Review my suppressor alternatives

[Jaywalker]

I've just started my NFA trust, i.e., paid a lawyer to structure it, and might well be shopping for a suppressor this weekend. I'll use it on a 16" AR for casual shooting - no extended 5.56 mag dumps - and possibly in the future an SBR in 300 BLK. It's also possible I'll want to suppress my HK P30, but that's lower priority and possibly an idea I'll abandon. From multiple threads here I've found the SilencerCo Omega variants well considered, and it appears either the 300 or the 36M fit my requirements. I'm leaning towards the 36M for its versatility. I plan to use some version of a three-prong flash hider mount - no muzzle brakes for me. (I don't understand yet all I know about suppressor mounting...)

Is there a reason to consider something else for my first NFA item, assuming performance, maintenance, customer service, and cost are a big part of my requirements?

[HeavyDuty]

Watching with interest - I came up with a different choice for my use case (9mm, 5.56 and .300 BLK SBRs,) I’m just waiting for a silencer event that’s happening in a few weeks to validate my choice before I order.

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What do you mean by performance? Acoustic suppression, visual signature suppression, POI shift repeatability, gas blowback, etc.?

IMO, multiuse cans are very much compromises; if you have a trust, I personally would prefer to just get dedicated cans, unless the suppressor will be used primarily for funsies, which is fine, but your emphasis on performance is what struck me.

Also, cans on handguns are strictly a toy, IMO, the changes in POA/POI and how much more awkward the gun becomes afterwards means that I've thrown my pistol can on an actual handgun like twice, once just to see how it was, and once for my friends to play with, otherwise it lives on my PCC.

If you're really just looking to suppress the two ARs, and still really want to use just one can for both, I would do a hard pass on the Omega 36M, and look at the plethora of short .30 caliber cans (SilencerCo, Dead Air, Rugged, SureFire, YHM, B&T, etc.), assuming that maximum acoustic suppression on the .300 BLK isn't your end goal.

[HeavyDuty]

I purposely didn’t mention the one I was leaning to get, but what the heck - I’m almost certain I’ll get a DA Wolfman.

[okie john]

Also, cans on handguns are strictly a toy, IMO, the changes in POA/POI and how much more awkward the gun becomes afterwards means that I've thrown my pistol can on an actual handgun like twice, once just to see how it was, and once for my friends to play with, otherwise it lives on my PCC.

Holster choice is pretty limited, too.


Okie John

[TGS]

Griffin Plan-A taper mount adapter and taper-mount flash hider with a YHM Resonator K suppressor will be substantially shorter than both of your options, even the short-configuration of the 36M...slightly lighter, and even with the added adapter/FH will be cheaper than both (several hundred cheaper than the 36M).

Just an option to consider. I use that configuration with the Turbo-K (5.56 variant), and AFAIK there's nothing as short and light for anywhere close to the price, while still being full auto SBR rated with great customer service.

[Jaywalker]

What do you mean by performance? Acoustic suppression, visual signature suppression, POI shift repeatability, gas blowback, etc.?

IMO, multiuse cans are very much compromises; if you have a trust, I personally would prefer to just get dedicated cans, unless the suppressor will be used primarily for funsies, which is fine, but your emphasis on performance is what struck me.

Also, cans on handguns are strictly a toy, IMO, the changes in POA/POI and how much more awkward the gun becomes afterwards means that I've thrown my pistol can on an actual handgun like twice, once just to see how it was, and once for my friends to play with, otherwise it lives on my PCC.

If you're really just looking to suppress the two ARs, and still really want to use just one can for both, I would do a hard pass on the Omega 36M, and look at the plethora of short .30 caliber cans (SilencerCo, Dead Air, Rugged, SureFire, YHM, B&T, etc.), assuming that maximum acoustic suppression on the .300 BLK isn't your end goal.

Those are good questions. I want excellent acoustic suppression on what I currently have, i.e., a 16" mid-length 5.56, in order to reduce the effect on my ears, but POI shift repeatability would fall right behind that. I'd like very little gas in the face but I don't want a flow through (?) design if that compromises acoustic suppression. As you suggest, I don't think I need to plan for 9mm suppression on this purchase. I do want to use a three-prong flash suppressor and not a brake.

[Jaywalker]

...YHM Resonator K suppressor will be substantially shorter than both of your options...

Just an option to consider. I use that configuration with the Turbo-K (5.56 variant), and AFAIK there's nothing as short and light for anywhere close to the price, while still being full auto SBR rated with great customer service.

I like Yankee Hill. What kind of acoustic suppression is there from a suppressor that short?

Edit: I've checked some reviews and the short ones try to live just south of 140dB. That seems reasonable. I'll put these on my list.

[gringop]

Those are good questions. I want excellent acoustic suppression on what I currently have, i.e., a 16" mid-length 5.56, in order to reduce the effect on my ears, but POI shift repeatability would fall right behind that. I'd like very little gas in the face but I don't want a flow through (?) design if that compromises acoustic suppression. As you suggest, I don't think I need to plan for 9mm suppression on this purchase. I do want to use a three-prong flash suppressor and not a brake.

Profit from my experience/mistakes. I bought a YHM 223 Turbo (non-K) due to the great price, thinking that I would be able to shoot wonderfully quiet 223 loads. Not expecting James Bond quiet but expecting "no earpro quiet".

What I found is that you there is no 223 bullet that weighs enough to go subsonic and still have any velocity/energy to, A: cycle the action, and B: impart enough energy to the target to take it down. After a few months working up loads with various powders I was able to get a 75 grain bullet to have 991fps at the muzzle that shoots James Bond quiet, sounds like a BB gun.

The trouble is that it drops about 15" at 100 yds, won't cycle the action and has 164 foot pounds of energy, less than a 22 Mag.

I guess my point is that I would have been better off picking up a 30 cal suppressor that could be swapped to a 308, 300BO or other caliber larger than 223. The slight increase in sound over a 223 can would not have been noticeable since the 223 cans only suppress to a certain level.

The previously mentioned RESONATOR or RESONATOR K would work great for 223 and 30 cal and is what I should have bought to begin with.

I love shooting with my Turbo but being 223 only limits the hell out of its versatitlity, vs 30 cal.

Gringop

[Flamingo]

I have a 36M. I like it, but I use it primarily on a 300 BO contender that I shoot very low velocity 110 gr V-max bullets out of. It is my whack coyotes in the yard without disturbing the neighbors gun. It works very well for that.

[CCT125US]

Also, cans on handguns are strictly a toy, IMO, the changes in POA/POI and how much more awkward the gun becomes afterwards

Very much agreed. Just today I put the Octane 9 on my P30 for the first time in about 2 years. Thought it might be fun to shoot milk jugs at 100 yards. With Fiocchi 158 gr, it took about 5 rounds to find my hold point. No more jugs, and likely won't use it for another 2 years. With mild tinnitus, my ears are still ringing after only 15 rounds. So I ended up with an expensive, long awaited range toy that still requires ear pro. CF silencers on pistols are not that silent.

I've found in regards to accuracy, the Octane 9HD and P30 make a hell of an accurate combo. I can cut the x out of a B8 at 25 yards, but if the can breaks loose, it sends rounds off target in multiples of feet. I'm constantly torque checking.

[Wake27]

What do you mean by performance? Acoustic suppression, visual signature suppression, POI shift repeatability, gas blowback, etc.?

