New Beretta 80X Cheetah

[Dorsai]

I have one of the old 84BB's with Lok grips that make it much handier than the factory stocks. I finally had the opportunity to handle the 80x at my LGS yesterday and it did feel pretty good. The DA trigger pull was much better than my older gun and it was easier to run the slide. I ran the slide on both guns with the hammer down and with it cocked to rule out the mainspring influence. The 80x is definitely easier. So now I'm thinking about getting an 80x mainspring and recoil spring to see if they improve the 84BB.

[Noah]

I have one of the old 84BB's with Lok grips that make it much handier than the factory stocks. I finally had the opportunity to handle the 80x at my LGS yesterday and it did feel pretty good. The DA trigger pull was much better than my older gun and it was easier to run the slide. I ran the slide on both guns with the hammer down and with it cocked to rule out the mainspring influence. The 80x is definitely easier. So now I'm thinking about getting an 80x mainspring and recoil spring to see if they improve the 84BB.

It appears to me the slide on the 80X was made heavier to facilitate the lighter spring?

[GyroF-16]

Any updates on your 81BB vs your new 80X? I have an 81BB. Great little pistol for my wife as well. Is there any disadvantage of having an 80X instead of the 81BB? How does the recoil compare?

Been on vacation and haven’t shot either lately…
I think the only downside to the 80X is the thin supply of aftermarket/ custom parts (but that’s only because it’s so new - I hope it takes off and this market develops).
As to recoil… the factory .380 that we’ve tried in it is a little snappier than the .32, but softer than the subsonic 147gr 9mm feels in a B92 Compact M. My wife is pretty petite, and she doesn’t have any complaints with the 80X. That said, I’ve purchased components to reload some 90 gr .380 with light loads that are reported to have the same recoil as .32.
If it works, that will be great practice ammo for her.

[KG]

If it works, that will be great practice ammo for her.

Hope the loads work out. Easier slide movement will be the main reason for me to get the 80X instead of my 81BB. A 32 ACP version with a recoil spring a bit lighter than the 380 would be nice.

[GyroF-16]

Hope the loads work out. Easier slide movement will be the main reason for me to get the 80X instead of my 81BB. A 32 ACP version with a recoil spring a bit lighter than the 380 would be nice.

I concur. If Beretta offers a .32 ACP version, or a conversion kit, we will definitely buy one.

[backtrail540]

If black is too cliche and the bronze release version was a bit too flashy, it looks like they are doing an OD version soon.

https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/411561129/beretta+80x+cheetah+.380+acp+optic+ready+13+1+limi ted+green+edition

[R_Shackleford]

I concur. If Beretta offers a .32 ACP version, or a conversion kit, we will definitely buy one.

I don't think that is going to happen but the beretta 81 barrel fits in the gun. I havent tried shooting it yet but others have said it functions fine. I think the entire slide might fit on too.

[GyroF-16]

I don't think that is going to happen but the beretta 81 barrel fits in the gun. I havent tried shooting it yet but others have said it functions fine. I think the entire slide might fit on too.

That’s an intriguing idea. Do you have any more information, or source for this?
About the only thing wrong with the 81BB (in my wife’s view) is the lack of a decock function. But if the 81 barrel fits and functions in the 80X, then she could benefit from the larger sights, too.
I just wonder how the extractor would engage the .32 ACP rim on the larger breachface of the .380 slide…

[LockedBreech]

Do we know whether they're ever going to reissue the bronze launch version? I really wanted that one and didn't realize it was time-limited.

[backtrail540]

Can these be converted to DAO by removing the sear and pin like you can in a 92?

[BN]

I wonder if they'll make it in 22 LR?

[Timbonez]

Do we know whether they're ever going to reissue the bronze launch version? I really wanted that one and didn't realize it was time-limited.

I seriously doubt it. Beretta’s launch editions, 80X and 92XI, are supposed to be limited releases. Every time I found the 80X launch edition they were being sold for 50-100% more than MSRP. 92XI Launch, oddly enough was selling for just 88% of MSRP.

[R_Shackleford]

That’s an intriguing idea. Do you have any more information, or source for this?
About the only thing wrong with the 81BB (in my wife’s view) is the lack of a decock function. But if the 81 barrel fits and functions in the 80X, then she could benefit from the larger sights, too.
I just wonder how the extractor would engage the .32 ACP rim on the larger breachface of the .380 slide…
Someone on reddit said they shot it. I have an 81 barrel and an 84f and 80x. At some point I will try it. The 81 barrel is what my wife normally shoots in her 84f and that is common to swap barrels so I dont think it would be an issue in an 80x as far as the extractor. I just wish someone would make a functional optics plate now.

