TISAS 1911s

[D-der]

I've read that as well. Tisas is now offering sights options of their own.

It appears they have different styles but likely only offered OE height (no dimensions listed), my POI was quite low so I went with a shorter sight.
I'd also wonder if the replacement sights offered are for the old cut or the updated cut

[Trooper224]

It appears they have different styles but likely only offered OE height (no dimensions listed), my POI was quite low so I went with a shorter sight.
I'd also wonder if the replacement sights offered are for the old cut or the updated cut

Since the sights being offered are OEM on current models, I'll make a guess and say they're for the proprietary dovetail. I'll know in about a week when new sights arrive for the Stingray.

[eaglefrq]

I picked up a Stingray last week and went to the range. I got hit in the head with a few rounds. I saw in an earlier post someone said it might be the extractor clocking? I reload my own and they cycle just fine in my other pistols so I wasn't sure if I needed to increase my powder.

[D-der]

I picked up a Stingray last week and went to the range. I got hit in the head with a few rounds. I saw in an earlier post someone said it might be the extractor clocking? I reload my own and they cycle just fine in my other pistols so I wasn't sure if I needed to increase my powder.

Initially I got several brass to my noggin per mag, my extractor was very loose and clocking freely, I put in a Wilson bullet proof fps and extractor,
the WC extractor is still a little looser than it should be but, light years better, I guess starting with an over sized extractor would be the way to go but, it's not clocking any more, passes the 10-8 extractor test, has never malfunctioned at all even prior to the parts change. Now, if I limp wrist it I might get one come at me but, only then.

[MDFA]

As I said in an earlier post, I installed a new Night Fision Tritium with Orange Ring Front Sight. I replaced the stock rubber grips with Hogue Rosewood Double Diamond. I didn't have any extraction or ejection issues, but the factory extractor had very little tension, so I tensioned it slightly. It shows a preference to 8 rd Power Mags over Wilson 47D's. Fit and finish is far above many more expensive 1911's that I've owned. Out of the box the trigger averages 4.7 lbs. I'm very impressed so far, especially for the price point.

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[eaglefrq]

Initially I got several brass to my noggin per mag, my extractor was very loose and clocking freely, I put in a Wilson bullet proof fps and extractor,
the WC extractor is still a little looser than it should be but, light years better, I guess starting with an over sized extractor would be the way to go but, it's not clocking any more, passes the 10-8 extractor test, has never malfunctioned at all even prior to the parts change. Now, if I limp wrist it I might get one come at me but, only then.

Thanks for the info. I'm going try the range again and make sure it wasn't my grip. If I'm still having the issue, I will try the 10-8 extractor test before I start replacing parts. I'm still learning the 1911 platform and I want to verify "fps" means firing pin spring?

[Trooper224]

Thanks for the info. I'm going try the range again and make sure it wasn't my grip. If I'm still having the issue, I will try the 10-8 extractor test before I start replacing parts. I'm still learning the 1911 platform and I want to verify "fps" means firing pin spring?

Firing Pin Stop: the plate on the rear of the slide that retains the firing pin, it's spring and the extractor.

[eaglefrq]

Firing Pin Stop: the plate on the rear of the slide that retains the firing pin, it's spring and the extractor.

Thank you for the information. I tried Google and I kept getting feet per second information. I guess I should pick up a book on 1911's.

[entropy]

Got a jonesing for a MAC JSOC. Just for something different. Read thru the entire post here and scoured the intertrash for all I was able to find. Any recent/additional feedback would be appreciated. Being retired makes me contemplate my purchases more. Lol. Thanks

[Trooper224]

Got a jonesing for a MAC JSOC. Just for something different. Read thru the entire post here and scoured the intertrash for all I was able to find. Any recent/additional feedback would be appreciated. Being retired makes me contemplate my purchases more. Lol. Thanks

I looked at one last weekend. If I didn't already have several .45s, that no longer see much use due to arthritis, it would have come home with me. It seems to be an excellent alternative to a Springfield TRP.

[03RN]

I looked at one last weekend. If I didn't already have several .45s, that no longer see much use due to arthritis, it would have come home with me. It seems to be an excellent alternative to a Springfield TRP.

I've read nothing but good things about it

[Trooper224]

I've read nothing but good things about it

That and the D10 10mm sitting next to it sorely tempted me.

[Trooper224]

Whelp, my new sights for the Stingray should have come today. But, the Post Office, being the incompetent semi-government operation it is, decided they needed to sit in Wichita for an extra day. So, I decided to remove the original sigh5s tonight with my brand, very expensive MGW tool of Hephestas.

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Even the tool of the gods couldn't move the rear sight. I'd soaked it for twenty four hours in Kroil, but no joy. Finally, I resorted to smashing the fucker off with a steel punch and a big hammer. The rear sight is now in the condition one would expect from such a Neanderthal method, but it's off. Fortunately, the front sight came right off with the MGW.

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Note: the sights remove from right to left, or, from ejection port to off side with the muzzle pointed away.

[KevH]

He's absolutely right. As I've often said, almost everything past the grip screws may need fitting.



Don't kid yourself!

I've had to file grip screws that have protruded into the magwell before. Even those little suckers may need some fitting.

Everything on a 1911 may potentially need to be fit depending on the gun.

[littlejerry]

Got a jonesing for a MAC JSOC. Just for something different. Read thru the entire post here and scoured the intertrash for all I was able to find. Any recent/additional feedback would be appreciated. Being retired makes me contemplate my purchases more. Lol. Thanks

I'm also eyeballing the JSOC as a first 1911.

[Trooper224]

Don't kid yourself!

I've had to file grip screws that have protruded into the magwell before. Even those little suckers may need some fitting.

Everything on a 1911 may potentially need to be fit depending on the gun.

Everyone needs a little hope.

[gato naranja]

Being retired makes me contemplate my purchases more.

Same here. I can no longer justify anything that is priced too good to be true, because 90% of the time, that ends up costing me more money than if I had kicked in a few more bucks up front.

Plus, my best home gunsmithing days are in the rear view mirror along with my good vision; fixing crap on my own is far less recreational/thereapeutic than it used to be..

[KevH]

I picked up a Tisas B9 Carry (9mm Combat Commander) for a $350 in December.

That's literally the least amount of money I have ever paid for a 1911 platform pistol. It felt almost criminal.

I haven't shot it yet, but just inspecting it I'm absolutely blown away with the quality.

[MDFA]

Went to the local indoor range Sunday to test magazines and function with the Wolfe 20lb. recoil spring I installed. I loaded 30 magazines with one round each, chambering each round from slide lock and removing the magazine to conduct the 10-8 extractor test. Everything functioned perfectly.

I then reloaded the magazines with one round each, leaving the magazine in the pistol to test lockback. Again perfect function.

I put 9 230gr. Federal HST through it to check POI/POA with them and the front sight I had installed, no issues there. I fired another 60 rounds and called it a day.

I have changed the front sight, tensioned the extractor slightly, and changed the recoil spring to a Wolfe 20lb. spring and changed the grips. Really all personal preference items, rather than anything that was a problem with the pistol.

It prefers Chip McCormick Power Mags over Wilson 47D's. I'm going to add a Wilson Bullet Proof Tactical Magazine release, as I prefer the slightly extended type over stock.

When I got home I detail stripped the pistol to inspect everything and there is no MIM in it and the machining is well above some higher end 1911's I owned. I'm very impressed with the pistol.
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[Tokarev]

This seems like a good deal. FYI for someone in the market:

https://sdsimports.com/1911-a1-us-army-9-pre-pro-blem-9mm/?omnisendContactID=65a55dbade6906d366cd1d2e&utm_campaign=campaign%3A+Dispatch+31-+02.27.24+%2865dcf810884412a68df4220c%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=omnisend

[entropy]

Damn...all this is tempting! I’ve been mulling the JSOC, but the pull of a 9mm is strong. Never had a 1911 in 9mm before. Maybe for the price point I’ll dip my toes in.

Wasn’t there a huge thread on 9mm 1911’s here? I did a search last night, but only came up with smaller topics.

[Trooper224]

Damn...all this is tempting! IÂ’ve been mulling the JSOC, but the pull of a 9mm is strong. Never had a 1911 in 9mm before. Maybe for the price point IÂ’ll dip my toes in.

WasnÂ’t there a huge thread on 9mm 1911Â’s here? I did a search last night, but only came up with smaller topics.

Years ago we had quite the discussion going when Tod was getting his Springfield to run in 9mm. I always held to the belief that 9mm 1911s weren't ready for prime time, until I bought a Springfield Range Officer in 9mm. That gun has had issues in the 10-12 years that I've owned it, but reliability isn't one of them. The thing has always run with AK47 reliability. It changed my mind on the types suitability for serious use.

The thing I didn't like was the recoil impulse. Even after respringing it, it still seems sluggish. That five-inch slide is a lot for the 9mm to push around. The Commander variant is an entirely different animal that doesn't suffer from that malady. Since Colt originally designed the Commander in 9mm, there's probably something to that. Shocking.

[entropy]

I’ve read descriptions on the 5” 9mm saying “It always felt like it was one round away from a malfunction.” Is this what you’re getting at? I certainly see your point on slide mass. Which ever direction I may go, it likely will be 5”. I currently own an older LW Champion in .45 and would prolly choose bigger.

I recall that Todd thread as well. IIRC, everyone chimed in with their own guns and round counts as he took those two pistols thru the challenge...

*edit to add*

Another reason I’m looking at the 9mm option is from ammo/support angle. I’m much better equipped to shoot 9mm than .45 for things such as ammunition on hand, brass, primers, and associated support. Seems like the bigger Easy Button option. Let me scour the forum some more...

[Tokarev]

I’ve read descriptions on the 5” 9mm saying “It always felt like it was one round away from a malfunction.” Is this what you’re getting at? I certainly see your point on slide mass. Which ever direction I may go, it likely will be 5”. I currently own an older LW Champion in .45 and would prolly choose bigger.

I recall that Todd thread as well. IIRC, everyone chimed in with their own guns and round counts as he took those two pistols thru the challenge...


In my experience the mags are a huge part of the success or failure of the 1911 in 9mm. Mags from Tripp or Wilson are probably the best.

[Robinson]

I'm one of the guys who said that with 9mm 1911s I always feel like I am one round away from a malfunction, even after I put one through the 2,000 round challenge with no failures.

Every time I think I have moved on from 9mm 1911s one finds its way into my life again. I have a 5" Wilson Combat pistol on its way to me (along with a 45). We'll see how she runs.

[gato naranja]

Years ago we had quite the discussion going when Tod was getting his Springfield to run in 9mm. I always held to the belief that 9mm 1911s weren't ready for prime time, until I bought a Springfield Range Officer in 9mm. That gun has had issues in the 10-12 years that I've owned it, but reliability isn't one of them. The thing has always run with AK47 reliability. It changed my mind on the types suitability for serious use.

The thing I didn't like was the recoil impulse. Even after respringing it, it still seems sluggish. That five-inch slide is a lot for the 9mm to push around. The Commander variant is an entirely different animal that doesn't suffer from that malady. Since Colt originally designed the Commander in 9mm, there's probably something to that. Shocking.

I bought a 5" RO Operator in 9mm back in 2016 and it became my favorite centerfire range toy and back pasture plinker. It had some minor issues at first, but in the end they were not serious ones... and nothing that I couldn't rectify myself. It is definitely a soft shooter; mine is not what I would call "sluggish" anymore, but before the hammer spring's disco leg end (and the mating surface on the disconnector) smoothed/polished and the gun broken in, that word was not inappropriate. Gata naranja's RO Compact was good to go right out of the box.

I use mostly Springfield/Leatham Metalform magazines and habitually load them - and any other 9mm 1911 magazines regardless of pedigree - down by one round from the stated capacity. It helps my blood pressure.

[Trooper224]

I’ve read descriptions on the 5” 9mm saying “It always felt like it was one round away from a malfunction.” Is this what you’re getting at? I certainly see your point on slide mass. Which ever direction I may go, it likely will be 5”. I currently own an older LW Champion in .45 and would prolly choose bigger.

I recall that Todd thread as well. IIRC, everyone chimed in with their own guns and round counts as he took those two pistols thru the challenge...

*edit to add*

Another reason I’m looking at the 9mm option is from ammo/support angle. I’m much better equipped to shoot 9mm than .45 for things such as ammunition on hand, brass, primers, and associated support. Seems like the bigger Easy Button option. Let me scour the forum some more...