IMO, multiuse cans are very much compromises; if you have a trust, I personally would prefer to just get dedicated cans, unless the suppressor will be used primarily for funsies, which is fine, but your emphasis on performance is what struck me.

Also, cans on handguns are strictly a toy, IMO, the changes in POA/POI and how much more awkward the gun becomes afterwards means that I've thrown my pistol can on an actual handgun like twice, once just to see how it was, and once for my friends to play with, otherwise it lives on my PCC.

If you're really just looking to suppress the two ARs, and still really want to use just one can for both, I would do a hard pass on the Omega 36M, and look at the plethora of short .30 caliber cans (SilencerCo, Dead Air, Rugged, SureFire, YHM, B&T, etc.), assuming that maximum acoustic suppression on the .300 BLK isn't your end goal.

I think the trend is heading the other way, but I fully agree.

Jack of all trades has disappointed me in almost every instance I can think of. I get the reason for it since cans are such a PITA to get, but I’m pretty happy sticking to dedicated caliber suppressors for now.


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[JclInAtx]

Pew science has a recent article with comparisons of flow through suppressors tested on a mk18 556 sbr and has discussion about soundlevels at the muzzle vs shooters ear. It may still be of interest even though it's focused on 556. While flow through seems to also mean pricey, it does seem to be effective at reducing sound levels at the ear per their tests.

https://pewscience.com/sound-signature-reviews-free/sss-6-103-research-supplement-taming-the-mk18

[Jaywalker]

I read that the Omega 300 hit a sweet spot when it was introduced in 2015, but since then there are others that match its performance in a smaller package with less back pressure. Is this accurate?

I'm modifying my requirements from a can that will cover 5.56. 300 Blk, and 9mm, down to 5.56 only.

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I read that the Omega 300 hit a sweet spot when it was introduced in 2015, but since then there are others that match its performance in a smaller package with less back pressure. Is this accurate?

I'm modifying my requirements from a can that will cover 5.56. 300 Blk, and 9mm, down to 5.56 only.That sounds about right about the Omega 300. It'll still work just fine, and realistically, my SWAG is that you'll not notice any real difference with the newer cans of the same design goal, even if they meter better, just because the human ear sucks at determining volume in a precise way, plus you'll want to have ear pro on anyway since the 5.56×45mm is still going to be supersonic. The back pressure issue is real, but given that it's a .30 caliber can, it shouldn't be a huge deal, since it'll be overbored anyway.

If you want a dedicated 5.56×45mm can, I'd suggest figuring out your budget, and how much weight you're willing to deal with, and go from there. A full-sized can will obviously give better suppression characteristics, both acoustic and visual, but will also be heavier, something to really consider on a 16" gun. For a 16" gun, for my personal preference, a mini can would probably be more my speed, as it'll both be lighter and have less backpressure when utilizing a traditional baffled design, though I also don't really prize acoustic signature reduction as much as other factors; a mini can on a full-sized rifle generally sounds pretty similar to a full-sized on an SBR. PewScience is an invaluable resource, I second the encouragement that you check it out, as they have lots of good data there.

Also something to consider is that flow through suppressor designs tend to be louder than baffled suppressors using traditional measurements (1 meter left of muzzle), they can be quieter for the shooter, due to the lessening of port noise due to reduced backpressure, so the question is do you care more about acoustic suppression for the shooter or for bystanders (or the targets downrange)? If it's for the shooter, flow through designs should definitely be something to look at if they fit your budget.

[Jaywalker]

That sounds about right about the Omega 300. It'll still work just fine, and realistically, my SWAG is that you'll not notice any real difference with the newer cans of the same design goal, even if they meter better, just because the human ear sucks at determining volume in a precise way, plus you'll want to have ear pro on anyway since the 5.56×45mm is still going to be supersonic. The back pressure issue is real, but given that it's a .30 caliber can, it shouldn't be a huge deal, since it'll be overbored anyway.

If you want a dedicated 5.56×45mm can, I'd suggest figuring out your budget, and how much weight you're willing to deal with, and go from there. A full-sized can will obviously give better suppression characteristics, both acoustic and visual, but will also be heavier, something to really consider on a 16" gun. For a 16" gun, for my personal preference, a mini can would probably be more my speed, as it'll both be lighter and have less backpressure when utilizing a traditional baffled design, though I also don't really prize acoustic signature reduction as much as other factors; a mini can on a full-sized rifle generally sounds pretty similar to a full-sized on an SBR. PewScience is an invaluable resource, I second the encouragement that you check it out, as they have lots of good data there.

Also something to consider is that flow through suppressor designs tend to be louder than baffled suppressors using traditional measurements (1 meter left of muzzle), they can be quieter for the shooter, due to the lessening of port noise due to reduced backpressure, so the question is do you care more about acoustic suppression for the shooter or for bystanders (or the targets downrange)? If it's for the shooter, flow through designs should definitely be something to look at if they fit your budget.

This post is something of a revelation to me by linking factors I didn't understand were linked.


The back pressure issue is real, but given that it's a .30 caliber can, it shouldn't be a huge deal, since it'll be overbored anyway. This makes sense but I hadn't considered it.



For a 16" gun, for my personal preference, a mini can would probably be more my speed, as it'll both be lighter and have less backpressure when utilizing a traditional baffled design... Right - give up a few dB in order get a setup that has less gas in the face. I also hadn't realized until recently that GITF was a real problem, and not just something I'd be able to ignore.



...flow through suppressor designs tend to be louder than baffled suppressors using traditional measurements (1 meter left of muzzle), they can be quieter for the shooter Finally, I definitely hadn't realized that flow through-type suppressors were quieter at the ear than at the traditionally-measured point one meter to the left of the muzzle. I should have mentioned that while I generally shoot alone and therefore my ears are my main consideration, I can also see using this rifle for home defense, so multiple inside walls might still rule out the flow through type. That will take some more thought. Price is still a consideration, but minor.

Thanks.

[rob_s]

three thoughts spring to mind…

Be prepared to be disappointed. Unless you’ve spent a fair amount of time testing and shooting suppressors, you’re likely going to be disappointed with just about anything you choose. Exceptions might be 300wtf and/or .22 shooting subsonics. Even I have to admit that both of those are giggle-worthy (particularly the former).
don’t get too caught up by new hotness. By the time you get your can, it’ll be old busted. You can try your best to buy todays new hotness, but u less something has changed with paperwork wait times, by the time you have your can at home, something new will be out. To a big deal, but maybe alleviates any desire to try and buy today’s new hotness. Later on, it won’t be.
Multitaskers are best. Unless you actually have a very specific (often professional) use case*, and given 1 and 2 above, you’re better off getting something that’ll work on multiple guns/calibers. IMO that’s a short (6-7in max), light (10-12oz max), .30 can that has mounts available to go between .223, 7.62 (x39 and x54), and 9mm. 9mm is maybe debatable, but why not. And I don’t mean 9mm handguns. IMO center fire handguns deserve their own can. Personally I want a mix of brake and hider mounts in both 7.62 and 5.56 and various thread patterns to work on AR, AK, etc.




