trying to teach a guy to shoot one that he just "had to have". Oh well.
I mean this as nicely as possible - you guys are absolutely no fun. None at all.
My Carrera 2 isn't "practical" either, but man, it just is soooo much fun!
WilsonCombatRep
10-28-2012, 07:42 AM
Talk to your boss. He's a whiz with a 90-series Beretta! In fact my recollection is that he shot the first IDPA Nationals with one. Which isn't something most people would expect from a famous gunsmith-turned-1911-mogul.
He loves the 92. I was talking 90-2. I found them verrrry different animals.
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