Best .45 Auto Revolver

[SwampDweller]

I'm on a bit of a revolver kick right now. I have a lot of .45 Auto ammo and reloading components, and I really like the idea of a double action, defense-oriented .45 Auto revolver. Unfortunately there are very few choices and it looks like I'm going to have to buy one second hand, though I really would prefer NOS/Unfired condition. It looks like my choices are:

-S&W Model 22 (either original production or one of the newer repros that are also no longer in production AFAIK)
-S&W 625 (Also out of production, and I'm iffy on the QC on the 625's made most recently given S&W's current QC problems)
-S&W Model 25: Again, old production, and would need to find one in .45 Auto rather than .45 Colt
-S&W Governor: Frankly, not interested due to size, shape, and current QC of S&W
-Ruger Redhawk .45 Colt/Auto: I really, really like the idea of this, but IIRC these have always had reliability issues. I'm not even sure Ruger makes them anymore.

I see a few NOS Model 22's and 25's on Gunbroker, however they only take checks/money orders and in this day and age I do not feel comfortable mailing that amount of money in the postal system.

Are there any choices I'm not aware of or forgot about? Is it crazy for me to consider getting a 6-shot .45 Auto revolver for carry when I have capable, higher capacity autoloaders in the same caliber? Should I just stick with .357/.38 for my revolver cartridge and get another GP100 7-shot like I was planning?

I feel that in many self defense situations, the revolver may offer some reliability advantages concerning poor grip, something coming in contact with the slide while cycling, shooting within a vehicle (as DB notes, many auto malfunctions happen inside vehicles while shooting in "space"), etc. Not to mention going to ban states.

[okie john]

I’m no fan of rimless cartridges in revolvers, so I’d go GP-100 of the choices you mentioned.

There’s a nest of 625 guys on S&W Forums. They know all the tricks and liabilities.

gunbroker.com will eventually yield a pre-lock 625 that’s local to you. Definitely get something with adjustable sights—the cartridge is versatile enough to merit them.


Okie John

[Dave T]

Gun writer Mike Venturino claimed the 45 ACP as his favorite revolver cartridge. I'm not too far from there as I believe a 45 ACP revolver loaded with Moonclips provides the fastest reload in the revolver world. Even with JHPs the rounded shoulders just drop into those big chambers like they're going home.

Sadly none of the offerings that make a good carry gun are widely available anymore. Smith has ceased production on every decent one they've made. If you are serious about actually carrying on your person grab your wallet and look for a used/second hand 325 Night Guard. Another possibility is the 325 PD, although I personally don't like the Titanium cylinder. On the heavier side there is the pre-lock 625 3". I don't believe they had the QC problems that S&W is known for today.

I'm having a fun 45 ACP revolver built by a gunsmith friend, based on the 1937 Brazilian S&W. He has cut the original 5.5" barrel down to 3.5", added a ramp and visible front sight. The sample gun was someone's attempt to build a target gun so the top strap was cut for a S&W adjustable rear sight. My guy has made a custom fixed rear sight that fills the milled out top strap. It's getting a finish added as we speak. I'll get some pictures posted, along with a range report when it's done. Not sure if my busted up self can carry that weight anymore but we shall see. (smile)

Dave

[Velo Dog]

Gun writer Mike Venturino claimed the 45 ACP as his favorite revolver cartridge

.45 ACP/.45 Auto Rim

The Best Ever Revolver Cartridge! - American Handgunner
https://americanhandgunner.com/handguns/the-best-ever-revolver-cartridge/

[Borderland]

I have a 625-8 JM, probably about 17 years old. The quality isn't the same as my earlier S&W's but it works just fine.

Issues are reloading for it. I've gone to 200 grn bullets with a crimp groove and use a profile crimp die. That was due to bullet creep and probably worn out field brass. Some people never have a problem with it but I experienced it and solved the problem.

On the plus side you can easily mount a dot on it which I did.

If I had it to do over I'd probably would just buy new AR brass and skip the moon clips.

Now that it's out of production everyone wants one. ;)

That's the only 45 acp revolver I have.

[SwampDweller]

I’m no fan of rimless cartridges in revolvers, so I’d go GP-100 of the choices you mentioned.

There’s a nest of 625 guys on S&W Forums. They know all the tricks and liabilities.

gunbroker.com will eventually yield a pre-lock 625 that’s local to you. Definitely get something with adjustable sights—the cartridge is versatile enough to merit them.


Okie John

What are the downsides of a rimless cartridge such as .45 Auto in a revolver? Other than needing moonclips or AR brass?

[R89074]

Try to find a S&W 22-4. These guns do not seem to have gotten more expensive after being discontinued.
https://i.imgur.com/ARzQOe2.jpg

[camel]

Try to find a S&W 22-4. These guns do not seem to have gotten more expensive after being discontinued.
https://i.imgur.com/ARzQOe2.jpg

They might in the future now.

[03RN]

My m625 mg I had milled for moon clips looses a lot of velocity but otherwise is a effin awesome gun. I typically carry it wit .r5 colt 270gr swc at 950fps and 2 moon clips with 230gr HST +p at 800fps.
103673

Maybe look for a m1917 too . Back when I was looking for my MG I saw a couple 4" m625 with a tapered barrel and ejector rod housing with a spot milled out for $1200 ish. That's what I'd look for.