*personal example of a specific use case. I have a 9mm SBR AR. I’ve had it for years. I use it at home for pest control with the can and subsonics, and I use it (infrequently, granted, with it was more) for PCC matches. So I have a 9mm can that has a qd flash hider mount. I can easily remove it for matches then come home and put the can back on for ‘coons. One thing I’d do different now is install a brake mount instead of the hider but I’m not burning down any scoresheets regardless so it really doesn’t bother me.

I don’t use the can on handguns, I don’t want “modular”, I just want something that goes easy on/off on a gun that serves dual purpose. That’s it. And even if/when I get a .30 multitasker, and even if it can also do 9mm, that future can will probably never go on this gun. The current setup works too well.

[rob_s]

And now a question….

Is there a .30 cal flow through can with QD hider and brake mounts in various thread pitches that’s ~6in long and ~10oz?

‘Cause “shooter’s ear” is literally about the only thing I care about when looking at suppressors.

[Jaywalker]

Pew science has a recent article with comparisons of flow through suppressors tested on a mk18 556 sbr and has discussion about soundlevels at the muzzle vs shooters ear. It may still be of interest even though it's focused on 556. While flow through seems to also mean pricey, it does seem to be effective at reducing sound levels at the ear per their tests.

https://pewscience.com/sound-signature-reviews-free/sss-6-103-research-supplement-taming-the-mk18

Thanks. That pretty much changes everything I thought I knew about flow through and proprietary mount designs.

[Wake27]

three thoughts spring to mind…

Be prepared to be disappointed. Unless you’ve spent a fair amount of time testing and shooting suppressors, you’re likely going to be disappointed with just about anything you choose. Exceptions might be 300wtf and/or .22 shooting subsonics. Even I have to admit that both of those are giggle-worthy (particularly the former).
don’t get too caught up by new hotness. By the time you get your can, it’ll be old busted. You can try your best to buy todays new hotness, but u less something has changed with paperwork wait times, by the time you have your can at home, something new will be out. To a big deal, but maybe alleviates any desire to try and buy today’s new hotness. Later on, it won’t be.
Multitaskers are best. Unless you actually have a very specific (often professional) use case*, and given 1 and 2 above, you’re better off getting something that’ll work on multiple guns/calibers. IMO that’s a short (6-7in max), light (10-12oz max), .30 can that has mounts available to go between .223, 7.62 (x39 and x54), and 9mm. 9mm is maybe debatable, but why not. And I don’t mean 9mm handguns. IMO center fire handguns deserve their own can. Personally I want a mix of brake and hider mounts in both 7.62 and 5.56 and various thread patterns to work on AR, AK, etc.




*personal example of a specific use case. I have a 9mm SBR AR. I’ve had it for years. I use it at home for pest control with the can and subsonics, and I use it (infrequently, granted, with it was more) for PCC matches. So I have a 9mm can that has a qd flash hider mount. I can easily remove it for matches then come home and put the can back on for ‘coons. One thing I’d do different now is install a brake mount instead of the hider but I’m not burning down any scoresheets regardless so it really doesn’t bother me.

I don’t use the can on handguns, I don’t want “modular”, I just want something that goes easy on/off on a gun that serves dual purpose. That’s it. And even if/when I get a .30 multitasker, and even if it can also do 9mm, that future can will probably never go on this gun. The current setup works too well.

I’ve already stated why I disagree (but understand) with point number three but I definitely agree with one and two.

1. A full size can on a 16” would be very long. I really only use my full size on my 14.5s when shooting off a bipod or tripod and that’s still an inch or so shorter than a 16” gun. But I was also told to not get a shorty for my first suppressor because of how disappointing it’ll sound in regards to actual suppression.

I was convinced to think of them as signature reduction more than sound suppressors and definitely not silencers. In that sense, at least on a 5.56 AR, I’m good with it. But if you’re really trying to get quiet, this will end in disappointment.

2. Because of all of the annoying NFA stuff and the huge assortment of proprietary mounts, I want the gold standard when it comes to suppressors. I think there is something ti be said for newest technology since this area is growing tremendously over the last few years like LPVOs and pistol red dots but I definitely don’t want to be a test subject when it comes to an NFA item. The SureFire RC2 and Mini still seems like the Glock 19 answer to me.


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[WobblyPossum]

Finally, I definitely hadn't realized that flow through-type suppressors were quieter at the ear than at the traditionally-measured point one meter to the left of the muzzle. I should have mentioned that while I generally shoot alone and therefore my ears are my main consideration, I can also see using this rifle for home defense, so multiple inside walls might still rule out the flow through type. That will take some more thought. Price is still a consideration, but minor.

Thanks.

Indoors it won’t matter much what you choose so don’t let the home defense possibility rule out some otherwise solid cans. They’re all essentially the same, sound wise, when you’re lighting off supersonic 5.56 inside a room. By they’re all the same, I mean they’re all going to be loud as hell. It’ll obviously be quieter than an unsuppressed rifle. Mostly you’ll be cutting dB levels down to below the “this causes me physical pain” level. The new hotness that’s already been mentioned here seems to be the HUXWRX Flow 5.56k flow through that’s already been mentioned. They were just awarded the FBI SWAT or HRT contract (I don’t remember if it was one or the other or both). That’s primarily an indoor mission.

[Jaywalker]

three thoughts spring to mind…

Be prepared to be disappointed. Unless you’ve spent a fair amount of time testing and shooting suppressors, you’re likely going to be disappointed with just about anything you choose. Exceptions might be 300wtf and/or .22 shooting subsonics. Even I have to admit that both of those are giggle-worthy (particularly the former).
don’t get too caught up by new hotness. By the time you get your can, it’ll be old busted. You can try your best to buy todays new hotness, but u less something has changed with paperwork wait times, by the time you have your can at home, something new will be out. To a big deal, but maybe alleviates any desire to try and buy today’s new hotness. Later on, it won’t be.
Multitaskers are best. Unless you actually have a very specific (often professional) use case*, and given 1 and 2 above, you’re better off getting something that’ll work on multiple guns/calibers. IMO that’s a short (6-7in max), light (10-12oz max), .30 can that has mounts available to go between .223, 7.62 (x39 and x54), and 9mm. 9mm is maybe debatable, but why not. And I don’t mean 9mm handguns. IMO center fire handguns deserve their own can. Personally I want a mix of brake and hider mounts in both 7.62 and 5.56 and various thread patterns to work on AR, AK, etc.




*personal example of a specific use case. I have a 9mm SBR AR. I’ve had it for years. I use it at home for pest control with the can and subsonics, and I use it (infrequently, granted, with it was more) for PCC matches. So I have a 9mm can that has a qd flash hider mount. I can easily remove it for matches then come home and put the can back on for ‘coons. One thing I’d do different now is install a brake mount instead of the hider but I’m not burning down any scoresheets regardless so it really doesn’t bother me.

I don’t use the can on handguns, I don’t want “modular”, I just want something that goes easy on/off on a gun that serves dual purpose. That’s it. And even if/when I get a .30 multitasker, and even if it can also do 9mm, that future can will probably never go on this gun. The current setup works too well.

Thanks. I appreciate the advice to be prepared for disappointment and avoiding the new hotness. I'm not sure about multi-taskers, but you might well be right. Right now I'm leaning towards a 7.62 can when I don't have a 7.62, both for possible future use and also because it might lessen back-pressure gas.