That would be another way to describe it. When running a speed drill it feels like I'm waiting for the slide to catch up. With a Commander I've experienced none of this. In fact, at this point I think an all steel Commander in 9mm is the sweetest handling variant in the 1911 family.

[Trooper224]

In my experience the mags are a huge part of the success or failure of the 1911 in 9mm. Mags from Tripp or Wilson are probably the best.

My experience has not born that out. Of the three 9mm 1911s I own, they've all run fine with MecGar, Checkmate, Metalform and Wilson magazines. All loaded to capacity. Any issues encountered haven't involved magazines.

[entropy]

That would be another way to describe it. When running a speed drill it feels like I'm waiting for the slide to catch up. With a Commander I've experienced none of this. In fact, at this point I think an all steel Commander in 9mm is the sweetest handling variant in the 1911 family.


....You’re not helping here....lol

[Trooper224]

Success.

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The MGW Hammer of Thor proved its worth during the installation. I took a little material off the sight base, as much as i could and still maintain clearance with the dovetail. Then, I cranked it on. The front sight went right on without any fitting.

If you're listening Tisas, two things: these sights are obviously meant for a five-inch slide. The front sight is very tight in the rear notch, with very little light space. I may have to open up the rear notch a bit, we'll see. Also, stop Ceracoting the sights. The semi-gloss sheen is counterproductive. The flat surfaces on this set counteract it, but it's an issue with you Novak type sights. The Ceracote also doesn't respond well to the caressing of a pusher or a punch. A phosphate finish is far superior.

[Tokarev]

I think this is already reported? I assume it has been.

https://thecmp.org/tisas-partners-with-civilian-marksmanship-program-to-build-1911-pistol/

[entropy]

Success.

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The MGW Hammer of Thor proved its worth during the installation. I took a little material off the sight base, as much as i could and still maintain clearance with the dovetail. Then, I cranked it on. The front sight went right on without any fitting.

If you're listening Tisas, two things: these sights are obviously meant for a five-inch slide. The front sight is very tight in the rear notch, with very little light space. I may have to open up the rear notch a bit, we'll see. Also, stop Ceracoting the sights. The semi-gloss sheen is counterproductive. The flat surfaces on this set counteract it, but it's an issue with you Novak type sights. The Ceracote also doesn't respond well to the caressing of a pusher or a punch. A phosphate finish is far superior.

So what sights did you end up with? How about the front sight height? Did you adjust for POA/POI?

[Trooper224]

So what sights did you end up with? How about the front sight height? Did you adjust for POA/POI?


I used the sights advertised on the Tisas website. The tritium front and ledge rear. I just put the sightscon a few hours ago. I have no idea about POA/POI as of yet. I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to open up the rear notch a bit.

[entropy]

Perhaps not worthy of its own thread so here we are.

Looking at possibly switching gears and going 5” 9mm on the Tisas. Any commentary on 5” 9mm? I did a thread search and came up with a few, but for some reason recall a P-F Palooza mega thread on it. Also, there was the ToddG thread where he put the two identical guns thru their paces. Can’t find that either. Maybe it’s old age. Lol. Thanks!

[Robinson]

Perhaps not worthy of its own thread so here we are.

Looking at possibly switching gears and going 5” 9mm on the Tisas. Any commentary on 5” 9mm? I did a thread search and came up with a few, but for some reason recall a P-F Palooza mega thread on it. Also, there was the ToddG thread where he put the two identical guns thru their paces. Can’t find that either. Maybe it’s old age. Lol. Thanks!

I put a Springfield 5" 9mm 1911 through the 2K challenge several years ago and it passed with no failures. Shortly after that a couple of the Metalform mags I used started failing to lock back on empty.

The last two 5" 9mm guns I owned ran fine except they occasionally failed to go all the way forward into battery even with robust recoil springs. No feeding or extraction issues.

I just took delivery of a 5" Wilson Combat 9mm and am looking forward to getting it to the range for the first time. Hopefully it will work great.

[entropy]

I put a Springfield 5" 9mm 1911 through the 2K challenge several years ago and it passed with no failures. Shortly after that a couple of the Metalform mags I used started failing to lock back on empty.

The last two 5" 9mm guns I owned ran fine except they occasionally failed to go all the way forward into battery even with robust recoil springs. No feeding or extraction issues.

I just took delivery of a 5" Wilson Combat 9mm and am looking forward to getting it to the range for the first time. Hopefully it will work great.

Thanks. There was a thread from the late teens era that discusses recoil spring selection and use. That was informative and tagged. A lot of the discussion here seems to focus on it being a range toy. I’m looking at it from a much more utility standpoint. I guess I don’t really see a difference between a 9 or 10rd 9mm and a 10 or 12rd .40 or .45 when the discussion turns down that alley.

[Robinson]

A lot of the discussion here seems to focus on it being a range toy.

I'm hoping the Wilson runs good enough that I can use it in future pistol classes that I attend. But I will probably still carry a 45.

[Jim Watson]

My Colt 1991A1 is a fine shooter but not perfect.
It has broken a rear sight, a front sight, and two ejectors. A spate of misfeeds was apparently due to splayed magazine lips from being dropped half full as USPSA L-10.
My SA MixMaster A has lower mileage but after assembly and refinement has been trouble free except when given truncated cone bullets.

I always liked Metalform magazines, so when they announced a 10x9mm, I stocked up; I even recruited friends to order enough for the wholesale price. They turned out to have the 1950 rear spacer instead of the "front ramp" I had been using in 9x9mms. After a while they lost reliability. New springs did not help. I salvaged them by discarding the rear spacer and putting in .38 Super follower and spring. They then would feed 9mm ball ammo.
I now have a mix of Tripp Cobramags, CMC XPs and converted Metalforms, with samples of Wilson, post Wilson CMC, and MecGar.

[gato naranja]

Thanks. There was a thread from the late teens era that discusses recoil spring selection and use. That was informative and tagged. A lot of the discussion here seems to focus on it being a range toy. I’m looking at it from a much more utility standpoint. I guess I don’t really see a difference between a 9 or 10rd 9mm and a 10 or 12rd .40 or .45 when the discussion turns down that alley.

An all-steel 5" 9mm 1911 does make for a dandy range toy; I highly recommend them to anyone just on that basis. Would I utilize my own favorite example for "real world" use? If I had to, sure. I know its quirks, I don't fool around trying to fix what is broken, and it beats the hell out of a sharp stick or no stick at all. It would not be my first choice or my second choice, but neither would it be my last choice.

[Tokarev]

JSOC review

https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/military-armament-corp-1911-jsoc-45-full-review/492484

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[Le Français]

JSOC review

https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/military-armament-corp-1911-jsoc-45-full-review/492484

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It does look a lot like the real thing:
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[HeavyDuty]

Got a jonesing for a MAC JSOC. Just for something different. Read thru the entire post here and scoured the intertrash for all I was able to find. Any recent/additional feedback would be appreciated. Being retired makes me contemplate my purchases more. Lol. Thanks


I looked at one last weekend. If I didn't already have several .45s, that no longer see much use due to arthritis, it would have come home with me. It seems to be an excellent alternative to a Springfield TRP.


JSOC review

https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/military-armament-corp-1911-jsoc-45-full-review/492484

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This is like my mental picture of what a 1911 should look like. Thank you, late 70s American Handgunner.

The price is blowing me away. What’s the catch?

[TGS]

The price is blowing me away. What’s the catch?

Hit or miss reliability with JHPs, it seems. That's what I gather from skimming various forums, at least.

[Tokarev]

Hit or miss reliability with JHPs, it seems. That's what I gather from skimming various forums, at least.Any idea what clips they're using for the JHPs and then what JHPs?

I wonder how an EGW higher mag catch would help.

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[TGS]

Any idea what clips they're using for the JHPs and then what JHPs?

I wonder how an EGW higher mag catch would help.

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I can't recall, honestly. It's just a general trend I see noted in threads, and I'm not sure how accurate it is to begin with. Could just be people applying Armscor rules-of-thumbs to TISAS guns because they want to make a correlation for some reason.

It'd be cool if the forum members that have TISAS guns would do a little more data mining.

:)

[HeavyDuty]

I can't recall, honestly. It's just a general trend I see noted in threads, and I'm not sure how accurate it is to begin with. Could just be people applying Armscor rules-of-thumbs to TISAS guns because they want to make a correlation for some reason.

It'd be cool if the forum members that have TISAS guns would do a little more data mining.

:)

It looks like we have several members with JSOCs. How are they working out?

MountainRaven? SoCalDep? Gary1911A1?

Not enabling or anything, but Family Firearms has them for $647 shipped OTD, no tax.

[SecondsCount]

Not sure what the grand total would be but Battlehawk has them for $615. So tempted

https://battlehawkarmory.com/product/military-armament-corporation-mac1911-.45-acp-5-81-qpq-tenifer-finish-enhanced-feature-pistol

[Borderland]

$647 isn't a bad price if it will run ball ammo reliably. Nobody is going to carry a 1911 anyway. The ambidextrous safety isn't retro at all but it looks like they just want to sell pistols to lefty shooters who want to experience a 1911. There has to be plenty of those out there, maybe 10%.

I applaud the manufacturers that build 1911 shooters for the unwashed masses. I would have been a buyer 20 years ago if they existed. I had to buy several Colt's to get a 1911 fix. No options for a new $750 1911.

[Le Français]

The ambidextrous safety isn't retro at all

It’s inspired by ‘80s and ‘90s SFOD-D guns, many of which seem to have worn ambi safeties (see the photos I posted earlier). It’s not just about left handed people; it’s about being able to use either hand.

[SoCalDep]

It looks like we have several members with JSOCs. How are they working out?

MountainRaven? SoCalDep? Gary1911A1?

Not enabling or anything, but Family Firearms has them for $647 shipped OTD, no tax.

It’s a 1911.

Mine works great and has been 100% reliable with 230gr HST and 230gr ball from a bunch of different mags. Yours might not… because it’s a 1911.

But hey… it’s a 1911 so we kinda know how to figure things out on ‘em… so if yours doesn’t work great it can be fixed with patience, time, skill, and money. Many are too impatient for that and should stick with simple good Glocks, M&Ps, and so forth.

[HeavyDuty]

Not sure what the grand total would be but Battlehawk has them for $615. So tempted

https://battlehawkarmory.com/product/military-armament-corporation-mac1911-.45-acp-5-81-qpq-tenifer-finish-enhanced-feature-pistol

They pissed me off with their return policies, so I choose not to give them my custom anymore.

[Borderland]

It’s inspired by ‘80s and ‘90s SFOD-D guns, many of which seem to have worn ambi safeties (see the photos I posted earlier). It’s not just about left handed people; it’s about being able to use either hand.

Adjustable sights also. What's not too like if you just want a shooter. I only have one 1911 shooter these days. No ambi because it's a range toy. But ambi and adjustable sights never hurt anybody.

[Elwin]

Nobody is going to carry a 1911 anyway. The ambidextrous safety isn't retro at all but it looks like they just want to sell pistols to lefty shooters who want to experience a 1911.

I don’t know if the first sentence is tongue in cheek and that’s just not coming across via text, but you know there are plenty of people (including multiple active members on this forum) who do carry 1911s, right?

Edit - Nevermind what I said about safeties, I was looking at the wrong picture.

[Robinson]

Nobody is going to carry a 1911 anyway.

I guess you're right. I carry one all the time and I'm about as "nobody" as they get.

[Trooper224]

This thread was pretty informative far longer than most. Now it seems to be evolving into the typical bull shit.

Too bad.

Moving on.

[JHC]

This thread was pretty informative far longer than most. Now it seems to be evolving into the typical bull shit.

Too bad.

Moving on.

I hope you'll keep updating this as you observe anything of note and certainly when you get the slide back from Harrison etc.

This is the first thread I'm looking for re "New Posts".

[Gary1911A1]

It looks like we have several members with JSOCs. How are they working out?

MountainRaven? SoCalDep? Gary1911A1?

Not enabling or anything, but Family Firearms has them for $647 shipped OTD, no tax.

Mine, a sample of one, works well with Wilson Magazines and Power Mags feeding 230gr FMJ. When I use the factory magazines I tend to get nosedives even with ball ammo. I think this is due to the feed ramp being off the 31.5 degree angle. I would think this would be easy to correct, but I've not read of Tisas correcting it. :mad:

[entropy]

This thread was pretty informative far longer than most. Now it seems to be evolving into the typical bull shit.

