Henry homesteader 9mm semi auto

[Grouse870]

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/16/shot-2023-henry-usas-new-semiauto-9mm-carbine-homesteader/amp/

This was a bit unexpected from Henry but I kinda dig it. Takes Glock mags (or 320, M&P) price isn’t bad either.

[Totem Polar]

Good looking fuddwood furniture, accurate, nice trigger, *and* can be bought in a “Glock mag” configuration? Not bad.

[JHC]

I love this! Looks so retro!

Doesn't the ghost ring seem to be occluded by the rail?

[45dotACP]

Damn, that's pretty cool actually

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[awp_101]

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[Lex Luthier]

Oh. My.

[Colt191145lover]

I am kind of concerned that I like it as much as I do.

[MandoWookie]

Its like a non-takedown Ruger PC9. Except more Fudd-ly.

[CCT125US]

I love this! Looks so retro!

Doesn't the ghost ring seem to be occluded by the rail?

I would venture a guess that the pic rail is removed in order to use irons.

[rob_s]

I admit, this is the second thread recently that I read the title and clicked on expecting to hate the gun in question, and wound up not entirely hating.

Would be interested to see how the mag changes actually work. Particularly since my use-case for something like this would be a 50-state(ish) gun with 10-round G26 mags.

[42Willys]

It’s cute. Reminds me on the automatic sporting carbines of the early 1900s.

[Screwball]

I’m interested.

I mean I have a few suppressible 9mm long guns… and that one looks cool. Plus, Glock magazines. [emoji41]

[Rick R]

I love this! Looks so retro!

Doesn't the ghost ring seem to be occluded by the rail?

I imagine the rail is dished out to allow you to use the peep. I can’t say that I like an aperture that far away from my eye, we were looking at a Chiappa (sp?) levergun set up that way at the LGS this week.

If I could put a peep in the proper position this would be a fun little carbine.

[Lester Polfus]

I showed this to my twenty something half-brother who is really into guns but is definitely into the Gun Culture 2.0/AR camp.

"It's like a Ruger PC carbine that started watching Yellowstone"

[Bigghoss]

I dig it. But I wish the mag release was behind the magwell like an AK or MP5. And why not make it able to cowitness the irons and optic?

[mtnbkr]

I like it, but I'm going to try and resist it. I don't need it and it would just be a plinker...

Chris

[rob_s]

Skip to the 0:50 mark to get past the blowhard host.

$950 MSRP, $800-850 street price.


https://youtu.be/NlZQxd83Z74

that optic, in that configuration, is sitting HIGH
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[MRW]

It is interesting. Reminds me of the old Marlin Camp Carbines that took S&W magazines.

[Suvorov]

It is interesting. Reminds me of the old Marlin Camp Carbines that took S&W magazines.

That’s exactly what I thought. The fit and finish appear quite a bit better than the Marlin did though.

[Caballoflaco]

The first thing it reminded me of was the Walmart special Crossmanl BB/pellet gun my grandfather taught me to shoot with.

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[JHC]

Blasphemer that I'm known to be, I saw Remington Model 8 hues. And I liked it.

[titsonritz]

Adapters for Glock, SIG Sauer P320 and Smith & Wesson M&P magazines is a nice touch.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AfGJZTboyA

[awp_101]

I see shades of the Winchester 1905 and maybe the CZ512.

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I've always had a soft spot for the old designs, wood and steel. I guess I've finally come back to where I started as a kid in the late 70s-early 80s.

[titsonritz]

I admit, this is the second thread recently that I read the title and clicked on expecting to hate the gun in question, and wound up not entirely hating.

Would be interested to see how the mag changes actually work. Particularly since my use-case for something like this would be a 50-state(ish) gun with 10-round G26 mags.

49 if some in NM get their way.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgiZH9seOtg

[idahojess]

I like the look and the top-tang safety.

Cool gun.

[Tackleberry40sw]

It’s cute. Reminds me on the automatic sporting carbines of the early 1900s.

Old World Esthetic with modern reliability and performance and it takes Glock mags.

[Joe in PNG]

Honey, I Shrunk the BAR!

[Rick R]

I dig it. But I wish the mag release was behind the magwell like an AK or MP5. And why not make it able to cowitness the irons and optic?

I’ve decided. I would have been interested if the aperture was on the rear of the receiver and the Pict rail was on the barrel to allow it to somewhat co-witness. After watching the video I retract thinking you can see the peep down the gully of the current rail. It’s like someone at Henry looked at Ruger’s PCC and said “Ruger put the sight on the barrel so we need to” without understanding that it’s there due to the take down feature.


49 if some in NM get their way.

According to the Henry rep on the TFB video Henry makes their own 5 and 10 round magazines. Maybe they’ll make a New Mexico 9 rounder. 5 rounds of 9mm in a $900 rifle is a lot of “Meh!”

[GJM]

Blow back or gas operated?

[zaitcev]

I know you some of you guys will want a Beretta 92 magazine adapter for this Henry, won't you? Fortunately Homesteader comes with a P320 and M&P adapters from the factory, so it should not take insane contortions like the one in Ruger PC. I think I can justify a business expense of buying one, purely for the R&D purposes!

[Suvorov]

Blow back or gas operated?

Blow back.

[ECVMatt]

It has already been mentioned, but it reminds me of the Winchester 1907 Police Rifle....

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I have always wanted one of these, but the magazines and ammo scared me away.

This just might scratch the itch.

[Bigghoss]

I’ve decided. I would have been interested if the aperture was on the rear of the receiver and the Pict rail was on the barrel to allow it to somewhat co-witness. After watching the video I retract thinking you can see the peep down the gully of the current rail. It’s like someone at Henry looked at Ruger’s PCC and said “Ruger put the sight on the barrel so we need to” without understanding that it’s there due to the take down feature.

I don't understand how these gun companies manage to miss the mark like this. I would have told them how to make it in exchange for a free one.

[Totem Polar]

Man, this thing and a 10/22 is all you need to introduce new shooters to the red pill. Kudos to Henry—assuming it runs—this is very cool.

[shootist26]

I like it and I'd buy it

[fly out]

I know you some of you guys will want a Beretta 92 magazine adapter for this Henry, won't you? Fortunately Homesteader comes with a P320 and M&P adapters from the factory, so it should not take insane contortions like the one in Ruger PC. I think I can justify a business expense of buying one, purely for the R&D purposes!