[Jaywalker]

Indoors it won’t matter much what you choose so don’t let the home defense possibility rule out some otherwise solid cans. They’re all essentially the same, sound wise, when you’re lighting off supersonic 5.56 inside a room. By they’re all the same, I mean they’re all going to be loud as hell. It’ll obviously be quieter than an unsuppressed rifle. Mostly you’ll be cutting dB levels down to below the “this causes me physical pain” level. The new hotness that’s already been mentioned here seems to be the HUXWRX Flow 5.56k flow through that’s already been mentioned. They were just awarded the FBI SWAT or HRT contract (I don’t remember if it was one or the other or both). That’s primarily an indoor mission.

I didn't know about the contract, but it's the most expensive one I'm considering.

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I didn't know about the contract, but it's the most expensive one I'm considering.
It was with HRT: https://huxwrx.com/fbi-awards-huxwrx-safety-co-with-hrt-suppressor-contract

Ignore them saying that the FLOW 556k is only available to military/LE, that's since changed. I'll also note that HUXWRX has a pro deal that you can access through ExpertVoice, and that as a veteran you qualify, I recall the discount being fairly generous. Finally, the biggest strike against the FLOW 556k by my book is that it has a much shorter stated service life than some of its competitors:

10,000 rounds threshold with objective 20,000 rounds. Detailed cleaning will help ensure product performance and service life are not compromised - HUXWRX

Source: https://huxwrx.com/content/white-paper/FLOW-556k-White-Paper.pdf

I don't doubt that it'll likely reach 20k rounds without much issue with your statement of just casual shooting, and suppressor life is definitely extremely variable depending on firing schedule; think of it like barrel life on an AR, where the same barrel can be burned out in a thousand rounds or two if you're going full auto, while if you're doing slow fire you could easily reach into the tens of thousands without issue. Still, when you have SureFire literally claiming that their cans have unknown service life due to the fact that they have cans with round counts in the 100k with minimal degradation of performance, it might give you pause that the HUXWRX cans have such a low number attached to them.

Just something to think about, as by all accounts, the FLOW 556k performs excellently in all other aspects, with its excellent acoustic suppression, minimal backpressure, and low size and weight.

[rob_s]

Thanks. I appreciate the advice to be prepared for disappointment and avoiding the new hotness. I'm not sure about multi-taskers, but you might well be right. Right now I'm leaning towards a 7.62 can when I don't have a 7.62, both for possible future use and also because it might lessen back-pressure gas.

what cans have you experienced firsthand so far?

This chart is outdates and (should go without saying) skewed towards my wants/needs/interests but might give you some good data points.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GDsKKkewMeMuTHAmjl9KebQbS6T2iPKxQePPGyVJjAY/edit?usp=sharing

this guy was high on my list after compiling all of that
https://thunderbeastarms.com/products/ultra-7

[entropy]

Reading this with great intensity as I’m also doing my first NFA/suppressor purchase. Primarily for .300BO and 5.56, but it would be nice to have the capability to put it on .308 and .300WM too.

A whole different world that I have zero experience in. Nobody I shoot with does either.

[Clusterfrack]

...this guy was high on my list after compiling all of that
https://thunderbeastarms.com/products/ultra-7

I have fallen for the New Hotness and been disappointed, as have several friends.

No one I know, including me, has been disappointed by TBAC suppressors. My Ultra 7 6.5 is an excellent can.

[joshs]

I'm modifying my requirements from a can that will cover 5.56. 300 Blk, and 9mm, down to 5.56 only.

For a dedicated 5.56 can, I like "k" size and weight cans. Even full size cans on 5.56 guns are still loud, so I'm not super concerned with the sound tradeoff. I'm a big fan of the YHM Turbo K. They showed and even shorter model that is wider at SHOT this year.

My next 5.56 can will likely be the Otter Creek Polonium K. I think the Flow 556k and the CGS Sci Six are really interesting cans too, but I have some concerns with warranty issues on a printed can that doesn't use the Energetic serial ring.

[HeavyDuty]

I’ve found the initial learning curve for sound suppression is very steep.

[entropy]

I’ve found the initial learning curve for sound suppression is very steep.

This is an understatement.

I’ve waited a LONG time to get to the point being able to purchase anything NFA. It’s daunting.

[rob_s]

I’ve found the initial learning curve for sound suppression is very steep.


This is an understatement.

I’ve waited a LONG time to get to the point being able to purchase anything NFA. It’s daunting.

thread drift...

JMHO, the wait times have been part of this, but I think it's a good idea to jump in with a .22 can where there's relatively low cost and low risk (provided you aren't trying for new hotness) to get your feet wet, understand the process, etc.

I have an old one of these that would still be a fine option IMO
https://www.gemtech.com/product/gm-22

(which reminds me, I need to look into this as well
https://www.gemtech.com/product/improved-outback-upgrade-iou-program)

[ccmdfd]

thread drift...

JMHO, the wait times have been part of this, but I think it's a good idea to jump in with a .22 can where there's relatively low cost and low risk (provided you aren't trying for new hotness) to get your feet wet, understand the process, etc.

I have an old one of these that would still be a fine option IMO
https://www.gemtech.com/product/gm-22

(which reminds me, I need to look into this as well
https://www.gemtech.com/product/improved-outback-upgrade-iou-program)

And they're the most fun, useful, and practical class of suppressors.

[DpdG]

Sig has their SLX/SLH series of flow-through cans with 7.62 and QD available, and the K sized ones are quite light. Proprietary (and expensive) mounts, but given the use of the can/mount in the NGSW program, I suspect the mount will be around for a while and (hopefully) there will be compatible 3rd party mounts. The downside is the cans are pricy and the SLX reportedly heavily prioritizes backpressure reduction at the expense of sound suppression. The SLH is advertised as splitting the difference between the back pressure of the SLX and a normal baffle style can, but better sound suppression than the SLX.

[entropy]

Not to thread hijack....

Purpose for me is predators (coyotes), something my wife will be comfortable shooting (multi use tool) and me wanting to be neighborly shooting centerfire rifles on our property. Rimfire would be a second purchase.

[TGS]

Sig has their SLX/SLH series of flow-through cans with 7.62 and QD available, and the K sized ones are quite light. Proprietary (and expensive) mounts, but given the use of the can/mount in the NGSW program, I suspect the mount will be around for a while and (hopefully) there will be compatible 3rd party mounts. The downside is the cans are pricy and the SLX reportedly heavily prioritizes backpressure reduction at the expense of sound suppression. The SLH is advertised as splitting the difference between the back pressure of the SLX and a normal baffle style can, but better sound suppression than the SLX.

I'm hesitant about investing in the SLX/SLH for the same reason people mentioned about the SPEAR-LT in another thread: SIG has a history of updating and dropping designs, including factory support, at the drop of a hat. Contract requirements can be modified with the stroke of a pen, and that mount can go the way of the dodo bird PDQ, and the can is not reverse compatible with the industry standard 1-3/8th x 24 mounting pattern. Given SIG's frenetic habits, I'm holding off even though I'm strongly interested in the SLX and SLX-C.

At the same time, the YHM Turbo-K is still really hard to beat unless a user has a hard go/no-go requirement for flow-through design. The Turbo-K using a Plan-A or Plan B is about a quarter pound lighter than the SLX-C, noticeably shorter, and half the price. YHM even just introduced a modified baffle stack in the new T3 generation for reduced backpressure, although I haven't seen anything about measurable differences.


Not to thread hijack....