[SwampDweller]

Try to find a S&W 22-4. These guns do not seem to have gotten more expensive after being discontinued.
https://i.imgur.com/ARzQOe2.jpg

On gunbroker I found a nice one but it's $1395 and the seller only accepts mailed checks/money orders. After seeing and experiencing the amount of post-2020 postal thievery I don't feel comfortable sending it physically with no recourse.

[HCM]

I'm on a bit of a revolver kick right now. I have a lot of .45 Auto ammo and reloading components, and I really like the idea of a double action, defense-oriented .45 Auto revolver. Unfortunately there are very few choices and it looks like I'm going to have to buy one second hand, though I really would prefer NOS/Unfired condition. It looks like my choices are:

-S&W Model 22 (either original production or one of the newer repros that are also no longer in production AFAIK)
-S&W 625 (Also out of production, and I'm iffy on the QC on the 625's made most recently given S&W's current QC problems)
-S&W Model 25: Again, old production, and would need to find one in .45 Auto rather than .45 Colt
-S&W Governor: Frankly, not interested due to size, shape, and current QC of S&W
-Ruger Redhawk .45 Colt/Auto: I really, really like the idea of this, but IIRC these have always had reliability issues. I'm not even sure Ruger makes them anymore.

I see a few NOS Model 22's and 25's on Gunbroker, however they only take checks/money orders and in this day and age I do not feel comfortable mailing that amount of money in the postal system.

Are there any choices I'm not aware of or forgot about? Is it crazy for me to consider getting a 6-shot .45 Auto revolver for carry when I have capable, higher capacity autoloaders in the same caliber? Should I just stick with .357/.38 for my revolver cartridge and get another GP100 7-shot like I was planning?

I feel that in many self defense situations, the revolver may offer some reliability advantages concerning poor grip, something coming in contact with the slide while cycling, shooting within a vehicle (as DB notes, many auto malfunctions happen inside vehicles while shooting in "space"), etc. Not to mention going to ban states.

Rimless cartridges which depend on easily bent sheet metal clips are not the best choice for defense. While revolvers don’t depend on grip to function, they do depend on grip for you to put enough leverage on the trigger will keep in the gun straight to actually hit anything. If this will be a carry gun, even a niche application, carry gun forget about 45 and buy the GP 100 in .38/.357.

The other issue is because there is some give or springi-ness to the sheet metal clips when the firing pin strikes the rimless rounds 45 ACP revolvers need to have slightly heavier trigger polls to ensure reliable ignition.

If you want a cool Range Gun to explore revolvers, and you happen to have a lot of 45 ACP ammo or load for 45 for your other guns a .45 revolver can be fun.

Don’t overthink it.

[Joe in PNG]

If for funsies, a SAA with a .45acp cylinder might be an option.

Moonclips are a pain, tho. I eventually just wento to single loading my 1917, and poked the empties out with a brass rod. Then I sold it.

[03RN]

I was kinda anti moon clips for a while. Then I started to shoot with them and love them. Buy enough and you load up before the range and unload when you get home. It's easier then picking up empties.

[camel]

I believe someone on here had a thread on the gp100 in 45 colt/45acp. i don’t have time to search but I was underwhelmed with the one I had experience with.

[okie john]

What are the downsides of a rimless cartridge such as .45 Auto in a revolver? Other than needing moonclips or AR brass?

If you shoot factory ammo or the equivalent on the range or in competition, then the 625 is an excellent choice. It's even better if that ammo is free or incredibly cheap for some reason.

For carry, full moon clips are a fast reload IF you empty the gun, but they make tactical reloads difficult. Half- and third-moon clips are a way around this. Sort of. 45 Auto Rim brass permits the same manual of arms—subject to the same limitations—as other DA revolvers, but factory carry ammo choices aside from https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=73 are pretty slim.

Some loads, especially heavier ones, require a roll crimp for best power and accuracy in all revolvers. Rimless cartridges headspace on the case mouth, so no roll crimp for you. Moon clips address this, subject to the issues described above. So does 45 Auto Rim brass, but you'll need a die specifically meant to roll crimp it. Most 45 ACP seating dies will give a roll crimp if you screw them way down into the press, but this crushes the driving band of lead bullets and accuracy goes out the window. It doesn't do jacketed bullets any favors, either.

I solved this by having a buddy with a plasma cutter take the bottom 3/8" off of a spare 45 Colt seating die. Groups instantly got way better. I got best accuracy from 250-grain cast bullets in relatively heavy (roughly 45 ACP +P) loads using 45 Auto Rim brass and a roll crimp. But after all of that, I came to realize that mild loads in either the 44 Magnum and 45 Colt were better choices, as they easily match max loads in the 45 Auto Rim with a lot less fuss at the loading bench.

Finally, a 625 will kick harder than a Model 29 or 629 with the same ballistics because it's lighter. Even with a full lug, my 4” M-625 Model of 1988 (or 1989, I can’t remember) weighed 40.5 ounces. My 4” Model 29-2 weighs 43.8 ounces. 3.3 ounces doesn’t sound like much, but it’s all up front in the exact spot to make the most difference.

The 45 ACP revolver is a great idea if you’re a young nation entering a foreign war and you have plenty of 45 ACP ammo but not enough pistols.