I don't need one, but, when has that been a factor? Kinda cool? I would only buy one if Beretta 92 mags were on the table.

[zaitcev]

I don't understand how these gun companies manage to miss the mark like this. I would have told them how to make it in exchange for a free one.

I suspect that the decision to locate the ghost ring on the barrel was in large part was driven by the aesthetics, rather than an attempt to placate people who think they could win Camp Perry. Just remember that Henry rolled out of the gate with wood furniture.

Look where the sights are on these guns, including the wrist aperture on the WInchester:

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Also, keep in mind that Henry came out the gate with the rail optional. There's no place on the receiver to mount the rear sight.

Guns that do have a permanent rail at times come out with a mechanical sight that sits on the rail. KelTec SU16 is one.

[BillSWPA]

Man, this thing and a 10/22 is all you need to introduce new shooters to the red pill. Kudos to Henry—assuming it runs—this is very cool.

Introducing new shooters to the red pill may be one of the most important things we do. I am all for whatever makes that easiest.

[Duelist]

I admit, this is the second thread recently that I read the title and clicked on expecting to hate the gun in question, and wound up not entirely hating.

Would be interested to see how the mag changes actually work. Particularly since my use-case for something like this would be a 50-state(ish) gun with 10-round G26 mags.
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Interesting placement. I’m trying to envision how that will actually work: push it forward to pull the magazine catch out of the magazine body notches?

[mrozowjj]

I really want to like this, a non-take down Ruger PCC seems like a win but the mag release placement is... unfourtinate.

I don't even mind that it would be a pain to co-witness because there's like half a dozen different low profile red dot mounts for henry rifles... but that magazine release is rough to deal with.

[hufnagel]

Mid-placement of the rear peep like that is perfect IMHO. Some of y'all clearly ain't -3.25 before correction in their dominant eye. AKA some of us now on the downward slope towards Old Fart status, with the eyesight to match, appreciate the rear being where it is. Maybe it ain't ideal for shooting the ass hairs off a squirrel at 100 yards, but it's sure a lot better then NOT being able to see the rear sight at all!

My ARs are set up similarly; rear sight is forward of the optic, otherwise is completely disappears if it's closer to me.

[JHC]

Mid-placement of the rear peep like that is perfect IMHO. Some of y'all clearly ain't -3.25 before correction in their dominant eye. AKA some of us now on the downward slope towards Old Fart status, with the eyesight to match, appreciate the rear being where it is. Maybe it ain't ideal for shooting the ass hairs off a squirrel at 100 yards, but it's sure a lot better then NOT being able to see the rear sight at all!

My ARs are set up similarly; rear sight is forward of the optic, otherwise is completely disappears if it's closer to me.

Valid point. I'm in that category. Some years ago Skinner Sights offered a simple peep to use the existing dovetail on older Win 94s, one of which I had. It was then mid placed and I shot fine with it out to my purpose of deer to 100 yds. I can't find that sight on Skinner's site anymore.

[SCCY Marshal]

I dig it. But I wish the mag release was behind the magwell like an AK or MP5. And why not make it able to cowitness the irons and optic?

The irons stay nice and low, this way. Why deal with optic-level sight offsets at bunny ranges if you don't have to?


...Henry makes their own 5 and 10 round magazines. Maybe they’ll make a New Mexico 9 rounder. 5 rounds of 9mm in a $900 rifle is a lot of “Meh!”

Unless you live in a state that limits magazine fed semi-autos to five round capacity in their hunting regulations.


I dig it. But I wish the mag release was behind the magwell like an AK or MP5

I like it being completely guarded. You're in snow up to your crotch despite snowshoes as you work your way through bramble and spruce up the side of a ridge in pursuit of varying hare. The dog is impatient and you haven't had lunch yet. After hearing the gentle pop of your bumped magazine relese dropping the mag under a fathom of January powder, you grit your teeth as you bite off your glove and plunge your arm in the hole.

At least you noticed on the spot, this time. Not two miles after the loss like the last one.

[cosermann]

Bonus points for the threaded muzzle.

[Rick R]

Unless you live in a state that limits magazine fed semi-autos to five round capacity in their hunting regulations.


To tell the truth I didn’t even consider intentionally hunting with a PCC. Rabbits are pretty much an extinct species here and I haven’t squirrel hunted in years. Plus I can use a 50 round drum under our game laws.

At 64 I can use a receiver mounted aperture sight, something mounted half way down the barrel becomes a mystery unless it’s an optic. FWIW An aperture near your eye should disappear when you’re looking through it and not limit your field of view, all the middle of the barrel peeps just look like a clump of metal to me.

I’m agnostic about the mag release as long as it’s not prone to dumping mags unexpectedly.

[gato naranja]

At 64 I can use a receiver mounted aperture sight, something mounted half way down the barrel becomes a mystery unless it’s an optic. FWIW An aperture near your eye should disappear when you’re looking through it and not limit your field of view, all the middle of the barrel peeps just look like a clump of metal to me.

I have a few years on you, and my days of "any old sight will do" are well in the past.

I can use a barrel mounted rear sight if it is something fairly broad and not too fine; think trad shallow "V" express-type rifle sights and similar. Aperture rear sights that are more than about 5 inches or so from my eye will not work for me without a serious amount of struggling.

This Henry Homesteader would require some change for me to use comfortably or quickly with iron sights. The front sight looks like a one-piece ramp/blade, so that tells me "it is what it is" as far as the front is concerned; the rear looks like an XS Express ghost ring rear, and I am not aware of an replacement "insert" that converts one of these to a shallow "V", a "U" or even a square notch. Yes, I could use this combo in a pinch, but it wouldn't be pretty and I would run my expletive tank dry.

OTOH, a red dot or compact low-power scope would make the irons moot except if the optic fails.

[jlw]

I want to be excited, but I look at the LOP of that stock and sigh.

[MichaelD]

Adapters for Glock, SIG Sauer P320 and Smith & Wesson M&P magazines is a nice touch.

I was interested when I saw it could take Glock mags, but the M&P mag capability has me sold. I don't need more guns, but...

[paherne]

I want to be excited, but I look at the LOP of that stock and sigh.

Shotgunners will look at that LOP and the tang safety and salivate. I'm guessing this isn't being marketed to guys like you and me who square up because we're so used to wearing body armor...

[jlw]

Shotgunners will look at that LOP and the tang safety and salivate. I'm guessing this isn't being marketed to guys like you and me who square up because we're so used to wearing body armor...