Purpose for me is predators (coyotes), something my wife will be comfortable shooting (multi use tool) and me wanting to be neighborly shooting centerfire rifles on our property. Rimfire would be a second purchase.

Totally get your hesitancy due to the overwhelming number of options and configurations. I felt the same way until I said f'it and pulled the trigger.

Buy the YHM Turbo (5.56) or Resonator (7.62) and go from there. They use a very common mounting pattern, so once you get familiar and want something different, you can swap the mount for any number of options that might suit your tastes better.

ETA: I should have also mentioned the new YHM sRx mount as an option to compete against the Plan A and Plan B. If you can order it with the can instead of a Phantom QD, that's super and even more reason to favor the YHM.

[entropy]

Thanks.

The YHM offerings have received attention. From what I have read, not the sexiest, but solid and reasonably priced. I’ve bought their other stuff in the past, (minor stuff like gas blocks, flash hiders etc) and have always viewed them as solid. I’ll do more study’n.

[rob_s]

Buy the YHM Turbo (5.56) or Resonator (7.62) and go from there. They use a very common mounting pattern, so once you get familiar and want something different, you can swap the mount for any number of options that might suit your tastes better.

ETA: I should have also mentioned the new YHM sRx mount as an option to compete against the Plan A and Plan B. If you can order it with the can instead of a Phantom QD, that's super and even more reason to favor the YHM.

I’m a big fan of YHM cans. My 9mm can is a YHM. Mounts aren’t the sexiest new hotness but the thing works.

This is also high on my list of multitaskers
https://yhm.net/products/resonator-k--30-cal.-suppression-system/

I figure these are the muzzle devices I’d want. Maybe two of the 7.62 FH mounts if I ever got a .300wtf.

101804

I like where they are headed with the sRx stuff but it looks like they aren’t yet selling cans outfitted that way from the start, and they don’t appear to have an AK thread pitch mount yet.
https://yhm.net/new-products/

[HeavyDuty]

Stoopid newb question - at least some of the YHM suppressors have standardized threading at the rear (HUB?) so you could attach another pattern QD, like a KeyMo mount?

[LittleLebowski]

Sig has their SLX/SLH series of flow-through cans with 7.62 and QD available, and the K sized ones are quite light. Proprietary (and expensive) mounts, but given the use of the can/mount in the NGSW program, I suspect the mount will be around for a while and (hopefully) there will be compatible 3rd party mounts. The downside is the cans are pricy and the SLX reportedly heavily prioritizes backpressure reduction at the expense of sound suppression. The SLH is advertised as splitting the difference between the back pressure of the SLX and a normal baffle style can, but better sound suppression than the SLX.

Eh...checked prices on those SIG cans lately? Es no bueno.

[DpdG]

Completely agree- hence the caveats that the cans are pricy. I concur with TGS’s concerns about Sig phasing in/out changes all willy-nilly.

[757_Magnum]

With Fiocchi 158 gr, it took about 5 rounds to find my hold point. No more jugs, and likely won't use it for another 2 years. With mild tinnitus, my ears are still ringing after only 15 rounds. So I ended up with an expensive, long awaited range toy that still requires ear pro. CF silencers on pistols are not that silent.


Ammo is the other half of the suppression equation, especially in regards to subsonic rounds. I have an Octane 9, and my full power 147 gr handloads still turn heads at the range. It's really about the powder used in the round. A lot of the 147 gr stuff on the shelf is still pretty crappy. If you want store bought, I've heard the Federal Syntech rounds are about as good as it gets and are fairly available.

[WobblyPossum]

Stoopid newb question - at least some of the YHM suppressors have standardized threading at the rear (HUB?) so you could attach another pattern QD, like a KeyMo mount?

Correct.

[joshs]

Ammo is the other half of the suppression equation, especially in regards to subsonic rounds. I have an Octane 9, and my full power 147 gr handloads still turn heads at the range. It's really about the powder used in the round. A lot of the 147 gr stuff on the shelf is still pretty crappy. If you want store bought, I've heard the Federal Syntech rounds are about as good as it gets and are fairly available.

This is true even for .22. CCI Standard is my default ammo, but it can still be a little loud in certain circumstances (I've even had it go supersonic in the right (wrong?) conditions). But, the intentionally subsonic stuff is usually closer to 850-950 fps, and is noticeably quieter.

[joshs]

Stoopid newb question - at least some of the YHM suppressors have standardized threading at the rear (HUB?) so you could attach another pattern QD, like a KeyMo mount?

Yes. I'm using the Dead Air Xeno for all my 5.56 cans now. I really like reverse threads on a mount that is using a HUB backend. While it isn't an issue with a fixed mount can, one of the problems with HUB is the the HUB treads will sometimes loosen instead of the mount threads. Having reverse threads on the mount makes this impossible. It also prevents the entire flash hider or brake from threading off of the rifle with with can.

[alamo5000]

I've just started my NFA trust, i.e., paid a lawyer to structure it, and might well be shopping for a suppressor this weekend. I'll use it on a 16" AR for casual shooting - no extended 5.56 mag dumps - and possibly in the future an SBR in 300 BLK. It's also possible I'll want to suppress my HK P30, but that's lower priority and possibly an idea I'll abandon. From multiple threads here I've found the SilencerCo Omega variants well considered, and it appears either the 300 or the 36M fit my requirements. I'm leaning towards the 36M for its versatility. I plan to use some version of a three-prong flash hider mount - no muzzle brakes for me. (I don't understand yet all I know about suppressor mounting...)

Is there a reason to consider something else for my first NFA item, assuming performance, maintenance, customer service, and cost are a big part of my requirements?

If I had to only get one suppressor (which I don't), but if I did, it would be a Griffin Explorr 30 cal. They are not the quietest one on the market, but the criteria for that is subjective. Let me explain.

Some suppressors can get superior muzzle numbers, but that comes at the cost of higher back pressure and gassy face as well as MUCH louder port pop on semi auto rifles. The Explorr series, as well as other name brand suppressors, are now going to what I call 'balanced gas' approaches. This means they engineer into the suppressor enough flow through to keep the total shooting experience as pleasant as possible from every angle.

On a gas gun that means little to nothing, but on a AR type platform, it means a whole lot.

With any 5.56 weapon, suppressor or no suppressor you will need to wear ear protection, hence chasing single decibels is not a good thing to pursue. That applies to any can from any manufacturer.

The other thing these Explorr series cans have going for them is weight. They are insanely light, but they are not made out of Titanium. They are made using a 'tube less' method, which means they machine the baffles, then simply weld them together into a stack vs the traditional way of stuffing baffles into a tube.

They are extremely rugged as well.

I am not usually a freak about weight, but in certain situations it matters. A LOT. If I give you a 2lb weight, you would think it wasn't that much. If I taped that 2lbs to the end of a long broom handle and had you hold it out straight for a long time it would be extremely heavy. In other words the mix of how the rifle is balanced matters a lot, but a lighter can offers a lot of benefits and leeway in this department.

Edit: Another benefit is IF you ever have a baffle strike, the can is engraved closer to the mount end. The manufacturer will simply cut the baffle stack off of the can and weld a new one in place. About a week to ten days later you get your can back. It can be two weeks at times, but nothing crazy like a six month wait. Also with my other Griffin cans they also allow for baffle upgrades. IE I bought a can like 5-6 years ago, and since then baffle tech has improved a lot. I was able to send my can in to the original manufacturer and have the baffles replaced without buying a new can.

