GLock Gen 4 in .40

[Prdator]

With all the talk of the 4th Gen 9's being very spotty on reliability, I want to know how the Gen 4 .40's have been running?

I have 5 Gen 4's in .40, two G35's two, G22's and a G23. They are all 100% to this point!! ( excluding the bad ammo, primers in backwards). I have 2500 ish rounds though one of the G22's and 3000 + though the G35's.

I do see some wear on the extractor on all of the 4th gen's but do not see the issues that the 9's have.

How has yours ran?

[steve]

I had a Gen4 22 with the non-counterbore slide. Ran 2000 duty rounds through it and it was flawless. Sold it because I got out of .40's.

[TCinVA]

I haven't heard of even a hint of problems with the .40 Gen 4's.

[SLG]

Glock has never made a good .40. I just today heard a reliable report about a large agency that is having nothing but problems with their gen 4 .40's. Every agency/unit that issues .40's in quantity has had problems, the gen 4 seem to be no different.

[jslaker]

Glock has never made a good .40. I just today heard a reliable report about a large agency that is having nothing but problems with their gen 4 .40's. Every agency/unit that issues .40's in quantity has had problems, the gen 4 seem to be no different.

That makes for some pretty serious egg on Glock's face if so.

[RTS]

I have a gen 4 22 and two gen 4 23`s with over 7000 rounds through them in total (approximately equal amounts through each,) with perfect function. The 22 is an early model that came with the original unmarked spring and the slide without the counterbore. I had no problems with that configuration, but upgraded to the 0-1-1 spring after it was available, with 300 rounds with the new spring. No problems noted. I had sold all of my gen 3 .40`s after feeding issues (usually nosedive FTF with the rounds nosediving within the magazines,) and decided to give the gen 4`s a try when they came out. I can recall more issues (although rare,) with my gen 3 9mm`s than I have had so far with the gen 4 40`s.

[DocGKR]

The gen 4 G22's appear to be better than the abysmal 3rd gen G22's, although that is not saying much. Early last year, several very large LE agencies had severe problems during testing of 4th gen G22's; by later in the fall, revised versions of the 4th gen G22's arrived that were running much better. While continuing to improve, in aggregate the 4th gen G22's still do not appear to be as trouble free as 2nd and 3rd gen G17's...

[RTS]

The gen 4 G22's appear to be better than the abysmal 3rd gen G22's, although that is not saying much. Early last year, several very large LE agencies had severe problems during testing of 4th gen G22's; by later in the fall, revised versions of the 4th gen G22's arrived that were running much better. While continuing to improve, in aggregate the 4th gen G22's still do not appear to be as trouble free as 2nd and 3rd gen G17's...

What type of problems did they have with them? I had heard of some broken strikers using certain types of ammo. I have also heard of issues with the original unmarked spring coming apart with time in some guns; is that what was experienced by the agencies that you mentioned? It sounds like they did well in the BATF trials.

[TCinVA]

Glock has never made a good .40. I just today heard a reliable report about a large agency that is having nothing but problems with their gen 4 .40's. Every agency/unit that issues .40's in quantity has had problems, the gen 4 seem to be no different.

I knew as soon as I made my previous statement somebody would come along with horror stories.

I'd certainly be interested in hearing more about the Gen 4 .40 issues because it's been crickets so far. All the complaining I've heard to this point has centered on the 9mm family.

[SLG]

TC,

Let's talk in May.


RTS,

Todd could probably speak much more intelligently than me about this, but Glock always does well in trials. When they deliver, things don't seem to go as well. I hope (hoped?) the gen 4's would do better, since the only people who suffer when they don't is us. I admit that I don't like glock, but until now, I would have said that a G19/17 was as functional a gun as there is. What a gun could do in the past is pretty meaningless. If you can't buy a great gun, off the shelf today, then there is a problem. BTW, I carried glocks in both 9 and .40 for almost half of my career. I would be willing to do so again, if they can get their act together. The bigger problem is, almost none of the gun companies have their act together these days, and buying a fighting pistol out of the box, is getting tougher and tougher. As an individual, it's not all doom and gloom, but when you have to buy for large groups of people, who trust you to buy a high quality gun, the situation becomes problematic.

Sorry for the rant, but passing your personal guns off as an example of anything, especially when they only have a few thousand rounds through them, gets me frustrated. The last time I saw any issues with glock personally, there were 30 people on the line, shooting several thousand rounds, each, that week. Before that, there were 50 people on the line. I might be able to go so far as to say that I have never not seen a problem with glocks when there are lots of people shooting lots of rounds. That may not matter for you, but it does matter to that group.