Too bad.

Moving on.


Yep. Some folks just can’t resist the urge to pee in the pool.

[HeavyDuty]

This thread was pretty informative far longer than most. Now it seems to be evolving into the typical bull shit.

Too bad.

Moving on.

Please hang around - this thread has a wealth of information, a large part of it from you.

[Robinson]

The JSOC seems to be a lot of gun for the money assuming it works with at least ball ammo -- and so far it seems the guns run okay with ball. I have to give the company credit for taking a cool idea and going all the way to market with it. Someone at MAC must be at least somewhat tuned in to the 1911 culture to have thought of this whole project.

The other options for procuring something approaching a "unit gun" from that era are either quite pricy or involve a whole lot of do-it-yourself.

I find it curious they went with the LPA rear sight instead of a Bomar-style. Maybe the LPA was easier/cheaper to source.

If I had one of these I would slap on a pair of Herret's full-checkered stocks with beveled bottom and all just to make it even closer to the guns that inspired it.

[Tokarev]

It does look a lot like the real thing:
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Maybe that's covered already by the Raider?



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[Le Français]

I find it curious they went with the LPA rear sight instead of a Bomar-style. Maybe the LPA was easier/cheaper to source.

Hilton Yam has said that the LPA is more common these days, and easier/more efficient to install (perhaps you know that already—I just learned it myself). Maybe that was all the reason MAC needed. My opinion is that it’s close enough for an “homage” versus a strict clone.

[Trooper224]

The JSOC seems to be a lot of gun for the money assuming it works with at least ball ammo -- and so far it seems the guns run okay with ball. I have to give the company credit for taking a cool idea and going all the way to market with it. Someone at MAC must be at least somewhat tuned in to the 1911 culture to have thought of this whole project.

The other options for procuring something approaching a "unit gun" from that era are either quite pricy or involve a whole lot of do-it-yourself.

I find it curious they went with the LPA rear sight instead of a Bomar-style. Maybe the LPA was easier/cheaper to source.

If I had one of these I would slap on a pair of Herret's full-checkered stocks with beveled bottom and all just to make it even closer to the guns that inspired it.

The actual Bomar is long out of production. The LPA is also a mechanically superior sight, both structurally and in use.

[Borderland]

I guess you're right. I carry one all the time and I'm about as "nobody" as they get.

OK, maybe one or two people. ;)

[Borderland]

I don’t know if the first sentence is tongue in cheek and that’s just not coming across via text, but you know there are plenty of people (including multiple active members on this forum) who do carry 1911s, right?

Edit - Nevermind what I said about safeties, I was looking at the wrong picture.

Yes, I know people carry 1911's. I used to OC one when hiking in the desert. T&C

[Robinson]

The actual Bomar is long out of production. The LPA is also a mechanically superior sight, both structurally and in use.

Yes that is why I said "Bomar-style". Ironically, Springfield Armory uses LPA sights on most of their guns with adjustable sights but they use a Bomar-style on the TRP Operator which was inspired by the unit guns. Colt also still uses a Bomar-style sight.

I've owned several guns with both Bomar-style and LPA sights and neither are as fragile as people like to think.

[HeavyDuty]

The JSOC seems to be a lot of gun for the money assuming it works with at least ball ammo -- and so far it seems the guns run okay with ball.

This is my attitude, too - if it can be a reliable ball gun, it’s worth the trouble.

[Trooper224]

Yes that is why I said "Bomar-style". Ironically, Springfield Armory uses LPA sights on most of their guns with adjustable sights but they use a Bomar-style on the TRP Operator which was inspired by the unit guns. Colt also still uses a Bomar-style sight.

I've owned several guns with both Bomar-style and LPA sights and neither are as fragile as people like to think.

I wouldn't call them fragile, but I wouldn't call them particularly solid either. I only have one 1911 left with an LPA/Bomar. I have little desire to ever have another.

[TGS]

I speculate a MEU(SOC) gun is next as those clone parts are no longer readily available as far as I know.

Maybe that's covered already by the Raider?



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The TISAS "Stakeout" is basically a rack-grade MEUSOC without the Pachmyer grip.

Marketing directly as a MEUSOC clone might be a tough thing to do, though. The MEUSOC cloner community are the most screeching-autist, pedantic, quibbling cloners of them all*. The attraction of the MEUSOC is that it was hand-built. Unlike the M45A1, there were several generations of it that melded together, and any Quantico PWS 2112 will additionally tell you that in reality they were throwing whatever parts they could find into the guns to keep them up and running. The result is that there really isn't any one true MEUSOC specification to clone.

So, making a mass-produced MEUSOC clone is likely to appeal to very few people. Someone would want an earlier generation, while others would want a mid or later generation. And they're all wrong, anyway, since they're not hand-fitted or actually built with the correct parts*.

[Tokarev]

making a mass-produced MEUSOC clone is likely to appeal to very few people. Someone would want an earlier generation, while others would want a mid or later generation

I think the key would be picking the right variant. One that appeals to the masses.

This is probably the version most often seen in photos or as a clone. At least in my extremely limited research, aka poking around on the internet.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240304/48337a3c83575c4a87cbd093ff4b5968.jpg

The key would be the old style grip safety, the ambi thumb safety and then iron "Millet" sights. I would say the Pachmyrs would also be a requirement to give the pistol the most appeal.

I'd guess a pistol configured thusly would sell as well as the JSOC guns.

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[Trooper224]

The TISAS "Stakeout" is basically a rack-grade MEUSOC without the Pachmyer grip.

Marketing directly as a MEUSOC clone might be a tough thing to do, though. The MEUSOC cloner community are the most screeching-autist, pedantic, quibbling cloners of them all*. The attraction of the MEUSOC is that it was hand-built. Unlike the M45A1, there were several generations of it that melded together, and any Quantico PWS 2112 will additionally tell you that in reality they were throwing whatever parts they could find into the guns to keep them up and running. The result is that there really isn't any one true MEUSOC specification to clone.

So, making a mass-produced MEUSOC clone is likely to appeal to very few people. Someone would want an earlier generation, while others would want a mid or later generation. And they're all wrong, anyway, since they're not hand-fitted or actually built with the correct parts*.

I never could understand the masturbatory thrill over a beat up parts gun.

[Trooper224]

I just recieved these photos from John. Finished.

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[JSGlock34]

I think the key would be picking the right variant. One that appeals to the masses.

This is probably the version most often seen in photos or as a clone. At least in my extremely limited research, aka poking around on the internet.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240304/48337a3c83575c4a87cbd093ff4b5968.jpg

The key would be the old style grip safety, the ambi thumb safety and then iron "Millet" sights. I would say the Pachmyrs would also be a requirement to give the pistol the most appeal.

I'd guess a pistol configured thusly would sell as well as the JSOC guns.

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I've never understood why Springfield took a pass on the marketing layup of a MEUSOC tie-in. They weren't shy about marketing their FBI selection. They weirdly threw pachmayr grips on the Operator and marketed it as the 'MC' Operator, even though the Marines didn't used railed guns until the Colt M45A1s. The 'Variant 4' MEUSOC pistols used new Springfield slides with the forward cocking serrations and Novak sights...throwing a set of Pachmayrs on the old parkerized 'Loaded' model got you 90% there. And not terribly expensive either for a Springfield (my NM serial numbered Loaded was under $700 at the time).

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[parishioner]

I've never understood why Springfield took a pass on the marketing layup of a MEUSOC tie-in. They weren't shy about marketing their FBI selection. They weirdly threw pachmayr grips on the Operator and marketed it as the 'MC' Operator, even though the Marines didn't used railed guns until the Colt M45A1s. The 'Variant 4' MEUSOC pistols used new Springfield slides with the forward cocking serrations and Novak sights...throwing a set of Pachmayrs on the old parkerized 'Loaded' model got you 90% there. And not terribly expensive either for a Springfield (my NM serial numbered Loaded was under $700 at the time).

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I miss mine. :(

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[JSGlock34]

I miss mine. :(

I sold mine too. I eventually built it out with many of the MEUSOC parts. It was a fun project gun.

[eaglefrq]

This thread was pretty informative far longer than most. Now it seems to be evolving into the typical bull shit.

Too bad.

Moving on.

I hate to see you leave, you have been a huge help to me. I got my first Tisas and you have provided some great information.

[Trooper224]

Note: my son bought a B9 Carry as his training gun and it recently developed extraction issues. Upon examination, I observed very little tension on the extractor. After increasing the tension I also noted that the tip of the extractor was sitting proud of the extractor channel. Ideally, the tip of the extractor should be at least flush, or better yet, slightly below the channel mouth. If the tip contacts the barrel recoil surface, this can cause extraction problems and eventual loss of tension on the extractor. Both of which my sons gun was exhibiting.

After ajusting the extractors tension I removed.a bit of material from the tip in order to remedy the issue. Not a lot of removal is required. Just enough to put the extractor tip below flush with the channel. I've done this on three of our four pistols. His Stingray hasn't shown any issues, but I bet it would show the same condition if I checked it.

MyTank Commanders extractor crapped the bed early so I simply replaced it. I did have to preform the same procedure on the installed Wilson extractor. I noted the same with my Stingray when I adjusted its extractor after a failure to eject. On all three of these pistols the extractor was long enough to contact the barrel recoil surface. So, if your Tisas starts having extraction issues, check these areas for contact.

[G19Fan]

Note: my son bought a B9 Carry as his training gun and it recently developed extraction issues. Upon examination, I observed very little tension on the extractor. After increasing the tension I also noted that the tip of the extractor was sitting proud of the extractor channel. Ideally, the tip of the extractor should be at least flush, or better yet, slightly below the channel mouth. If the tip contacts the barrel recoil surface, this can cause extraction problems and eventual loss of tension on the extractor. Both of which my sons gun was exhibiting.

After ajusting the extractors tension I removed.a bit of material from the tip in order to remedy the issue. Not a lot of removal is required. Just enough to put the extractor tip below flush with the channel. I've done this on three of our four pistols. His Stingray hasn't shown any issues, but I bet it would show the same condition if I checked it.

MyTank Commanders extractor crapped the bed early so I simply replaced it. I did have to preform the same procedure on the installed Wilson extractor. I noted the same with my Stingray when I adjusted its extractor after a failure to eject. On all three of these pistols the extractor was long enough to contact the barrel recoil surface. So, if your Tisas starts having extraction issues, check these areas for contact.

Super helpful post. Thanks

[Trooper224]

I think the key would be picking the right variant. One that appeals to the masses.

This is probably the version most often seen in photos or as a clone. At least in my extremely limited research, aka poking around on the internet.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240304/48337a3c83575c4a87cbd093ff4b5968.jpg

The key would be the old style grip safety, the ambi thumb safety and then iron "Millet" sights. I would say the Pachmyrs would also be a requirement to give the pistol the most appeal.

I'd guess a pistol configured thusly would sell as well as the JSOC guns.

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For many years, that rear sight was my favorite. When Millet made it and later Kings. I can't count the number of pistols I put it on. I had a sad when it went out of production.

[HeavyDuty]

Just picked this up from my pusher. It reminds me so much of a 1980s American Handgunner cover I couldn’t pass it up. I’m hoping to do very little to it - different grips, springs if needed - and then beat it like a rented mule. I always wanted a buried Bomar on the 1911 I built back then, this made more sense.

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[Tokarev]

Just picked this up from my pusher. It reminds me so much of a 1980s American Handgunner cover I couldn’t pass it up. I’m hoping to do very little to it - different grips, springs if needed - and then beat it like a rented mule. I always wanted a buried Bomar on the 1911 I built back then, this made more sense.

115900These really seem to be a "no brainer" in the custom 1911 market. Please let us know how it works once you have a chance to put some rounds through it.

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[HeavyDuty]

These really seem to be a "no brainer" in the custom 1911 market. Please let us know how it works once you have a chance to put some rounds through it.

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Will do! Other than the non derp grip panels, I think initially I may only put in better plunger guts to make the safety a little more tactile - it’s pretty light right now. I’m not seeing anything else that needs immediate addressing.

[CSW]

Ambi safety on that Ken??

[HeavyDuty]

Ambi safety on that Ken??

Yes, sir!

[JHC]

One of these has the deepest hooks in me.

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[G19Fan]

If any of these had a 9mm commander eith k cut I would own one already

[Noah]

If any of these had a 9mm commander eith k cut I would own one already

You could probably have one cut?

