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0ddl0t
03-20-2023, 06:11 PM
Giovanni “Gio” Tilotta, 41, owner of Honey Badger Firearms in Kearny Mesa, was found guilty during a jury trial last year of three felonies, in what the U.S. Attorney’s Office said was believed to be the first federal criminal conviction of a civilian retail gun store owner in more than two decades in the Southern District of California...

...convicted for assisting Garmo, the former captain of the sheriff’s Rancho San Diego station, in his illegal sales of “off-roster” handguns to private citizens, despite the guns only being intended for law enforcement.

...He also accepted backdated firearms transfer records for customers and would answer questions on those forms on the customer’s behalf.

:D

JRB
03-20-2023, 07:58 PM
A frustrating dilemma. On the one hand, I want to point and laugh about what a dumbass this guy is for getting caught doing obviously illegal stuff.
On the other hand, I'm kind of pissed off because the CA handgun roster is unconstitutional trash and everyone who penned and supported the law(s) that created it are more worthy, IMHO, of a felony conviction.

The extra tryhard name, along with being willing to monkey with dates and who knows what else on transfers and paperwork nudges me more toward the former. But I really can't support or applaud his conviction or being considered a criminal for anything regarding the latter.

Kanye Wyoming
03-20-2023, 08:08 PM
the CA handgun roster is unconstitutional trash
A federal district court judge just gave you an AMEN.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/2023/03/20/california-gun-control-supreme-court/bb503134-c773-11ed-9cc5-a58a4f6d84cd_story.html


LOS ANGELES — A federal judge on Monday blocked key provisions of a California law that drastically restricts the sale of new handguns in the state, saying parts of the legislation violate the Second Amendment.

A lawsuit challenging the law was filed last year by the California Rifle & Pistol Association and other gun rights supporters following a landmark 2022 decision from the U.S. Supreme Court that set new standards for evaluating firearm restrictions. The ruling left many laws aimed at regulating and limiting the sale and use of guns — in California and nationwide — at risk of being struck down.

U.S. District Court Judge Cormac Carney, sitting in Santa Ana, wrote Monday that California’s requirements for new handguns are unconstitutional and cannot be enforced. Because of these restrictions, Carney wrote, no new models of semiautomatic handguns have been approved for sale since 2013 and Californians are forced to buy older and potentially less safe models.

He issued a preliminary injunction to take effect in two weeks, meaning the state would have to stop enforcing the law. The delay gives the state Department of Justice time to appeal.

In California, state law requires new handguns to have three components: A chamber load indicator, which shows whether the gun is loaded; a magazine disconnect mechanism that will stop the gun from firing if the magazine is not properly inserted; and microstamping capability so law enforcement can more easily link spent shell casings to the guns they were fired from.

“No handgun available in the world has all three of these features,” the judge wrote. “These regulations are having a devastating impact on Californians’ ability to acquire and use new, state-of-the-art handguns.”

Older handguns have been grandfathered into what’s known as the “roster,” or a list of guns that pass a safety test under state law known as the Unsafe Handgun Act.

“Californians have the constitutional right to acquire and use state-of-the-art handguns to protect themselves,” he wrote. “They should not be forced to settle for decade-old models of handguns to ensure that they remain safe inside or outside the home.”

Kanye Wyoming
03-20-2023, 08:33 PM
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JRB
03-20-2023, 08:34 PM
A federal district court judge just gave you an AMEN.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/2023/03/20/california-gun-control-supreme-court/bb503134-c773-11ed-9cc5-a58a4f6d84cd_story.html

Begs the question as to whether or not guys like Mr.Tryhard above will be pardoned.

DMF13
03-20-2023, 10:43 PM
Begs the question as to whether or not guys like Mr.Tryhard above will be pardoned.Well anyone could get pardoned, but that's unlikely. Whether or not the "roster" is valid doesn't change the fact the defendant falsified the forms.

But hey, he can wait the five years after the end of his sentence, apply for a pardon, and see what happens.

JRB
03-21-2023, 06:25 PM
Well anyone could get pardoned, but that's unlikely. Whether or not the "roster" is valid doesn't change the fact the defendant falsified the forms.

But hey, he can wait the five years after the end of his sentence, apply for a pardon, and see what happens.

I explained myself poorly. If he's facing felonies for falsifying FFL paperwork then he deserves those specific charges good and hard. As a partner in an 01FFL myself I take that very seriously.

But specifically on the charges and conviction for off-roster sales - any time a law's in the process of getting repealed and someone's getting hard time for it, that just rubs me as an innately terrible injustice.

HCM
03-21-2023, 08:30 PM
I explained myself poorly. If he's facing felonies for falsifying FFL paperwork then he deserves those specific charges good and hard. As a partner in an 01FFL myself I take that very seriously.

But specifically on the charges and conviction for off-roster sales - any time a law's in the process of getting repealed and someone's getting hard time for it, that just rubs me as an innately terrible injustice.

The roster is a state issue.

He’s facing federal felony charges for falsifying FFL forms.

The roster merely provided the motive / profit.