For me, there were more practical answers.


Okie John

[Malamute]

My impressions are similar to many already posted, Ive had 45 auto revolvers in the past and ended up keeping the 4" 29 when it came down to it. At this point, I have a fair amount of 45 auto ammo, and little desire to shoot it in auto pistols, so am interested again.

The old school half moon clip were much better quality than the commercial ones that came out in the 80s, (some commercial half moons were dead soft and absolute garbage) and the earlier full moons, but they may be better now. In any event, the actual S&W factory and govt issue half moons were pretty tough, well tempered spring steel, and also MUCH easier to load and unload than full moon clips.

Im mostly not that interested in moon clips for revolvers so long as I have decent speed loaders and strips, but the half moons arent bad to work with. I often just shot without the clips and pulled the empties out with a fingernail when general shooting.

My vote for the choice 45 auto revolver is the old 1955 Target. A shorter barrel would be nice for carry, but I may not need to hide one with what Id do with one. Of course theres always shoulder holsters.....

And auto rim brass simplifies it all to a degree, and would be fine for carry and field use, but theres that existing rimless ammo thats sort of the point in the first place.

[jtcarm]

The last new Smith I bought was a 625 PC in 2019.

I guess I’m lucky, no issues. I could live without the hole and the MIM.

Too big for carry, but a great range & field gun.

BTW I also have a 25-2, and while I love it, the 625 chamber throats and rifling are much better.

[Borderland]

There really is no good reason for a 45 APC revolver. S&W discontinued the 625 for a reason. They just didn't sell that well. I'm thinking the N frame may be going that direction also. I only see one N frame on their website. Quality isn't that great anyway with their current product.

The only reason I have a 625 is I like the 45 ACP cartridge a lot and I like revolvers. I have more revolvers than pistols. That's just a natural curiosity if you like revolves. The 45 APC really isn't a good revolver cartridge but it's so popular there have been many revolvers produced since WW1.

I had my 625 at the range last week. Not my favorite revolver, that's probably my 28-2, but it still puts a smile on my face.

[JPedersen]

I have a Ruger Blackhawk in 45LC with a 45ACP cylinder, and a round butt Redhawk 4.2” model 5050 that runs both LC and ACP as well. I have found the ACP to be less accurate than the LC and the cylinder needs intestinal cleaning afterwards or else it will not eat the 45LC easily the next time at the range. I have also run some .45 super through both and find that I like the heavy 45LC Ruger Only loads more than the super.

The Redhawk has been reliable and accurate. My hunting buddy has a Redhawk that Hamilton Bowen worked over for him in 45 LC that has the cylinder cut for moonclips as well (if I remember correctly). He LOVES that revolver. I think the 45 ACP is cool through a revolver - but have moved to the LC for the versatility and ease of use.

The LGS here has a S&W model 22 here and it has sat for a while … I have almost bought it a few times … but end up just keeping the Redhawk.

That being said … I know a local guy who had his Super Redhawk Alaskan cut for moonclips and runs 45 ACP in it. Just a thought.


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[Elwin]

I don’t own one but can say for what it’s worth that my revolver-collecting father’s pre-lock 625 is hands down my favorite gun of his to shoot, and it will not be leaving the family. Doesn’t hurt that as a 1911 fan I’m already wed to .45 ACP.

Friends of mine we’ve taken shooting also universally acclaim it as their favorite, and it’s not exactly being compared to lesser guns. Something about that gun just makes it both very easy and incredibly fun to shoot.

[Borderland]

I don’t own one but can say for what it’s worth that my revolver-collecting father’s pre-lock 625 is hands down my favorite gun of his to shoot, and it will not be leaving the family. Doesn’t hurt that as a 1911 fan I’m already wed to .45 ACP.

Friends of mine we’ve taken shooting also universally acclaim it as their favorite, and it’s not exactly being compared to lesser guns. Something about that gun just makes it both very easy and incredibly fun to shoot.

Yeah, it's easy to shoot well, like a 1911. ;)

[Elwin]

Yeah, it's easy to shoot well, like a 1911. ;)

I know things that make me look better than I am when I see them.

[Malamute]

Yeah, it's easy to shoot well, like a 1911. ;)


I have not been blessed with the "1911 is easy to shoot" gene. At least shoot well, like as well as revolvers. This is why I have 45 auto ammo and little desire to shoot it in a 1911.

[SwampDweller]

Thanks for the replies and advice, all. I feel like a 625 would be the optimal choice, preferably pre lock but I guess I could live with it. Problem is finding one. I don’t have access to the marketplace on here but any idea but any advice for if I tried to find one?

The SRH Alaskan cut to take moonclips is an interesting idea, though it’s quite a large frame gun and the barrel is a little shorter than I’d prefer.

Or maybe I’ll do the sensible thing and stick to .357/.38 and get one of those Wiley Clapp II 3” 7 shot stainless GP100s while they’re still available. While I’ve seen some QC issues with Ruger revolvers lately, by and large the QC still seems to be solid, at least compared to new production Smiths.

[camel]

Thanks for the replies and advice, all. I feel like a 625 would be the optimal choice, preferably pre lock but I guess I could live with it. Problem is finding one. I don’t have access to the marketplace on here but any idea but any advice for if I tried to find one?