[Cory]

I used to lust after a Dave Berryhill MEUSOC with a clarks grip safety, and the handmade rearsight. He made several variations, and the pre springfeuld slides with pachmeyers were a pure workgun aesthetic. But Dave passed away in 2015, and the clark grip safety is discontinued. I wound up with a Dan Wesson Valor instead. Probably more practical.

Later, I wanted a decommissioned/surplus/USGI M45A1. But I couldn't afford the prices at the time. Wound up with a USGI M17 instead. I've never shot it, and I'm not a Sig fan.

The CMP 1911s seemed grossly overpriced, and likely not something I could truly enjoy as a shooter. Then they were delayed for years.

Basically I've been interested in service 1911s for some time. Maybe a Tisas "Raider" clone would scratch the itch. The MEUSOC clones aren't really "cloney" enough for my tastes. Where the M45A1 were really just COS colt railguns anyway.

Fuck. I need another gun wantsy like a hole in the head.

[G19Fan]

You could probably have one cut?

Def could

[Noah]

Def could

But compared to an off the shelf solution, soon enough it's just work, work, work, all the time.... I get it.

[Trooper224]

One of these has the deepest hooks in me.

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You and me both.

[G19Fan]

But compared to an off the shelf solution, soon enough it's just work, work, work, all the time.... I get it.

Yeah figured optic cut commander sized 1911s in 9mm have to be a year or two out by someone...

[MountainRaven]

So the JSOC definitely doesn't fit in a non-optics cut Milt Sparks VM-2, like those stocked by Top Gun and Monkey Edge. But the Stakeout fits perfectly.

What? No, I didn't buy the Stakeout just so I could buy a different holster... that would be crazy. ;)

Oh: I dropped a Harrison trigger into the Stakeout. And, like the JSOC, it was a drop-in fit.

[HeavyDuty]

A Stingray once they sort out the new Novak sight cuts might be more than I can resist.

[MDFA]

Just picked this up from my pusher. It reminds me so much of a 1980s American Handgunner cover I couldn’t pass it up. I’m hoping to do very little to it - different grips, springs if needed - and then beat it like a rented mule. I always wanted a buried Bomar on the 1911 I built back then, this made more sense.

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Do not need... Do not need...

Nice find.

[Trooper224]

These two are now properly tweeked and tuned to my liking.
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Grips are Elk Stag by Cactus Gripper and American Holly by Woodcaliber.

The only area where I can really ding the company is their sights. Specifically, lack of standardization with the industry. The OEM sight replacements on the Stingray fit easily enough, with only minor fitting on the rear sight being neccessary. Still, the dovetails are proprietary and sight options are consequently, quite limited.

The Stingrays sights are those used on the Night Stalker, a five-inch gun. No compensation is made for use on a shorter Commander length slide. The only description on the company website states,"for Tisas dovetails". The original front sight is .132" wide compared to the .156" of the tritium replacement. Both rear sight notches measure .120". As such, the tritium sight completely fills the rear sight notch. I opened up the rear notch to .134" in order to gain some light space around the front sight. Fortunately, they are well regulated in terms of POA/POI. The company advises they're switching to true Novak dovetails. This really should have been standard from the beginning.

The seemingly simple GI sights of the Tank Commander turned out to be just as non-standard. This gave John Harrison enough frustration that he won't be taking any more Tisas based work. Fortunately, I got in before anyone else, and my favored combo of Harrisons gold bead front and retro rear sight fit the Tank Commander well. The 1911 can't be considered modular, but it is one of the most commonly modified guns in the firearms world. That the company didn't realize this, and accommodate for it, is a real head scratcher. Especially since they've done a good job of manufacturing to a base standard everywhere else.

However, in the end all is well. Both pistols shoot accurately, with a six o'clock hold. Mr. Harrisons work is of the expected high quality, and I managed the Stingrays installation without buggering it up. That wouldn't have been possible without the MGW Sight Pusher.

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The total cost on these pistols wound up coming in below the MSRP of pistols from other brands with comparable features. I would have made some of these changes to those others as well, pushing the cost out further. The end result is two pistols that are accurate, reliable and set up to my personal tastes, at a pretty affordable comparative cost. They're showing themselves to be worthy successors to my long serving .45s. I've enjoyed the process.

[Trooper224]

Almost forgot: I haven't been impressed with the quality of Tisas springs. Recoil springs seem a bit crude in their finishing and the sear springs are a bit soft. I haven't run into any safety issues. But, I have replaced the recoil and firing pin springs with Wolff springs and have installed Cylinger and Slide sear springs.

[MountainRaven]

Does Harrison's not taking work on Tisases(?) include the front sights or just the rear?

Because I would like to replace the brass beads on my pair with gold beads at some point.

[HeavyDuty]

Almost forgot: I haven't been impressed with the quality of Tisas springs. Recoil springs seem a bit crude in their finishing and the sear springs are a bit soft. I haven't run into any safety issues. But, I have replaced the recoil and firing pin springs with Wolff springs and have installed Cylinger and Slide sear springs.

I saw enough comments about Tisas springs that I have a spring kit on the way for the JSOC.

[HeavyDuty]

Does Harrison's not taking work on Tisases(?) include the front sights or just the rear?

Because I would like to replace the brass beads on my pair with gold beads at some point.

Tisasii?

I thought beads can be removed and replaced? It might be destructive to the bead.

[Trooper224]

Does Harrison's not taking work on Tisases(?) include the front sights or just the rear?

Because I would like to replace the brass beads on my pair with gold beads at some point.

Unfortunately, that also includes the front sight. The mortise in which the sight rests isn't standard spec either. This requires reshaping the sights tenon. This is all covered upthread.

[Slice]

Another fine day shooting groups with the Tisas. Mods include a Wilson chrome silicone recoil spring, Wilson extra power firing pin spring, and Wilson extractor & firing pin stop. Gun runs just fine and shoots straight😀

[Trooper224]

I saw enough comments about Tisas springs that I have a spring kit on the way for the JSOC.

Since I have now replaced every spring in these two pistols, I can recommend that.

Recoil spring: no problems encountered, but seems too short and non-quality.
Firing Pin spring: replaced as a matter of course with the RS.
Plunger spring: awfully light
Mag catch spring: ridiculously heavy.
Sear spring: soft
Hammer spring: not yet, so not every spring.

[Trooper224]

Does Harrison's not taking work on Tisases(?) include the front sights or just the rear?

Because I would like to replace the brass beads on my pair with gold beads at some point.

Are your sights dovetailed? If so, he might accept the sight alone for replacement. I sent him the front sight on my CZ1911A1 for such.

[CSW]

With the Tisas DS, are you limited to the Rmsc direct mounting, or do they offer a plate for use of a standard size RMR?

[HeavyDuty]

Whoever said upthread that their ambi safeties are a bitch to remove wasn’t kidding.

[Tokarev]

$499.99 in cart price.

https://battlehawkarmory.com/product/tisas-1911-raider-b9rdg-9mm-5-barrel-2-9rd-magazines-pistol?trk_msg=UO4A6GDIVBU41FB4AHENVP8CUC&trk_contact=C8Q72J44POOUBLQ49FRTEVQ938&trk_sid=JBLL5KC8BS1UGFJKT3OFBNSEU0&trk_link=QAHJ4T3E8CB4RBUJT2LO5BQG70&eKey=ed0b730b4dea0b99e6bdc9cbb8641b93d7360a4f4f45a 60b4ea8d011fd35947f

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[entropy]

$499.99 in cart price.

https://battlehawkarmory.com/product/tisas-1911-raider-b9rdg-9mm-5-barrel-2-9rd-magazines-pistol?trk_msg=UO4A6GDIVBU41FB4AHENVP8CUC&trk_contact=C8Q72J44POOUBLQ49FRTEVQ938&trk_sid=JBLL5KC8BS1UGFJKT3OFBNSEU0&trk_link=QAHJ4T3E8CB4RBUJT2LO5BQG70&eKey=ed0b730b4dea0b99e6bdc9cbb8641b93d7360a4f4f45a 60b4ea8d011fd35947f

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[Trooper224]

Whoever said upthread that their ambi safeties are a bitch to remove wasn’t kidding.

I've found the pry tool at the bottom right, with the yellow handle, to be ideal for the task.
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[HeavyDuty]

I've found the pry tool at the bottom right, with the yellow handle, to be ideal for the task.
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That’s a nice tool kit! Do you know where it can be found?

The tool on the left looks suspiciously like a rail bender…

[Trooper224]

That’s a nice tool kit! Do you know where it can be found?

The tool on the left looks suspiciously like a rail bender…

Watch repair kit. You can find them on Amazon usually under $20. The tool on the left is a case back wrench

[TOTS]

Watch repair kit. You can find them on Amazon usually under $20. The tool on the left is a case back wrench
Ha! You beat me to it. I was going to ask if you adjusted your 1911s movements with that kit. I’m a watch nerd too.

[BillSWPA]

I am starting to view mechanical watches and 1911’s similarly: you have to know something about how they work, what makes them not work well, and how to get them working better to fully appreciate them.

[Trooper224]

I am starting to view mechanical watches and 1911’s similarly: you have to know something about how they work, what makes them not work well, and how to get them working better to fully appreciate them.

You may be right. If you're afraid to turn a screw or replace an o-ring, niether one is probably for you.

[rojocorsa]

I just got my hands on a brand new, unfired Tisas 1911A1 ASF for review.

https://twitter.com/pfitch45/status/1768497115817226413

Fit and finish is nice, not a lot of chatter or tool marks on the inside. I hope it shoots as good as it looks (for a basic style USGI 1911).

[Stephanie B]

I just got my hands on a brand new, unfired Tisas 1911A1 ASF for review.

https://twitter.com/pfitch45/status/1768497115817226413

Fit and finish is nice, not a lot of chatter or tool marks on the inside. I hope it shoots as good as it looks (for a basic style USGI 1911).

I am halfway tempted to get one, if only for nostalgia from my days in the service, but not if it’s a real POS.

[rojocorsa]

Taking it down, it looks good and clean on the inside. Titanium firing pin.

The sights are trash but we all know this. But on the surface it seems well-made. I wish I were a trained gunsmith to be better understand the critical dimensions.

With a sub-$500 MRSP it does seem nicer to me than those old USGI clones, the Mil Specs that springfield used to sell (IDK if they still do).

[Wonder9]

I bought the basic "Service" Govt. model last week and finally got it out to the range today. Put 150 rounds of Magtech and S&B FMJ through it with no issues and ejection is textbook. Quite frankly, I'm impressed by the fit and finish for a 1911 that costs less than a case of .45Auto.

I'm seriously debating getting one of their 9mm Commanders because reasons.

[HeavyDuty]

I threw a full Wilson 316G respring kit and their plunger kit into my JSOC, and I have an issue I’ve never experienced before in my years of owning working man grade 1911s - the trigger may be too light. I did absolutely nothing else to it, and the trigger pull dropped from a measured 4.75 to 5 down to a very consistent 3 pounds.

This just seems too light to me. Opinions?

[Amp]

For a range gun only that's fine and up to you, for a carry gun, I like a trigger in the 4-4.5lb range.

[SecondsCount]

I threw a full Wilson 316G respring kit and their plunger kit into my JSOC, and I have an issue I’ve never experienced before in my years of owning working man grade 1911s - the trigger may be too light. I did absolutely nothing else to it, and the trigger pull dropped from a measured 4.75 to 5 down to a very consistent 3 pounds.

This just seems too light to me. Opinions?
It sounds like the mainspring is lighter in the Wilson kit. You could swap the original one in to see if that gets it back to where you want.

[Jim Watson]

That much change says "sear spring" to me. The Wilson sear spring may be less stiff or less curved than stock.

[Robinson]

I threw a full Wilson 316G respring kit and their plunger kit into my JSOC, and I have an issue I’ve never experienced before in my years of owning working man grade 1911s - the trigger may be too light. I did absolutely nothing else to it, and the trigger pull dropped from a measured 4.75 to 5 down to a very consistent 3 pounds.

This just seems too light to me. Opinions?

My Wilsons, including my carry gun, all have triggers right around 3.75# and I don't think I would want them to be any lighter than that. Actually a 4# trigger is pretty reasonable. A 3# trigger would be lighter than what I am used to.

[Stephanie B]

That much change says "sear spring" to me. The Wilson sear spring may be less stiff or less curved than stock.

A little bit of "bendology" might fix that.