...and doesn't take into account small framed shooters like women and teenagers.

[paherne]

...and doesn't take into account small framed shooters like women and teenagers.

That's true, but there's always the saw and grinder option. I wonder if it takes the same stocks as any other Henry products and if there are youth stocks available?

[Bigghoss]

The irons stay nice and low, this way. Why deal with optic-level sight offsets at bunny ranges if you don't have to?

I like it being completely guarded. You're in snow up to your crotch despite snowshoes as you work your way through bramble and spruce up the side of a ridge in pursuit of varying hare. The dog is impatient and you haven't had lunch yet. After hearing the gentle pop of your bumped magazine relese dropping the mag under a fathom of January powder, you grit your teeth as you bite off your glove and plunge your arm in the hole.

At least you noticed on the spot, this time. Not two miles after the loss like the last one.

I don't plan on using it for hunting.

[feudist]

Mid-placement of the rear peep like that is perfect IMHO. Some of y'all clearly ain't -3.25 before correction in their dominant eye. AKA some of us now on the downward slope towards Old Fart status, with the eyesight to match, appreciate the rear being where it is. Maybe it ain't ideal for shooting the ass hairs off a squirrel at 100 yards, but it's sure a lot better then NOT being able to see the rear sight at all!

My ARs are set up similarly; rear sight is forward of the optic, otherwise is completely disappears if it's closer to me.

Huh. Never even considered that.
The last time I tried a mid mount peep was on an AK back when I had 20/20 vision and didn't care for it.
I'll give that a try.

[rob_s]

I want to be excited, but I look at the LOP of that stock and sigh.


...and doesn't take into account small framed shooters like women and teenagers.


That's true, but there's always the saw and grinder option. I wonder if it takes the same stocks as any other Henry products and if there are youth stocks available?

Yep, my first thought was "at least it's made of wood".

[zaitcev]

but that magazine release is rough to deal with.

The aftermarket industry will provide paddles that stick out.

[zaitcev]

My ARs are set up similarly; rear sight is forward of the optic, otherwise is completely disappears if it's closer to me.
I'm having trouble seeing the ghost ring on Ruger PCC, but I thought it was because the ring was too thin. If it were a little wider, I could deal better with it. I never considered making a replacement, because everyone use an optic anyway.

[mrozowjj]

The aftermarket industry will provide paddles that stick out.

It's more the placement of the magazine release. A button on the side would be much better than a paddle/lever whatever it is in front of the magazine.

[zaitcev]

It's more the placement of the magazine release. A button on the side would be much better than a paddle/lever whatever it is in front of the magazine.
You are right of course. But a paddle would allow us to make the best out of this location.

Actually, I'm thinking about offering a side release, in the fashion of offerings for Ruger PC by Jawbone Tactical and the like. I don't know how feasible it is without throwing it together in CAD, and I need Homesteader in hand for it. Also, it may ruin the clean lines of Henry's design. But there's a hope.

How about something like this:

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Obviously not an AR-15 release but you may be able to use your trigger finger. It's a stirrup that goes around the magazine like on 1911.

[gato naranja]

Mid-placement of the rear peep like that is perfect IMHO. Some of y'all clearly ain't -3.25 before correction in their dominant eye. AKA some of us now on the downward slope towards Old Fart status, with the eyesight to match, appreciate the rear being where it is. Maybe it ain't ideal for shooting the ass hairs off a squirrel at 100 yards, but it's sure a lot better then NOT being able to see the rear sight at all!

My ARs are set up similarly; rear sight is forward of the optic, otherwise is completely disappears if it's closer to me.

If you can use an aperture sight that far forward, you are doing better than I am.

Before I became a coot myself, two different old guys - I am now older than they were at the time - explained to me why they had flipped their rifles' rear sights around lengthwise so that the standing semi-buckhorn leaf was closer to the front sight. In both cases, they said it was an old trick that people "used to do" to see the rear sight better.

Having read my Gen. Hatcher as a kid, I knew about the sight radius thing regarding pistols and eyes that weren't so good, but I had never heard of such a thing on a rifle outside of some original muzzleloaders that had perplexed me at the time.

[mrozowjj]

You are right of course. But a paddle would allow us to make the best out of this location.

Actually, I'm thinking about offering a side release, in the fashion of offerings for Ruger PC by Jawbone Tactical and the like. I don't know how feasible it is without throwing it together in CAD, and I need Homesteader in hand for it. Also, it may ruin the clean lines of Henry's design. But there's a hope.

How about something like this:

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Obviously not an AR-15 release but you may be able to use your trigger finger. It's a stirrup that goes around the magazine like on 1911.

It can be corrected I suppose but I still think it's kind of silly that a from the ground up orgional design being released in 2023 requires the aftermarket to fix it before it's even been released. The product manager knew enough to make it use Glock, Sig, S&W mags but didn't think people would have issue with a magazine release in that position? They engineered some weird linkage to make that front paddle work when they could have instead spent time engineering some kind of linkage that made the mag release closer to the rear of the receiver or just did the simpler thing and put a mag button behind the mag somwhere oon the lower portion of the receiver.

[BillSWPA]

Why do we need to see a rear aperture sight at all? Aren’t we simply looking through it, relying on our eye’s ability to find the center?

[hufnagel]

https://i.imgur.com/Ds5AhO0.jpg

you can (barely) see that the rear sight is in front of the optic. it'll clear the optic when the front cover is flipped open. the other curious thing... it's almost exactly the same distance from my eyes as the rear sight on any of my pistols when held at full extension.

[MandoWookie]

It can be corrected I suppose but I still think it's kind of silly that a from the ground up orgional design being released in 2023 requires the aftermarket to fix it before it's even been released. The product manager knew enough to make it use Glock, Sig, S&W mags but didn't think people would have issue with a magazine release in that position? They engineered some weird linkage to make that front paddle work when they could have instead spent time engineering some kind of linkage that made the mag release closer to the rear of the receiver or just did the simpler thing and put a mag button behind the mag somwhere oon the lower portion of the receiver.

Why is a paddle in the rear, or a button on the side superior? Do you know the usage that was intended when designing it? The current placement is ambidextrous, shielded and very difficult to inadvertently activate.
Also, so far all I have seen presented is the proprietary mag version.
How do you know it has a strange linkage to drop the mag?
It could lock into the front of the mag, thereby making its current location the simplest.
Though the mags look like they have a notch on the side, so it could very well be a simple swinging bar that extends back, or a pair that clamp on either side into two notches, where the button could just be a wedge that pivots them both outwards.