The SRH Alaskan cut to take moonclips is an interesting idea, though it’s quite a large frame gun and the barrel is a little shorter than I’d prefer.

Or maybe I’ll do the sensible thing and stick to .357/.38 and get one of those Wiley Clapp II 3” 7 shot stainless GP100s while they’re still available. While I’ve seen some QC issues with Ruger revolvers lately, by and large the QC still seems to be solid, at least compared to new production Smiths.

I had rim distance problems on the 7 shot gp100 I forget the number. But with ruger I would stick to 6. In any caliber that is appropriate. .38/357 is really a great caliber to work with. If you want to step up. DA revolvers are hard to come by that do not require work. In My Opinion.

[SwampDweller]

I had rim distance problems on the 7 shot gp100 I forget the number.

How long ago was it produced? I know the earlier 7 shot models had distance problems, but it’s my understanding that was corrected and confirmed by measurements that they changed it. I don’t remember the threads but they were on this site.

[camel]

How long ago was it produced? I know the earlier 7 shot models had distance problems, but it’s my understanding that was corrected and confirmed by measurements that they changed it. I don’t remember the threads but they were on this site.

I would be intrigued in a 7 shot. But I went back to a match champion. It works and I can shoot heavy 357 if I need it.I think about wishing I had the half moon clips for reloads. But I’m slow on a reload on a revolver no matter what and half moon clips means I’m fumble fuck. So honestly a gp100 or smith or Taurus as long as it works and hits to sights is preferable for me. B

[revchuck38]

I've got a 22-4. It's the lightest steel-frame .45 ACP revolver out there, which makes it a good carry gun. I haven't had any problems with factory ammo (230-grain HST +P and 230-grain AE ball) but it's a kinetic bullet-puller with the coated 230-grain RNL handloads I run in my autos. I don't remember having had problems with uncoated 230-grain RNLs in my 1917; I guess the coating is just too slick. My solution was to get a Redding profile crimp die and use 225-grain coated RNFPs, crimping the case mouth into the crimp groove.

If it's just going to be a range gun, I'd go with a later 25-2 (produced after S&W fixed the chamber mouth issue) or an early 625.

IME, the issue with bent moon clips is pretty much confined to USPSA shooters. They go through a lot of moon clips in a stage and the moon clips sometimes get stepped on. I haven't had an issue with them, and the clips I have loaded for carry get checked for flatness before they're loaded. It also helps that I don't use the absolute cheapest clips I could find at a gun show.

[Joe45]

I didn't realize the 625 was discontinued! I always wanted one. Now the expensive search begins I guess.....

[JPedersen]

How long ago was it produced? I know the earlier 7 shot models had distance problems, but it’s my understanding that was corrected and confirmed by measurements that they changed it. I don’t remember the threads but they were on this site.

I can confirm / agree with SwampDweller here. I went through some early and then later production 7 shot Rugers… the newest / current ones have been ironed out… as much as any thing in the firearms world can be “fixed” … lol! I think Ruger still does a standout job with QC.


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[Jim Watson]

I didn't realize the 625 was discontinued! I always wanted one. Now the expensive search begins I guess.....

I didn't either.
I guess it makes business sense, USPSA obsoleted it by allowing the small bore 8-shooters, I haven't seen one at IDPA in a long time (not even my old sawn off M25). Apparently ICORE and the occasional enthusiast aren't enough to support it.

[JAH 3rd]

Thanks for the replies and advice, all. I feel like a 625 would be the optimal choice, preferably pre lock but I guess I could live with it. Problem is finding one. I don’t have access to the marketplace on here but any idea but any advice for if I tried to find one?

The SRH Alaskan cut to take moonclips is an interesting idea, though it’s quite a large frame gun and the barrel is a little shorter than I’d prefer.

Or maybe I’ll do the sensible thing and stick to .357/.38 and get one of those Wiley Clapp II 3” 7 shot stainless GP100s while they’re still available. While I’ve seen some QC issues with Ruger revolvers lately, by and large the QC still seems to be solid, at least compared to new production Smiths.

Passing on this link with GP100 with 2.5" and 3" barrels in .357. The 2.5 is actually much cheaper here than GAG, same revolver.

https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/category.cfm/sportsman/ruger-gp100-double-action-revolver

[SwampDweller]

Passing on this link with GP100 with 2.5" and 3" barrels in .357. The 2.5 is actually much cheaper here than GAG, same revolver.

https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/category.cfm/sportsman/ruger-gp100-double-action-revolver

I found it here for a bit less: https://store.cornerstonearms.com/products/handguns-ruger-1789-736676017898-2530

I wonder how new of production this WCII model is? Is it before or after they changed the dimensions? A 3” 7 shot could be an ideal carry revolver.

[JAH 3rd]

Used the online Ruger serial number lookup. Shipped in 2023. Now hit the "buy" button!

https://ruger.com/dataProcess/serialHistory/

Put in the serial number from the picture on their website and it shows revolver info, including ship year.

[SwampDweller]

Used the online Ruger serial number lookup. Shipped in 2023. Now hit the "buy" button!

https://ruger.com/dataProcess/serialHistory/

Put in the serial number from the picture on their website and it shows revolver info, including ship year.

Now it’s decision time. Someone offered me a S&W 64-3 for $400. Some wear but nothing egregious. I know it’s a .38 not .357 but I’ve always wanted one of the classic Smith K-Frames.