[HeavyDuty]

A little bit of "bendology" might fix that.

That’s what I’m thinking. I’ll do some YT creeping.

[Stephanie B]

That’s what I’m thinking. I’ll do some YT creeping.

When I put in the SFS kit, the trigger pull was far too light for my taste. So I bent the leaf a little. Did that also for the leaf that pushes on the grip safety to keep it from rattling.

The part's cheap enough if you get overly-enthusiastic and break it.

[Trooper224]

That’s what I’m thinking. I’ll do some YT creeping.

When I put Cylinder & Slide sear springs in my two pistols, it drooped the triggers to well below three pounds. Adjustment (bendage) of the left and center legs of the springs cured that. These are the legs that power the sear (left) and disconnector (center). It doesn't take much.

Most aftermarket sear springs are advertised as lowering the pull weight. In the case of the C&S it's a full 1.5 pounds, so this wasn't a surprise.

[Trooper224]

Today, I fired a couple of new ammo types through my Tank Commander.

The first were some generic remington HPs. I got these from ammo I've been recycling. I'd obtained about six hundred rounds of "remanufactured" ammo from my boss at work. They were "my buddy who reloads" type of stuff he'd bought from one of our coworkers who fancies himself a gun guru, but is in fact a dipshit. After a couple of kabooms, one of which neccesitated me replacing the extractor in the bosses Glock, he gave me the remainder.

I've been pulling them and recycling everything but the powder. There were around two hundred of these HPs that vaguely resemble the Hornady Critical Defense/Duty bullets sans polymer plug. They all fed fine without issue. I was about tweny rounds shy of a full box, so I dug out some cast lead SWCs I had lying around. These also fed without issue, but an unusual amount of leading resulted from just twenty rounds.

I've read elsewhere of less than spectacular results with lead bullets in these pistols, primarily due to lack of lead-in on the lands on the barrels rifling. The 9mm barrel seems to have enough lead-in to my eyeball guage, but the results don't lie. The smoke was also rather epic. I don't shoot plain lead bullets in anything anymore, and polymer coated bullets don't leave anything that thirty seconds with a brush wrapped in copper chore boy can't cure. Plated bullets are also fine.

I've stopped reloading for 9mm all together, so it's irrelevant to me. But, be aware if you're doggedly sticking to cast lead.

[rojocorsa]

I bought the basic "Service" Govt. model last week and finally got it out to the range today. Put 150 rounds of Magtech and S&B FMJ through it with no issues and ejection is textbook. Quite frankly, I'm impressed by the fit and finish for a 1911 that costs less than a case of .45Auto.

I'm seriously debating getting one of their 9mm Commanders because reasons.


I shot the 1911A1 ASF yesterday afternoon. I too am impressed with the fit and finish across the board. However the grip safety burrowed into my hand and after 166 rounds, I had to scrub my DNA off the gun.

Other than that, there's something to these guns. Trigger was actually surprisingly nice and crisp. This pistol broke around 4lbs 9oz. The sights are what they are.

Out of 166 rounds, I had two stoppages and Im not sure if it's because the gun is brand new or the mag or both ~ both times it was the Fiocchi 230 ball. My 200gr LSWC with the classic 4.3gr Clays worked just fine, all 50 of them.

This is the 3rd Tisas gun I've reviewed and the one with the least stoppages across the board. I'm curious as to whether the parkerizing helps as opposed to Cerakote and other finishes on critical tolerances.



There were around two hundred of these HPs that vaguely resemble the Hornady Critical Defense/Duty bullets sans polymer plug. They all fed fine without issue.

Sounds like Hornady HAP, their premium match bullet offering.

[HeavyDuty]

I started diagnosing my lighter than air JSOC today while stuck muted on work calls. I was getting hammer follow about 20% of the time. This is the one with the Wilson canned spring kit.

I did some light sear spring reforming, no better. So, I started reinstalling Tisas springs - first the hammer spring (still followed) and then adding in the sear spring which solved the issue. This left me with a 5.2# trigger.

Next step is reinstalling the Wilson reduced hammer spring and seeing if I get follow. If I don’t, I’m going to relieve the left side of the Wilson sear spring to remove any chance of frame drag and then start going Gumby on it. I’m not willing to admit defeat yet, and the ambi safety is getting easier to remove.

[HeavyDuty]

I stuffed the Wilson hammer spring back in, so at the moment the only non-Wilson spring in the JSOC is the Tisas sear spring. This gives me a very consistent 5# trigger and no hammer follow.

Next step is figuring out how to tune the Wilson sear spring or trying another. Does anyone have favorite sear springs? I’ve heard EGW relieves the left side to prevent frame drag.

[Trooper224]

I stuffed the Wilson hammer spring back in, so at the moment the only non-Wilson spring in the JSOC is the Tisas sear spring. This gives me a very consistent 5# trigger and no hammer follow.

Next step is figuring out how to tune the Wilson sear spring or trying another. Does anyone have favorite sear springs? I’ve heard EGW relieves the left side to prevent frame drag.

Cylinder & Slide

[Trooper224]

Note: I was getting an erratic ejection pattern with both pistols. There was a slight bit of extractor clocking on both. I replaced one firing pin stop with a Wilson oversized fps. This didn't work, since the supposedly oversized stop was the same size case the factory part. I wound up using Harrison oversized fps's in both the Stingray and the Tank Commander. These were truly oversized, required fitting and solved the issue.

[D-der]

Note: I was getting an erratic ejection pattern with both pistols. There was a slight bit of extractor clocking on both. I replaced one firing pin stop with a Wilson oversized fps. This didn't work, since the supposedly oversized stop was the same size case the factory part. I wound up using Harrison oversized fps's in both the Stingray and the Tank Commander. These were truly oversized, required fitting and solved the issue.

I'd found the same issue with a Bullet Proof fps in my Stingray, it required minimal fitting, is better that the OE but still a little loose.

[Trooper224]

I'd found the same issue with a Bullet Proof fps in my Stingray, it required minimal fitting, is better that the OE but still a little loose.

The one I tried dropped right in and miced out to the same specs as the factory part. I'm not specifically bagging on Wilson, as I've used their FPS before. But, I think it's might be another example of the generous tolerances used by Tisas.

[Tokarev]

Some MUESOC clone info:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsg-2hWMnUA

[HeavyDuty]

It was .45 AARP day at the range for me yesterday, and I was able to start function testing the JSOC. Only 100 rounds of ball, but no issues so far. I wasn’t able to check the ejection pattern due to cases bouncing off the divider.

One thing I need to run down for my own curiosity is that the grip bushings may be slightly too far forward. The used wood VZ panels I picked up overhang the front strap checkering by a few thou, nothing that causes issues but a little odd. If it really bothers me I can sand back the front edge of the grip panels, but I didn’t feel it at all during the short range session.

I got in new sear springs, I’ll pop one in and see what it does for me.

[Tokarev]

Another Tisas at a good price:

https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/411560877/tisas+1911+duty+.45+acp+cerakote+two+tone+finish+e xclusive?trk_msg=img1g2lprotk56lgqcmm4fm1k8&trk_contact=c8q72j44pooublq49frtevq938&trk_sid=pj6s60snuicceu36g2qg5q6b74&trk_link=g6vgrkk5dif4d0v097mu7b5oe4&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=$399.99&utm_campaign=bgsgds032824

[Tokarev]

Bud's has a good price yet again.

https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/411560701/sds+imports+1911+service+special+45acp+grey+5?trk_ msg=k5u2230aldvkn3lfgssgr4d34s&trk_contact=c8q72j44pooublq49frtevq938&trk_sid=3kp096b2tsfdcbvmitptfkkstg&trk_link=l1hua1mksl1kd07k3vf6pod61o

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[VT1032]

Another Tisas at a good price:

https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/411560877/tisas+1911+duty+.45+acp+cerakote+two+tone+finish+e xclusive?trk_msg=img1g2lprotk56lgqcmm4fm1k8&trk_contact=c8q72j44pooublq49frtevq938&trk_sid=pj6s60snuicceu36g2qg5q6b74&trk_link=g6vgrkk5dif4d0v097mu7b5oe4&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=$399.99&utm_campaign=bgsgds032824I almost got that one but ended up noticing this for $20 more: https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/411561146/tisas+1911+duty+.45+acp+5+black+g10+grips+8+1

Seems like a steal for what all it comes with. Price seems to have gone up a bit since this afternoon though.

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[Wonder9]

I hit the 250 round mark on my Service model yesterday and it's been running like a sewing machine. I know the number is really low for P-F Standards, but it's been a nice journey so far. Plus no itch to change anything because it just works.

The biggest problem is that I really don't want to shoot anything else. It's such a fun gun to shoot and I hate I put off 1911s for so long.

[Ethang]

I gambled on one of the new double stack 9mm, fit and finish were solid, lock up was great, accuracy was solid...reliability is lacking. It has extractor issues, is over sprung for a 9mm and not sure the factory magazines are in spec. It did not come close to passing the 10-8 test, and has not gotten better with hand cycling and 500 rounds of Nato spec 9mm. I am going to put another extractor and plate in, change the springs and see if that works. If not, factory parts are going back in and it will go back to Tisas.

[MountainRaven]

Which Tisas 9mm double-stack?

Nightstalker? 5-inch? 4.25-inch?

[Ethang]

Which Tisas 9mm double-stack?

Nightstalker? 5-inch? 4.25-inch?

5 inch Duty...I should have waited for the MAC...

[Trooper224]

The Tank Commander passed the 2500 round mark today. It's chugging right along.

[Ethang]

The Tank Commander passed the 2500 round mark today. It's chugging right along.

Thanks for rubbing it in... :p

[Trooper224]

Thanks for rubbing it in... :p

Choices and consequences, choices and consequences.

[Wonder9]

So I jumped into the 9mm 1911 pool this weekend.

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First 9 rounds of S&B 124 at 15 yards. I guarantee any of y'all could have kept them all on the bulleye.

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Ran 150 rounds of S&B and Magtech through it. Had two failures to feed, but it's related to one of the magazines. The feed lips are slightly too close, and the FTFs went away when I spread them a hair. LGS was out of 9mm 1911 mags, so had to work with only those two magazines. Trigger is super nice and ejection passed the 10-8 test.

[Gary1911A1]

Wonder9, I got the railed version of your Tisas. I replaced all the springs, put in a Wilson Bullet Proof Magazine Release which is slightly extended and replaced the ambi safeties with a Wilson Single Sided Thumb Safety. Mine also shoots well with a trigger much improved by a good cleaning and a Wilson Sear Spring.

[Tokarev]

Another thing that seems to be a good deal.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/tisas-1911-duty-45-acp-5-8rd-pistol-ss-black-10100551.html

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[Wonder9]

So I jumped into the 9mm 1911 pool this weekend.
SNIP


Finally got the Commander out to the range again today. I ordered five 9-round Mec-Gars and two 10-round Mec-Gars to go with the two OEM Checkmates. Shot 209 rounds of Magtech/S&B/Prvi through it. No problems at all. Brings round count up to 359.

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I did adjust the grip safety tension on the mainspring for more tension though. I think I'm going to ditch the ambi-safety for a Wilson standard, some Hogue panels, and leave it alone.

[jh9]

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Is that a ramped, 9-round Metalform magazine?

[Wonder9]

Is that a ramped, 9-round Metalform magazine?

No, ID on baseplates:

USGI-style are Mec-Gar 9-rounds

Standard size polymer base plates are the Checkmates

Largest polymer base plates are the Mec-Gar 10-rounds

I really like the 10-round Mec-Gars because they feed, load easy, and have the anti-friction coating.

[JustAnotherPatriot]

I bought one of the Tank Commanders about a year ago. Went through it and changed out the trigger, Lok grips, springs, guide rod, grip safety, hammer, and safety's. It has run with no bobbles after about 400 rounds so far. Only thing I really want to change still is the sights. The gun was so cheap, even with the added parts, still didn't spend as much as you would on a Colt or Springfield. Love shooting this thing, and don't have to worry about beating it up.

[Wonder9]

Went back to the range today since I got some free 1997 production Win M882 that was corroded as hell from sitting in a covered barn for 20+ years. Some had black corrosion so bad, they would not chamber even in a Beretta 92 barrel. I basically resorted to cleaning them in white vinegar and salt to clear it all off. Shot 150 rounds of that which resulted in 4 failure to fires due to dead primers. Other 146 rounds fired, but very inconsistent accuracy due to storage. Went into the shop, bought 100 rounds of S&B 124, and fired them off with no issues with normal accuracy.