Edit to add: I should also note that the placement is also common on many hunting rifles that have detachable magazines.
The factory proprietary mags are stated as 5 and 10 round. Low profile.
It might be awkward to use with longer Glock mags, but I don't think that was the main design consideration, just an option for those that wanted it.

[D-der]

I might need one of these...
Anxious to see how they do on paper at 25-50+yds

[Rick R]

Oleg Volk posted photos of a Homesteader on FB, I asked and he says that the peep can be moved to the receiver but needs a taller front sight that he’s trying to source.

[zaitcev]

Edit to add: I should also note that the placement is also common on many hunting rifles that have detachable magazines.
Yes, and it's awful. I have a Browning BLR with a release like that. I can see arguments being made about its safety from an inadvertent release. but those only work because the users are not supposed to swap mags all that often or quickly. But it's a terrible idea on a PCC.

[Stephanie B]

For those of us who live in states which ban some rifles based on cosmetics, this looks pretty attractive.

[JHC]

Yes, and it's awful. I have a Browning BLR with a release like that. I can see arguments being made about its safety from an inadvertent release. but those only work because the users are not supposed to swap mags all that often or quickly. But it's a terrible idea on a PCC.

But why would speedy mag changes be more necessary on a general utility carbine than on our EDC pistols which is known to be practically never in the wild? Is it the idea this will be a PCC for the PCC competition games?

[Glenn E. Meyer]

For those of us who live in states which ban some rifles based on cosmetics, this looks pretty attractive.

Interesting gun choice point, IMHO. If states keep passing AWBs with the cosmetic rules (and Scotus does NADA despite the high hopes), retro appearing guns and lever actions (like the AR ish lever 223s) might become popular. Certainly the Ruger PCC is popular here in its compliant configuration. It's a good USPSA, Steel gun for those who don't want to deal with Frankenstein AR put together in 9mm. They were even popular in TX IDPA.

Ruger might make one in wood and non-breakdown. It would be attractive to me, just because.

[gato naranja]

Oleg Volk posted photos of a Homesteader on FB, I asked and he says that the peep can be moved to the receiver but needs a taller front sight that he’s trying to source.

Now I am wondering if the same front sight that XS includes in their sight set for Henry "X Model" leverguns will fit these as well?

[Rick R]

Now I am wondering if the same front sight that XS includes in their sight set for Henry "X Model" leverguns will fit these as well?

I’m hoping that Henry has one of these at the GAOS in Harrisburg PA next month. I’m curious enough to give it a good looking over, though luckily there are no gun sales at the show.

[zaitcev]

Henry posted a few more photos, including those with the Glock and M&P magwells, which were not available at SHOT Show. Unlike Ruger PCC, the release mechanism is a part of the magwell. So, only Henry's own magazine releases at the front center like a hunting rifle. Glock and M&P release from the side.

I have to say, it's an interesting design. It may open a way to, for example, MP5 magwell, which is plain impossible on Ruger.

[Bigghoss]

Henry posted a few more photos, including those with the Glock and M&P magwells, which were not available at SHOT Show. Unlike Ruger PCC, the release mechanism is a part of the magwell. So, only Henry's own magazine releases at the front center like a hunting rifle. Glock and M&P release from the side.

Found these on their website. I still would have preferred a rear paddle release but this still seems like an improvement. It looks about the same place as my Ruger PCC

https://www.henryusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/H027_Hero_3.jpg
https://www.henryusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/H027_Hero_4.jpg

[MandoWookie]

Found these on their website. I still would have preferred a rear paddle release but this still seems like an improvement. It looks about the same place as my Ruger PCC

https://www.henryusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/H027_Hero_3.jpg
https://www.henryusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/H027_Hero_4.jpg

That looks like exactly what I've been waiting for Ruger to do with their carbine.

And it also confirms my thought on the design of the proprietary mag version.
It was deliberately designed for low profile and prioritizing mag retention, with lower capacity magazines.

If you want a race gun, get the Glock/Sig pattern guns.

[rob_s]

Found these on their website. I still would have preferred a rear paddle release but this still seems like an improvement. It looks about the same place as my Ruger PCC

https://www.henryusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/H027_Hero_3.jpg
https://www.henryusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/H027_Hero_4.jpg

I’m assuming the reach is too far to get that button with the trigger finger. Is the button ambi? Reach up with left hand and hit button on opposite side with thumb, strip mag, retrieve and insert fresh mag?

[gato naranja]

Henry posted a few more photos, including those with the Glock and M&P magwells, which were not available at SHOT Show. Unlike Ruger PCC, the release mechanism is a part of the magwell. So, only Henry's own magazine releases at the front center like a hunting rifle. Glock and M&P release from the side.

I have to say, it's an interesting design. It may open a way to, for example, MP5 magwell, which is plain impossible on Ruger.

I'm neither a Henry hater nor a Henry fan, but I am actually impressed by this "variable magwell" setup. Either there is someone at Henry who is clever, or there is someone at Henry who listens to someone who is clever.

The civilian 9mm semiauto carbine journey has been a slow, tortuous thing, and - government regulations aside - I can not understand why so many lackluster examples have come and gone.

[Joe45]

The first thing it reminded me of was the Walmart special Crossmanl BB/pellet gun my grandfather taught me to shoot with.

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[BobM]

Being able to use my supply of M&P9 magazines makes this a lot more interesting to me.

[Bigghoss]

I’m assuming the reach is too far to get that button with the trigger finger. Is the button ambi? Reach up with left hand and hit button on opposite side with thumb, strip mag, retrieve and insert fresh mag?

I'm assuming the button is ambi/reversible. The pistols that take those mags have reversible mag releases so if those buttons aren't at least swapable then I will go back to being disappointed.

[secondstoryguy]

Man, I dig it. Looks like the old Remington 85s that law enfocment used to use back in the day. Henry's QC is usually pretty damn good too...better than Ruger from what I've seen.

[Rick R]

I’m hoping that Henry has one of these at the GAOS in Harrisburg PA next month. I’m curious enough to give it a good looking over, though luckily there are no gun sales at the show.

Henry did indeed have two Homesteader rifles at the show in Harrisburg.

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Crappy Iphone pic with weird lighting while the Henry rep was talking to me.