[RTS]

Thanks for the feedback; I do not mean to cause you any frustration with the admittedly anecdotal experience that I related. I am truly interested in the problems that have occurred with others with their gen 4 40`s and value input from others that have see a lot more of them than I do. Information about the specific problems that others have seen would be helpful. I have had problems with the gen 4 19 that I have with the 0-3 spring (the same issues that Todd noted with the G17,) but so far my 40`s have been good. Thanks in advance for further input.

[Frank B]

IMHO, the point is, that I never can collect such amount of data as an individual compared to an agency.
If my guns are running well, means only my guns running well.

[TCinVA]

The bigger problem is, almost none of the gun companies have their act together these days, and buying a fighting pistol out of the box, is getting tougher and tougher.


Indeed. Even basic QC in the industry overall is at probably the lowest point it's ever been in my lifetime. Behold:

http://i54.tinypic.com/2vbwk5j.jpg
http://i51.tinypic.com/2nhos4l.jpg

[SLG]

RTS,

No worries, I sometimes overreact to sample size issues.

[Chuck Haggard]

I've run into the same issue.

I hear from people constantly when I mention issues with the 3rd gen Glock 22s, "My gun has never had a problem".

So what?

I had 350 of them that did, and other agencies like Indianapolis, Indiana State Police, Milwaukee, etc. have also had issues.

Seriously, I didn't call their mom a bad name, I merely said that a certain model of gun has issues, but people get all butt hurt about it.

[RTS]

The OP asked about how the gen 4 40`s have been working for others; that was responded to. The question has been asked as to what issues have been occuring with the gen 4 40`s. Nobody seems to be complaining of butt pain.

[steve]

Indeed. Even basic QC in the industry overall is at probably the lowest point it's ever been in my lifetime. Behold:

http://i54.tinypic.com/2vbwk5j.jpg
http://i51.tinypic.com/2nhos4l.jpg

That revolver was manufactured for me. They looked at my targets and compensated accordingly.

[Prdator]

I might be able to go so far as to say that I have never not seen a problem with glocks when there are lots of people shooting lots of rounds. That may not matter for you, but it does matter to that group.

SLG,

So have you seen Any handgun run problem free under these conditions?

I understand yours and TPD223 frustration with one off reliability reports. I have the same issue in class, ( Well MY Tarurs has never malled, is a once a week quote, then we shoot and have the AHA moment) But a few thousand trouble free rounds, better grip, lower recoil has me SOLD on the Gen 4.40's. ( mine any how)

I spoke to a good Bud of mine who is the Training sergeant for large local PD and they are going Gen 4 .40's soon so we'll have some more data soon.

[mongooseman]

My agency is a small department (approximately 35 sworn officers) that recently switched to Gen 4's. Mainly 22's with a sprinkling of 23's and one or two 27's. Zero problems.

[Prdator]

My agency is a small department (approximately 35 sworn officers) that recently switched to Gen 4's. Mainly 22's with a sprinkling of 23's and one or two 27's. Zero problems.


That's good news!!
Any Idea how many rounds though them on average?

[SLG]

SLG,

So have you seen Any handgun run problem free under these conditions?


9mm Sig P229 and P229R's, using the latest mags that Sig made for them (this was circa 2004-2008, I wouldn't want to bet on sig reliability today), all ran flawlessly for over 20,000 rounds a year, year after year, in mud, rain, dust, desert, cold and hot. Clean or dirty, as long as they had enough lube, they ran. I only had about 100 samples to look at, so not a huge number, but better than most. Some of those guns were replaced from time to time, but not because of any catastrophic failures.

Note that I'm referring to reliability here, not overall durability. Occasionally a safety lever would break, or some other small part. As soon as it was replaced (armorer level maintenance), the gun was back up and running.

I've never seen a group of guns that didn't need something, but my experience is limited. I do expect though, that I never will see 100 guns run for 100,000 rounds with no parts breakage or reliability issues.

[Prdator]

SLG,

Dude your experience in this is WAY above most!!

I just wanted to know if any gun had meet the goal we're all looking for! I do fined it odd as I love Sigs but really never ( now) think of them as a Top Tier gun.

I really hope that what we're all doing now will push ALL the manufactures to produce better guns.

Thanks!!