[JAH 3rd]

What length barrel on that 64?

[okie john]

Now it’s decision time. Someone offered me a S&W 64-3 for $400. Some wear but nothing egregious. I know it’s a .38 not .357 but I’ve always wanted one of the classic Smith K-Frames.

I'd be on that like white on rice.


Okie John

[Wayne Dobbs]

I'm on a bit of a revolver kick right now. I have a lot of .45 Auto ammo and reloading components, and I really like the idea of a double action, defense-oriented .45 Auto revolver. Unfortunately there are very few choices and it looks like I'm going to have to buy one second hand, though I really would prefer NOS/Unfired condition. It looks like my choices are:

-S&W Model 22 (either original production or one of the newer repros that are also no longer in production AFAIK)
-S&W 625 (Also out of production, and I'm iffy on the QC on the 625's made most recently given S&W's current QC problems)
-S&W Model 25: Again, old production, and would need to find one in .45 Auto rather than .45 Colt
-S&W Governor: Frankly, not interested due to size, shape, and current QC of S&W
-Ruger Redhawk .45 Colt/Auto: I really, really like the idea of this, but IIRC these have always had reliability issues. I'm not even sure Ruger makes them anymore.

I see a few NOS Model 22's and 25's on Gunbroker, however they only take checks/money orders and in this day and age I do not feel comfortable mailing that amount of money in the postal system.

Are there any choices I'm not aware of or forgot about? Is it crazy for me to consider getting a 6-shot .45 Auto revolver for carry when I have capable, higher capacity autoloaders in the same caliber? Should I just stick with .357/.38 for my revolver cartridge and get another GP100 7-shot like I was planning?

I feel that in many self defense situations, the revolver may offer some reliability advantages concerning poor grip, something coming in contact with the slide while cycling, shooting within a vehicle (as DB notes, many auto malfunctions happen inside vehicles while shooting in "space"), etc. Not to mention going to ban states.

Of those, the best choice is to find a 625 in one of its forms. I have a 625 Mountain Gun (pre-lock) 4" in .45 ACP and it's awesome. If you can find a Model of 1989 5" .45 ACP it will blow your mind accuracy wise. The old 25-2's while full of cachet, had monstrously oversized cylinder throats (as did the 25-5's with pinned barrels) and accuracy was disappointing plus a 6.5" N-frame isn't a carry gun for most locales. Oh, my 625 MG has taken over 30 whitetails at one shot per customer and it makes me smile when we go out to do our "work" together.

[SwampDweller]

What length barrel on that 64?

4 inch

[SwampDweller]

Of those, the best choice is to find a 625 in one of its forms. I have a 625 Mountain Gun (pre-lock) 4" in .45 ACP and it's awesome. If you can find a Model of 1989 5" .45 ACP it will blow your mind accuracy wise. The old 25-2's while full of cachet, had monstrously oversized cylinder throats (as did the 25-5's with pinned barrels) and accuracy was disappointing plus a 6.5" N-frame isn't a carry gun for most locales. Oh, my 625 MG has taken over 30 whitetails at one shot per customer and it makes me smile when we go out to do our "work" together.

I would love to find a minty 625 pre lock of any variant. Unfortunately even some “seasoned” looking ones on GB are pretty outrageous. But man your testimony makes me want one more.

[revchuck38]

Now it’s decision time. Someone offered me a S&W 64-3 for $400. Some wear but nothing egregious. I know it’s a .38 not .357 but I’ve always wanted one of the classic Smith K-Frames.


I'd be on that like white on rice.


Okie John

+1!

[okie john]

I would love to find a minty 625 pre lock of any variant. Unfortunately even some “seasoned” looking ones on GB are pretty outrageous. But man your testimony makes me want one more.

I snarked pretty hard on them, but there’s a lot to like about a 625.


Okie John

[JRB]

My Father scored a 625 5in Model of 1989 'before they were cool' and it is cheat-code accurate and confidence inspiring. It's close to the top of a very short list of his guns that I covet.




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I see a few NOS Model 22's and 25's on Gunbroker, however they only take checks/money orders and in this day and age I do not feel comfortable mailing that amount of money in the postal system.
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Having been down the road of virtually every electronic payment service (PayPal, Venmo, Zelle, Cashapp, etc)

I feel much more confident in a USPS money order mailed via USPS flat rate envelope than any electronic payment at this point. USPS money orders are protected by mail fraud laws and enforced by Postal Inspectors.
Whereas PayPal Goods & Services is a paper-thin and easily circumvented layer of buyer/seller protection, and all other methods are 'send and pray' with zero recourse if the item never shows up or shows up not as represented.

[LtDave]

I’m with 03RN. The best choice if you want .45 ACP for carry is a 625 Mountain Gun, pre lock. You’ll have to hunt for one. I think I’d rather have it in .45 Colt if I could only have one.

[LtDave]

My Father scored a 625 5in Model of 1989 'before they were cool' and it is cheat-code accurate and confidence inspiring. It's close to the top of a very short list of his guns that I covet.