[GyroF-16]

Someone on reddit said they shot it. I have an 81 barrel and an 84f and 80x. At some point I will try it. The 81 barrel is what my wife normally shoots in her 84f and that is common to swap barrels so I dont think it would be an issue in an 80x as far as the extractor. I just wish someone would make a functional optics plate now.

Thanks for the additional info.

Are you aware of the Beretta offerings for RDO plates, or have you found them not to be functional?

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/collections/gun/80-series/80x-rdo-kit-holosun/

[R_Shackleford]

Thanks for the additional info.

Are you aware of the Beretta offerings for RDO plates, or have you found them not to be functional?

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/collections/gun/80-series/80x-rdo-kit-holosun/
Earlier in the thread I showed a picture of how mine worked. I contacted beretta and they stated it was a known issue with all of the plates and they had no idea when it would be corrected. They let me ship it back and get refund. Another person posted pictures after a low round count of the plate damaging their optic. Its a very poor design and execution. I'm hoping there is an aftermarket option soon otherwise Ill likely get rid of the gun.

[TheNewbie]

This is a gun that I really want to try. The optic problem is a non issue for me, because I will not be using one.


If the DA trigger pull is as good as some say, how hard would it be to make this a DAO? The same process as a 92?

[GyroF-16]

For the good of the Order:

https://berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=86229

A report from 2012 on the compatibility of Beretta 81 (.32 ACP) barrel in a Beretta 84 (.380 ACP) gun.

Apparently you need the correct double stack mag for caliber.
I’ve tested the fit by putting an 81 barrel in an 80X and cycling dummy rounds through it.

Also a report on that forum that Allegheny Arms has threaded 81 (.32 ACP) barrels for sale.

I’ll put testing the 81 barrel in the 80X on my “to do” list…. After testing and chrono-ing various .380 loads, including some of my hand loads built for reduced recoil and some high-vel HP loads.
I also have a RDO plate on the way from Beretta, as well as a Holosun HS407K from Amazon.
Placed that order before seeing the report from R_Shackleford re: Beretta RDO plates for another RDS. I’m hoping I have a better result, otherwise I’ve wasted some money.

[UNM1136]

Someone smarter than me can come along and smack me on the back of the head and school me, but doesn't the blowback method of operation make the extractor less important?

Thinking .32 vs .380.

I seem to recall magazine articles in the 80s-90s (can't cite sources) about blowback pistols and SMGs running just fine without extractors at all.

The force moving the slide back also moves the casing, Less friction because the barrel is not moving at all vis moving in two axis. Then the case head hits the ejector.

But I am not a an engineer by any means. RJ .

I want one, and in .32 the wife will get one...or two....and two for me...

Want one of these more than I want an LTT 92...

pat

[Jim Watson]

Yes, when upon occasion, everything works perfectly, the case will blow right back out of the chamber.
The tip-up Berettas, .22, .32, and .380 do not have extractors and they SHOOT just fine.
But a tactician will point out that they have no way to unload a live round in case of misfire or just ULSC.

[UNM1136]

Yes, when upon occasion, everything works perfectly, the case will blow right back out of the chamber.
The tip-up Berettas, .22, .32, and .380 do not have extractors and they SHOOT just fine.
But a tactician will point out that they have no way to unload a live round in case of misfire or just ULSC.

You are right, of course, tactically. As a BUG or in the Mrs. hands the only unloading I am concerned about is through the muzzle....

pat

[Ben_G]

Launch edition guns are going to be one time limited quantity runs. Now, depending on production delivery schedule they might show up on the market in one or two surges, but its still a limited item. There will be additional colors of the 80X available throughout the year, but the bronze is done on the factory side.

For RDO plates; the main issue we're seeing is on EPS carry optics. It turns out the EPS Carry line can have a thinner deck height than the drawing spec on the 407K (which is what Beretta design and validated with), meaning the screws can bottom out on the slide and prevent the optic from being fully secured to the plate. If you then shoot that setup, the play in the optic fit will cause it to slam around and generally not go well. We're making new custom screws with thread lock patches per Beretta Italy's specs, but in the meantime, it is possible to file down the current screws to resolve this. I'm obliged to recommend this is performed by a trained and qualified gunsmith. But it should be 0.5-0.75mm of material removal IIRC to get those thinner optics to fit up properly.

In general, dealing with evolving third party patterns and shifting standards is a nightmare when it comes to RDOs.

[R_Shackleford]

Launch edition guns are going to be one time limited quantity runs. Now, depending on production delivery schedule they might show up on the market in one or two surges, but its still a limited item. There will be additional colors of the 80X available throughout the year, but the bronze is done on the factory side.