[Jaywalker]

Edit: Another benefit is IF you ever have a baffle strike, the can is engraved closer to the mount end. The manufacturer will simply cut the baffle stack off of the can and weld a new one in place. About a week to ten days later you get your can back. It can be two weeks at times, but nothing crazy like a six month wait. Also with my other Griffin cans they also allow for baffle upgrades. IE I bought a can like 5-6 years ago, and since then baffle tech has improved a lot. I was able to send my can in to the original manufacturer and have the baffles replaced without buying a new can.

Never thought of that. Thanks.

[joshs]

Never thought of that. Thanks.

That's the point I was trying to make with the newer printed cans. I'm not sure they have a good way to repair their cans like a traditional stacked baffle. They could licensed the serial number ring from Energetic Armament (which was a very good idea on their part to patent), but I don't know if there is another way to repair a printed can. If it can't be repaired, then, even if the company chooses to warranty it, you have to go back trough the From 4 process.

[Jimichanga]

I've just started my NFA trust, i.e., paid a lawyer to structure it, and might well be shopping for a suppressor this weekend. I'll use it on a 16" AR for casual shooting - no extended 5.56 mag dumps - and possibly in the future an SBR in 300 BLK. It's also possible I'll want to suppress my HK P30, but that's lower priority and possibly an idea I'll abandon. From multiple threads here I've found the SilencerCo Omega variants well considered, and it appears either the 300 or the 36M fit my requirements. I'm leaning towards the 36M for its versatility. I plan to use some version of a three-prong flash hider mount - no muzzle brakes for me. (I don't understand yet all I know about suppressor mounting...)

Is there a reason to consider something else for my first NFA item, assuming performance, maintenance, customer service, and cost are a big part of my requirements?

I would not recommend a "do all" can as a first purchase. I got a really good deal on a Silencerco Hybrid 46 so i picked one up a few years ago. It does most things ok but nothing really well. I have more money in the various aftermarket mounts/configurations than I do in the can. I like the fact that I can suppress a pistol and my 45/70 lever gun without buying a dedicated suppressor for each.
YHM Resonator would be a good can for your stated purpose.

I've thrown a fair amount of money at NFA items over the years and here are a couple of stream of consciousness points:


Buy a good user serviceable 22 can at the same time you make your other purchase. They don't cost that much and you are waiting anyway. 22 cans are fun as hell and never get old.
Pistol cans are a novelty. They are fun range toys but impractical. Shooting skunks or raccoons on my rural property without irritating the neighbors is they only time I use it.
Buy from a manufacturer who will be around when/if you have problems. I have a few cans that I purchased where the manufacturer went out of business and I am sol. Sig changing product lines like underwear would be another example.
Silencerco has excellent CS. Search the various forums for manufacturer CS examples when people have a baffle strike or need service.
While you are waiting for your NFA item a "new" version will come out and be the new hotness. Accept this eventuality. Research your purchase and be cool with it. The technological advances are incremental at this point.
You are better off getting a dedicated AR can than trying to force another can into that role. 223 ARs are still loudAF and not hearing safe. Still practical on a HD gun so u don't blow out your ears inside a structure.
No matter what you believe now, you will end up buying multiple cans so getting one that serves a defined role is best.
Buy a precision rifle can for your hunting/precision rifle. Shooting unsuppressed bolt guns is not preferred.
It is cheaper to decide on a mounting system early on and stick with it. Consider your needs, research the mounts and buy that system.
Make the purchase and do your best to forget about it. It takes forever.
Your neighbors will bitch less if you shoot suppressed.

[TGS]

Yes. I'm using the Dead Air Xeno for all my 5.56 cans now. I really like reverse threads on a mount that is using a HUB backend. While it isn't an issue with a fixed mount can, one of the problems with HUB is the the HUB treads will sometimes loosen instead of the mount threads. Having reverse threads on the mount makes this impossible. It also prevents the entire flash hider or brake from threading off of the rifle with with can.

ST-3 fixes that issue for HUB cans.

[HeavyDuty]

ST-3 fixes that issue for HUB cans.

Who’s he when he’s at home? (Google didn’t help.)

[TGS]

Who’s he when he’s at home? (Google didn’t help.)

Sorry, should have been more descriptive.

ST-3 is a thread locker, and is what Griffin Armament specs to use on the HUB threads. It's more moderate-strength than Rocksett, while still being high temp rated.

https://www.griffinarmament.com/st-3a-thread-sealant/

Note that you should still torque it using the provided wrenches with your can and HUB adapter. This just makes sure it doesn't loosen up, and is quit eliterally what Griffin Armament tells people to use.

[HeavyDuty]

Sorry, should have been more descriptive.

ST-3 is a thread locker, and is what Griffin Armament specs to use on the HUB threads. It's more moderate-strength than Rocksett, while still being high temp rated.

https://www.griffinarmament.com/st-3a-thread-sealant/

Note that you should still torque it using the provided wrenches with your can and HUB adapter. This just makes sure it doesn't loosen up, and is quit eliterally what Griffin Armament tells people to use.

Thanks! Using a thread treatment of some kind makes sense.

[rob_s]

Something else about suppressors… you’re pretty much gonna keep whatever you buy forever. Nobody ever seems to sell them.

Yet another reason I’d never buy a dedicated unitasker can again.

I have an Ops Inc…. Something or other. It sits mounted on my HD gun because that’s the only gun it fits. If I had a multitasker it would do exactly the same thing the ops can does (sitting on my fantasy Larper gun in the safe) but could also be used for other (possibly even fun!) stuff too.

I almost had the Ops can sold to someone that wanted the nostalgia for some replica gun or other from when they were cool, but the aggravation factor for both of us grew beyond my desire to be rid of it and his desire to have it so it just kind of fizzled.

So in the safe it sits. Protecting us all from the boogie monster…

ETA:
which also reminds me, of you just want a can to want it, all the more reason to get a multitasker.

If you had a real need, you’d already know what you should buy and wouldn’t need this thread.

[HeavyDuty]

Good points, Rob. I still think a multitasker like a Wolfman is my best route for an initial and possibly only can since I can use it on my 9mm PCCs, .300 BLK and 5.56. I’m sure I’ll be classified as a light user on the rifle chamberings and the fact that it doesn’t have a barrel length restriction for these is appealing.

If I end up liking it, maybe I can look at a can to leave on one of the 9mms - probably the MPX-K since I have a longer handguard for it. I always liked the SD concept. Plus, a silenced 10-22 would get a lot of use.

Crap, now I’m up to three.

[ccmdfd]

Crap, now I’m up to three.

They multiply like Tribbles.

[joshs]

Sorry, should have been more descriptive.

ST-3 is a thread locker, and is what Griffin Armament specs to use on the HUB threads. It's more moderate-strength than Rocksett, while still being high temp rated.

https://www.griffinarmament.com/st-3a-thread-sealant/

Note that you should still torque it using the provided wrenches with your can and HUB adapter. This just makes sure it doesn't loosen up, and is quit eliterally what Griffin Armament tells people to use.

I use Rocksett, and I've still had HUB mounts and endcaps come off with high round count 5.56. If you have a mount that starts to get carbon locked, turning it in a direction that is tightening both the HUB mount and the flash hider is a big benefit to me.