My takeaway was it’s a handy feeling little carbine and the mid-barrel aperture is more useful than I imagined it would be. The rep also stated that the peep sights designed for a Henry levergun would work in more conventional placement. The safety felt positive and ergonomic, the trigger pull is Marlin semiauto like.

The OEM magazine setup seems pretty easy to get used to and positively retains the mag. The Glock adapter has a button on the left side of the rifle, I didn’t ask if it is reversible. If you have fingers long enough to reach the button from a firing grip you are eligible to be a hand model in a B grade horror movie. It’s easy to grab the mag body and hit the button with your thumb, it probably wouldn’t take poker dealer dexterity to hold a loaded magazine, release the spent mag, insert the loaded mag and drop the bolt.

I sent the attached photo to my wife, “Oh! That’s cute!”.

[Navin Johnson]

Big ass recoil pad?

[Rick R]

Big ass recoil pad?

LoL! The recoil pad is almost exactly the same size as the one on my Italian 12ga O/U, probably excessive for a 9mm but pretty comfy for new shooters.

[Erick Gelhaus]

For those who've handled it and a Ruger PCC, how is the LOP?

[awp_101]

Henry did indeed have two Homesteader rifles at the show in Harrisburg.

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What was the ballpark asking price? A quick check of GB or Guns International (I forget which) turned up only one and it had a $1300 asking price. If that's the normal price and not the "gotta be the first kid on your block to have one" tariff, I'll stick with my Ruger.

[Erick Gelhaus]

If these guys did an after-market forearm, would that cover it?

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[Rick R]

What was the ballpark asking price? A quick check of GB or Guns International (I forget which) turned up only one and it had a $1300 asking price. If that's the normal price and not the "gotta be the first kid on your block to have one" tariff, I'll stick with my Ruger.

I believe the Henry rep said MSRP was a bit over $1,000 but street price would probably end up under $900. Also, he said some Henry employees have been T&Eing a couple of these with Magpul 9mm drum mags and haven’t managed to break one yet.

[awp_101]

Thanks, that matches what I thought I remembered reading when they were announced.

[Rick R]

For those who've handled it and a Ruger PCC, how is the LOP?



If these guys did an after-market forearm, would that cover it?


Overall the gun feels more svelte than the Ruger PCC, however the LOP is 1960’s length and the fore end is a tad “chonky”.
The wood stock could probably be shortened to more modern dimensions, I don’t know if the custom stock guys can do much with the fore end as part of the recoil spring mechanism is tucked in under there.

[willie]

I can't imagine spending $1000 plus out the door for anybody's 9mm carbine. Ruger has the bugs out of theirs, and my circle of friends hits beer cans at 100 yards with them. A 9mm on the AR platform makes more sense if I must pay premium prices. I like Henry products too and have owed a several of their lever centerfire rifles. Each required a trip back to fix something that escaped QC. Henry paid both ways and provided prompt, competent service.

[zaitcev]

I believe the Henry rep said MSRP was a bit over $1,000 but street price would probably end up under $900.
Remarkably enough, I saw a plain H0027-H9 with "buy now" of $832 at Gunbroker. Of course that is with Henry magazines.

[Hambo]

I got to handle (but not shoot) one, and it's on the need to acquire list.

[mrozowjj]

Remarkably enough, I saw a plain H0027-H9 with "buy now" of $832 at Gunbroker. Of course that is with Henry magazines.

I've seen a few of the online drop shippers selling them for $800 already. I very much want to try shooting one before buying anything but if it ends up being reliable this has some appeal to me.

[Phaedrus]

Kinda interesting carbine but the comb looks too low to use the optic comfortably. I suspect nearly everyone will use an optic of some kind so this seems like a big omission to me.

[Redhat]

Kinda interesting carbine but the comb looks too low to use the optic comfortably. I suspect nearly everyone will use an optic of some kind so this seems like a big omission to me.

I would say that's true of most basic hunting rifles I've tried as well. I pretty much always have to build up the stock to get the cheek weld where I like it when shooting through a scope.

[JimLob65]

I picked one up today in mid-Michigan for $820, a Henry only magazine model. Was told they received a dozen about 5 days before, half of them Glock mag models. Those sold out almost immediately. Mine was the last one other than the display model, so they have been jumping off the shelves.

It is very solid with nice wood and stippling. Nicely balanced with a positive safety and mag release. Trigger is as expected, moderate creep with a weight about 5lbs 10oz. I like the sights more than I expected, so I am not sure if I will mount anything on it. Haven’t shot it yet, expect to shoot it in the next several days.

[Grouse870]

http://skinnersights.com/henry-homesteader.html
Skinner sights now has a model for the Henry

[Redhat]

http://skinnersights.com/henry-homesteader.html
Skinner sights now has a model for the Henry

Now if someone like Magpul comes out with a stock/forearm offering...

Out of the current competitors, I've narrowed it down to the Ruger PC and this one.

[oss117]

I know you some of you guys will want a Beretta 92 magazine adapter for this Henry, won't you? Fortunately Homesteader comes with a P320 and M&P adapters from the factory, so it should not take insane contortions like the one in Ruger PC. I think I can justify a business expense of buying one, purely for the R&D purposes!

Yes, please.

[TangoHotel]

For those of us who live in states which ban some rifles based on cosmetics, this looks pretty attractive.

Yes, except the threaded barrel alone makes it an "assault weapon" in IL. I'd be shocked if a non-threaded option didn't come out down the road but I'm surprised the non-threaded wasn't their initial release.

[JimLob65]

Took my new Homesteader to the range today. Very fun, soft and smooth shooter, much more so than my recollections of my Dads old Marlin Camp 9. Took a bit of time and effort to get the sights dialed in, mainly because I didn’t take the time to figure out how to do it before hand. Very easy and effective once you get the hang of it. I did better with the sights than I originally expected that I might seeing as I am 57 and the eyes aren’t what they once were. Trigger was pretty good as were the sights, certainly good enough for a pinker. I may put a Skinner receiver peep on at some point in the future but the supplied sights worked pretty well even with the barrel mounted peep resulting in a short sight radius. Had one fail to feed which finally fed with a yank or two of the bolt handle. It seemed the round was in a good position to feed but it was hung up just as it was entering the feed ramp. Ejected empties with authority and fed every other round perfectly (was shooting a box of cheap Winchester 115 gr ammo which was quite dirty). Overall I really think this will end up being a fun pinker to shoot.