For RDO plates; the main issue we're seeing is on EPS carry optics. It turns out the EPS Carry line can have a thinner deck height than the drawing spec on the 407K (which is what Beretta design and validated with), meaning the screws can bottom out on the slide and prevent the optic from being fully secured to the plate. If you then shoot that setup, the play in the optic fit will cause it to slam around and generally not go well. We're making new custom screws with thread lock patches per Beretta Italy's specs, but in the meantime, it is possible to file down the current screws to resolve this. I'm obliged to recommend this is performed by a trained and qualified gunsmith. But it should be 0.5-0.75mm of material removal IIRC to get those thinner optics to fit up properly.

In general, dealing with evolving third party patterns and shifting standards is a nightmare when it comes to RDOs.
See post #243 and a few after that. The screw length is not the only issue and it does not only apply to the EPS carry. The screws are much too small in diameter as well. More importantly, the little recoil lugs are not the same shape as the holes in the optic so it doesnt fit onto the plate properly. I tried it with a holosun 507K as well and have the same issue.

[GyroF-16]

Just found that LOK has wrap-around G10 grips with an arched backstrap shape like the B81.
Just ordered some for my wife’s 80X.

https://lokgrips.com/beretta-pistol-grips/beretta-80x/beretta-80x-veloce-wraparound/




Dear Beretta,

I like the arched mainspring housing (backstrap, whatever we're calling it today). It fits me and works well. The curve also matches the rest of the gun. Please knock it off with the flat bullshit.

I do not care about anyone else.


Warmest Regards,
SCCY

[GyroF-16]

For the good of the Order:

https://berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=86229

A report from 2012 on the compatibility of Beretta 81 (.32 ACP) barrel in a Beretta 84 (.380 ACP) gun.

Apparently you need the correct double stack mag for caliber.
I’ve tested the fit by putting an 81 barrel in an 80X and cycling dummy rounds through it.

Also a report on that forum that Allegheny Arms has threaded 81 (.32 ACP) barrels for sale.

I’ll put testing the 81 barrel in the 80X on my “to do” list…. After testing and chrono-ing various .380 loads, including some of my hand loads built for reduced recoil and some high-vel HP loads.
I also have a RDO plate on the way from Beretta, as well as a Holosun HS407K from Amazon.
Placed that order before seeing the report from R_Shackleford re: Beretta RDO plates for another RDS. I’m hoping I have a better result, otherwise I’ve wasted some money.

Quoting myself to update…
I’ve validated that the .32 ACP barrel from the Beretta 81 works in the 80X. Ran like a champ for several hundred rounds.
I now have one of the Allegheny Arms threaded .32 ACP barrels installed in the 80X, and that’s the next thing to validate functionality with after the holidays. Probably along with the LOK wrap-around grips that appear to replicate the old arched-backstrap design of the 81 that my wife prefers.

Oh, and the Holosun HS407K is working well on the RDO plate from Beretta so far. (300 rds with the RDS installed).

[GyroF-16]

Quoting myself to update…
I’ve validated that the .32 ACP barrel from the Beretta 81 works in the 80X. Ran like a champ for several hundred rounds.
I now have one of the Allegheny Arms threaded .32 ACP barrels installed in the 80X, and that’s the next thing to validate functionality with after the holidays. Probably along with the LOK wrap-around grips that appear to replicate the old arched-backstrap design of the 81 that my wife prefers.

Oh, and the Holosun HS407K is working well on the RDO plate from Beretta so far. (300 rds with the RDS installed).

Quoting myself again to update…

Successful testing of the Allegheny Arms threaded .32 ACP barrel in the 80X. Put 99 rds through it today essentially without incident.
The 4.5” threaded barrel is only a bit longer than the OEM, but gave a 6-12% increase in average velocity with various loads.
I shot 71 gr FMJ reloads through it, as well as a few factory Hornady 60 gr XTP. Of note, the XTP went from 983 fps in the stock-length 3.9” barrel to 1055 fps in the new 4.5” barrel. That gives some nice energy and likely increased penetration for that load.

The only minor hiccup was the initial loading of the Hornady XTP. Loading from slidelock, the first round was too nose-low and hung up on the feed ramp. I locked the slide back again and pulled the mag… turns out I’d induced some rim lock when loading the mag - the top round was too nose-low and the next round didn’t really advance properly when I pulled the top one off. After forcefully removing the next round and unloading the next few, I reloaded them all properly. Bottom line- as long as everything’s loaded properly (as evidenced by the top round being appropriately nose-up), everything works fine. After that initial issue, every XTP round fed fine, so the HP shape was not the issue.