So round count is at 605 rounds after the four dead rounds and two FTEs due to a magazine issue. Easily becoming one of my favorite handguns.

[Tokarev]

News about SDS which is Tisas USA's parent company:

SDS Imports Hires Christopher DiCenso as CEO

SDS Imports, the internationally recognized firearms manufacturer that provides high quality firearms at unrivaled value is pleased to announce that the company has hired Christoper DiCenso as the company’s CEO.

Chris brings over thirty years of experience to SDS, and most recently was a Managing Partner at Growth Strategy Partners where he specialized in helping mostly firearm and related companies accelerate their revenue, profit, and organizational growth. Chris has been the President of Camfour, started his career as a manufacturing engineer at Sturm Ruger, and competes regularly in IDPA, USPSA and 3-Gun matches.

”I met SDS Imports when I was the President of Camfour and was impressed with the company’s product offering, but more importantly their longer term view on customer relationships. SDS has a very strong foundation and I look forward to working with the owners and team.”

SDS Imports has five impressive firearm brands under its umbrella, Tisas USA, Tokarev USA, MAC, Inglis, and Spandau Arms, all which Chris twill look to help grow their sales and reach in the United States firearm market space.

Since 2017 the founding partners of SDS Imports have leaned on their experience in importation, manufacturing, and engineering to ensure a successful entry into the United States markets for these brands, and now with Chris’s unique set of skills will look to continue their company’s growth.

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[Stephanie B]

News about SDS which is Tisas USA's parent company:

SDS Imports Hires Christopher DiCenso as CEO

SDS Imports, the internationally recognized firearms manufacturer that provides high quality firearms at unrivaled value is pleased to announce that the company has hired Christoper DiCenso as the company’s CEO.

Chris brings over thirty years of experience to SDS, and most recently was a Managing Partner at Growth Strategy Partners where he specialized in helping mostly firearm and related companies accelerate their revenue, profit, and organizational growth. Chris has been the President of Camfour, started his career as a manufacturing engineer at Sturm Ruger, and competes regularly in IDPA, USPSA and 3-Gun matches.

”I met SDS Imports when I was the President of Camfour and was impressed with the company’s product offering, but more importantly their longer term view on customer relationships. SDS has a very strong foundation and I look forward to working with the owners and team.”

SDS Imports has five impressive firearm brands under its umbrella, Tisas USA, Tokarev USA, MAC, Inglis, and Spandau Arms, all which Chris twill look to help grow their sales and reach in the United States firearm market space.

Since 2017 the founding partners of SDS Imports have leaned on their experience in importation, manufacturing, and engineering to ensure a successful entry into the United States markets for these brands, and now with Chris’s unique set of skills will look to continue their company’s growth.

Is this a good thing or is this just the usual C-suite gobbledygook?

[HeavyDuty]

I started diagnosing my lighter than air JSOC today while stuck muted on work calls. I was getting hammer follow about 20% of the time. This is the one with the Wilson canned spring kit.

I did some light sear spring reforming, no better. So, I started reinstalling Tisas springs - first the hammer spring (still followed) and then adding in the sear spring which solved the issue. This left me with a 5.2# trigger.

Next step is reinstalling the Wilson reduced hammer spring and seeing if I get follow. If I don’t, I’m going to relieve the left side of the Wilson sear spring to remove any chance of frame drag and then start going Gumby on it. I’m not willing to admit defeat yet, and the ambi safety is getting easier to remove.


I stuffed the Wilson hammer spring back in, so at the moment the only non-Wilson spring in the JSOC is the Tisas sear spring. This gives me a very consistent 5# trigger and no hammer follow.

Next step is figuring out how to tune the Wilson sear spring or trying another. Does anyone have favorite sear springs? I’ve heard EGW relieves the left side to prevent frame drag.

Finally got this resolved. I put in a new WC bulletproof series sear spring, and now have a nice consistent 4.25# trigger with no hammer follow. The springs ended up being a dog’s breakfast - Wolff main and recoil, Wilson plunger, magazine catch and sear springs. No Tisas springs left.

[Tokarev]

Is this a good thing or is this just the usual C-suite gobbledygook?Who knows? The fellow seems to have been around the Industry for awhile so he should be well versed in marketing and sales and QC and warranty practices. Or maybe he can't keep a job and keeps getting canned.

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[Wonder9]

Mini Review: Tisas Duty 9mm w/ 1913 Rail (B9R)

So a trip to a gun shop for a H2 Buffer turned into a Tisas B9R. I wanted a Govt model in 9mm since I have a Govt in 45 and Commander in 9mm. I was more set on a USGI style, but the B9R is basically a black Raider clone so I swiped the plastic. Plus I want a 1911 with a 1913 rail. Cleaned it and got to the range today. Ended up shooting 200 rounds of S&B/Prvi/Fiocchi in 115 and 124. I had 3 FTFs out of the 200 rounds as pictured after a few rapid fire magazines.

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Accuracy wasn't bad, but not as good as my Commander. This was the first 75 rounds at 15 yards. I was getting better towards the end of the session getting the hold right, but despite the lack of recoil, seemed lacking in accuracy consistency.

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Other observations:

- The trigger is heavy. Trigger pull is in the 5.5-6lb range. May be contributing to poorer accuracy.
- Ejection is inconsistent with a good amount of brass to face.
- The trigger has a good amount of vertical play. May end up getting a short trigger to replace it.
- The slide has some horizontal movement to the left. The top left-side frame rail has wear that is absent on the top right-side frame rail.
- Hammer sounds crunchy/creaky when cocked. Will get into the innards to check for burrs/binding
- I think I may invest in a TLR-9 specifically for this 1911.
- Shooting a steel Govt 9mm feels more like the Time Crisis light gun instead of an actual firearm.

Overall, a little disappointed in the B9R in comparison to the Carry 9mm & Service 45. Will need some work, but it's a $450 1911.

[Joe in PNG]

I'm getting really tempted to get a railed B9R as the backup for my Colt.

[Tokarev]

A review of the military clone.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/review-tisas-1911-a1-asf/

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[Wonder9]

After yesterday's range trip, I decided to do some tinkering on the B9R. I adjusted the sear spring to get the trigger down to 3.5lbs and took some tension off the extractor. Went back to the range and shot 170 more rounds through it. No malfunctions and ejection improved quite a bit. Still had occasional BTF, so will take some more tension off.

Accuracy was only slightly better despite the much improved trigger. I really think this may benefit from accurizing since it just can't keep up with my Commander and Govts.

[Trooper224]

After yesterday's range trip, I decided to do some tinkering on the B9R. I adjusted the sear spring to get the trigger down to 3.5lbs and took some tension off the extractor. Went back to the range and shot 170 more rounds through it. No malfunctions and ejection improved quite a bit. Still had occasional BTF, so will take some more tension off.

Accuracy was only slightly better despite the much improved trigger. I really think this may benefit from accurizing since it just can't keep up with my Commander and Govts.

BTF has nothing to do with tension. It's happening because the extractor is clocking in its channel. You'll have to fit an oversized firing pin stop it correct it. Harrisons oversize FPS was what I used on both of my pistols.

The best thing you can do for accuracy is to replace the bushing. I used EGWs gunsmith fit bushing on both of mine with good results.

[TDA]

Damn, some of these deals are pretty difficult to ignore;

https://palmettostatearmory.com/tisas-1911a1-us-army-45-acp-5-7rd-pistol-cerakote-w-walnut-grips-sds1911a1us.html?utm_medium=email&utm_source=daily_deals&utm_campaign=pm&utm_term=04-30-2024&utm_content=51655158071

[Robinson]

Damn, some of these deals are pretty difficult to ignore;

https://palmettostatearmory.com/tisas-1911a1-us-army-45-acp-5-7rd-pistol-cerakote-w-walnut-grips-sds1911a1us.html?utm_medium=email&utm_source=daily_deals&utm_campaign=pm&utm_term=04-30-2024&utm_content=51655158071

Wow!

[TDA]

Another thing that seems to be a good deal.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/tisas-1911-duty-45-acp-5-8rd-pistol-ss-black-10100551.html

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You got me, I bought one. Report to follow.

[Tokarev]

Still had occasional BTF, so will take some more tension off.


You may want to check the nose of the extractor and see if it is making contact against the case.

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[Wonder9]

You may want to check the nose of the extractor and see if it is making contact against the case.

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I think Trooper224 was on the money because the FPS was pretty loose in it's pocket. I ordered an EGW oversized FPS and fit it. Since it was my first time fitting a FPS, I took slightly too much off in the part where the extractor rides, giving the extractor just enough room to still clock slightly. That said, it did improve ejection quite a bit and the BTF settled down a lot. I ordered another FPS to replace the replacement. :o

I did shoot another 200 rounds through it after the EGW replacement with no malfunctions including a new shooter firing 50 of them.

[HeavyDuty]

I think Trooper224 was on the money because the FPS was pretty loose in it's pocket. I ordered an EGW oversized FPS and fit it. Since it was my first time fitting a FPS, I took slightly too much off in the part where the extractor rides, giving the extractor just enough room to still clock slightly. That said, it did improve ejection quite a bit and the BTF settled down a lot. I ordered another FPS to replace the replacement. :o

I did shoot another 200 rounds through it after the EGW replacement with no malfunctions including a new shooter firing 50 of them.

How loose are we talking? I assume if I pull the FP and FP spring then slide the FPS back in, there should be no noticeable wiggle?

[Wonder9]

How loose are we talking? I assume if I pull the FP and FP spring then slide the FPS back in, there should be no noticeable wiggle?

On the OEM FPS, you could move it when locked into place with a punch and it moved loosly when the FP and Spring were removed. In comparison, the EGW is tighter than a vault with the lockup. Just slightly too much material removed in the extractor channel of the FPS.

[TDA]

It runs fine. I appreciate the checkering, the sights, and the ambi safety. It’s a lot of 1911 for $400.

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[Gary1911A1]

I recently ordered two sets of Tisas U Notch Rear and Fiber Optic Front Sights which I plan on putting on two Tisas with Novak like sights. Hope I can get it done with my MGW Sight Tool. https://tisasusa.com/tisas-1911-sight-set-green-fiber-optic-front-u-notch-rear/

[Trooper224]

I recently ordered two sets of Tisas U Notch Rear and Fiber Optic Front Sights which I plan on putting on two Tisas with Novak like sights. Hope I can get it done with my MGW Sight Tool. https://tisasusa.com/tisas-1911-sight-set-green-fiber-optic-front-u-notch-rear/

I replaced my Stingrays sights with the MGW tool. I soaked it with Kroil and let it sit for twenty four hours. The MGW wouldn't budge it on removal. I resulted to driving the sight off with a steel punch and hammer. After removing a bit of material from the bottom of the new sight, it went on using the MGW without incident. The front sights swapped without issue, using the MGW.

Just be willing to trash the original sight. I think Tisas installs their sights with an arbor press, they're really on there.

[TDA]

The non standard dovetails are really important to meeting my requirement that every 1911 I own be unsatisfactory in some really minor but very specific, concrete way.

[Trooper224]

The non standard dovetails are really important to meeting my requirement that every 1911 I own be unsatisfactory in some really minor but very specific, concrete way.

Everything else is pretty standard. Nothing else revealed any unexpected drama during fitting. But, why would you use a non-standard dovetail on the most modified pistol in history? Especially when the sights are the most commonly replaced parts on a 1911.

So far, it's the only real fail I've seen.

[Trooper224]

Over 3k rounds on the Tank Commander as of today. Solid, with a complete lack of drama.

Last weekend I used it for qualification at the Old Retired Geezer Shoot. The Range Master asked if they let me carry it at the courthouse. When I said no he replied, "Well they should!" 😀

[G19Fan]

Over 3k rounds on the Tank Commander as of today. Solid, with a complete lack of drama.

Last weekend I used it for qualification at the Old Retired Geezer Shoot. The Range Master asked if they let me carry it at the courthouse. When I said no he replied, "Well they should!" 😀

I love my alpha foxtrot but keep getting tempted on a tank commander

[Trooper224]

I love my alpha foxtrot but keep getting tempted on a tank commander

At $400 how tempting does it have to get?

[G19Fan]

At $400 how tempting does it have to get?

Ha true. Just not sure I need another 1911 style as I rarely shoot anything vs a p365.

[Trooper224]

Ha true. Just not sure I need another 1911 style as I rarely shoot anything vs a p365.