[zaitcev]

VSO posted a video with a bit of a better look at the internals, for those who are curious about the activation bars routed into the handguard and a bit more view into the replaceable magwells.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwr16cprOjM

[awp_101]

VSO posted a video with a bit of a better look at the internals, for those who are curious about the activation bars routed into the handguard and a bit more view into the replaceable magwells.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwr16cprOjM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwr16cprOjM&ab_channel=TheVSOGunChannel

[mrozowjj]

It's cool how the system in front works. I have no idea why it's doing that but it's cool.

I wonder if someone makes a direct mount for an Aimpoint Micro footprint optic.

[G19Fan]

I would say that's true of most basic hunting rifles I've tried as well. I pretty much always have to build up the stock to get the cheek weld where I like it when shooting through a scope.

I may be the only person to treat them like an ar with high optics and chin weld

[757_Magnum]

Nelson Precision has been posting images and video of their picatinny top rail and MLOK handguard on IG.

[OlongJohnson]

I wonder if someone makes a direct mount for an Aimpoint Micro footprint optic.

The pattern looks like it may match a Marlin. Henry's single-shots use the same rails and mounts as H&R single-shots, supporting adoption by the existing single-shot user base. Would be surprising if they didn't do something similar to capture demand from Marlin 1894 users.

/speculation

This is definitely on the interesting list. Would slot nicely between the BAR MkIII DBM and the CZ 512.

[Chuck Whitlock]

https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/homesteader-9mm/

I don't think that it has been specifically mentioned here, but the website now shows that the S&W magwell also takes Sig P320 magazines. this is interesting to me, as I have/use a P250c.

[zaitcev]

I don't think that it has been specifically mentioned here, but the website now shows that the S&W magwell also takes Sig P320 magazines. this is interesting to me, as I have/use a P250c.

I had a customer for the P320 magwells for Ruger PC Carbine, who asked for compatibility with P250. I only saw that gun once, at a gun show, maybe 20 years ago. Fortunately he was in town and I drove to his house to make sure they fit.

If I had original P250 magazines, I'd keep them in reserve, in case my surviving kin had to auction my guns :-)

[idahojess]

http://youtu.be/tLomawOk22g

Yikes.

[Chuck Whitlock]

I had a customer for the P320 magwells for Ruger PC Carbine, who asked for compatibility with P250. I only saw that gun once, at a gun show, maybe 20 years ago. Fortunately he was in town and I drove to his house to make sure they fit.

If I had original P250 magazines, I'd keep them in reserve, in case my surviving kin had to auction my guns :-)

The P320 uses the same magazines, grip modules, and barrels as the P250....basically just about every part that was not necessary to change up to make the gun DAO > SFA. The P250 rear sight is unique in that it is also the firing pin stop.

[rob_s]

http://youtu.be/tLomawOk22g

Yikes.

To sum up for others, pretty much constant failures to eject, resulting in pretty gangly stuck cases.

Hopefully he does a follow up

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[zaitcev]

First, the bad news. You guys may know already that Ruger PCC has the magwell adapter that is too constrained for anything but a pistol magazine. Henry made a far more generous magwell, and their proprietary magazine is upright. So I hoped for an SMG magazine such as MP5 or CZ Scorpion. Well, no such luck. The underside of the bolt conflicts with a wide, dual feed magazine. The only thing that anyone can count on is STEN magazine (and I'm not doing that).

The good news is, the design of the platform is sound overall. I had my doubts about the mating of action bars to the bolt, but in the event it looked okay. You need to watch out for the wear though, and lubricate the rails on the aluminum receiver.

The FCG is a medley of AK family design. Very simple and robust, although the overlap in the transition from the disconnector to the sear is tiiiiiny. Can't wait to hear if it goes binary on people down the road or not. Safety blocks the trigger. Because of that, you cannot charge the gun while on safe. Not my preferred design, but AK works the same way, and millions of them were made.

Like on the Ruger, the administrative bolt hold is separate from LRBHO. I don't know why gun designers choose that either. Surely there's a reason.

Finally, one extremely strange feature is the charging handle slot: it is too long by about 8 mm. The extra length is not used when shooting or disassembling the gun. AND, it is exactly the size of the hole behind the bolt. If they made the slot just a little shorter, they would eliminate the opening for the dirt to get in. Why is the slot this long? A mystery!

[gato naranja]

The good news is, the design of the platform is sound overall. I had my doubts about the mating of action bars to the bolt, but in the event it looked okay. You need to watch out for the wear though, and lubricate the rails on the aluminum receiver.

The FCG is a medley of AK family design. Very simple and robust, although the overlap in the transition from the disconnector to the sear is tiiiiiny. Can't wait to hear if it goes binary on people down the road or not. Safety blocks the trigger. Because of that, you cannot charge the gun while on safe. Not my preferred design, but AK works the same way, and millions of them were made.

Like on the Ruger, the administrative bolt hold is separate from LRBHO. I don't know why gun designers choose that either. Surely there's a reason.

Finally, one extremely strange feature is the charging handle slot: it is too long by about 8 mm. The extra length is not used when shooting or disassembling the gun. AND, it is exactly the size of the hole behind the bolt. If they made the slot just a little shorter, they would eliminate the opening for the dirt to get in. Why is the slot this long? A mystery!

I have been piecing together the function of this carbine from arm's length, and the more I dig, the less enthusiastic I am. I wish it were otherwise, but so far it seems like - and I emphasize that this is only MHO - just another 9x19 carbine... with a clever idea here but a counterbalancing WTF idea there until it is just a more traditionalist's alternative to a Ruger PC or a Beretta CX4, not a slam-dunk game changer.

Too bad there was never a Ruger Deerfield in 9x19 or .357 Magnum.

[MandoWookie]

I have been piecing together the function of this carbine from arm's length, and the more I dig, the less enthusiastic I am. I wish it were otherwise, but so far it seems like - and I emphasize that this is only MHO - just another 9x19 carbine... with a clever idea here but a counterbalancing WTF idea there until it is just a more traditionalist's alternative to a Ruger PC or a Beretta CX4, not a slam-dunk game changer.

Too bad there was never a Ruger Deerfield in 9x19 or .357 Magnum.

Wait. Why would think it was ever anything but a traditionalists PCC?

When has Henry ever done anything ' game changing'? They make lever 22s, copies of the Marlin lever action(and it took how long to even have side gates) single shots, and a copy of a takedown survival rifle.
Everything is a copy of something else.
And now a generic revolver.

Their market isn't competitors, LE, military, or even the average gun owner.