FWIW - the new barrel + RDS + my reloads yielded 1.25-1.5” groups at 10 yds. I’m pretty pleased with the accuracy potential, given this gun’s mission.

[Noah]

Quoting myself again to update…

Successful testing of the Allegheny Arms threaded .32 ACP barrel in the 80X. Put 99 rds through it today essentially without incident.
The 4.5” threaded barrel is only a bit longer than the OEM, but gave a 6-12% increase in average velocity with various loads.
I shot 71 gr FMJ reloads through it, as well as a few factory Hornady 60 gr XTP. Of note, the XTP went from 983 fps in the stock-length 3.9” barrel to 1055 fps in the new 4.5” barrel. That gives some nice energy and likely increased penetration for that load.

The only minor hiccup was the initial loading of the Hornady XTP. Loading from slidelock, the first round was too nose-low and hung up on the feed ramp. I locked the slide back again and pulled the mag… turns out I’d induced some rim lock when loading the mag - the top round was too nose-low and the next round didn’t really advance properly when I pulled the top one off. After forcefully removing the next round and unloading the next few, I reloaded them all properly. Bottom line- as long as everything’s loaded properly (as evidenced by the top round being appropriately nose-up), everything works fine. After that initial issue, every XTP round fed fine, so the HP shape was not the issue.

FWIW - the new barrel + RDS + my reloads yielded 1.25-1.5” groups at 10 yds. I’m pretty pleased with the accuracy potential, given this gun’s mission.

How does the recoil compare?

[GyroF-16]

How does the recoil compare?

I didn’t shoot the 4.5” barrel back-to-back with the stock-length 3.9” .32 AUTO barrel, so I can’t say for certain, but I didn’t notice any increased recoil. It’s more than a .22 LR, but not much.

Or, if you mean compared to the original B80X .380 barrel - there’s really no comparison- while the .380 isn’t sharp (except with +P Underwood 90 gr rounds), the .32 is very mild and pleasant to shoot, even with the “hotter” loads.

[Up1911Fan]

Just checking in to see if Ben_G has any updates that can be shared on 32 version?

[Ben_G]

Just checking in to see if Ben_G has any updates that can be shared on 32 version?

Not really. It is generally something we have mentioned at tradeshows that we'd like to expand the 80X lineup into with either a barrel or top end swap. I'll note that caliber has international demand outside of the US market, which is good because the US market doesn't pull enough weight on .32 to justify it by ourselves right now.

I have no ETA there though, and any development resources to that caliber will hinge on ammo availability and the performance of other guns in that cal.

[Up1911Fan]

Not really. It is generally something we have mentioned at tradeshows that we'd like to expand the 80X lineup into with either a barrel or top end swap. I'll note that caliber has international demand outside of the US market, which is good because the US market doesn't pull enough weight on .32 to justify it by ourselves right now.

I have no ETA there though, and any development resources to that caliber will hinge on ammo availability and the performance of other guns in that cal.

A barrel or top end swap would be a great option. I'm looking at this in 32 as a great step up from a rimfire for teaching my kids to shoot in a few years.

[Ben_G]

A barrel or top end swap would be a great option. I'm looking at this in 32 as a great step up from a rimfire for teaching my kids to shoot in a few years.

That'd be a great use case for that kind of setup.

[Screwball]

https://alleghenyarms.com/product/beretta-barrel-32acp/

If you don’t mind the threads. Check with them, I think they had runs of standard length and extended/non-threaded.

[Up1911Fan]

https://alleghenyarms.com/product/beretta-barrel-32acp/

If you don’t mind the threads. Check with them, I think they had runs of standard length and extended/non-threaded.

I believe it was mentioned that the 80X barrel was redesigned. I'm not convinced a drop in barrel for the originals is a good idea.

[Screwball]

I believe it was mentioned that the 80X barrel was redesigned. I'm not convinced a drop in barrel for the originals is a good idea.

From the listing…


Fits all Beretta 80x/81/82/83/84/85, Browning BDA 380, Tisas Fatih pistols.

[Up1911Fan]

From the listing…

Yeah I saw that too. Be cool if it works longterm.

[Ben_G]

AGW has shot that barrel in an 80X, and he gave us one here that is in the queue for validation testing. I've got it from Beretta Italy that old style barrels are technically compatible, but haven't been validated.

Validation testing covers reliability and durability via destructive testing.

So, I wouldn't carry it unless someone has put a ton of rounds through that barrel to verify, and I'd personally be careful about range use with spicy ammo until we run a plugged bore test (mostly because I've recently seen what happens when you run the wrong steel in a 92 barrel and plug bore test it). Also, using that would technically invalidate a warranty. Those caveats aside, it should fit and function, though I can't grantee to what degree.