Having been down the road of virtually every electronic payment service (PayPal, Venmo, Zelle, Cashapp, etc)

I feel much more confident in a USPS money order mailed via USPS flat rate envelope than any electronic payment at this point. USPS money orders are protected by mail fraud laws and enforced by Postal Inspectors.
Whereas PayPal Goods & Services is a paper-thin and easily circumvented layer of buyer/seller protection, and all other methods are 'send and pray' with zero recourse if the item never shows up or shows up not as represented.

I’ve not had any issues mailing personal checks, cashiers checks or money orders via USPS. Almost always via first class mail. The flat rate envelope will give you tracking, but I haven’t felt the need.

[SwampDweller]

The 625 and/or GP100 are gonna have to wait for a bit, I've decided to get the Model 64-3 if the seller hasn't changed their mind. Hopefully a good deal on a 625 of some sort will show itself one day.

[jtcarm]

Gun writer Mike Venturino claimed the 45 ACP as his favorite revolver cartridge. I'm not too far from there as I believe a 45 ACP revolver loaded with Moonclips provides the fastest reload in the revolver world. Even with JHPs the rounded shoulders just drop into those big chambers like they're going home.

Sadly none of the offerings that make a good carry gun are widely available anymore. Smith has ceased production on every decent one they've made. If you are serious about actually carrying on your person grab your wallet and look for a used/second hand 325 Night Guard. Another possibility is the 325 PD, although I personally don't like the Titanium cylinder. On the heavier side there is the pre-lock 625 3". I don't believe they had the QC problems that S&W is known for today.

I'm having a fun 45 ACP revolver built by a gunsmith friend, based on the 1937 Brazilian S&W. He has cut the original 5.5" barrel down to 3.5", added a ramp and visible front sight. The sample gun was someone's attempt to build a target gun so the top strap was cut for a S&W adjustable rear sight. My guy has made a custom fixed rear sight that fills the milled out top strap. It's getting a finish added as we speak. I'll get some pictures posted, along with a range report when it's done. Not sure if my busted up self can carry that weight anymore but we shall see. (smile)

Dave

I’m pretty much there with you as well, but only because .45 AR exists.

Contrary to what has been claimed about 625s, my PC gun will shoot .45 autos without the moons just fine. It has a tiny bit more headspace than my 25-2, but still pops ‘em. Ditto for Gramps’ 1917 Army.

Actually the Ti cylinder is what I liked about the 325 PD. It’s the alloy frame I hated.

Before USPSA allowed 8-shot revos and Ti cylinders were still available, shooters would buy the 325 PD cylinders and put them in their 625 JMs. They turn easier and crash the cylinder stop with a lot less force.

Now if only someone would make 10mmR brass for my GP100.

[Lester Polfus]

USPS money orders are protected by mail fraud laws and enforced by Postal Inspectors.


Have you ever tried to get a Postal Inspector to actually do something? Professionally, I didn't have much luck when I hooked up a guy with literally thousands of pieces of stolen mail. I forget how many staff hours we put into cataloging it, but it was ridiculous.

Personally, I'm still waiting for them to make good on the insurance on my blackface Fender Deluxe Reverb that must have "fallen off the post office truck" in Hamden CT in 1997.

[JRB]

Have you ever tried to get a Postal Inspector to actually do something? Professionally, I didn't have much luck when I hooked up a guy with literally thousands of pieces of stolen mail. I forget how many staff hours we put into cataloging it, but it was ridiculous.

Personally, I'm still waiting for them to make good on the insurance on my blackface Fender Deluxe Reverb that must have "fallen off the post office truck" in Hamden CT in 1997.

Fair point. I didn't have a lot of luck with a $400 car part loss myself. But at least there was some kind of agency that took the report.

[RevolverJIM]

My one experience with postal inspectors was dismal to say the least; it's been almost two years and he has never answered my calls or responded in any way!!

[SwampDweller]

Looks like I’m getting the S&W 64-3 tomorrow for $375. My dreams of a .45 ACP revolver will have to wait a bit longer, as will my desire for a >6 round .357

[Nick B]

Have you ever tried to get a Postal Inspector to actually do something? Professionally, I didn't have much luck when I hooked up a guy with literally thousands of pieces of stolen mail. I forget how many staff hours we put into cataloging it, but it was ridiculous.

Personally, I'm still waiting for them to make good on the insurance on my blackface Fender Deluxe Reverb that must have "fallen off the post office truck" in Hamden CT in 1997.
LOL. Postal Inspectors are totally useless for anything. FEMA is probably less inept than them . I spent 33 years with the P.O. .

[JAH 3rd]

Looks like I’m getting the S&W 64-3 tomorrow for $375. My dreams of a .45 ACP revolver will have to wait a bit longer, as will my desire for a >6 round .357

If you decide this revolver isn't for you, you definitely won't having any trouble selling it.

[Mike Pipes]

Dam it boys, ya'll got me talkin to clark custom guns about an acp cylinder or cutting my colt cylinder on my mountain gun.

[SwampDweller]

If you decide this revolver isn't for you, you definitely won't having any trouble selling it.

I’m bringing it home shortly. Ended up getting it for $375 private sale. Had the gunsmith give it a once over and the internals are all solid. I’ll post it when I get it home but I wonder if it should have its own thread as I have some questions about it and could use advice on getting into .38 K frames.