It's hobbyists who like a retro aesthetic but aren't concerned with actual reproductions.

[HCM]

I had a customer for the P320 magwells for Ruger PC Carbine, who asked for compatibility with P250. I only saw that gun once, at a gun show, maybe 20 years ago. Fortunately he was in town and I drove to his house to make sure they fit.

If I had original P250 magazines, I'd keep them in reserve, in case my surviving kin had to auction my guns :-)


The P320 uses the same magazines, grip modules, and barrels as the P250....basically just about every part that was not necessary to change up to make the gun DAO > SFA. The P250 rear sight is unique in that it is also the firing pin stop.

Early P320 mags are interchangeable with P250 mags and both can be upgraded to current 320 configuration by swapping the base plates. The mag body etc is all the same, or at least compatible.

[Chuck Whitlock]

Early P320 mags are interchangeable with P250 mags and both can be upgraded to current 320 configuration by swapping the base plates. The mag body etc is all the same, or at least compatible.

Thanks for that clarification. Yes, I had to install the new style base plates when I got the Wilson grip modules.

IIRC, I got them from Wilson.

https://shopwilsoncombat.com/BASE-PAD-SIG-SAUER-P320_P250-BLACK/productinfo/NW736/

[gato naranja]

Their market isn't competitors, LE, military, or even the average gun owner. It's hobbyists who like a retro aesthetic but aren't concerned with actual reproduction

That is probably pretty accurate.

Personally, I couldn't have cared less what it looked like (up to a point), but the replaceable magazine module was intriguing and I followed the news - so to speak - until it became clear that it wasn't what I have been looking for.

[zaitcev]

One more funny tidbit. Before I disassembled the Henry, I've read the manual, but perhaps I didn't comprehend it properly. So I started by pushing the magwell pin, then the next one and finally the last one by the stock. I was sitting at my desk at the time, and unfortunately I don't remember exactly how I was holding it, but the rifle exploded. Parts flew left and right, and the barrel with the receiver made a whirl and landed on a steel leg of my desk, gouging the receiver straight through the anodizing. Parts were not spring-loaded! Perhaps I tried too hard and was awkward. From then on, I kept a solid grip with one hand by the receiver and other hand by the stock, and nothing like that happened again. What the heck was that :-)

P.S. I disassembled it for tinkering. Here's a preview:

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[JHC]

To sum up for others, pretty much constant failures to eject, resulting in pretty gangly stuck cases.

Hopefully he does a follow up



Buzz kill.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKILLjMFjOI

[PTSDog]

I still want one! RUSA has them for $835, and thinking of getting one over the Ruger PCC MagPul Backpacker going crazy and going with the M&P or 320 mags! Wild man!

[zaitcev]

I still want one! RUSA has them for $835, and thinking of getting one over the Ruger PCC MagPul Backpacker going crazy and going with the M&P or 320 mags! Wild man!
I'm pretty sure the joint magwell for M&P and P320 in Homesteader is canceled at this point, or at least suspended. You will not be able to buy it.

[zaitcev]

\You guys may know already that Ruger PCC has the magwell adapter that is too constrained for anything but a pistol magazine. Henry made a far more generous magwell, and their proprietary magazine is upright. So I hoped for an SMG magazine such as MP5 or CZ Scorpion. Well, no such luck. The underside of the bolt conflicts with a wide, dual feed magazine. The only thing that anyone can count on is STEN magazine (and I'm not doing that).

I may need to roll back that statement (the forum does not allow to edit). I'm going to experiment properly and report here.

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[zaitcev]

Looks like I'm the only who ever replies to this thread. Probably need to dial it down? But before that, here's an update:

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I'm very pleased with how it's coming along. However, the cost is going to be astronomical :p. I thought that Henry deserved better than just 3D printing, so the body is made from Nylon using a bake process. All the steel parts are stainless. Also, Ruger magwell has zero springs, and this one has 3 (three).

[MolonLabe416]

Pls continue to chronicle the work here. I appreciate you taking the time to share.

[JimLob65]

Pls continue to chronicle the work here. I appreciate you taking the time to share.

+1

[jh9]

Looks like I'm the only who ever replies to this thread.

Now that some time has passed what are you thoughts on the homesteader overall?

[zaitcev]

Now that some time has passed what are you thoughts on the homesteader overall?

Unfortunately, I barely know anything. I am a poor shooter, and the gun is primarily a test mule. I only ever shot it with Beretta magazines.

The recoil seems a little heavier than in my Ruger PC carbine. Sights are about the same - on both of them I can barely discern the ghost ring. Accuracy is okay for a 9mm PCC without optics.

One somewhat annoying thing about Homesteader is related to the use of fire control group borrowed from AK: bolt cannot be retracted fully when safety is on. I bet a few people think that they cannot retract AK bolt because the dust cover is in the way. But actually, you still would not be able to rack AK on safe even if you ripped off the dust cover and switched safety with pliers.

Overall, I think Homesteader delivers exactly what it promises. It's pretty and mostly works.

[zaitcev]

So, here it is: the production samples ("dash 18"). The sharp eyed would probably notice certain differences with the previous photo. But basically it's just material removal pockets that reduce warping, and other minor changes having to do with manufacturing.

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[Joe in PNG]

I may need to roll back that statement (the forum does not allow to edit). I'm going to experiment properly and report here.

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Hoping for some good news on that one.

[zaitcev]

Hoping for some good news on that one.
Sadly, we found that it's essentially impossible to use a CZ Scorpion magazine in Homesteader.

Here's what the situation looks like inside the receiver:

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Although the magazine fits between the action bars, the side extensions of the bolt do not let the stripper rail to fetch cartridges.

I suppose it may be possible to invent a Rube Goldberg machine with a rammer like AN-94 or Madsen. But doing so would defeat the purpose. The whole point of using Scorpion magazines is to gain advantage in reliability. Not like AN-94 or Madsen are unreliable, but they were designed with complex feed systems from the outset, and it's completely different from retrofitting one of them into a pre-existing gun.

[Joe in PNG]

Sadly, we found that it's essentially impossible to use a CZ Scorpion magazine in Homesteader.

Here's what the situation looks like inside the receiver:

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Although the magazine fits between the action bars, the side extensions of the bolt do not let the stripper rail to fetch cartridges.