[RevolverRob]

AGW has shot that barrel in an 80X, and he gave us one here that is in the queue for validation testing. I've got it from Beretta Italy that old style barrels are technically compatible, but haven't been validated.

Validation testing covers reliability and durability via destructive testing.

So, I wouldn't carry it unless someone has put a ton of rounds through that barrel to verify, and I'd personally be careful about range use with spicy ammo until we run a plugged bore test (mostly because I've recently seen what happens when you run the wrong steel in a 92 barrel and plug bore test it). Also, using that would technically invalidate a warranty. Those caveats aside, it should fit and function, though I can't grantee to what degree.

Caveat: I know the answer to the following question is not definitive nor binding.

Hypothetical: If the barrel passes validation testing - would that have any bearing on warranty/service claims?

[Ben_G]

deleting duplicate

[Ben_G]

Caveat: I know the answer to the following question is not definitive nor binding.

Hypothetical: If the barrel passes validation testing - would that have any bearing on warranty/service claims?

Ehhh, unless we somehow start using him as a vendor for those, no, it wont. I'll just mean we can officially say we don't think using that barrel is dangerous.

With that being a Beretta Italy mfg gun, them owning the design, and it being a major safety critical item, there's a WHOLE mountain of reasons aftermarket barrels wont be covered under the factory warranty. Also keep in mind all the Italian barrels are gauged, and then run through a government proof house for certification. Barrels are not something we take lightly.

[RevolverRob]

Ehhh, unless we somehow start using him as a vendor for those, no, it wont. I'll just mean we can officially say we don't think using that barrel is dangerous.

Perfectly reasonable and the answer I expected. I would say the latter point is, potentially, the most important part to me.


With that being a Beretta Italy mfg gun, them owning the design, and it being a major safety critical item, there's a WHOLE mountain of reasons aftermarket barrels wont be covered under the factory warranty. Also keep in mind all the Italian barrels are gauged, and then run through a government proof house for certification. Barrels are not something we take lightly.

Europeans take things so seriously...On the one hand I appreciate it.

On the other...no EU country has been to the moon...;):rolleyes::eek: (This comment has absolutely no bearing on this conversation what so ever)

[GyroF-16]

I believe it was mentioned that the 80X barrel was redesigned. I'm not convinced a drop in barrel for the originals is a good idea.

FWIW-
Just checked my log, and we’ve got 303 rounds of .32 through my wife’s 80X w/ an 81 barrel, and 99 additional rds using the Allegheny threaded barrel. Zero malfunctions, and no noticeable wear on barrels, slide, or frame.
I know it’s not exhaustive or conclusive, but I’m very pleased with the combination so far, and my wife loves the way it shoots.

[Up1911Fan]

FWIW-
Just checked my log, and we’ve got 303 rounds of .32 through my wife’s 80X w/ an 81 barrel, and 99 additional rds using the Allegheny threaded barrel. Zero malfunctions, and no noticeable wear on barrels, slide, or frame.
I know it’s not exhaustive or conclusive, but I’m very pleased with the combination so far, and my wife loves the way it shoots.

Awesome. I don't know all the Beretta model numbers, refresh my memory on mags for the 32, Model 81?

[GyroF-16]

Awesome. I don't know all the Beretta model numbers, refresh my memory on mags for the 32, Model 81?

They’re double stack, very similar to the .380 mags for the 84 and 80X.

Allegheny had some for sale, and I got one when I ordered the barrel to supplement the 4 81 magazines in already had.

https://alleghenyarms.com/product/beretta-81-12-round-magazine/
But looks like they sold out.

Earlier, I got two of the 4 from Beretta USA

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/product/beretta-81-81b-81bb-81f-81fs-magazine--32-auto-12-round-C85888

[LHS]

I want a .32 80x as much as if not more than anyone, but I wouldn't trust AGW to not screw it (and my gun) up... again.

[GyroF-16]

I want a .32 80x as much as if not more than anyone, but I wouldn't trust AGW to not screw it (and my gun) up... again.

That’s interesting…. I’ve dealt with AGW periodically over the past 10 years for night sights, Cerakoting, and assorted small parts (safeties, speed bump triggers, “dog bone” roll pin replacements for hammer spring housing, etc). Never had a bad experience with service or products.

Care to share what we should watch out for?

I’m not defending the business, nor asking you to run them down.
But I would be interested to know what the problem areas were.

[LHS]

That’s interesting…. I’ve dealt with AGW periodically over the past 10 years for night sights, Cerakoting, and assorted small parts (safeties, speed bump triggers, “dog bone” roll pin replacements for hammer spring housing, etc). Never had a bad experience with service or products.