[Duelist]

I’m bringing it home shortly. Ended up getting it for $375 private sale. Had the gunsmith give it a once over and the internals are all solid. I’ll post it when I get it home but I wonder if it should have its own thread as I have some questions about it and could use advice on getting into .38 K frames.

There already is one suitable: https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?28203-OK-I-m-a-K-Frame-Addict-So-Sue-Me

[SwampDweller]

There already is one suitable: https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?28203-OK-I-m-a-K-Frame-Addict-So-Sue-Me

Thanks I will post there shortly

[JPedersen]

Just as a point of reference - I know that the OP has moved on / is working with the new .38/.357 revolver he got - but this is at my local LGS. Been there for 3
months. Being somewhat ignorant of the S&W eco-system and .45 ACP revolvers … not sure if it is the price or the model that has left it an orphan for so long!

104075
104076

PM me if anyone wants info of shop. Curious to hear the feedback re: this model given this discussion of the form factor / caliber in a revolver.


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[revchuck38]

That looks to be a cut down, refinished 1917. I obviously can't evaluate the condition and quality of work based on the photo, but it's likely the owner is thinking "It's an old S&W, therefore worth big bucks" when it's really worth 1/3-1/2 of what he's asking, and that's if the work was well done. It'll be in that case for a long time unless a buyer looks at it and thinks, "It's an old S&W, therefore worth big bucks".

There's a possibility that it's a 1950 Army, in which case it might be worth more than I think, but a collector would want it unmolested.

[SwampDweller]

Just as a point of reference - I know that the OP has moved on / is working with the new .38/.357 revolver he got - but this is at my local LGS. Been there for 3
months. Being somewhat ignorant of the S&W eco-system and .45 ACP revolvers … not sure if it is the price or the model that has left it an orphan for so long!

104075
104076

PM me if anyone wants info of shop. Curious to hear the feedback re: this model given this discussion of the form factor / caliber in a revolver.


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I think that’s a bit much for what looks like an altered M1917 or something.

I’ve been looking on Guns International and see many Model 25-2 N Frames available that are in excellent to like-new condition. Anyone have any insight on the 25-2’s in .45 ACP?

[okie john]

Just as a point of reference - I know that the OP has moved on / is working with the new .38/.357 revolver he got - but this is at my local LGS. Been there for 3
months. Being somewhat ignorant of the S&W eco-system and .45 ACP revolvers … not sure if it is the price or the model that has left it an orphan for so long!

104075
104076


I have a few questions.

1. What's the finish? It looks like nickel plate. If so, then are the hammer and trigger still case-hardened or have they also been plated?

2. Where is the lettering of the barrel? It should almost always centered except on some 8 3/8" guns where it was closer to the frame. If it's closer to the muzzle than the frame, then the barrel has almost certainly been cut.

3. What's up with the front sight? It looks like a normal half-moon sight on a 4" barrel, which is odd. Usually people would cut off the front of the barrel, then replaced the front sight with some hillbilly monstrosity. But this one looks like the original sight has either been removed and replaced unmolested, which takes a fair amount of expertise, or it came that way from the factory. If it's factory, then sky's the limit on value.


Okie John

[JPedersen]

I have a few questions.

1. What's the finish? It looks like nickel plate. If so, then are the hammer and trigger still case-hardened or have they also been plated?

2. Where is the lettering of the barrel? It should almost always centered except on some 8 3/8" guns where it was closer to the frame. If it's closer to the muzzle than the frame, then the barrel has almost certainly been cut.

3. What's up with the front sight? It looks like a normal half-moon sight on a 4" barrel, which is odd. Usually people would cut off the front of the barrel, then replaced the front sight with some hillbilly monstrosity. But this one looks like the original sight has either been removed and replaced unmolested, which takes a fair amount of expertise, or it came that way from the factory. If it's factory, then sky's the limit on value.


Okie John

I will pop back in the shop sometime and ask. Have not even asked to see it outside the case … I am partial to 45LC.

I do know it is nickel plated.

I cannot see any lettering on the barrel … I will ask to see it next time I am in it.

The front sight is what stood out to me as well. It reminded me of the Thunder Ranch revolvers that came out a bit ago. It does look factory / well done.

If the group thinks it warrants further inspection I will look at it !

JP


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[Stephanie B]

For an altered M1917, that’s mighty pricey.

[SwampDweller]

Question:
Does anyone have any experience with or knowledge of how reliable Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskans in .454 are that have been cut to accept .45 ACP moonclips by TK Customs?

They offer the service of machining the cylinder to take .45 ACP here: https://tkcustom.com/pages/machining-ruger

I imagine a Super Redhawk Alaskan shooting .45 ACP would never wear out, even with higher pressure loadings. Downside is, it's only a 2.5" barrel, though, so I'm not sure how viable modern .45 ACP expanding loads would be out of that. Also I do remember BehindBlueI's mentioning that .45 ACP on moonclips takes more force from the hammer to reliably detonate the primer compared to conventional rimmed revolver cartridges.

Even with the Ruger Compact Grips it would be a large beast, but if it's reliable, it would fill my burning desire for a .45 ACP double action revolver. Only thing else that sucks is that it can't shoot .45 ACP right out of the box. Other options are the myriad of vintage S&W Model 25-2's on GunsInternational (though I wonder how viable that is to keep running if it ever needs any work or parts), a 625 of some sort, or finding a 2010's production Model 22 with the infernal lock.