That sounds........sad.

[G19Fan]

That sounds........sad.

Ha! Can see how that would seem sad. I am lucky that I really enjoy shooting a p365.

I have been experimenting with lots of random guns but tend to just gravitate to shooting a p365 (drills and on timer, tons of other guns I rather shoot if stuck on a indoor no rapid fire range)

But it does feel un-American to not own a 1911 of some flavor haha

[Stephanie B]

But it does feel un-American to not own a 1911 of some flavor haha

It is un-American. Here's your card.

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[G19Fan]

It is un-American. Here's your card.

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Well gonna have to remedy that won't we

[HeavyDuty]

It is un-American. Here's your card.

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For not having a Turkish pistol?

[Lost River]

Ha true. Just not sure I need another 1911 style as I rarely shoot anything vs a p365.

That is just not right.

Grab a 1911. It does not have to be a Tisas. It can be a Springer, an older Kimber, or a Ruger (the Rugers I have handled I have been extremely impressed with and I think they are true sleepers in the 1911 market), or a Colt. Shoot the snot out of it and enjoy it. You don't have to carry it if you don't want to, but you are truly missing out by not owning one. It is like having apple pie without the ice cream.



https://i.imgur.com/XXYCXvHh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/dXNbRh8h.jpg

.45 ACP revolvers are pretty fun too. :cool:


https://i.imgur.com/pGlPK0xh.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/YMIqM0Sh.jpg

[Stephanie B]

For not having a Turkish pistol?

For not having a 1911. JMB,Jr, hisself, is giving you an eyeroll.

[G19Fan]

That is just not right.

Grab a 1911. It does not have to be a Tisas. It can be a Springer, an older Kimber, or a Ruger (the Rugers I have handled I have been extremely impressed with and I think they are true sleepers in the 1911 market), or a Colt. Shoot the snot out of it and enjoy it. You don't have to carry it if you don't want to, but you are truly missing out by not owning one. It is like having apple pie without the ice cream.



https://i.imgur.com/XXYCXvHh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/dXNbRh8h.jpg

.45 ACP revolvers are pretty fun too. :cool:


https://i.imgur.com/pGlPK0xh.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/YMIqM0Sh.jpg

I should have mentioned at one time I owned a few 1911s but then sold them all (primarily cause at the time they weren't getting shot) I do like the ruger 1911 I had

It does feel like the collection is missing something without a 1911

[G19Fan]

That is just not right.

Grab a 1911. It does not have to be a Tisas. It can be a Springer, an older Kimber, or a Ruger (the Rugers I have handled I have been extremely impressed with and I think they are true sleepers in the 1911 market), or a Colt. Shoot the snot out of it and enjoy it. You don't have to carry it if you don't want to, but you are truly missing out by not owning one. It is like having apple pie without the ice cream.



https://i.imgur.com/XXYCXvHh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/dXNbRh8h.jpg

.45 ACP revolvers are pretty fun too. :cool:


https://i.imgur.com/pGlPK0xh.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/YMIqM0Sh.jpg

Love the wear on that first 1911

[Gary1911A1]

That is just not right.

Grab a 1911. It does not have to be a Tisas. It can be a Springer, an older Kimber, or a Ruger (the Rugers I have handled I have been extremely impressed with and I think they are true sleepers in the 1911 market), or a Colt. Shoot the snot out of it and enjoy it. You don't have to carry it if you don't want to, but you are truly missing out by not owning one. It is like having apple pie without the ice cream.



https://i.imgur.com/XXYCXvHh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/dXNbRh8h.jpg

.45 ACP revolvers are pretty fun too. :cool:


https://i.imgur.com/pGlPK0xh.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/YMIqM0Sh.jpg

You and me could defiantly be good friends.:D

[Tokarev]

I'd think Tisas could pretty readily clone this.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240528/ceaa4d13355f24b90e867dfe42d41734.jpg

As was already mentioned, the Tisas Stakeout is close. It would need ambi safety and a lanyard loop MSH added. And the rubber stocks.

Would the more modern beavertail and the dovetailed front sight be a deal breaker?

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[Tokarev]

https://youtu.be/Eru0mhVHmAc?si=7EmuSLOeFTf4GG9l

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[Archimagirus]

Finally got my B9R Carry to the range today.

Positives:
It seemed to be magazine agnostic, it worked with Wilson, Mecgar and Checkmate magazines with no issues.
It was quite accurate, shots when where I wanted them to go with ease.
Trigger had a little creep but not too bad.

Negatives:
Failed the 10-8 test HARD. It had 4 failures out of 10 shots.
I really miss having some checkering on the front and back straps.
The magazine release was bad as well. I was not able to release the magazines with either hand while gripping the pistol, I would have to lay it on the bench to get enough pressure on the button to release it.

All in all, not a bad gun for what I paid for it. Replace the magazine catch and tune the extractor/ ejector and get a hi-viz front sight and it will be good to go.

[Slice]

These have recently flooded the streets for around $300, even under $300 during holiday sales. Reports seem to be favorable, and there was some interest in them when I mentioned the "Raider" model in the M45A1 thread, so I'm creating this thread for people to gather and share information.

Kyle Reese bought a 9mm "Duty" model, which is their 5" steel frame, and we just got back from shooting it. We didn't put a whole lot through it due to only having two mags, maybe 100 rounds or so. No malfunctions today.

I own a 1911 but I'm not a well educated or experienced 1911 guy, but here's my observations:

Fit and finish seemed good. No bad machining marks. The slide felt VERY smooth on the rails. The trigger was slightly cleaner than my series 80 Colt, about comparable to any rack grade series 70, though perhaps a tad heavier. Note that my Colt is well broken in but this gun is brand new, so that could change. Accuracy was acceptable; we did not bench measured groups.

Recoil was very soft. The recoil spring felt pretty light, and the gun recoils so softly that you can feel it go "ker'chunk" in the recoil cycle as it bottoms out and goes forward into battery. This is not necessarily unique among steel 5" 1911s in 9mm, but I wanted to mention it for the sake of being complete.

Things I didn't like: the finish (cerakote?) is very slippy but the slide serrations work well, so it's not an issue. The grips are complete garbage, and you should buy replacement grips before you even take the gun out of the box. They're very slippery and offer no grip...I was having trouble with this, though Kyle seemed to be doing okay with his sasquatch paws. The safety worked fine, but was not as positive as my Colt. It takes a bit more of a deliberate "snap" to manipulate my Colt's safety, whereas the TISAS was on the weak side, though I didn't find it to inadvertantly engage/disengage.

All in all, for $300, initial impressions are that's a hell of a gun he found. Definitely a brand worth paying attention to, and I'd like to collect more information to establish a track record.

I think Tisas 1911s may be the best deal going for a budget 1911 .45. I fired this group with mine today from a 20 yard rest. I’m not sure if I just got a rare good one or not, but mine is a great shooter. Would like to see what kind of accuracy others are getting.

[Tokarev]

It looks like the CMP guns are available to order.

https://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/cmp-tisas-m1911a1-pistol/

[Tokarev]

Fathers' Day Sale

https://palmettostatearmory.com/tisas-1911a1-us-army-45-acp-5-7rd-pistol-cerakote-w-walnut-grips-sds1911a1us.html

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[Tokarev]

Something I saw posted on another forum is that the Tisas front straps are too thin to accept checkering. Can someone take calipers and get a thickness measurement just for the knowledge?

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[swampyank33]

Finally got the JSOC out to the range. Super impressed - no issues and fed 230gr HST like a champ.
Shoots great and looks cool.119683

[SecondsCount]

Finally got the JSOC out to the range. Super impressed - no issues and fed 230gr HST like a champ.
Shoots great and looks cool.119683

I am so tempted to get one.

That one has frontstrap checkering ;)

[HeavyDuty]

I am so tempted to get one.

That one has frontstrap checkering ;)

Do it! I’m really impressed with mine, too.

[Tokarev]

Sale here:

https://battlehawkarmory.com/product/tisas-1911-a1-service-45-.45-acp-5-81-black-pistol?trk_msg=JDK4N060TCGK5F7IECHANMSHEK&trk_contact=C8Q72J44POOUBLQ49FRTEVQ938&trk_sid=RPD30J4RD2PVLTAHHPVQEET0I4&trk_link=3PD9UBGG5EFKJ0CG36DHVHOA4C&eKey=ed0b730b4dea0b99e6bdc9cbb8641b93d7360a4f4f45a 60b4ea8d011fd35947f

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[CSW]

Sale here:

https://battlehawkarmory.com/product/tisas-1911-a1-service-45-.45-acp-5-81-black-pistol?trk_msg=JDK4N060TCGK5F7IECHANMSHEK&trk_contact=C8Q72J44POOUBLQ49FRTEVQ938&trk_sid=RPD30J4RD2PVLTAHHPVQEET0I4&trk_link=3PD9UBGG5EFKJ0CG36DHVHOA4C&eKey=ed0b730b4dea0b99e6bdc9cbb8641b93d7360a4f4f45a 60b4ea8d011fd35947f

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Enabler:

5" duty, a 9mm copy of my Operator, delivered for just over $400.
Found a used Fusion magwell on flea-bay, and better grips on the way. Had an old pair of Ergo-grips, on for now.
3 dot suck for me, so blacked out the rear, and orange in the front. Ambi safety is reminiscent of a Hi-power safety in feel, but seems to be getting more positive with activation.

Heavy all steel bitch should essentially have minimal recoil.

[Gary1911A1]

I read a thread on the 1911 Forum that Tisas was trying to get a license from Novak to use their sight dovetail cut. If it didn't happen maybe Dawson Precision will make sights for the Tisas dovetail cut.

[CSW]

Took the new Tisas 5" to the range today to check functionality, ejection and accuracy.
Last night I blacked out the two white dots on the rear sight, and put neon orange in the front sight.
Better.
Installed a magwell, still waiting on grips.
Started at 10 yards, 10-8 extraction test, and for accuracy.
Fired and ejection was fine, all landed in the same place.
Accuracy was acceptable, trigger was pretty good for an inexpensive gun.

121117

Target out to 15yd, double tap from the low ready. Used a 1.5 sec par.
Everything in a 8" circle.

121119

I found that the cheap magwell/MSH kept the grip safety from working, not allowing it to move outward enough to engage the safety..... It essentially pinned it. Allowed it to move, but it was always able to fire.... No Bueno.
Gonna take some fitting to be able to use it safely.

So factory MSH back in, everything works as it should.

I'm really amazed so far at this inexpensive 1911.
Hope to get to the range again this weekend to run it from a holster, for time and accuracy.

So far, just 65 rounds, zero trouble.

[CSW]

As an update, the Tisas Duty I purchased was a good idea.
I'm now at 485 rounds down range, zero issues . It's fired every single time, without fail.
Part of the reason why I purchased it was to learn more about 'Bubba-smithing" the 1911.
So far I have :
Changed the bushings and grips to slims, like all of the 1911 I own.
Fits a Nighthawk magwell, and fit the beavertail safety to it as well.
Polished all of the ignition system with a felt buffer.
Fits a new ambi safety to get rid of the thin mushy one from the factory.
It's turned out to be a solid shooter, and I plan on running it in the next outlaw match.

[HeavyDuty]

As an update, the Tisas Duty I purchased was a good idea.
I'm now at 485 rounds down range, zero issues . It's fired every single time, without fail.
Part of the reason why I purchased it was to learn more about 'Bubba-smithing" the 1911.
So far I have :
Changed the bushings and grips to slims, like all of the 1911 I own.
Fits a Nighthawk magwell, and fit the beavertail safety to it as well.
Polished all of the ignition system with a felt buffer.
Fits a new ambi safety to get rid of the thin mushy one from the factory.
It's turned out to be a solid shooter, and I plan on running it in the next outlaw match.

The Nighthawk magwell works with slim grips?

[TDA]

My 2nd one, a Tisas Aviator (a two tone aluminum framed 9mm Commander) had a rough first range trip, nothing but puking. Wilson, Kimber, and OEM mags produced stoppages with American Eagle, but a box of 147 grain FMJ flat point had snuck into the range bag. All I could really do on the line was a couple of shots of CLP. I’ll see how it does after actual standard 1911 cleaning and lubricant. It seems like it came out of the box with different grease in different places than the Tisas Duty.

[Dr_Nimslow]

I'm having the "devil on one shoulder, angel on the other" trying to convince myself I don't "need" a Tisas stakeout 9mm/.38 Super. And then from out of left field comes the "why not a 10mm, go big or go home""..