Care to share what we should watch out for?

I’m not defending the business, nor asking you to run them down.
But I would be interested to know what the problem areas were.

Back about 10 years ago, before Ernest restarted LTT and Wilson was doing 92 work, he was the only game in town and came well recommended. I paid him to convert my .22 conversion kit to G, and he borked it up twice and was absolutely awful to communicate with. I had to literally drive up to Pittsburgh to try and get my slide back. I eventually did get an unmolested replacement conversion kit and my money back, but it was like pulling teeth and I take offense to someone ducking me rather than admitting they screwed up, and then telling me that the work's fine when Ray Charles could see it was fucked up like a football bat.

So needless to say, I wouldn't give that guy the steam of my piss if he were on fire.

[LHS]

To clarify, when I finally (months after the quoted lead time) got the slide back, the safety/decocker lever would get stuck in the 'safe' position because the detent spring hole was drilled off-center. When I pointed this out, his reply was that "Oh, I never fully depress the decocker so I didn't notice it". Then he sent me a new slide with what he swore was good work, but it had the exact same problem (hell it may have been the same slide, for all I know). At that point, he knew the issue with the prior one, and he knew I knew, but he sent me the same garbage and expected me to believe it was fine. I found that rather insulting.

All he had to do was be honest with me. If he'd said up front that he'd drilled the initial hole wrong, and had to re-weld/re-drill or whatever, I'd have been "OK, that sucks, but this is a one-off and there will inevitably be some teething issues". But no, he had to duck and dodge and lie about it, which puts him squarely in my NFE list.

[GyroF-16]

To clarify, when I finally (months after the quoted lead time) got the slide back, the safety/decocker lever would get stuck in the 'safe' position because the detent spring hole was drilled off-center. When I pointed this out, his reply was that "Oh, I never fully depress the decocker so I didn't notice it". Then he sent me a new slide with what he swore was good work, but it had the exact same problem (hell it may have been the same slide, for all I know). At that point, he knew the issue with the prior one, and he knew I knew, but he sent me the same garbage and expected me to believe it was fine. I found that rather insulting.

All he had to do was be honest with me. If he'd said up front that he'd drilled the initial hole wrong, and had to re-weld/re-drill or whatever, I'd have been "OK, that sucks, but this is a one-off and there will inevitably be some teething issues". But no, he had to duck and dodge and lie about it, which puts him squarely in my NFE list.

I don’t blame you at all.

[Just_a_question]

Quoting myself again to update…

Successful testing of the Allegheny Arms threaded .32 ACP barrel in the 80X. Put 99 rds through it today essentially without incident.
The 4.5” threaded barrel is only a bit longer than the OEM, but gave a 6-12% increase in average velocity with various loads.
I shot 71 gr FMJ reloads through it, as well as a few factory Hornady 60 gr XTP. Of note, the XTP went from 983 fps in the stock-length 3.9” barrel to 1055 fps in the new 4.5” barrel. That gives some nice energy and likely increased penetration for that load.

The only minor hiccup was the initial loading of the Hornady XTP. Loading from slidelock, the first round was too nose-low and hung up on the feed ramp. I locked the slide back again and pulled the mag… turns out I’d induced some rim lock when loading the mag - the top round was too nose-low and the next round didn’t really advance properly when I pulled the top one off. After forcefully removing the next round and unloading the next few, I reloaded them all properly. Bottom line- as long as everything’s loaded properly (as evidenced by the top round being appropriately nose-up), everything works fine. After that initial issue, every XTP round fed fine, so the HP shape was not the issue.

FWIW - the new barrel + RDS + my reloads yielded 1.25-1.5” groups at 10 yds. I’m pretty pleased with the accuracy potential, given this gun’s mission.

I'm assuming since it's not mentioned, that there isn't any issue with recoil springs using a 32 acp barrel in place of 380. Subsequently, a dpm recoil system for the cheetah 80x could further be utilized (for possibly even less recoil, if even possible)?

[fatdog]

For anybody who is a fan of the old Cheetah, PSA apparently has a barrel full of Italian Police Trade in's that were factory refurbished.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/beretta-model-84-bb-3-8-13rd-380acp-pistol-le-trade-in-excellent-condition-a5636000000000.html

[slimpickens]

My 80x is fine in most ways, but SA pull is heavier than I’d like — 5 1/2 lb or so. Any spring changes available, or other mods? I’d like to get down to four pounds or less…. Thx

[evi1joe]

I can't believe it's been over a year and there are still no after market sights. I'm kinda surprised because the OEMs leave a LOT to be desired.