I suppose it may be possible to invent a Rube Goldberg machine with a rammer like AN-94 or Madsen. But doing so would defeat the purpose. The whole point of using Scorpion magazines is to gain advantage in reliability. Not like AN-94 or Madsen are unreliable, but they were designed with complex feed systems from the outset, and it's completely different from retrofitting one of them into a pre-existing gun.

Yep, too much complicated to work. But thanks for doing what you're doing.

[zaitcev]

Okay I didn't see this one coming: Midwest Industries adds a folding stock for Homesteader:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0bNxFQyvls

I remember what the aftermarket has done for Mini-14. It was crazy with A-team stocks and such. However, that was back during Assault Weapon Ban, and this is today, when braces are legal again.

Granded, the "why?!" argument can be made against my own Beretta 92 magwell for Homesteader, but I only build those for the lulz, and MI is well-known and hopefully profitable business.

[zaitcev]

I'm sure some of you saw this coming. But of course, if Scorp mag is too wide and has a dual feed, is there something else out there that has a single feed? I assure you though, it wasn't an easy call. Before resorting to such extreme measures, we took a look at MP5, Colt, and Uzi (sorry MPX). None of them were possible.

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[CleverNickname]

Okay I didn't see this one coming: Midwest Industries adds a folding stock for Homesteader:
It's not folding, just skeletonized.

[314159]

Henry is now shipping the magazine well that works with the Sig P320 (or P250) magazines and S&W M&P magazines.

[zaitcev]

Henry is now shipping the magazine well that works with the Sig P320 (or P250) magazines and S&W M&P magazines.

Please share some evidence for such an extraordinary claim. Did you see the H027-H9S yourself?

Gunbroker sellers keep claiming that they have it, including a top-10 seller Fuquay. Not one of them posted a photo, all of them share stock images only.

I checked a few of the reputable traditional retailers, and none have it.

Oh and one other thing. The M&P shooters finally ground me down and I bought an M&P magazine. It looks incompatible with SIG to me. Making a magwell module that accepts both and works reliably seems next to impossible to me. M&P magazine is fatter and as a designer you have to make the magazine cavity wider. But that will add the bias to the P320 magazine. Certainly, Homesteader magwell provides a lot more freedom to design than Ruger PC magwell, but there are limits to everything.

In addition, LRBHO activation ledge is not in the same place between the two. I talked to a guy with Stern P320/M&P adapter for AR9, and asked does it actually work. He said, "yeah, I adjusted it and it works perfectly." Yeah, after he adjusted it.

I'm going to ship P320 and M&P magwells separately. At this point, I flat out do not believe Henry will ever ship their P320+M&P unit. It was a mistake to promise it, and the only way to correct is to cancel the product, and re-launch 2 separate SKUs. They may still try to save face somehow, like ship the magwell with two bolt stop bars and let users change them. In a way I cannot wait to see what happens.

[314159]

I ordered it from Henry and it was delivered to me yesterday. Cheap, too.

Haven't installed it yet.

[zaitcev]

I ordered it from Henry and it was delivered to me yesterday. Cheap, too.

Haven't installed it yet.

Awesome! Can't wait to see the photos! There ought to be a little letter in a circle on it somewhere, I'm wondering what it is. It's "G" for the Glock module.

P.S. What's weird, they removed the whole category of magwell modules from the web store.

[zaitcev]

Comedy at Reddit (SPOILER: A P226 owner bought the new SIG magwell without realizing that it works with P320 magazines.):
https://www.reddit.com/r/HenryRifles/comments/1c0yiym/i_received_the_mpsig_magwell_adapter_for_my/

However, an interesting part is that the magwell is unified. Can't wait to hear how it works, especially in view of drastically different LRBHO ledges on M&P and P320 followers:

[zaitcev]

In view of the latest news from Henry, here's an update on my collection of adapters.

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Left to right:

Beretta 92 -- In production, available for purchase. I was too lazy to pull an adapter from the retail package for the photo, so an empty shell from a parts bin represents it. This is the only one that is baked. Note how smooth the bottom is, and all the material removal that is needed for the bake process.

SIG P320 -- Canceled in a prototype stage because of availability of Henry factory adapters. Prototype is printed in ABS.

SIG P365 -- Almost production ready but needs some polish yet. Prototype in NylonX. The sides look amazing, but unfortunately the bottom is so-so. But oh well. It's half of the price of a baked adapter.

SIG P226 -- This one is in early prototypes at the moment.

STEN -- I was unreasonably excited about this one, because I thought it was cool. But on the second thought, the beater milsurp mags do not look so good in a brand new Henry (pictured). Also, I'm having a trouble with the reliability. It's possible that Homesteader's recoil spring is not strong enough to strip rounds from a full STEN magazine. I'm going to tinker with it yet, but nobody hold their breath please. I'm just even more bummed now that MP5 fell through.

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[zaitcev]

I had my first mechanical issue. One of the little D-clips that hold the cross pins decided to depart its tube. By a miracle I was able to find it (by using a bright flashlight and scanning diligently).

You can see the maverick clip being noticeably wider. The steel they used is pretty springy, which is good of course, but I had no success trying to close it with pliers.

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[zaitcev]

Oh yeah, since we're at it. There's been a lot of behind the scenes "fun", if anyone is interested in how the development of gun products goes.

First, we took our original B92 magwell, re-imagined it for 3D printing, and made a P226 magwell. Qualified it, put it on sale for half the price. Big success!
Next, we turned around and used the technology of P226 to make a half-price B92. Went to qualify it... and the bolt bends the bolt stops.
What in the world? It turned out that the breakout B92, being super expensive and super high tech, was made in a precise process that allowed a high stiffness body.
But the 3D printing allows a little bit of motion, which then allows bolt to crumple the stop lever in the same way you can bend a nail with your hammer.

It took a couple of months of back and forth to make a bolt stop that survives being hit by the bolt, while not supported by the flexible 3D body.
Once we had it, we made a recall for P226 units and retrofitted the new stops. Fortunately, the stop cavity was deep enough on them.

We weren't so lucky with P365 but fortunately all this happened before P365 went on sale. All the test units had to be re-done for the new stop lever.

Now I know what happens when companies announce guns at SHOT show and then delay them by a year or two. :-)

So we have the "new" B92, STEN, P226, and P365 out now. Looking at 1911.

[zaitcev]

Once we had it, we made a recall for P226 units and retrofitted the new stops. Fortunately, the stop cavity was deep enough on them.


Sorry, forgot to attach a photo. The No.11 on the left is still with an old stop lever, and No.9 on the right has a new one.

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