[littlejerry]

I'll offer a contrarian view:

A multitasker can is good and versatile, but I don't want to use it if it's long and heavy. I'm also not going to switch out hub mounts between DT, QD rifle, tri-lug/pcc, etc when I want to go shoot.

If your intent is to suppress a 16" AR, then get a good can for that purpose.

On a 16" rifle my main concerns are weight and length. Turning a 16" AR into a 24" pig is dumb unless you plan to only shoot off a bench. Get a short, light can that you'll actually use. The Turbo K has been mentioned many times. It's inexpensive and well suited to ARs. I use one on a 12.5" and 16" barrel.

It's actually so good and inexpensive I bought another to just leave on the 12.5.

I understand the old sentiment "Buy once cry once, you're stuck with it forever", but there are so many good cans that cost $500 or less, its really not a big deal. Other than waiting 9 months there isn't much difference from buying a new pistol, unless you compulsively buy and sell guns.

Buy multiple cans that are actually well suited to what you're doing. That's 3, maybe 4 total cans(Rimfire, AR shorty, 9mm and/or .308). It's not that much money and a lot less fiddle fucking.

[TGS]

I use Rocksett, and I've still had HUB mounts and endcaps come off with high round count 5.56. If you have a mount that starts to get carbon locked, turning it in a direction that is tightening both the HUB mount and the flash hider is a big benefit to me.

I don't think I'm strong enough to unscrew a can set with Rocksett from the HUB to begin with. If the can was that stuck and required that much force, I'd have to use the wrench on the HUB to break it free from the mount, to begin with. :)

I haven't experienced carbon locking with my taper mounts, either...that'd be the Griffin Plan A and a Mk12/AEM-5. They're super tight when hot, but when they cool down they come off normally.

Which mount were you using when this happened?

[Jaywalker]

I ordered a suppressor: the HUXWRX Flow 556k from my local gun store, who will order it from the Silencer Shop.

Why that one? I started this thread assuming I'd get something like the traditional Omega 300, but I learned from the posters - not only the ones listed below:

Default.mp3 Go short and light, like a k can, and A full-sized can will obviously give better suppression characteristics, both acoustic and visual, but will also be heavier, something to really consider on a 16" gun, and Also something to consider is that flow through suppressor designs tend to be louder than baffled suppressors using traditional measurements (1 meter left of muzzle), they can be quieter for the shooter. Also, there a $300 off MSRP available, but I prefer to buy locally. Others may have different thoughts.

JclInAtx: Pointed out the Pew Science recent comparison, and I joined to get the member-only info.

rob_s: Be prepared to be disappointed

Lots of advice to ignore the new hotness, but the flow through cans are the only ones that have a real chance to reduce back pressure, which became more important to me than I thought when opening this thread. My LGS owner, who basically keeps his shop open on NFA sales, hasn't been happy with any adjustable gas blocks, "They all seize," he says, even after I mentioned some of the better ones I'd read about.

The Flow 556k seems ideal. Pew Science mentioned that the Flow 556 K had "class leading back pressure reduction," if I remember the quote properly, which means I have a chance to minimize gas to the face. It also has excellent "at the ear" readings. The FBI HRT bought 1,000 of them, which means they passed some pretty serious initial screening, but may well be a number chosen to be an extended field test. Since it's unlikely I'll be able to sell any NFA items, I'd rather buy something that just might be what I need, with a bit of "prepare to be disappointed" factored in. Then there's the hope that I can avoid expensive tuning to get the can and 16" AR running right, e.g., gas blocker charging handle, adjustable gas block, which I'd prefer to avoid.

The Flow 556 K has some disadvantages. Default.mp3 mentioned 10k rounds service life, but I'm unlikely to bump up against that. A more serious problem is warranty coverage - "The warranty excludes products damaged due to normal wear and tear, unauthorized modifications, embellishments or alterations, improper use, improper maintenance, accident, misuse, negligence, damage, or if the product is used for a purpose for which it was not designed or used not in accordance with the product instruction." I read this to mean baffle strikes, or whatever the equivalent is in flow-through construction, is not covered, but if it can't be repaired they'll allow 50% off on a new purchase of a similar type. Of course, that means another year of awaiting a tax stamp. Then there's the high cost of $1125, likely the product of my chasing, against advice, the new hotness.

Now for the year's wait.

[WobblyPossum]

I'll offer a contrarian view:

A multitasker can is good and versatile, but I don't want to use it if it's long and heavy. I'm also not going to switch out hub mounts between DT, QD rifle, tri-lug/pcc, etc when I want to go shoot.

If your intent is to suppress a 16" AR, then get a good can for that purpose.

On a 16" rifle my main concerns are weight and length. Turning a 16" AR into a 24" pig is dumb unless you plan to only shoot off a bench. Get a short, light can that you'll actually use. The Turbo K has been mentioned many times. It's inexpensive and well suited to ARs. I use one on a 12.5" and 16" barrel.

It's actually so good and inexpensive I bought another to just leave on the 12.5.

I understand the old sentiment "Buy once cry once, you're stuck with it forever", but there are so many good cans that cost $500 or less, its really not a big deal. Other than waiting 9 months there isn't much difference from buying a new pistol, unless you compulsively buy and sell guns.

Buy multiple cans that are actually well suited to what you're doing. That's 3, maybe 4 total cans(Rimfire, AR shorty, 9mm and/or .308). It's not that much money and a lot less fiddle fucking.

Tbilisi is the camp I fall into as well. I’ve got my short 5.56 can and am currently waiting for my 9mm can to be approved. Up next is the .22 rimfire can. I’m not interested in messing with different end caps for different calibers and different muzzle devices because some barrels are tri-lug and some are threaded if I want to move the same suppressor between different configurations and calibers. The 5.56 suppressor can be moved from 5.56 rifle to 5.56 rifle as long as they can accept the same muzzle device. The 9mm can be mounted to any gun with a tri-lug attachment.

[joshs]

I don't think I'm strong enough to unscrew a can set with Rocksett from the HUB to begin with. If the can was that stuck and required that much force, I'd have to use the wrench on the HUB to break it free from the mount, to begin with. :)

I haven't experienced carbon locking with my taper mounts, either...that'd be the Griffin Plan A and a Mk12/AEM-5. They're super tight when hot, but when they cool down they come off normally.

Which mount were you using when this happened?

Maybe you just need to hit the gym more :cool:. I don't think that I've broken the Rocksett. I think that repeated heat cycles did, then it just turned off. I've mostly had it happen with ASR mounts, but I've seen it with Q Plan B and others. It usually happens when taking a hot can off, which I sometimes have to do when packing up from a demo in order to get off a range at a specific time.

[jandbj]

https://libertycans.net/product/infiniti-x-lightweight-multic-caliber-suppressor/

My favorite multiuse can. Longer than all the newest modular hotnesses but it’s light and quiet. I’ve run it on SBR’s in .9mm, 357 mag, 5.56, 6.5grendel, 7.62x39 & a 16” Ruger GSR in .308. I just use the direct thread method for all of em.



Rimfire guns have bunch of rimfire cans… and get shot 100:1 over all the centerfire stuff. Don’t use a multi on the rimfires. My old school AAC 7.62SD now feels like a boat anchor by comparison to the Liberty on the GSR.