[JAH 3rd]

I've got a Ruger single action with the 45LC and .45acp cylinders. It's a fun gun that I enjoy shooting. Got the dual caliber model for flexibility with ammo related to availability. I don't reload or use moon clips so I can't address those topics.

Have you considered a 44 magnum or 44 special? Since you reload, I imagine you could come up with a sweet load or two that is super accurate. I guess my hang up is moon clips. Like I said I've never used them, I just would prefer a revolver that uses a speedloader. Just my bias showing, that's all. I had speedloaders on my duty belt way back in the day when drop pouches were SOP. Don't know the model number, but the two I had were Safariland. Twist the knob to lock the ammo in. When inserting the rounds into the cylinder, the center pin of the cylinder would automatically release the rounds. I liked that because you didn't have to think to twist the knob to release the ammo.

PS: I was a flashlight snob in my LE days. Pretty much D-cells ruled the day. Most guys used whatever was issued to them. I eventually bought a Streamlight with car charger. Man, that lit up the night. A good flashlight is just as essential as one's sidearm. When I look at On Patrol Live I am so thankful that those who serve today have such effective flashlights.

[SwampDweller]

I've got a Ruger single action with the 45LC and .45acp cylinders. It's a fun gun that I enjoy shooting. Got the dual caliber model for flexibility with ammo related to availability. I don't reload or use moon clips so I can't address those topics.

Have you considered a 44 magnum or 44 special? Since you reload, I imagine you could come up with a sweet load or two that is super accurate. I guess my hang up is moon clips. Like I said I've never used them, I just would prefer a revolver that uses a speedloader. Just my bias showing, that's all. I had speedloaders on my duty belt way back in the day when drop pouches were SOP. Don't know the model number, but the two I had were Safariland. Twist the knob to lock the ammo in. When inserting the rounds into the cylinder, the center pin of the cylinder would automatically release the rounds. I liked that because you didn't have to think to twist the knob to release the ammo.

I like the idea of a .44 mag/spcl double action, but it seems like CCW defensive loadings and projectiles that perform as well as modern duty pistol loads are scarce to non existent. And I do like having some factory ammo availability which is part of what draws me to .45 Auto.

[JAH 3rd]

Yes, the 45 auto bullet selection is greatly improved from decades ago. It does flexibility in one's choices. Let us know what you end up deciding on.

[MolonLabe416]

In 44 Specail both Underwood and Buffalo Bore make really good self defense loads.

[03RN]

Question:
Does anyone have any experience with or knowledge of how reliable Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskans in .454 are that have been cut to accept .45 ACP moonclips by TK Customs?

They offer the service of machining the cylinder to take .45 ACP here: https://tkcustom.com/pages/machining-ruger

I imagine a Super Redhawk Alaskan shooting .45 ACP would never wear out, even with higher pressure loadings. Downside is, it's only a 2.5" barrel, though, so I'm not sure how viable modern .45 ACP expanding loads would be out of that. Also I do remember BehindBlueI's mentioning that .45 ACP on moonclips takes more force from the hammer to reliably detonate the primer compared to conventional rimmed revolver cartridges.

Even with the Ruger Compact Grips it would be a large beast, but if it's reliable, it would fill my burning desire for a .45 ACP double action revolver. Only thing else that sucks is that it can't shoot .45 ACP right out of the box. Other options are the myriad of vintage S&W Model 25-2's on GunsInternational (though I wonder how viable that is to keep running if it ever needs any work or parts), a 625 of some sort, or finding a 2010's production Model 22 with the infernal lock.

Myself and one YouTuber has found .45acp rounds extremely slow in .45 colt guns. I think it has to do with the slightly larger chamber. Iirc I'm getting 200fps less with .45acp in my 4" 625 than in my 5" 1911.

With a 2.5" barrel I'd guess it would be another 100fps slower.

[SwampDweller]

Myself and one YouTuber has found .45acp rounds extremely slow in .45 colt guns. I think it has to do with the slightly larger chamber. Iirc I'm getting 200fps less with .45acp in my 4" 625 than in my 5" 1911.

With a 2.5" barrel I'd guess it would be another 100fps slower.

So most likely not a reliable expander out of a 2.5” Alaskan. Bummer.

[03RN]

So most likely not a reliable expander out of a 2.5” Alaskan. Bummer.

You could always just use .45 colt. The moon clips work ok. Not as rugged at the . ACP one
104716

[SwampDweller]

You could always just use .45 colt. The moon clips work ok. Not as rugged at the . ACP one
104716

Beautiful gun, and a route I’m still considering. Question is, which .45 Colt? I’d rather one in new/like new condition and I don’t trust current production S&W’s, otherwise I’d order the reproduction Model 25.

[SwampDweller]

Well the .45 cal revolver will have to wait a bit longer yet again, as I just ordered a Ruger GP100 7-shot 4" stainless (Model 1771). I've been tracking them for over a month now and the amount of online stores with them in stock keeps going down one by one on gun.deals while the price keeps going up with each subsequent in-stock dealer site. Finally bit the bullet and ordered from Midway for $899, and if I had been smarter I would've ordered it a while ago for $800. I guess it's the idiot tax.

I'm still on the hunt for the right .45 Auto (or possibly .45 Colt) revolver, though.