[awp_101]

Fuck. I need another gun wantsy like a hole in the head.
Which is why I ignored this thread for so long. Then it came up in a search this morning and like an idiot I opened it without thinking... :eek:

[CSW]

The Nighthawk magwell works with slim grips?


Certainly does.

123214

[CSW]

123215

[HeavyDuty]

This might be the way to go on my 1911X - thanks!

[awp_101]

Has anyone tried replacing the grip safety on an Aviator with a BTGS? Specifically a Wilson BTGS? IIRC there’s 2-3 different grip safety radius possibilities depending on the frame specs Tisas followed.

I found out the hard way the WC hammer and grip safety I have on hand wouldn’t fit the Fusion I had for a short time which are rumored to be built on Turkish sourced frames.

[Dr_Nimslow]

Since I have poor impulse control, and I lacked a .38 Super in the safe, I picked up a Stakeout 9mm/.38 Super.

Short triggers are a must for me with 1911's, so while I had it apart, I added a Harrison slide stop and extended safety. Now I need some loud grips, and I'll have to figure out something for sights. The nickel sights are less than great for my eyes.


https://i.imgur.com/4kDJbzw.jpg

[CSW]

Replaced the sights on the Duty to the Tisas u notch/fiber optic.

123550
123551

[Dr_Nimslow]

Got a little "bling" for the stakeout today. Wicked grips and screws. And I added some clear skateboard grip tape to the front strap.

https://i.imgur.com/TBEzhWR.jpg

[Tokarev]

The basic GI model at what seems to be a good price:

https://palmettostatearmory.com/sds-1911-government-45-acp-5-7rd-pistol-parkerized-1911atgovt.html

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[Tokarev]

Here's kind of a neat project.

https://gunblast.com/FinksServicePistol.htm

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[Trooper224]

My pair of Tisas continue to chug along without drama, so do the pair owned by my son. Both finishes, Ceracote and parkerizing, are holding up well. (Leather holsters)

One thing of note: I've stopped chasing the ejection pattern issue. I found this varied wildly between off the shelf ball loads. I'd get it dialed in with one brand, then it would go sideways with another. I attribute this to the wide variance in 9mm ammunition. Now, as long as it gets out of the gun and doesn't hit me in the face, which none of them do, it's good enough.

[Tokarev]

More Rogers Precision Tisas work:

When the value of the whole exceeds the sum of the parts.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240917/3f4232506f17f2d9bf7a9d2300851599.jpg

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[HeavyDuty]

Certainly does.

123214

OT for this thread, but thank you for that - I wanted to put thin grips on my SIG 1911X, that worked!

[Tokarev]

Does anyone need a cheap 45 slide?

https://tisasusa.com/tisas-1911-duty-special-slide-45acp/

[TDA]

Here's kind of a neat project.

https://gunblast.com/FinksServicePistol.htm

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That opens the whole can of worms regarding whether it’s worthwhile to look for a good base gun for a custom project vs going for one of these Tisas models that incorporates a lot of previously custom features. I myself drew my credit card in under a second when I saw the FSP link, but I can’t find one for sale, just the GSP for $1900 ish.

[Tokarev]

https://youtu.be/ACSUhYrJkJs?si=h0wyn37GUqvY73Sn

[DDTSGM]

Here's kind of a neat project.

https://gunblast.com/FinksServicePistol.htm

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Read the article saw the blurb for the NeverUnarmed 8 round stainless mags.

Has anyone vetted them?

[Tokarev]

Read the article saw the blurb for the NeverUnarmed 8 round stainless mags.

Has anyone vetted them?I have no experience and don't know for sure but I'd guess these are essentially the same mags as sold by this 1911 magazine seller on ebay. He buys mags in quantity with whatever tube, follower, spring he wants from whichever vendor and sells them as his own.

https://www.ebay.com/str/joes1911magmania?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=xmjw-XPlS4-&sssrc=3418065&ssuid=JZP1nA3hSj2&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY



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[Trooper224]

Latest note:

When I was tweaking my Tank Commander I had installed an EGW oversized slide stop, to help improve the upper barrel lug/slide lock up. The barrel links pin hole is large enough that some play was eliminated, but not all. I left it in anyway.

A few hundred rounds later, I observed some rolling back off the forward edge of the barrel hood. The new slide stop was obviously effecting the actions lock time. The damage was minor, so I dressed it down and replaced the factory slide stop. Accuracy wasn't really affected either way. I'm not willing to jump down that rabbit hole with replacing the barrel link through trial and error, so it is what it is.

Just a reminder to pay attention when you're swapping parts around in an old design that's hardly plug and play.

[45dotACP]

Welp....just got a Duty 5" 9mm model.

It's already passed the 10-8 feed way and extractor tests...with no work that I did. This makes it already the most drama free 1911 I've had.

It's weirdly well thought out. It's sufficiently accurate, and I have maybe only 2 gripes, but neither are that important so I guess it's off to the matches with it.

What a fun cheap gun.

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[CSW]

Welp....just got a Duty 5" 9mm model.

It's already passed the 10-8 feed way and extractor tests...with no work that I did. This makes it already the most drama free 1911 I've had.

It's weirdly well thought out. It's sufficiently accurate, and I have maybe only 2 gripes, but neither are that important so I guess it's off to the matches with it.

What a fun cheap gun.

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That's what hooked me as well. There were a few things 'off', like the spongy P35 like safety, and the sights.
Both absolutely usable, but as I bought mine as a platform to learn how to with a 1911, both easily remedied.
Definitely worth the money spent.

[45dotACP]

That's what hooked me as well. There were a few things 'off', like the spongy P35 like safety, and the sights.
Both absolutely usable, but as I bought mine as a platform to learn how to with a 1911, both easily remedied.
Definitely worth the money spent.Yeah mine feels spongy but I don't mind. The real weird part is their "undercut" trigger guard which is nice but does need the sharp edges dressed down with a file or sand paper.

I'll probably do that and grab an EGW bushing and call it a day. The three dot sights aren't that bad and the accuracy is enough for any gun games I play.

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[CSW]

For around 50 bucks, the Tisas u notch set.

125321

125322

[Trooper224]

Replacing the plunger spring really helps with thumb safety engagement. In fact, I recommend replacing every spring in the gun. They're not of the best quality.

[Tokarev]

This seems like a good price

https://palmettostatearmory.com/tisas-1911-duty-45-acp-5-8rd-fde-10100505.html?avad=234121_a3ce480a1

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[Timbonez]

I've never seen them marked that low.

[TDA]

Each of mine were at least that low, but it’s still a really good deal. Worst case scenario is you spend $16 to re-spring the gun.

[Le Français]

Here’s the black Duty model for $399:

https://palmettostatearmory.com/tisas-1911-duty-b45-45acp-5-8rd-cerakote-black-1911-duty-b45.html

[Timbonez]

Each of mine were at least that low, but it’s still a really good deal. Worst case scenario is you spend $16 to re-spring the gun.

I'm speaking specifically on the Raider. Other Tisas models are definitely within that price range by default.

[SeriousStudent]

$300 for a cheap 19111 I can learn filework? I'm ordering one tonight.

[TDA]

I'm speaking specifically on the Raider. Other Tisas models are definitely within that price range by default.

They have the 9mm as well, same price point:
https://palmettostatearmory.com/tisas-usa-1911-raider-9mm-pistol-5-9rds-flat-dark-earth-compact-design-10100549.html

[CSW]

$300 for a cheap 19111 I can learn filework? I'm ordering one tonight.

That's exactly what I did with their 'Duty' model.

Plenty of good [and bad] videos on YouTube to figure things out.
I fit a magwell, sights, installed a new ambi and, a Wilson short trigger.

[45dotACP]

Per the recommendation by Trooper224 upthread, I installed an oversized FPS to my 9mm duty model. I had a failure to eject in which the gun had a double feed and noticed extractor clocking. Since the installation, ejection has been more consistent, passing the 10-8 test multiple times.

As per the recommendation of Trooper once again, I noticed the plunger spring was quite weak. New one inbound, as well as a recoil spring and XP firing pin spring for my peace of mind.

Hammer spring I don't think will be an issue but I have plenty of spares.

The flat bottom on the EGW firing pin stop also makes the already quite pleasant 9mm, track even flatter. Loads of fun to shoot and still ejects with consistency.

The small parts continue to amaze. The ejector is pinned, the plunger tube is well staked and secure, the barrel fit is as good as I've seen from Colt. They really ought to be worried, as this example of one has been far better than my sample of one Colt.

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[Tokarev]

Cheap!

https://palmettostatearmory.com/sds-imports-1911-duty-9mm-5-9-1rds-black-cerakote-10100531.html

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[Chuck Whitlock]

In my mind, the bobtail is a compromise solution much like an S&W J frame or a .32 auto. Not ideal, but handy enough that you live with it. I'm keeping an eye on the company. If they introduce a lightweight Commander variant with a standard frame (that isn't the Aviator), the Stingray may go into the safe as a spare.



A gold bead front and a black rear is my favored iron sight combo. This isn't the first time John has done this for me, so I'm fairly certain I'll be pleased.

Sorry for bringing this up from the way-back machine, but it stood out while I was re-reading the thread.

Could you explain what you don't like about the Aviator? In looking at it, I would personally install a Wilson drop-in beavertail grip safety and a BP thumb safety. The factory sights seem very similar to what you had John do to your tank commander, albeit with a brass bead instead of gold.

[Trooper224]

Sorry for bringing this up from the way-back machine, but it stood out while I was re-reading the thread.

Could you explain what you don't like about the Aviator? In looking at it, I would personally install a Wilson drop-in beavertail grip safety and a BP thumb safety. The factory sights seem very similar to what you had John do to your tank commander, albeit with a brass bead instead of gold.


To be honest, it's all about aesthetics. Admittedly, not a logical standpoint.

The sights are too high for my liking. And, through experience in years past I've learned that a brass bead isn't nearly as effective as gold. So, I'd wind up replacing them.

I don't like the standard Tisas thumb safety. The shelf is sharp and the back edge stands proud of the frame when it's in the down position. So, I'd replace it with something else, none of which would come close to matching the Ceracote finish. Finally, I far prefer Tisas' parked finish. They do a really good job of it, enough that I wouldn't mind seeing it as their standard finish across the product line.

So, when I look at the Aviator, it leaves me with a very "meh" feeling.

[CSW]

Shot my B5R 9mm in a match today.
Gun ran flawless.

[Chuck Whitlock]

To be honest, it's all about aesthetics. Admittedly, not a logical standpoint.

The sights are too high for my liking. And, through experience in years past I've learned that a brass bead isn't nearly as effective as gold. So, I'd wind up replacing them.

I don't like the standard Tisas thumb safety. The shelf is sharp and the back edge stands proud of the frame when it's in the down position. So, I'd replace it with something else, none of which would come close to matching the Ceracote finish. Finally, I far prefer Tisas' parked finish. They do a really good job of it, enough that I wouldn't mind seeing it as their standard finish across the product line.

So, when I look at the Aviator, it leaves me with a very "meh" feeling.

Thanks for the reply.

[Cory]

Just bumping this, because palmetto has these for pretty damn cheap on their black friday sale.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/black-friday-sales/firearms/handguns.html?caliber_multi_v2%5B0%5D=9mm&caliber_multi_v2%5B1%5D=.45+ACP&manufacturer_v2=Tisas

[Trooper224]

Just bumping this, because palmetto has these for pretty damn cheap on their black friday sale.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/black-friday-sales/firearms/handguns.html?caliber_multi_v2%5B0%5D=9mm&caliber_multi_v2%5B1%5D=.45+ACP&manufacturer_v2=Tisas

If I hadn't already maxed out this years gun budget, I'd pick up one of those Raiders. Just because.

[45dotACP]

Ran some 147gr HST through mine with the factory ACT mag and had multiple FTF in one session

Next session I used metalform 10 rounders and it was all good.

Weirdly, I decided to just use the remainder of the HST in a g34 in session 1 and the first shot was a double feed.

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[Stephanie B]

Just bumping this, because palmetto has these for pretty damn cheap on their black friday sale.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/black-friday-sales/firearms/handguns.html?caliber_multi_v2%5B0%5D=9mm&caliber_multi_v2%5B1%5D=.45+ACP&manufacturer_v2=Tisas

Their GI replica is on sale for $320.