[Default.mp3]

Then there's the high cost of $1125, likely the product of my chasing, against advice, the new hotness.Not sure if it's too late for you to take advantage of this, but as a vet, you can qualify for HUXWRX's veteran discount: https://huxwrx.com/mil-le-discount

As a first responder, my discount with them is fairly generous, and can make the pricing a fair bit more competitive.

[TGS]

ND on creating a new post. My b.

[Jaywalker]

Not sure if it's too late for you to take advantage of this, but as a vet, you can qualify for HUXWRX's veteran discount: https://huxwrx.com/mil-le-discount

As a first responder, my discount with them is fairly generous, and can make the pricing a fair bit more competitive.

Yeah, thanks. I looked into it when you mentioned it previously, but I wanted to buy it local this time, so I went ahead with the order at my LGS. I called HUXWRX yesterday and they said ExpertVoice was the only discount available and they couldn't apply it to my LGS' order. He said the discount was $300, presumably off retail, which is (right now) $1318, so the cost would be $1018. Basically, I'm paying my guy to do my paperwork and track it for me. (You can get it without a discount at Bauer Precision for $1054 without registering with ExpertVoice.)

[Default.mp3]

Yeah, thanks. I looked into it when you mentioned it previously, but I wanted to buy it local this time, so I went ahead with the order at my LGS. I called HUXWRX yesterday and they said ExpertVoice was the only discount available and they couldn't apply it to my LGS' order. He said the discount was $300, presumably off retail, which is (right now) $1318, so the cost would be $1018. Basically, I'm paying my guy to do my paperwork and track it for me. (You can get it without a discount at Bauer Precision for $1054 without registering with ExpertVoice.)FWIW, right now, it's a fair bit lower than 1018 USD on ExpertVoice. Just a choice you have to make, if you want to deal with handling the paperwork yourself to save some money, or if you want the local touch, which helps build rapport and also supports a local business. No wrong choice, just that if you're price sensitive, I would definitely sign up for ExpertVoice and look at the price (even factoring sales tax and 25 USD shipping, you're still a chunk of change below the estimated 1018 USD).

[Jaywalker]

FWIW, right now, it's a fair bit lower than 1018 USD on ExpertVoice. .

Good to know, thanks. I was going by what the guy at HUXWRX told me. I guess he didn't have up-to-date info. You should see my wife and me tip at a restaurant.

[entropy]

Wow. Here I thought the Revolver sub forum was at the top of the list at PF for bank account damage. Silly me.

Soaking it all in. Lucky for me that it will probably be a few weeks before I can get to a kiosk to upload all my info. Maybe by then I’ll have learned enough to make a decent decision.

Appreciate the heads up on the HUXWRX discount. Another line of products to investigate.

Reading thru this thread, I might be better off starting out with a dedicated .300BO, ordering a .22 along with that since they’re “*relatively*” inexpensive, and then waiting and doing more homework on one dedicated for a bolt gun. I don’t think it’s “maritially wise” to do all three at once. Lol

I’m gonna toss this out there out of pure ignorance so roll your eyes, bear with me, and point me in a general direction so I can educate myself...

Q, Kevin Brittingham and related products. There appears to be ALL kinds of opinions, topics, etc. It seems like they have made some innovative stuff. Owner has a quirky marketing gimmick, but good for him. Not much discussion (at least in this thread) on their products. This isn’t meant as a thread tangent. I’m just wanting to educate myself. Thanks.

[HeavyDuty]

This thread is costing me money, too - because it’s made me rethink and revalidate my prior assumptions and do a crapload more reading and talking to people who are suppressor experienced. I’ve changed what I’m getting, but it’s actually costing me less up front.

I’m going with a dedicated 9mm can for the SBRs as a first suppressor (a YHM R9 on three lug) and am now deciding between a Wolfman and a Sandman-S with KeyMo or KeyMicro for a second suppressor to mostly be used on 5.56 and .300, and possibly .308. That decision may be made next weekend at the suppressor shoot, but I think it comes down to the Wolfman’s weight and configurability advantage against the Sandman-L’s ability to be used on my .308 SIG 716i and bolt rifles. To be honest, I don’t see myself suppressing the .308s often so I’m leaning to the Wolfman - I’ve heard good things about how it plays with Rattlers.

I think I will be suppressing 9mm more often by far which is why I’m starting there. (Let’s not even bring up .22LR suppressors.)

[HeavyDuty]

Jaywalker, where in TX are you located? Capital Armory is throwing a suppressor shoot next Saturday south of Austin. I’ll be there for at least a few hours.

[joshs]

Wow. Here I thought the Revolver sub forum was at the top of the list at PF for bank account damage. Silly me.

Soaking it all in. Lucky for me that it will probably be a few weeks before I can get to a kiosk to upload all my info. Maybe by then I’ll have learned enough to make a decent decision.

Appreciate the heads up on the HUXWRX discount. Another line of products to investigate.

Reading thru this thread, I might be better off starting out with a dedicated .300BO, ordering a .22 along with that since they’re “*relatively*” inexpensive, and then waiting and doing more homework on one dedicated for a bolt gun. I don’t think it’s “maritially wise” to do all three at once. Lol

I’m gonna toss this out there out of pure ignorance so roll your eyes, bear with me, and point me in a general direction so I can educate myself...

Q, Kevin Brittingham and related products. There appears to be ALL kinds of opinions, topics, etc. It seems like they have made some innovative stuff. Owner has a quirky marketing gimmick, but good for him. Not much discussion (at least in this thread) on their products. This isn’t meant as a thread tangent. I’m just wanting to educate myself. Thanks.

It's hard to go wrong with any of the popular .22 cans. My nearly 10 year old SiCo Spectre II still works great and is a pretty impressive can.

I don't think Q was mentioned once the conversation switched to a 5.56 dedicated can because they don't make one. They also only make cans with direct thread mounts for tapered barrels or their own mount (no HUB). That can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on your mount preference.

For .300 BO, you have to decide if you want it for being actually quiet with subs, or a handier, shorter OAL.

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PEW Science News (news@pewscience.com) reports on supressor efficiency.

As a reminder. many search engines do not do a good job reporting gun sites. Bravo, for example, is one that does not report PEW Science, while DuckDuckGo has no problem.


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[HeavyDuty]

PEW Science News (news@pewscience.com) reports on supressor efficiency.

As a reminder. many search engines do not do a good job reporting gun sites. Bravo, for example, is one that does not report PEW Science, while DuckDuckGo has no problem.


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I just joined up for a month to see what’s behind the curtain.

[Jaywalker]

I just joined up for a month to see what’s behind the curtain.

Me, too. You get "at the ear" readings that aren't free. So far it confirms that even with the can I'll need to double up ear protection.

[Jaywalker]

Jaywalker, where in TX are you located? Capital Armory is throwing a suppressor shoot next Saturday south of Austin. I’ll be there for at least a few hours.

Can't this time, but thanks.

[Andy T]

I just kept it simple when it comes to rifle cans - Surefire. I like the looks and the fact that it was / is being used by SOCOM. It may not be the latest and greatest, but it passed the vetting process.
You can use 7.62 on 5.56, although, according to Pew science, the suppression will be a less effective.

For pistols, at the suggestion of my dealer, I got a .45 caliber can, as it will allow me to use it on anything from 9mm to .45. I got Rugged .45 and it seems OK.