I have been running mine solely as a 32ACP gun (since all my 380 is going to the Bodyguard 2.0), and have never had an issue other than one brand of ammo (either S&B, Fiocchi, or Magtech) throwing major chunks of burning powder back at my face now and then--I didn't think much of it until I reviewed range footage.

I've seen a few people on FB who ported their 380 barrel, and I really want to do that just for fun--and to counteract the little bit of extra recoil/muzzle-rise from being direct blowback. Of course, with 32ACP, this isn't an issue in any way.

[Up1911Fan]

I can't believe it's been over a year and there are still no after market sights. I'm kinda surprised because the OEMs leave a LOT to be desired.

I have been running mine solely as a 32ACP gun (since all my 380 is going to the Bodyguard 2.0), and have never had an issue other than one brand of ammo (either S&B, Fiocchi, or Magtech) throwing major chunks of burning powder back at my face now and then--I didn't think much of it until I reviewed range footage.

I've seen a few people on FB who ported their 380 barrel, and I really want to do that just for fun--and to counteract the little bit of extra recoil/muzzle-rise from being direct blowback. Of course, with 32ACP, this isn't an issue in any way.
What barrel and mags are you using?

[Mafdet]

I see that Beretta offers a few different weights now: 12 (https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/c5q856), 16 is default? (https://estore.beretta.com/en-be/product/16lb-recoil-spring-for-80x-C5Q856), and 18 (https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/c5q855). What would be the pros / cons of running different weights in this particular gun?
DPM Reductions offers a rather expensive kit that is 20 pounds but seems interesting: https://zahal.org/product/dpm-for-beretta-80x-cheetah/. Has anyone tried this system? Seems rather expensive to replace when it inevitably wears out.

I am also interested in a 32 acp barrel setup.

[Schlafftablett]

Matt,
I've seen and heard about you shit talking me about this quite a few times over the years and never bothered to say anything until now. You're right to be upset with the work you received as I certainly didn't deliver as promised. Its obviously your prerogative to post whatever and where ever you'd like talking about what happened but you should tell the whole story correctly especially if you're going to imply that I stole from you.

The .22 conversion kit you sent for a milled-in G conversion and barrel threading required the right detent hole to be plugged and re-drilled the same way we did all of the standard slides. Because yours was aluminum and not anodized inside the hole though, the plunger and spring would get sticky when pushed all the way down. I noticed it but after running it a bunch it seemed to be working itself out especially if you didn't push it all the way to the stop and since it was way over due, I shipped it. As you found, though, it would still stick and you sent it back. That was a justifiable complaint. I shouldn't have sent it and I appreciated your willingness at the time to make it right. As that slide ended up being a total loss I took my personal, new in box kit and changed the hole angle, modified the plunger and got it working in a way that didn't stick. The issue with that slide was that I failed to remove the detent notch on the left side of the slide which, when the lever was fully depressed would stay down because of the altered geometry of the right side plunger. I didn't notice it because I was testing it without all of the internals installed to make it easier to tweak if necessary. It was a simple but stupid mistake I overlooked in the interest of getting it back out to you. Even if you discount the fact that there is no need to go past the release point (about 3/4 through the rotation), it could have been fixed by simply removing the un-needed left side plunger, or milling the detent away. I told you as much and offered to fix it. You chose to return the entire assembly and demand an unmolested replacement slide and barrel which I provided as well as returning all of your money.

Points to consider....
-I was absolutely well overdue in getting the original parts back to you. I can't remember how long since it was damn near a decade ago but I know the initial return was probably 2-3 months past the quoted time. This was due to a combination of a LOT of personal issues going on at that time with a divorce and custody thing, being buried in work, and dealing with a subcontractor who stole several grand in customer parts from me I was trying to replace. None of that was your problem or frankly your business but it was a huge reason for the initial and continued delays.
-You said "I had to literally drive up to Pittsburgh to try and get my slide back". That never happened and to the best of my knowledge/recollection, I've never met you in person ever. I know I met your dad at SHOT once but ALL of yours and my dealings were via phone or email.
-I lost at least a couple hundred bucks out of pocket plus the lost time in doing two G conversions in order to make you whole when I could least afford it.
-I should have handled the whole thing better at the time but I used it as a learning experience and as we've grown, tried to do better at communication and still commit, in the rare instance we damage a customer's property, to making them whole.
-After it was all said and done, you were out nothing other than not being able to shoot a .22 conversion for a few months. A major inconvenience that is certainly justifies saying "I wouldn't give that guy the steam of my piss if he were on fire".

[LHS]

Matt,
I've seen and heard about you shit talking me about this quite a few times over the years and never bothered to say anything until now. You're right to be upset with the work you received as I certainly didn't deliver as promised. Its obviously your prerogative to post whatever and where ever you'd like talking about what happened but you should tell the whole story correctly especially if you're going to imply that I stole from you.

The .22 conversion kit you sent for a milled-in G conversion and barrel threading required the right detent hole to be plugged and re-drilled the same way we did all of the standard slides. Because yours was aluminum and not anodized inside the hole though, the plunger and spring would get sticky when pushed all the way down. I noticed it but after running it a bunch it seemed to be working itself out especially if you didn't push it all the way to the stop and since it was way over due, I shipped it. As you found, though, it would still stick and you sent it back. That was a justifiable complaint. I shouldn't have sent it and I appreciated your willingness at the time to make it right. As that slide ended up being a total loss I took my personal, new in box kit and changed the hole angle, modified the plunger and got it working in a way that didn't stick. The issue with that slide was that I failed to remove the detent notch on the left side of the slide which, when the lever was fully depressed would stay down because of the altered geometry of the right side plunger. I didn't notice it because I was testing it without all of the internals installed to make it easier to tweak if necessary. It was a simple but stupid mistake I overlooked in the interest of getting it back out to you. Even if you discount the fact that there is no need to go past the release point (about 3/4 through the rotation), it could have been fixed by simply removing the un-needed left side plunger, or milling the detent away. I told you as much and offered to fix it. You chose to return the entire assembly and demand an unmolested replacement slide and barrel which I provided as well as returning all of your money.

Points to consider....
-I was absolutely well overdue in getting the original parts back to you. I can't remember how long since it was damn near a decade ago but I know the initial return was probably 2-3 months past the quoted time. This was due to a combination of a LOT of personal issues going on at that time with a divorce and custody thing, being buried in work, and dealing with a subcontractor who stole several grand in customer parts from me I was trying to replace. None of that was your problem or frankly your business but it was a huge reason for the initial and continued delays.
-You said "I had to literally drive up to Pittsburgh to try and get my slide back". That never happened and to the best of my knowledge/recollection, I've never met you in person ever. I know I met your dad at SHOT once but ALL of yours and my dealings were via phone or email.
-I lost at least a couple hundred bucks out of pocket plus the lost time in doing two G conversions in order to make you whole when I could least afford it.
-I should have handled the whole thing better at the time but I used it as a learning experience and as we've grown, tried to do better at communication and still commit, in the rare instance we damage a customer's property, to making them whole.
-After it was all said and done, you were out nothing other than not being able to shoot a .22 conversion for a few months. A major inconvenience that is certainly justifies saying "I wouldn't give that guy the steam of my piss if he were on fire".

Let me address these points and then I'm done with you.

1. As you said, this was more than a decade ago, so I'm going by memory and what notes/emails I still have from the interaction.
2. I don't recall ever hearing about any of your personal issues at the time, and you are correct that they were neither my business nor my problem. All I knew was that I'd been very patient and understanding and then it became very very difficult to get ahold of you. Comms essentially ceased.
3. I did in fact drive up to Pittsburgh with a friend of mine shortly before Thanksgiving to eat at a Brazilian steakhouse (something I enjoy doing whenever I'm home visiting my folks in WV), and called to say I was on my way up and try to arrange a meet since I was going to be in town. That actually prompted a return call and you were oh so excited to show me your shop and the progress you'd made on the slide. As we got closer to P-burgh, however, you called back and said you were pressed for time and couldn't meet, but you'd send my slide and barrel along soon. So you are correct, we have never met in person, but not for lack of my trying at the time.
4. I do not recall you ever explaining what was incorrect with the mechanical operation of the G-mod other than that a subcontractor had drilled the plunger hole wrong on my original slide and that you were working to get it fixed, and that took a lot of effort to get out of you.
5. You did in fact replace the ruined parts with new ones, and returned my money (and as I recall even sent $5 to cover shipping the defective parts back to you at the end), as I stated earlier. What pissed me off was that you sent me clearly defective work AFTER making the initial mistake, when it should have been a no-brainer to make sure it worked before shipping it. It was an insult to assume I wouldn't notice the failure and would just go away, and that is what irks me to this day. After that, why on earth would I want to continue to waste my time and risk my property and funds? And while I haven't blasted my dissatisfaction from the rooftops proactively, I have also not shied away from relating my issues with you and your work when it comes up in conversation. You kept me in the dark, sent me clearly and obviously non-functional work and offered lame excuses that I found insulting.

[Clusterfrack]

Let’s take this issue offline.

[Noah]

https://youtu.be/EhNqRPbv6fM?si=B1nekcpT2I-bbPpw